Why Rugby League is crap

[pv4]

..........ignorant dribble......

Take Stu Musiliak's recent article in the papers:


At 26 and training on his own with no contract on the horizon, he increased his medication without consulting his doctor. He then signed with the Mariners under his former Olyroos coach Graham Arnold, but within weeks he was forced to walk away from the game he loved.

“When I signed with them I made the mistake of dropping my medication, halving it to where it was before I put it up a few months before.

“Then I spiralled and went to s---.

“I found out that doing what I did with my medication could have that effect, and I never really recovered from that. That medication had been working for me really well for four or five years. It stopped working for me, and then I had to go into hospital to come off that medication and go on to new medication, and that really took ’til now to get on top of that.

“I was in hospital numerous times because of my depression, and had lots of bouts of that shock therapy, ECT [electroconvulsive therapy]. I’ve lost count of how many times I had that. It’s been a real tough road, and without my family I don’t know that I would have got through it.

“I had a fair few bouts of the shock therapy in Newcastle. I tried new meds and it wasn’t working. I went down to Sydney and had some bouts of shock therapy in Sydney.

“It was getting me by, but it wasn’t actually working well enough to get me back to full health.

It's almost as if things fell apart when he didn't have the support network (ie changing drugs without doctors consultation). It also sounds like he had to take himself down a pretty hectic, medical-based path to cure his mental health issues, that took lots of time, effort, probably money, and most importantly support. But nah, Stu should have just sipped a cup of concrete a day, hardened the fxxx up on his own accord, and saved da memba's precious tax dollars, hey.

Memba - if you are solely on the windup in this thread, well played because you have well and truly wound me up. If these are your genuine views, I think on this topic you are an ignorant sub-human and next time I see you I'm giving you a good old slap in the face. Please confirm option A or B so I can prepare myself appropriately.

[The Dunster]

And Dunster, I hear if you head out to Dudley they can hook you up with some non Hydro action (it's not my scene but I know enough 'weak' people to have some knowledge on the subject).

It's a pretty clever bit of marketing as well - because unless their clients started smoking 40 years or more ago it's unlikely they'd know if it was the real deal or not. Magic Beans, or Emperors coat sort of stuff.

I'll stick with the espressos.

[MFKS]

Take Stu Musiliak's recent article in the papers:



It's almost as if things fell apart when he didn't have the support network (ie changing drugs without doctors consultation). It also sounds like he had to take himself down a pretty hectic, medical-based path to cure his mental health issues, that took lots of time, effort, probably money, and most importantly support. But nah, Stu should have just sipped a cup of concrete a day, hardened the fxxx up on his own accord, and saved da memba's precious tax dollars, hey.

Memba - if you are solely on the windup in this thread, well played because you have well and truly wound me up. If these are your genuine views, I think on this topic you are an ignorant sub-human and next time I see you I'm giving you a good old slap in the face. Please confirm option A or B so I can prepare myself appropriately.

I best bring a helmet then
:rof:

But your example of Musialik shows that he made the decisions that dug the hole much much deeper

It was him who chose to give up on his medication
That is still his choice

The consequences that occurred are still down to his decision making

I also backing in the next 10 years he found himself in this hole he also made other decisions that kept him in it and made things worse

If he had a hectic journey to dig himself out of the hole he found his life in then exactly how is anyone else responsible for that other than him??

Life is full of choices

You have to assess it all and make a decision

Make the wrong ones

Pay the consequences

[MFKS]

Ok so what the hell are y'all doing at Church on a Sunday then?

Footy tips?

Aren't you all asking for guidance and help with your lives from someone?

Cause that 'kind' of sounds like people wanna do with the junkies yeah?

Man this religion stuff trips so many of you up.

I'm all for you practicing it, but man when you all are like "yo my God helps me out when I'm down but go get ****ed if you want me to help your non believing ass out".

It kind of makes your argument look a tad silly.

Guidance??

A junkie asking for help getting off drugs still requires him to take the action necessary regardless of what wonderful consultants offer

Same as anyone praying to God looking for answers
Still have to take the necessary steps

Just so we clear I couldn't give two ****s about people asking for help and advice

I though believe in the taking responsibility for your own choices and not making excuses for it

[skippy]

"I am the light of the world,
He who followeth me shall not WANK in darkness
But have the light of LIFE"

HAHAHAHAHAHA...

If god is so great why all the suffering in the world? What did all little kids do so wrong that the catholic priests made them fiddle with them? Why did the church deem it necessary to help cover their own arses?

[plague]

Ok can I just wander off for a second before we get into 'this'.

I don't believe in God, but absolutely respect anyone's right if they do. I'll ask legit questions of the Member about this stuff because I'm genuinely fascinated.

But can we please please please not get into too much mockingbof either religion itself, or the people who practice it.

Let's try and keep it about the bigger issue.

[plague]

Having said that.

So why are people going to Church? I find it puzzling that on one hand they believe there is someone/something there to 'guide'/'help' them, but then you tell me all the answers are internal and it's all on the individual.


Same goes for bible quotes ect.

Are religious texts there for any other reason or do they also tell you that it's all back on the individual?

[MFKS]

How de **** did this turn into the politics thread??

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

It's a pretty clever bit of marketing as well - because unless their clients started smoking 40 years or more ago it's unlikely they'd know if it was the real deal or not. Magic Beans, or Emperors coat sort of stuff.

I'll stick with the espressos.

Their clients did. They are all of a more seasoned age than my good self.

[pv4]

Having said that.

So why are people going to Church? I find it puzzling that on one hand they believe there is someone/something there to 'guide'/'help' them, but then you tell me all the answers are internal and it's all on the individual.


Same goes for bible quotes ect.

Are religious texts there for any other reason or do they also tell you that it's all back on the individual?

And how does grace come into all this?

http://www.allaboutgod.com/definition-of-gods-grace-faq.htm


This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus

Are all people suffering mental health issues, sinning thru drug use etc, justified freely by "god's" grace thru the redemption that came by "Jesus"?

[pv4]

How de **** did this turn into the politics thread??

It's better than discussing the actual topic tbf

[Jetmaster]

Oh by the way - rugby league is crap.

:popcorn:

[plague]

How de **** did this turn into the politics thread??

Because you keep getting kicked out of that one. We trying to hide you over here for a bit.

[MFKS]

Because you keep getting kicked out of that one. We trying to hide you over here for a bit.

Hey I leaving the country in 7 ****ing hours

I trying to steer clear of getting banned in the meantime ok bruh??

I have more pressing things like wondering how blotto I getting in Honkers tomorrow??

[Wilso8948]

Just wondering.. how many of you lot bagging the junkies and addictions etc.. really just fat ****s who punch away copious amounts of sugar each day and contribute just as much strain on the health system?

[turbojetfireV8]

Oh my gawd, those mongs from the NRL are presenting some minor team selection announcement as if it was the FIFA World Cup draw... WTF???

[StannyCFCJET]

Oh my gawd, those mongs from the NRL are presenting some minor team selection announcement as if it was the FIFA World Cup draw... WTF???

SOO is close to if Not the biggest sporting event in Australia tbf

[Jetmaster]

Oh my gawd, those mongs from the NRL are presenting some minor team selection announcement as if it was the FIFA World Cup draw... WTF???

I had a small snicker seeing that on "your rugby league station" NBN last night - "and now we cross live to Star City for the announcement of the team and SOO captain", some bloke who I honestly had never heard of. At a pinch I might accept it if it was the cricket captain.

So 5 minutes of that, then some other sport. No mention of the Socceroos squad and 30 seconds of the EPL final day and Chelski lifting the trophy.

Then there was an ad and after the break - "and now to NRL".......I know why they do it but it grates.


SOO is close to if Not the biggest sporting event in Australia tbf

The UEFA Champions League Final is one of the biggest sporting events on the planet - wait till you see the coverage it gets on Nein News next week. An interview with an NRL player talking about his personal struggles in reserve grade will get more air time.

[pv4]

Apparently porksey's mate, whom dry-humped the small dog and had it filmed and sent public, is in this State of Origin NSW squad.

[plague]

I had a small snicker seeing that on "your rugby league station" NBN last night - "and now we cross live to Star City for the announcement of the team and SOO captain", some bloke who I honestly had never heard of. At a pinch I might accept it if it was the cricket captain.

So 5 minutes of that, then some other sport. No mention of the Socceroos squad and 30 seconds of the EPL final day and Chelski lifting the trophy.

Then there was an ad and after the break - "and now to NRL".......I know why they do it but it grates.



The UEFA Champions League Final is one of the biggest sporting events on the planet - wait till you see the coverage it gets on Nein News next week. An interview with an NRL player talking about his personal struggles in reserve grade will get more air time.

Why do you get so salty at something you claim to have no interest and no understanding of?

It's a pretty unhealthy way to live your life. It's not necessary.

Just change the channel. Plenty more places to get your news. Go find them it will make you less cranky.

Cheers,
Plague.

[WolfMan]

I had a small snicker

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[plague]

5 star post.

Have shown to friends/family etc.

Well in sir.

[Jetmaster]

Why do you get so salty at something you claim to have no interest and no understanding of?

It's a pretty unhealthy way to live your life. It's not necessary.

Just change the channel. Plenty more places to get your news. Go find them it will make you less cranky.

Cheers,
Plague.

Wish I could mate.....but its dinner time and the bogans in my household want it on in the background every night.

Only relief is when there are A-League games on.

Such is life.

[plague]

Wish I could mate.....but its dinner time and the bogans in my household want it on in the background every night.

Only relief is when there are A-League games on.

Such is life.

So turn off the tv and have a conversation and try and convert your bogan brethren.

Serious though:
Actually is that a thing? Do people have the telly on during dinner?

[pv4]

Serious though:
Actually is that a thing? Do people have the telly on during dinner?

Our house it's a cold hard no, except for when the news is on and there is something "important" we are listening out for.

[Jetmaster]

Truly enjoying the Knoughts implosion.

For the lolz check out the Herald comments - Knoughts have their own Membah, called "Seano".

Difference is Seano thinks all is hunky dory in Knightsland and won't hear a bad word without rabidly responding on behalf of "the boys".

[Jeterpool]

The continued failure of the Knights has opened the door for the Jets, but so far we haven't stepped through.

Newcastle haven't had any sort of success from their sporting teams for years - hopefully the Jets can start winning and gaining the ascendancy in the region because once Wests take over the Knights, I believe they will sort them out.

[plague]

The Knights are way closer to being successful (esp long term) than the Jets.
Hey have also been much more transparent at managerial level which will buy you a lot more sympathy from your fans vs treating them like garbage.

Rugby League is much easier to win with the addition of a couple of key pieces. On field the Knights are much closer than the Jets.

Again though, why anyone ever thinks that it has to be 'them' or 'us' astounds me. If both teams are successful the support will be there. It's only ever a very small group of wankers in both sports who seem to think otherwise.

[Jeterpool]

Again though, why anyone ever thinks that it has to be 'them' or 'us' astounds me. If both teams are successful the support will be there.

That's true. Support will be there.

For me, the difference is in the corporate dollars.

[steve136]

The Knights are way closer to being successful (esp long term) than the Jets.
Hey have also been much more transparent at managerial level which will buy you a lot more sympathy from your fans vs treating them like garbage.

Rugby League is much easier to win with the addition of a couple of key pieces. On field the Knights are much closer than the Jets.

Again though, why anyone ever thinks that it has to be 'them' or 'us' astounds me. If both teams are successful the support will be there. It's only ever a very small group of wankers in both sports who seem to think otherwise.

Wrong. The Knights have gone into a rebuild, but mistakenly believe this means bringing in youth, when rebuild means you bring in quality. Now they have a bunch of sh*t 20 years olds that in five years time will be sh*t 25 year olds. Hardly a bright future.

[plague]

That's true. Support will be there.

For me, the difference is in the corporate dollars.

Yeah again though that's been a Jets failure since day 1.

team could be killing the comp yet if the admin treats local business like it has since day 1 then they'll never get anywhere near the Knights.

Again, the Knights made everyone with a small biz happy to chip in a bit extra feel like they belonged to the club.

Jets want to be in the 'sales' business, Knights have always been in the 'reorder' business.

There's a huge difference.

[plague]

Funny part is the V8's gonna come to town and teach both clubs how to do corporate properly.

Those guys are the best in Aust sport by a mile.

But as usual they'll get sneered at as bogans etc etc etc.

[The Dunster]

Funny part is the V8's gonna come to town and teach both clubs how to do corporate properly.

Those guys are the best in Aust sport by a mile.

But as usual they'll get sneered at as bogans etc etc etc.

True - but it's also an example of the price you have to pay in staying financially viable as well.

Hard to explain but it used to be a very family orientated sport where we all knew and looked out for each other - today everyone is just a number who's value is determined by how much coin the corporate machine can shake out of you.

Admittedly, things had to change and without the current setup we'd have nothing - but it's all just so sterile and lifeless now that I would be lucky to watch 10mins of it a year let alone turn up to meetings.

How people can be loyal to a team / brand these days is beyond me when the cars are all practically identical apart from the badge on the grill.

I can remember seeing E49 vs GTHO vs Monaro vs XU1 - that was racing.

We should also remember that it was also corporate types who played a big part in closing down so many of our tracks over the past 40 years as well.

[plague]

Without disagreeing with you about the old timey days I'll make a few points.

As a group, V8 drivers are by far the most marketable and accessible athletes in Australian sport (a mandated policy btw).

Agree on the 'level of racing'. As with any sport trying to achieve parity, the one team with 'an' advantage automatically has 'all' the advantage. (Sub in 'money' there also).

Newcastle is a great example of what they do right though.

Street tracks generally are 'bad' for racing (lack of overtaking etc). A better race for the purists could have been held elsewhere in the city area on wider roads with better opportunities for competition. But the visuals of the track around the beach. The access for fans to facilities, hotels, transport, and the appeal to corporate support, let alone how stunning it will look on TV meant that Newcastle CBD was the perfect option to have the race.

So what the V8's did was essentially sacrifice the purity of the race itself in order to enhance the whole sport.

I think that's pretty brilliant thinking, and I'm amiss to think it happens in any other sport on that level.

Smart people.

[The Dunster]

The drivers were always accessible - probably more so in the past than they are today - simply because the drivers in the early 1980's out numbered the spectators.

[q-money]

how many slabs can you bury in the park at newy beach before the constabulary get wind of it?

[plague]

The drivers were always accessible - probably more so in the past than they are today - simply because the drivers in the early 1980's out numbered the spectators.

Oh yeah but I was comparing them to modern day 'football' players who just don't seem to understand the role of media in promoting the sport.

Yes there 'exceptions' in each code but as a whole I'd rate them all pretty poorly.

[plague]

how many slabs can you bury in the park at newy beach before the constabulary get wind of it?

Find yo self a mate with an apartment on track.

Old Warren Smith will be combing those beaches nice and early to scoop up any contraband.

[Jetmaster]

What has this V8 love got to do with rugby league?

[The Dunster]

Oh yeah but I was comparing them to modern day 'football' players who just don't seem to understand the role of media in promoting the sport.

Yes there 'exceptions' in each code but as a whole I'd rate them all pretty poorly.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKZHbGszZDQ

[plague]

What has this V8 love got to do with rugby league?

footy sux

[WolfMan]

how many slabs can you bury in the park at newy beach before the constabulary get wind of it?

I dunno.... I once "outsmarted" the NYE regiment by walking around past where the Grain Store is now, and dropping my esky over the other side of the railing into a garden bed.

Proceeded to get pummelled by about 8x teenage boys later in the evening, good times

[hawk]

What has this V8 love got to do with rugby league?

Hmmmm join the dots. simple cunce can rejoice all in one town

[MFKS]

Anyone catch the Drugby League game today??


Wonder how many dead Knights fans there will be after that effort


**** I think they have raised the bar and Bert Boogaard and the boys need to step up

Gee that will take some topping even for us

[Tommyjet]

Anyone catch the Drugby League game today??


Wonder how many dead Knights fans there will be after that effort


**** I think they have raised the bar and Bert Boogaard and the boys need to step up

Gee that will take some topping even for us

I dont watch much league but watching the end 20 minutes or so of that game it just felt like i, like many others, knew the knights would find a way to lose that game

[plague]

I dont watch much league but watching the end 20 minutes or so of that game it just felt like i, like many others, knew the knights would find a way to lose that game

I don't watch Rugby League except I just happen to be watching when it's time to laugh about something to do with it.

[MFKS]

I dont watch much league but watching the end 20 minutes or so of that game it just felt like i, like many others, knew the knights would find a way to lose that game

Reminded me of that game in Brisvegas where the Gypos choked in the final 4 mins or the 99 UCL final where Bayern imploded in Injury Time after dominating the game

[boz-monaut]

what sort of plastic fan thinks that a game of rapist ball bears any resembelence to one of the greatest miracles of all time?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X1aaFyNBMg

absolute disc race

Griff would be rolling in his new swimming pool

[Bon]

how many slabs can you bury in the park at newy beach before the constabulary get wind of it?


Find yo self a mate with an apartment on track.

Old Warren Smith will be combing those beaches nice and early to scoop up any contraband.

How many you need me to "store"?

[Jetmaster]

So just got my letter from Wests about taking over the Knights. After rambling how great the move is and that Wests "recommends" members support the resolution You are told to attend any West club in the next two weeks and vote "Yes".

How the f&*^ do you vote "no"?

Doesn't say and doesn't say what numbers are required either - fix!

[Jeterpool]

So just got my letter from Wests about taking over the Knights. After rambling how great the move is and that Wests "recommends" members support the resolution You are told to attend any West club in the next two weeks and vote "Yes".

How the f&*^ do you vote "no"?

Doesn't say and doesn't say what numbers are required either - fix!

Dodgy dodgy dodgy.

I look forward to attending my local club to vote.

[StannyCFCJET]

So just got my letter from Wests about taking over the Knights. After rambling how great the move is and that Wests "recommends" members support the resolution You are told to attend any West club in the next two weeks and vote "Yes".

How the f&*^ do you vote "no"?

Doesn't say and doesn't say what numbers are required either - fix!

Why would you vote no? There is no benefit from voting no and like or not Newcastle needs to Knights, Their fans have had it worse then we have had I reckon and the Knights deserve the chance to start fresh like we are doing with Mr Lee

[MFKS]

Why would you vote no? There is no benefit from voting no and like or not Newcastle needs to Knights, Their fans have had it worse then we have had I reckon and the Knights deserve the chance to start fresh like we are doing with Mr Lee

What do you mean they have it worse??

They may have had 3 shit years on the trot but dont forget they made the playoffs in the last 5 years and got some wins and made it to a GF qualifier

At least their fans had the dream of winning it all

When the **** have we even got close to making the ****ing semis seriously???

[StannyCFCJET]

What do you mean they have it worse??

They may have had 3 shit years on the trot but dont forget they made the playoffs in the last 5 years and got some wins and made it to a GF qualifier

At least their fans had the dream of winning it all

When the **** have we even got close to making the ****ing semis seriously???

Theve been shit for longer then that. Bennet had one fluke season. Not to mention theve won like 3 games in 3 seasons or something like that

[Jetmaster]

Why would you vote no?

Because of the title of this thread.

I have no time for the Knights, their moronic old fans, their drug culture, their "we own this city" attitude, their "we wuz robbed" whining when they lose and their inability to sort themselves out without saying they were wrong. And because of them we lost our colours.

Wests can do better - I would vote "yes" for an entirely new NRL franchise in Newcastle. The old one has too much baggage.

[The Dunster]

The only people that go to Wests are fat chicks and blokes to lazy to have a wank.

[MFKS]

The only people that go to Wests are fat chicks and blokes to lazy to have a wank.

Harsh but fair

[StannyCFCJET]

The only people that go to Wests are fat chicks and blokes to lazy to have a wank.

Or people that want cheap drinks without all the gronks you meet in town

[The Dunster]

Or people that want cheap drinks without all the gronks you meet in town

You don't have fridge in the caravan ?

[skippy]

The only people that go to Wests are fat chicks and blokes to lazy to have a wank.

Need to bring back grab a granny downstairs.

[MFKS]

Need to bring back grab a granny downstairs.

Actually what needs to come back at West's is what they used to have at the joint in town when it was the Workers Club in the 90s on a Saturday night

World's Biggest Disco

Or the jump club

Everyone got a start in there

[Jetmaster]

Dodgy dodgy dodgy.

I look forward to attending my local club to vote.

So, reading the Herald this morning you can vote no, but how they decide the result is clear as mud.

* You must attend a club to vote personally and must live in the region (that's over half the members gone already).
* Knights fans can vote if they stump up $12 on the day to join.
* There is no members forum or debate beforehand (remember the Hunter Mariners rallies?)
* There is no set percentage for a result - that will be decided AFTER the vote is in and depends on the numbers
* Yet to decide what a "non-vote" means!

Sounds like a Jets job....bizarrely Wests look like they want to push this though quietly. Can see it getting up 3000 to 2000 and 90,000 members not voting.

[The Dunster]

How will Wests taking over the Knights affect the Jets with respect to the stadium ?

[Jetmaster]

How will Wests taking over the Knights affect the Jets with respect to the stadium ?

Shouldn't matter - both clubs are tenants of the government.

[Jeterpool]

* There is no set percentage for a result - that will be decided AFTER the vote is in and depends on the numbers

That's the bit that worries me.

I did vote "Yes", despite thinking I was going to vote "No". My logic was that though I'm not a fan at all of the sport, it makes their fans happy going and watching the team. If it were the Jets in this position, I'd want people to vote Yes because I think Wests will make them a success.

[Jeterpool]

Shouldn't matter - both clubs are tenants of the government.

Yes - you're right. It would depend on the terms of the contract each party has for the rental.

[plague]

That's the bit that worries me.

I did vote "Yes", despite thinking I was going to vote "No". My logic was that though I'm not a fan at all of the sport, it makes their fans happy going and watching the team. If it were the Jets in this position, I'd want people to vote Yes because I think Wests will make them a success.

But isn't the public vote just an indicator of whether the club 'should' be interested or not?

I was under the impression if the board gives it the ok then it goes ahead.

[Jeterpool]

But isn't the public vote just an indicator of whether the club 'should' be interested or not?

I was under the impression if the board gives it the ok then it goes ahead.

They have the power to just approve it. I think the vote is just a consultation exercise - which doesn't mean consensus and they can do what they want regardless.

[plague]

They have the power to just approve it. I think the vote is just a consultation exercise - which doesn't mean consensus and they can do what they want regardless.

Yeah that's what I thought.
Such a cowardly process.
People love having the name tags and title on the resume but the second it comes to making a big decision with consequences on all sides they all of a sudden don't wanna be the boss anymore.

[Macca]

Did someone say plebiscite?

[plague]

Did someone say plebiscite?

Yup

[Bon]

Did someone say plebiscite?

You got the first four letters right for them..

[MFKS]

Yeah that's what I thought.
Such a cowardly process.
People love having the name tags and title on the resume but the second it comes to making a big decision with consequences on all sides they all of a sudden don't wanna be the boss anymore.

But purchasing the NRL side isn't really the core business of West's

It a loss making activity

If they going to do it for public goodwill etc

At least run it past the members

That way they can't say they weren't consulted

[plague]

But purchasing the NRL side isn't really the core business of West's

It a loss making activity

If they going to do it for public goodwill etc

At least run it past the members

That way they can't say they weren't consulted

Man oh man you got so much wrong in such a short space good job good effort.

[plague]

On another note I actually went to the Knights game on the weekend.
Hadn't been to a game in years.
Just under 12k there.
Man o man have things changed. Nothing like I remember it as a kid.

[Jeterpool]

On another note I actually went to the Knights game on the weekend.
Hadn't been to a game in years.
Just under 12k there.
Man o man have things changed. Nothing like I remember it as a kid.

For better or for worse? I think the last game I went to was prior to my wedding - so I'd say around 6 years ago.

[StannyCFCJET]

On another note I actually went to the Knights game on the weekend.
Hadn't been to a game in years.
Just under 12k there.
Man o man have things changed. Nothing like I remember it as a kid.

Ive been to few at least the Knights players make up for lack of quality and skill with massive efforts every week. The Jerks could learn a few things

[plague]

For better or for worse?

Atmosphere was way worse. Maybe it was crowd numbers, maybe it's the acoustics in the stadium.

The pre match stuff is just that same dude as the Jets shouting nonsense and they played terrible music over the PA during breaks which was a really poor attempt at an NFL type hype thing but was so poorly executed it wasn't funny.

However as Stanny said whenever the players got stuck in the crowd immediately responded. They celebrated scoring and obviously the win. Small things like Gagai hi fiving kids while running up the tunnel had people (mostly kids) amped up.

Oh and I know there's a section on here that always hated the NEWCASTLE chant, but man it got everyone involved every time it sparked up.

this is probably as low as the Knights will get yet we left there pretty happy they won. I was certainly pretty proud seeing those dudes get a win after everything they've been through.

The chance for the Jets to recapture what they had is also there, but they are still way behind the Knights in terms of community connection.

[plague]

Also of note 1 kid and 1 manchild ticket in the western stand was over $70 I think. I find it interesting the NRL ticket prices don't ever 'seem' to matter. I know the Jets have always promoted the value of their tickets but maybe again, win some damn games and the rest will take care of itself.

[MFKS]

Also of note 1 kid and 1 manchild ticket in the western stand was over $70 I think. I find it interesting the NRL ticket prices don't ever 'seem' to matter. I know the Jets have always promoted the value of their tickets but maybe again, win some damn games and the rest will take care of itself.

That being said the walk up prices to HEAL games though are obscene really

To watch the Jets on the road some of the prices you pay I just cringe when I see it

We getting arse raped in the park anyway so being charged top dollar to see it is adding insult to injury

[MFKS]

Man oh man you got so much wrong in such a short space good job good effort.

No I got it spot on

It just good PR on the boards side to run it past the moron members so it all sweet when shit turns sour and the Knights are deemed a basket case that even West's can't make work

[plague]

No I got it spot on



OK, lets go through it.

But purchasing the NRL side isn't really the core business of West's
Wests was literally set up to promote and fund the growth and administration of Rugby League in the Hunter. Thats their own words. Also, from Wests point of view there is no 'purchase', its a 'takeover'. Those are two very very different terms. Also, the Wests group propaganda on the takeover states that they believe the increase in NRL funding kicking in from next year will see the Knights immediately break even at an operational level, and thats without any projected revenue increases from sponsorship, gate takings etc.


It a loss making activity Ok, so as a Leagues Club Wests cant 'make' money. Any profit earned has to be reinvested in the community. Wests original aim being Rugby League means it would make sense to invest that profit into a rugby league team. So any dollar made form their 'money making ventures' be it pokies gym or restaurants HAS to then be sent to a 'loss making' venture in order to balance the books. Wests is literally involved in dozens of 'loss making' ventures.


If they going to do it for public goodwill etc
At least run it past the members
That way they can't say they weren't consulted
The process is that the board has to rubber stamp it, then it gets voted on by the members. Any major decision from the board HAS to be ratified. So they HAVE to consult (like they did paying $15m on the Workers club, or the $6m they are contemplating bailing out Belmont Sporties for......oh hang on is that Wests dealing with a loss making venture say it aint so). This idea of 'get the members to vote' then 'go to the board' then 'get the members to vote' is unecessary and a cop out.

that was my point.
and it was right.

and you, once again, are terribly wrong.


good day.

[boz-monaut]

Craig Izzard, former rugby league player, now corrupt illegal dumping official

just when you were wondering what crime an NRL player would get charged with next

[Jetmaster]

13,000 out of 120,000 Wests members voted.

Once the Knights Nannas and their ilk were allowed to join for a day and vote it was pretty pointless. The rest couldn't be arsed.

[Jeterpool]

13,000 out of 120,000 Wests members voted.

Once the Knights Nannas and their ilk were allowed to join for a day and vote it was pretty pointless. The rest couldn't be arsed.

To only allow the vote to happen for 1 week and voting to ONLY occur in person at the club was rather limiting.

93% is lower than I expected. But as has been said, it was just an exercise to say they "consulted the opinion of fans" and no percentage determined to say whether it would/wouldn't proceed. They were always going to go ahead, and I suspect this also contributed to the low numbers.

I wonder if their colours will be changed...

[Jetmaster]

They were always going to go ahead, and I suspect this also contributed to the low numbers.

It was obvious after day one and all the fanfare that this was going through - I couldn't be bothered driving 40kms during the work week to vote tbh.

Had the vote been 93% against they would have then called on the fact that most didn't vote.

[q-money]

bring back the little horses in the sports bar you spineless cowards

[Jeterpool]

bring back the little horses in the sports bar you spineless cowards

THIS x 1000!!!!

And the odds wheel. Used to love the guys that would sit there and write down the order trying to identify a pattern :rof:

[plague]

bring back the little horses in the sports bar you spineless cowards

Celebrating a win as your horse bolts 6 lengths clear only to have it stop 2 inches from the line and get swamped by the field was a rite of passage for all Newy youth.

No coincidence that since the horses were taken away terrorist attacks have skyrocketed.

[Jeterpool]

Top story on FoxSport is "the real reason why tallis bashed Ross".

I'm sorry, but isn't that considered assault? It comes a cross as a pre-meditated act to assault a persob.

[plague]

Top story on FoxSport is "the real reason why tallis bashed Ross".

I'm sorry, but isn't that considered assault?

nah, bloke prob def deserved it. might have looked at him funny or scored a try 3 years earlier or something.


to be fair the absolute worst humans ever with this stuff are baseball players.
they solve personal grudges by hurling a baseball 100mph at a defenseless head.

sport is so dumb

[boz-monaut]

Macklemore will get booed when he sings "Same Love" at this rapist fest over the weekend

[plague]

Macklemore will get booed when he sings "Same Love" at this rapist fest over the weekend

not at the game he wont.
they'll def drag a 'tweet' or some such shit from some knuckle dragger out in society and act like its the consensus.
then the usual suspects will weigh in and away we go for the off season.

[plague]

its actually like all the kerfuffle in the NFL at the moment with the Trump stuff.

the NFL are LOVING it, no matter how much they pretend otherwise.

[MFKS]

its actually like all the kerfuffle in the NFL at the moment with the Trump stuff.

the NFL are LOVING it, no matter how much they pretend otherwise.

It actually distracting from the fact that in their big week they can't sell out their big day

Of course they loving the distraction

[plague]

It actually distracting from the fact that in their big week they can't sell out their big day

Of course they loving the distraction

amen.

NRL HQ praying rednecks are buying tix just to boo the white boy rapper.

[The Dunster]

Who the **** is Macklemore ?

ffs just went on youtube - add this prick to the list alongide Kanye and all the other piss poor Curtis Mayfield impersonators .

[Jetmaster]

Who the **** is Macklemore ?

ffs just went on youtube - add this prick to the list alongide Kanye and all the other piss poor Curtis Mayfield impersonators .

No idea either - don't know where he is from our what he sings - and the NRL of course don't seem to realise the majority of the crowd will also have no idea.

Like it or lump it, at least a third of that crowd will not be voting yes according to the polls and stunts like this disengage those people and push the fencesitters who don't like being preached to. I'm with Sam Newman - leave the footy finals out of this and just let people tick their boxes.

[belchardo]

No idea either - don't know where he is from our what he sings - and the NRL of course don't seem to realise the majority of the crowd will also have no idea.

Like it or lump it, at least a third of that crowd will not be voting yes according to the polls and stunts like this disengage those people and push the fencesitters who don't like being preached to. I'm with Sam Newman - leave the footy finals out of this and just let people tick their boxes.

stunts? he would have been booked months ago, long before we were having a national opinion poll.

[MonkeyKplunk]

stunts? he would have been booked months ago, long before we were having a national opinion poll.

Agreed.
Being a part of the entertainment booking industry, this would have been booked close to 6 months ago.
It's not something you can just organise last minute

[hawk]

lol nrl ent always falls apart. rock on Billy mute man

[MFKS]

This white rapper is complete garbage

Where they find this clown??

[pv4]

This white rapper is complete garbage

Where they find this clown??

Equality for all m8

[fozphantom]

Go the Cap cheats
:brrr:

[Jeterpool]

Go the Cap cheats
:brrr:

This is a jets forum mate. I'm sure there's one for the Glory but all supporters are welcome.

[fozphantom]

Go the Cap cheats
:brrr:


This is a jets forum mate. I'm sure there's one for the Glory but all supporters are welcome.

i was taking the piss out of Storm actually.
cap cheating isn't restricted to just one code u know...

[Jeterpool]

i was taking the piss out of Storm actually.
cap cheating isn't restricted to just one code u know...

:facepalm:

[furns]

i was taking the piss out of Storm actually.
cap cheating isn't restricted to just one code u know...
Lol, sarcasm mate

[hawk]

Equality for all m8

You can dislike music without of bringingretarded politcs into it. btw he is a douche

[Jetmaster]

One of sports great non-events is on again...

1486

[leftrightout]

One of sports great non-events is on again...

1486

And we thought the advertising for the A-league was bad this year. I didn't even know the world cup was on or in Australia!
Such a sad thing that they have to attempt to do this!

[MFKS]

The fact that they are holding it is actually the best part of the joke

If I was a RL fan I would be insulted that they just don't kill the concept

It like celebrating getting Aids with a big party


It isn't relevant at all in the grand scheme of things behind Origin NRL Tests etc

Players even treat it is a farce too

[Jetmaster]

The odd thing is that they had a four nations last year - surely you just give the World Cup to the winner there and then.

If the players were actually all coming here representing their countries it might not be so bad but many of these teams are based on NRL players and their heritage. Some haven't even been to the country they represent!

[Grimario]

My favourite part is you can chop and change which country your represent any time you want. The number of defectees to Tonga or Samoa or whatever it is is laughable.

[plague]

You blokes all gonna be eating humble pie when China plays the USA in the final in a few years a bloke told me the sport is massive over there like a sleeping giant or something.

[Jeterpool]

You blokes all gonna be eating humble pie when China plays the USA in the final in a few years a bloke told me the sport is massive over there like a sleeping giant or something.

Posted in wrong thread - here you go

http://www.newcastlefootball.net/forum/showthread.php?95-Disc-Golf&p=176192#post176192

[The Dunster]

They hype up a match between two states where the criteria for eligibility to a state is laughable at best in terms of what "origin" means.

The world cup concept just confirms the madness.

[Jetmaster]

You blokes all gonna be eating humble pie when China plays the USA in the final in a few years a bloke told me the sport is massive over there like a sleeping giant or something.

I'm doing business in China now - believe me, they don't give a rats about eggball games. A soon as I say I'm from Newcastle 80% of them say "Joe Griffith".

[hawk]

You blokes all gonna be eating humble pie when China plays the USA in the final in a few years a bloke told me the sport is massive over there like a sleeping giant or something.

Not wrong. Billy Wanga, Cooper Sonk and Cameron Sing will carve up.

Im feeling very USA atm ill play with them this year.

[MFKS]

I'm doing business in China now - believe me, they don't give a rats about eggball games. A soon as I say I'm from Newcastle 80% of them say "Joe Griffith".

So any of them bring up the Ledman/ Martin Lee connection ??

[plague]

I'm doing business in China now - believe me, they don't give a rats about eggball games. A soon as I say I'm from Newcastle 80% of them say "Joe Griffith".

the **** is wrong with the other 20%?

[plague]

Im feeling very USA atm ill play with them this year.

just call chips french fries and you make the train on squad.

[MFKS]

**** on channel 3 news just said tomorrow's game is one of the biggest in the lives for the Aussie players

FMD try talking it up

I sure the druggos playing in Origin games and grand finals etc and not getting to play into the Mickey mouse tourney are devestated they not playing in this game

[hawk]

World cup? In what?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/27/23/30A4526700000578-3420071-image-a-135_1453936280651.jpg

[The Dunster]

World cup? In what?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/27/23/30A4526700000578-3420071-image-a-135_1453936280651.jpg

He'd be very popular in German porn.

[plague]

so far we seem to have had a great world cup.
- Brawls in the streets for days in Auckland
- italian players beating crap out of each other
- couple of scots sent home for being shitfaced before a team flight.
- oh and a players wife just got sentenced to 8 months jail for defrauding centrelink for 50k

[The Dunster]

so far we seem to have had a great world cup.
- Brawls in the streets for days in Auckland
- italian players beating crap out of each other
- couple of scots sent home for being shitfaced before a team flight.
- oh and a players wife just got sentenced to 8 months jail for defrauding centrelink for 50k

So nothing out of the ordinary then?

[pv4]

the **** is wrong with the other 20%?

Inquiry required

[plague]

Inquiry required

firing squad IMO

[q-money]

so far we seem to have had a great world cup.
- Brawls in the streets for days in Auckland
- italian players beating crap out of each other
- couple of scots sent home for being shitfaced before a team flight.
- oh and a players wife just got sentenced to 8 months jail for defrauding centrelink for 50k

deadset the greatest game on the planet

[plague]

deadset the greatest game on the planet

The live sites in Peking and Bombay have been cranking from what I’ve read.

[Jeterpool]

Is it still going?

[plague]

Is it still going?

just warming up mate.

they are playing in Darwin tonight obviously because no stadiums in sydney and melbourne could fit the crowd in.

[lquiquer]

just warming up mate.

they are playing in Darwin tonight obviously because no stadiums in sydney and melbourne could fit the crowd in.

Why are they playing in PNG?... doesn't make sense

[plague]

all that talk about Joey getting immortal status for taking a few pills but they forgot to screen the bloke that fiddled with a few kiddies back in the day.

greatest game of all apparently

[The Dunster]

all that talk about Joey getting immortal status for taking a few pills but they forgot to screen the bloke that fiddled with a few kiddies back in the day.

greatest game of all apparently

There has been rumours for years about another high profile / former great as well still involved in the game.

Whether or not there is any substance to it is another thing altogether.

In Langlands case he's not long for the world anyway nor is he capable of defending the charges against him.
As for the victims it's difficult to imagine how anything could ever ease their pain and suffering.
Especially when it takes 30 years or so for action to be taken.

[hawk]

Parramatta Eels recruit Tony Williams has been fined $1000 and had his driver's licence suspended for 12 months by a Sydney magistrate for being "shockingly intoxicated" while driving with three children in the car.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/shame-on-you-magistrate-tells-nrl-player-tony-williams-after-court-appearance-20180214-h0w2bs.html


"but im bigger than the world"

[Jetmaster]

So over this...another wrap on the knuckles.

Many years ago I was waiting for a chinese takeaway at a Kahibah restaurant. An extremely high profile Knights player staggered in, shirt untucked, to pick up his takeway. His wife and toddler in tow.

Obviously pissed as a nit, he proceeded to collect his order and go back to his car. His wife got in the back seat and he strapped the two year old in the FRONT seat, then got behind the wheel and slowly drove off.

I often wonder what could have happened...and such was his profile any cop pulling him over would have let him off with an autograph.

That changed my outlook on league boys forever....no thought for his family at all let alone others driving at the time.
One of the most bizarre experiences of my life.

[Jetmaster]

And the stupid part of Williams story....his lawyer asked for his license to be reinstated so he could get to training ffs.

[halo se7en]

And the stupid part of Williams story....his lawyer asked for his license to be reinstated so he could get to training ffs.

Obviously not league, but I remember Bernard Tomic got done years a few years ago for speeding. He lost his licence because he was already on a good behaviour period after previous traffic fines... then he proceeded to have a big cry because he wouldn't be able to get to tennis practice.

[boz-monaut]

holy shit, I just saw a thing on 7:30 on Matthew Lodge

bloke broke into a families home in New York and assulted the homeowners, not to mention a domestic violence conviction

now after jail and not paying the full compensation to the family, he's signed for the Brisbane Broncos, who say he's a good bloke because he's good at footy ay

you really think they can't get worse and then this sort of thing comes up time and time again

[plague]

holy shit, I just saw a thing on 7:30 on Matthew Lodge

bloke broke into a families home in New York and assulted the homeowners, not to mention a domestic violence conviction

now after jail and not paying the full compensation to the family, he's signed for the Brisbane Broncos, who say he's a good bloke because he's good at footy ay

you really think they can't get worse and then this sort of thing comes up time and time again

you are being nice and have given the most PG rated version of events.
anyone reading this post please go check out the detail on it. its beyond belief.

and from my understanding he has yet to pay ANY of the compo, let alone all of it.

there have been parallels made to a bloke named Russell Packer (footy head, beat a bloke up, went to jail, now back playing footy).
the one thing ill defend on that bloke was he served his time, showed genuine remorse and 'deserves' another chance to make a living.

this Lodge bloke has done nothing of the sort. How the hell this hasnt had sponsors/media/fans completely up in arms is a pretty sad indictment on the game of rugby league.

legit, a bloke who pretended to **** a dog, another who pissed his pants and another who pissed on his own face were run out of the game, this bloke threatens to kill a family then beats piss out of someone else just skates.

bizarre, cant wait for the lolz during 'women in league round'.

[parksey]

yeah it's an absolute disgrace

[plague]

oh and Lodge already has domestic violence charges against his girlfriend and a drink driving charge in his past.

But just like those Wanderers fans, hes cleaned up his act and is getting his life back in order...............right up until the next ****up.

[Jetmaster]

legit, a bloke who pretended to **** a dog, another who pissed his pants and another who pissed on his own face were run out of the game, this bloke threatens to kill a family then beats piss out of someone else just skates.


The dog rooter is now Knights captain - we now have some serious ethical ammo as the city's nice guys and family entertainers.

[Retro Jet]

Rugby League will never emulate the atmosphere and passion witnessed on Saturday night...
That's why we love 'The Beautiful Game'.

[StannyCFCJET]

I love my Rugby League not as much as Football but It's still great. Sure we have dickhead players but so does every code of sport

[Jetmaster]

I love my Rugby League not as much as Football but It's still great. Sure we have dickhead players but so does every code of sport

It's not what it was. I used to go down every couple of weekends to watch the big games in Sydney and absolutely loved it. It was tough, semi-professional and you could tell the difference between a half back and a prop forward. Scrums were a genuine battle for possession, and the "bomb" was used as shock tactic. Apart from when Hollywood Hartley reffed there was little controversy and there were "real" fights that were forgotten about soon after. Amazingly entertaining.

Then came Super League and the new professional, a lack of brain matter plus alcohol plus whatever supplements they take is a bad cocktail. Whereas many football clubs overseas allow their players to have private parties to keep the dickheads behind closed doors, these nut jobs are let loose in public. Every year there are several NRL player drug/alcohol/violence scandals but these guys are given "counselling" and told to get back out and play footy.

What finally did me was the Coffs Harbour scandal - I knew one of the guys on the case. The girl was paid off and two high profile players (one who is an "ornament" to the game) should both still be in the slammer for what they did to her.

I haven't watched a game since and guys like Lodge with all their veiled apologies make me sick - NRL fans who fall for all that stuff deserve the game.

[q-money]

the bloke's a piece of shit no doubt, but how do these yanks expect to get their compensation if this bloke isn't playing rugby league?

they'll be waiting a hell of a lot longer if he goes back to crushing rocks etc

[hawk]

I love low grubs who play and support Rugby League because we're morons. I like making excuses about other sports that are nowhere near as bad

Glad you finally worked it out. gutgw

[Buddha]

Anybody else watch the Knights last night? Nuh neither did I they're all fkwits

[plague]

Funny part was, for all the ‘excitement’ over the win, the football itself was very drab and boring. Everyone is conceding that Melbourne’s style is the only style.
Now this won’t matter while ever they get those wins, but if they hit a flat spot then things might get interesting.

[Buddha]

I didn’t expect much considering all the new players etc. just glad to see the kents have a dig and stand up in Defence finally

[StannyCFCJET]

Funny part was, for all the ‘excitement’ over the win, the football itself was very drab and boring. Everyone is conceding that Melbourne’s style is the only style.
Now this won’t matter while ever they get those wins, but if they hit a flat spot then things might get interesting.

Yeah nah Parra play the most exciting football in the league and have a good side that wins games. Not everyone needs to copy the storm to win

[Jetmaster]

Stick to the thread people....you want a thread to talk positive about eggball start one.

Plague started this one in 2012 with "boofheads, discuss".

Already today have bogans seeing me in a Jets polo going "carn da Nites"...ffs.

[Buddha]

Get em back the 10
Doing it all daaaaay
Get em onsiiiiide

That better?

[hawk]

Bogans going all ape over bully ball. Its over

[hawk]

Get em back the 10
Doing it all daaaaay
Get em onsiiiiide

That better?

givem aids and fk em off. thats better. egg ball is for cunce

[plague]

mongs

[StannyCFCJET]

More like Why are Parramatta shit

[hawk]

rising star Dylan Phythian was sacked by the club following a second positive drug test.

oops. another accident. Supporters must be so proud

[boz-monaut]

earlier in this thread I posed the question of what new crimes rugby league grubs would be charged with this season

smuggling wildlife isn't one I think many people would ahve expected but there you go

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/ex-nrl-player-martin-kennedy-pleads-guilty-over-his-role-in-a-wildlife-smuggling-ring-20180327-p4z6hr.html

what other crimes can they commit?

[belchardo]

there's a good few in here...

https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/act/1900/40/full

i like the odds of Clause 32 - "Impeding endeavours to escape shipwreck"

[Pakerson]

earlier in this thread I posed the question of what new crimes rugby league grubs would be charged with this season

smuggling wildlife isn't one I think many people would ahve expected but there you go

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/ex-nrl-player-martin-kennedy-pleads-guilty-over-his-role-in-a-wildlife-smuggling-ring-20180327-p4z6hr.html

what other crimes can they commit?

You can't make this stuff up, man. Those guys have too much free time lol.

[belchardo]

https://www.theroar.com.au/tv/yep-the-arlc-chairman-has-made-another-embarrassing-gaffe/

i don't think i need to say anything really.

[Jetmaster]

https://www.theroar.com.au/tv/yep-the-arlc-chairman-has-made-another-embarrassing-gaffe/

i don't think i need to say anything really.

The stupid thing about this nickname mania over the last 10 years is the community bit has vanished. Rugby started it - I have no idea what country the "Stormers" or "Highlanders" are from, let alone what city.

Eastern Suburbs, Canterbury, St George and Balmain are all vanishing because of the franchisation of the game.

That is a great advantage of being called "Sydney FC" - you can't be anywhere else.

[hawk]

North Queensland front-rower Scott Bolton has fought back tears as he addressed an allegation of indecent assault levelled at him following a night out in Bondi.

I would ask that you respect the privacy of my wife and my family who are supporting me through this difficult time."
Bolton was granted conditional bail and is due to appear in Waverley Local Court on June 19.
resshttps://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/bolton-fights-back-tears-as-he-addes-indecent-assault-charge-20180508-p4ze16.html


Big cry and respect my privacy after being an asshole. How can you like these grubs. Supporters must be fkd in the head.

[belchardo]

Big cry and respect my privacy after being an asshole. How can you like these grubs. Supporters must be fkd in the head.

to be fair, he was asking them to respect the privacy of his wife and family.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Really makes me wonder sometimes.
1. I can understand people see them as an easy target. If I rile them up, I can make the news or get some hush money. If I can sleep with him blah blah, if I can lead him on blah blah.
2. If you know you are in that position, which to be fair does require some self reflection and awareness of your surrounds, you don’t want to put yourself in any unforgiving circumstance.
3. How does one think it’s a good idea, or that they won’t be caught, when they presumably use that high profile to garner attention.
4. How do you go home to your wife and children and say, “so dear, they may be some story tomorrow about me harrassing another female. Don’t worry though, this isn’t like examples 1-100 who turns out they were guilty, I didn’t do anything.”
5. The press conference afterwards. “I’m deeply sorry and accept full responsibility for the actions I lied about occurring.”

You make your choices.

[plague]

5. The press conference afterwards. “I’m deeply sorry and accept full responsibility for the actions I lied about occurring.”


I just find it amazing they are only ever sorry for their actions 'after' they are caught.

Never 'before'.

[The Dunster]

Really makes me wonder sometimes.
1. I can understand people see them as an easy target. If I rile them up, I can make the news or get some hush money. If I can sleep with him blah blah, if I can lead him on blah blah.
2. If you know you are in that position, which to be fair does require some self reflection and awareness of your surrounds, you don’t want to put yourself in any unforgiving circumstance.
3. How does one think it’s a good idea, or that they won’t be caught, when they presumably use that high profile to garner attention.
4. How do you go home to your wife and children and say, “so dear, they may be some story tomorrow about me harrassing another female. Don’t worry though, this isn’t like examples 1-100 who turns out they were guilty, I didn’t do anything.”
5. The press conference afterwards. “I’m deeply sorry and accept full responsibility for the actions I lied about occurring.”

You make your choices.

4. I take it you haven't met too many Rugby League players wives ? They tend to be very forgiving when their lifestyle and bank balance are at stake. Those implants, Botox, and collagen injections aren't free either.

[boz-monaut]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/report-finds-spike-in-family-violence-rate-in-nsw-during-state-of-origin-20180621-h11o2k.html

State of Origin provokes family violence in NSW, says report

[MFKS]

Interesting they have State of Origin on this Sunday night

I didnt know it was on for some reason

Must be a big event on or something because it aint getting much publicity

[plague]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/report-finds-spike-in-family-violence-rate-in-nsw-during-state-of-origin-20180621-h11o2k.html

State of Origin provokes family violence in NSW, says report



Greg Chromatic
13 HOURS AGO
Any spike in violence towards women during ramadan?



Florence from Firenze
15 HOURS AGO
Simple: don't have the State of Origin on Wednesdays.

gotta hear both sides TBH........

[Jetmaster]

The "violence" would probably be more of your "rolling pin" type from frustrated wives and partners not getting any help or attention round the house!

[boz-monaut]

nothing to do with the toxic masculinity and watching big, stupid, boofy blokes run into each other while you get on the piss

let's blame women for this too - just like it's their fault for walking home at night

[MFKS]

nothing to do with the toxic masculinity and watching big, stupid, boofy blokes run into each other while you get on the piss

let's blame women for this too - just like it's their fault for walking home at night

Lets just blame the lack of intelligence and culture from the dumb ****ers who are attracted to this game

It aint like the sterotype of dumb bogan Bazza aint appropriate

[plague]

nothing to do with the toxic masculinity and watching big, stupid, boofy blokes run into each other while you get on the piss


the thing that befuddles me the most is that i can only assume that an overwhelming percentage of the sports 'fans' have NEVER played the game.

its always bizarre to me that people get this sense of 'superiority' because the sport they watch on tv is physically stronger than the sport 'you' watch on tv.

weird.

people get real defensive over an activity from which they are absolutely no part of.

[MFKS]

Good work by the guys with front page headlines today

Why do they need to strip off and dance naked in a pub beats me

What is also baffling is why one of his teammates needs to grope his genitals whilst he is dancing

Some crazy guys involved in this game

[Bremsstrahlung]

I remember a rugby league playing school acquaintance once telling me they all did “bird baths” on their Mad Monday.
I just don’t get it.
For all you peeps unaware, enjoy googling.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Lol, Australian captain caught drink driving and speeding.

Also, an absolute blowup about dishonesty from the Rooters about Gronks injury, claiming open disclosure on injuries needs to be implemented as it’s a multi million dollar industry and betting etc. pretty amusing.
All season they want to add to the theatrics and news corps loved releasing an article every 2 hours in the week leading up to the GF about Gronks shoulder.
Also amusing that the guy played a grand final with a broken scapula and didn’t do very much at all, and people are labelling it the best and most heroic grand final performance.

[plague]

Lol, Australian captain caught drink driving and speeding.

Also, an absolute blowup about dishonesty from the Rooters about Gronks injury, claiming open disclosure on injuries needs to be implemented as it’s a multi million dollar industry and betting etc. pretty amusing.
All season they want to add to the theatrics and news corps loved releasing an article every 2 hours in the week leading up to the GF about Gronks shoulder.
Also amusing that the guy played a grand final with a broken scapula and didn’t do very much at all, and people are labelling it the best and most heroic grand final performance.

I actually think the NRL handled the Inglis thing ok. Made a mistake, just like we all do in life, player owned up and paid the price. I always have way more sympathy for people getting DUI the next day, as opposed to driving whilst on the piss.

As for the injury blow up. Oh, I absolutely agree that it's a massive issue for commentators, supporters, gamblers and the like.

But **** em all.

Coach did what he could to give his team the best chance at winning.
I'm all for it.

[The Dunster]

So people have no issue with an employer cutting your shifts because of a non-work related incident ?
We have laws to deal with drink driving - let those authorities handle it.
The NRL should stick to what they know best - rolling shit in glitter and calling it a sport.

[MFKS]

So people have no issue with an employer cutting your shifts because of a non-work related incident ?
We have laws to deal with drink driving - let those authorities handle it.
The NRL should stick to what they know best - rolling shit in glitter and calling it a sport.

But where is their consistency in response ??

They go ape shit at blokes peetending to have sex with a dog pissing in their mouth or dancing naked

Yet someone drives pissed and speeds and endangers the general public during school holiday period with his stupidity and they give him a slap on the wrist

Typical NRL incompetence really

[belchardo]

So people have no issue with an employer cutting your shifts because of a non-work related incident ?
We have laws to deal with drink driving - let those authorities handle it.
The NRL should stick to what they know best - rolling shit in glitter and calling it a sport.

i guess it would depend if i was a high-profile employee and my contract had a clause related to bringing my employer into disrepute.

[plague]

So people have no issue with an employer cutting your shifts because of a non-work related incident ?
We have laws to deal with drink driving - let those authorities handle it.
The NRL should stick to what they know best - rolling shit in glitter and calling it a sport.

whilst i understand the point of view that he wasnt 'at work', i think its been pointed out plenty of times that a players contract (at both a club and rep level) pretty much puts them 'at work' 24/7.

Now we can all argue that being at work 24/7 is a silly notion, but its part of selling your soul to the NRL devil.


Also, plenty of jobs these days make 'the boss' liable for incidents that take place when an employee is on their commute.
the definition of the 'workplace' is very very grey these days.

[Jetmaster]

If you work for any business in Australia and do something illegal that is reported by the media, your job is in peril if it is known who you work for - simple IR.

Not just knuckle draggers.

[The Dunster]

In the case of Inglis I'd like to know if it was an NRL partners / sponsors product Inglis was drinking and if so what actions will the NRL be taking with respect to that partnership / arrangement ?

Surely, the partnership needs to be terminated.

[plague]

after the recent spate of domestic violence and sexual assault charges being laid against prominent players these last few weeks, the NRL announced that there will be TWO White ribbon rounds this season.

strong leadership IMHO.

[evolution]

Knights COE construction underway. For some reason I thought this was being built at the southern end of the stadium but is going on the land next to the tenzo.

https://www.newcastleknights.com.au/news/2019/02/20/centre-of-excellence-update/

[StannyCFCJET]

Knights COE construction underway. For some reason I thought this was being built at the southern end of the stadium but is going on the land next to the tenzo.

https://www.newcastleknights.com.au/news/2019/02/20/centre-of-excellence-update/

Do we get access

[plague]

Do we get access


“As well as providing a world class rugby league training facility, the community will be able to make use of a planned 2.5-kilometre walking and cycle way around the site and outdoor gym facilities for recreational use,” said Minister Ayres.



Sure do buddy, on yer bike then.

[StannyCFCJET]

Sure do buddy, on yer bike then.

HaHa I meant the Jerks

[The Dunster]

2.5km cycling path ? Are they serious - I could manual that.

[Jetmaster]

Knights announced they will stand down any of their players charged with rape or sexual assault.

How big of them.

[plague]

Knights announced they will stand down any of their players charged with rape or sexual assault.


unless they announced that policy using a hashtag then its an empty threat.
everyone knows the only way to fix domestic violence is hashtags and ribbons.
stupid NRL.

[Jetmaster]

unless they announced that policy using a hashtag then its an empty threat.
everyone knows the only way to fix domestic violence is hashtags and ribbons.
stupid NRL.

The attitude of their players union is pretty much..."pics or it didn't happen".

[Jetmaster]

Excelled themselves....vids or it didn't happen.

[Jetmaster]

Typical - "the boys are innocent, let em play footy" article.

https://www.theherald.com.au/story/5954974/tony-butterfield-nrl-in-a-no-win-situation/?cs=13296

[plague]

Typical - "the boys are innocent, let em play footy" article.

https://www.theherald.com.au/story/5954974/tony-butterfield-nrl-in-a-no-win-situation/?cs=13296

i can absolutely understand both sides of this argument. not even sure how you can justify one stance or the other.

[traffic light]

i can absolutely understand both sides of this argument. not even sure how you can justify one stance or the other.

hmmm so an embarrassed groupy may fib to to save face?

[The Dunster]

100kg plus Blokes running at each other full speed for 80 mins seeking to either get past or inflict maximum damage upon their opponent.

Why is this appropriate behaviour on the field but not off the field ?

Violence is violence.

It's like trying to justify raping a prostitute.

[Jetmaster]

Just throwing this out there...

https://www.theherald.com.au/story/5973884/its-a-tragedy-knights-boss-speaks-after-jarrod-mullen-linked-to-drug-supply-investigation/?cs=13296

[The Dunster]

It's very sad the Jarrod Mullen situation. No doubt he's made bad decisions but he's made those decisions within an environment the powers that be in Rugby League have created.
Clubs, Sponsors, and Media all have blood on their hands and throwing Mullen under the bus doesn't change their contribution to the Rugby League shit storm

[plague]

i always saw the parallels between Mullen and Kantas situations.
im still amazed how 'well' Kanta has come out of all the disappointment and heartache that injuries and plain bad luck have cost him.
dude seems so well adjusted.
compare that to Mullen whos life seems to have gone to all depths of hell since he was injured.

now this isnt a simple 'soccer is better than footy' thing. but you gotta wonder what types of people/support they both had around them to get through all this stuff.








(and just to be clear, im not inferring Kanta had any drug issues, they were both young talents with the world at their feet and injuries have robbed them both of possibly an even more 'successful' career).

[MFKS]

It's very sad the Jarrod Mullen situation. No doubt he's made bad decisions but he's made those decisions within an environment the powers that be in Rugby League have created.
Clubs, Sponsors, and Media all have blood on their hands and throwing Mullen under the bus doesn't change their contribution to the Rugby League shit storm

How much more help does he need??

It aint like NRL players aint given.ample amounts of education on how not to be a violent druggo rapist in society

The rest of society dont get this education yet somehow manage to work it out

The only one who needs to take responsibility here is Mullen
He has flushed his career/life down the drain with his own stupid decisions

When does the responsibility ever rest on an individual for their decisions??

[plague]

They are having a Game of Thrones round.
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/9e529d1f4f3aeab1169e94112fcad53a?width=1024

wack as all ****.

[The Dunster]

How much more help does he need??

It aint like NRL players aint given.ample amounts of education on how not to be a violent druggo rapist in society

The rest of society dont get this education yet somehow manage to work it out

The only one who needs to take responsibility here is Mullen
He has flushed his career/life down the drain with his own stupid decisions

When does the responsibility ever rest on an individual for their decisions??

A professional athlete needs performance enhancing drugs to be competitive. Most regular folk have jobs / careers where they simply would get no benefit from them.
Mullens error was in entering a profession where drug use was a prerequisite for success.
The reason drugs are a prerequisite is pressure from the clubs, media, and the fans to perform at a level simply not achievable without them except perhaps by a very select few with the right DNA.

The half backs today would run over the top of front rowers from 40 years ago ffs.

[Jetmaster]

Very true...30 years ago, fullbacks, centres, halves, hookers and props all had very different physiques to suit their position.

All cut from the same mould now.

[StannyCFCJET]

Very true...30 years ago, fullbacks, centres, halves, hookers and props all had very different physiques to suit their position.

All cut from the same mould now.

Not really? Have you watched NRL lately? plenty of big blokes and small quick blokes

[Macca]

Not really? Have you watched NRL lately? plenty of big blokes and small quick blokes

Small is relative Stanny. Yeah they look small on telly next to the forwards, but they ain't small.

For reference, google tells me Luka Modric weights 66kg. Kalyn Ponga weighs 92kg.

[The Dunster]

Not really? Have you watched NRL lately? plenty of big blokes and small quick blokes

Blokes like Eric Grothe [The Guru] or Noel Cleal [Crusher] were a big deal in their day because they were relatively big men with a lot of pace.

Today, blokes their size that are fast are a dime a dozen. Not only that today's players have a lot less body fat so todays 100kg player is a machine in comparison to those of 30 years or more ago.

[plague]

its like when people talk about basketball and how 'little guys' like Steph Curry are running the league.

Steph Curry is 6'3"

[Jetmaster]

Its certainly Knights week at the Herald and NBN. They are soooo Jets.

With all the doom and gloom they still have room to interview one of the last Nannas.

[plague]

Boofhead NRL player gets 10 in the bin, boofhead fan takes a swing at him on the way off.

Boofhead commentators have a giggle about the bloke 'having a few too many" then they laugh on camera to each other.

all good fun huh?

[Frodo]

Boofhead NRL player gets 10 in the bin, boofhead fan takes a swing at him on the way off.

Boofhead commentators have a giggle about the bloke 'having a few too many" then they laugh on camera to each other.

all good fun huh?

To be fair, he stuck his phone through and filmed himself mouthing off at Chambers, it wasn't that bad. He never took a swing, that was just some everyday media beat up. And now the league has come out and told Manly to fix the security issue or they'll lose home finals.

[Frodo]

NRL managed to monumentally cock up the entire grand final and can't even blame it on VAR. Good to see it happens to everyone at least.

[plague]

NRL managed to monumentally cock up the entire grand final and can't even blame it on VAR. Good to see it happens to everyone at least.

you talking about them signing One Republic to play?

[belchardo]

canberra so angry they set fire to the trains...

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6423396/fire-at-canberra-railway-museum-just-hours-before-reopening/?cs=14225

[Frodo]

canberra so angry they set fire to the trains...

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6423396/fire-at-canberra-railway-museum-just-hours-before-reopening/?cs=14225

Deliberately lit too. FMD some humans are pieces of shit.

[furns]

canberra so angry they set fire to the trains...

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6423396/fire-at-canberra-railway-museum-just-hours-before-reopening/?cs=14225
Must be some wanderers fans living down there

[MFKS]

NRL managed to monumentally cock up the entire grand final and can't even blame it on VAR. Good to see it happens to everyone at least.

Don't really no what everyone is whining about

Reality is Canberra had more than enough opportunity to win that game

They just were not good enough to do so

Can focus on some BS calls going against them all you want but sport is about taking your opportunities when they come

Canberra didn't Roosters did


That the biggest problem with the sportsmedia these days

Always trying to find some ****ing refereeing conspiracy in all results

[Jetmaster]

Nothing new - even 30 years ago a ref was dodgy if the penalty count wasn't even.

[pv4]

I watched the game, and note I only ever watch some SoO and maybe a final each year.

My view is in a game which was pretty difficult for either side to break thru the other, it has to be said that Canberra did not do well in the play following the #6again call and Roosters went thru relatively easily. It wasn't like that one call led directly to a try, there was still an entire set of play they had the chance to defend plus a breather break at the start of it to recover. But if I were Canberra I would feel really robbed there by that call. In a world where we are taught to play to the whistle, I don't see it fair for a signal to be given and then overturned without a whistle announcing this. It's not like the game is beautiful and free-flowing in basically any way, so my opinion is if you want to change a signalled call you should have to whistle the play to correct this. The Canberra guy went down far too easily and without a fight which proves he genuinely believed he had more tackles ahead of him. In a game with so few chances it isn't unreasonable to say that set of 6 Canberra were expecting to be given could have been huge.

I also see a lot of people complaining about the instance where the ball hit the trainer, I don't know enough about the game but if there isn't a review into why randoms are running the field while the game is still active I will be very surprised. If you want treatment, go off the field. If you can't get off the field, play needs to be stopped.

But on the game in general.. in my very uneducated opinion I felt Canberra really lost out when they had the extra man but never seemed to really try and exploit this. I would think you would try and spread the game and get 2 on 1 situations as much as possible in this scenario but I didn't really sense any conviction from Canberra to spray the ball during Tara Rushton's partners sendoff.

I also would like to point out that as a football fan, I get a lot of grief from Rugby League supporters about how footballers abuse refs and feign injury and it never happens in the NRL. I saw a lot of instances to argue that it happens in the NRL from that game to say that the issues are not isolated to just football, and I would like the record to show that. Lots of discussions and arguments with the refs, including the Roosters captain stating "you can't send him off" as if it were a demand.. and also someone received a tackle around the neck and went down holding his cheek to try and promote the idea to the ref that it was a penalty (which it was called as so). I just can't watch that game, and I safely assume these instances happen each week and not just in the Grand Final, and accept that these issues are isolated to football only.

Overall it wasn't the worst game I have watched, but if I'm watching sports other than football then Rugby Union, AFL and Netball are very easily ahead in my enjoyment before NRL. If SoO and Grand Finals are the pinnacle games of the sport, I don't get enough fun out of watching these to make me want to watch NRL more than the other great options we have available.

[Jetmaster]

NRL = Manic desperation.

[boz-monaut]

that V'landys really is a piece of shit isn't he?

in charge of horse racing when they stick electrodes up horses bums before slaughtering them - responds by trying to sue those reporting on him

in charge of the rugby league rape squad while theres a global pandemic - responds to chief medical officer who questions the timing of a restart by saying "we should start tomorrow"

really is the worst bloke - no wonder he's the head of rugby league

[The Dunster]

that V'landys really is a piece of shit isn't he?

in charge of horse racing when they stick electrodes up horses bums before slaughtering them - responds by trying to sue those reporting on him

in charge of the rugby league rape squad while theres a global pandemic - responds to chief medical officer who questions the timing of a restart by saying "we should start tomorrow"

really is the worst bloke - no wonder he's the head of rugby league


Only thing missing from V'Landys CV is invading Poland.

[boz-monaut]

apparently V'Landys laid in bed for twenty years, spending his family's pittance on tobacco for himself, only to jump out of bed and start dancing the moment Charlie won a golden ticket to tour the chocolate factory

[boz-monaut]

so these idiots want to get all the teams and support staff together and isolate them to re-start their season

so about 500 rapists and their enablers, locked away

why not just film prison riots and show it on the telly?

and do they think that these idiots all together aren't just going to get on the piss and go off raping women they find on tinder?

[Jetmaster]

Let's be honest - this is about money and saving their competition - it's not for the players, not for the fans - it's for the NRL to get their TV money. Sounds like it could go belly up if it doesn't start soon.

The amount of pointless NRL "stories" coming through each day is ridiculous and looks like desperation just to keep relevant. Even the EPL has less stories! So far the other codes have kept fairly quiet, though rugger is under strain as well.

[Premy]

Hypothetically, if the NRL does start up whilst we're still in this pandemic. What happens if an NRL player get injured and needs to be taken to Hospital for medical treatment? Will that NRL players treatment be priority over COVID patients? Will there be an adequate amount of paramedics available to attend these games.

Seems like it's a cocktail to put more pressure on our health system that is stretched already.

[Frodo]

There's no way that they'll be allowed to play if we are still in lockdown. All of this is a giant act.

A) they just want to stay relevant and their motto for the last decade has been that any news is good news. So they're happy to air dirty laundry, attack each other, attack politicians, or anything else that gets them onto the TV and into papers.

B) the NRL is using this whole thing to put the blame onto anyone but themselves as the league is one missed season away from collapse. They have clubs riddled with massive debt, they haven't been paying the correct money into the player retirement fund they setup many years ago, they have been paying players and backers of the game in brown paper bags for years and now the war chest that everyone assumed they had is more like a small savings account.

This is all just posturing without any actual plan to get the season going again. They haven't agreed on where they'll play the games, how many games they'll play, whether the first two rounds will be counted or a full restart, the Warriors aren't even allowed back into the country, etc. They haven't even spoken to the refs who are about to stop being paid within the next fortnight and won't have contracts anymore.

I can't believe that somehow the NRL is already in a worse position than the A League. They had to go get a $250 mllion loan within a month of games stopping to save themselves. What a joke.

[Aegon]

I grew up loving RL, I played it till I was 18. However, it's been on a slow decline to irrelevancy for years. I remember the family struggling to get tickets to Knights games in the mid 90's.

Less kids are playing it, less people are turning up to games or watching on TV. It'll continue to get worse as the years go on.

All the effort going to cleaning up the game is for nothing, let the game be what it needs to be. Bonehead vs Bonehead with all the biff and roughness it needs to be entertaining.

[Jetmaster]

I don't know where to start.....

https://coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/nrl/nrl-premiership/live-why-channel-nine-is-baulking-at-a-20round-nrl-season/news-story/03346c5bf7bf851e42d36ed6a056c719

[boz-monaut]

Peter Fitzsimons taking the piss out of league wanting to return

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/is-there-an-industry-more-at-risk-of-spreading-covid-19-than-the-nrl-20200429-p54oc2.html

mild humour

[boz-monaut]

so ti add to the litany of crimes, it turns out rugby league is full of anti vax ****ing morons as well

how much worse can these people get?

[Jardelsimage]

so ti add to the litany of crimes, it turns out rugby league is full of anti vax ****ing morons as well

how much worse can these people get?

scared of needles are they, but love a good old finger in the bum.

[pv4]

Yesterday:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/xerri-to-return-faster-than-ever-after-teaming-up-with-renowned-sprint-trainer/news-story/77e836891590cd5e3bc329cd5bdf41dd?fbclid=IwAR2GkJ7k ZmzRHHQT81BJV-W5g6mqBoYw0wM-_sdMpBrTSh68i7yQhlPqQ40


Xerri to return faster than ever after teaming up with renowned sprint trainer

One of the NRL’s fastest men will return to rugby league even quicker with Cronulla centre Bronson Xerri claiming he’s shaved down his sprint times.

The centre believes he is faster than he was when he last played in September, after training during lockdown working with sprint coach Roger Fabri.

Today:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/sharks/bronson-xerri-fails-asada-drug-test-doping-ban-nrl-2020-news-sharks-star-tests-positive-round-3/news-story/7e29da31684612db5bbbb157b8d28b09


Bronson Xerri fails ASADA drug test, doping ban:

Cronulla Sharks centre Bronson Xerri, one of the brightest young stars in the NRL, is facing a four-year doping ban for failing an ASADA drug test.

Xerri reportedly had his phone seized by ASADA officials on Tuesday as the news broke and sent shockwaves around the league little more than 48 hours prior to the game’s relaunch.

The NRL confirmed the news in a release.

[boz-monaut]

I always wonder why rugbeh league and AFL worry about joining anti-doping things

it's not like they have any serious international competition so theres no way they can be expelled from anything

[Bremsstrahlung]

M8, have you herd ov the World Cup?

[Jetmaster]

M8, have you herd ov the World Cup?

Where the entire Lebanese squad lives in Western Sydney?

[pv4]

I always wonder why rugbeh league and AFL worry about joining anti-doping things

it's not like they have any serious international competition so theres no way they can be expelled from anything

The best assumption I've seen is that it is linked with government funding.

[evolution]

Where the entire Lebanese squad lives in Western Sydney?

Where international eligibility is basically if your great great grandfathers cousins best mate went to Dublin once you can play for Ireland.

[The Dunster]

Where international eligibility is basically if your great great grandfathers cousins best mate went to Dublin once you can play for Ireland.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swBtLPWeKbU

[boz-monaut]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jun/01/australia-nrl-fan-in-the-stand-cardboard-cutouts--hitler--mass-murderer-harold-shipman

so it didn't take long for rugby league to take something nice and fun like cardboard cutouts in the stands and ruin it

the thing is, Hitler would actually be a better person than your average NRL player

[boz-monaut]

https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/7834401/seven-manly-players-boycott-rainbow-jersey/?cs=9676

putting rainbows on a bunch of neanderthal homophobe rapist boofheads won't bring them up to 21st century standards of human decency

[plague]

putting rainbows on a bunch of neanderthal homophobe rapist boofheads won't bring them up to 21st century standards of human decency

Geez Mr Boz dont you know anything?

Over 37% of people who turn gay said they caught it from wearing rainbows.

hashtagbealertnotalarmed

[Bremsstrahlung]

https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/7834401/seven-manly-players-boycott-rainbow-jersey/?cs=9676

putting rainbows on a bunch of neanderthal homophobe rapist boofheads won't bring them up to 21st century standards of human decency


7 first team players are now refusing to play.

Their PR move has backfired.

[Jeterpool]

7 first team players are now refusing to play.

Their PR move has backfired.

The club are standing firm...I suggest it possibly hasn't. They're playing on despite the players standing down.

League players are the gift that keep on giving

[plague]

The only heads that will roll are the morons who put this idea up without asking the stakeholders.
Like it or not NRL players by and large (especially the polynesian folk) are hugely religious and this was never going to fly.
There was a way better way to do this but when you leave out your most vital component (the highly paid front facing labour) then youve made a massive mistake.
and us sockah folk better not be too loud about it, there are a lot of clubs in certain demographics that aint wearing those colours either. We (so far) have been smart enough to read the tea leaves before opening our traps.