Why Rugby League is crap

[plague]

One soccer flare will put this little drugs thing to bed

To be fair a bit of coke never killed anyone, unlike flares.

[Nou Camp]

seriously how is greg bird even still gainfully employed (in any job let alone rugby league)
has got to be the dumbest professional (if you could call him that) sports person walking around

[MFKS]

seriously how is greg bird even still gainfully employed (in any job let alone rugby league)
has got to be the dumbest professional (if you could call him that) sports person walking around

Its Rugby League FFS

They display their IQ level on the back of their jumpers

[lquiquer]

Its Rugby League FFS

They display their IQ level on the back of their jumpers

So the lock is the brightest?... Isn't it Bird's position at the Titsns???...:lol:

[belchardo]

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/rugby-league/gold-coast-titans/nrl-takes-control-of-gold-coast-titans-in-wake-of-drug-scandal-20150224-13n2mp.html

right, all we need to do is get a few blokes busted for cocaine supply. I nominate Stubbins.

[Grimario]

Titans into administration, NRL takes over.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-lL88DUIAAlRnh.jpg

[MFKS]

NRL Showing the FFA up again

[MFKS]

More bad press for the druggos

Gold Coast apparently covered up 5 positive drug tests in 2007

Ohh my:grin:

[Jetmaster]

Seagulls, Giants, Titans and GCU.....they have as bad a record as Newy with sporting teams.

Just shows all the wealth up there is foreign and the locals are plastic.

[Jeterpool]

Seagulls, Giants, Titans and GCU.....they have as bad a record as Newy with sporting teams.

Just shows all the wealth up there is foreign and the locals are plastic.

Probably in more ways than one

[MFKS]

Former Gold Coast player Ashley Harrison now charged.

Hole keeps getting bigger

[hawk]

Canterbury centre Jacob Loko and Manly winger Jorge Taufua reportedly traded blows on a footpath in Sydney's CBD on Saturday night.

cunnava sport attracts people that are plum Loko

[Bon]

cunnava sport attracts people that are plum Loko

The video footage on the news was hilarious..

[belchardo]

The NRL's integrity unit is on standby to investigate claims of an alleged incident between Dane Nielsen and a female patron at a popular Cronulla nightspot.


The woman has made a complaint to Nielsen's club St George Illawarra claiming Nielsen bit her on the leg. At this stage any incident is not under police investigation.



http://www.canberratimes.com.au/rugby-league/st-george-illawarra-dragons/st-george-illawarra-dragons-centre-dane-nielsen-accused-of-biting-woman-in-nightclub-incident-20150325-1m74lz.html

another day, another "incident"

[Bon]

Bit her on the leg? hahahaha..
How does one even go about doing that discretely??

[Jetmaster]

Last night..

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-04/nrl-fans-charged-over-violence-at-bulldogs-rabbitohs-gf-rematch/6370696

Thugball fans say it's just a couple of boys with a few beers too many and justified "cuz the ref was a softcock".

If it was football.....

[Tommyjet]

Scummy sport just keeps shooting itself in the foot. Pathetically dumb breed of people.

[hawk]

Scummy sport just keeps shooting itself in the foot. Pathetically dumb breed of people.

thug hits thug so why the penalty? just play on with no refs.

[MFKS]

I like how some dumb ****s in the press started calling it just like English Soccer

Now I don't watch a lot of EPL but can anyone care to enlighten me when that happens cause I must miss it???


Be hilarious if someone tied up to the financial behemoth that is the EPL issued a slander suit against these cave men neathandrels with NFI about anything outside their insular view of the world and showed them how insignificant this peasants sport actually is

[plague]

I like how some dumb ****s in the press started calling it just like English Soccer

Now I don't watch a lot of EPL but can anyone care to enlighten me when that happens cause I must miss it???


Be hilarious if someone tied up to the financial behemoth that is the EPL issued a slander suit against these cave men neathandrels with NFI about anything outside their insular view of the world and showed them how insignificant this peasants sport actually is

Yeah yer right mate.
I can't think of a time the crowd threw anything at players or officials in the EPL.
Nope.
Never.
Ever.
Like choirboys those crowds are.
Once again da meediah picking on our little sport.

[lquiquer]

A
Yeah yer right mate.
I can't think of a time the crowd threw anything at players or officials in the EPL.
Nope.
Never.
Ever.
Like choirboys those crowds are.
Once again da meediah picking on our little sport.

Yeah..... Only players throw themselves at the crowd there... Remember Eric?

[hawk]

Yeah yer right mate.
I can't think of a time the crowd threw anything at players or officials in the EPL.
Nope.
Never.
Ever.
Like choirboys those crowds are.
Once again da meediah picking on our little sport.

wow 1st time Ive ever heard league fans called hooligans. we cant have this

[plague]

wow 1st time Ive ever heard league fans called hooligans. we cant have this

nah, couple of bad apples.
Bound to happen.
Majority of fans are top notch.
Mums and dads.
Working class etc etc.

[hawk]

Willis Meehan has been stood down by the Roosters after he was charged with headbutting a man and stealing his watch near The Star casino in the early hours of Sunday.
Police said Meehan, 19 and Jovano Faingaanuku, 26, allegedly forced a victim against a wall on Union Street, Pyrmont about 2.30am.
Meehan allegedly headbutted the man and Faingaanuku then stole his silver wristwatch. The incident was allegedly captured on security footage.
"The watch owner was treated for superficial injuries to his face," police said.
City Central police arrested the men and took them to Newtown police station

Oops just another asshole lone wolf. That makes about 300 lone wolves. Sport is perfectly not a crim bogan sport.

[hawk]

so the girl beaters lose 2 games a does the herald rip in? nope, kiss ass instead.


Kurt Gidley staying upbeat despite repeat losses

[hawk]

One of Sydney's premier junior rugby league competitions has threatened to disqualify all of its clubs after a spate of violent and abusive incidents involving police, players, parents, officials and spectators – some of whom were wielding makeshift weapons.

Seven weeks into the season, the Sydney Combined Competition (SCC) has been rocked by the violence that has lingered long after the final whistle.

NSW Rugby League general manager of Football Barrie-Jon Mather said that following several "unsavoury" incidents, the competition's management committee had issued a "final warning" to more than 60 junior clubs.

#letsgrowthegame :blush:

[Premy]

#letsgrowthegame :blush:
But, but, but Sokkah Hooliganz

[Grimario]

I don't really follow league but for some reason that has left me with a furrowed brow and pulling my hair out, I'm really hoping the Raiders win this weekend.

[Jetmaster]

Call our game for poofters and they have some dude called "Cherry" playing!

[Premy]

I don't really follow league but for some reason that has left me with a furrowed brow and pulling my hair out, I'm really hoping the Raiders win this weekend.
A certain pool experts forehead would hedge bets against you it seems.

[MFKS]

A certain pool experts forehead would hedge bets against you it seems.

Believe a certain pool expert is about to lose some hair


Like all of it.

Can't wait to see the photos.:rof:

[Grimario]

Believe a certain pool expert is about to lose some hair


Like all of it.

Can't wait to see the photos.:rof:

Amazing. I'll have to keep an eye brow on Facebook for it.

[Superdylan]

Yep the hair is gone

Useless Newcastle hahaha. Luckily the eels have the spoon virtually wrapped up now.

[Jetmaster]

Remember the Herald poll earlier in the season - "will the Knights finish the season undefeated?"

:rof:

[Retro Jet]

Saw this vid come up on the missus' BookFace from a 'friend'.
Thought of the grubs that play this sh!t game...
Should be compulsory viewing before they sign a contract with every club.

https://vimeo.com/126553913

[leftrightout]

The minute silence before kick off for Ron Clarke was disgraceful. NRL will be hugely embarrassed with the amount of bogans yelling shit, but what can you expect with their fans!

[belchardo]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-26/nrl-andrew-fifita-accused-of-threatening-referee-at-junior-match/6648528

classy guys. two Cronulla players abuse and threaten junior referees. NRL should put life bans on them to make a point. anybody that has a go at a junior referee (in any sport) is a grub of the lowest order.

[Jetmaster]

Will be playing next week and all forgotten...NRL appear to enjoy this sort of publicity.

[belchardo]

They played this afternoon I think.

[hawk]

Andrew Fifita tells junior rugby league referee: ‘I’ll smash you’
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/andrew-fifita-tells-junior-rugby-league-referee-ill-smash-you/story-fni3fbgz-1227456988701

the bogan bullies love it

[Jetmaster]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-07/nrl-gets-tough-on-shoulder-charge-introducing-automatic-suspens/6680764

This is no longer the game I used to avidly follow - there wasn't anything wrong with a fair shoulder charge for over 100 years.

Perhaps if these fools went back to the basics and stopped roided up musclemen getting so large it would not be so dangerous - or perhaps don the NFL protection.

[q-money]

there has to be a limit. blindside shoulder charges, with no hands just aren't a tackle, it's borderline assault.

i can see why people are fuming about the evans/kasiano one, as it's big man on big man and front on - exactly what everyone expects in rugby league

it's when the same fellas pull these stunts on little blokes, i.e. halfbacks and five's after kicks, unsighted players & being the high second man where it has to be banned.

as an aside - evans still would have smashed kasiano i reckon if he kept his right arm out and took him in the chest - kasiano was always looking for that big forearm fend

[The Dunster]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-07/nrl-gets-tough-on-shoulder-charge-introducing-automatic-suspens/6680764

This is no longer the game I used to avidly follow - there wasn't anything wrong with a fair shoulder charge for over 100 years.

Perhaps if these fools went back to the basics and stopped roided up musclemen getting so large it would not be so dangerous - or perhaps don the NFL protection.

The interchange doesn't help either. Before the interchange rule the big blokes had to conserve energy to get through the 80 mins. The massive units running around these days are often used in short bursts and as such are pretty much always going at full intensity. Obviously there are always exceptions.

They should piss the interchange garbage off which would slow the game down enough to give the smaller blokes a better chance.

[plague]

The interchange doesn't help either. Before the interchange rule the big blokes had to conserve energy to get through the 80 mins. The massive units running around these days are often used in short bursts and as such are pretty much always going at full intensity. Obviously there are always exceptions.

They should piss the interchange garbage off which would slow the game down enough to give the smaller blokes a better chance.

Don't forget going from a 5m to a 10m rule which gave these same monsters a bigger run up.

[hawk]

blindside shoulder charges, with no hands just aren't a tackle, it's borderline assault.



game was built on this shit. dry the eyes and keep cheering for blood like every other yr.

[Jetmaster]

Still think we're all becoming princesses. Last year an EPL ref watched the 1970 FA Cup Final and said he would have issued 16 yellow cards and 6 reds. It was tough but there were no major injuries....the inherent toughness in rugby league that made it appealing has gone.

[The Dunster]

Don't forget going from a 5m to a 10m rule which gave these same monsters a bigger run up.

Yep. When you add that to the equation it's a recipe for disaster.

[plague]

Yep. When you add that to the equation it's a recipe for disaster.

yeah there was a study done and it said something like the impact of a shoulder charge was twice as strong as a regular tackle*

The NFL is a prime example of chickens coming home to roost for the lack of safety of their players.
NRL are really only acting to save some cash on the lawsuits, but if they prevent a few blokes going crazy and killing themselves then thats a bonus i guess.




*paraphrasing but yeah it was more

[pv4]

Toronto local, former Scorps player, current Goannas player Jared Edwards got a 12 game suspension for this challenge which has led to a serious injury for the player he did it to in the Newy RL comp:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYIYOoAApmQ

What do we reckon - is 12 weeks enough?

From The Herald (http://bit.ly/4kb77v)


CESSNOCK Goannas centre Jared Edwards has been banned for 12 matches after the Newcastle Rugby League judiciary ruled on Wednesday night that he intentionally injured Macquarie's Teason Fa'avae-Eli.

Edwards, pictured, received a 16-match ban, but it was reduced by four games for his guilty plea.

Fa'avae-Eli is out for the season with a torn medial ligament after the incident.

Footage from BarTV shows Edwards holding Fa'avae-Eli's right leg in a three-man tackle in the latter stages of the July 25 match and driving his shoulder into the knee.

The tackle was cited by the league and Edwards was charged with grade-five contrary conduct.

Edwards was not present at the judiciary due to personal issues, but Cessnock pleaded guilty on his behalf.

‘‘The concerning thing from the league’s perspective was the intent,’’ Newcastle Rugby League chief executive Matt Harris said.

‘‘I think that’s what the panel would have looked at as well.

‘‘The action wasn’t reckless or careless; it was intentional.’’

The 12-match suspension will be back-dated to include Cessnock’s win last Saturday against Souths.

Depending on how far the Goannas progress in the semi-final series, Edwards will not play football until midway through next season.

Macquarie president Kevin Maher presented his club’s case, which included the impact the injury has had on Fa’avae-Eli’s ability to work as a self-employed carpenter.

Maher was not prepared to comment whether he was satisfied with the outcome.

‘‘Our major reason for being there was to represent the interests of Teason and Scorps club,’’ Maher said.

‘‘I’m not in a position to say anything until I talk to Teason and the coaching staff and the rest of the club and see what their views are.’’

It is understood Macquarie are fuming over the length of the ban, believing it should have been longer.

Under the judiciary rules, there are no grounds to appeal against the perceived leniency.

Goannas president David Woodbury said his club was happy to have the issue resolved after it had dragged on for three weeks.

‘‘The good part now is it’s been put to bed and it’s not hanging over the side for the rest of the year,’’ Woodbury said.

‘‘We know what we’ve got going forward.’’

Edwards’ ban is the third longest in the past decade.

In 2011, Wests centre Steve Gordon copped a 13-week ban for verbally threatening referee Tom Aylett.

It was originally 20 matches but was reduced due to his previously unblemished record.

In 2005, South Newcastle prop Grant Coleman was banned for 14 matches after his fourth suspension for a high tackle.

[belchardo]

doesn't come much grubbier than that. screw how long he gets suspended for, when does he get charged with assault?

[GazFish35]

I'd be pressing charges.

what happens on the field stays on the field arguments are thrown out the mindow when someone intentially sets out to injure.

dog act.

[Jetmaster]

Piddling suspensions really, need to bring Jim Comans back from the grave - I agree, press assault charges.

[goaliepersempre]

What a joke, you can see at the start of the tackle he was trying to cause intent, swung an arm out at him...

and that, I just cringe... TOTAL ****

[pv4]

Another article from The Herald (http://bit.ly/4kb77v) on it, this time from the perspective of the victim who thinks something closer to 2 years would be more fitting. The guy is also hamstrung financially because of this incident, and is considering not playing again.

Also, the article mentions that Edwards, the guy who did the nasty act, was unable to face the judiciary because he was in police custody for other matters!


MACQUARIE centre Teason Fa’avae-Eli is outraged by the suspension given to Cessnock’s Jared Edwards and is considering quitting rugby league due to financial strain the injury has placed on his family.

Edwards, left, was banned for 12 games by the Newcastle Rugby League judiciary on Wednesday night when it ruled he intentionally injured Fa’avae-Eli in a tackle.

Edwards could not front the judiciary because he was in police custody in relation to a breach of parole conditions. His suspension was reduced from 16 matches to 12 after Cessnock pleaded guilty on Edwards’ behalf.

BarTV footage, above, shows Edwards hold and straighten Fa’avae-Eli’s right leg before driving his shoulder into the knee, snapping the medial ligament.

Since the July 25 incident, Fa’avae-Eli has had to wear a brace that locks his knee at a 40-degree angle while the ligament heals. The injury has prevented the 28-year-old self-employed carpenter from working.

‘‘If it was just an accident in the game, then fair enough,’’ Fa’avae-Eli said.

‘‘But if it’s deliberate, and it clearly shows it’s deliberate, you would think he’d get a two-year ban.

‘‘He’s gone out of his way to hurt someone, and that’s not in the spirit of the game.’’

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Fa’avae-Eli has had three weeks off work and is unlikely to return for another five weeks.

The father of two has income protection insurance, but it is not enough to cover his mortgage payments and he will have to redraw on the loan or borrow money from family.

The financial ramifications of the injury have caused him to consider his playing future.

‘‘I can’t afford to get this injured again,’’ he said.

‘‘It’s put a dampener on my family, too.

‘‘I’m self-employed, so I’m thinking of hanging my boots up because I can’t afford to get injured like this again. Even though it wasn’t really a football injury, if there’s people doing that sort of thing, I don’t want to put myself at risk.’’

Under the Country Rugby League’s insurance policy, players are covered for 80 per cent of their non-Medicare expenses and up to $300 a week for loss of income. The payments start after the player has been off work for 28 days and are capped at 52 weeks.

Fa’avae-Eli was in career-best form at the Scorpions and was man of the match in the game he was injured in.

The goal-kicking centre visited his Macquarie teammates on Thursday night as they prepared to face his former club, Souths, on Saturday.

Fa’avae-Eli said he would decide after the season is finished whether to continue. ‘‘It’s a tough decision. I’m still thinking about it,’’ he said. ‘‘If it heals 100 per cent, which hopefully it will, I’ll consider playing again.

‘‘But if it’s in the back of my mind when I’m training, I probably won’t play again. It’s not worth it.’’

[Premy]

So I listen to Big Sports Breakfast of a morning and Talk and Sport of an afternoon. The major content of both programs are largely made up with Handegg and it seems more and more the rusted on supporters are beginning to turn their back on the game.

Some big years are coming up for the future of this game.
They have just signed of a huge broadcast deal but they have so many issues to deal with.
Today it was basically people from the bush calling up saying that their clubs are dying and if nothing changes then many them will fade out like some already have.

Rusted on fans are sick of the constant rule changes and how the game is going soft.

The fan base is forever getting older and NRL are falling behind AFL and Football when it comes to engagement with the younger generation.

The NRL are saying they are cashed up now to take on the AFL but people at the grassroots are saying all that money is being spent at the top of the pyramid.

Thoughts on this from anyone else and what does the future hold for the NRL.

[Jetmaster]

I have no doubt that the three things that will kill off rugby league are:

- the rule changes and softening of the game, it has lost much of its character and if you don't watch it often is confusing.
- the demographic shift, the Knights are a prime example of what happens when the "nannas" and old boys start to fall off the perch.
- globalisation, still nobody cares outside NSW and Qld but still they don't get it. The SOO is NOT sports biggest rivalry, get over yourselves.

[GazFish35]

it's dying in the bush

massive drop out rate and 15-17yrs and eventualaly there'll be bugger all adults playing the game.

[q-money]

what's the hot ticket out in the bush, hayseed gav?

too much running in AFL, soccer's for poofs - what are they playing? tiddlywinks? smoking ice?

[plague]

I have no doubt that the three things that will kill off rugby league are:

- the rule changes and softening of the game, it has lost much of its character and if you don't watch it often is confusing.
- the demographic shift, the Knights are a prime example of what happens when the "nannas" and old boys start to fall off the perch.
- globalisation, still nobody cares outside NSW and Qld but still they don't get it. The SOO is NOT sports biggest rivalry, get over yourselves.

Rule changes are inevitable as the lawsuits will eventually start coming in. The NRL needs to be seen to be doing something as they have learned from the NFL that brushing it off doesn't work.

Is it a demographic shift with the Knights or the fact they are garbage? Are the Jets going through a demo shift as well?

SOO and Grand Final consistently make up 4 of the top 10 most watched shows on TV every year (and that includes Global events). Your talkback shows bemoaning the game 'dying in the bush' have been saying the same for 10 years. They are the same blokes that laugh about soccer divers and AFL being aerial ping pong. Id put more faith in youth participation rates etc (which Mr Fish has alluded too). if they are down then long term yeah it might present a problem.

I think you'll still find there will always be the talent available to sustain an elite comp in Australia though.

Some of the detail in the new NRL deal def points to the emphasis on making the existing content better rather than just trying to produce more content through more teams and games.
America is the perfect example of that where their most profitable teams, their biggest revenues and their highest ratings come from the sport with the lowest amount of games.

[GazFish35]

what's the hot ticket out in the bush, hayseed gav?

too much running in AFL, soccer's for poofs - what are they playing? tiddlywinks? smoking ice?


"Football's for poofs" is slowly dissapearing.


Ice and Xbox is the favoured past time.


and cow tipping

[The Dunster]

Rule changes are inevitable as the lawsuits will eventually start coming in. The NRL needs to be seen to be doing something as they have learned from the NFL that brushing it off doesn't work.

Is it a demographic shift with the Knights or the fact they are garbage? Are the Jets going through a demo shift as well?

SOO and Grand Final consistently make up 4 of the top 10 most watched shows on TV every year (and that includes Global events). Your talkback shows bemoaning the game 'dying in the bush' have been saying the same for 10 years. They are the same blokes that laugh about soccer divers and AFL being aerial ping pong. Id put more faith in youth participation rates etc (which Mr Fish has alluded too). if they are down then long term yeah it might present a problem.

I think you'll still find there will always be the talent available to sustain an elite comp in Australia though.

Some of the detail in the new NRL deal def points to the emphasis on making the existing content better rather than just trying to produce more content through more teams and games.
America is the perfect example of that where their most profitable teams, their biggest revenues and their highest ratings come from the sport with the lowest amount of games.

The fact that NFL is a vastly superior game doesn't hurt either.

[hawk]

HE admitted to a series of drunken attacks on his former girlfriend, in which she was pushed to the ground, punched, kicked and thrown around the couple’s bedroom.

But former Knight Zane Tetevano will not serve any jail time for five separate instances of domestic violence in as many months after an appeal against the severity of his 18-month imprisonment was upheld in Newcastle District Court on Monday.

must be acceptable to be an nrl grub. nice message that sends.

[Jetmaster]

Definitely a demographic shift...15 years ago the Knights consistently got 25000 plus...the Breakers 3-5000. Even a shit Jets can get over 10k a few times whilst the Knights have dropped right back. League is not the boss game anymore, definitely not with the youngsters who now have access to global sport 24 hours a day.

[plague]

Definitely a demographic shift...15 years ago the Knights consistently got 25000 plus...the Breakers 3-5000. Even a shit Jets can get over 10k a few times whilst the Knights have dropped right back. League is not the boss game anymore, definitely not with the youngsters who now have access to global sport 24 hours a day.

was anyone alive back in the KB days?
what sort of crowds were they pulling?

[Premy]

NRL people getting all made that Yanks think Hayne played Rugby Union and they've never heard of Rugby League

[plague]

NRL people getting all made that Yanks think Hayne played Rugby Union and they've never heard of Rugby League

prob same people losing their shit when yanks call it soccer.

[parksey]

The fact that NFL is a vastly superior game doesn't hurt either.

please

[Premy]

So further on this.

NRL last week announced a 5yr $900 Million contract with channel 9 for 4 games per week free to air exclusive.

AFL have just announced a $2.5 Billion 6 year broadcasting rights contract with Telstra, Channel 7 and Foxtel.

Talk is that Rupert wasn't happy about losing the 1 game per week and isn't coming to the party with Foxtel and NRL are looking into the various steaming services or creating their own (online NRL TV).
This could be a huge problem for NRL as their next broadcast deal could be significantly less than the last.

Interesting times indeed.

[plague]

yeah I wouldn't be reading too much into Cranky Ruperts bluff and bluster (its all part of the wank of negotiations).
Live sport is pretty much the only appointment tv going these days.
any tv show or movie you want to watch can be recorded and watched at your leisure, but if you think that you can avoid the result of major sporting events (grand finals, melbourne cup, world cup games) then either you have no friends or you are Dunster and live in a cabin in the woods sending letter bombs to people who overcharged you for coffee 12 years ago.

this means that the only way you are sitting through ads is if you watch it live. ads are the only way tv stations can afford the content.

Its too valuable a commodity to let go.

Foxtel will pay up and it will all be hugs and kisses.




a side note: another thing to consider when they talk about the numbers is how much is contra in the way of promotion/ads for the sport from media companies. With the whole of News Corp on side, there might be a fair chunk of that money that goes into ads, promos and 'positive editorial'. in the same way you can expect News Ltd papers to be putting shit on the NRL over not getting a deal done.



tl;dr? Dunster needs to please stop blowing people up.


oh and sucked in Darth Vader was really Lukes father.

[Premy]

yeah I wouldn't be reading too much into Cranky Ruperts bluff and bluster (its all part of the wank of negotiations).
Live sport is pretty much the only appointment tv going these days.
any tv show or movie you want to watch can be recorded and watched at your leisure, but if you think that you can avoid the result of major sporting events (grand finals, melbourne cup, world cup games) then either you have no friends or you are Dunster and live in a cabin in the woods sending letter bombs to people who overcharged you for coffee 12 years ago.

this means that the only way you are sitting through ads is if you watch it live. ads are the only way tv stations can afford the content.

Its too valuable a commodity to let go.

Foxtel will pay up and it will all be hugs and kisses.




a side note: another thing to consider when they talk about the numbers is how much is contra in the way of promotion/ads for the sport from media companies. With the whole of News Corp on side, there might be a fair chunk of that money that goes into ads, promos and 'positive editorial'. in the same way you can expect News Ltd papers to be putting shit on the NRL over not getting a deal done.



tl;dr? Dunster needs to please stop blowing people up.


oh and sucked in Darth Vader was really Lukes father.
I tend to agree, still it's interesting times ahead.

[baldrick]

oh and sucked in Darth Vader was really Lukes father.

No way !!

[Jetmaster]

So looks like the team led by a rapist wins the NRL...nice.

[weston]

Rapist?

Raping Broncos?

[lquiquer]

last 20 minutes til end of the game was top entertainment

[MFKS]

last 20 minutes til end of the game was top entertainment

I actually enjoyed the entire 80 minutes of the game and HT much more.

I not watch a second of the shit.:lulzturtle:


Even today reading and hearing the shit they come up with in the media about the game

Football shits on it for drama excitement and tension 24-7 365 days a year.


Best thing to come out of yesterday is that Dog Molesters time in the sun is over. Piss weak sport with no ****ing appeal to anyone who isn't a clueless halfwit


Australian Football is back in the limelight next week.

Roll on the HAL

[parksey]

it was actually one of the best games i've ever seen

[hawk]

https://i.imgflip.com/s22wd.jpg

[plague]

it was actually one of the best games i've ever seen

yep.

[Jeterpool]

We had the Knights final on in the background on Sunday arvo when someone said "he threw a punch", and I didn't realise at the time the bloke who received it got concussion. I then read this excerpt on the Herald

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3402930/knights-furious-after-mamo-decked/?cs=306


Speaking to Queensland’s Courier-Mail newspaper after the game, McConnachie said he did not wish Mamo any harm and did not condone violence.

‘‘I don’t really like fighting on the footy field. It’s actually the first time I’ve had a fight in a game,’’ McConnachie said. ‘‘I hope the guy is OK and I’m sorry if I’ve hurt him because it’s not the way I like to play the game.’’

McConnachie said the punch was a reaction to what he believed was a ‘‘cheap shot’’ by Mamo to his Jets teammate Matty Parcell.

‘‘I just wanted to defend my teammate, and they would do the same for me.

‘‘I didn’t know what was going to happen to me ... I guess instinct took over.’’

Jets teammate Chris Walker, whose brothers Ben and Shane coached Ipswich to victory, told the Courier-Mail McConnachie was ‘‘looking after his players’’.

‘‘‘Madness’ is one of our leaders and I’m glad he did stick up for them,’’ Walker said.

‘‘They might put Jake Mamo on report for trying to head-butt his fist.

‘‘Billy is definitely NRL quality.

‘‘He is tough as nails and never takes a backward step.’’

This is why I don't enjoy this game.

[belchardo]

cheapest shot I've seen in a while, can't believe the guy stayed on the field.

[q-money]

the continual infringements on the line by ipswich should have been punished with a sin-binning as well, same bloke, within 5 tackles of each other interfering with the dummy half at the play the ball, nailed on penalty try for the second on, post warning imo

[hawk]

yeah there was a study done and it said something like the impact of a shoulder charge was twice as strong as a regular tackle*

The NFL is a prime example of chickens coming home to roost for the lack of safety of their players.
NRL are really only acting to save some cash on the lawsuits, but if they prevent a few blokes going crazy and killing themselves then thats a bonus i guess

Hangon. Game is played by assholes, let the head high and shoulder hits reign.

[weston]

Not knowing a lot about the game anymore and especially that grade. That Mamo guy seems like a bit of a dick. Even the commentators said something along those lines. But as far as I'm concerned he never started that fight. I'm
Not sure why the fight even happened. But that was one big cheap shot by that Mconnackie guy.

[front2]

If that Ipswich player was a thorough club stalwart, he would have saved his energy and methodically ruined the life of any innocent bystander that crossed his path later that night.

[hawk]

outrage for siro

http://images.performgroup.com/di/library/sportal_com_au/96/98/curtis-sironen_70pqonc4e4im12mgq70zqfe5s.jpg?t=-1154923960

[q-money]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/sydney-roosters-star-mitchell-pearce-caught-in-lewd-video/news-story/a29b89542869293b54f6c6dae15e82ae


NSW Origin star Mitchell Pearce’s career is in tatters after he was filmed simulating a lewd act with a dog at an Australia Day house party in Sydney.

The clip, set to be released at 7:30pm here at The Daily Telegraph, was filmed by a fellow partygoer.

The video also shows a drunk Pearce trying to kiss a woman and also urinating on himself.

Pearce, 26, had earlier posted photographs on Instagram of himself and Roosters team mates heading out for a harbour cruise following an early morning training session.

The latest incident follows the infamous ‘woman in the yellow dress’ scandal from 2013 which saw Pearce evicted from a Sydney pub.

CHECK BACK HERE FOR MORE AT 7:30pm.

the trifecta!

dogs, pissing and sexual harrassment!

onya pearcey

[lquiquer]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/sydney-roosters-star-mitchell-pearce-caught-in-lewd-video/news-story/a29b89542869293b54f6c6dae15e82ae



the trifecta!

dogs, pissing and sexual harrassment!

onya pearcey

Rebecca Wilson saw the video and concluded it's the dog's fault: The dog is a well know sokha hooligan....shame on him

[belchardo]

how's the telly though - come back at 7:30 to watch our confected outrage and gives us lots of advertising revenue!

[plague]

no flares no big deal imho

[Jetmaster]

Dunno whats worse...the bloke for trying to shag a dog or the bogans defending his right to privacy!

[hawk]

Dunno whats worse...the bloke for trying to shag a dog or the bogans defending his right to privacy!

bingo.

anyone see the sheila at the end say this bloke can stay a couple of times. She nearly pulled his arm of so she could land some rod

[Jetmaster]

Bogan guys ignore this shit cos they are good footy players....bogan chicks just want the penis.
Noted on the news tonight, three different stories, four players all in trouble for assault, drugs a puppy pounding.

[plague]

Bogan guys ignore this shit cos they are good footy players....bogan chicks just want the penis.
Noted on the news tonight, three different stories, four players all in trouble for assault, drugs a puppy pounding.


Roosters hopping mad over a bloke mucking around with a dog all the while cashing those cheques from Steggles who kill like, yanno, millions of chickens every year.

[plague]

having said that though "YOUNG BLOKE GETS DRUNK AND TRIES TO BE FUNNY, EMBARRASSES HIMSELF" aint a sackable offence in any sensible part of society.

[MFKS]

having said that though "YOUNG BLOKE GETS DRUNK AND TRIES TO BE FUNNY, EMBARRASSES HIMSELF" aint a sackable offence in any sensible part of society.
The most embarrassing thing is that the female token rep for Woman at the NRL is threatening to quit if he isn't sacked.

Bit of due process FFS

HE is a goose no doubt but she is no better making threats trying to prejudice his impending punishment whilst hiding behind some alleged level of morality and high ground

[The Dunster]

having said that though "YOUNG BLOKE GETS DRUNK AND TRIES TO BE FUNNY, EMBARRASSES HIMSELF" aint a sackable offence in any sensible part of society.

Agree. It's an ethical matter not a legal one. Nobody has been raped and no animal has been harmed according to the information we have so far received about the incident.

His only wrong doing is that he is possibly projecting an image that is not in the best interest of himself, sponsors, and other stakeholders in the Rugby League business.

That may be a sack able offense depending upon the terms of his contract. But unlikely.

[hawk]

Agree. It's an ethical matter not a legal one. Nobody has been raped and no animal has been harmed according to the information we have so far received about the incident.

His only wrong doing is that he is possibly projecting an image that is not in the best interest of himself, sponsors, and other stakeholders in the Rugby League business.

That may be a sack able offense depending upon the terms of his contract. But unlikely.

Dog spared shame

https://bandt-au.s3.amazonaws.com/information/uploads/2016/01/Screen-Shot-2016-01-28-at-10.46.47-AM-305x280.png?e8481e

[plague]

I mean legit have a go at uncle Rupert all ya's want but you gotta dap up the boys for blacking out that dogs eyes.
****ing brilliant in anyone's language.

[Jetmaster]

Tony Butterfield being a twit....

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3767868/give-pearce-a-chance/?cs=306#disqus_thread

...and copping it in the comments.

[plague]

$125k and 1/3 season for what he did?
jeez louise some people out there are wowsers.

[Jetmaster]

$125k and 1/3 season for what he did?
jeez louise some people out there are wowsers.

Mate, in a normal workplace situation he could lose his job for bringing the name of his employer into disrepute.

Think of the coin he will still make....he is a fortunate boy.

[plague]

Mate, in a normal workplace situation he could lose his job for bringing the name of his employer into disrepute.

Nah, that's not how normal workplaces operate.
Just sayin it's a pretty solid precedent they've set. Hate to be the next bloke that simulates sex with a dog for seven seconds instead of six. Prob straight to the gallows.

[Jetmaster]

Nah, that's not how normal workplaces operate.
Just sayin it's a pretty solid precedent they've set. Hate to be the next bloke that simulates sex with a dog for seven seconds instead of six. Prob straight to the gallows.

Mate it is normal workplace process, I'm a business manager who deals with HR - I can give you plenty of examples and saw one of my own staff members (a league player natch) lose his job over just being drunk at Belmont Sporties. No real issue apart from a bit of push and shove and getting kicked out of the club. Something that could happen any weekend in the Squadron.

Once it made the papers, and it was mentioned where he worked, he was asked to resign quietly.

What I'm saying is the shennanigans in themselves are no real issue. If it is caught by mates on video it is no issue, even if put on Facebook etc.

However if that video gets put in the public domain and your employer can be identified, you can be pinged by that employer if they feel you have blackened their reputation.

The said employer would be identified very rarely for most of us, but someone who is a well known face, like an NRL player, will have his employer in disrepute immediately.

This is the reason for the huge mania every Christmas party now - if anyone plays up the employer can be readily identified.

[plague]

Mate it is normal workplace process, I'm a business manager who deals with HR - I can give you plenty of examples and saw one of my own staff members (a league player natch) lose his job over just being drunk at Belmont Sporties.


ok cool if we're doing bone fides i employ people, they work for my business, I've had to sack people, I've had to defend legal action due because of some of those decisions in the past.
The CBA negotiated by the players union is not 'normal workplace process'. thats my point.



Once it made the papers, and it was mentioned where he worked, he was asked to resign quietly.


see, this isn't 'getting the sack'. and if your aforementioned workplace laws were so black and white there would be no need for such a request. the fact he was asked quietly means a deal was better than fight. and its a good tactic. but don't pretend that the bloke was all out of options.

[plague]

now look, heres my man telling it like it is.


It is very rare that an employment contract will expressly state the types of behavior that an employee should engage in outside of the workplace. However, in the decision of Rose v Telstra[1] the Australian Industrial Relations Commission (now the Fair Work Commission) held that the conduct of employees outside of work can be so offensive to the contractual ‘workplace relationship’ that there may exist a contractual right at common law for the employer to discipline or dismiss the employee. Generally, the Courts have only upheld this position where the conduct meets any of the following three requirements:

The off duty conduct, when viewed objectively, is likely to cause serious damage to the relationship between employer and employee; or
The off duty conduct damages the employer’s interests; or
The off duty conduct is incompatible with the employee’s duty as an employee.
he goes on

In Rose v Telstra 1998, Rose, a technician for Telstra, was asked to assist in taking the workload off another branch by temporarily relocating. Rose accepted and booked into a hotel paid for on travel allowance expenses. One evening Rose was involved in a fight, resulting in him being stabbed in the same hotel room. Rose notified his supervisor of his inability to work. Telstra was of the opinion that the incident amounted to improper conduct and subsequently Rose’s employment was terminated. At trial, Telstra’s main argument was that Rose’s out of duty conduct had been brought into the scope of his employment. The reasoning was that the travel allowance provided for the location of the incident. However the Court did not agree and found in favour of Rose. It was highlighted that the behaviour had no sufficient connection to Rose’s employment duties.. He had not been wearing the Telstra uniform at the time, he had not been on call and the incident did not occur in a public place. The Court also found any inclination to cause harm to the interests of Telstra was weak. Thus, even though the incident had been reported on, evidence that was led illustrated that the incident was contained as a ‘local rumor’ and most reports failed to mention Rose’s employment status.


i highlighted those 2 bits to emphasise the debate.
'sufficient' and 'most' meaning there is no absolute point to say "thats too much or thats not enough".
now the fact you brought up an example that went one way, and i brought up one that went another, means that we have a good old fashioned grey area.

which is the only point i was trying to make.

so anyway lets get back to 5 hit ups up the middle and kick for touch 'ey.

[Premy]

Yeah because a bloke forcing himself upon a female shouldn't be condemned.

[plague]

Yeah because a bloke forcing himself upon a female shouldn't be condemned.

oh yeah i agree, everyone on here is saying its cool cool.

[The Dunster]

now look, heres my man telling it like it is.


he goes on


i highlighted those 2 bits to emphasise the debate.
'sufficient' and 'most' meaning there is no absolute point to say "thats too much or thats not enough".
now the fact you brought up an example that went one way, and i brought up one that went another, means that we have a good old fashioned grey area.

which is the only point i was trying to make.

so anyway lets get back to 5 hit ups up the middle and kick for touch 'ey.
I'm not following. Where is the part about the Telstra guy pissing himself while trying to mount a dog ?

[plague]

I'm not following. Where is the part about the Telstra guy pissing himself while trying to mount a dog ?

It's implied.
Everyone knows your Telstra bloke comes round and fixes your phone lines then simulates sex on your dog.

Oh wait, or was that Optus?

You're right, this is confusing.

[plague]

Actually, as an aside, was it ever established that he did piss himself?
(Read somewhere he spilt a drink on himself in his state).

Because THAT is a sackable offence right there!!!

[The Dunster]

Rugby League is a game where two teams physically beat the crap out of each other for 80mins. Very little, if anything of what happens on the field would ever be tolerated within anyone's general day to day life.
Which makes it absolutely ridiculous to see a player have to answer for being drunk and a goose outside of work and yet never be called into question for beating the crap out of blokes for 80 mins a week 25 games per year as part of their job.

[plague]

Rugby League is a game where two teams physically beat the crap out of each other for 80mins. Very little, if anything of what happens on the field would ever be tolerated within anyone's general day to day life.
Which makes it absolutely ridiculous to see a player have to answer for being drunk and a goose outside of work and yet never be called into question for beating the crap out of blokes for 80 mins a week 25 games per year as part of their job.

You see this why I like Dunster because he is smart and truthful.

[pv4]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/junior-rugby-league-player-who-punched-a-referee-also-alleged-to-have-smeared-blood-on-the-face-of-a-rival-player/news-story/b3dffa7b95efa0fb547f6341ae380e53

Punched the ref, punched his captain, and smeared his own blood onto someone else - Rugby League mixed with the Central Coast.

[Jetmaster]

Back when men were men and there were no "excuses" for behaviour...

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/2972a587e979ebbf875cf6aea9f234bf?api_key=zw4msefgg f9wdvqswdfuqnr5

Steve Roach got four weeks for this tap.

That kid should be banned for life - end of.

[la bazzle]

Blokes wearing the wrong colour shorts, anyone really surprised? Like the bloke who shows up to training in board shorts, cant be trusted

[Nou Camp]

a lot of junior rugby league comps have security these days
not hard to see why

[hawk]

junior bogan retards just doin what they do until they can afford an adidas bum bag #thisisnrl

[hawk]

Manly prop Liam Knight sprayed Aerogard in his mouth after being arrested for drink driving

Whilst with police the accused was cocky and showed no real concern for the seriousness of the matter

That'll fix it

[boz-monaut]

for those of you wondering what awful act an NRL player would get up to next

A Brisbane Broncos player recently left his wife in labour with their first child to go play rugby league, despite his partner begging him not to

if you ever needed proof that rugby league people are disgusting human beings, the Broncos applauded him on this and referred to it as a selfless act

[Jetmaster]

for those of you wondering what awful act an NRL player would get up to next

A Brisbane Broncos player recently left his wife in labour with their first child to go play rugby league, despite his partner begging him not to

if you ever needed proof that rugby league people are disgusting human beings, the Broncos applauded him on this and referred to it as a selfless act

Actually was quite common before "new age" man and feminism. Footballers and cricketers were more often than not away from home when their kids were born In fact any request for parental leave was frowned upon.

A classic example was in the 80's when Allan Border was batting at the SCG - a message came up on the then new big screen congratulating him on the birth of his new daughter in Brisbane.

[GazFish35]

bit different than walking away while your missus is in labour.

[plague]

A Brisbane Broncos player recently left his wife in labour with their first child to go play rugby league, despite his partner begging him not to


In fairness:
Despite initially reporting that she begged him to stay, the wife has now come out defending her man saying she wanted him to play.

[boz-monaut]

it's rugby league

he almost certainly beat her into saying that

these people are animals

[plague]

it's rugby league

he almost certainly beat her into saying that

these people are animals

I mean at least it sounds like this guy had consensual sex with a woman so they seem to be evolving as a species and that's something yeah?

[Jetmaster]

Knights fans posting on Facebook that the effort was an A+ today and that is all they ask.

62 nil...top effort that.

[belchardo]

Knights fans posting on Facebook that the effort was an A+ today and that is all they ask.

62 nil...top effort that.

Seriously jetmaster, we're pretty much in the same glass house! :rof:

[MFKS]

Knights fans posting on Facebook that the effort was an A+ today and that is all they ask.

62 nil...top effort that.
They are an embarrassment.

You can say all you like that Tinkler ruined both clubs.

But the Jets hit rock bottom when he was there and since his removal have made progress forward

The druggos on the other hand have since collected the wooden spoon and are on course for back to back efforts.

They have actually gone worse than when Tinkler was running the joint


Many are saying it is a young side and they will develop. I call bullshit.

They are that far off the pace it isn't funny and very few of them will actually make it as NRL players.

The clubs admin and coaches are to blame for their mess.

If the kids they have playing were not good enough then they should have went out and bought adequate players in during the offf season.

Be as intelligent as if Millertime arrived here and played our Yoof team all season in the HAL

Coach and Admin need lynching for this debacle and then the players

[hawk]

Seriously jetmaster, we're pretty much in the same glass house! :rof:

no. We arent that silly. nothing is good enough for us when we lose. Sounds like the old knoughts supporters are ready to give the team up and bout time

[Jetmaster]

The difference between us and the Knoughts is that we call a spade a spade. If we are shit we say so in no uncertain terms and boo the team when deserved.

The comments I see from Knoughts fans is the usual excuse after excuse, and to keep supporting them till the good times return.

They need to get these guys out of their cotton wool - for instance, if some kid bursts into tears at the end of the game because he has personal issues, why is he even on the park??

[Nou Camp]

seriously how low does your IQ have to be before youre allowed to play NRL

[hawk]

One of Jarryd Hayne's best mates has emerged as the man who attempted to take the rap for Parramatta star Corey Norman when he was allegedly busted for drugs outside The Star casino last Friday.

more nrl crims, yawn

[belchardo]

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/nrl-matchfixing-claims-nsw-organised-crime-squad-investigating-rugby-league-games-20160602-gp9n0s.html

The NSW Organised Crime Squad are investigating two NRL matches after claims of match-fixing emerged on Thursday morning...

[The Dunster]

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/nrl-matchfixing-claims-nsw-organised-crime-squad-investigating-rugby-league-games-20160602-gp9n0s.html

The NSW Organised Crime Squad are investigating two NRL matches after claims of match-fixing emerged on Thursday morning...

I thought all NRL matches were fixed just like they are in the WWE.

[Superdylan]

Was down there for the game last night. Deadset boring game. Nsw with way more chances. Very predictable game.

Queensland will win by a few tries origin 2.

[hawk]

Teenage referee ‘punched in the face’ by man at Sydney junior rugby league game

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/06/18/14/49/teenage-referee-punched-in-the-face-by-man-at-junior-sydney-rugby-league-game

Just the usual knuckle draggers. Day isnt over yet.

[Retro Jet]

Another Wank of Origin series over.
I don't know why they even bother any more....

[StannyCFCJET]

NSW are there own worst enemies every game but the ****ING ludicrous refereeing isnt helping

[Jetmaster]

NSW are there own worst enemies every game but the ****ING ludicrous refereeing isnt helping

Didn't watch it but don't they have every bit of technology on their side with cameras at all angles - how can they make mistakes?

[StannyCFCJET]

Didn't watch it but don't they have every bit of technology on their side with cameras at all angles - how can they make mistakes?

The mistakes are one team getting penalised for something both teams are doing all game

[leftrightout]

I starting watching it last night and turned it off as i was falling asleep, my god it is boring these days! I don't watch much footy but i thought this was meant to have feeling and be intense. It wasn't near it!

[StannyCFCJET]

I starting watching it last night and turned it off as i was falling asleep, my god it is boring these days! I don't watch much footy but i thought this was meant to have feeling and be intense. It wasn't near it!

i thought last nights game was very intense

[Jetmaster]

I starting watching it last night and turned it off as i was falling asleep, my god it is boring these days! I don't watch much footy but i thought this was meant to have feeling and be intense. It wasn't near it!

This is one of the things about it - 20 years ago it was a great game. Tough props, cunning halves, athletic wingers and skillful 5/8s. The toughness was there with minimal subs and fair, tough tackles. And the rules were simple.

Now it is all roided up players who all play the same no matter what position, interchange, you only have to blow on someone to get cited and I have no idea what some of the rules are.

It is now glorified touch footy, only surviving on the one eyed propaganda from News Ltd and Nein.

SOO was Wally and Alfie...once they retired pffft.

[boz-monaut]

yet another rugby league thug charged with domestic violence

the club, his team mates, the NRL denies it's an issue and the bloke is going to play this weekend

how many other jobs would you be able to repeatedly commit domestic violence (or as it should more accurately be called, violence) and not only not be requested to stand aside until the charges are sorted, but actually supported by your employer and your mates

how low can this disgusting game go?

[StannyCFCJET]

yet another rugby league thug charged with domestic violence

the club, his team mates, the NRL denies it's an issue and the bloke is going to play this weekend

how many other jobs would you be able to repeatedly commit domestic violence (or as it should more accurately be called, violence) and not only not be requested to stand aside until the charges are sorted, but actually supported by your employer and your mates

how low can this disgusting game go?

innocent until proven gulity otherwise you get a shawn kenny dowell incident where he is crucified by everyone then is found innocent

[Jetmaster]

Agree...the guy on the news last night who said "as long as he is available this weekend; thats the main thing " ... ffs!

[boz-monaut]

innocent until proven gulity otherwise you get a shawn kenny dowell incident where he is crucified by everyone then is found innocent

the thug should stand down until this matter is sorted

but what do you expect from the sort of blokes who hit women and the culture that supports and covers them up?

a violent stupid sport for violent stupid people

[Jetmaster]

World Cup? Bwaaahahahahaha!

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4039967/rugby-league-world-cup-bypasses-newcastle-photos/?cs=305

[Superdylan]

World Cup? Bwaaahahahahaha!

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4039967/rugby-league-world-cup-bypasses-newcastle-photos/?cs=305

Pretty bad setup. 3 countries as hosts is stupid.

Will be another Australia vs New Zealand final. Aussies with a good side and key injuries avoided assured winners.

[MFKS]

Pretty bad setup. 3 countries as hosts is stupid.

Will be another Australia vs New Zealand final. Aussies with a good side and key injuries avoided assured winners.

3 Hosts??

They ought to be thankful they were able to rustle up 3 teams

World Cup??
FMD

[Jeterpool]

I'll sit back with interest and watch how the latest push the Knights to again be owned by the fans...there seems to be a fair ground swell at the moment.

[Jetmaster]

Only because Dillon and his Herald brethren are pushing it. I honestly don't think they have the fanbase they had 15-20 years ago (though still bigger than ours) to get enough people to part with their hard-earned. The NRL would really need to be convinced by this plan.

[sammydog]

I'll sit back with interest and watch how the latest push the Knights to again be owned by the fans...there seems to be a fair ground swell at the moment.

I still don't understand where the ongoing funding comes from after they raise the initial capital through the shares purchase.

Same thing worried me when there was talk of the jets doing the same.

Say they have 14,000 members (I picked a random number) a fair chunk of these would be family groups who wouldn't purchase multiple shares and then memberships on top. I can only presume these will be aimed at local business as well.

Are they going to be expected to chip in again in the future, or will the club run on a modest break even budget keeping them as a club making up the numbers.

Call me cynical but I think any sporting team in Newcastle that wants to be successful still needs someone to inject ongoing funds.

[The Dunster]

I still don't understand where the ongoing funding comes from after they raise the initial capital through the shares purchase.

Same thing worried me when there was talk of the jets doing the same.

Say they have 14,000 members (I picked a random number) a fair chunk of these would be family groups who wouldn't purchase multiple shares and then memberships on top. I can only presume these will be aimed at local business as well.

Are they going to be expected to chip in again in the future, or will the club run on a modest break even budget keeping them as a club making up the numbers.

Call me cynical but I think any sporting team in Newcastle that wants to be successful still needs someone to inject ongoing funds.

I was thinking the same thing. Unless the governing body injects a sizeable amount into the pot each year with respect to Channel 9 / Foxtel money.
But then you hear a story on the news about the Knights signing a somewhat untested 2 game rookie for 4 years or something for $3.6m and I think might as well call the bankruptcy lawyers in as well.
What is wrong with this town ? Doesn't matter what the code is the town always pays way to much for unproven talent and offers peanuts to those they should be offering the big money.

[pv4]

I still don't understand where the ongoing funding comes from after they raise the initial capital through the shares purchase.

Same thing worried me when there was talk of the jets doing the same.

Say they have 14,000 members (I picked a random number) a fair chunk of these would be family groups who wouldn't purchase multiple shares and then memberships on top. I can only presume these will be aimed at local business as well.

Are they going to be expected to chip in again in the future, or will the club run on a modest break even budget keeping them as a club making up the numbers.

Call me cynical but I think any sporting team in Newcastle that wants to be successful still needs someone to inject ongoing funds.

It'll be like the Jerks memberships where they just kinda auto-renew without you ever fully knowing. And by the time it has auto-renewed you're too lazy to cancel and refund it.

[plague]

has anyone got any links to the Knights proposal?

[boz-monaut]

link to Knights' proposal (www.lemonparty.org)

[plague]

it was my birthday last month, not yesterday.

[hawk]

Only because Dillon and his Herald brethren are pushing it. I honestly don't think they have the fanbase they had 15-20 years ago (though still bigger than ours) to get enough people to part with their hard-earned. The NRL would really need to be convinced by this plan.

yeah this. sif gangbang granny army is gonna throw 5hunj in each

[skippy]

Lol Sandow

[plague]

Lol Sandow


A dog is heard continually yapping as the pair fight in a street in front of dozens of onlookers.


'more news as it comes to hand......'

[The Dunster]

David Gyngell and James Packer put on a similar public performance and it didn't impact negatively on their careers . So I don't see why Sandow's career should be in jeopardy over this little scrap.

Oh - sorry I forgot. He's Aboriginal. Different rules.

[skippy]

Love it though, fair one on one fight and after the guy goes to ground Sandow gives him a hand up and a pat on the back, how some scores should be settled.

[The Dunster]

Love it though, fair one on one fight and after the guy goes to ground Sandow gives him a hand up and a pat on the back, how some scores should be settled.

Exactly. Sandow and the other bloke have moved on everyone else should.

[Jetmaster]

Oh joy....a Knights drug bust!

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4409944/jarrod-mullen-tests-positive-to-steroid/?cs=303

[plague]

Oh joy....a Knights drug bust!

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4409944/jarrod-mullen-tests-positive-to-steroid/?cs=303

Nah man. Don't do that.

[MFKS]

Oh joy....a Knights drug bust!

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4409944/jarrod-mullen-tests-positive-to-steroid/?cs=303

Being that he is over rated, perennially injured and taking up a lot of salary cap is it really that big of a loss for them??

It probably to their benefit freeing up salary cap space of they sack him

[Jetmaster]

Being that he is over rated, perennially injured and taking up a lot of salary cap is it really that big of a loss for them??

It probably to their benefit freeing up salary cap space of they sack him

Would be fitting for Joey v2.0 to exit the same way.

[MFKS]

Would be fitting for Joey v2.0 to exit the same way.

Joey v 1.0 Could actually play

Joey v 2.0 Is an imposter

[StannyCFCJET]

Mullen is stealing a living, bloke is still living of his one off State of origin appearance years ago

[The Dunster]

The majority of professional athletes are taking performance enhancing drugs. It's not cheating it's just the way it is. Sure it would be nice to live in a world where it doesn't happen but the reality is performance enhancing drugs are everywhere these days.
Bigger, stronger, faster is what everyone wants but nobody wants to accept how it is achieved.
I actually feel sorry for Mullen because he has a family to support and the media are going to crucify him for simply wanting to get himself right for the coming season.
The athletes are the victims here not the criminals. Sponsors know what goes on as do the broadcasters, clubs and the ruling bodies of sports.
Sure they bust a few athletes but they do it selectively and they always do it with an eye on the till.
Then you have the fans who will rip into players when they get busted for drugs but on other occasions rip a player apart because they don't appear to be putting in. Well, good chance your bloke, not putting in is running clean so it's a case of damned if you do damned you don't.

They should legalise drugs for all power sports and leave it up to the athletes to decide how far they want to go.
And for those saying it sets a bad example for kids go have a look at the injuries these blokes suffer and you soon realise brain and spinal injuries are of far greater concern than blokes testing positive to steroids and the like.

[hawk]

The majority of professional athletes are taking performance enhancing drugs. It's not cheating it's just the way it is.

um it is cheating but everyone is doing it. apparently seaweed and Joe wieder muscle mass would have done the job for him....:whistling:.

[The Dunster]

um it is cheating but everyone is doing it. apparently seaweed and Joe wieder muscle mass would have done the job for him....:whistling:.

I was also referring to the protein powders and so on which are not on the banned list. They may not be against the rules but it shows intent to take something to improve performance just the same.
The drug testing though is a waste of time in that it doesn't take a piss or blood test to work out what is going on.
I mean, today's half backs would have been big enough to play as props not too long ago. Moreover, we also have blokes playing these days that are in excess of 115kg who are lightening quick over 35 metres.

[Jetmaster]

So....the NRL has a hooligan problem. Lets see how quick this gets swept under the behaviour of the Cove tonight.

[plague]

So....the NRL has a hooligan problem. Lets see how quick this gets swept under the behaviour of the Cove tonight.

To be fair though there's been plenty of space dedicated to Rugby League trouble over the years, it's just that it's always one certain 'type' of fan they concentrate on.

[hawk]

To be fair though there's been plenty of space dedicated to Rugby League trouble over the years, it's just that it's always one certain 'type' of fan they concentrate on.

yep. Bogans, all clubs are full of them.

[plague]

yep. Bogans, all clubs are full of them.

Hmmmm, I feel like they are narrowing it down even further.
Something I can't quite put my Caucasian finger on.......

[WolfMan]

Hmmmm, I feel like they are narrowing it down even further.
Something I can't quite put my Caucasian finger on.......

Bulldogs! I mean, bullshit...

[Jetmaster]

Hmmmm, I feel like they are narrowing it down even further.
Something I can't quite put my Caucasian finger on.......

Just reminded me I have to get a cucumber on the way back from buying my kebab at lunchtime.

[belchardo]

Good to see NRL is getting serious about head injuries - 10 minutes in the bin for an off the ball elbow to the head followed by 3 or so punches. That'll teach em! Two other cheap high shots as well.

[MFKS]

Another drugby League player arrested

This time Shaun Kenny Dowell for possession

Weren't the local druggos trying to entice him here ??

The Knoughts now recruiting them are they??

[Jetmaster]

Knoughts have pulled out. Was checking out Facey comments yesterday...best one was some chick who said he should be left alone "because every second person in a nightclub had cocaine on them".

[skippy]

Cronulla chairman caught with some nose beers, and 2 Kiwis after the test match caught on CCTV doing it.

It gets better and better.

[Jeterpool]

Cronulla chairman caught with some nose beers, and 2 Kiwis after the test match caught on CCTV doing it.

It gets better and better.

One day football will take advantage of League's inability to stop falling over itself

[hawk]

Rugby league player banned for life after knocking out referee
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/rugby-league-player-banned-for-life-after-knocking-out-referee-20170506-gvzn4p.html

Spreading worldwide culture. World doesnt need this grub sport

Cue the morons trying to find a similar incident to defend it.

[StannyCFCJET]

Gonna have my say. Love me some Rugby League (up the eels). Every sport has dickheads and off field shit (sadly league has alot more these days).

[Jetmaster]

Gonna have my say. Love me some Rugby League (up the eels). Every sport has dickheads and off field shit (sadly league has alot more these days).

So why does NRL appear to continually justify said dickheads?

[northern_swan]

Cronulla chairman caught with some nose beers, and 2 Kiwis after the test match caught on CCTV doing it.

It gets better and better.

Just read the Melbourne Kiwi was given a "heavy price" of two weeks in the stands for his nose candy episode in our nations capital
http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/melbourne-storm-star-jesse-bromwich-to-pay-price-for-alleged-drug-scandal/news-story/16025bde67226765ed8c253791027231

[hawk]

Traditionally, cocaine has been popular amongst Australian stockbrokers, lawyers, tech entrepreneurs and hospitality tycoons as a recreational party drug – however, the bourgeoisie gloss is starting the fade after nearly twenty rugby-league-related incidents in the last 12 months.
http://www.betootaadvocate.com/sports/cocaine-worried-nrl-starting-hurt-image/

Even the drug crowd find feral leaguies as a scourge. grubs

[plague]

Just read the Melbourne Kiwi was given a "heavy price" of two weeks in the stands for his nose candy episode in our nations capital
http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/melbourne-storm-star-jesse-bromwich-to-pay-price-for-alleged-drug-scandal/news-story/16025bde67226765ed8c253791027231

just interested in hearing some peoples thoughts on what an appropriate penalty is for this?

[q-money]

just interested in hearing some peoples thoughts on what an appropriate penalty is for this?

you have to share the bag with everyone next time

[boz-monaut]

imagine how inane a coked up conversation between NRL players would be

[GazFish35]

So why does NRL appear to continually justify said dickheads?

its keeps the game in news.

[The Dunster]

just interested in hearing some peoples thoughts on what an appropriate penalty is for this?
It's got nothing to do with the club. It's a personal choice made by a player in their own time. Whether or not any laws have been breached is for the courts or police to decide not a football club or the sports governing body.
I mean these blokes run at each other flat out for 80mins a week placing unnatural stresses on their bodies - possibly causing permanent injuries - even brain damage ?
To come out and point the finger at recreational / illicit drug use by players because it makes might bring the game into disrepute is simply ridiculous.
Then again, I don't have an issue with players using performance enhancing drugs - and neither do the fans when they are quite happy to accept that today's players are much bigger, stronger, and faster than those of previous generations.

I mean if you really banned performance enhancing drugs I doubt you would have a single club in the competition capable of fielding a team.

[Macca]

On a similar note it really annoys me when I hear all the talk about players being role models and ambassadors and all this. Fair play to the guys who are able to do it well and the game does benefit from having the clean shaven, well spoken guys who do all the right stuff. But far out imagine if we as players were held to the same standards of behaviour that these guys are. They can't do anything in public without getting video'd or photographed and then the media gets a hold of it and all hell breaks loose.

Another analogy would be your current job, if they controlled (more than some already do) what you could and could not do outside working hours, days off etc as well as having thousands of people constantly surveilling you just trying to find a bit of dirt they can forward to your employer to get you in shit.

[WolfMan]

Last 2 posts - 100% agree.

Wish I could add more to it, but it's already been said. Well done Dunster and Macca

[MFKS]

Interesting thing is the naughty blokes who they refuse to register a contract for.

When this happens i surprised the player hasnt went to court and ****ed them for restraint of trade

The governing body isnt punishing them for an indiscretion they are actually stopping them from working



Always amazes me how the Todd Carneys have not played that card

[plague]

Last 2 posts - 100% agree.

Wish I could add more to it, but it's already been said. Well done Dunster and Macca

I agree with Wolfman for agreeing with Dunster and Macca.

[halo se7en]

Interesting thing is the naughty blokes who they refuse to register a contract for.

When this happens i surprised the player hasnt went to court and ****ed them for restraint of trade

The governing body isnt punishing them for an indiscretion they are actually stopping them from working



Always amazes me how the Todd Carneys have not played that card

I've never understood this restraint of trade thing... isn't it just the same as some company not hiring me because they don't think I'm suitable for their company? What's the difference?

[MFKS]

I've never understood this restraint of trade thing... isn't it just the same as some company not hiring me because they don't think I'm suitable for their company? What's the difference?
If the bloke is a professional drugby league player then the governing body by refusing to register his contract is preventing him from gaining employment at his profession.

Most of the time this is not for any great crime other than being your usual drugby league bonehead as well

I reckon they would have **** all chance of it holding upo in court

Just as the salary caps would also go if challenged

[hawk]

I mean these blokes run at each other flat out for 80mins a week placing unnatural stresses on their bodies - possibly causing permanent injuries - even brain damage ?
To come out and point the finger at recreational / illicit drug use by players because it makes might bring the game into disrepute is simply ridiculous.

That's their stupid fault for trying to be arrogant heroes. They're grubs that do grub stuff so no real surprise.

[The Dunster]

I've never understood this restraint of trade thing... isn't it just the same as some company not hiring me because they don't think I'm suitable for their company? What's the difference?

I think one of the player managers and Gus Gould made a statement about free markets and the restraint of trade thing - and it snowballed from there.
But none of it is factual unfortunately and really only garners the approval of people with out any knowledge in law or economics for that matter.

If we refer to section 92 of the Australian constitution we will find the following:

"92. Trade within the Commonwealth to be free
On the imposition of uniform duties of customs, trade, commerce, and intercourse among the States, whether by means
of internal carriage or ocean navigation, shall be absolutely free.
But notwithstanding anything in this Constitution, goods imported before the imposition of uniform duties of customs
into any State, or into any Colony which, whilst the goods remain therein, becomes a State, shall, on thence passing into
another State within two years after the imposition of such duties, be liable to any duty chargeable on the importation
of such goods into the Commonwealth, less any duty paid in respect of the goods on their importation."

Good luck to anyone saying that this would apply to Todd Carney or indeed any Rugby League player.
With respect to the economic side of things there is no such thing as a free market. It's a pedagogical device used in textbooks - nothing more.

[halo se7en]

I think one of the player managers and Gus Gould made a statement about free markets and the restraint of trade thing - and it snowballed from there.
But none of it is factual unfortunately and really only garners the approval of people with out any knowledge in law or economics for that matter.

If we refer to section 92 of the Australian constitution we will find the following:

"92. Trade within the Commonwealth to be free
On the imposition of uniform duties of customs, trade, commerce, and intercourse among the States, whether by means
of internal carriage or ocean navigation, shall be absolutely free.
But notwithstanding anything in this Constitution, goods imported before the imposition of uniform duties of customs
into any State, or into any Colony which, whilst the goods remain therein, becomes a State, shall, on thence passing into
another State within two years after the imposition of such duties, be liable to any duty chargeable on the importation
of such goods into the Commonwealth, less any duty paid in respect of the goods on their importation."

Good luck to anyone saying that this would apply to Todd Carney or indeed any Rugby League player.
With respect to the economic side of things there is no such thing as a free market. It's a pedagogical device used in textbooks - nothing more.

Cheers Dunst. I've heard it bandied around when the powers that be in the EPL talk about capping the # of foreigners in the league too (like that would ever happen).

[pv4]

Nah soz in a day and age where basically everyone is on the nose-powder and basically can't be caught due to how quick it leaves their system (have it on the Saturday and pass your drug test on the Monday from all reports), it's about time someone somewhere gets punished for the shit. Not coming down on the blokes, famous or not, that get caught with it only further encourages casual users everywhere to use it. If it's legal, whom cares (and I for one am not smart enough to argue on what should/shouldn't be legal, so if you want to get into that one then I can't help you soz). But it's illegal, and there needs to be examples set.

I read that possession without intent to sell can be 2 years jail time in NSW, and 15 years in QLD. Lock 'em up, regardless of how famous they are. Stamp this shit out of society.

[Macca]

I'll preface this by saying I've never taken any illegal drugs - without going into the illegal/legal debate I just find it amusing the amount of damage caused by smokes and alcohol. Cigarettes should be illegal 100% in my opinion, no way they would be allowed to be brought into the market in this day and age.

Having said that I agree that people breaking the law should face the penalties whether famous or not. What I don't agree with is a couple of things. As I mentioned earlier, sportsmen being held to ridiculous standards. Some of the stuff these guys get media crucified for is ridiculous and would happen hundreds or thousands of times across the country every weekend. The governing bodies then go all sanctimonious and burn blokes to save face and appease social media shitstorms. Although this isn't just limited to sport, social media shitstorms happen every few weeks these days and influence politics somehow. Anyone remember Kony or Harambe? lel.

My other main issue is selective application of the law. You alluded to it yourself, this shit is happening everywhere all the time. Media and no doubt some law enforcement are attracted to anyone famous to try and attract attention for themselves. People caught cheating with performance enhancing drugs etc should be crucified in media (imo, although I respect your views Dunster), some player caught doing rec drugs a week or two into off season / annual leave is not an "A-league drug scandal". Imagine the Betoota Advocate headline "Late 20's well-off white male caught with drugs while on holidays". Not saying he should be glorified or let off but come on, is it really a big deal?

[The Dunster]

Nah soz in a day and age where basically everyone is on the nose-powder and basically can't be caught due to how quick it leaves their system (have it on the Saturday and pass your drug test on the Monday from all reports), it's about time someone somewhere gets punished for the shit. Not coming down on the blokes, famous or not, that get caught with it only further encourages casual users everywhere to use it. If it's legal, whom cares (and I for one am not smart enough to argue on what should/shouldn't be legal, so if you want to get into that one then I can't help you soz). But it's illegal, and there needs to be examples set.

I read that possession without intent to sell can be 2 years jail time in NSW, and 15 years in QLD. Lock 'em up, regardless of how famous they are. Stamp this shit out of society.

Ok. So what happens to their children ? I mean let us assume that the user was the provider in a single income home ? The three kids all went to good private schools, played several sports, were active in cultural activities such as arts / music - and so on....

Basically, you want to destroy the lives of these three kids [not to mention the wife/mother] because the father liked a bit of recreational cocaine use ? Sorry it's a ridiculous idea to lock up people for drug use that has no significant impact on you and me.
IF someones driving a car under the influence - that's a different story.

Why not lock up people with type two diabetes ? I mean through crap diet decisions people are putting too much or the wrong foods [drugs] into their bodies - and the rest of society are paying for it with respect to the time and resources dedicated to finding drugs to allow these people to carry on eating shit and not looking after themselves.

[pv4]

Ok. So what happens to their children ? I mean let us assume that the user was the provider in a single income home ? The three kids all went to good private schools, played several sports, were active in cultural activities such as arts / music - and so on....

Basically, you want to destroy the lives of these three kids [not to mention the wife/mother] because the father liked a bit of recreational cocaine use ? Sorry it's a ridiculous idea to lock up people for drug use that has no significant impact on you and me.
IF someones driving a car under the influence - that's a different story.

People with those kids and those lifestyles should make wise, informed decisions on their own lifestyle choices and understand the risks and consequences associated with certain decisions. I don't use drugs and go overboard with alcohol because I'll lose my job and not be able to afford to live, for example. I don't do illegal shit because I don't want to go to jail, for example.

So these blokes with these kids.. if they don't want to go to jail, don't do shit that has jail-able offences. And like I said earlier, I don't have enough personal knowledge to know what should and shouldn't be illegal, and what should and shouldn't send you to jail. But guess what? The rules are written down. The offences and their consequences open for anyone to read. So don't do it if you're worried about the consequences! Simple!

tl;dr - "recreational cocaine use" is a jail-able offence according to my quick google. If you do it, you're risking the consequences. That's not on you, or me, or society, or the "damn liberals" - that's on the person that sought out, paid for, and snorted, that line of cocaine.

And what Macca is saying - I agree, blanket rule everyone. Lock them all up. Set examples. Stamp this shit out of society (if illegal, which this particular thing is).

[The Dunster]

People with those kids and those lifestyles should make wise, informed decisions on their own lifestyle choices and understand the risks and consequences associated with certain decisions. I don't use drugs and go overboard with alcohol because I'll lose my job and not be able to afford to live, for example. I don't do illegal shit because I don't want to go to jail, for example.

So these blokes with these kids.. if they don't want to go to jail, don't do shit that has jail-able offences. And like I said earlier, I don't have enough personal knowledge to know what should and shouldn't be illegal, and what should and shouldn't send you to jail. But guess what? The rules are written down. The offences and their consequences open for anyone to read. So don't do it if you're worried about the consequences! Simple!

tl;dr - "recreational cocaine use" is a jail-able offence according to my quick google. If you do it, you're risking the consequences. That's not on you, or me, or society, or the "damn liberals" - that's on the person that sought out, paid for, and snorted, that line of cocaine.

And what Macca is saying - I agree, blanket rule everyone. Lock them all up. Set examples. Stamp this shit out of society (if illegal, which this particular thing is).

What the **** do you mean by those lifestyles ? I know doctors, lawyers, stockbrokers, merchant bankers, and many other categories of people that are users. I even know an anaesthetist that's been a heroin user for over 20 years?
And guess what - all good people, all devoted to their families, all contributing more to society than any of us would do in a dozen lifetimes. [spending wise for the banker types].
Why would you want to lock them up ? because of some stupid law ?
This law is wrong - just like those pertaining to same sex relations, race, and a host of other things.
We should educate people about the reasons not to use drugs - not simply lock them up.
Capital punishment hasn't done shit to lower murder rates in the US and locking up people for cocaine use is not going to do anything positive either.

I'm not an advocate for class a drugs either - I mean I don't do any drugs legal or otherwise. But that's my choice - and as long as other peoples use doesn't negatively impact upon me I'm more than fine about them using.

[Wilso8948]

A lot of perfect people on the forum today.

[pv4]

What the **** do you mean by those lifestyles ? I know doctors, lawyers, stockbrokers, merchant bankers, and many other categories of people that are users. I even know an anaesthetist that's been a heroin user for over 20 years?
And guess what - all good people, all devoted to their families, all contributing more to society than any of us would do in a dozen lifetimes. [spending wise for the banker types].
Why would you want to lock them up ? because of some stupid law ?
This law is wrong - just like those pertaining to same sex relations, race, and a host of other things.
We should educate people about the reasons not to use drugs - not simply lock them up.
Capital punishment hasn't done shit to lower murder rates in the US and locking up people for cocaine use is not going to do anything positive either.

I'm not an advocate for class a drugs either - I mean I don't do any drugs legal or otherwise. But that's my choice - and as long as other peoples use doesn't negatively impact upon me I'm more than fine about them using.

By "those lifestyles" I mean the ones that you said "but what about these guys whom have kids etc". And by lifestyle choices I mean "people who choose to take illegal drugs". Whether people have kids, have jobs, contribute or not to society, are famous, whatever - if you get caught doing illegal stuff you should be dealt as harshly as anyone else. The rules say you go to jail, so send them all to jail.

Like I keep saying, I am not smart enough to argue what should and shouldn't be illegal.

I just find it fxxxing stupid to cry foul over being caught doing something illegal and being dealt the known consequences. If you do illegal shit and get caught doing it, I don't understand how you can kick up a stink about the consequences. That makes zero sense to me.

There are people in the world whom are racist, or murder people, or all kinds of shit that doesn't impact on me but I'm not exactly going to say I am fine about it.

[plague]

I just find it fxxxing stupid to cry foul over being caught doing something illegal and being dealt the known consequences. If you do illegal shit and get caught doing it, I don't understand how you can kick up a stink about the consequences. That makes zero sense to me.

im actually fine if someone breaks the rules if the rules and punishments are explicitly set out in a players contract etc.

what im dead against are the interpretations of this "bringing the game into disrepute" law which is at the mercy of the mood of the arbiter.

but then y'all have got to be in favour of mandatory sentencing right?

[pv4]

im actually fine if someone breaks the rules if the rules and punishments are explicitly set out in a players contract etc.

what im dead against are the interpretations of this "bringing the game into disrepute" law which is at the mercy of the mood of the arbiter.

but then y'all have got to be in favour of mandatory sentencing right?

100% re arbiter & interpretations from the sporting side of this just need to be a blanket rule, set example and stick to precedent.

I reckon minimum penalties are a great thing, within reason.

[The Dunster]

Remember the good old days when you could piss into your own mouth and not have to worry about your contract being ripped up.

[q-money]

:rof:

[The Dunster]

100% re arbiter & interpretations from the sporting side of this just need to be a blanket rule, set example and stick to precedent.

I reckon minimum penalties are a great thing, within reason.

The within reason part means you think it's not. Because mandatory sentencing is what you apply when you don't want to rely on logic and reasoning on a case by case basis.

[pv4]

The within reason part means you think it's not. Because mandatory sentencing is what you apply when you don't want to rely on logic and reasoning on a case by case basis.

The way i understand mandatory sentencing is you can't sentence someone to higher or lower for an offence.

Hence why I didn't say I was a fan of mandatory sentencing, but said i think minimum sentencing is a great thing. Because if things are more severe, i reckon a judge should be able to put a person away for longer. Much like how a red card has an automatic 1 week suspension unless added on, right?

I mean take Mitch nichols' case. I read he had "3 bags" of cocaine on him. Should he be treated harsher than someone with "1 bag"? Yes, yes he should imo. But 1 or 3, there should be a minimum punishment.

When i said within reason i was referring moreso to length of sentences and whom/how/etc they formulated that timeframe, how to define all the different types of crimes, etc.

[MFKS]

What the **** do you mean by those lifestyles ? I know doctors, lawyers, stockbrokers, merchant bankers, and many other categories of people that are users. I even know an anaesthetist that's been a heroin user for over 20 years?
And guess what - all good people, all devoted to their families, all contributing more to society than any of us would do in a dozen lifetimes. [spending wise for the banker types].
Why would you want to lock them up ? because of some stupid law ?
This law is wrong - just like those pertaining to same sex relations, race, and a host of other things.
We should educate people about the reasons not to use drugs - not simply lock them up.
Capital punishment hasn't done shit to lower murder rates in the US and locking up people for cocaine use is not going to do anything positive either.

I'm not an advocate for class a drugs either - I mean I don't do any drugs legal or otherwise. But that's my choice - and as long as other peoples use doesn't negatively impact upon me I'm more than fine about them using.

I sure you will change your opinion on being fine about other people's drug use when you have to deal with a meth head off their dial

But it ok

As long as they not affecting you attitude they can do what they like Hey


Hey where that place I read about Phillipines
The President over there has the police running around shooting all the drug users and dealers

Be a great policy here if all the cops were dealing with the druggos scum in society appropriately rather than giving them a slap on the wrist like they do

Then they wouldn't be bothering me or you and the gene pool will evolve

[Jetmaster]

This is a good line.


If you do illegal shit and get caught doing it, I don't understand how you can kick up a stink about the consequences. That makes zero sense to me.

It's illegal, end of. No point saying the law is wrong - it is the law now and you abide by it.

It's a bit like these lefties that constantly whinge about Trump - "he ain't my president". He won a democratic election by the rules that everyone knew beforehand - no point crying afterwards.

[plague]

It's illegal, end of. No point saying the law is wrong - it is the law now and you abide by it.


Because we are cool copping parking fines and speeding fines huh?

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

I sure you will change your opinion on being fine about other people's drug use when you have to deal with a meth head off their dial

But it ok

As long as they not affecting you attitude they can do what they like Hey


Hey where that place I read about Phillipines
The President over there has the police running around shooting all the drug users and dealers

Be a great policy here if all the cops were dealing with the druggos scum in society appropriately rather than giving them a slap on the wrist like they do

Then they wouldn't be bothering me or you and the gene pool will evolve

I don't agree with the narrative of 'all people that takes drugs are druggo scum' or even 'all people with addiction issues are scum'.
Everything in life is contextual and without knowing that meth heads life context I don't reckon we have the right to judge.
My work involve working with a bunch of people with addictions that have done a lot of horrible shit, but soap boxing around the issue isn't a helpful dialogue.

Some people may get what you call a 'slap on the wrist' but if you look at funding for services for mental health and addiction they are sorely lacking and even those people that are ready to work on their issues don't have a hope in hell of supporting the services they need.

and with the gene pool evolving comment..just because you don't take drugs it doesn't mean your'e not a dick.

[pv4]

Because we are cool copping parking fines and speeding fines huh?

Topically on sunday i lost 2 points and $260 or so for breaking a road rule that i oblivuoisly had pretty much the exact opposite understanding of. But a dig thru the rule book and it clearly shows i was in the wrong

So according to dunsters theory do i keep doing it my way, get caught 6 times, lose my license, can't drive the young one to swimming lessons anymore and can't afford presents so cancel christmas.. and then blame the system?

Hell no. I stop doing it because i want the young one to be safe in the water. And every time i consciously decide to do my way in future i know the risk and consewuences

[Jetmaster]

Because we are cool copping parking fines and speeding fines huh?

Don't like it - of course not.

But I can't argue I've done wrong and always cop it sweet.

Nobody to blame but me.

[pv4]

Don't like it - of course not.

But I can't argue I've done wrong and always cop it sweet.

Nobody to blame but me.

Nah.. weed should be legal, fam blud

[MFKS]

I don't agree with the narrative of 'all people that takes drugs are druggo scum' or even 'all people with addiction issues are scum'.
Everything in life is contextual and without knowing that meth heads life context I don't reckon we have the right to judge.
My work involve working with a bunch of people with addictions that have done a lot of horrible shit, but soap boxing around the issue isn't a helpful dialogue.

Some people may get what you call a 'slap on the wrist' but if you look at funding for services for mental health and addiction they are sorely lacking and even those people that are ready to work on their issues don't have a hope in hell of supporting the services they need.

and with the gene pool evolving comment..just because you don't take drugs it doesn't mean your'e not a dick.

Why though does anyone have to pay to stop someone else's addiction??

Why in ****sname should my tax $$ be going to fund someone elses problem

It always someone elses problem to fix bar the idiot who was weak in the first place to dig their own hole and then expect someone else to dig them out without trying to fix it themselves

The cop out that addiction is hard to beat is a load of shit

It is all about will power and discipline

Any one can do it

Being mentally soft between the ears is this issue and giving up because it isn't easy

[plague]

Why though does anyone have to pay to stop someone else's addiction??

Why in ****sname should my tax $$ be going to fund someone elses problem

It always someone elses problem to fix bar the idiot who was weak in the first place to dig their own hole and then expect someone else to dig them out without trying to fix it themselves

The cop out that addiction is hard to beat is a load of shit

It is all about will power and discipline

Any one can do it

Being mentally soft between the ears is this issue and giving up because it isn't easy

Where are any of these cats battling 'addiction'?

While we at it why are my tax dollars helping the blind?

Plenty of Braille out there, and audio books.


oh and don't start me on those damn sooks and their lukeimia.

Harden up 'straya.

[hawk]

Where are any of these cats battling 'addiction'?

While we at it why are my tax dollars helping the blind?

Plenty of Braille out there, and audio books.


oh and don't start me on those damn sooks and their lukeimia.

Harden up 'straya.

Whoa there crying Q&A sympathiser, drugs is a choice

[plague]

Whoa there crying Q&A sympathiser, drugs is a choice

well then what about speeding drivers who crash, should the public system rehab them?

[The Dunster]

I sure you will change your opinion on being fine about other people's drug use when you have to deal with a meth head off their dial

But it ok

As long as they not affecting you attitude they can do what they like Hey


Hey where that place I read about Phillipines
The President over there has the police running around shooting all the drug users and dealers

Be a great policy here if all the cops were dealing with the druggos scum in society appropriately rather than giving them a slap on the wrist like they do

Then they wouldn't be bothering me or you and the gene pool will evolve

Cocaine being so expensive is the reason why meth exists. If you legalise cocaine the price drops dramatically and meth will lose most of its appeal.
Years ago weed was good fun and relatively easy to find. But the law went ballistic on weed and pushed people to cheaper though seriously dangerous alternatives. These days weeds considered hard core and as a consequence its relative price has increased a lot as to the potency of the drug - all because it's competing in a different market now than it was 40 years ago.
Legalise it all and all those problems go away. The current system of fines and so on simply does not work.
Educating people of the dangers and providing them an alternative lifestyle is a much better solution.

How about a policy of shooting Christians to lower the incidences of children being molested ? That makes about as much sense as your idea about shooting drug users.

EDIT: Can you even get pot these days that's not connected to a hydroponic strain ? We used to smoke and be laughing and eating anything we could find for several hours. Kids these days smoke the shit and vege out and run around like paranoid little ****s. Hence why I don't do pot anymore - it's no longer a fun drug.

[pv4]

The cop out that addiction is hard to beat is a load of shit

It is all about will power and discipline

Any one can do it

Being mentally soft between the ears is this issue and giving up because it isn't easy

That sounds overwhelmingly ignorant

[plague]

Hey where that place I read about Phillipines
The President over there has the police running around shooting all the drug users and dealers


same country that lets you rape your wife as long as you're married whether she's keen or not?

yeah that sounds like a great wagon to hitch your horse up to there Member.

[MFKS]

That sounds overwhelmingly ignorant

How is it ignorant ??

You want to lose weight eat better and exercise
Don't eat junk food and you will lose weight.

That cures fat ****s

You want to stop smoking??
Stop buying them and after a few days of not having them your addition is gone

That cures smoking ****s

You want to cure alcohol addition??
Stop pouring it down your throat

Problem solved

All solutions that are easy to.find

Problem is they all require the person to be mentally strong and disciplined and do it themselves

If they can't why does society put a hand around them and say it ok that they are failing something because they make excuses and give up??

Not acceptable

[MFKS]

Cocaine being so expensive is the reason why meth exists. If you legalise cocaine the price drops dramatically and meth will lose most of its appeal.
Years ago weed was good fun and relatively easy to find. But the law went ballistic on weed and pushed people to cheaper though seriously dangerous alternatives. These days weeds considered hard core and as a consequence its relative price has increased a lot as to the potency of the drug - all because it's competing in a different market now than it was 40 years ago.
Legalise it all and all those problems go away. The current system of fines and so on simply does not work.
Educating people of the dangers and providing them an alternative lifestyle is a much better solution.

How about a policy of shooting Christians to lower the incidences of children being molested ? That makes about as much sense as your idea about shooting drug users.

EDIT: Can you even get pot these days that's not connected to a hydroponic strain ? We used to smoke and be laughing and eating anything we could find for several hours. Kids these days smoke the shit and vege out and run around like paranoid little ****s. Hence why I don't do pot anymore - it's no longer a fun drug.

I all for shooting of those who molest kids
I sign up to that bandwagon

As for your drug comments about pricing
Well yeah people search out drugs based on price.

You drop the price of cocaine then everyone choose that over other stuff

That just simple market forces

I though don't think anyone is going back to weed full on if the government allow a ten foot forest in your back yard for personal use only

People seek out the drugs for the experience they get from them

They want the huge effect at minimal cost

That part you are going to have a hard time ever beating and marijuana don't supply that

[MFKS]

same country that lets you rape your wife as long as you're married whether she's keen or not?

yeah that sounds like a great wagon to hitch your horse up to there Member.

I wouldn't know about that policy in Phillipines I was just talking about the drug policy where even though it probably illegal in Phillipines law the President is more or less given his Police force a green light to terrorise the druggos in their society by putting them in body bags

I sure Phillipines has plenty of other society issues as well that they getting wrong

[pv4]

How is it ignorant ??

All solutions that are easy to.find

Problem is they all require the person to be mentally strong and disciplined and do it themselves

If they can't why does society put a hand around them and say it ok that they are failing something because they make excuses and give up??

Not acceptable

I find it ignorant that you think it is easy for these people, whom are clearly struggling.

You've "correctly" identified the fix, which is for people to be mentally strong & disciplined. But that's not easy for some, like you are trying to say. And that is what I find ignorant.

Using your quote:


I sure you will change your opinion on being fine about other people's drug use when you have to deal with a meth head off their dial

It sounds as if you haven't fully first-hand experienced people with mental health issues in a rehabilitation sense tbh. Because I sure you will change your opinion on assuming people with mental health issues can easily just get over it and don't need any help & support when you have to deal with a broken down person whom can't even muster up the physical or mental ability to even step foot outside their house that day.

[MFKS]

I find it ignorant that you think it is easy for these people, whom are clearly struggling.

You've "correctly" identified the fix, which is for people to be mentally strong & disciplined. But that's not easy for some, like you are trying to say. And that is what I find ignorant.

Using your quote:



It sounds as if you haven't fully first-hand experienced people with mental health issues in a rehabilitation sense tbh. Because I sure you will change your opinion on assuming people with mental health issues can easily just get over it and don't need any help & support when you have to deal with a broken down person whom can't even muster up the physical or mental ability to even step foot outside their house that day.
So if I have correctly identified that the fix is for the people to sort the issue out themselves by being disciplined and mentally strong then why the sympathy for those failing this??

Life isnt meant to be easy
Life is not fair

It up to you to deal with the issues you face

No one else

Why sympathy for someone who can't do something that the rest of society just deals with and gets on with ??

The ****ers in this country have opportunity
They not born into a 3rd world hell hole with war and violence gripping the country

They just piss weak

[Macca]

Yeah mental health issues such as depression are just excuses from losers.

Climate change just the greenies pulling the hood over everyone trying to ruin the world.

Vaccinations give people autism.

Government mind controls us through fluoride in the water.

What else we got.. Cancer could be cured if big pharma wasn't milking it for all its worth, governments in on it.

9/11, moon landings..

[plague]

Hang on a bit Member you all wanted us to help Mark Jones fix his addiction to losing.

Hypocrite.

[MFKS]

Hang on a bit Member you all wanted us to help Mark Jones fix his addiction to losing.

Hypocrite.

We all have an addiction to losing

Newcastle WhoLose don't forget

[plague]

We all have an addiction to losing


Not me.
I gave up.
You called me plastic for doing so.

Hypocrite.

[Macca]

Not me.
I gave up.
You called me plastic for doing so.

Hypocrite.

checkmate. Plague has the mental strength

[pv4]

So if I have correctly identified that the fix is for the people to sort the issue out themselves by being disciplined and mentally strong then why the sympathy for those failing this??

How often in work and home life do you identify fixes to issues but can't actually implement said fixes? I'd estimate this happens multiple times a day in everyones life. The fix to my "lack" of money is to win the lotto, but that's not achievable as easily as I would like to.

I don't wish mental health issues on any person and their supportive friends/family but part of me hopes you have to genuinely deal with this first hand (by first hand I mean either you with the issue or someone close to you that you need to be in and around their lives to help them get thru it) solely so you can have a less ignorant view on it.

[plague]

Hold up hold up.

Member.

Don't you believe in God?

Legit question: can an individuals mental strength overpower Gods will?
Cause if God decides yo a junkie aren't you trapped?

[Wilso8948]

Only in the Rugby League thread would the topic of 'raping one's wife' in the Philippines be brought up.

[Macca]

:popcorn:

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

How often in work and home life do you identify fixes to issues but can't actually implement said fixes? I'd estimate this happens multiple times a day in everyones life. The fix to my "lack" of money is to win the lotto, but that's not achievable as easily as I would like to.

I don't wish mental health issues on any person and their supportive friends/family but part of me hopes you have to genuinely deal with this first hand (by first hand I mean either you with the issue or someone close to you that you need to be in and around their lives to help them get thru it) solely so you can have a less ignorant view on it.

I have agreed with everything you have said in your posts PV4 bar one. I truly hope that no one close to the Member suffers from a mental illness as they wont get the support and acceptance they need to work through it.

And Dunster, I hear if you head out to Dudley they can hook you up with some non Hydro action (it's not my scene but I know enough 'weak' people to have some knowledge on the subject).

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Only in the Rugby League thread would the topic of 'raping one's wife' in the Philippines be brought up.

Some legit tangents on this forum hey.

[MFKS]

How often in work and home life do you identify fixes to issues but can't actually implement said fixes? I'd estimate this happens multiple times a day in everyones life. The fix to my "lack" of money is to win the lotto, but that's not achievable as easily as I would like to.

I don't wish mental health issues on any person and their supportive friends/family but part of me hopes you have to genuinely deal with this first hand (by first hand I mean either you with the issue or someone close to you that you need to be in and around their lives to help them get thru it) solely so you can have a less ignorant view on it.

As for your lack of money situation the winning lotto is a way of addressing it

But it the million to one chance that will occur

Here are some practical ways that you can address this right now
Change employment to better paying gig
Get another second job
Go through your expenses in life and sacrifice a few to free up some funds
Etc

All of them are easily achievable

They all require you to do something about it though

Just like curing an addiction or dealing with a problem it requires YOU to take responsibility and ownership and deal with it


Winning the lottery to achieve sorting ones money issues out is about as reliable a strategy as the thinking of those who refuse to show the discipline and mental effort required to deal with their issues and then throw their hands up and refuse to accept it can be done

[MFKS]

Hold up hold up.

Member.

Don't you believe in God?

Legit question: can an individuals mental strength overpower Gods will?
Cause if God decides yo a junkie aren't you trapped?

Jesus died on the cross for my sin's etc

So being he done that a while ago I pretty certain God is giving us the choice to sin

Sinners go to hell
Non Sinners go to heaven etc

[plague]

All of them areJust like curing an addiction or dealing with a problem it requires YOU to take responsibility and ownership and deal with it


Ok so what the hell are y'all doing at Church on a Sunday then?

Footy tips?

Aren't you all asking for guidance and help with your lives from someone?

Cause that 'kind' of sounds like people wanna do with the junkies yeah?

Man this religion stuff trips so many of you up.

I'm all for you practicing it, but man when you all are like "yo my God helps me out when I'm down but go get ****ed if you want me to help your non believing ass out".

It kind of makes your argument look a tad silly.

[plague]

and let's be clear, when I'm referencing 'God' here I'm referring to a non-Griff deity, which some of you believe in.

Because we all know there is only one true Almighty.

[plague]

Sinners go to hell
Non Sinners go to heaven etc

So me Andrew Johns and Mitch Nicolls are going to hell?

Dang.