14/15 HAL Round 25 | Melbourne Victory vs Newcastle Jets | Friday 10/04/15 ko 745pm

[Jeterpool]

2014/15 A-League Round 25 Preview – Melbourne Victory v Newcastle Jets


FIXTURE FACTS

Overall – 29 games between the two teams.
Jets Wins – 12, Victory Wins – 10, Drawn – 7


In Newcastle – 14 games
Jets Wins – 7, Victory Wins – 2, Drawn – 5
In Melbourne – 15 games
Jets Wins – 5, Victory Wins – 8, Drawn – 2

Average Home A-League Crowd – 10664
Average Away A-League Crowd - 17143

Goals in Fixture
Jets – 42, Victory – 43

Cards in Fixture
Jets – 55 (51 Yellow, 4 Red), Victory – 47 (44 Yellow, 3 Red)

Recent Form (FFA Cup & A-League)
Jets – LLWLL (3 points from last 15)
Victory – WWDWD (11 points from last 15)

Leading Scorers
Jets – Edson Montano, Joel Griffiths, Jeronimo Neumann 3, Victory – Besart Berisha - 11

Last Result -
Jets 0 – Victory 1 (Finkler 85’) at AAMI Park, A-League, Round 12, 27/12/2014 .


FIXTURE RECORDS


Biggest Win

Jets 4 (Bridge 36’, Bridge 48’, Coveny 51’, J Griffiths 73’) – Victory 0 at Hunter Stadium, Round 21, Season 2, 19/01/2007.

Heaviest Defeat

Jets 0 – Victory 5 (Hernandez 41’, Thompson 45’, Allsopp 61’, Allsopp 64’, Brebner 90’), Round 3, Season 4 at AAMI Park, 29/08/2008.
Jets 0 – 5 (Rojas 8’, Leijer 15’, Milligan 30’ pen, Milligan 55’ pen, Rojas 66’), Round 23, Season 8, 03/03/2013

Leading Scorers in fixture –

Jets – 5 Joel Griffiths
Victory – 7 Archie Thompson


2014/15 SEASON STATISTICS

Appearances

24 Edson Montano
21 Andrew Hoole
20 Zenon Caravella, Jacob Pepper
18 Ben Kennedy, Ben Kantarovski
17 Sam Gallagher,
16 Scott Neville,
15 David Carney, Joel Griffiths,
13 Jeronimo Neumann, Kew Jaliens, Allan Welsh, Taylor Regan, Mitch Cooper
10 Adrian Madaschi, Radovan Pavicevic
9 Daniel Mullen, Lee Ki-Je
8 James Virgili,
7 Nicholas Cowburn
6 Mark Birrighiti , Marco Flores, , Enver Alivodic
5 Sam Gallaway
4 Billy Celeski,
2 Jonny Steele, Brandon Lundy, Max Burgess
1 Braedyn Crowley,


Goals

3 Joel Griffiths, Edson Montano, Jeronimo Neumann
2 Scott Neville, Lee Ki-Je,
1 Kew Jaliens, Marco Flores, Radovan Pavicevic, Enver Alivodic, Oggie



Assists

4 Andrew Hoole
3 David Carney,
1 Joel Griffiths, Scott Neville, Jacob Pepper, Taylor Regan, Jeronimo Neumann, Adrian Madaschi, Edson Montano



Yellow Cards

6 Andrew Hoole
5 Kew Jaliens
4 Adrian Madaschi, Taylor Regan, Edson Montano,
3 Jeronimo Neumann, James Virgili, Scott Neville, David Carney, Ben Kantarovski
2 Jacob Pepper, Marcos Flores, Joel Griffiths, , Allan Welsh, Zenon Caravella, Lee Ki-Je, Daniel Mullen, Radovan Pavicevic,
1 Jonny Steele, Sam Gallaway, Mitch Cooper, Sam Gallagher, Nick Cowburn



Red Cards

1 Kew Jaliens, Ben Kantarovski



COACHING

Coaches Head to Head – 2 matches
Phil Stubbins - 0 wins, Kevin Muscat - 1 win, 1 draw

Newcastle Jets A-League Coaching Records –

Phil Stubbins - 2 Matches (0 wins, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Gary Van Egmond – 16 matches (10 wins, 2 drawn and 4 losses = 19% win ratio)
Richard Money – 3 matches (1 win, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 33% win ratio)
Branko Culina – 6 matches (1 wins, 2 drawn, 3 losses = 17% win ratio)
Nick Theodorakopoulos – 1 match (0 wins, 0 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Clayton Zane – 1 match (0 wins, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)

Melbourne Victory Coach Record – Kevin Muscat 33% win ratio (2 win, 3 drawn, 1 loss).


KEY FACTS:

The Jets have the opportunity to record back to back away victories since Season 9.
The Jets haven’t kept a clean sheet in the last 13 matches against Melbourne Victory.
Melbourne Victory have scored in the last 11 matches in Melbourne against the Jets. The last clean sheet in Melbourne against Victory was back in Round 10, Season 3.
The Jets haven’t scored a second half goal in 6 matches in total and their last 8 matches away from home. Neumann scored the last away goal in the second half against Perth back in Round 4.
The Jets have conceded 13 goals in the last 10 minutes of matches this season.
The Jets remain one goal away from scoring the 300th in their A-League history.
The only two goals Jacob Pepper has scored were against Victory in Melbourne.
The Jets have won all matches where they’ve lead at half time.
Ben Kantarovski will surpass Jobe Wheelhouse to become the player with the 4th largest amount of appearances with 107. While Taylor Regan will equal the number of appearances of Michael Bridges (66).
The Jets have only received 2 penalties against the Victory, converting one. The Victory, however, have received 5.

[belchardo]

loose. very.

[plague]

At a wedding in the vineyards hopefully in a good mood after 18 holes at Crowne Plaza in the morning.

I don't give any ****s about this game and this club.

[BodyNovo]

honestly if melbourne victory rock up to play, i could see 7 plus goals coming our way

if they walk it probably 2-0

[Grimario]

honestly if melbourne victory rock up to play, i could see 7 plus goals coming our way

if they walk it probably 2-0
If they didn't already have an 8 goal lead on their nearest in the GD stakes, I would disagree... but they will start Nabbout and scrap out a 3-0 win.

[Blackmac79]

Everyone should try and make an effort to get to the pub for this.

Sydney Junction Hamilton.

Do it

[Hunter403]

If MV don't win by at least 4 then there should be an investigation into betting trends. Corruption will be the only legit reason why it is not a slaughter.

[MFKS]

Can easily see Victree resting their key players on Friday.

They have 2 games in Brisbane next week to play V Roar a few days apart.

That being the case those points are gonna be hard to get and a little more important in their destiny.

Can see their lesser lights get a run. Towel us up from minute 1 onwards but struggle to convert the dominance into goals and scrape a tight win

[Superdylan]

I'll be down at cronulla for the night

Victory 4-0 is my prediction

[leftrightout]

The Jets have conceded 13 goals in the last 10 minutes of matches this season.


I can see this stat happening in this game alone!

[boz-monaut]

we all should have put $10 on the Jets to lose every game this year - we wouldn't be rolling in cash but we would at least have gotten something out of this enormous clusterfůck

[pv4]

Squad for this game:


Newcastle Jets Squad vs. Melbourne Victory: 3. Taylor REGAN, 7. Enver ALIVODIC, 11. Andrew HOOLE, 12. Sam GALLAGHER, 13. Edson MONTAÑO, 16. Jacob PEPPER (C), 18. Allan WELSH, 19. Mitch COOPER, 20. Ben KENNEDY (Gk), 21. Daniel MULLEN, 22. LEE Ki-je, 26. Nicholas COWBURN, 27. Radovan PAVICEVIC, 29. Michael KANTAROVKSI, 30. John SOLARI (Gk), 31. Max BURGESS

Ins: 12. Sam GALLAGHER (promoted), 29. Michael KANTAROVSKI (promoted)

Outs: 5. Ben KANTAROVSKI (groin – 1 week), 8. Zenon CARAVELLA (ankle – indefinite)

Unavailable: 1. Jess VANSTRATTAN (Gk) (knee – indefinite), 2. Scott NEVILLE (groin – 3 weeks), 5. Ben KANTAROVSKI (groin – 1 week), 8. Zenon CARAVELLA (ankle – indefinite), 15. Joshua BARRESI (knee – season), 17. James VIRGILI (ankle – 3 weeks)

No Kanta or Caravella, interesting! Pepper has been the worst of the three when they've played CM together IMO - wonder who will partner Pepper there this week. Maybe Welsh - Stubbins loves to do that. Maybe someone else with the right connexions..

[BodyNovo]

i reckon he might put cowburn at cm, move regan or mullen to right and put his best mate gallagher in the centre

or if hes got some balls he will put little kanta there, but that could ruin his career before it started with having to mark a middle and forward 5 of Berisha, Kosta, Ben Khal, milligan, valeri

[Grimario]

Wonder whatever happened to the definite Stubbins signing (not his squad though), Travis Cooper? Poor bloke can't get in the squad ahead of Burgess.

Will probably be Gallagher or Welsh in mid with Pepper. Given we are going to lose, he could also drop Pepper to the bench and just play both the crappy defenders as midfielders in front of a back 4. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest :(

[Jetmaster]

Might sit back with a pizza and a bottle of red.

In the words of Ken Arthurson - "if you know you are gonna be raped, you might as well lie back and try to enjoy it."

[Grimario]

Opta stats...

Melbourne Victory v Newcastle Jets
*Melbourne Victory’s Hyundai A-League games have seen 78 goals scored in 2014-15; more than any other club.
*Newcastle Jets have hit fewer shots overall (190 excl. blocked) and the least on target (95) of any other Hyundai A-League side this season, although they have hit the woodwork a league-high 14 times.
*Victory have lost just one of their last seven Hyundai A-League meetings with Newcastle Jets (W3 D3 L1).
*The Jets have not kept a clean sheet in any of their last 13 A-League games against Melbourne Victory – their last coming back in September 2010.

Read more at http://www.a-league.com.au/article/your-clubs-surprise-stats/pxm8xokgaque18nwxwminveji#tPBV7CdwJ5rj5Z05.99

[MFKS]

Wonder whatever happened to the definite Stubbins signing (not his squad though), Travis Cooper? Poor bloke can't get in the squad ahead of Burgess.

Will probably be Gallagher or Welsh in mid with Pepper. Given we are going to lose, he could also drop Pepper to the bench and just play both the crappy defenders as midfielders in front of a back 4. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest :( cooper is dead set shit.

No more querying on this bloke required.

The bloke isn't good enough for our team FFS

More importantly where is Lundy??
Bloke gets 2 subs runs and then is nowhere to be seen. You would think the Muppet would be keen to give the likes of Lundy Crowley etc a go if his moving forward bullwhip is to be believed

[Jeterpool]

Opta stats...

Melbourne Victory v Newcastle Jets
*Melbourne Victory’s Hyundai A-League games have seen 78 goals scored in 2014-15; more than any other club.
*Newcastle Jets have hit fewer shots overall (190 excl. blocked) and the least on target (95) of any other Hyundai A-League side this season, although they have hit the woodwork a league-high 14 times.
*Victory have lost just one of their last seven Hyundai A-League meetings with Newcastle Jets (W3 D3 L1).
*The Jets have not kept a clean sheet in any of their last 13 A-League games against Melbourne Victory – their last coming back in September 2010.

Read more at http://www.a-league.com.au/article/your-clubs-surprise-stats/pxm8xokgaque18nwxwminveji#tPBV7CdwJ5rj5Z05.99

Jeterpool working for opta :)

[Jeterpool]

Peter O'Leary is tonight's referee

W-D-L record is 3-1-3. He's never officiated a Jets v Victory match.

He's pretty even with the cards, issuing 14 yellows to Jets players and 12 to opposition. He's sent one opposition player off.

He's awarded two penalties - one for the Jets and one for the opposition.

The last Jets match he officiated was a Round 7 this year. It was a 1-1 draw with the Wanderers.

I quite like O'Leary as a referee. Generally he lets play go and plays the advantage. He allows challenges to be put in and really doesn't take crap from the players.

[Blackmac79]

Bring on the shit

[Hunter403]

I wonder if any Jets supporters have gone down to punish themselves?

[Retro Jet]

Tank this one - 100%
Need to stuff Sh!tney up - Duty Phil, Duty now for the Future...

[GazFish35]

Welsh next to pepper in midfield.

Omg.

[Thomas477]

**** me, we're doing the 12H pass back from the kick off for a long boot up the field.

So much for possession football.

[Hunter403]

Welsh is crap. That is all.

[Hunter403]

The thing that will stop Hoole going on to become a "star" of the A League? His first touch is just not good enough

[Scourge]

Ffs... These blokes couldn't finish even if given a freebie in a brothel

[Hunter403]

Damn, we miss 2 we should have scored in 30 seconds.

Griff would have had them both

[Thomas477]

What the ****?

[joel31]

The donkey has scored

[Grimario]

Where has this come from?

[Blackmac79]

What the ****?

.

[lquiquer]

Long time to go but Jerks were 10 to 1 to win.....

[la bazzle]

watch us win ffs

[joel31]

Long time to go but Jerks were 10 to 1 to win.....
dw. Aint the last 10 minutes yet

[furns]

I wonder if any Jets supporters have gone down to punish themselves?
26 in the away bay apparently

[Hunter403]

26 in the away bay apparently

they would be the Muppet's extended family. No one else would be that crazy!

[Hunter403]

The member will explode if we jag a win.

[hawk]

have we conceded 3 yet?

[Hunter403]

If we win this, ASADA had better get in there with testing kits.

[la bazzle]

Stubbins confirmed new contract

[Grimario]

Stubbins confirmed new contract

Ten years I heard.

[Mark325]

So we actually just beat the Victory

[Hunter403]

Urine and blood tests please. Check the betting trends

Has to be a fix!

[Grimario]

Back to back away wins for the first time since 1840?

[hawk]

that broxom is a moron. Hows the pressing tonight. Amazing that it gets a clean sheet. Hey stubbins join the dots.

[lquiquer]

Member u all right??... talk to us...... FFS wish I put 100 on Jerks tonight

[Retro Jet]

Hmmmm...more points from wins than draws now.
Didn't see that coming.

On any other night that would have been 3 or 4 to Rick (www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)Tree.

[Premy]

Scrappy goal on the break, small portions of promising football and majority of the game parking the bus.

Meh #movingfoward.

[Mark325]

Of the past 3 weeks I felt this game was the one we deserved to win the least, however that's football. Just last round Adelaide went up 1-0 against Sydney and similar to us held on by a thread with Galekovic saving their asses big time on a few occassions.
Not every game is gonna be pretty, in the end we got there and it gives a little hope that we don't get the wooden spoon come the end of the season

[sammydog]

**** every one of you that doesn't believe in the Stubbins philosophy.

Like he promised, we are moving forward.

#StubbinsIn

[Jeterpool]

We did well in the first half but I thought the Victory could simply cut us apart at any time. Second half we parked the bus and got one on a break. Victory were almost like us in the previous two games.

That's two consecutive away victories now. We're certainly getting plenty of defending practice.

Not getting a lot of joy to be honest but it's going to take a while for me to enjoy watching us again. Just been hurt too bad this season

[MFKS]

The member will explode if we jag a win.

I feel so depressed right now

How the **** did that happen???

[parksey]

**** every one of you that doesn't believe in the Stubbins philosophy.

Like he promised, we are moving forward.

#StubbinsIn

it this legit?

[lquiquer]

I feel so depressed right now

How the **** did that happen???

Scums to get the spoon..... A real possibility....,U feel better now?

[MFKS]

Scums to get the spoon..... A real possibility....,U feel better now?

No apparently Kale is trialling for the gypos

[plague]

I'm so shitfaced right now at a wedding.
Richie Benaud dies and the Jets win away.
The **** is happening in this world?


For the record Member I hit them like a complete busted ass round Crowne Plaza today. Maybe I need tip from Montano on how to hit them straight.

[MFKS]

I'm so shitfaced right now at a wedding.
Richie Benaud dies and the Jets win away.
The **** is happening in this world?


For the record Member I hit them like a complete busted ass round Crowne Plaza today. Maybe I need tip from Montano on how to hit them straight.

Its alright.

Head to Hunter Stadium Muppet will sit you in the stands have a chat about it. You will continue to not be able to hit a cows arse with a banjo and it will actually get worse.
10 weeks later it will all come good and you will hit the fairways all day long and get the glory

[Nou Camp]

Is that 2 games in a row caravella had missed we have won?

[Jeterpool]

Is that 2 games in a row caravella had missed we have won?

I'll look into that

[MFKS]

Is that 2 games in a row caravella had missed we have won?

Whether the stats confirm it to me is irrelevant.

As much as people do love his effort and what not if he is given a contract we may as well surrender now. Physically he is not dominant enough in CM he also kills the speed of play as he likes to take too many touches before releasing the ball.

[Robbo]

As a regular forum watcher I have not commented but am always interested to see the views of fellow fans. I have to say I am always extremely surprised to read the persistent hate towards Caravella. As a football fan for many years and one that has played at a high level it is quite clear he is an excellent footballer, he has a great touch, excellent vision and as in sure jeterpool will confirm, is passing accuracy is up there with the best in the team. Each week the commentators sing his praises and I for one agree. It just seems there is this bandwagon mentality from certain social media users that like to hate him for some reason without actually allowing themselves to see the quality he brings to the team. It happens, of course, there are players I love to hate too! But I urge you all to take an experiment and rewatch last weeks game against Perth or against Adelaide and have your eye solely on Caravella. Then come back and say he has no presence as a CM. This is a player that has won player of the year at 2 a-league clubs.
Caravella is a possession football player, if the team is weak it means he has to hold on to the ball to find a man. If no one is making a run or is on, he won't pass, it's that simple. I urge you also not to constantly bag a player that gives his soul to the club. You can get any other player here and at any quality and there attitude might stink or will leave as soon as better opportunities come up.
Just my opinion.

[q-money]

welcome to the foz rob caravella

[Tommyjet]

As a regular forum watcher I have not commented but am always interested to see the views of fellow fans. I have to say I am always extremely surprised to read the persistent hate towards Caravella. As a football fan for many years and one that has played at a high level it is quite clear he is an excellent footballer, he has a great touch, excellent vision and as in sure jeterpool will confirm, is passing accuracy is up there with the best in the team. Each week the commentators sing his praises and I for one agree. It just seems there is this bandwagon mentality from certain social media users that like to hate him for some reason without actually allowing themselves to see the quality he brings to the team. It happens, of course, there are players I love to hate too! But I urge you all to take an experiment and rewatch last weeks game against Perth or against Adelaide and have your eye solely on Caravella. Then come back and say he has no presence as a CM. This is a player that has won player of the year at 2 a-league clubs.
Caravella is a possession football player, if the team is weak it means he has to hold on to the ball to find a man. If no one is making a run or is on, he won't pass, it's that simple. I urge you also not to constantly bag a player that gives his soul to the club. You can get any other player here and at any quality and there attitude might stink or will leave as soon as better opportunities come up.
Just my opinion.

Thank you for your opinion.

I couldn't give a flying f$&k what his passing percentage is. It becomes irrelevant when all he ever does is pass it back or sideways. His touch is alright but by the time he is finished touching it so much the play he had in his mind has passed and he has to have a couple of more touches before he finds another 3m pass sideways or backwards to make.

I want a midfielder that doesn't worry about his passing percentage and the ability to play one touch football. Not a midfielder that slows and often kills most of the transitions to attack.

He has had a couple of alright games since doomsday but if he is re-signed or even remotely near the starting team next season we have not progressed at all.

Ill mention but not rant about his poor positioning and ball watching.

Oh and do you ever hear a commentator slander a player on telecast. They are very limited in what they can say.

Just my opinion

[Robbo]

Thank you for your opinion.

I couldn't give a flying f$&k what his passing percentage is. It becomes irrelevant when all he ever does is pass it back or sideways. His touch is alright but by the time he is finished touching it so much the play he had in his mind has passed and he has to have a couple of more touches before he finds another 3m pass sideways or backwards to make.

I want a midfielder that doesn't worry about his passing percentage and the ability to play one touch football. Not a midfielder that slows and often kills most of the transitions to attack.

He has had a couple of alright games since doomsday but if he is re-signed or even remotely near the starting team next season we have not progressed at all.

Ill mention but not rant about his poor positioning and ball watching.

Oh and do you ever hear a commentator slander a player on telecast. They are very limited in what they can say.

Just my opinion

You tommyjet have called yourself a kanta fanboy.

Do you actually watch the games?

Kanta often passes to no one.

Forget killing a counter attack from taking too many touches - why don't you talk about losing the ball 80% of the time.

In a weak team, which talking ball players we are, or players that maje clever runs, if there is no one on, the safest bet is back or sideways. Its not rocket science. But please go back and watch Adelaide and Perth. Do it with an open mind and come back. I doubt you will though since even on his best games you haven't given him credit.

FYI. Commentators quite often slag players. Last week harper said the person you need to thank for keeping the midfield organised giving the front third freedom to take on players is Caravella.

[The Dunster]

Can't wait til next week when Sydney give Phil Stubbins the reality check he deserves.
Sure the team got the result and competed well in parts but they were also exposed defensively several times and failed to deliver in the final third until Montano was gifted a goal by a woeful clearance attempt.
I hate GVE as much as the next bloke but even his wooden spoon team would have easily beat this lot.

[Tommyjet]

You tommyjet have called yourself a kanta fanboy.

Do you actually watch the games?

Kanta often passes to no one.

Forget killing a counter attack from taking too many touches - why don't you talk about losing the ball 80% of the time.

In a weak team, which talking ball players we are, or players that maje clever runs, if there is no one on, the safest bet is back or sideways. Its not rocket science. But please go back and watch Adelaide and Perth. Do it with an open mind and come back. I doubt you will though since even on his best games you haven't given him credit.

FYI. Commentators quite often slag players. Last week harper said the person you need to thank for keeping the midfield organised giving the front third freedom to take on players is Caravella.

80% of the time. Wow. How has kanta had a contract for so long? I know he has a few turnovers during the game and they are always picked up on. A couple of mates of mine were under the same impression as you and others until they sat with me one game and I pointed out the little things that kanta did well such as interceptions or not allowing players like finkler and carrusca to turn and face forward or the little one touch passing or simply moving off the ball and dragging a defender with him. Fair to say they ended up agreeing with me and got quite sick of me saying 'see what kanta did there'.

Couldn't care less if you have played for the socceroos, Real Madrid or the Canberra cosmos, I know what I see.

[MFKS]

Tommyjet not disagreeing with your opinion at all. The bloke your replying to has made 3 posts may I suggest you tone it down a fraction and not scare him off.:thumbsup: :rof:

[plague]

As a regular forum watcher I have not commented but am always interested to see the views of fellow fans. I have to say I am always extremely surprised to read the persistent hate towards Caravella. As a football fan for many years and one that has played at a high level it is quite clear he is an excellent footballer, he has a great touch, excellent vision and as in sure jeterpool will confirm, is passing accuracy is up there with the best in the team. Each week the commentators sing his praises and I for one agree. It just seems there is this bandwagon mentality from certain social media users that like to hate him for some reason without actually allowing themselves to see the quality he brings to the team. It happens, of course, there are players I love to hate too! But I urge you all to take an experiment and rewatch last weeks game against Perth or against Adelaide and have your eye solely on Caravella. Then come back and say he has no presence as a CM. This is a player that has won player of the year at 2 a-league clubs.
Caravella is a possession football player, if the team is weak it means he has to hold on to the ball to find a man. If no one is making a run or is on, he won't pass, it's that simple. I urge you also not to constantly bag a player that gives his soul to the club. You can get any other player here and at any quality and there attitude might stink or will leave as soon as better opportunities come up.
Just my opinion.

The fact you had so many words to say yet completely ignored the fact he cut his hair says to me you know very little about football or the player himself.

[380]

welcome to the foz rob caravella

Just spotted Zen doing laps of the roundabout at Speers Point.

[Tommyjet]

Tommyjet not disagreeing with your opinion at all. The bloke your replying to has made 3 posts may I suggest you tone it down a fraction and not scare him off.:thumbsup: :rof:

Yeah my bad. All opinions are welcome. I was one of those that lurked in the light for years before joining the forum and ofcourse the darkness that surrounds it.

[De-Champ]

I don't know much about the stats of either player, my opinion is that Kanta is good at defending but shit at attacking or passing the ball. Caravella seems to be playing better now (since joining the Jets) and not doing many roundabouts as he used to. He even seems to be passing the ball forward.

[Jeterpool]

I don't know much about the stats of either player, my opinion is that Kanta is good at defending but shit at attacking or passing the ball. Caravella seems to be playing better now (since joining the Jets) and not doing many roundabouts as he used to. He even seems to be passing the ball forward.

I'll collate what I ahve next week. I'll include pepper for balance. I don't have passing accuracy unfortunately

[MFKS]

I'll collate what I ahve next week. I'll include pepper for balance. I don't have passing accuracy unfortunately

Stat man.

Am I right that in the Muppet's career at Jets his longest losing run is 2 games??


Considering how shit we are I find that amazing every time we have lost 2 on the trot we have responded and bagged a draw or a win to break the losing run and stop it at 2

[Robbo]

I'll collate what I ahve next week. I'll include pepper for balance. I don't have passing accuracy unfortunately

Looking forward to seeing these stats jeterpool.
Randomly, would also would like to see recruitment stats of other coaches in the a-league this year to see where stubbins stands in no. of fresh recruits as opposed to Sydney, wello etc. do you think we can get these? Would be interesting to compare him to merrick who has done a stellar job with an 'inherited' squad, given stubbins main excuse for his epic failure this year is is 'not his team'

[Footyhead]

I don't know much about the stats of either player, my opinion is that Kanta is good at defending but shit at attacking or passing the ball. Caravella seems to be playing better now (since joining the Jets) and not doing many roundabouts as he used to. He even seems to be passing the ball forward.

Caravella has scored 2 goals in 126 games, Kanta has scored 1 goal in 96 games.... They should be contributing more to goals... That's how you win games. Caravella too often pulls up instead of moving forward, one blatant example a few weeks ago he could have moved to the top of the box and had a shot, but instead passes out to the wing. Yes he has some skills, but there are much better midfielders out there.

[Robbo]

Caravella has scored 2 goals in 126 games, Kanta has scored 1 goal in 96 games.... They should be contributing more to goals... That's how you win games. Caravella too often pulls up instead of moving forward, one blatant example a few weeks ago he could have moved to the top of the box and had a shot, but instead passes out to the wing. Yes he has some skills, but there are much better midfielders out there.

agree with the goals completely, they both need to score more.
his holding on to the ball awaiting for the right pass is very related to the quality of players in front of him.
do you remember him at gold coast and even adelaide? I remember him being dynamic and sharp.I think with a better 6 and hard working 10 he would be a very effective 8.

[Tommyjet]

Caravella has scored 2 goals in 126 games, Kanta has scored 1 goal in 96 games.... They should be contributing more to goals... That's how you win games. Caravella too often pulls up instead of moving forward, one blatant example a few weeks ago he could have moved to the top of the box and had a shot, but instead passes out to the wing. Yes he has some skills, but there are much better midfielders out there.

We need a new midfield full stop. Personally as much as I like kanta I see him eventually becoming a centreback.

James holland needs to looked at. Some have said why would he come back. He has lost his socceroos spot to a number of a-league midfielders. Either ange doesn't get to watch him, doesn't rate him or doesn't rate the Austrian bundasliga. Come back on a decent wage at the jets and dominate the midfield against those that have taken his spot.

[MFKS]

agree with the goals completely, they both need to score more.
his holding on to the ball awaiting for the right pass is very related to the quality of players in front of him.
do you remember him at gold coast and even adelaide? I remember him being dynamic and sharp.I think with a better 6 and hard working 10 he would be a very effective 8.

This though is the HAL

You can't get Zidane in the 10 and Viera in the 6

Caravella at the HAL level his time has come and gone. For some reason he has been kept at this level for 2 years more than he should have before heading back to the NPL to see his playing days out

[Jeterpool]

Looking forward to seeing these stats jeterpool.
Randomly, would also would like to see recruitment stats of other coaches in the a-league this year to see where stubbins stands in no. of fresh recruits as opposed to Sydney, wello etc. do you think we can get these? Would be interesting to compare him to merrick who has done a stellar job with an 'inherited' squad, given stubbins main excuse for his epic failure this year is is 'not his team'

I've only got jets stuff robbo

[Robbo]

This though is the HAL

You can't get Zidane in the 10 and Viera in the 6

Caravella at the HAL level his time has come and gone. For some reason he has been kept at this level for 2 years more than he should have before heading back to the NPL to see his playing days out

Disagree completely but that's cool.
2 years ago he was player of the year at Adelaide United. I know how I see things and again I think he is quality. Look at Broich this year, goes from Jonny warren medalist to non existent until last few weeks because of overall performance of roar. Especially that no. 6 position with Caravella, it's realky thankless if you have a weak team or players around you.

He was a big part of our turnaround imo. I'm not alone either in thinking this way the fella has some fans,in fact everyone i speak to rates him highly. obviously not on here though ! ive been around a long time, forums are difficult because I don't know if I'm talking to 15 year old kids that have never played the game and believe me age and football experience makes a big difference. (I don't say that to offend)

Good to hear opinions and respect each others.

[plague]

Played good for the Goldie in S.1.
Had Cullina though.

[Nou Camp]

As a regular forum watcher I have not commented but am always interested to see the views of fellow fans. I have to say I am always extremely surprised to read the persistent hate towards Caravella. As a football fan for many years and one that has played at a high level it is quite clear he is an excellent footballer, he has a great touch, excellent vision and as in sure jeterpool will confirm, is passing accuracy is up there with the best in the team. Each week the commentators sing his praises and I for one agree. It just seems there is this bandwagon mentality from certain social media users that like to hate him for some reason without actually allowing themselves to see the quality he brings to the team. It happens, of course, there are players I love to hate too! But I urge you all to take an experiment and rewatch last weeks game against Perth or against Adelaide and have your eye solely on Caravella. Then come back and say he has no presence as a CM. This is a player that has won player of the year at 2 a-league clubs.
Caravella is a possession football player, if the team is weak it means he has to hold on to the ball to find a man. If no one is making a run or is on, he won't pass, it's that simple. I urge you also not to constantly bag a player that gives his soul to the club. You can get any other player here and at any quality and there attitude might stink or will leave as soon as better opportunities come up.
Just my opinion.

I wasn't having a go a caravella just making an observation that 2 games he missed we have won
Regardless of ability sometimes players just don't fit into teams anymore

[The Dunster]

Regardless of ability sometimes players just don't fit into teams anymore[/B]

Agree. We have several CM's and yet none of them are genuine goal scorers. That's a massive problem because the opposition are never in two minds about how to contain us as they will always be looking for the pass rather than a shot.

[Robbo]

Agree. We have several CM's and yet none of them are genuine goal scorers. That's a massive problem because the opposition are never in two minds about how to contain us as they will always be looking for the pass rather than a shot.

But you cant apply this to Caravella if you are looking at the games, particularly in the last 5 weeks, honestly without bias.
any football mind would put him in a team over kantarovski and pepper any day of the week without question.
as a number 6 he isn't afraid to ask for the ball off the defence and lay it off accordingly. when you are a team that cant keep the ball (like us at the moment) you desperately need to keep possession. stick to the fundamentals. if he goes for the killer ball in the middle of the park without anyone making runs (watch closely,players are rarely on when he is holding the ball) and he loses it,he is responsible for losing the ball in the middle of the park.
agree his goalscoring is questionable but when he is sitting so deep for the majority of the game the goals have to come from higher up the park.
to be honest i offered my opinion on caravella as a balance on here because i think as a whole he's extremely valued by fans. i think many of this forum simply don't like him.the majority of you would put pepper in the team ahead of him where to me, and to many, if you know football, that would be baffling.

[plague]

the majority of you would put pepper in the team ahead of him where to me, and to many, if you know football, that would be baffling.

if you know the foz, the more condescending you get, the quicker people come around to your side of the argument.

[furns]

We have discussed Caravella every week on the podcast. Consensus seems to be that he is much better working as part of a 2 man midfield rather than 3. He has changed his role greatly from when he played as a no10 at GCU, he is now purely a DM but with licence to move forward in attack but from a fairly deep position.
It would be great if we could play him further forward but with Cooper looking better & better in the no10 role the more he plays, I think that Caravella will continue where he is.
And for the record, he has been much better since Jones came in, probably our strongest performer in midfield in recent games.

[Tommyjet]

if you know the foz, the more condescending you get, the quicker people come around to your side of the argument.

don't bother, we don't know football because we don't agree with him, may swell shut up and let him educate us.

[Robbo]

if you know the foz, the more condescending you get, the quicker people come around to your side of the argument.

to be honest i am not trying to make you come around to my side of the argument, I am just saying what I see.
I apologise if that came across as condescending but I believe it to be true, in that way too many have an opinion without knowing the game too well, i am not saying that is you, plague,or anyone else for that matter, just a fact. i was simply saying that it is clear to the football brain that caravella, if you look at his attributes as an overall footballer adds significantly more than our other CM's and would excel with better midfielders around him.

[Robbo]

don't bother, we don't know football because we don't agree with him, may swell shut up and let him educate us.

i do believe you pretty much abused me the first time i posted so you are one to talk aren't you tommyjet ?

[Robbo]

We have discussed Caravella every week on the podcast. Consensus seems to be that he is much better working as part of a 2 man midfield rather than 3. He has changed his role greatly from when he played as a no10 at GCU, he is now purely a DM but with licence to move forward in attack but from a fairly deep position.
It would be great if we could play him further forward but with Cooper looking better & better in the no10 role the more he plays, I think that Caravella will continue where he is.
And for the record, he has been much better since Jones came in, probably our strongest performer in midfield in recent games.

i have not listened to the podcast but now will since I've started participating in the forum ! at least some balance on caravella. i agree he isn't a perfect player but I think he is a ver, veryy good one that could use another technical ball playing midfielder alongside him. definitely not one to discard for next season.aside from his on field attributes he is a hard working big hearted player, won't quit until the very end. something again so undervalued these days imo.

[MFKS]

to be honest i am not trying to make you come around to my side of the argument, I am just saying what I see.
I apologise if that came across as condescending but I believe it to be true, in that way too many have an opinion without knowing the game too well, i am not saying that is you, plague,or anyone else for that matter, just a fact. i was simply saying that it is clear to the football brain that caravella, if you look at his attributes as an overall footballer adds significantly more than our other CM's and would excel with better midfielders around him.

Caravella is suited to a slow tempo game. Success in the HAL these days comes from high tempo games.
The tempo of play at the Jets is a ****ing disgrace and has been for well over 5 years

Caravella is not the cause of it but he exacerbates it with his need to take 500 touches before releasing the ball.

I am of the opinion that other than Cooper the rest should be boned.

To give the Muppet credit he has axed the bejesus out of our squad and will have ample opportunity to rebuild his side to go MOVING FORWARD etc
He keeps talking about losing culture etc but IMHO so far he hasn't gone far enough in removing the likes of Kanta BK Pepper Reegz Virgili etc who are probably more responsible for this losing culture than anyone as they have been here for the last 5 years.

Out of all our off contract players the only ones we should even be entertaining in offering a new deal to are Mullen but only at the right price. Decent player but not worth paying overs for and possibly the Serbian winger. That also depends on an assessment from the Coaching panel if this bloke is showing something skill wise in training that says he will contribute MORE next season with full fitness under his belt. Otherwise we should pass and back ourselves to find a better import.

As for the rest of the off contract players. The opportunity is there to wipe the slate clean and Muppet should be harsh and take it

[lquiquer]

Round about far too slow in transition ........how many assists has he got to his name?......Calling Jeterpool.....Cheers

[Robbo]

Caravella is suited to a slow tempo game. Success in the HAL these days comes from high tempo games.
The tempo of play at the Jets is a ****ing disgrace and has been for well over 5 years

Caravella is not the cause of it but he exacerbates it with his need to take 500 touches before releasing the ball.



i have watched caravella play since GCU and i disagree that he is suited to a slow tempo game. he just treasures possession.why are going to pass if no one is on? why when your team is already low on confidence,bottom of the table and you know the quality isn't there are you going to aim to make a killer pass when no one is on just for the sake of passing or booting it forward?
and I actually think he's been holding on to the ball far less since we've performed better as a team. no coincidence, either. with the team being far more organised he is able to move the ball quicker and more forward.
i guess we could go back and forwards all day about a subject we clearly don't agree on ! #caravellaIN
we agree on mullen and the serb though !

[lquiquer]

i have watched caravella play since GCU and i disagree that he is suited to a slow tempo game. he just treasures possession.why are going to pass if no one is on? why when your team is already low on confidence,bottom of the table and you know the quality isn't there are you going to aim to make a killer pass when no one is on just for the sake of passing or booting it forward?
and I actually think he's been holding on to the ball far less since we've performed better as a team. no coincidence, either. with the team being far more organised he is finding that space to move the ball quicker and more forward.
i guess we could go back and forwards all day about a subject we clearly don't agree on ! #caravellaIN
we agree on mullen and the serb though !
And Leaky G

[Jeterpool]

Round about far too slow in transition ........how many assists has he got to his name?......Calling Jeterpool.....Cheers

Geez I still owe robbo some stats from yesterday and pv4 Caravella stats from the other day too. Need I take a ticket mate :)

I think it's 1 off the top of my head.

[MFKS]

i have watched caravella play since GCU and i disagree that he is suited to a slow tempo game. he just treasures possession.why are going to pass if no one is on? why when your team is already low on confidence,bottom of the table and you know the quality isn't there are you going to aim to make a killer pass when no one is on just for the sake of passing or booting it forward?
and I actually think he's been holding on to the ball far less since we've performed better as a team. no coincidence, either. with the team being far more organised he is able to move the ball quicker and more forward.
i guess we could go back and forwards all day about a subject we clearly don't agree on ! #caravellaIN
we agree on mullen and the serb though !

But as far as Carravellas playmaking skills go he is only useful at shipping the ball onwards to someone else who can then create the opportunity. He ain't gonna tak a touch beat a man and then slap it into the top corner. He ain't gonna beat a man with a 1-2 and get into the box with a run and take a touch and fire at goal. All he is gonna do is ship it to someone else who is then gonna have to do the fancy stuff.

As a playmaker he offers little other than passing the buck to someone else.
As for your claim he treasures possession you ain't wrong there. Problem is that when the ball needs to be moved on he takes 6 touches and then passes it instead of one to control and a second to pass to his teammate in space. There are hundreds of times this season he has killed attacks for us because he won't get rid of the thing quicker and I ain't talking about some miracle pass but a simple decision to release the thing onwards
Defensively he may run around with a good engine fitness etc but he is neither physically strong at winning headers tackles etc in the centre of the park like a Milligan/Valeri or has a presence that dominates this area for us like Paartaluu for Heart or Bonavecci for Phoenix have

Considering where we are in the League and where we need to go I struggle to see how you can condone re signing a bloke who is neither a play maker or physically dominant CM and is at an age where he will neither improve or develop these traits when the opportunity is there to not sign him and go find us our own Bonavecci Milligan or Carrusco etc

[lquiquer]

But as far as Carravellas playmaking skills go he is only useful at shipping the ball onwards to someone else who can then create the opportunity. He ain't gonna tak a touch beat a man and then slap it into the top corner. He ain't gonna beat a man with a 1-2 and get into the box with a run and take a touch and fire at goal. All he is gonna do is ship it to someone else who is then gonna have to do the fancy stuff.

As a playmaker he offers little other than passing the buck to someone else.
As for your claim he treasures possession you ain't wrong there. Problem is that when the ball needs to be moved on he takes 6 touches and then passes it instead of one to control and a second to pass to his teammate in space. There are hundreds of times this season he has killed attacks for us because he won't get rid of the thing quicker and I ain't talking about some miracle pass but a simple decision to release the thing onwards
Defensively he may run around with a good engine fitness etc but he is neither physically strong at winning headers tackles etc in the centre of the park like a Milligan/Valeri or has a presence that dominates this area for us like Paartaluu for Heart or Bonavecci for Phoenix have

Considering where we are in the League and where we need to go I struggle to see how you can condone re signing a bloke who is neither a play maker or physically dominant CM and is at an age where he will neither improve or develop these traits when the opportunity is there to not sign him and go find us our own Bonavecci Milligan or Carrusco etc

^^^^ spot on

[Frodo]

Considering where we are in the League and where we need to go I struggle to see how you can condone re signing a bloke who is neither a play maker or physically dominant CM and is at an age where he will neither improve or develop these traits when the opportunity is there to not sign him and go find us our own Bonavecci Milligan or Carrusco etc

Milligan does the exact same things as Caravan. But probably earns 20x as much coin for it. Caravan is a perfect squad player/ugly option.. all good teams have them.

Kanta is the midfielder we need to offload and replace.

[Robbo]

But as far as Carravellas playmaking skills go he is only useful at shipping the ball onwards to someone else who can then create the opportunity. He ain't gonna tak a touch beat a man and then slap it into the top corner. He ain't gonna beat a man with a 1-2 and get into the box with a run and take a touch and fire at goal. All he is gonna do is ship it to someone else who is then gonna have to do the fancy stuff.

As a playmaker he offers little other than passing the buck to someone else.
As for your claim he treasures possession you ain't wrong there. Problem is that when the ball needs to be moved on he takes 6 touches and then passes it instead of one to control and a second to pass to his teammate in space. There are hundreds of times this season he has killed attacks for us because he won't get rid of the thing quicker and I ain't talking about some miracle pass but a simple decision to release the thing onwards
Defensively he may run around with a good engine fitness etc but he is neither physically strong at winning headers tackles etc in the centre of the park like a Milligan/Valeri or has a presence that dominates this area for us like Paartaluu for Heart or Bonavecci for Phoenix have

Considering where we are in the League and where we need to go I struggle to see how you can condone re signing a bloke who is neither a play maker or physically dominant CM and is at an age where he will neither improve or develop these traits when the opportunity is there to not sign him and go find us our own Bonavecci Milligan or Carrusco etc

at the risk of flogging a dead horse because your bias is clearly leaned against caravella...
you are oversimplifying his game.

he does take on players if his position allows, he puts in some good through balls, has precision switch passing and a great first touch.
but I will agree he is not a natural 6, he is forced to play there because he's reliable enough to receive the ball off the defenders and pass it on without threat of losing it. he is best suited in a 433 just in front of a good, solid 6 jedinak style player and that will give him more license to take risks, take on players more, be less hesitant with his passing. the way he was at GCU with culina alongside him. you are forgetting the quality of the players around him atm not to mention 3 out of 25. you mention 'you don't mean the killer ball just pass it onwards' but if theres no one on you are basically saying to pass it regardless? to where if no one is on? when we are struggling to keep possession as it is is? does he lose it in the middle of the park, just in front of the defence where its dangerous? or does he hold on to it to make a nice switch or pass it to a man?

also you question his ability as a playmaker but he is playing too deep to even go there. so not even relevant TBH. he was actually brilliant at GCU further up the park. keep in mind he won player of the year at both a-league clubs he's been at so its not just me that sees his quality clearly.

we can go around and around in circles with this but as an experiment go backhand watch adelaide and perth with an open mind. for me he was MOM against perth especially before he came off injured and all around me agreed.

[hawk]

at the risk of flogging a dead horse because your bias is clearly leaned against caravella...
you are oversimplifying his game.

he does take on players if his position allows, he puts in some good through balls, has precision switch passing and a great first touch.
but I will agree he is not a natural 6, he is forced to play there because he's reliable enough to receive the ball off the defenders and pass it on without threat of losing it. he is best suited in a 433 just in front of a good, solid 6 jedinak style player and that will give him more license to take risks, take on players more, be less hesitant with his passing. the way he was at GCU with culina alongside him. you are forgetting the quality of the players around him atm not to mention 3 out of 25. you mention 'you don't mean the killer ball just pass it onwards' but if theres no one on you are basically saying to pass it regardless? to where if no one is on? when we are struggling to keep possession as it is is? does he lose it in the middle of the park, just in front of the defence where its dangerous? or does he hold on to it to make a nice switch or pass it to a man?

also you question his ability as a playmaker but he is playing too deep to even go there. so not even relevant TBH. he was actually brilliant at GCU further up the park. keep in mind he won player of the year at both a-league clubs he's been at so its not just me that sees his quality clearly.
.

I also see quality in Cara. Touch and keenness to get on the ball then move it on. defence not so much

Yes we do need better & like everyone gets it wrong sometimes but often he was the only bright light in a sea of brown.

[Nou Camp]

still doesn't change the fact we have won the last 2 games he hasn't played in (Gallagher also playing much less has helped of course)
I was a caravella fan for a long time,I just think the team needs something different these days
just like Liverpool releasing gerrard
xavi leaving barca etc etc

[Jeterpool]

Round about far too slow in transition ........how many assists has he got to his name?......Calling Jeterpool.....Cheers

Zenon has provided two assists back in season 9, both against Wellington Phonix (rd 18 and 24)

[Jeterpool]

I don't know much about the stats of either player, my opinion is that Kanta is good at defending but shit at attacking or passing the ball. Caravella seems to be playing better now (since joining the Jets) and not doing many roundabouts as he used to. He even seems to be passing the ball forward.

Ok De-champ and Robbo, here is what I have.

Season 10


Caravella - 20 appearances (17 starts, substituted 3 times). 1521 minutes played. 10 shots on goal, 0 on target. 0 assists. 0 offsides. 24 fouls drawn, 26 conceded. 2 yellow cards

Kantarovski - 18 appearances (18 starts, substituted 6 times). 1529 minutes played. 3 shots on goal, 0 on target. 0 assists. 0 offsides. 9 fouls drawn, 35 conceded. 3 yellows cards and 1 red card.

Pepper - 21 appearances (14 starts, substituted 6 times). 1366 minutes played. 1 shot on goal, 1 on target. 1 assist, 1 offside. 20 fouls drawn, 26 conceded. 2 yellow cards.

Overall


Caravella - 45 appearances (37 starts, substituted 11 times). 3154 minutes played. 16 shots on goal, 2 on target. 2 assists. 0 offsides. 65 fouls drawn, 54 conceded. 8 yellow cards

Kantarovski - 106 appearances (93 starts, substituted 17 times). 8215 minutes played. 22 shots on goal, 7 on target, 1 goal. 5 assists. 4 offsides. 69 fouls drawn, 143 conceded. 26 yellows cards and 2 red cards.

Pepper - 72 appearances (39 starts, substituted 11 times). 3909 minutes played. 11 shots on goal, 5 on target, 2 goals. 3 assist, 1 offside. 35 fouls drawn, 56 conceded. 2 yellow cards and 1 red card.


By looking at this, we aren't getting enough out of our midfield. Teams only have to shut down one of the front 3 and they aren't getting tested. We need a more dynamic midfielder. Let's look at two other players who have recently been in our midfield during this poor run.



Zadkovich - 97 appearances (97 starts, substituted 10 times). 8457 minutes played. 113 shots on goal, 41 on target, 6 goals. 12 assists, 6 offside. 121 fouls drawn, 149 conceded. 31 yellow cards and 1 red card.

Wheelhouse - 106 appearances (86 starts, substituted 26 times). 7584 minutes played. 56 shots on goal, 27 on target, 7 goals. 6 assist, 10 offside. 90 fouls drawn, 112 conceded. 17 yellow cards and 3 red card.


In my opinion, and as had been mentioned before, we need a midfield overhaul. We have 3 players, 2 in particular in Pepper and Caravella who are all very general box-to-box type mids.They work hard, retain possession and recycle the ball. Sort of like a Joe Allen.

We missed a chance, in my opinion, with Paartalu. He does performs the screening role very well and is also a set piece threat (Miracle of Brisbane anyone?). Then there is a player like Aaron Mooy who has all the time on the ball, or so it seems, and the ability to perform that box-to-box role. Finally, a Gui Finkler-type creative role.

Funnily, all these players were off contract last year. I’m not claiming we could have signed all 3, but here is what I keep pointing out as an issue with our squad balance – players in the prime of their career. We have players at either end of the spectrum and very few in between. We’re starting to recruit in this way by signing Nigel Boogaard and hopefully retaining Daniel Mullen and Lee Ke-Ji. These 3 are very good players who can positively contribute. Add to that Scott Neville and we are starting to see a squad with some quality.

The front two thirds of the pitch and a goalie need spending this year. We have lots of players off contract but if we start to retain the players we’ve had for year, I have a feeling it’s going to be more of the same.

[Robbo]

I think what we have to keep in mind is that there are 14 players on the roster to replace. That is a MASSIVE job. If enver resigns that leaves 3 foreign spots, the rest will have to come from somewhere. From the a-league chances are we'll only get a-league rejects because most of quality players will have be re-signed by their club by now. And even if they are disgruntled at their club and they have options jets will be the last place they'll come.
My view is to retain proven players like Caravella, regardless of your little qualms because they are proven. Proven enough even if you do msnage to find better you can still use as a squadie. But again I think he's quality and with a good midfield around him he'll shine

[Jeterpool]

I think what we have to keep in mind is that there are 14 players on the roster to replace. That is a MASSIVE job. If enver resigns that leaves 3 foreign spots, the rest will have to come from somewhere. From the a-league chances are we'll only get a-league rejects because most of quality players will have be re-signed by their club by now. And even if they are disgruntled at their club and they have options jets will be the last place they'll come.


This is so true. You've raised some great points there Robbo. We need to try bring Aussies back from overseas.

Hello James Holland, hello Richie Porter

[plague]

he is best suited in a 433 just in front of a good, solid 6 jedinak style player..........

the way he was at GCU with culina alongside him.

you are forgetting the quality of the players around him.

These quotes interest me.
You say he was good/would be good with better players around him.

So why wouldn't Pepper or Kanta be better playing with someone other than Caravella?

Maybe Caravella is the reason those other 2 aren't playing up to your expectations.

{insert Keanu WHOA meme here}

[Robbo]

These quotes interest me.
You say he was good/would be good with better players around him.

So why wouldn't Pepper or Kanta be better playing with someone other than Caravella?

Maybe Caravella is the reason those other 2 aren't playing up to your expectations.

{insert Keanu WHOA meme here}

Becayse I never said he WASNT good this year. I think he has still been very good, better than all of our midfielders by a mile. I just think he would be BETTER with more ball playing midfielders and with him playing further up the park.

And also because he is a proven player, at other clubs in the league. he has had individual success himself. If we're honest would kanta and pepper get a run in any other club?

Also I think this topic has reached its limit because I really don't think his critics on here will see anything other than his flaws despite his performance. Which is a shame

I probably should get some of my crew on here for balance !

[MFKS]

Your mates are more than welcome to join the foz.


You though are arguing a point here
.

You need to be able to justify your view. Your mates don't need to help you back it up.

Keep at it but remember it is you that needs to express your opinion on why Roundabout is needed and not your mates

[Robbo]

Your mates are more than welcome to join the foz.


You though are arguing a point here
.

You need to be able to justify your view. Your mates don't need to help you back it up.

Keep at it but remember it is you that needs to express your opinion on why Roundabout is needed and not your mates

Fair point but I believe I've more than expressed and justified my view,I have enough knowledge of the game to be able to make a point

The reason for suggesting I bring my mates on here (old timers to be fair,not real forum users) is as I think when you sway to not liking a player,your opinion becomes biased and unfair. My crew have very good football nous and could contribute to discussion greatly is all, not just on Caravella but other football matters

[MFKS]

Fair point but I believe I've more than expressed and justified my view,I have enough knowledge of the game to be able to make a point

The reason for suggesting I bring my mates on here (old timers to be fair,not real forum users) is as I think when you sway to not liking a player,your opinion becomes biased and unfair. My crew have very good football nous and could contribute to discussion greatly is all, not just on Caravella but other football matters

Bring them on then.

We are all half wits here and their intelligence to educate us will be a great boost to the Foz :whistling:

Your proving of great use already Robbo :thumbsup:

[Robbo]

Bring them on then.

We are all half wits here and their intelligence to educate us will be a great boost to the Foz :whistling:

Your proving of great use already Robbo :thumbsup:

And that's how you ostracise other fans that want to share their opinion. It's a wonder it took me so long to come on here.

[MFKS]

And that's how you ostracise other fans that want to share their opinion. It's a wonder it took me so long to come on here.

???? Ostracise???

[plague]

???? Ostracise???

http://www.animalfactguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ostrich.jpg

Dont you know anything pal?

[MFKS]

http://www.animalfactguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ostrich.jpg

Dont you know anything pal?

Strange looking emus

[plague]

Strange looking emus

Hopefully one of Robbos crew is an Ornithologist.
He might learn you something.

[Tommyjet]

Oh dear :facepalm:

[Robbo]

???? Ostracise???
I came on here after years of being a casual observer. There are only a few of you regular posters and when I would see who I believe is one of our better players continuously and in my opinion unfairly criticised (maybe because of clique mentality) even after good matches I wanted to finally come on here and offer my opinion,because the truth is,I believe most fans that don't participate on this forum would be happy if Caravella stayed. and while I was at it I thought it would be a good opportunity to share my passion for football and exchange opinions. When I said ill bring my crew on I did not mean to educate you I think it is always good to have your opinions challenged (mine also) and grow the forum with new participants. We all want a better club in the end. Perhaps forum participation is not for me I may not have the humour for it.

[Captain Obvious]

Perhaps forum participation is not for me I may not have the humour for it.

well i guess its time for me to introduce myself then.
hello.

[q-money]

jeez robbo don't let the resident deranged yahoo in MFKS get to you, just call him a plastic and move on

[Tommyjet]

I came on here after years of being a casual observer. There are only a few of you regular posters and when I would see who I believe is one of our better players continuously and in my opinion unfairly criticised (maybe because of clique mentality) even after good matches I wanted to finally come on here and offer my opinion,because the truth is,I believe most fans that don't participate on this forum would be happy if Caravella stayed. and while I was at it I thought it would be a good opportunity to share my passion for football and exchange opinions. When I said ill bring my crew on I did not mean to educate you I think it is always good to have your opinions challenged (mine also) and grow the forum with new participants. We all want a better club in the end. Perhaps forum participation is not for me I may not have the humour for it.

Just relax a bit mate, acknowledge sarcasm ( which I admit is sometimes hard to recognise with some on here) and most of all realise that some on here with turn to memes or odd pics as soon as you say something that reminds them of that pic. Also some (myself included) may appear to 'fly off the handle' about certain players when really it's just 5 years of frustration getting channelled towards a player that may or may not deserve it.

I think we all need to move on from caravella. We've all stated ours views and reasons for those views on him (as a person great bloke, spoke to him after a game once) and we don't have to come to an agreement.

Thoughts on the rest of the squad? Like the look of alivodic?

[MFKS]

I came on here after years of being a casual observer. There are only a few of you regular posters and when I would see who I believe is one of our better players continuously and in my opinion unfairly criticised (maybe because of clique mentality) even after good matches I wanted to finally come on here and offer my opinion,because the truth is,I believe most fans that don't participate on this forum would be happy if Caravella stayed. and while I was at it I thought it would be a good opportunity to share my passion for football and exchange opinions. When I said ill bring my crew on I did not mean to educate you I think it is always good to have your opinions challenged (mine also) and grow the forum with new participants. We all want a better club in the end. Perhaps forum participation is not for me I may not have the humour for it.
For a start what clique mentality are you referring to??

I dance to the beat of my own drum. Everyone on the foz will tell you that.

As for this bit about forum participation is not for you. You are so far off the mark with that statement.
The humour aspect you will pick up on in time. Don't let that bother you.

What you do have to learn to deal with though is that not everyone is gonna agree with you. People have challenged your view with an alternate view yet your almost at the stage to take your bat and ball and go home. Why??

People are gonna disagree with you from time to time. Accept it and roll with it. No one is right or wrong (except me:rof:) so just accept that from time to time you will get met with approval of your opinion and other times disapproval.

This time you picked support of Carravella and found resistance.

Heres a question for you BK or Birraz???
Give us your opinion on the strengths and weaknesses of these two and where you sit on the subject of who is the better

[lquiquer]

Heres a question for you BK or Birraz???
Give us your opinion on the strengths and weaknesses of these two and where you sit on the subject of who is the better

Maradona or Messi?.......

[MFKS]

No contest Diego Armando Maradona

That bloke played when footballers got away with kicking the shit out of you with all the old skool dirty tactics and still excelled.

Messi on the other hand has never really delivered in the KO stages of a WC. He also has had the benefit of playing with much better teams than Diego did in 86 90 yet Diego carried them

When I was in Buenos Aires everything was Messi. Not for me I was looking out for anything Diego and came home the proud owner of a Diego t shirt

[Robbo]

I don't think the problem was that I was challenged. You may have noticed that did not bother me and my goal was not to convert you.
I felt I was being mocked and as a first time user I did not like that.
I have opinions on every player. Caravella only came up as I had read something I disagreed with. I don't expect or care if everyone agrees with me. I know what I see and wanted to present an alternative argument and some sgreed with me even on this forum. You will find me often saying disagree but that's cool.
Maybe I will learn to lighten up with the sarcasm.

[lquiquer]

No contest Diego Armando Maradona

That bloke played when footballers got away with kicking the shit out of you with all the old skool dirty tactics and still excelled.

Messi on the other hand has never really delivered in the KO stages of a WC. He also has had the benefit of playing with much better teams than Diego did in 86 90 yet Diego carried them

When I was in Buenos Aires everything was Messi. Not for me I was looking out for anything Diego and came home the proud owner of a Diego t shirt

I'm def Diego........until someone does what he did in 86 V England (Not the hand of god) and V Belgium.....also looked at what Napoli won when he moved there. Diego best ever in my opinion........Same if you go Platini V Zizou.....Platini for sure: 9 goals in 5 games at Euro 84, 3 times Golden boot in Italy (Catenacio era and playing "9.5" / 10)......

[furns]

I don't think the problem was that I was challenged. You may have noticed that did not bother me and my goal was not to convert you.
I felt I was being mocked and as a first time user I did not like that.
I have opinions on every player. Caravella only came up as I had read something I disagreed with. I don't expect or care if everyone agrees with me. I know what I see and wanted to present an alternative argument and some sgreed with me even on this forum. You will find me often saying disagree but that's cool.
Maybe I will learn to lighten up with the sarcasm.

A lot of piss taking occurs here mate - take it with a grain of salt.
Welcome to you and any mate that chooses to join this little community.

[lquiquer]

A lot of piss taking occurs here mate - take it with a grain of salt.
Welcome to you and any mate that chooses to join this little community.

Furns you have to come up with something else.....FFS that grain of salt business is what you told me when I joined few years ago !!!!!! :lulzturtle:

[hawk]

I'm def Diego........until someone does what he did in 86 V England (Not the hand of god) and V Belgium.....also looked at what Napoli won when he moved there. Diego best ever in my opinion........Same if you go Platini V Zizou.....Platini for sure: 9 goals in 5 games at Euro 84, 3 times Golden boot in Italy (Catenacio era and playing "9.5" / 10)......

Zizou by a stretch. Platini was excellent in his day though. these 2 are in different eras so hard to compare

[lquiquer]

Zizou by a stretch. Platini was excellent in his day though. these 2 are in different eras so hard to compare

True and must admit zizou won a World Cup

[q-money]

imagine a world without the foz

http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4scn5zLm91qztjn5o1_r1_500.jpg

[parksey]

I love robbo

[belchardo]

I love robbo

this guy?

http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/images/2/j/4/l/r/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.2j4l3.png/1367894993467.jpg

[pv4]

Milligan does the exact same things as Caravan. But probably earns 20x as much coin for it. Caravan is a perfect squad player/ugly option.. all good teams have them.

completely agree

[Jeterpool]

imagine a world without the foz

http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4scn5zLm91qztjn5o1_r1_500.jpg

:lol:

[GazFish35]

Milligan moves the ball faster IMO.


Keep cara. He really is the only one who I don't cringe in fear when he's reviving a pass expecting his first touch to be worse than mine.

[parksey]

yeah carra is decent enough but milligan is on a whole other level

[Jeterpool]

I'm also on the retaining Caravella side. I think he adds more to the team than Jacob Pepper, to who anyone who listens to th pod will know, who I struggle to see what he adds to the side.

Ill mention my thoughts on the welsh/pepper screening roles this week. At least caravella puts in a bloody tackle

[plague]

Maradona passed the torch to Zidane who passed it to Iniesta.

Everyone else is just gravy.

[MFKS]

Maradona passed the torch to Zidane who passed it to Iniesta.

Everyone else is just gravy.
Like to see you talk your way out of not including Griff here.

Floors yours buddy

[plague]

Like to see you talk your way out of not including Griff here.

Floors yours buddy

My bad.
I just assumed we were talking about footballers,

Not deities.

[GazFish35]

I'll assume that's why you left Henry out too.

[plague]

I'll assume that's why you left Henry out too.

geez mate. im sure Charlie Henry had his qualities but to put him in the Griff category is a bit much.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Charlie_Henry_10-03-12.png

[The Dunster]

I probably should get some of my crew on here for balance !

They don't have access to the foz at daycare ?

[parksey]

leave robbo alone