2015 Zone League competitions

[anfield]

As the 2014 season draws to and end, its time to think about season 2015.

Our club ,Dudley redhead ufc (juniors) have put in a proposal to see if there is any interest in having an id4's single grade competition next year. That being for any team in Id2's/Id3's that have a third team (basically 3rd grade for them). Other divisions could be considered to put in a team.

So far there has been geniune interst from 4 clubs with another 1 or 2 rumoured to be interested.

If teams have an all age team linked, then this could be the chance to incorporate them in. If the draw matches up 3 games back to back where possible. Suggestions from our players also include the odd friday night game when teams have their other team home or away from their id4's. This would enable players that have work/weddings on the saturday the chance to shuffle into the id4's on that odd week.

Any interest?

[hawk]

Geez. This would be a motley crew. 3rd grades, individual clubs, A/A stepping up, odd n sods. Alright get it up n running.

[Thomas477]

Couldn't this just be done by putting a team under the same club name in the all age comp and dual registering?

[anfield]

Couldn't this just be done by putting a team under the same club name in the all age comp and dual registering?

Fair call, That is an option. Most guys that have played id's want to keep playing that. More games for a start then all age.

All age competition is so stop/start.More organised, More commited clubs and better club atmosphere having more teams under the one squad.

I think more guys would rather be part of an id club setup. It would be good if more All age teams/clubs would switch over to id's.

[Premy]

It's not ID'S anymore, hasn't been for about 4-5 years.
Zone Leagues

ZPL
ZL1
ZL2
ZL3

Simple enough.

[Thomas477]

Fair call, That is an option. Most guys that have played id's want to keep playing that. More games for a start then all age.

All age competition is so stop/start.More organised, More commited clubs and better club atmosphere having more teams under the one squad.

I think more guys would rather be part of an id club setup. It would be good if more All age teams/clubs would switch over to id's.

I'll be honest, this idea just seems geared towards allowing the older players who can't make it in either of the top squads in their club to alliveate their pride by still calling it a ZL. If they can't cut it in the top squads, they play all age, but under the same club name, ie New Lambton Eagles etc. Also, there's nothing stopping the clubs from requesting the all age games to be played before the ZL games, though a 9am start might be rough for the 3 team comps, and ground availability might be a factor. As for number of games, could just increase the size of each division to 10 teams and 18 games.

Also, at the moment, state league refs struggle to cover all the games under their umbrella. With more WPL games next year, this struggle will increase. You can't just rely on local refs to fill in, we've got our own dramas to worry about, without worrying about more ZL games.

Look, it's a good idea, but trying to create another league when the same outcomes could be achieved by just fielding an all age side doesn't seem feasible.

[anfield]

It's not ID'S anymore, hasn't been for about 4-5 years.
Zone Leagues

ZPL
ZL1
ZL2
ZL3

Simple enough.

Funny. Who really cares what its called.

[anfield]

I'll be honest, this idea just seems geared towards allowing the older players who can't make it in either of the top squads in their club to alliveate their pride by still calling it a ZL. If they can't cut it in the top squads, they play all age, but under the same club name, ie New Lambton Eagles etc. Also, there's nothing stopping the clubs from requesting the all age games to be played before the ZL games, though a 9am start might be rough for the 3 team comps, and ground availability might be a factor. As for number of games, could just increase the size of each division to 10 teams and 18 games.

Also, at the moment, state league refs struggle to cover all the games under their umbrella. With more WPL games next year, this struggle will increase. You can't just rely on local refs to fill in, we've got our own dramas to worry about, without worrying about more ZL games.

Look, it's a good idea, but trying to create another league when the same outcomes could be achieved by just fielding an all age side doesn't seem feasible.

There arnt too many clubs where the all age and zone league (not id's anymore) have much to do with each other. We have 5 all age sides, yet we really dont have much of an association with them.

One positive element from local rugby and cricket is their strong club identity. Rugby have 5 grades and district cricket has plenty of grades and teams. This is something that football could aspire too, strong club culture. Clubs like cooks hill and uni are a few that have that.

[sammydog]

You talk of a strong club culture, but then say your own club doesn't have much to do with the 5 all age sides? They should be the feeder (along with junior teams) to the ZL's.

An additional ZL comp for people who can't make the grade in their clubs normal ZL squad seems bit counter productive to creating a club culture when the other teams and comps are there already.

I'm with Thomas477, shuffle back to AA or O35's and have movement between the grades if players are needed.

[namwob99]

My guess for next years comps, probably wrong but ya get that.

ZPL
New Lambton
Mayfield
Barnsley
Dudley
Swansea
Uni
Beresfield SC
Garden Suburbs
Jesmond
Suns


ZL1
Cardiff
Kotara South
Nelson Bay
Warners Bay
Morriset
Beresfield FC
Terrace
Hamilton
Stockton
Uni

ZL2
Medowie
Merewethwer
Plattsburg
Muswellbrook
Westlakes
Charlestown
Simba
Kurri
RAAF
Cooks Hill

ZL3
Tenambit
Mayfield
Dudley
Edgeworth
Abermain
Valentine
Kahibah
Jesmond Jnr
New Lambton Jnr
Wallsend

[Havago]

If you want to start another comp why not do away with all age and call them ZL4 etc etc. What is the difference. Then you could have promotion from top to bottom. Don't invent a new comp to keep a couple of people happy because eventually they stop playing and the comp folds.

[sharky21]

My guess for next years comps, probably wrong but ya get that.

ZPL
New Lambton
Mayfield
Barnsley
Dudley
Swansea
Uni
Beresfield SC
Garden Suburbs
Jesmond
Suns


ZL1
Cardiff
Kotara South
Nelson Bay
Warners Bay
Morriset
Beresfield FC
Terrace
Hamilton
Stockton
Uni

ZL2
Medowie
Merewethwer
Plattsburg
Muswellbrook
Westlakes
Charlestown
Simba
Kurri
RAAF
Cooks Hill

ZL3
Tenambit
Mayfield
Dudley
Edgeworth
Abermain
Valentine
Kahibah
Jesmond Jnr
New Lambton Jnr
Wallsend

That would be how I see it too surely they can't relegate teams that came last only to promote teams from lower comp. Only thing I see is would garden suburbs take promotion with their well known policy on promotion. And are Medowie sticking around next year.

[Premy]

That would be how I see it too surely they can't relegate teams that came last only to promote teams from lower comp. Only thing I see is would garden suburbs take promotion with their well known policy on promotion. And are Medowie sticking around next year.
Garden Suburb have applied for a spot in ZPL.
We came to a decision that if 4 clubs are to be promoted then coming 2nd entitles us to at least apply, also the concern as to what will happen to 3rd grade in ZL1 played a part in the decision.

[sharky21]

Garden Suburb have applied for a spot in ZPL.
We came to a decision that if 4 clubs are to be promoted then coming 2nd entitles us to at least apply, also the concern as to what will happen to 3rd grade in ZL1 played a part in the decision.
Fair call I don't think anyone could begrudge u guys taking promotion. U lot have been the most consistent team in league 1 for many years now.

[ramsbelong@jesmondpark]

Jesmond wont be ZPL, Cardiff will be and Suns do have competition from elsewhere for the last spot. I'd say your movement from 2 to 1 is a tad off too.

[C'mon man]

Premy..... what are your concerns for third grade in ZL1 ????

[Premy]

Premy..... what are your concerns for third grade in ZL1 ???? Considering that there were a few clubs in the season just gone that struggled to field a 3rd grade side at times, no disrespect to those clubs as I know all efforts were made to field competitive side's every week.
It was bought up as a concern that with 4 new clubs to come into ZL1 will they be able to field 3rd grade sides and if not would there be a 3rd grade competition in ZL1 next season.

Edit: It was pure speculation on our behalf and it may not happen but it was something bought up in discussion and played a small part in our decision.

[Jardelsimage]

Considering that there were a few clubs in the season just gone that struggled to field a 3rd grade side at times, no disrespect to those clubs as I know all efforts were made to field competitive side's every week.
It was bought up as a concern that with 4 new clubs to come into ZL1 will they be able to field 3rd grade sides and if not would there be a 3rd grade competition in ZL1 next season.

Edit: It was pure speculation on our behalf and it may not happen but it was something bought up in discussion and played a small part in our decision.
Premy

best way to help field 3 grades is to remove any AA grades lower than say, "M" that would give at least by quick calculations, 8 teams/comp x 14players, 112 players per division and they go down to 's' don't they, that's 7 divisions, roughly 784 players....problem solved:banghead:
this solution needs the associations to have some balls and funnel the players into grade.
That wont happen as there are some on the boards that believe AA comps are better than grade.
I had one say to me about 2 years ago, Sat over 35's a grade were better than ZPL.
cheers

[anfield]

Premy

best way to help field 3 grades is to remove any AA grades lower than say, "M" that would give at least by quick calculations, 8 teams/comp x 14players, 112 players per division and they go down to 's' don't they, that's 7 divisions, roughly 784 players....problem solved:banghead:
this solution needs the associations to have some balls and funnel the players into grade.
That wont happen as there are some on the boards that believe AA comps are better than grade.
I had one say to me about 2 years ago, Sat over 35's a grade were better than ZPL.
cheers

It would be good if more all age clubs/teams came over to zone leagues. With 7 new teams in zone this year, It appears that some have. It would be good if more referees moved accross as well, I realise that there is issues with this.

All age A is on level terms with Zl3 first grade, having played both. ZPL is many more steps above All age A.

There would be many good teams going around in Over 35's A, especially
Technically. But I would say they wouldnt be able to compete athletically with the quicker teams like hunter simba.

[LINGERA]

Charlestown, now Charlestown Jnrs to Zone League 1

[Fridge]

Official as per the Zone League Bossman email


Premier
3 Grades
New Lambton Eagles

Mayfield United Senior

Barnsley

Swansea

University Men

Dudley Redhead Senior

Beresfield United Snr

Cardiff City

Garden Suburb

Newcastle Suns

League One
3 Grades

Stockton

Charlestown City Blue

Jesmond

Warners Bay

Nelson Bay

Kotara South

Morisset

Beresfield FC

Cooks Hill

Westlake's Wildcats
League Two
2 Grades

Raymond Terrace

Plattsburg Maryland

Muswellbrook

Merewether Advance

Tenambit Sharks

Medowie

Kurri Kurri

Uni Men

Hamilton Olympic

Hunter Simba
League Three
2 Grades

Dudley Redhead Jnr

Abermain

RAAF

Wallsend

Mayfield United Junior

Kahibah

Jesmond FC (Jnr)

New Lambton FC

Valentine

Edgeworth

[Thomas477]

Hey rolo, what's the point of the notice board thread if you post in here, huh?

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Hey rolo, what's the point of the notice board thread if you post in here, huh?

To be fair, posting trials, coaching ads etc in the club notice thread and the competition thread has been the standard (up until it was decided by admin this ear that that particular process wasn't correct). So lets cut come people some slack hey, its not going to hurt anyone to see a post twice is it?

[Imyourhero]

Such drama

[boz-monaut]

we'll clean this up and start threads for each specific competition in the new year, same as always

what we try to stop is club notices being duplicated in all competition threads, that's just annoying

[rolo]

Hey rolo, what's the point of the notice board thread if you post in here, huh?

Sorry to have caused you so much grief my friend. I feel for you

[pagey85]

what are clubs rego prices for 2015?

[Leftback at Home]

The way they have been going recently you'll need a second mortgage to have a run this year.

[Nou Camp]

what are clubs rego prices for 2015?

newcastle suns rego was $350 for 2014 and should be the same for 2015 unless there is major increase from the feds
not a bad deal for $350 really considering $190 goes to newc football
2 pairs or shorts
2 pairs of socks
tracksuit
full training strip
club polo
additional training tshit
and various other things during the year, club shouts, bbqs, dinners etc
curious to know what others in the comp charge

[pagey85]

newcastle suns rego was $350 for 2014 and should be the same for 2015 unless there is major increase from the feds
not a bad deal for $350 really considering $190 goes to newc football
2 pairs or shorts
2 pairs of socks
tracksuit
full training strip
club polo
additional training tshit
and various other things during the year, club shouts, bbqs, dinners etc
curious to know what others in the comp charge

we are currently working ours out
i think it will be 300-310

[thephenom]

Official as per the Zone League Bossman email


Premier
3 Grades
New Lambton Eagles

Mayfield United Senior

Barnsley

Swansea

University Men

Dudley Redhead Senior

Beresfield United Snr

Cardiff City

Garden Suburb

Newcastle Suns

League One
3 Grades

Stockton

Charlestown City Blue

Jesmond

Warners Bay

Nelson Bay

Kotara South

Morisset

Beresfield FC

Cooks Hill

Westlake's Wildcats
League Two
2 Grades

Raymond Terrace

Plattsburg Maryland

Muswellbrook

Merewether Advance

Tenambit Sharks

Medowie

Kurri Kurri

Uni Men

Hamilton Olympic

Hunter Simba
League Three
2 Grades

Dudley Redhead Jnr

Abermain

RAAF

Wallsend

Mayfield United Junior

Kahibah

Jesmond FC (Jnr)

New Lambton FC

Valentine

Edgeworth

What ever happened to promotion and relegation being based on performance? Obviously smaller clubs ( like ours ) find it hard to field 3 teams , but would be competitive with the other 2. Whilst teams who are average at best climb up divisions because they have a heap of players to choose from. I must be old fashioned , I believe in quality not quantity.

[Ivan]

What ever happened to promotion and relegation being based on performance? Obviously smaller clubs ( like ours ) find it hard to field 3 teams , but would be competitive with the other 2. Whilst teams who are average at best climb up divisions because they have a heap of players to choose from. I must be old fashioned , I believe in quality not quantity.

If your club doesn't come up with the most important part of the criteria (3 teams) then how do you expect to be promoted over clubs that can field 3 teams. It doesn't matter if the 2 grades will be competitive or not if you don't have a 3rd grade side.

[thephenom]

If your club doesn't come up with the most important part of the criteria (3 teams) then how do you expect to be promoted over clubs that can field 3 teams. It doesn't matter if the 2 grades will be competitive or not if you don't have a 3rd grade side.

Thanks but I believe you missed the whole point of that statement. Rewarding teams based on their on field performance. Its obviously not going to happen anytime soon , so lower divisions will always have teams that dominate the competition year after year and aren't promoted to be tested at higher grades. Just about every other football code in the world works on this system , and I think I read the other day that even the A - League is working on moving towards a similar structure.

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Thanks but I believe you missed the whole point of that statement. Rewarding teams based on their on field performance. Its obviously not going to happen anytime soon , so lower divisions will always have teams that dominate the competition year after year and aren't promoted to be tested at higher grades. Just about every other football code in the world works on this system , and I think I read the other day that even the A - League is working on moving towards a similar structure.

But teams do not get promoted anywhere in the world if they don't meet the criteria for the competition they are joining.If a team is strong in a lower division and wish to test themselves at a higher level they should undertake the necessary changes to allow them to move up the grades (Ie/ finding enough players to fill 3 grades).

[Lofty]

Yeah, I agree. Don't really understand the point you're trying to make thephenom.

If you win in a lower league and earn promotion, you need to fill the criteria to go up and I would say one of the main things would be to have enough teams. You can't just expect to promote your two successful teams and not play third grade? "Oh but we have two good teams" - Don't think that will cut it, just saying.

Earn promotion, find the numbers, fit the criteria, enjoy the season.

[front2]

Nothing new here. Clubs have been promoted or demoted based on criteria or applications for at least 10 or close to 15 years from my limited experience. This is regarding ID comps and ZLs. Maybe it is a case of clubs getting their shhit in order regarding direction.

[goaliepersempre]

well yeah we cant get promoted unless we have certain qualifications are in place... (if the club can perform better win the Cup :P )

but criteria are essential.. its nothing new... just in general when you see promotion and relegation overseas its the teams that are on top are the ones with all the required criteria

[front2]

It all takes time. Afterall Australia is ranked outside the top 100 in FIFA.

[goaliepersempre]

It all takes time. Afterall Australia is ranked outside the top 100 in FIFA.

indeed......

[hawk]

Thanks but I believe you missed the whole point of that statement. Rewarding teams based on their on field performance. Its obviously not going to happen anytime soon , so lower divisions will always have teams that dominate the competition year after year and aren't promoted to be tested at higher grades. Just about every other football code in the world works on this system , and I think I read the other day that even the A - League is working on moving towards a similar structure.

Theres no real need for a good team to miss a promotion. Keep the crieteria in mind if you are doing well. As for your player numbers, grab an allage team and put them in 3rds until recruitment grows. If you want it bad enough you'll find a solution.

[thephenom]

But teams do not get promoted anywhere in the world if they don't meet the criteria for the competition they are joining.If a team is strong in a lower division and wish to test themselves at a higher level they should undertake the necessary changes to allow them to move up the grades (Ie/ finding enough players to fill 3 grades).

Once again my point has been missed. I realise the criteria hasn't changed , this is what I am trying to point out. Maybe down the track it should be.
As far as numbers go , grabbing players is a luxury we don't have up here. Its all well and good in the Newcastle area with such a large population to choose from. We get what we get and make it work.

[gk1985]

Have you/or the club ever thought of merging with another club? A long time ago when I played central west league our club was forced to merge with another so we could field the three grades.

relaxing the criteria would be a step backwards IMO.

[Ivan]

So the whole of Newcastle football should change to suit your club not being able to field 3 teams

[MFKS]

So the whole of Newcastle football should change to suit your club not being able to field 3 teams


The Fit In or .... Off Philosophy??

[The Spy]

When are the draws normally released for the Zone competitions?

[Swanky]

The draws are out and have been for a month

[sharky21]

The draws are out and have been for a month have u got any link to the draws for the new season. I can't seem to find it.