Rd 3 Wellington Phoenix Vs Newcastle Jets 26/10/14 k/off 3:00pm AEDST

[Jeterpool]

2014/15 A-League Round 3 Preview – Wellington Phoenix v Newcastle Jets

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2014/2015 Hyundai A-League
Season 10 Round 3
Wellington Phoenix FC vs Newcastle United Jets FC

When: Sunday 26th October, 2014
Where: Westpac Stadium, 105 Waterloo Quay, Wellington, NZ
Kickoff: 3pm AEDST (local time 5pm)
Watch: LIVE on Foxsports 1 and FoxSports 1HD
Listen: ABC Grandstand Digital online or ABC Radio App
Tweet: @newyboys #WELvNEW #NTUA

If you are unable to travel to the game in Wellington, please come down to the District Park Tennis Club in Broadmeadow and watch the game LIVE. The Tenzo is our permanent venue for both home AND away Newcastle Jets fixtures.

FIXTURE FACTS

Overall – 22 games between the two teams.
Jets Wins – 6, Phoenix Wins – 13, Drawn – 3


In Wellington – 12 games
Jets Wins – 2, Phoenix Wins – 8, Drawn – 2

Average Away A-League crowd – 9328

Goals in Fixture
Jets – 24, Phoenix – 41

Cards in Fixture
Jets – 43 (39 Yellow, 4 Red), Phoenix – 39 (36 Yellow, 3 Red)

Recent Form (FFA Cup & A-League)
Jets – DLL
Phoenix – WLL

Leading Scorers
Jets – Edson Montano 1, Phoenix – Michael McGlinchy 2

Last Result -
Jets 5 (Heskey 36’, Griffiths 46’, Taggart 57’, Taggart 77’, Bridges 90+3’) – Phoenix 0 at Hunter Stadium, Round 24.


FIXTURE RECORDS


Biggest Win

Jets 5 (Heskey 36’, Griffiths 46’, Taggart 57’, Taggart 77’, Bridges 90+3’) – Phoenix 0 at Hunter Stadium, Round 24, 22/03/2014.

Heaviest Defeat

Jets 0 – Heart 4 (Brown 18’, Rojas 31’, Greenacre 41’, Macallister 88’), Round 19, Season 6 at Westpac Stadium, 18/12/2010.

Leading Scorers in fixture –

Jets – 3 (Adam Taggart)
Phoenix – 6 (Shane Smeltz)


2014/15 SEASON STATISTICS

Appearances

2 Mark Birrighiti, Scott Neville, Kew Jaliens, Sam Gallagher, David Carney, Taylor Regan, Jacob Pepper, Joel Griffiths, Edson Montano, Jonny Steele, Andrew Hoole, Marco Flores. Jeronimo Neumann
1 James Virgili, Zenon Caravella



Goals

1 Edson Montano



Assists

1 Joel Griffiths



Yellow Cards

2 Taylor Regan, Jeronimo Neumann
1 Marcos Flores, Jonny Steele



Red Cards

None


COACHING

Coaches Head to Head – 0 matches

Newcastle Jets Coaching Records –

Phil Stubbins - 0 Matches (0 wins, 0 drawn, 0 losses = -% win ratio)
Gary Van Egmond – 12 matches (3 wins, 3 drawn and 6 losses = 25% win ratio)
Richard Money – 0 matches (0 wins, 0 drawn, 0 loss = -% win ratio)
Branko Culina – 7 matches (2 wins, 0 drawn, 5 losses = 29% win ratio)
Nick Theodorakopoulos – 0 match (0 wins, 0 drawn, 0 losses = -% win ratio)
Clayton Zane – 2 matches (1 wins, 0 drawn, 1 loss = 50% win ratio)
Craig Deans -1 Match (0 win, 0 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)

KEY FACTS:

The Jets kept two clean sheets against the Phoenix last year – once at home and once away.
The Jets have come away with points form Wellington in their last 3 visits. Two of these were draws on a Sunday.
Previously, the Jets had lost 9 form 10 fixtures, including a run of 7 straight losses.
The Jets have a W-D-L record against Ernie Merrick coached sides of 9-5-7.
Taylor Regan, should he play, will become the Jets 16th most capped player with 55 appearances, surpassing Ante Covic.
Last weekend, Edson Montano became the 51st goal scorer for the Newcastle Jets.
The last meeting between the two clubs served as the club’s biggest victory. It was also the last match in which a substitute scored for the Jets – a cracking volley by Michael Bridges.
The Jets have won a third round match four times, lost four times and drawn once in 9 seasons of the A-League. The only draw was last season’s match away at the Phoenix in which both teams were scoreless.
The Jets haven’t lost in the last 23 matches when they’ve been ahead at half time. However, they have lost the last 7 when they have been behind at half time.
Taylor Regan and Jeronimo Neumann already have 2 bookings this season.
In Wellington, the Jets have only scored 3 times in the first half and scored 7 goals there in total. The Phoenix, however have scored an average of 2 goals against us per game.
Vince Lia and Manny Muscat are the players who have received the most yellow cards in this fixture with 5.
The Phoenix player who has scored the most A-League goals against the Jets is Jeremy Brockie with 5.



THE REFEREE: – Chris Beath

The Jets W-D-L record under Beath is 5-5-12. When he has referred Jet v Wellington it is 1-0-3, in Wellington it is 0-0-2
An opposition player has never been dismissed by Beath referring a Jets match.
Beath is rather consistent with handing out cards, with a total of 46 issued to jets players and 43 to opposition players in 22 matches.
Beath isn’t one for giving the Jets penalties. The Jets have only ever been awarded 1 by Beath. He has awarded 3 by the opposition.
The Jets have previously had a streak of 13 matches without a win under Beath. We have, however, won 2 of our last 3 matches he has officiated.




Jets v Phoenix Trivia:
1. Five ex-Jets players have scored for the Phoenix in the fixture. Who are they?

2. Who are the four Jets players who scored their only goals for the club against Wellington?

3. Who has scored the fastest goal in this fixture?

[MFKS]

Jets v Phoenix Trivia:
1. Five ex-Jets players have scored for the Phoenix in the fixture. Who are they?
Jeremy Brockie Tim Brown Mirjan Pavlović Troy Hearfield Nick Ward????
2. Who are the four Jets players who scored their only goals for the club against Wellington?
Scott Turnbridge The Hoff
3. Who has scored the fastest goal in this fixture?
,

[Jeterpool]

,

Phwoar, close MFKS!

[pv4]

Trivia:
1. Stephen Old scored that goal at home where no one knew if it was before or after the whistle, I'll put him in.
2.
3. Hoffman once scored a double from memory, so as a pure guess I'll say he did it that day.

[BodyNovo]

2. jason nadovski, turnbridge, hoff, james holland

[MFKS]

2. jason nadovski, turnbridge, hoff, james holland

Jimmy Holland scored on the glorious day we actually won a game at Bluetoungue so it can't be him.

[BodyNovo]

he did 2 ****

[BodyNovo]

patafta? he scored on that monday when zura should have. don't remember him scoring again

[Jeterpool]

Jimmy Holland scored on the glorious day we actually won a game at Bluetoungue so it can't be him.


he did 2 ****

He actually scored 3 for us - bonus point if you can name the team!

Funnily enough - Whenever Holland scored, we won. The win was always 2-1 and whenever Holland scored, Griff scored the other one!

[pv4]

He actually scored 3 for us - bonus point if you can name the team!

Funnily enough - Whenever Holland scored, we won. The win was always 2-1 and whenever Holland scored, Griff scored the other one!

Oh man, I vaguely remember this. It was really close to Xmas/NY, maybe New Years Day or just after or something like that, at home. Griff scored early on, someone equalised around half time, Holland won us the game.

It was against.................

I forget!

[Mitchy]

Was it against Adelaide one Friday night at home?

[MFKS]

Was it against Adelaide one Friday night at home?

Bang On

[Jeterpool]

Was it against Adelaide one Friday night at home?

:yay:

[Jeterpool]

Trivia:
1. Stephen Old scored that goal at home where no one knew if it was before or after the whistle, I'll put him in.
2.
3. Hoffman once scored a double from memory, so as a pure guess I'll say he did it that day.

Stephen Old is correct in addition to the Member's names of Hearfield, Brockie, Brown and Pavlovic.

Hoffman is right - it was after 12 minutes.


2. jason nadovski, turnbridge, hoff, james holland


patafta? he scored on that monday when zura should have. don't remember him scoring again

Naidovski, Tunbridge, Hoffman and Patafta is right

[BodyNovo]

gary didn't like him....kaz patafta....etc.

loved kaz

[Jeterpool]

THE REFEREE: – Chris Beath

The Jets W-D-L record under Beath is 5-5-12. When he has referred Jet v Wellington it is 1-0-3, in Wellington it is 0-0-2
An opposition player has never been dismissed by Beath referring a Jets match.
Beath is rather consistent with handing out cards, with a total of 46 issued to jets players and 43 to opposition players in 22 matches.
Beath isn’t one for giving the Jets penalties. The Jets have only ever been awarded 1 by Beath. He has awarded 3 by the opposition.
The Jets have previously had a streak of 13 matches without a win under Beath. We have, however, won 2 of our last 3 matches he has officiated.

[MFKS]

Re your stats Jeterpool

Montano defo got a yellow V heart for delaying a free kick

Am pretty certain Kew got one V Gypos also

By my counts our yellow card tally should be on 8 to us 0 to our opponents

[GazFish35]

Trivia:
1. Stephen Old scored that goal at home where no one knew if it was before or after the whistle, I'll put him in.



that sitaution ****ed us over the title that year. we lcame second on gaosl difference, with the points against wellignton we are clear winners.

or am i thinking of the wrong season?

[Jeterpool]

Re your stats Jeterpool

Montano defo got a yellow V heart for delaying a free kick

Am pretty certain Kew got one V Gypos also

By my counts our yellow card tally should be on 8 to us 0 to our opponents

100% right. Had it in the overall but missed it. New section this week and all.

Thanks!

[Jeterpool]

that sitaution ****ed us over the title that year. we lcame second on gaosl difference, with the points against wellignton we are clear winners.

or am i thinking of the wrong season?

Right season

[Blackmac79]

I feel loose

[Jeterpool]

Steele has been dropped from the travelling party for tomorrow's match. Gallaway brought in for him.

[MFKS]

Steele has been dropped from the travelling party for tomorrow's match. Gallaway brought in for him.

NORTHERN Ireland international Jonny Steele is the first casualty of a culture Phil Stubbins is determined to create at the Newcastle Jets.

In Stubbins’ first major selection decision, Steele was left out of the 16-man travelling squad for the round three A-League clash against Wellington Phoenix at Westpac Stadium on Sunday.

The feisty 28-year-old started on the left wing in the opening two rounds, producing a mixed bag.

But Stubbins insisted Steele’s omission was related to performances on the training pitch rather than in games.

The stance is part of a cultural shift Stubbins targeted when appointed in May.

‘‘For me, training is everything,’’ Stubbins said. ‘‘The application and intensity and everything we want at training needs to be apparent at any given time.

‘‘Maybe it is fatigue on Jonny’s part on this particular occasion, but he was just a little bit short at training. We have the two big games coming up, a lot of travel involved, and we decided to rest him up.’’

After tackling the Phoenix on Sunday, the Jets travel to Perth to take on the Glory next Saturday.

Steele joined the Jets from New York Red Bulls, where he played with Thierry Henry and Tim Cahill, and was one of the club’s high-profile additions under Stubbins.




He used his pace and vision to set up scoring chances for Marcos Flores and Edson Montano in the 1-1 draw with Melbourne City last round.

Against the Mariners he had an opportunity on goal himself but slightly overcooked a chip with keeper Liam Reddy in no-man’s-land.

Mixed in among the positives have been cheap turnovers and wild shots.

A firebrand by nature, Steele expressed his dismay at his axing to support staff after training.

‘‘Anyone who is not involved in the weekend is going to be a little unhappy,’’ Stubbins said. ‘‘Jonny is no different to any other player on that front.’’

Sam Gallaway has replaced Steele in the travelling party.

The 22-year-old started at left back in 24 of 27 games last season but was overlooked in the opening two rounds for David Carney.

His inclusion would allow Carney to push forward into the former Socceroo’s preferred role in midfield.

If Carney stays at left back, Andrew Hoole, who has played two games off the bench, is the most likely to come on to the right wing, with Joel Griffiths switching to the left.

‘‘There are quite a few options,’’ Stubbins said.

‘‘Wellington bring a different formation to the table.

‘‘As a consequence we might shuffle things around in minuscule ways.’’

Midfielder Zenon Caravella is the other likely inclusion as part of a positive approach by Stubbins.

‘‘We have to go there with the mindset of scoring goals and winning games,’’ the coach said on Friday. ‘‘The session we did this morning was based around that.

‘‘The more football we get into the team the better.

‘‘Zenon lends that service to the team in terms of his technical ability.

‘‘Along with Marcos Flores, who has that 70 minutes under his belt, we will start to improve in that area.

‘‘Whether we start with Zenon will depend how we go at training tomorrow. It is a possibility and a strong one. Is it cast in stone? No.’’

Phoenix are fresh from a 2-1 triumph over the Mariners and present a different challenge to the Jets’ last opponent.

‘‘City play a fluent 4-3-3 and are a good product on the eye to watch. They are not predictable, but you understand what they are trying to do,’’ Stubbins said.

‘‘Phoenix, they play with a 4-4-2, which is a bit of a hybrid formation with Michael McGlinchey and Nathan Burns who play off whatever attack presents itself in the front third.

‘‘Thereafter they could end up with one on the left wing, one on the right wing.

‘‘That is the unpredictability they have.

‘‘They scored a wonderful second goal against the Mariners with the fullbacks overlapping and McGlinchey and Nathan Burns involved.’’

FAO Couscous :rof:


Johnny has a confrontation at training with the Griff

Griff wins

Johnny gets dropped.

Don't **** with the Griff

[weston]

Steele has been dropped from the travelling party for tomorrow's match. Gallaway brought in for him.

Why waste the plane seat ? Surely the seat could of been used for Griffs bag or something much more usefull than Gallaway's arse.

[MFKS]

Why waste the plane seat ? Surely the seat could of been used for Griffs bag or something much more usefull than Gallaway's arse.

What price Gallaway starts at left back and Carney plays left mid/wing??

[Couscous]

Oh FFS. Steele is captain of my fantasy team. I was convinced he'd come good (as I did about GVE).

[hawk]

Steele has been dropped from the travelling party for tomorrow's match. Gallaway brought in for him.

we have good depth

[380]

Why waste the plane seat ? Surely the seat could of been used for Griffs bag or something much more usefull than Gallaway's arse.


Gallaway found himself a home under big Stubbs desk me thinks.

[furns]

match details added to OP

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[Hunter403]

I'd rather play with 10 than see Galloway on the park

[Thomas477]

I'd rather play with 10 than see Galloway on the park

What's the difference?

[380]

I'd rather play with 10 than see Galloway on the park

Amen to that. Gallaway is lucky to be NPL level on a good day.

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[hawk]

In Wellington – 12 games
Jets Wins – 2, Phoenix Wins – 8, Drawn – 2
And tossers wonder why we have a negative attitude.

The big win here is the hospitality of the nix fans gutgw

[halo se7en]

I saw Steele, Birraz and someone I didn't recognise have a quick bite at Ground Floor Friday morning before they took off with luggage... I figured they were headed to the airport but obviously not...

[Ranger-86]

2.0 to the good guys, montano 1st goal scorer #confidence

[hawk]

2.0 to the good guys, montano 1st goal scorer #confidence

you may be the lone ranger here. good luck anyway

[joel31]

griff already testing them

[joel31]

well that was crap

[joel31]

Gallagher ball watching. Neville too casual

[Ranger-86]

Sigh.... Silly of me to show some faith

[Mark325]

It hasn't mattered yet but I'm already sick of Carney not understanding that he is a ****ing LB. furns I now understand what you meant when you warned us those countless times

[hawk]

ffs, we have to learn to drop the knee & elbow into cvnts that come smashing in. tends not to happen again.

[Thomas477]

I blame Gallaway being on the bench. His incompetence is clearly affecting the rest of the team.

[joel31]

Neville seems to be struggling

[joel31]

That was a great run by Hoole

[hawk]

nathan Burns = asshole

[joel31]

Burns pace will continue to tear us up if we play so high and no one covers when we press

[Mark325]

God I wish we signed Burns in the off-season.

[sammydog]

I'm happy with who we have up front, burns wasn't what we needed when he became available. Unfortunately we never solved our issues in the mids with subsequent signings.

[joel31]

I'm happy with who we have up front, burns wasn't what we needed when he became available. Unfortunately we never solved our issues in the mids with subsequent signings.
agreed. Zenon hasn't been great thus far today

[Hunter403]

Damn! Lucky I picked up a fresh slab last night: I'm going to need it!!

[joel31]

is there a reason solari is on the bench instead of BK?

[joel31]

where was the pass Griff??

[sammydog]

Definitely should have kept the ball moving left. We were on at goal if he played the obvious ball.

[joel31]

theres too much dribbling, not enough looking for a quick vertical ball

[sammydog]

Playing the ball straight up in the air won't help us?

[Jetmaster]

where was the pass Griff??

Griff out.....what about that penalty claim?

[lquiquer]

I can see Birraz kicking game has improved!!!!:facepalm:

[joel31]

Playing the ball straight up in the air won't help us?
not in the air. I mean quickly forward on the ground. Think dortmund

[joel31]

Griff out.....what about that penalty claim?
I thought it was but didn't see a replay

[joel31]

as if that's not a foul

[joel31]

Who the hell was marking Burns????

[Hunter403]

I need more than beer to watch this tripe.

[halo se7en]

This ref is a ****ing joke.

[Grimario]

Ref could get a job at the Jets. That's how shit he is.

[joel31]

Caravella is so scrappy

[Ranger-86]

Why do we play 4 at the back and the opposition are playn a front 3 and we leave there wide attacking player free , we have a 5 man midfield we dominate for numbers already we dont need fullbacks forward, just dumb play , we are getting shredded in midfield may aswell piss one of them off and get neumann on anyway

[Jetmaster]

Seriously...Birraz needs to go. That punch earlier said it all..he looks to have no confidence.

[joel31]

Should have hit it first time

[joel31]

Why do we play 4 at the back and the opposition are playn a front 3 and we leave there wide attacking player free , we have a 5 man midfield we dominate for numbers already we dont need fullbacks forward, just dumb play , we are getting shredded in midfield may aswell piss one of them off and get neumann on anyway
what do you suggest?

No one was in line with Kew for 2nd goal

[chocolate soldier]

I can smell the jets from here, they dead set stink, hope they end up getting smacked by 5 and caravella gets left in NZ

[Hunter403]

Why is it that players we discard as not good enough or not wanted return to haunt us so badly?

[Hunter403]

Waiter! More beer!

[Grimario]

Seriously...Birraz needs to go. That punch earlier said it all..he looks to have no confidence.

Yeah because punching the ball in the wet is such a great example of a lack of confidence.

Whole team is shit. Shit options up front, turd turnovers in midfield and **** all urgency at the back.

Bring on Version 11.

[Ranger-86]

What do you rekon?

[Ranger-86]

Seriously...Birraz needs to go. That punch earlier said it all..he looks to have no confidence.

Really ????This comes up after he stops the one on one and cops a bad rebound??

[MFKS]

FFS ****s Calm the **** Down

We always get pumped in NZ

Enjoy the game and calm the **** down FFS

PS How shit are we :lulzturtle:

[joel31]

We had an abysmal first 3 games last time and still avoided the spoon

[The Dunster]

Birraz has had a pretty good game so far. Neither of the goals were his fault and he's made some great saves as well.

The referee on the other-hand is an abortion. The Koala was brought down in the box and should have been awarded a penalty - and Montano was tripped just outside the box going directly to goal by the last defender and yet no foul, no card, and no send off.

I don't think Flores is 20% the player he used to be and he needs to be replaced.

[belchardo]

this is terrible. where was carney for both of those goals?

getting nothing from the referee.

[Jetmaster]

At least we can't be last when we finally come home.

[MFKS]

How the **** is that tackle on Nevile not a ****ing card???

[joel31]

I would've brought of Flores not Edson but hopefully Jero provides the spark

[joel31]

I'd put Griff up front and have Jero cutting in on the wing

[Ranger-86]

Thatl f@&kn do me chasing 2 goals and we take montano of for neumann, bloke got about 4 passes to him all game and had 1 half chance. But we will still stick to one up front plz tell me the griff has moved forward witg neumann

[joel31]

Let the goals reign in

[Hunter403]

GVE would be happy: we are winning the possession stats!

SHIT!1 Galloway on. Now we are truly screwed

[joel31]

Hopefully Carney does something in attack though

[belchardo]

And the forum explodes...

[lquiquer]

Gallaway....oh my god!!!!!

[joel31]

we don't know how to counter-attack

[Hunter403]

Wellington parking the bus. We don't look at all dangerous

[joel31]

Where was Gallaway?

[joel31]

made us pay on the defensive transition again

[sammydog]

Are we ****ing playing 1 in defence now?

I still say we have the squad, but stubbins formation is terrible.

[Hunter403]

Can I get my season ticket money back? Truly awful against the worst team (except us) in the A-League

[Ranger-86]

About the 7th time we have been caught short of numbers at the back , seriously why are we playing 4 at the back to their 3 and we have been short of numbers so many times

[MFKS]

made us pay on the transition again

Though where was the foul???

This bloke with the bandage was humping Carneys ****ing leg like a dog to win the ball FFS

[Jetmaster]

Are we ****ing playing 1 in defence now?

I still say we have the squad, but stubbins formation is terrible.

This... the formation looks unbalanced.

[joel31]

About the 7th time we have been caught short of numbers at rhe back , aeriously why are we playing 4 at the back to their 3 and we have been short of numbers so many times
They are playing (or at least were) 2 up front. We are very slow in the defensive transition. Gallagher has been invisible

[belchardo]

At least we won't need a MOTM thread this week. Nobody deserves points. Maybe the kit man, the strips look very clean this week. Could be because NOBODY IS MAKING A BLOODY EFFORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[joel31]

as if that's not a pen

[joel31]

At least we won't need a MOTM thread this week. Nobody deserves points. Maybe the kit man, the strips look very clean this week. Could be because NOBODY IS MAKING A BLOODY EFFORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'd give it to Birraz. Hes not at fault at all

[Ranger-86]

They are playing (or at least were) 2 up front. We are very slow in the defensive transition. Gallagher has been invisible

They have playing an attacking 3 , burns, brockie and mcglinchy from the start of the game

[belchardo]

we don't know how to counter-attack

Or mark. Or defend. Or attack. Or tackle. But gee the hairstyles look good this week.

[sammydog]

This... the formation looks unbalanced.

I'm calling it the Random formation, because our players are randomly scattered around the park.

[Mark325]

At least we won't need a MOTM thread this week. Nobody deserves points. Maybe the kit man, the strips look very clean this week. Could be because NOBODY IS MAKING A BLOODY EFFORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jaliens for me, the dude has been our whole back-line for a majority of this game

[MFKS]

Gee how good is that Jonny Steele bloke though???

[Hunter403]

Roundabout off. Virgin on.

[Ranger-86]

Just wanna punch these kiwi twats commentating, they are in for a ride shock when the phoenix actually play a good team that doesnt gift them 3 tap ins

[joel31]

i watched the goals again. Are we trying to playing Jaliens as a sweeper and Gallagher as a stopper?

[The Dunster]

If Flores was energetic enough at training to get a start then Johnny Steele must be in a coma.

[hawk]

we are weak as piss. thank fk for griff

[belchardo]

If Flores was energetic enough at training to get a start then Johnny Steele must be in a coma.

Have been thinking the same thing.

[joel31]

was that kew to tackle on burns?

[MFKS]

Forza Griffo

[joel31]

Griff!!

[Mark325]

credit were credit is due to Gallaway for the tackle on Burns. At least we grabbed one

[joel31]

was that kew to tackle on burns?
oh it was Gallaway. Incredible tackle

[redwah]

Griff!!

See his gesture to the bench..." That's ****ing why"... Guess Griff wants to play up top

[Hunter403]

I call bullshit! Couldn't be Galloway. Must have been someone in disguise. OK, I'll give him praise for that tackle.

[joel31]

Neville with the ball has been quite good most of the time, defensively not so

[OmeletteDuFromage]

If Flores was energetic enough at training to get a start then Johnny Steele must be in a coma.

Steele dropped cause of Griffiths incident

[Hunter403]

Too little too late Griff.

[MFKS]

FFS

Be thankful Birraz is such a good keeper Galloway didn't score a ****ing own goal

[joel31]

See his gesture to the bench..." That's ****ing why"... Guess Griff wants to play up top
Jeronimo is better not as a lone striker as well anyway

[Pico]

Would be great if we didn't waste Griff out wide until the game is gone.

[joel31]

prepare for the birraz abuse

[hawk]

Ya like that burns

[Hunter403]

Another ex Jet....

[Jetmaster]

Birrashitti......

[joel31]

Another ex-Jet scores

[Ranger-86]

Solari gets a shot next week??

[Hunter403]

Stubbins out!

[OmeletteDuFromage]

FFS

Be thankful Birraz is such a good keeper Galloway didn't score a ****ing own goal

yeah true, great punch just then

[belchardo]

prepare for the birraz abuse

Deserves it. Just seems to have no spatial or situational awareness.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Aids.
Biraz flapping.

[MFKS]

Thanks guys

I am off to the TAB poste haste to collect my winnings.


MIGHT GO ROLL IT IN TO ANOTHER DEAD CERTAINTY NEXT WEEK

[matty]

**** me when are these jokers going to learn that birraz is useless inside his 6 yard box. Last week, derby day and now this week in a losing cause. Time he had a spell on the pine if you ask me

[redwah]

Holy crap it's hard listening to the kiwi commentators....the Phoenix are not that good, aren't playing that well, we are just terrible. Honestly do they practice defensive setups under a big top. Three or four times burns has just been passed the ball with no defence in front of him. Kew needs to sort out the line sharpish if we aren't to concede this many every week.

[Grimario]

Jaliens for me, the dude has been our whole back-line for a majority of this game

Pepper too. And Griff. Everyone else can **** off.

[MFKS]

**** me when are these jokers going to learn that birraz is useless inside his 6 yard box. Last week, derby day and now this week in a losing cause. Time he had a spell on the pine if you ask me

MATE IF YOUR GONNA **** UP MAY AS WELL DO IT IN A LOSING CAUSE

Could not give a **** we lost or if Birraz ****ed up it ain't like the rest of them were not ****ing hopeless.


Be interesting to see the response next week end

[lquiquer]

Birraztitis is contagious.........no one phased!!!!! Response next week? Loose 4-1

[lquiquer]

Birraztitis is contagious.........no one phased!!!!! Response next week? Loose 4-1

including 2 goals from Zad from 30m out

[Hunter403]

Didn't someone call Birra a vampire cause he hates crosses.

Nicknames are adding up
Roundabout
Virgin (still not scored)
The Vampire
The Imposter (Galloway)

[belchardo]

Whoever is playing left back: the invisible man.

[belchardo]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/25/should-fans-be-refunded-for-poor-performances-debate

:whistling:

Maybe they could refund my fox subscription for this week too.

[Jetmaster]

Why can't we keep the game simple? Four at the back to defend and two up front to score goals.....

[Couscous]

Oh dear. I missed the game and just saw the result.

#BringBackGVE

[sammydog]

**** me when are these jokers going to learn that birraz is useless inside his 6 yard box. Last week, derby day and now this week in a losing cause. Time he had a spell on the pine if you ask me

He may be, but he didn't cost us the game today. I rate BK and Birraz equally, both have their own strength and weaknesses.

Stubbins has a lot to answer for, not sure what he is doing formation wise as it looks like a random splattering of players on the park, but its clearly not working. I wonder if we are watching GVE MkII and he is going to stick to his system irrespective of results?

Our wide defence is so quick to push forward in attack its leaving us exposed at the back. No one seems to be busting a gut to get back when they are caught out. The 4-5-1 is just a 4-3-3 dressed up and we are being over run in the mids. It could be equally formation as it is players not understanding or doing their job, but lets see a coach adapt for once.

[joel31]

the formation was a 1-1-1
the others were in no mans land most of the game

[sammydog]

Pretty much sums it up.

[The Dunster]

I don't care if Johnny Steele bit a team mates dick off in the showers he should never have been left out of the squad.

[sammydog]

I don't care if Johnny Steele bit a team mates dick off in the showers he should never have been left out of the squad.

I was worried when he was left out. Happy to see caravella come in, but it should have been done without dropping Steele.

[joel31]

I was worried when he was left out. Happy to see caravella come in, but it should have been done without dropping Steele.
Caravella was terrible

[The Dunster]

I thought Caravella did well considering he was playing his own position and covering about 90% of Flores' workload as well.

The reason he looked terrible is that Flores wasn't getting involved or providing any options.

[sammydog]

I agree, I don't think Caravella was terrible. Same as last season, he was trying too hard to cover other people. A lot of players need to look a lot harder at themselves that Caravella needs to.

[Hunter403]

Anyone else noted that we have played the three weakest teams in our first 3 matches for 6 against, 2 for and 1 point. God help us when we meet the Smurfs or Victory. It will be ugly.

[MFKS]

Anyone else noted that we have played the three weakest teams in our first 3 matches for 6 against, 2 for and 1 point. God help us when we meet the Smurfs or Victory. It will be ugly.

Like **** it will we tend to beat the best teams.

I also don't think come seasons end Wellington will be considered a weak team by many

[Superdylan]

So ****en typical

Perf away next week ffs

[Jetmaster]

Bet we get flogged next week then get a 2-1 win against Victory the week after.

[380]

Stubbins out!

Not quite yet but FMD he got outcoached today deluxe. We were getting raped in the middle of the park from the get go. As previously mentioned i don't think we even had a formation to change from or to.

Taking big Edson off surprised me. Bloke trying to live of absolute shit service. Perhaps those meant to provide him with half decent service should have been hooked first.

[380]

Oh dear. I missed the game and just saw the result.

#BringBackGVE

Go back to the ACT Gaz LOL !

[GazFish35]

Only just caught the lowlights.

Who was (or perhaps wasn't) playing/pretending as our left back?

Birraz for the forth. Oh my.
He better train well.

[weston]

I haven't read too many comments. And I have only watched the highlights but for Burns' second goal does anyone else think that Jaliens gave up chasing the ball too easily. I mean I think he should of instead of stop running go to around to the back of Birighitti incase of the scenario that happened. He was never going to tackle burns, he did what he could but than he handed responsibility to birraz and gave up.

I think he could of saved that goal if he had of kept going and went behind Birighitti for the scraps.

I know the initial problem was made much further up the park.

[furns]

What the actual ****?
I mean, we never expect to win in Wello but ffs why do we insist on hoofing the ball up towards our forwards every five seconds in swirling winds - wondering why the ball never find its intended target?
And Griff & Kew are the only blokes who give a shit, they were all about to slink off down the tunnel until they made the rest of the team come and thank the 8 Newy people who made the effort to travel.

Caravan, great bloke but he finally starts and then can't pass a ball to save his arse. Main culprit for our terrible midfield today, so many mislaid passes.

[belchardo]

What the actual ****?
I mean, we never expect to win in Wello but ffs why do we insist on hoofing the ball up towards our forwards every five seconds in swirling winds - wondering why the ball never find its intended target?
And Griff & Kew are the only blokes who give a shit, they were all about to slink off down the tunnel until they made the rest of the team come and thank the 8 Newy people who made the effort to travel.

Caravan, great bloke but he finally starts and then can't pass a ball to save his arse. Main culprit for our terrible midfield today, so many mislaid passes.

did you see them at the pub before the game? only reason I can think of for such a pathetic performance is that you had them on the cans before the game.

[Jeterpool]

To answer the question before - BK didn't travel because he has an ear issue I believe.

That was a very poor performance, which is an understatement I know. It was really hard watching because we got schooled by a very good midfield and an excellent counter attacking team.

I think we had a number of passengers yesterday. It took me 4 replays to spot where David Carney was for the first goal. He ended up at the top of the box and I have no reason why he was there. Carney is a real problem for me and I'm unsure if he is under instruction or if he's doing It himself but he's always 10-20m further upfield than Neville and I rarely see him doing his defensive duties. Bringing on Gallaway introduced a left back for us because Carney was continuously in the attacking third.

Flores really did nothing yesterday. We looked far more threatening, and Edson had greater service, when Griffiths played behind him. We also looked much stronger in midfield with Regan in there. Celeski can't come back soon enough.

Credit to Pepper, Griffiths and Jaliens yesterday. They ran their asses off.

Re: Birrighitti, the first and third goal wasn't his fault and the second was simply unlucky. He made a very brave save diving at the feet of Burns and I was giving him a point in my MoM until the last goal - that was a very poor effort. Those who have been at the game - how vocal is he?

Anyway, Stubbins certainly got done over yesterday. Those calling for GvE to come back I hope you're taking the piss. And I know someone was wanting a new untried coach and not the same old dross - well we have one. Let's give him some time. I certainly think he'll learn from this for the next game - but we have a big challenge against Perth next weekend.

[sammydog]

Carney is a real problem for me and I'm unsure if he is under instruction or if he's doing It himself but he's always 10-20m further upfield than Neville and I rarely see him doing his defensive duties. Bringing on Gallaway introduced a left back for us because Carney was continuously in the attacking third.

I think they are under instruction, Carney (and to a lesser extent Neville) are very quick to move forward when we have the ball, no doubt to release Griff and Hoole further up the park.

That left us with two at the back, and no one busting their arse to cover in defence when we lost the ball. I don't even think it was us trying to hold a high line, just the wide backs trying to get involved in the attack too quick too often. We look completely without structure on the park, so often it just looked like a random splattering of players whether we had the ball or not.

My belief is we really do have the players this season. But in preseason it was evident we were being overrun in the mids and nothing has changed to address this.

The midfield is the problem for me. Not the players, but the formation, or lack of.

[Nou Camp]

on the plus side i dont think we can possibly play any worse than that!!!
basic basic errors
watching a NPL team against a league side in the ffa cup put up more of a fight

[MFKS]

To answer the question before - BK didn't travel because he has an ear issue I believe.

That was a very poor performance, which is an understatement I know. It was really hard watching because we got schooled by a very good midfield and an excellent counter attacking team.

I think we had a number of passengers yesterday. It took me 4 replays to spot where David Carney was for the first goal. He ended up at the top of the box and I have no reason why he was there. Carney is a real problem for me and I'm unsure if he is under instruction or if he's doing It himself but he's always 10-20m further upfield than Neville and I rarely see him doing his defensive duties. Bringing on Gallaway introduced a left back for us because Carney was continuously in the attacking third.

Flores really did nothing yesterday. We looked far more threatening, and Edson had greater service, when Griffiths played behind him. We also looked much stronger in midfield with Regan in there. Celeski can't come back soon enough.

Credit to Pepper, Griffiths and Jaliens yesterday. They ran their asses off.

Re: Birrighitti, the first and third goal wasn't his fault and the second was simply unlucky. He made a very brave save diving at the feet of Burns and I was giving him a point in my MoM until the last goal - that was a very poor effort. Those who have been at the game - how vocal is he?

Anyway, Stubbins certainly got done over yesterday. Those calling for GvE to come back I hope you're taking the piss. And I know someone was wanting a new untried coach and not the same old dross - well we have one. Let's give him some time. I certainly think he'll learn from this for the next game - but we have a big challenge against Perth next weekend.

Good Post

I honestly couldn't give a **** we got beaten and we got flogged.

What interests me now is the response from Stubbins and the team.

Are these blokes gonna put their shoulder to the wheel and dig in and fight for their fans and for Newy and turn it around in the next few weeks and rest of the season or are they gonna surrender??

PS As for Carney's positioning one time in the first half we had the ball on half way and had Phoenix pushed back in their half and Carney was in the right back spot and on the ball??

WTF is going on to be so ****ed up

[ramsbelong@jesmondpark]

That game yesterday was surely as bad as it can get.

I think it's been mentioned on here by those that love Griff that maybe he, Pepper and Kew can hold their heads high I tend to agree mostly, but kinda feel a bit for Birra too. There was bugger all structure in front of him and yes, he could have done better for the 4th. I'll get to Caravella later.

On Kew - obviously a class player and does appear to continue to put in a shift regardless of how the game is panning out. However, as a leader and as a captain he needs to take more responsibility for those in his backline. He needs to be constantly communicating with them and reeling them in. Blind Freddy can see we over-commit too often. Sure let the wide fullbacks push whilst the DM cover is there. If that cover isn't set the fullbacks simply don't go. It's quite simple really. Kew should be able to see all that and direct accordingly.

I'm happy to be shot down here but Caravella doesn't deserve some of this criticism. He works his socks off to cover those around him and generally tries to be an option wherever possible and likewise he tries to keep the ball moving. There are a few that could do with being slated before him I think..... (can't defend him for last weeks miss)

[Serd1]

Totally outplayed, there passing game was spot on. Our backs were f*#king always out of position.
Yes we should have been awarded that dot shot but all in all bloody bad performance...

[joel31]

I think they are under instruction, Carney (and to a lesser extent Neville) are very quick to move forward when we have the ball, no doubt to release Griff and Hoole further up the park.

That left us with two at the back, and no one busting their arse to cover in defence when we lost the ball. I don't even think it was us trying to hold a high line, just the wide backs trying to get involved in the attack too quick too often. We look completely without structure on the park, so often it just looked like a random splattering of players whether we had the ball or not.

My belief is we really do have the players this season. But in preseason it was evident we were being overrun in the mids and nothing has changed to address this.

The midfield is the problem for me. Not the players, but the formation, or lack of.
more like 1. Gallagher did nothing all game

[furns]

That game yesterday was surely as bad as it can get.

I think it's been mentioned on here by those that love Griff that maybe he, Pepper and Kew can hold their heads high I tend to agree mostly, but kinda feel a bit for Birra too. There was bugger all structure in front of him and yes, he could have done better for the 4th. I'll get to Caravella later.

On Kew - obviously a class player and does appear to continue to put in a shift regardless of how the game is panning out. However, as a leader and as a captain he needs to take more responsibility for those in his backline. He needs to be constantly communicating with them and reeling them in. Blind Freddy can see we over-commit too often. Sure let the wide fullbacks push whilst the DM cover is there. If that cover isn't set the fullbacks simply don't go. It's quite simple really. Kew should be able to see all that and direct accordingly.

I'm happy to be shot down here but Caravella doesn't deserve some of this criticism. He works his socks off to cover those around him and generally tries to be an option wherever possible and likewise he tries to keep the ball moving. There are a few that could do with being slated before him I think..... (can't defend him for last weeks miss)

My issue with Zenon was not his work rate. The issue was his constant turnovers when we needed to keep possession.

[sammydog]

Problem was, who was Caravella supposed to give the ball to? Our shape was horrendous and we rarely had players in position to receive a ball or give options.

Yes he gave the ball away, but the rest of the team didn't give him many options.

[Beeen]

Needs to be more gallaway hate on here, its died down to an unacceptable level. He is pure gash.

[MFKS]

Problem was, who was Caravella supposed to give the ball to? Our shape was horrendous and we rarely had players in position to receive a ball or give options.

Yes he gave the ball away, but the rest of the team didn't give him many options.

Maybe if caravella released the ball
a forward
b quickly

a lot of his issues would be resolved.

The problem is he needs to take 8 touches before passing the thing. Of course then his options are less and to be perfectly fair he is the greatest contributor to his downfall

[hawk]

Problem was, who was Caravella supposed to give the ball to? Our shape was horrendous and we rarely had players in position to receive a ball or give options.

Yes he gave the ball away, but the rest of the team didn't give him many options.

I saw this too. A few of us were hiding.

Birraz has a big problem. He has dropped below aleague quality especially in the air. hello BK.

[la bazzle]

Needs to be more gallaway hate on here, its died down to an unacceptable level. He is pure gash.

Agreed. Bin him. Didnt watch the game but was defo shit and was even terrible on the bench. Couldn't even sit in proper position

[The Dunster]

Maybe if caravella released the ball
a forward
b quickly

a lot of his issues would be resolved.

The problem is he needs to take 8 touches before passing the thing. Of course then his options are less and to be perfectly fair he is the greatest contributor to his downfall

Unlike Flores who gives the ball back to the opposition with his first touch.

You expect far too much from Caravella given the bloke we actually employ as our playmaker is the real problem.

Drop Flores and I think we will be a far more competitive team.

A stint in NYL will do him good.

[MFKS]

Unlike Flores who gives the ball back to the opposition with his first touch.

You expect far too much from Caravella given the bloke we actually employ as our playmaker is the real problem.

Drop Flores and I think we will be a far more competitive team.

A stint in NYL will do him good.

The bloke has had barely 180 mins of competitive action after coming back from a major injury and you wish to axe him and right him off based on the fact our midfield was overrun and the supply given to him was shite??

If you think the Florist is gone run his socks off in defence then you are mistaken. If you think this bloke is gonna be a superstar when he gets poor ball and is constantly in tight spaces then you have issues

If the CM's when we win the ball play the thing precisely to the bloke and at speed then he can do some damage. If Roundabout wants to take 8 touches and run around in a circle before releasing it we won't see the best of Flores

To say blokes ain't showing is a complete crock of shite. Blokes don't get the ball when they do show as we refuse to move the ball at any speed. Our movement can be a lot better make no mistake about that but the issue lies with our players playing the first ball forward and quickly to start our attack

I don't expect too much from Caravella. All I expect him to do is win the ball hold position and pass the ball onto our attacking players. Reality is it is Flores Montano Griff etc who will create our attack and not this bloke. He needs to keep it simple and stop ****ing around with it thinking he is Xavi.

Our issue on Sunday was our midfield was so far behind the Phoenix mids in level of performance it was not funny. Add in our defence were failing to mark up or be first to the ball and we got what we got.

Even the criticism of Birraz is bordering on farce. The bloke was exemplary for 90 mins and his only blemish was he came for a cross and got caught in no mans land in the 92nd min and cost us a goal,

It happens keepers make mistakes and when you are losing anyway that's the time to make them not when the game is in the balance

The bullshit about him punching the ball in the first half is ****ing absurd. The ball ended up 40m from goal near the sideline so end of day he has done the right thing and cleared the threat and allowed his defenders to regroup and get set so **** OFF with that shit

[The Dunster]

I don't want Flores axed. I want him to get a run in NYL so he can get himself right for our A-league campaign.

As things currently stand he does not appear to be moving freely and looks well short of a gallop fitness wise.

[MFKS]

I don't want Flores axed. I want him to get a run in NYL so he can get himself right for our A-league campaign.

As things currently stand he does not appear to be moving freely and looks well short of a gallop fitness wise.

As the Yoof team didn't play last weekend it wasn't an alternative

The bloke got through 90 mins and will be better for it in coming weeks.


The time to play him in the NYL has past and he should have started the season in it if that was the plan.

The bloke is allegedly one of our best and that ain't required.

Suppose you were also whinging Griff should have been playing NYL last year when he came back short of fitness from walking the world curing disaease etc??

Didn't think so

[Grimario]

The bloke has had barely 180 mins of competitive action after coming back from a major injury and you wish to axe him and right him off based on the fact our midfield was overrun and the supply given to him was shite??


Sounds like James Brown.

Let's stick with him until his confidence is so completely and utterly destroyed and then let him rot till he leaves.

OR... let's let him get match fit in NYL instead of just jamming him in because he is our supposed playmaker.

[MFKS]

Sounds like James Brown.

Let's stick with him until his confidence is so completely and utterly destroyed and then let him rot till he leaves.

OR... let's let him get match fit in NYL instead of just jamming him in because he is our supposed playmaker.

GVE ain't the ****ing coach!!!

[GazFish35]

I'd reckon Flores' mindset might be a bit different to James Brown's

[Grimario]

GVE ain't the ****ing coach!!!

Could have fooled me. Fullbacks pushed up into the wingers assholes, lose possession in midfield, destroyed on counter.

Apart from his accent, what the **** is different to GVE?


Maybe the naysayers on FB are correct... our players are shit and have let down every coach that has come and gone.

[MFKS]

Could have fooled me. Fullbacks pushed up into the wingers assholes, lose possession in midfield, destroyed on counter.

Apart from his accent, what the **** is different to GVE?


Maybe the naysayers on FB are correct... our players are shit and have let down every coach that has come and gone.

Remember who you are talking to.

If I still am giving Stubbins a chance and am not prepared to stick the knife in yet then maybe a few others should get off the blokes back.


As I said earlier I couldn't give a **** we played poorly got flogged. It happens. With Newy much more often than it should

What interests me is how Stubbins and the team respond to last Sunday's shit.

I hope to see some team selections and tactics altered.

I also EXPECT the vast majority of players to turn in significantly improved individual efforts

I wish to see us aim up and have a solid crack at Perth this week.
I EXPECT to see that

PS The difference between Stubbins and GVE is that Stubbins now has the chance to rectify the failings. Hopefully he does

GVE on the other hand would in this instance would soldier on banging his head against the brick wall forever

[joel31]

The bloke has had barely 180 mins of competitive action after coming back from a major injury and you wish to axe him and right him off based on the fact our midfield was overrun and the supply given to him was shite??
Caravella has played around 90 mins of competitive action since hes been out of football for 5 months, whats the difference

[Thomas477]

I'd reckon Flores' mindset might be a bit different to James Brown's

This.

[MFKS]

Caravella has played around 90 mins of competitive action since hes been out of football for 5 months, whats the difference

Caravella is shit

Always was and always will be not good enough for us.

If we were that desperate for a central mid then should have hit up Jobe to come back.

Least the bloke is Newy

[380]

Sounds like James Brown.

Let's stick with him until his confidence is so completely and utterly destroyed and then let him rot till he leaves.

OR... let's let him get match fit in NYL instead of just jamming him in because he is our supposed playmaker.


James Brown was overated. What has he really done as a footballer ?.

[380]

Caravella is shit

Always was and always will be not good enough for us.

If we were that desperate for a central mid then should have hit up Jobe to come back.

Least the bloke is Newy

Gotta agree here, At the time we were looking for a defensive style midfielder were we not ?. The only thing roundabout manages to tackle and impede are his own team mates.

[redwah]

Maybe if caravella released the ball
a forward
b quickly

a lot of his issues would be resolved.

The problem is he needs to take 8 touches before passing the thing. Of course then his options are less and to be perfectly fair he is the greatest contributor to his downfall

Finally a post I agree with you on.

Caravella had at least half a dozen instances where he could have moved the ball on to a team mate in a better position that would have continued an attack, only to turn away and go backwards or lose the ball. Quick ball movement is the order of the day in this league.

Maybe under all your usual vitriol and bile you dish up towards the club and team you are supposed to "support" there is a tiny amount of intelligence

[Hunter403]

Finally a post I agree with you on.

Caravella had at least half a dozen instances where he could have moved the ball on to a team mate in a better position that would have continued an attack, only to turn away and go backwards or lose the ball. Quick ball movement is the order of the day in this league.

Maybe under all your usual vitriol and bile you dish up towards the club and team you are supposed to "support" there is a tiny amount of intelligence


For a time last season the Roundabout did release is quickly and forward and he really improved. I hoped this was the "light bulb" moment for him but he seems to have gone back to his old ways on the evidence so far this season. I do hope he goes back on the good stuff. That Roundabout is a good one.

[MFKS]

Finally a post I agree with you on.

Caravella had at least half a dozen instances where he could have moved the ball on to a team mate in a better position that would have continued an attack, only to turn away and go backwards or lose the ball. Quick ball movement is the order of the day in this league.

Maybe under all your usual vitriol and bile you dish up towards the club and team you are supposed to "support" there is a tiny amount of intelligence
Just turning over a new leaf and trying to be a bit less crazy:thumbsup:

[redwah]

Just turning over a new leaf and trying to be a bit less crazy:thumbsup:

Would be nice if the club and the team tried the same approach....it would fantastic to go into a season without some form of drama clouding things off the field and a clear identity on it. For a non capital city club we have the potential to be fantastic but for whatever reason we just can't seem to get our shit together....God help us if we do, some supporters may go through their own identity crisis then.