Rd 12 Melbourne Victory v Newcastle Jets 27/12/14 k/off 7:30pm AEDST

[hawk]

2014/15 A-League Round 12 Preview – Melbourne Victory v Newcastle Jets
Overall – 28 games between the two teams.
Jets Wins – 12, Victory Wins – 9, Drawn – 7


In Melbourne – 14 games
Jets Wins – 5, Victory Wins – 7, Drawn – 2

Average Home A-League crowd – 18106

Goals in Fixture
Jets – 40, Victory – 40

Cards in Fixture
Jets – 51 (47 Yellow, 4 Red), Victory – 45 (42 Yellow, 3 Red)

Recent Form (FFA Cup & A-League)
Jets – WLLDD
Victory – LDWWW

Leading Scorers
Jets – Joel Griffiths 3, Victory – Besart Berisha, Archie Thompson - 6

Last Result -
Jets 2 (Jaliens 31', Griffiths 33' pen) – Victory 2 (Ben Kalfallah 36', Berisha 48') at Hunter Stadium, A-League Season 10, Round 5, 08/11/2014 .


FIXTURE RECORDS


Biggest Win

Jets 4 (Bridge 36’, Bridge 48’, Coveny 51’, J Griffiths 73’) – Victory 0 at Hunter Stadium, Round 21, Season 2, 19/01/2007.

Heaviest Defeat

Jets 0 – Victory 5 (Hernandez 41’, Thompson 45’, Allsopp 61’, Allsopp 64’, Brebner 90’), Round 3, Season 4 at AAMI Park, 29/08/2008.
Jets 0 – 5 (Rojas 8’, Leijer 15’, Milligan 30’ pen, Milligan 55’ pen, Rojas 66’), Round 23, Season 8, 03/03/2013

Leading Scorers in fixture –

Jets – 5 Joel Griffiths
Victory – 7 Archie Thompson


2014/15 SEASON STATISTICS

Appearances

•11 David Carney, Joel Griffiths, Edson Montano
•10 Kew Jaliens, Andrew Hoole, Jeronimo Neumann
•8 Sam Gallagher, Zenon Caravella, Jacob Pepper, Scott Neville
•6 Mark Birrighiti, Marco Flores, Allan Wesh, Sam Gallaway, Ben Kantarovski, Adrian Madaschi, James Virgili
•5 Taylor Regan, Ben Kennedy
•4 Billy Celeski,
•2 Jonny Steele
•1 Nicholas Cowburn


Goals

•3 Joel Griffiths
•2 Edson Montano, Jeronimo Neumann,
•1 Kew Jaliens, Marco Flores, Scott Neville


Assists

•3 David Carney
•1 Joel Griffiths, Scott Neville, Jacob Pepper, Taylor Regan, Andrew Hoole, Adrian Madaschi


Yellow Cards

•3 Taylor Regan, Kew Jaliens, Jeronimo Neumann
•2 Jacob Pepper, Marcos Flores, Edson Montano, Adrian Madaschi, Andrew Hoole,
•1 Jonny Steele, David Carney, Allan Welsh, Ben Kantarovski, Sam Gallaway, Scott Neville, James Virgili


Red Cards

•1 Kew Jaliens

COACHING

Coaches Head to Head – 1 match
Phil Stubbins - 0 wins, Kevin Muscat - 0 wins, 1 drawn,

Newcastle Jets A-League Coaching Records –

•Phil Stubbins - 1 Matches (0 wins, 1 drawn, 0 loss = 0% win ratio)
•Gary Van Egmond – 16 matches (10 wins, 2 drawn and 4 losses = 19% win ratio)
•Richard Money – 3 matches (1 win, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 33% win ratio)
•Branko Culina – 6 matches (1 wins, 2 drawn, 3 losses = 17% win ratio)
•Nick Theodorakopoulos – 1 match (0 wins, 0 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
•Clayton Zane – 1 match (0 wins, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
•Craig Deans - 0 matches (0 win, 0 drawn, 0 loss = -% win ratio)


Melbourne Victory Coach Record – Kevin Muscat 20% win ratio (1 win, 3 drawn, 1 loss)

KEY FACTS:

•The Jets haven’t kept a clean sheet in the last 11 matches against Melbourne Victory.
•At least one player has scored a double in the last 5 fixtures against the Victory in Melbourne.
•The Jets haven't kept a clean sheet in the last 10 matches in Melbourne. The last was Season 3, Round 10.
•Only 4 opposition players have received yellow cards this year. The Jets are now on 26 yellows and 1 straight red.
•If they play this weekend, Ben Kantarovski will become the 7th highest capped Jets player with 93 appearances, surpassing Labinot Haliti. Ben Kennedy will equal Ruben Zadkovich's 97 appearances, moving the equal 5th while Joel Griffiths will make his 80th appearance, equalling Jade North
•The Jets are currently on an 11 game streak without a clean sheet.
•The Jets have won on the 3 occasions they have lead at half time. However, they've only managed to salvage 1 point from the 6 times they've trailed at half time.
•It's now 29 matches in a row where the Jets have failed to score in the first 15 minutes.
•Ben Kennedy has conceded 8 goals in 6 appearances in Melbourne. He has one clean sheet which was in his first appearance in Melbourne back in Season 3.


•In the last 7 seasons, the Jets are the only team to have scored more than 3 goals in one match in this fixture. .
•The Jets have never salvaged a point against Adelaide when trailing at half time.
•If the Jets fail to win this weekend, it will equal the longest winless streak in the clubs history.
•The Jets have won their last two matches against Adelaide at home on a Friday night. Both matches saw the Jets keep a clean sheet with Ben Kennedy between the sticks.
•Newcastle’s last 10 Friday night matches record is (W-D-L) 2-2-6.
•The Jets haven’t scored on a Friday night so far this season.
•In the last 10 meetings, Adelaide have only scored two first half goals.
•The final meeting last year was Michael Bridges retirement match.
•This season the Jets have conceded 11 goals in the last 20 minutes (70 minutes+) and 10 in the 70 minutes prior to that.
•Ben Kantarovski will equal the number of appearances for the Jets as Labinot Haliti if he plays this weekend with 92.
•Nigel Boogaard is the player who has received the most bookings in this fixture with 6 (4 yellows and 2 red).
•The current Adelaide player who has scored the most A-League goals against the Jets is Bruce Djite with 4.



Jets v Victory Trivia:
1. Who are the 5 players to have scored doubles in the last 5 fixtures in Melbourne?

2. Which Jets player has provided the most assists against the Victory (toughie!)?

3. Who has scored the fastest goal in this fixture?
....Stats by JP...


The league table between these teams doesnt look good but now we have that win out of the way we can relax.

nightmare

[plague]

Doomed.
Cricket score.
etc etc.

[Grimario]

Nah, I said we would win 3 in a row to give us false hope. The FFA Cup champions, the team everyone loves to hate and then Moneybags City. Virgili will score his first ever A-League goal, maybe even get an assist, Gallaway will do something verging on okay, both will get new 2 year deals and then we won't win until April.

Jets!

[Bon]

Nah, I said we would win 3 in a row to give us false hope. The FFA Cup champions, the team everyone loves to hate and then Moneybags City. Virgili will score his first ever A-League goal, maybe even get an assist, Gallaway will do something verging on okay, both will get new 2 year deals and then we won't win until April.

Jets!

Bloody hell..
Where has all this positivity come from, Grim? You get your leg-over with the Mrs on a DG course this morning or something?

[Grimario]

Bloody hell..
Where has all this positivity come from, Grim? You get your leg-over with the Mrs on a DG course this morning or something?

End of season points guessing comp...


19 points. We'll have a false dawn in there somewhere, getting three wins on the trot including a big team away.

[Jeterpool]

(Insert official stuff here)


The league table between these teams doesnt look good but now we have that win out of the way we can relax.

nightmare

Since when was the rubbish I post official?

[GazFish35]

Muscat's post game gift for phil.


http://s1.hubimg.com/u/8957374_f260.jpg

[Superdylan]

Back to reality unfortunately this week

Victory 4-0

[Jeterpool]

2014/15 A-League Round 12 Preview – Melbourne Victory v Newcastle Jets



Overall – 28 games between the two teams.
Jets Wins – 12, Victory Wins – 9, Drawn – 7


In Melbourne – 14 games
Jets Wins – 5, Victory Wins – 7, Drawn – 2

Average Home A-League crowd – 18106

Goals in Fixture
Jets – 40, Victory – 40

Cards in Fixture
Jets – 51 (47 Yellow, 4 Red), Victory – 45 (42 Yellow, 3 Red)

Recent Form (FFA Cup & A-League)
Jets – WLLDD
Victory – LDWWW

Leading Scorers
Jets – Joel Griffiths 3, Victory – Besart Berisha, Archie Thompson - 6

Last Result -
Jets 2 (Jaliens 31', Griffiths 33' pen) – Victory 2 (Ben Kalfallah 36', Berisha 48') at Hunter Stadium, A-League Season 10, Round 5, 08/11/2014 .


FIXTURE RECORDS


Biggest Win

Jets 4 (Bridge 36’, Bridge 48’, Coveny 51’, J Griffiths 73’) – Victory 0 at Hunter Stadium, Round 21, Season 2, 19/01/2007.

Heaviest Defeat

Jets 0 – Victory 5 (Hernandez 41’, Thompson 45’, Allsopp 61’, Allsopp 64’, Brebner 90’), Round 3, Season 4 at AAMI Park, 29/08/2008.
Jets 0 – 5 (Rojas 8’, Leijer 15’, Milligan 30’ pen, Milligan 55’ pen, Rojas 66’), Round 23, Season 8, 03/03/2013

Leading Scorers in fixture –

Jets – 5 Joel Griffiths
Victory – 7 Archie Thompson


2014/15 SEASON STATISTICS

Appearances

11 David Carney, Joel Griffiths, Edson Montano
10 Kew Jaliens, Andrew Hoole, Jeronimo Neumann
8 Sam Gallagher, Zenon Caravella, Jacob Pepper, Scott Neville
6 Mark Birrighiti, Marco Flores, Allan Wesh, Sam Gallaway, Ben Kantarovski, Adrian Madaschi, James Virgili
5 Taylor Regan, Ben Kennedy
4 Billy Celeski,
2 Jonny Steele
1 Nicholas Cowburn


Goals

3 Joel Griffiths
2 Edson Montano, Jeronimo Neumann,
1 Kew Jaliens, Marco Flores, Scott Neville



Assists

3 David Carney
1 Joel Griffiths, Scott Neville, Jacob Pepper, Taylor Regan, Andrew Hoole, Adrian Madaschi



Yellow Cards

3 Taylor Regan, Kew Jaliens, Jeronimo Neumann
2 Jacob Pepper, Marcos Flores, Edson Montano, Adrian Madaschi, Andrew Hoole,
1 Jonny Steele, David Carney, Allan Welsh, Ben Kantarovski, Sam Gallaway, Scott Neville, James Virgili



Red Cards

1 Kew Jaliens


COACHING

Coaches Head to Head – 1 match
Phil Stubbins - 0 wins, Kevin Muscat - 0 wins, 1 drawn,

Newcastle Jets A-League Coaching Records –

Phil Stubbins - 1 Matches (0 wins, 1 drawn, 0 loss = 0% win ratio)
Gary Van Egmond – 16 matches (10 wins, 2 drawn and 4 losses = 19% win ratio)
Richard Money – 3 matches (1 win, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 33% win ratio)
Branko Culina – 6 matches (1 wins, 2 drawn, 3 losses = 17% win ratio)
Nick Theodorakopoulos – 1 match (0 wins, 0 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Clayton Zane – 1 match (0 wins, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Craig Deans - 0 matches (0 win, 0 drawn, 0 loss = -% win ratio)

Melbourne Victory Coach Record – Kevin Muscat 20% win ratio (1 win, 3 drawn, 1 loss)

KEY FACTS:

The Jets haven’t kept a clean sheet in the last 11 matches against Melbourne Victory.
At least one player has scored a double in the last 5 fixtures against the Victory in Melbourne.
The Jets haven't kept a clean sheet in the last 10 matches in Melbourne. The last was Season 3, Round 10.
Only 4 opposition players have received yellow cards this year. The Jets are now on 26 yellows and 1 straight red.
If they play this weekend, Ben Kantarovski will become the 7th highest capped Jets player with 93 appearances, surpassing Labinot Haliti. Ben Kennedy will equal Ruben Zadkovich's 97 appearances, moving the equal 5th while Joel Griffiths will make his 80th appearance, equalling Jade North
The Jets are currently on an 11 game streak without a clean sheet.
The Jets have won on the 3 occasions they have lead at half time. However, they've only managed to salvage 1 point from the 6 times they've trailed at half time.
It's now 29 matches in a row where the Jets have failed to score in the first 15 minutes.
Ben Kennedy has conceded 8 goals in 6 appearances in Melbourne. He has one clean sheet which was in his first appearance in Melbourne back in Season 3.



Jets v Victory Trivia:
1. Who are the 5 players to have scored doubles in the last 5 fixtures in Melbourne?

2. Which Jets player has provided the most assists against the Victory (toughie!)?

3. Who has scored the fastest goal in this fixture?

[Grimario]

Jets v Victory Trivia:
1. Who are the 5 players to have scored doubles in the last 5 fixtures in Melbourne?

2. Which Jets player has provided the most assists against the Victory (toughie!)?

3. Who has scored the fastest goal in this fixture?
1. Burns, Milligan, Rojas, Rojas, Pepper. That 3-1 with Pepper brace was a lovely game.
2. Ryu :wacko: No idea - just remember he was top assist getter for a few seasons. Probably M Thompson or Elrich based on games.
3. Adam Griff? I remember missing the first goal in a game just after my birthday in 2007... and I was only 5 or so minutes late.

[Jeterpool]

1. Burns, Milligan, Rojas, Rojas, Pepper. That 3-1 with Pepper brace was a lovely game.
2. Ryu :wacko: No idea - just remember he was top assist getter for a few seasons. Probably M Thompson or Elrich based on games.
3. Adam Griff? I remember missing the first goal in a game just after my birthday in 2007... and I was only 5 or so minutes late.

I'll clarify there are 5 different players for question 1. you've got 4

2. Not ryu. Pretty obscure and my stats may not be 100% correct.

3. Nice

[Jeterpool]

Also there won't be preview for the game everyone.

[MFKS]

If the Jets fail to win this weekend, it will equal the longest winless streak in the clubs history.


**** I could have sworn we won last Friday night and we were on a winning streak of 1??

Thanks for shattering my illusions that it was a ****ing dream

[hawk]

Since when was the rubbish I post official?

there's lots of info and no-one is going to check thus official. :grin:

[Buddha]

1. It wouldn't be donkey Allsopp would it?

[Jeterpool]

**** I could have sworn we won last Friday night and we were on a winning streak of 1??

Thanks for shattering my illusions that it was a ****ing dream

Used adelaide report as template. My bad. I'll fix later

[Jeterpool]

1. It wouldn't be donkey Allsopp would it?

Nah. Assists for jets mate

[Grimario]

Nah. Assists for jets mate

I think he might have been suggesting the other double goal scorer...

[goaliepersempre]

Pepper. That 3-1 with Pepper brace was a lovely game.

Brilliant Weekend :) :) hey pv4

[Jeterpool]

I think he might have been suggesting the other double goal scorer...

Ha ha oh yeah.

Nope.

Any hints, however, will give it away. The final player is from the jets

[westjet]

Byun Sung-Hwan - got a double through own goals didnt he?

[true waterboy]

Brilliant Weekend :) :) hey pv4

:woo: :woo: :woo:

[Jeterpool]

Byun Sung-Hwan - got a double through own goals didnt he?

:pissup: nice work

[outsider]

Referee Ben Williams

[MFKS]

Referee Ben Williams
That imposter still gets a gig in the HAL??

Says a lot about the standard of the rest of them

[plague]

The people of Maitland are showing their pride today. Jets jerseys everywhere.

[My2BobsWorth]

Archie might get the golden boot out of this, without having to play another game.

[Grimario]

He's not starting, so we will have to be extra bad for him to fill his boots from the bench.

[LiverJet]

Anyone know how long celeski is out for?

[Couscous]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/57513625.jpg

[Jetmaster]

Good effort first half but we are falling away fast...just a matter of time.

[Couscous]

BFK's a wonderful player.

(N.B. The Tunisian, not Kennedy.)

[Footyhead]

Crosses are crap

[evolution]

FFS Kanta!

[Retro Jet]

FFS Kanta!

And with that shot vindicating why no goals for 4 years...

[joel31]

listening to the game on ABC Grandstand due to bad internet. They just called us the Knights

[Retro Jet]

listening to the game on ABC Grandstand due to bad internet. They just called us the Knights

So, with the latest cuts to funding: you get what you pay for.

[foti68]

Is Flores injured or has he fallen out with Stubbins?

[Couscous]

This'll be a goal.

[Retro Jet]

cheat...

[evolution]

F*ck.

[Couscous]

****ing knew it.

[joel31]

we just had to wait til late

[joel31]

BK should have done better on the goal

[Jetmaster]

BK should have done better on the goal

Didn't take long....well hit free kick. Should blame the twit that gave away the foul.

[baldrick]

BK should have done better on the goal


Not many keepers would have saved that rocket.

[GazFish35]

BK should have done better on the goal

What do you think he should have done?
Always easy to say the keeper should have done better when a goal goes in..... It's the easy option.

Ball was hit from 18.5 yards.
Victree had men on the end of the wall blocking his view.
He'd have 10 maybe 12 yards of time to react, with ball travelling at bullshit speed.

Be careful not to blame him all the time, when he actually does **** up, you'll have no credibility left.

[evolution]

Lol... Finkler hit the absolute skin off it from 18 yards out, I'm not a big BK fan but no keeper is saving that.

[ToddG NBUnited]

**** caravella infuriates me so much i get dizzy every game from watching him.

[pv4]

Is Flores injured or has he fallen out with Stubbins?

According to Flores himself, Stubbins doesn't like him.

[BodyNovo]

What the **** was welsh doing for the goal

Just flinched at the speed of it. Put Ya noggin there and cop it square

[pv4]

Victree had men on the end of the wall blocking his view.


Gaz as a keeper yourself, in your opinion should keepers re-adjust/add to their wall accordingly or is the opposition putting men on the end of the wall, and blocking the keepers view, just something that can't be dealt with?

[GazFish35]

Gaz as a keeper yourself, in your opinion should keepers re-adjust/add to their wall accordingly or is the opposition putting men on the end of the wall, and blocking the keepers view, just something that can't be dealt with?

I ****ing hated it.
Luckily I usually had one bloke on the defence who would stand behind them and rake down the back of their socks, so they wouldn't do it more than once.

It's a tough one to deal with tbh, especially if they get into that position late, you have little time to adjust.
You can't assume the ball is going to that side, because you then leave your "wall side" open which they may seek to take advantage of. I think bk might have even moved slightly in that direction... Making the task of getting back to the side the ball went that bit harder, particularly with the speed it was hit. If it is hit that side through the opposing players, you see it so late it's nearly impossible to get at, unless straight at you.


My preferred (legal) option was to scream at defender to drop onto the post to help me cover it, that way if they hit it like Tinkler did, a defender dies on the line, and if they go over the wall, I can commit to it a little more, knowing the "keepers side is covered.

You can also get a defender to stand behind the two opposing players and not move when they split.

And you need the guy on the end of the wall to be alive enough to stick a leg at the hole created when the attackers split.

It was a "perfect storm" in attack, smack on the 18, very central. ****, as keeper who used to run up and take free kicks and penalties, they're the ones you live for.


The one thing you've got on your side in that position is that there's little time for the ball to get back under the cross bar if they go over the wall, but I do remember Alan shearer hitting one against arsenal in the 90's and it went straight over seamans head. A ball moving that fast is nearly impossible to react to.

[Thomas477]

I think that most keepers should readjust either the wall's position or their own position so they CAN SEE THE ****ING BALL!!!

Serious though, I've been quiet on BK, but it had to be obvious that Finkler was going to shoot, so why would you place yourself so you can't see the ball? He may not have been able to do much for it, but placing yourself so you couldn't see it is pisspoor keeping. If he could see it, he would've had 18.5 yards to see it, verses 8.5 yards, basically doubling his reaction time.

Anyway, normal service is resumed. KUTGW jerks.

[hawk]

Finkler was gonna score against any keeper we have. He's a whining bitch though. Berisha great dive to earn the points.

Gallant in defeat.

[hawk]

**** caravella infuriates me so much i get dizzy every game from watching him.

Why?

Cara had a good game tonight. Has a great touch and only did a couple of roundabouts. everyone made a mistake remember

[GazFish35]

I think that most keepers should readjust either the wall's position or their own position so they CAN SEE THE ****ING BALL!!!

Serious though, I've been quiet on BK, but it had to be obvious that Finkler was going to shoot, so why would you place yourself so you can't see the ball? He may not have been able to do much for it, but placing yourself so you couldn't see it is pisspoor keeping. If he could see it, he would've had 18.5 yards to see it, verses 8.5 yards, basically doubling his reaction time.

Anyway, normal service is resumed. KUTGW jerks.

Move so far to your left so you can see it, and you've given them the whole far side of the goal to play a wide pass to shoot from the far right of the wall.

That's why I'd go for the "call for help" option and get someone on the line with you.

[pv4]

Move so far to your left so you can see it, and you've given them the whole far side of the goal to play a wide pass to shoot from the far right of the wall.



Wouldn't you have time to react and move across if they passed it?

[plague]

I think that most keepers should readjust either the wall's position or their own position so they CAN SEE THE ****ING BALL!!!

Serious though, I've been quiet on BK, but it had to be obvious that Finkler was going to shoot, so why would you place yourself so you can't see the ball? He may not have been able to do much for it, but placing yourself so you couldn't see it is pisspoor keeping. If he could see it, he would've had 18.5 yards to see it, verses 8.5 yards, basically doubling his reaction time.

Anyway, normal service is resumed. KUTGW jerks.

so youre saying the wall was a bad idea, hindered his sight?

[plague]

i thought BK looked a little off in general play tonight. he was caught out a few times either not committing or communicating to his backs that he either wanted the ball or he wanted them to clear it. seemed a few times Madaschi gave his the "well what the **** do you want me to do" look.

other notes.
no one was stopping the goal. serious. stop it.

BK made a good save on his near post that was eerily similar to one our other keeper let through his hands at the same ground earlier in the year.

Pepper continues to make a mockery of every coach who keeps playing him out of position.

Kanta is way too seasoned to be making such a terrible mistake on the counter with two strikers wide open. silly silly play.

Commentator said it was only the 2nd time in his career that Virgili has started 2 games in a row. no wonder the kid seems so fragile.

Hoole is one of the only players who has 100% confidence that he can beat an onrushing defender by stepping around him.

Montano works his ass off. and no one, ever ever ever daps him up. it must be seriously deflating for the bloke to get no love from his teammates on the field.

none of our blokes seem to like each other.

i dont like any of them either.

[pv4]

The not committing thing is an issue in BK's game i have highlighted many times this season - one which i believe has led to at least one goal.

[Buddha]

Be careful not to blame him all the time, when he actually does **** up, you'll have no credibility left.
He doesn't have any left anyway


Nothing he could do about it, it's a damned if I do, damned if I don't situation, even with Gaz's suggestion (which is what I would have gone for) you're still at long odds to save it. Hell if he saved it, it might of fallen to somebody's feet anyway for them to tuck away

But don't worry guys, we are on our way to becoming a powerhouse in a team 10 comp with this result

[GazFish35]

Wouldn't you have time to react and move across if they passed it?

Not from that distance if they get their angles right.

Go stand on a goal line, put a ball where finkler hit it from and then get 7 mates to stand 10 from it and see where you need to be to have a clear line of sight to the ball.

The angles are horrid.

I've no doubt he was phased.

No keeper in the league would have saved that. Except for Coe, an only then because he's see finkler and the others over the ball at training and have more of an idea what was going to come at him.

[Buddha]

i thought BK looked a little off in general play tonight. he was caught out a few times either not committing or communicating to his backs that he either wanted the ball or he wanted them to clear it. seemed a few times Madaschi gave his the "well what the **** do you want me to do" look.

other notes.
no one was stopping the goal. serious. stop it.

BK made a good save on his near post that was eerily similar to one our other keeper let through his hands at the same ground earlier in the year.
Pepper continues to make a mockery of every coach who keeps playing him out of position.

Kanta is way too seasoned to be making such a terrible mistake on the counter with two strikers wide open. silly silly play.

Commentator said it was only the 2nd time in his career that Virgili has started 2 games in a row. no wonder the kid seems so fragile.

Hoole is one of the only players who has 100% confidence that he can beat an onrushing defender by stepping around him.

Montano works his ass off. and no one, ever ever ever daps him up. it must be seriously deflating for the bloke to get no love from his teammates on the field.

none of our blokes seem to like each other.

i dont like any of them either.
I love the Full Monty up front, he's a massive unit with pace, power and great first touch, can beat a player too. Imagine if he was actually in a decent team....

[plague]

The not committing thing is an issue in BK's game i have highlighted many times this season - one which i believe has led to at least one goal.

ive had this issue on the past but thought he has been much improved in this area this year. tonight though he seemed off.
which goal are you referring to?

[Grimario]

Skipped the game and sat in a park watching Back to the Future at an outdoor cinema with a few hundred locals.

Seems I made the wise choice.

[la bazzle]

Agree with plague 100%. Tony Montana works frickin hard up there and even though he's isolated 90% of the time he manages to either hold possession or win a throw in or something.

Kantas non pass can not get talked about enough. What the **** was he thinking. Even if he had scored more then one goal before how was he going to shoot through the defender ffs

[Ranger-86]

Not from that distance if they get their angles right.

Go stand on a goal line, put a ball where finkler hit it from and then get 7 mates to stand 10 from it and see where you need to be to have a clear line of sight to the ball.

The angles are horrid.

I've no doubt he was phased.

No keeper in the league would have saved that. Except for Coe, an only then because he's see finkler and the others over the ball at training and have more of an idea what was going to come at him.

Make all the excuses you want, the simple fact is he got beat on the side of the goal he was responsible for. The whole point of a wall is to make one side harder to score against while you guarantee that they dont score on your side . Not stand about half and half and guess where its going to go.

In the end he got beat on his near stick , shouldnt happen and is poor goalkeeping. Follows a pattern in his career that he gets comfortable adter a few starts and then the mistakes start flowing and heads back to the pine.

[Hunter403]

It was good to see the commitment in defence. The effort was certainly there.

Montano was good but alone. He does have a tendency to let the ball move away from him too often and let the defender have a go at it but overall he was very good.

The Roundabout had a big game. His running in defence was excellent. I have bagged him before and will probably do so again at some point but in this match he was very good.

Hoole was strong. Virgili lacks defensive experience but he tried. Griff got stuck in. Welsh is hot and cold. Pepper had a good one.

Kanta: the less said about that non pass the better. With his experience that should have been a goal to us. Slap him upside the head!

WE STILL CAN'T CROSS. this has been on going for years. Our crossing is pathetic. It pi55es me off more than just about anything else. Montano is good in the air and we get the ball near him about one time in 10. Not good enough

I normally don't' go on about the ref but Williams is poor. How is it Virgili gets a yellow 30 seconds after a Victory player doesn't get one for doing the same thing to Montano? We really seem to be getting the Sh1t covered end of the stick from referees this season. Soft yellow cards all around.

[q-money]

da boiz stuck to the plan well, it's just a shame the plan has nothing in it about actually scoring goals

[plague]

Make all the excuses you want, the simple fact is he got beat on the side of the goal he was responsible for. The whole point of a wall is to make one side harder to score against while you guarantee that they dont score on your side . Not stand about half and half and guess where its going to go.

In the end he got beat on his near stick , shouldnt happen and is poor goalkeeping. Follows a pattern in his career that he gets comfortable adter a few starts and then the mistakes start flowing and heads back to the pine.

cool story brah
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/wwe-1.gif?w=500&h=180

[GazFish35]

Make all the excuses you want, the simple fact is he got beat on the side of the goal he was responsible for. The whole point of a wall is to make one side harder to score against while you guarantee that they dont score on your side . Not stand about half and half and guess where its going to go.

In the end he got beat on his near stick , shouldnt happen and is poor goalkeeping. Follows a pattern in his career that he gets comfortable adter a few starts and then the mistakes start flowing and heads back to the pine.

Not making excuses. Answering a question. But hey, quote a post without understanding it if you think it helps make your point.

I'll grant you he does slip when he seemingly starts to feel comfortable.

[Thomas477]

Move so far to your left so you can see it, and you've given them the whole far side of the goal to play a wide pass to shoot from the far right of the wall.

That's why I'd go for the "call for help" option and get someone on the line with you.

You're right that's an option, but you open yourself up to having a striker stand right in front of you if get a player to drop back to the post. Plus I prefer keeping a high line for free kicks. Another option could have been to remove one, possibly 2 players from the wall depending on how many victory players were there and the angle etc. That would mean that you still could have kept your somewhat central position, but still be able to see the ball. Being able to see the ball is the most important thing. A wall is a good defensive tool, but your goalkeeper had to be able to see the ball.

Plague, see above.

[weston]

I went out for dinner last night and missed the game. I came home and turned the tv on to show the replay of the goal being played (when it was scored). Clearly it's my fault, not BK's.

[plague]

You're right that's an option, but you open yourself up to having a striker stand right in front of you if get a player to drop back to the post. Plus I prefer keeping a high line for free kicks. Another option could have been to remove one, possibly 2 players from the wall depending on how many victory players were there and the angle etc. That would mean that you still could have kept your somewhat central position, but still be able to see the ball. Being able to see the ball is the most important thing. A wall is a good defensive tool, but your goalkeeper had to be able to see the ball.

Plague, see above.

No offence to blokes who play keeper, but I highly doubt that you've played against anyone that can pick out any spot in the goal to place it, then hit it at a billion miles an hour into the exact place they want it.
Id dare say that teams do a lot of work on walls/positioning/set ups from free kicks based on research/experience.
The Jets set themselves up as best they thought, the free kick taker hit his target.
End of.

Jesus there was less debate about the free kicks we let in from 40 yards than there was of this.

[Buddha]

Make all the excuses you want, the simple fact is he got beat on the side of the goal he was responsible for. The whole point of a wall is to make one side harder to score against while you guarantee that they dont score on your side . Not stand about half and half and guess where its going to go.

In the end he got beat on his near stick , shouldnt happen and is poor goalkeeping. Follows a pattern in his career that he gets comfortable adter a few starts and then the mistakes start flowing and heads back to the pine.

Would you have saved it?

[Ranger-86]

If i stood where he stood ,Nope, but I hope we arnt comparing our 1st choice gk for an a league team to my ability. How about you?

[GazFish35]

You're right that's an option, but you open yourself up to having a striker stand right in front of you if get a player to drop back to the post. Plus I prefer keeping a high line for free kicks. Another option could have been to remove one, possibly 2 players from the wall depending on how many victory players were there and the angle etc. That would mean that you still could have kept your somewhat central position, but still be able to see the ball. Being able to see the ball is the most important thing. A wall is a good defensive tool, but your goalkeeper had to be able to see the ball.

Plague, see above.

If you remove two of your own, youre essentially left with a three man wall with the ball in a central position. No thanks.

The "call for help" needs to be set so that whoever drops to your post does it at the last minute, so as you suggest, they don't drop a striker in your face.

End of the day, centrally positioned free kick from 18 yards, with bloke who could hit a 20c piece hanging from the crossbar hard enough to knock your gloves off. No keeper in this league could have stopped it.

[Ranger-86]

Stood to far towards the middle left himself open to get done on his near stick. Stands where he should be (further to the left ) then finkler has to try to beat the wall , as it was the wall was never in play and may aswell not been there.

If finkler gets it up and down over the wall then best of luck to him.

[parksey]

vukovic would have saved it

[Grimario]

So the goal was a repeat of bk and his shitv positioning like ADP FK way back?

Bk out.

[baldrick]

End of the day, centrally positioned free kick from 18 yards, with bloke who could hit a 20c piece hanging from the crossbar hard enough to knock your gloves off. No keeper in this league could have stopped it.

This.

[baldrick]

Skipped the game and sat in a park watching Back to the Future at an outdoor cinema with a few hundred locals.

Seems I made the wise choice.

Obviously you had the sports almanac & already knew the score...

[GazFish35]

Stood to far towards the middle left himself open to get done on his near stick. Stands where he should be (further to the left ) then finkler has to try to beat the wall , as it was the wall was never in play and may aswell not been there.

If finkler gets it up and down over the wall then best of luck to him.


935

Transferred weight to right foot.... Maybe he thought it was coming around the wall to hit the centre of the goal
Positioned well though. If he waits the split second longer to see the ball isn't doing what he initially thought and he's even later back across.

Any further left as you suggest and he opens the option to go around the wall and into the centre.

Had about 15 bodies I front of it too.


Glad we can expect so much of our keepers. Need to stop accepting these kind of errors across the park. So easy for all us armchair experts to pick at the goals

[Grimario]

Obviously you had the sports almanac & already knew the score...

:gent:

[plague]

You blokes on here banging on about BK might be better served taking aim at Kantas error. Much much bigger.

[Grimario]

You blokes on here banging on about BK might be better served taking aim at Kantas error. Much much bigger.

I did say BK out. Not my fault you lot assumed I meant BK and not BK. Maybe you should have a look at yourself and your prejudged notions there, p.

[plague]

I did say BK out. Not my fault you lot assumed I meant BK and not BK. Maybe you should have a look at yourself and your prejudged notions there, p.
Wot?
I'm talking about Bojan Krkić.
Think he's been sensational for Stoke. Don't understand the hate at all.

[Grimario]

Wot?
I'm talking about Bojan Krkić.
Think he's been sensational for Stoke. Don't understand the hate at all.

He's not lived up to the hype from years back. Certainly no William Henry Pratt, everyone's favourite BK.

[Jetmaster]

Am I the only one uncomfortable with the claims we played well and were unlucky? To me, we got bum raped all over the park, never looked like scoring and hung on till the last minutes. TBH MV should have won 3 or 4 nil.

A few seasons back we would go down there as underdogs but lift our game and win - we never looked like winning last night and we are apparently disappointed not to get a draw. That is not the mentality of a team wanting to make the playoffs.

Worst errors were from Kanta and Virgili, who positioned himself poorly whether dive or not. BK - could he have done better, maybe, but is not the type of error worth over analysis and certainly not a howler worthy of him getting dropped so we move on.

The fact remains we have yet to dominate a game this season and look like the better team on the park.

[WolfMan]

The gameplan was simple enough. Sit back, soak up the pressure and hope we jag a goal. It almost worked and I'm in no way displeased with the effort.

On to the next

[steve136]

There's nothing really to like about the way we are playing these days, except to say that the effort is usually there.
Our defence seems to have no set structure or approach. It really shone through yesterday in contrast to MV. MV were pressing constantly - we seem to press the ball but one pass sideways by our opposition and they have plenty of time again. If we're going to press, it needs to be organized, structured and coordinated. And our approach to this really baffles me to - we're a team without a great deal of attacking ability, so it seems our best bet would be to put pressure on without the ball and try and draw a mistake. Instead, we sit deep, allow our opponents to control the ball without any real pressure, get the ball back around our box and then kick it back to them.
Also, it's painfully obvious that our attacking structures aren't working. Guys are getting the ball and having no options at all, as we're seeing every time Monty gets the ball. When MV had the ball, the player with the ball seemed to always have 3 options. An attacking/incisive pass, a square ball, or back to the CBs/GK if nessessary. Our guys, whether because they have poor first touches and give themselves no time, or because guys aren't moving off the ball, only seem able to try and beat a player or pass backwards. They're always under pressure and never have space in front of them.
As far the goal went, arguing about whether Virgili or BK or whoever is to blame for the goal is not seeing the forest for the tress. We will continue to lose games for the rest of the season, but it will be less due to individual mistakes and more due to the fact that we have poor attacking and defensive structures, a lack of ability and composure on the ball, and honestly, a terrible squad overall.

[pv4]

I'll grant you he does slip when he seemingly starts to feel comfortable.

Interesting thoughts by you, Gaz. According to your thoughts, do you think this means BK does not offer the prospect of being a longterm option as the number 1 keeper? Now that BK has had his few games without a clean sheet should we revert back to Biraz, as BK may be too comfortable, and as you say, prone to slipping?

[GazFish35]

Interesting thoughts by you, Gaz. According to your thoughts, do you think this means BK does not offer the prospect of being a longterm option as the number 1 keeper? Now that BK has had his few games without a clean sheet should we revert back to Biraz, as BK may be too comfortable, and as you say, prone to slipping?

I think his 'slips' came from finally cracking into a starting spot, playing reasonably well then have every little flaw in his game torn to shreds from the stands on game day and on social media.

At this point in time, I don't think he's slipping this time round, so no, I don't think he should be dropped, I've said it before about birraz, he had one flaw that he opposition were capitalizing on repeatedly. The goals we've concededed with bk in goal do have a pattern of 'significant keeper error'

[Tommyjet]

Am I the only one uncomfortable with the claims we played well and were unlucky? To me, we got bum raped all over the park, never looked like scoring and hung on till the last minutes. TBH MV should have won 3 or 4 nil.

A few seasons back we would go down there as underdogs but lift our game and win - we never looked like winning last night and we are apparently disappointed not to get a draw. That is not the mentality of a team wanting to make the playoffs.

Worst errors were from Kanta and Virgili, who positioned himself poorly whether dive or not. BK - could he have done better, maybe, but is not the type of error worth over analysis and certainly not a howler worthy of him getting dropped so we move on.

The fact remains we have yet to dominate a game this season and look like the better team on the park.

IMO we look better than we did a few weeks ago. That's not to say we aren't getting raped (football style wise). We haven't conceded multiple goals in each of the last 2 games. We still look shit going forward and seem to only score through luck or when the opposition has over relaxed.

[GazFish35]

We really should put things into perspective. If it was the epl, I'd be stoked with 9th.

And we hardly ever lose to teams below us.

[MFKS]

It is absolutely disgusting the wankfest you blokes are having for BK

Good shot or not from Finkler that was his side of the goal to deal with.


As for the performance a ****ing disgrace. Sure the boys tried hard but the first 10 mins showed exactly how inept we are. Victree put us on the back foot from minute 1 with positive intent.

We never do that.

Walking out of the ground last night I should have been pissed. It is ridiculous that losing in the last 10 mins is ****ing normal for us
The only thing pissing me off was the fact that the clowns running the club and team seem not to care about how shot we are.

**** them all.

PS Kittens was great.

[GazFish35]

wankfest

You're right. This is no place for a discussion.

[pv4]

The goals we've concededed with bk in goal do have a pattern of 'significant keeper error'

Did you mean to type "don't" or do you think bk has conceded significant keeper errors?

[GazFish35]

Did you mean to type "don't" or do you think bk has conceded significant keeper errors?

Haha! Damn iPhone.

"Don't"

[pv4]

Looking at the highlights from 1:30 onwards..

Does BK retract his hand for BFK's shot?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAmklLUjCJ0

[Thomas477]

Nah, BK wouldn't do that. BK is da best.

In all seriousness though, he got rediculusly lucky to avoid not conceding then. He did pull his hands back.

[plague]

So now your line of critisisism is because he judged it perfectly?
Cool, cool.

[Grimario]

WLG getting desperate to find faults with BK now... "Oh look, a shot that didn't go in, the keeper moved his hands away so he didn't concede a corner".

Biraz off to Venezia anyway, so start thinking of some pro-Solari stuff or get on the BK wagon.

[GazFish35]

He did indeed pull his hands, it them seemed to dip, before NOT GOING IN.


Amzing the the scrutiny he cops really, in the 1:29 leading up to that point there were countless times the midfield went to ground, defenders got turned insideout after committing their lead shoulder to a tackle, or Victree players ran past a green shirt to be in a better position for the ball. But hey, let's focus on a keeper leaving a ball to hit the cross bar.

[BodyNovo]

Nah, BK wouldn't do that. BK is da best.

nailed it

#bkfanbois

[MFKS]

So its cool that our keeper sets up a wall on one side and then covers the other side of the goal and yet the ball goes past the keeper on his side it ain't his fault??

Cool story bro

[pv4]

He did indeed pull his hands, it them seemed to dip, before NOT GOING IN.


Amzing the the scrutiny he cops really, in the 1:29 leading up to that point there were countless times the midfield went to ground, defenders got turned insideout after committing their lead shoulder to a tackle, or Victree players ran past a green shirt to be in a better position for the ball. But hey, let's focus on a keeper leaving a ball to hit the cross bar.

I didn't get the chance to watch the game, and still haven't. Until I watch it, I have not yet nor will pass judgement on any of the players. So don't think I'm scrutinising BK here, I merely asked a question and was after a discussion, particularly from the keepers on this forum, about it (which we got!).

Note: I won't pass judgement till I've seen the game, EXCEPT for 2:50 in the highlights clip. That is one of the worst crosses I've seen the team do this season.

[Thomas477]

He did indeed pull his hands, it them seemed to dip, before NOT GOING IN.


Amzing the the scrutiny he cops really, in the 1:29 leading up to that point there were countless times the midfield went to ground, defenders got turned insideout after committing their lead shoulder to a tackle, or Victree players ran past a green shirt to be in a better position for the ball. But hey, let's focus on a keeper leaving a ball to hit the cross bar.

I dunno about you Gaz, but if the ball is going close enough to hit the cross bar, or indeed either post, I'd still want to get a hand to it and concede a corner rather than take the risk that the ball will rebound out of danger instead of falling to a striker or going in. What if that had fallen straight to Barabourous or Berisha and they slotted it? Would that have been a good judgement call? If the ball is going that close, I'd want to get a hand onto it. That might just be me though, I don't like conceding

As for not finding faults with other players, you seemed quite happy to pick faults with Birraz all the time, but now it's BKs turn, it's everyone else's fault?

[GazFish35]

So its cool that our keeper sets up a wall on one side and then covers the other side of the goal and yet the ball goes past the keeper on his side it ain't his fault??

Cool story bro

No.
But analysis of any situation on the field isn't as black and white as that.

The discussion started with a comment along the lines of "he could have done better" and I asked "how?" And gave some reasons that hindered a "better" performance in that situation.... Reasons I'm not sure any other keeper in this league could have dealt with in order to stop Finkler's shot in that circumstance.

The error he made in slightly transferring his weight to his right foot ultimately was his undoing, but such a crowded penalty area and late sight of the ball (something already also discussed) his movement slightly to his right could be explained by seeing the ball late often means it's going over the wall, not around it.... So a reasonable movement to make.

Not a story, GK's union discussion and analysis of the circumstances that lead to the goalkeeper being beaten by a great free kick.
Analysis that seems to not be being called for other mistakes being made by other players.
If birraz had made the same movement I'd be arguing the same points.


Cue the "but birraz wouldn't have" arguments.

[GazFish35]

I dunno about you Gaz, but if the ball is going close enough to hit the cross bar, or indeed either post, I'd still want to get a hand to it and concede a corner rather than take the risk that the ball will rebound out of danger instead of falling to a striker or going in. What if that had fallen straight to Barabourous or Berisha and they slotted it? Would that have been a good judgement call? If the ball is going that close, I'd want to get a hand onto it. That might just be me though, I don't like conceding

As for not finding faults with other players, you seemed quite happy to pick faults with Birraz all the time, but now it's BKs turn, it's everyone else's fault?

Oh he was lucky, no doubt about it, a ball that close shouldn't be gambled with..... But he won the gamble. I reckon though if he'd got a finger on it, took too much off it and it dropped under the bar, there'd be a lot of people saying "he should have let it to, I reckon it was going over" hindsight is 20/20


Pick fault with birraz.
Yes, when he's at fault, and that fault is repeated over a number of games and taken advantage of by the opposition.
I'll defend him too, if he's ever under unfair scrutiny.


I've even said birraz is the better keeper, someone had it quoted in their signature, for me it's about fair scrutiny for both keepers. And for whatever reason I still think BK gets unfairly scrutinised and birraz got a free ride from scrutiny for a long time based on arguments like "he got picked for the all stars"

[plague]

Yeah but according to the good Member, every goal scored is due to someone's ****up, not through anything good being done by anyone*.
Blokes glass is dead set on the reserve tank 24/7.

Still though, his dream of Solari being our number 1 and Elrich in the state league might one day come true.........




*Griff aside, naturally.

[pv4]

I've even said birraz is the better keeper, someone had it quoted in their signature

That was me.

[Buddha]

Has anybody pointed out the fact that Victory players on the end of the wall were definitely obscuring BKs view? And that even if he moved to the point where they would no longer be in the line of sight, he probably would have been standing on the other side of the post?

But no we will forgot about that and proceed to BK is ****ing shit he should have saved it, every other keeper would have saved it blah blah blah

It's in, nobody would have stopped it, I mean ffs Finkler put it just inside the post that's how ****ing accurate and good it was.

GET OVER IT. Until he throws it in the net or has a Biraz v Gypos game keep him in.

[steve136]

Am I the only one around here that thinks that BK AND Birraz are both useless?

[GazFish35]

Am I the only one around here that thinks that BK AND Birraz are both useless?

No.

[Thomas477]

Has anybody pointed out the fact that Victory players on the end of the wall were definitely obscuring BKs view? And that even if he moved to the point where they would no longer be in the line of sight, he probably would have been standing on the other side of the post?

But no we will forgot about that and proceed to BK is ****ing shit he should have saved it, every other keeper would have saved it blah blah blah

It's in, nobody would have stopped it, I mean ffs Finkler put it just inside the post that's how ****ing accurate and good it was.

GET OVER IT. Until he throws it in the net or has a Biraz v Gypos game keep him in.

Buddha, what I was suggesting was that BK tell Caravella, I think, to get out of the wall, or indeed, as gaz suggested, drop to cover a post. You may still have the two victory players there, but it would have been 1 less person BK had to look through. It may have helped.

[GazFish35]

Take a player out of the wall and it means the amount of goal covered by the wall is reduced, meaning the keeper needs to move more to his right, giving finkler even more of the gap between keeper and post to hit.

[Buddha]

Thomas see above for word for word reply.

[pv4]

Keepers - did it interest you that Neville was clearly instructed to drop off, and become a post-man during that freekick? Seeing as though he dropped off, would it be valid to think that BK should have had more reliance that Finkler was less of a thread if he tried to beat the wall?

I noticed THAT freekick v EDIT: WSW lol not Heart (see below), Finkler went the wall side. But it was much further out. Did Finkler have a history of going one side or the other, that possibly either the Jerks coaching staff and/or BK either got wrong, or too right? I have no answer to this one btw, just a thought.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUDrckVnnmU

[GazFish35]

Absolutely valid and of interest. Means they were at least open to the prospect of finkler going over the wall.
With two victree players making the ball out of sight even longer it plants the seed that ball is going over the wall. ( when hit keeper side you see it from the time it's kicked, when it goes over the wall, it's out of sight for a split second)
Hence the keeper transferring his weight to his right. All evidence in front of him suggested that at that split second the ball was probably going to his right.

I don't think it's a clear cut case of jets staff/ bk getting things wrong, but more a case of victree doing everything right before the ball was struck, and in how it was struck.

[la bazzle]

I think in the BK vs Birraz debate there needs to be full proper cock-ups. None of this have to analyse every minute ****in movement. That fk was a frickin ripper, sure it was on BKs side but damn it was hit well. I'm a massive Birraz fan but if people are going to pick apart a goal like that while Birraz ****ed up the Bosnar half way fk then you just sound a tad silly. Pick your battles Birraz fans. #Birrazfanboi

[borat]

So much analysis of what should never have been awarded a free kick. Shocking decision to award against Virgilli who was clearly ball side of Berisha.

But in saying that, Bosnich was right in that BK should be disappointed. Finkler was only ever going for that post. It was way too close to curl over the wall and only a drive at post was going to be successful. BK should have set the wall better and made a better effort to save it.... But you're hardly going to hang him for it. Good strike that should never have been.

Moving on......

[hawk]

Everyone get tied up with fiddly positional chat.

If I was BK i'd be asking the team why was shjee finks was still on the field.

Should have been limping before halftime and off by the 60th. No other tosser would have hit the target.

Wakey wakey Stubbins

[Grimario]

WLG getting desperate to find faults with BK now... "Oh look, a shot that didn't go in, the keeper moved his hands away so he didn't concede a corner".

Biraz off to Venezia anyway, so start thinking of some pro-Solari stuff or get on the BK wagon.
I just made this up the other day and Cockerill has just said that Biraz is off to Venezia for a trial. Wtf...

[lquiquer]

The question is do I want to drive 10 hours return trip to Wollongong ????....

[Grimario]

No.

[hawk]

The question is do I want to drive 10 hours return trip to Wollongong ????....

hell yes