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Absolute ****ing sham that they want questions etc early in advance.
Let the people speak their ****ing minds and let it be a reflection on what we think.
Not what others think we should think
Looks like a rort already
furns
04-06-2015, 09:28 PM
There will be an open question section as far as I am aware
So not all the questions will be presubmitted. I think its just an easier way to see what the general topics and questions everyone wants answered rather than people getting up and repeating questions in a slightly different way.
There will be an open question section as far as I am aware
So not all the questions will be presubmitted. I think its just an easier way to see what the general topics and questions everyone wants answered rather than people getting up and repeating questions in a slightly different way.
Maybe someone should bring up the communication aspect of the club interacting with their fans needing to improve.
If there is questions from the floor spell it out.
The way they have presented it has no mention of it at all and it appears pre sanctioned questions and topics only. Shame if someone smarter than me has a good idea and it never gets heard as we are sitting through topics that really aren't important or should be addressed quickly
They wonder why people go off half cocked and it could be easily avoided by presenting the information in a way people are fully aware of what they are conveying
Couscous
04-06-2015, 10:05 PM
It's commonsense to set aside part of the forum to pre-submitted questions. It allows a broad range of questions to be responded to.
If you don't do this, the event can be derailed by persistent/repetitive questioning focusing on one or a small number of issues, leaving many members' concerns unvoiced.
tha_hauss
05-06-2015, 11:44 AM
So the forum goes for 2 hours? People submit questions? I thought this was about having a say, not about asking them what their opinion was. I want them to listen, not speak. The thing on the website makes it clear that all questions have to be pre-registered. "If you would like to ask a question at the forum, please register it below under the appropriate theme." No registration, no question.
Derailment could be easily solved by giving a person a maximum of 2 minutes to speak at which time they will hear a bell and have 15 seconds to sum up their point, then move on.
The thing that will leave many members' concerns unvoiced is the capping of the meeting to 2 hours, which is an unnecessary restriction. Why can't they stay until midnight if they have to? Are we in a business as usual situation? 2 ****ing Hours??? Is that all we are worth?
Let people have a say in an orderly fashion. It if is the same thing time and again in different ways, then maybe the club will get the hint that this is important to people.
I think I'll stay away from this meeting. It might frustrate me too much to attend.
Jeterpool
05-06-2015, 11:58 AM
If questions are pre-submitted, doesn't this allow the club to prepare responses so people can get answers? Doing so will allow more time for expansion and follow up questions. Realistically, there will be common themes that come up during the night. I want as many questions asked as we can and this may be a medium with which it is achieved.
I actually want them to speak. I want to hear what they have planned and what is in the works. It can't be them sitting up on a stage just copping a barrage of abuse.
I'm heading into this with an open mind and have asked a number of questions on the registration form. I'm going to adjust my approach to suit how the club and FFA choose to run their forum so that my point is made.
Jeterpool
05-06-2015, 12:03 PM
The thing that will leave many members' concerns unvoiced is the capping of the meeting to 2 hours, which is an unnecessary restriction. Why can't they stay until midnight if they have to? Are we in a business as usual situation? 2 ****ing Hours??? Is that all we are worth?
Let people have a say in an orderly fashion. It if is the same thing time and again in different ways, then maybe the club will get the hint that this is important to people.
I think I'll stay away from this meeting. It might frustrate me too much to attend.
The sub-committee met on Wednesday with the club. To address your first concern I specifically requested the club raise the risk with the FFA that one forum for members may not be enough and that preparation should be made to hold additional forums if needed. They said they would. This was in addition to other suggestions about the structure and locations of the forums.
You have some excellent ideas. For you to stay away would be a shame. Frustration shows you care and this is an opportunity to help initiate change.
tha_hauss
05-06-2015, 12:09 PM
The sub-committee met on Wednesday with the club. To address your first concern I specifically requested the club raise the risk with the FFA that one forum for members may not be enough and that preparation should be made to hold additional forums if needed. They said they would. This was in addition to other suggestions about the structure and locations of the forums.
You have some excellent ideas. For you to stay away would be a shame. Frustration shows you care and this is an opportunity to help initiate change.
No, its not my ideas that I care about. I don't want to stand up in front of people. My ideas should stand or fall on their own as presented on here. If I were going, I would just go to listen to others.
My concern is that other people get a say and are not corralled down a narrow path that restricts their engagement. This is what would frustrate me. If they have future meetings I might attend one of those. That would at least show that they are serious about it.
GazFish35
05-06-2015, 12:23 PM
An open ended forum with nothing but questions from the floor would be nothing but a whinge fest and very little contructive progress would come from it.
Pre-submitted questions will allow reasonsed and genuine responses.
I agree they should let it be know opne questions will occur.
tha_hauss
05-06-2015, 12:29 PM
If questions are pre-submitted, doesn't this allow the club to prepare responses so people can get answers? Doing so will allow more time for expansion and follow up questions. Realistically, there will be common themes that come up during the night. I want as many questions asked as we can and this may be a medium with which it is achieved..
Yes, but they should say that. Like any good meeting they should publish an agenda. We have to try an piece it together from a mishmash of comments:
The panel will be present to share key updates with Members, but it is the Members who will be encouraged by the moderator to offer their opinions and views.
Read more at http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/members-forum-help-shape-the-jets/1humnyz5ayi9jzz5gozucq3jq#jdj7IkVBSkkXLBLR.99
If you would like to ask a question at the forum, please register it below under the appropriate theme.
The two statements seem to contradict each other. I wouldn't like it if people thought they could ask a question on the night based on the first quote and then are told that if they wanted to speak they should have registered based on the second quote.
Just put out an agenda
6.00 to 6.30 Arrival
6.30 to 6.35 Introduction of the panel
6.35 to 6.45 Key updates on the club
6.45 to 7.15 Registered Questions - we will quickly read out and respond to registered questions
7.15 to 8.00 Open mic. Each person will be given 2 minutes to talk, at which time a bell will sound and they will have a further 15 seconds to sum up their point, if needed.
8.00 Meeting closed
This ends all confusion and stops any "Well the club said they will do this" type stuff. It gives people time to prepare. They have to work out how to make a point in under 2 minutes. It also shows that a maximum of 20 people will be able to have an open mic on the night.
tha_hauss
05-06-2015, 12:35 PM
An open ended forum with nothing but questions from the floor would be nothing but a whinge fest and very little contructive progress would come from it..
What is constructive progress? Isn't letting people speak about their club constructive progress? Furns, what happened at the Jets last supporter forum after I walked out? Was it a whinge fest or did people make constructive comments? I got the impression that there was some consensus, particularly over the coach travel.
GazFish35
05-06-2015, 02:12 PM
What is constructive progress? Isn't letting people speak about their club constructive progress? Furns, what happened at the Jets last supporter forum after I walked out? Was it a whinge fest or did people make constructive comments? I got the impression that there was some consensus, particularly over the coach travel.
I dont think we arguing against each other on this matter.
i agree with everything youve put forward, members should be able to voice there concerns, they should be able to do it on the night.
my point is that without pre-submitted questions - the night has the potential to turn into an unconstructive one.
yes. fans voicing their frustrations and anger at what has gone on is constructive and things need to be vented and put out into the open, but for us all to build from the situtaion we are now in, we need to make sure the night isnt a two hour whinge fest and people repeating questions over and over. a littel structure and pre-sumbmitted questions can reduce ther chances of this happening.
i went to the WSW forum at Rooty Hill as I was working in MtDruitt at the time and questions from the floor were longwinded, agenda driven, and repetitive - i would hope this is not what happens for us.
i agree whole heartedly that an agenda as you have suggested should be forthcoming.
tha_hauss
05-06-2015, 02:21 PM
i went to the WSW forum at Rooty Hill as I was working in MtDruitt at the time and questions from the floor were longwinded, agenda driven, and repetitive - i would hope this is not what happens for us.
I don't think we are arguing against each other either. I am simply arguing for more clarity than what is currently offered.
The possibility of long winded, agenda driven comments would be curtailed by restricting each person to 2 minutes (with a 15 second summary so the windbags don't fluff their chance to hit the point they originally intended to make) AND by letting people know the process beforehand so they can prepare. It shouldn't be down to hope, it should be down to good organisation. I still think that 2 hours is too short though.
The FFA and the Club needn't supply answers in that part of the meeting, as it would just chew up time and prevent others from speaking. Just let people have their say and take note of it - active listening. Yes, if people want a specific question answered, register it. If they want to have a say without an answer, open mic. Take your pick or do both.
stopper2
05-06-2015, 02:29 PM
^^^^
On the points mentioned above, yes have a whinge and vent your frustrations at the past but also put up something constructive on what needs to be done to improve things in shaping the club for the future. This is what this Forum is about....the Future for the Newcastle Jets and I hope everyone who attends this meeting has this same agenda, otherwise don't bother wasting your own time and other people's time by taking up valuable speaking time.
Jetmaster
05-06-2015, 03:00 PM
Agreed...this is about the future for all members. Opening the floor would become a blamefest. FFA also have the right to be prepared. Nothing worse than asking questions and hear "we'll have to follow that up for you".
Also think of those that do not wish to speak publicly in front of an audience but have a serious question.
Just appreciate that this forum will be held...if it goes well there will be more I'm sure.
tha_hauss
05-06-2015, 03:09 PM
Opening the floor would become a blamefest.
How do you guys all know this? OK, I concede the point about registering questions but I find it incredible that we are so willing to prevent or restrict an "opening to the floor". Sure, I know many Jets supporters who are windbags but I would trust most of them to speak in the best interests of the club. Just let em at it. I trust them and should I be proven wrong, so be it.
Hunter403
05-06-2015, 04:34 PM
I will be there.
plague
05-06-2015, 05:15 PM
Shame if someone smarter than me has a good idea
i dunno, lets ask them and find out
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q-money
05-06-2015, 05:16 PM
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plague
05-06-2015, 05:18 PM
soz Member.
idontwannaplaywithhowey
05-06-2015, 05:32 PM
I think they are spot on with pre submitted questions. If members want some answers to their concerns and some research to be undertaken to answer their questions then pre submission is a good way for this to be achieved. If members wish to get on their soap box then an open slather forum is the go.
Jetmaster
06-06-2015, 04:36 AM
How do you guys all know this? OK, I concede the point about registering questions but I find it incredible that we are so willing to prevent or restrict an "opening to the floor". Sure, I know many Jets supporters who are windbags but I would trust most of them to speak in the best interests of the club. Just let em at it. I trust them and should I be proven wrong, so be it.
I've chaired similar scenarios in various workplaces. Following such a turbulent and emotional period people feel they had no control and want to vent....simple human nature. I would guarantee the majority of open slather comments would just highlight a past issue, pointout a scapegoat and offer no solution.
Once the peanut gallery chip in a two minute question can escalate to 10 mins.
If questions are pre-submitted, doesn't this allow the club to prepare responses so people can get answers? Doing so will allow more time for expansion and follow up questions. Realistically, there will be common themes that come up during the night. I want as many questions asked as we can and this may be a medium with which it is achieved.
I actually want them to speak. I want to hear what they have planned and what is in the works. It can't be them sitting up on a stage just copping a barrage of abuse.
I'm heading into this with an open mind and have asked a number of questions on the registration form. I'm going to adjust my approach to suit how the club and FFA choose to run their forum so that my point is made.
I totally disagree that the Forum is an opportunity for US to listen to THEM.
If they wish to communicate with us call a press conference and get the word out via NBN Newy Herald Fox Sports SBS Social Media etc.
Either that or Gallop can email us all like he does every other week with FFA spam anyways
Reality is the FFA have plenty of methods to COMMUNICATE with US. If this is just gonna be a meeting where they sit up on stage and tell us how it will be why call it a FAN FORUM??
As for them needing time to pre prepare answers. My question is why??
They will be making the decisions on our behalf whether we like it or not. I would also offer that most of these decisions are already made already and **** all we say or do will change them.
The other aspect to this is the questions we ask should not be taking preparation time for a response. It isn't a share holders meeting where the board need to research as to why a Multi National Company blew $8.26 million in West Papua in a failed pursuit and the reasons why.
The FFA should be knowing HOW they are going to be running the club and if they don't GOD HELP US
Any queries on the Tinkler reign financials and logistics should be being palmed off anyway on confidentiality grounds(ie they know but can't divulge to the public) or are for Tinkler to answer and not them.
The fact it is a 2 hour meeting on one night and that appears all we are getting does not impress me. It impresses me even less that the meeting will be dictated by the chosen questions.
There are some issues here that I feel are important and need to be heard. There is no guarantee they will be with the model we have been given when the ones with power choose the questions and can put questions they don't wish to deal with in the bin and fill the night up with talking about shit that isn't that important
GazFish35
06-06-2015, 09:04 AM
submit them through the method the club requested, give them the chance to answer them. If they don't, ask them on the night, if that doesn't happen, pass them on to us and we will ask them through the sub-committee.
Just don't not ask the question based on the assumption they won't answer.
Out of interest, what do you want ask?
Jetmaster
06-06-2015, 10:41 AM
submit them through the method the club requested, give them the chance to answer them. If they don't, ask them on the night, if that doesn't happen, pass them on to us and we will ask them through the sub-committee.
Just don't not ask the question based on the assumption they won't answer.
Out of interest, what do you want ask?
Well said.
submit them through the method the club requested, give them the chance to answer them. If they don't, ask them on the night, if that doesn't happen, pass them on to us and we will ask them through the sub-committee.
Just don't not ask the question based on the assumption they won't answer.
Out of interest, what do you want ask?
Ok now this question perplexes me.
I have thoughts on a subject but actually expressing the thing is a bit of an issue. Whether what I have on my mind is a question I don’t believe but more so a statement of an opinion.
I though don’t believe it is for the sub committee or even the Newcastle Jets Club but more so to be aimed at the FFA.
To explain it I will start forgive the rambling as I am basically expressing it and developing it in context as it goes.
A lot of the issues that have been raised to me are of not that great an importance. Colours Community Engagement etc. Not knocking them as they do have merits but the only issue I really see worthy of discussing at this point in time is our FUTURE ownership structure.
Newy Football has a long and distinguished history of ****ing up our football clubs due to our ownership structure and management of clubs.
We have constantly shot ourselves in the foot by our inability to get our ownership structure right.
I think we all agree the one rich man bankrolling it is a disaster waiting to happen after Tinkler/Con/ David Hall etc
Whilst ever the money is available she will work to an extent but the inevitable will happen.
As for foreign ownership. No issue with a foreign interest having some ownership. The amount of it though should always be limited to a certain percent.
Northern Spirit in the NSL is a classic example of what goes wrong. Even bankrolled by a well known international club in Glasgow Rangers eventually the money runs out. The situation in Brisbane is also another concern as the Bakrie group have had financial issues and as a result the owners have tightened the noose at the club. Melburn Heart may well be enjoying the interest of Man City investment group at present but what happens in 3-4 years when the owner just sees himself pissing money into a black hole as the excitement and interest wanes??
As for Thompson I have some severe concerns about him being given the 100% control of the club. How he has worked things at Dundee Utd will not work here. We have massive financial costs to run a HAL Club and even his management techniques applied here will not stop the financial losses completely. They may well reduce the deficit but he will have to rely on selling players. Problem is that is not a sustainable model for success
Until the FFA address the Ownership issues of clubs with a diverse group of investors (Multiple owners like 5-6 of them) the situation of instability with ownership will not be resolved.
Central to this I feel fan ownership is an area the FFA need to embrace ASAP.
I feel they missed a chance with the WSW bandwagon they had going to set an example.
A problem I see with our current ownership structures is that we are basically a franchise and not a CLUB. This needs to be addressed.
Last season saw terrible on field and off field issues afflict our club and it leaves the fans with a position of hopelessness and futility. We have absolutely no say at all in changing anything at our club. If the issues with Tinkler and cash issue hadn’t of transpired lets face it we are ponying up next season with Muppet and 4k of Members and more of the same. It is fortune rather than anything else that has seen our plight reversed.
Buying control of the club is an option but the costs involved make it prohibitive. The costs to run a club in this country are a ****ing joke and need addressing. The fact that only one club makes a profit and 9 other clubs run at losses in the millions of $$ is a structural issue to do with the game and league that needs addressing from the FFA urgently.
The fans buying an interest in the club though has so many positives.
Firstly the financial aspects of the club are then public knowledge and not a hidden secret.
Secondly it allows for accountability. Our club under a 1 man owner has had no need to be accountable to anyone. The fans interests and thoughts then have an avenue to be respected
Thirdly it then allows fans to have a legitimate say in the club. We may well be referred to as members but we are not members. It is just a fancy term for season ticket holder.
Every other football club in the Hunter region operates on a democracy situation. You wish to run the club put your hand up and run it. You don’t do it well your peers vote you out.
In my wallet I have half a dozen registered club Memberships. With these I can as a Member use the facilities, run for the board vote for the board etc.
I would like to have this to be part of my Football Club. Clubs in the NSL like Melbourne Knights South Melbourne Sydney Olympic etc operate under these structures.
I wish that we actually became a club and not a franchise where Membership actually provides a say in the club.
As for money quite frankly I am more than prepared to open my wallet and contribute to this. I fail to see why we can not raise our Membership fees and actually turn it into a true Membership not a season ticket.
10000k Members increase their Membership fees at $100 a head and that gives you $1 million a season. That is more than plenty to fund a fan ownership model to give a decent percentage to get it off the ground. In time the Fans Co Op should look at increasing stake
The FFA have it in their power to embrace the only true OWNER of the Newcastle Jets. Not some fat **** in Singapore or whoever is picking up the tab. Embrace the one true owner of the club the only one who will NEVER SURRENDER on the them .
That be US the FANS
It needs to be made to happen.
GazFish35
06-06-2015, 12:49 PM
It's a great concern..... One many share and discussions are happening... The more who raise it with the FFA and club as an issue the more likely it is to be taken Seriously...
So ask them....
What ownership structures are being investigated beyond the current models being used in the league... Models that clearly are not viable long term... Do you, the FFA realize the massive potential positives involved in a part fan ownership model? As a matter of urgency can you the FFA start investigating these possibilities as an owenersship structure for our club. Please contact me if you'd like more details... Signed Mfks
furns
06-06-2015, 12:53 PM
Or even refer them to the New Dawn article on the front page of this website. Which basically calls for what you said.
It's a great concern..... One many share and discussions are happening... The more who raise it with the FFA and club as an issue the more likely it is to be taken Seriously...
So ask them....
What ownership structures are being investigated beyond the current models being used in the league... Models that clearly are not viable long term... Do you, the FFA realize the massive potential positives involved in a part fan ownership model? As a matter of urgency can you the FFA start investigating these possibilities as an owenersship structure for our club. Please contact me if you'd like more details... Signed Mfks
I don't so much think it is a question though.
I feel the FFA's stance is not towards this model judging by their complete reluctance to embrace it on the past. If they were ever gonna embrace it when WSW were up for sale the opportunity was there and they chose not to even touch it.
Asking them their opinions on ownership structures I do feel will be pointless.
I would expect them to start up and answer the question and touch on it in a general way and distancing themselves by pointing out reasons why it may not work to discredit it add in a couple of clichés and they will have answered the question and basically fobbed it off and shot it down.
I Feel it is better given to them as an opinion for them to take on board.
I believe they will need some massive convincing to change their thoughts and reverse their position on Fan Ownership.
I also believe that if a proposal was put to them of fans getting even a 10% stake in the club and them agreeing to it is at about 1000-1 regardless of what people think on the matter and what we as fans are prepared to do regardless of how professional a plan we had
GazFish35
06-06-2015, 03:10 PM
Sweet. So give up on it. Keep talking about on the internet and keep being frustrated that nothing changes.
Assume nothing ever changes.
Make no action towards change based on that assumption.
Keep assuming nothing changes.
It's a new dawn.
we've got no owner, there's no con doing things his way. There's no Nathan doing things his way.
We have no owner, we have the FFA asking us what we want our club to look like, we are about to have forums with the current CEO and head of the a-league present, they are askng us for input. Let's not waste this chance by assuming they won't listen.
Be loud, be proud, be heard. It could be the making of us.
furns
06-06-2015, 03:30 PM
I for one will be quite forward in my view that we simply HAVE to have a partial stake in the ownership of the club going forward.
plague
06-06-2015, 04:57 PM
Member you kind of sound like you want it all done your way yet you want the FFA to do it all for you.
life don't work like that.
Besides I don't ever want to see the day when you're happy about anything.
The Foz would lose some of its lustre.
Much better when you're hating 24/7.
Member you kind of sound like you want it all done your way yet you want the FFA to do it all for you.
life don't work like that.
Besides I don't ever want to see the day when you're happy about anything.
The Foz would lose some of its lustre.
Much better when you're hating 24/7.
Why wouldn't I want things done my way??
They would at least be done right :rof:
Probably a case of a bit of realistic pessimism about it being a glass is half empty guy.
I expect a lot of it just to be lip service from the FFA.
The decisions that are to be made will not be made by the fans but by them.
Hopefully we can get some of our ideas through and implemented. I just ain't holding my breath that a lot will be implemented by them that they were not planning on doing anyway or will change what they already had planned cause we raised another solution
baldrick
06-06-2015, 06:28 PM
I totally disagree that the Forum is an opportunity for US to listen to THEM.
If they wish to communicate with us call a press conference and get the word out via NBN Newy Herald Fox Sports SBS Social Media etc.
Either that or Gallop can email us all like he does every other week with FFA spam anyways
Seriously ????
You'd rather hear about what's happening with the club via an email ?
This is the opportunity to hear what is happening directly from the horses mouth.
Give me a face to face meeting anytime.
The forum should be a two way street. This is now a "team" effort to turn this around and we're all part of the solution.
supporter ownership = too many cooks. nice to have a say to improve game day experiences or give opinion BUT when the ass starts falling out and team is losing, fans will be blueing each other or we'll be calling for new coach after every loss. would be good value to watch
Seriously ????
You'd rather hear about what's happening with the club via an email ?
This is the opportunity to hear what is happening directly from the horses mouth.
Give me a face to face meeting anytime.
The forum should be a two way street. This is now a "team" effort to turn this around and we're all part of the solution.
No its not that I want them to send us an email.
I just don't think a fan forum is the place for them to run their mouths telling us how it is and the fans listening.
To me its the other way around
The fan with an opinion runs their mouths and EVERYONE there listens
If the FFA wish to communicate with us don't call it a Fan Forum call it an info night with updates on the situation of the club.
They are representing it as something completely different if it is just gonna be the FFA up running through what they are doing and
the fans are just there to be TOLD
GazFish35
06-06-2015, 08:41 PM
But we aren't just there to be told.
We are encouraged to submit questions.
But we aren't just there to be told.
We are encouraged to submit questions.
yep, submitted questions gives the club a chance to give a substantial reply.
Jeterpool
06-06-2015, 10:06 PM
Member, when I said I want them to talk I didn't mean the whole time. I meant they talk as well as us. It's a forum, not a lecture.
If is is put the words "as well" in my post I reckon I could have spared the whole afternoon of debate.
Member, when I said I want them to talk I didn't mean the whole time. I meant they talk as well as us. It's a forum, not a lecture.
If is is put the words "as well" in my post I reckon I could have spared the whole afternoon of debate.
Let that be a lesson to you to include "as well" in all future posts from you then :rof:
baldrick
07-06-2015, 12:35 PM
No its not that I want them to send us an email.
I just don't think a fan forum is the place for them to run their mouths telling us how it is and the fans listening.
To me its the other way around
The fan with an opinion runs their mouths and EVERYONE there listens
If the FFA wish to communicate with us don't call it a Fan Forum call it an info night with updates on the situation of the club.
They are representing it as something completely different if it is just gonna be the FFA up running through what they are doing and
the fans are just there to be TOLD
Have you even read the invitation email ?
1100
"The panel will be present to share key updates with members but it is the members who will be encouraged by the moderator to offer their opinions and views"
Have you even read the invitation email ?
1100
"The panel will be present to share key updates with members but it is the members who will be encouraged by the moderator to offer their opinions and views"
No mention of half of that stuff in the info they realised via social media and website links associated with it
the FFA has already fixed 2 of the biggest fkups ever by ousting those 2 jerks.
I cant see us having a say in the next 2 either that being the new coach and player recruitment which will decide whether the club is worth following or not.
The rest eg card thickness, colour of undies, music to be played can be sorted out by the mong brigade in heated arguments
stopper2
07-06-2015, 07:39 PM
Seem to be getting sidetracked about what the Member's Forum should be about fellas (getting sidetracked on the Foz, now that's a first!!!).....but seriously I fully agree with our MemberFKS, the key component in the new ownership model MUST have paying Members who have a voice in the future direction and decision-making which effects the club.
You can talk about connecting with the community and all the other jargon being put forth but the best way of connecting is if Novocastrians truly feel part of the club.....not a franchise and the only way to achieve this is as suggested by being true Members....not just "season ticket holders".
This is what needs to be the main focus, we don't get this in place, we will just be repeating the same mistakes over and over again in regards to ownership.
GazFish35
08-06-2015, 08:35 AM
Anyone reckon full fan ownership is an option?
15k members paying $10 weekly would generate 7.8million.
Anyone reckon full fan ownership is an option?
15k members paying $10 weekly would generate 7.8million.
Probably not
First up the issue is getting the 15k there you talk about. Until we get a winning team and what not we ain't getting 15k rusted on support.
Next issue is getting people to open their wallets.
Plenty of people may say they will. When push comes to shove though I doubt the amount who promised will back it up with action.
You will find some people who will happily pay more than the nominated amount. I WOULD
Sticking to a smaller percentage and building it up over time would be the best model
stopper2
08-06-2015, 10:24 AM
^^^^
If you consider that many of the current 10,000 Season ticket holders are children than realistically I reckon if we were to initially get 5,000 Members that would be a decent starting point. If the Membership fee is $100 then I can't see too many families of four after getting season tickets, also forking out another $400 on top of that so that the whole family can be Members also.
Gaz's idea is worth pursuing though, like Union fees the total amount as a lump sum seems a lot but when it is deducted weekly you don't even notice it. $10/week = $500/year I would be 100% for that idea!!!
plague
08-06-2015, 10:51 AM
Thought I read somewhere that the Dundee dude was looking for local business to invest $500,000 per year essentially to lose it operating the football club.
I assume that's on top of the money he's already prepared to lose and outside of his projected revenues.
As many have said we've already cheap as chips season tix there is wiggle room to contribute more.
So why not see if the fans will put in a portion of that amount over and above the regular season ticket cost. then the onus on local businesses would maybe be more palatable.
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If you consider that many of the current 10,000 Season ticket holders are children than realistically I reckon if we were to initially get 5,000 Members that would be a decent starting point. If the Membership fee is $100 then I can't see too many families of four after getting season tickets, also forking out another $400 on top of that so that the whole family can be Members also.
Gaz's idea is worth pursuing though, like Union fees the total amount as a lump sum seems a lot but when it is deducted weekly you don't even notice it. $10/week = $500/year I would be 100% for that idea!!!
Issue is Stopper.
Blokes like me and you and the likes on here are pretty rusted on with our support of the club.
The back end of last season showed our real support. We were down to the 4-5k mark with people just not giving a ****. I would also think that of the lot turning up some of them were only showing as they had paid their money and were just making use of it instead of walking away with nothing. How many of those 4-5k who were showing and were not gonna renew with Tinks and Muppet is now a mystery due to the reversal of ownership
People on here also comprehend the need for this model. I would also offer that a large part of our membership base are not as clued up as the intelligence found here.
Just go read facebook posts from some of our fans to get an idea the general levels of IQ some of our fans have.
Thought I read somewhere that the Dundee dude was looking for local business to invest $500,000 per year essentially to lose it operating the football club.
I assume that's on top of the money he's already prepared to lose and outside of his projected revenues.
As many have said we've already cheap as chips season tix there is wiggle room to contribute more.
So why not see if the fans will put in a portion of that amount over and above the regular season ticket cost. then the onus on local businesses would maybe be more palatable.
Plague remember you bringing something up about you running a business and dealing with Jets in the past re sponsorship enquiry and not getting much value from them.
Out of curiosity from your perspective as a legendary business owner what exactly would you be prepared to contribute and what exactly are you wanting to get from a return point of view from the club for your $$
Not after you to commit just trying to get a perspective on why local business contributes little and what could be done to get them to contribute more
plague
08-06-2015, 11:28 AM
Plague remember you bringing something up about you running a business and dealing with Jets in the past re sponsorship enquiry and not getting much value from them.
Out of curiosity from your perspective as a legendary business owner what exactly would you be prepared to contribute and what exactly are you wanting to get from a return point of view from the club for your $$
Not after you to commit just trying to get a perspective on why local business contributes little and what could be done to get them to contribute more
Good question Member.
My point here was essentially about paying more for season tickets to help Dundee man cover his $500k. No equity, no ownership, just normal membership rights. Pretty much as you and others have said before.
I maintain that having a public owned club is a massive can of worms that none of us are anywhere near getting to the bottom of. If you are asking John Q Public for coin they generally want more value for money than ownership would be willing to give them.
People in business tend to look bigger picture and would be prepared to lose money in the short term if the long term goal is achievable. The public would want a better return on their money faster. There's nothing wrong with that train of thought either. But trying to fit ALL of those factors in would be difficult especially in the short term.
For now id love to see someone like Dundee man come in, cover his losses with the help of local business and members, then long term have a goal to stabilise the club then maybe explore selling off equity in the club to other investors including the public.
Also id love to see someone present to FFA/Dundee man a model of public ownership. A proper business plan fully costed. This would involve 'someone' paying for lawyers/accountants/advisors up front in the hope of it getting accepted. But that's how business works. Waiting for the FFA to come to us isn't going to work.
As for your last point. I've mentioned before I've tried to get involved in both the Tinkler and Con regimes through 3rd party stuff as well as corporate stuff and both times the actions of staff at the Jets has been sub standard to say the least.
Not returning phone calls, treating people like shit etc etc.
I'm very annonymous within the circle jerk of local business people so I probably didn't seem worth it to the people selling sponsorships. But last time I looked I'd done ok for myself and my money was as good as anyone else's but they didn't want it.
The whole organisation needed a smack in the face from top down for the way they treated the business and public. Maybe if Dundee dudes peeps return phone calls I might try again.
Guess we'll see.
plague
08-06-2015, 11:35 AM
Out of curiosity from your perspective as a legendary business owner what exactly would you be prepared to contribute and what exactly are you wanting to get from a return point of view from the club for your $$
Oh don't worry, the fact I'm not a 'legendary business owner' is one of the reasons people don't return calls.
Ok as for specifics, they used to have a 'sponsor the players' thing where your business got a plug when the teams were introduced on the big screen. You also got tickets and bullshit like that.
From memory we applied for Griff, Tarek and I think Jacob Pepper. I think the cost was somewhere from $1,000 to $5,000 depending who you got.
Anyway I'd had a few phone calls and wasn't all that bothered by what exposure the business got I just felt it was a cool thing to do. Anyway they didn't end up confirming anything with me, and I stopped chasing them.
Then on game one up on the big screen at least 4 players had no sponsors and others were token companies associated with the owner.
Mrs Plague and I had a hearty chuckle and had a lovely holiday in Japan instead.
Wilso8948
08-06-2015, 11:51 AM
Oh don't worry, the fact I'm not a 'legendary business owner' is one of the reasons people don't return calls.
Ok as for specifics, they used to have a 'sponsor the players' thing where your business got a plug when the teams were introduced on the big screen. You also got tickets and bullshit like that.
From memory we applied for Griff, Tarek and I think Jacob Pepper. I think the cost was somewhere from $1,000 to $5,000 depending who you got.
Anyway I'd had a few phone calls and wasn't all that bothered by what exposure the business got I just felt it was a cool thing to do. Anyway they didn't end up confirming anything with me, and I stopped chasing them.
Then on game one up on the big screen at least 4 players had no sponsors and others were token companies associated with the owner.
Mrs Plague and I had a hearty chuckle and had a lovely holiday in Japan instead.
I'm no expert in business but surely something as simple as this can be fixed. A shoutout on the big screen and said player to do some promo work during the week isn't exactly rocket science is it.. It's a shame when you hear about the club dropping the ball on these things. You see it with the knights boys taking happy snaps at their local cafe with a shoutout on Instagram. Simple exposure for return really isn't it
plague
08-06-2015, 12:13 PM
All it is, from the top down, is customer service.
That's what we are all after.
From ticket sales, membership enquiries, on field effort, interactions with the fans and media, ground security, we all want our club to give us something back for what we invest, and that doesn't always mean just money or material things.
Making people happy with a good performance, or a polite security, or players saying g'day to kids on the street or a photo etc means a hell of a lot to a lot of people.
Sadly that whole culture has been missing from our club for a long long time.
stopper2
08-06-2015, 03:07 PM
All it is, from the top down, is customer service.
That's what we are all after.
From ticket sales, membership enquiries, on field effort, interactions with the fans and media, ground security, we all want our club to give us something back for what we invest, and that doesn't always mean just money or material things.
Making people happy with a good performance, or a polite security, or players saying g'day to kids on the street or a photo etc means a hell of a lot to a lot of people.
Sadly that whole culture has been missing from our club for a long long time.
Well we had a bloke here called Marcos Flores who done that extra bit and then some to connect with the community, whether it was kicking a ball around at the local park with a bunch of kids or getting involved with a local Charity fundraiser....and look what happened to him.
The fact that he was here for such a short time but attracted 150-200 people for his farewell at Lambton Park speaks volumes of the man.
Oh don't worry, the fact I'm not a 'legendary business owner' is one of the reasons people don't return calls.
Ok as for specifics, they used to have a 'sponsor the players' thing where your business got a plug when the teams were introduced on the big screen. You also got tickets and bullshit like that.
From memory we applied for Griff, Tarek and I think Jacob Pepper. I think the cost was somewhere from $1,000 to $5,000 depending who you got.
Anyway I'd had a few phone calls and wasn't all that bothered by what exposure the business got I just felt it was a cool thing to do. Anyway they didn't end up confirming anything with me, and I stopped chasing them.
Then on game one up on the big screen at least 4 players had no sponsors and others were token companies associated with the owner.
Mrs Plague and I had a hearty chuckle and had a lovely holiday in Japan instead.
It does concern me this business forum that is going on before the fans ones could also be missing the mark.
Just connecting with the big end of town although is important why is it a select bunch??
Shouldn't we be connecting with anyone in business that wants to get involved??
Surely blokes like Plague should be allowed to come if they want?? Not being a legendary business owner in Newy should not mean your not allowed to join in.
On another note you look at the local NPL clubs and see the wide range of sponsors they dig up in their program. Makes you wonder how an organisation like the Jets can not get themselves 1000 local businesses chipping in 1k each a year.
Would sure break the back of a lot of their financial issues and I severely doubt the businesses of the Hunter would not have 1k a year they could not be enticed to cough up not to mention finding 1000 of them would not be an impossible task
Youre not suggesting that "jobs for the boys" be thrown out :O
plague
09-06-2015, 09:56 AM
It does concern me this business forum that is going on before the fans ones could also be missing the mark.
Just connecting with the big end of town although is important why is it a select bunch??
Shouldn't we be connecting with anyone in business that wants to get involved??
Surely blokes like Plague should be allowed to come if they want?? Not being a legendary business owner in Newy should not mean your not allowed to join in.
On another note you look at the local NPL clubs and see the wide range of sponsors they dig up in their program. Makes you wonder how an organisation like the Jets can not get themselves 1000 local businesses chipping in 1k each a year.
Would sure break the back of a lot of their financial issues and I severely doubt the businesses of the Hunter would not have 1k a year they could not be enticed to cough up not to mention finding 1000 of them would not be an impossible task
Great points.
That type of investment, whilst not a small amount of money, wouldn't be a huge deal to a lot of small businesses in the area.
And if they are anything like me, all they would want out of their investment was for the club to succeed and for the money to be spent wisely.
It would also have hundreds and hundreds of local businesses with a direct link to the Jets. If that enthusiasm extends to their staff and families then that's a lot of 'hearts and minds' pointing in the right direction.
But alas we seem to just want the big fish and ignore the rest.
FOOTBALL Federation Australia got the ball rolling on rebuilding the Newcastle Jets with a forum of business and community leaders on Wednesday.
FFA director, former Socceroo and proud Novocastrian Peter Tredinnick described it as an ‘‘historic night’’ and told the gathering that ‘‘if we get things right with the Jets, we will look back on this as a watershed moment’’.
Tredinnick, A-League boss Damien de Bohun, chief operating officer John Kelly and Northern NSW Football boss David Eland addressed about 50 invited guests at a function at the Duke of Wellington Hotel.
De Bohun said FFA was prepared to take its time in finding the right owner and right ownership model, despite a projected loss next season of $1million if the club continued on its current trajectory.
De Bohun said the Jets’ income from FFA grants, membership, ticketing, sponsorship and hospitality was $7million on a budget of $8million, which was itself below the median spend of other A-League clubs.
FFA took control of the Jets on May 20 after Nathan Tinkler placed the club into voluntary administration with debts of $14million.
Dundee United chairman Stephen Thompson has expressed interest in buying the Jets licence and was in Newcastle last week sounding out possible partners.
But de Bohun said Thompson was not the only prospective buyer and there were ‘‘five or six suitors who were very serious about being involved’’.
He also said that the door was open for an element of community ownership.
Wednesday night’s forum was the first of three to be conducted.
A meeting for Jets members from last season will be held at Panthers Newcastle next Thursday, starting at 6.30pm.
Members wanting to attend must register through the Jets website.
That will be followed by a Northern NSW Football community forum on Wednesday, June 24, which is aimed at a cross-section of the football community, including NNSW club and zone representatives, volunteers, coaches and match officials.
FFA followed a similar procedure before successfully establishing Western Sydney Wanderers and selling the licence for $10million.
Champions Melbourne Victory are the only A-League club to regularly post an annual profit, but de Bohun said revenue streams were projected to grow substantially.
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Jeterpool
11-06-2015, 10:13 AM
He also said that the door was open for an element of community ownership.
Well, well, well. While I wouldn't expect specific details to be available it is pleasing the read they are open to it.
Blackmac79
11-06-2015, 10:45 AM
Well, well, well. While I wouldn't expect specific details to be available it is pleasing the read they are open to it.
If only their was a group with existing legitimacy with the club who would be able to step up and expand their connection between the club and fans through a potential ownership group.
If only their was a group with existing legitimacy with the club who would be able to step up and expand their connection between the club and fans through a potential ownership group.
Who you have in mind???:rof:
Blackmac79
11-06-2015, 11:08 AM
Who you have in mind???:rof:
I was not obvious enough....
I don't think they are interested.
stopper2
11-06-2015, 11:09 AM
De Boyun: He also said that the door was open for an element of community ownership.
Well, well, well. While I wouldn't expect specific details to be available it is pleasing the read they are open to it.
Pretty obvious that the FFA really want the community to take on some ownership in the new Newcastle Jets.
The football community really needs to snap it's head out it's apathetic mentality and look at this as an opportunity to build a viable and sustainable club for decades to come and be part of a real football club not just a franchise.
We have a seemingly "re-active" cluture ingrained in our Novocastrian psyches where we wait for others to make things happen, rather than being pro-active and being masters of our own destiny.
I just hope there are enough like-minded people out there like the many on this forum who realise how it important having the community ownership as a key component of the new ownership structure.
GazFish35
11-06-2015, 11:21 AM
I was not obvious enough....
I don't think they are interested.
lets not talk in riddles, it only muddies the waters.
In regards to community ownership the sub-committee are very interested. yes. but dont feel we have the skills, depth of knowledge, time and abilities to admister it.
Put your plans on paper, present it to us so those amongst he group who would like more details have them, and I'll argue for you to attend the next meeting with the club to speak to issue.
I've said before the "legitimacy" the sub-committee has within the club does not mean community ownership models have to be started by the committee.
The support for the concept is most likely needed, and it exists.
Dont let our reluctance to take on something we know little details about (probably ensuring its failure) be the reason not to start it yourself.
Blackmac79
11-06-2015, 11:57 AM
lets not talk in riddles, it only muddies the waters.
In regards to community ownership the sub-committee are very interested. yes. but dont feel we have the skills, depth of knowledge, time and abilities to admister it.
Put your plans on paper, present it to us so those amongst he group who would like more details have them, and I'll argue for you to attend the next meeting with the club to speak to issue.
I've said before the "legitimacy" the sub-committee has within the club does not mean community ownership models have to be started by the committee.
The support for the concept is most likely needed, and it exists.
Dont let our reluctance to take on something we know little details about (probably ensuring its failure) be the reason not to start it yourself.
This being the most I have heard as response to what I had previously submitted through you, so it all well and good to say don't talk in riddles, however as I am in the dark myself, it is hard not to. Time is an issue. That will always be the case however when you are talking about fan ownership.
It takes more than an Individual. I have been down that road. It is far too easy to ignore for the club and the FFA. Now for the first time we have a group that would be hard to ignore, that has a foot in the door.
It involves fewer skills than you presume. And for those we don't have there are support structures in place.
The position of the committee within the club is the only thing that will ensure that this achieves its goal. The committee, it appears to me, have put their hand up to be our representatives. They have gained their position in the club, however they do not have a position within the fan base. Again another reason that the two things should not be separate. As far as I am aware there was only one influence of fan feedback for the selection of any member on the sub-committee (Excluding furns as the squadron rep), and that was me telling the club straight during the selection process that they would be daft not to select you.
A supporters Co-op, started through the committee, that in the future would elect their own representation instead of having the club select it for us, would see the legitimacy that you currently have expand to both sides of the equation.
Any form of fan ownership would need the goodwill of the FFA, seeing as the largest hurdle to any purchase would be the license fee, which the ffa would probaby have to waive as a goodwill gesture towards the community.
Don't take this as a slight against you gav, as I said I advocated for your selection, however I firmly believe that those that put their hand up for the committee have a responsibility to the rest of the supporter base to be more than they currently are.
Jeterpool
11-06-2015, 01:00 PM
This being the most I have heard as response to what I had previously submitted through you, so it all well and good to say don't talk in riddles, however as I am in the dark myself, it is hard not to. Time is an issue. That will always be the case however when you are talking about fan ownership.
It takes more than an Individual. I have been down that road. It is far too easy to ignore for the club and the FFA. Now for the first time we have a group that would be hard to ignore, that has a foot in the door.
It involves fewer skills than you presume. And for those we don't have there are support structures in place.
The position of the committee within the club is the only thing that will ensure that this achieves its goal. The committee, it appears to me, have put their hand up to be our representatives. They have gained their position in the club, however they do not have a position within the fan base. Again another reason that the two things should not be separate. As far as I am aware there was only one influence of fan feedback for the selection of any member on the sub-committee (Excluding furns as the squadron rep), and that was me telling the club straight during the selection process that they would be daft not to select you.
A supporters Co-op, started through the committee, that in the future would elect their own representation instead of having the club select it for us, would see the legitimacy that you currently have expand to both sides of the equation.
Any form of fan ownership would need the goodwill of the FFA, seeing as the largest hurdle to any purchase would be the license fee, which the ffa would probaby have to waive as a goodwill gesture towards the community.
Don't take this as a slight against you gav, as I said I advocated for your selection, however I firmly believe that those that put their hand up for the committee have a responsibility to the rest of the supporter base to be more than they currently are.
Firstly, I want the same overall goal as I believe you do - and that's a completive and successful Newcastle Jets.
I may be incorrect, but I interpret your post as you wanting the FFA to take the club down the lines of full community ownership. I didn't take that from what De Bohun reportedly said yesterday. I interpreted the word "element of community ownership" as being "part" ownership or a partial stake in the operation of the club.
At the moment, I agree with GazFish in so much as the skills required are unknown because the proposed models haven't been presented - which may change following next Thursday's meeting because some proposed structure may come forward.
You correctly point out the committee haven't been elected by the members. This hasn't been lost on us and has made up part of the considerations to the committees overall stance to support the concept of community ownership of the club. As for trying to connect with the fan base, this is again something that isn't lost on us and not for a lack of trying behind the scenes to get a level of engagement happening. Hopefully more will come from it soon.
What I don't understand is the relevance to the discussion of individuals who may not have received support from the members or fan base to their sub-committee appointment to the argument of the members forum or community ownership.
You say we have a responsibility to do more than what we are currently doing. My response, which is open to everyone, is:
* What do you think we are currently doing?
* What do you think we could be doing better? And
* What do you see as our role within the club? (Because how members/fans see our role and what the club see as our role may be different which is going to cause conflict).
For the record, there are many conversations going on between all committee members and the club on a regular basis, not simply at scheduled meetings.
GazFish35
11-06-2015, 07:02 PM
This being the most I have heard as response to what I had previously submitted through you, so it all well and good to say don't talk in riddles, however as I am in the dark myself, it is hard not to. Time is an issue. That will always be the case however when you are talking about fan ownership.
It takes more than an Individual. I have been down that road. It is far too easy to ignore for the club and the FFA. Now for the first time we have a group that would be hard to ignore, that has a foot in the door.
It involves fewer skills than you presume. And for those we don't have there are support structures in place.
The position of the committee within the club is the only thing that will ensure that this achieves its goal. The committee, it appears to me, have put their hand up to be our representatives. They have gained their position in the club, however they do not have a position within the fan base. Again another reason that the two things should not be separate. As far as I am aware there was only one influence of fan feedback for the selection of any member on the sub-committee (Excluding furns as the squadron rep), and that was me telling the club straight during the selection process that they would be daft not to select you.
A supporters Co-op, started through the committee, that in the future would elect their own representation instead of having the club select it for us, would see the legitimacy that you currently have expand to both sides of the equation.
Any form of fan ownership would need the goodwill of the FFA, seeing as the largest hurdle to any purchase would be the license fee, which the ffa would probaby have to waive as a goodwill gesture towards the community.
Don't take this as a slight against you gav, as I said I advocated for your selection, however I firmly believe that those that put their hand up for the committee have a responsibility to the rest of the supporter base to be more than they currently are.
You're not in the dark.
There's been no change from when I sent you text explaining what I've outlined above.
I understand it takes more than an individual, but as I've said before those on the committee don't feel that have the skills, depth of knowledge or time to commit to such an undertaking, but in Principle the group support the idea of community ownership. It's been advocated for.
If you want those wishing the sub-committee to pick up this ball and run with it, we need more details, if there's less work than we presume, educate us as to the processes involved so a moe informed decision can be made.
Agin though, I emphasize my strong belief that such a concept need not be born of the committee, if it were to start outside of the committee and be endorsed by the committee the club would listen. I've no doubt of that.
We have spoken briefly about committee structures and elected representatives etc but more pressing issues and the uncertainty caused have seen other things take precedence.
If you'd like to come to the next meeting and speak to the issue I'm more than happy to strongly request you be there.
WolfMan
12-06-2015, 07:58 PM
Anybody else think the announcement of new manager will be delayed until after next Thursday so we don't all bleat on about how disappointing it is at this forum??
Anybody else think the announcement of new manager will be delayed until after next Thursday so we don't all bleat on about how disappointing it is at this forum??
As opposed to now where we have the opportunity to moan that the ****s at the FFA are ****ing us over by dragging their finger with procrastination in not announcing the manager so we can actually get in the market for players??
Damned if they do damned if they don't
Jeterpool
18-06-2015, 02:30 PM
Member, do you have a banner ready for all Foz members to assemble under?
Member, do you have a banner ready for all Foz members to assemble under?
Only have one. 5Metres Long and it contains 4 words that I believe in and that the fools running our club meed to action
WolfMan
18-06-2015, 06:22 PM
Only have one. 5Metres Long and it contains 4 words that I believe in and that the fools running our club meed to action
Bring back the Griff?
Bring back the Griff?
You the ****ing man
joel31
18-06-2015, 07:38 PM
http://livestream.com/BliveStreaming/NewcastleJets
Hunter403
18-06-2015, 08:50 PM
Was supposed to be there tonight but illness prevented me. Can't get a decent feed on the live stream.
Can someone provide a post forum summary when they get a chance.
Was looking forward to meeting you angry b'stards tonight. Another time.
joel31
18-06-2015, 08:58 PM
Jets twitter feed (https://twitter.com/NewcastleJetsFC) has been posting some quotes from it
la bazzle
18-06-2015, 09:14 PM
No mention of Griff thus far??? Gaz whats the deal??
snake
18-06-2015, 09:15 PM
hi baz,
are we signing up this year now we've disposed of stubbins?
can't wait for pre-season :wub:
la bazzle
18-06-2015, 09:17 PM
hi baz,
are we signing up this year now we've disposed of stubbins?
can't wait for pre-season :wub:
Hi Snake :blush::blush:
I'm going to actually give them my current bank deets so they can go back to taking my money
We're back babayyyyy
Port Mac surely back on again?
la bazzle
18-06-2015, 09:18 PM
Finally ferns bring up the griff….not enough though.
snake
18-06-2015, 09:20 PM
just heard the violator is about to book an apartment for brisbane away :wub:
maybe sd can bring the pingaz?
la bazzle
18-06-2015, 09:21 PM
just heard the violator is about to book an apartment for brisbane away :wub:
maybe sd can bring the pingaz?
:wub::wub::wub::wub:
Awwww shiiiiiiit….time to ruin another spa
snake
18-06-2015, 09:24 PM
what is going on at this forum anyway?
la bazzle
18-06-2015, 09:25 PM
what is going on at this forum anyway?
Some old ducks talking at the mo…..just babbles about vision and mission statements and whiz. Lack of Griff talk is ridic. Big news though…..The jet hat dream is almost a reality with a jets shirt…. and even bigger a news……..a hornet will be doing a stadium fly by
snake
18-06-2015, 09:29 PM
lol jetshat
just win a few games ffs
snake
18-06-2015, 09:29 PM
and bring back nelly furtado
la bazzle
18-06-2015, 09:31 PM
and bring back nelly furtado
:wub:
Pretty sure she has some pics online these days. Will get back to you on that
la bazzle
18-06-2015, 09:32 PM
He just announced Port Mac preseason smooth operator
snake
18-06-2015, 09:33 PM
:fap::fap:
Buddha
18-06-2015, 09:45 PM
Some old ducks talking at the mo…..just babbles about vision and mission statements and whiz. Lack of Griff talk is ridic. Big news though…..The jet hat dream is almost a reality with a jets shirt…. and even bigger a news……..a hornet will be doing a stadium fly by
can confirm this has been in place for a while, it was something I mentioned to my hierarchy, timing etc needed to be right, plus some push by the actual Jets board whether they wanted it or not. 75% chance I may be in the back seat as well.
Mitchy
18-06-2015, 09:56 PM
He just announced Port Mac preseason smooth operator
:wub:
la bazzle
18-06-2015, 10:15 PM
Ps quality speech Gaz, shame they called you Gav though. Thought that was rude
q-money
18-06-2015, 10:20 PM
port Mac baybeeeeeee
q-money
18-06-2015, 10:21 PM
nelly furtado pics plz
la bazzle
18-06-2015, 10:25 PM
nelly furtado pics plz
1102
snake
18-06-2015, 10:29 PM
thx
q-money
18-06-2015, 10:29 PM
yesss man
Jetmaster
18-06-2015, 11:32 PM
Promising stuff tonight....really hope it gets followed through. Murphy impressed and showed alot of passion. Even let slip we are about to sign our second ever major sponsor!
Hunter403
18-06-2015, 11:44 PM
Promising stuff tonight....really hope it gets followed through. Murphy impressed and showed alot of passion. Even let slip we are about to sign our second ever major sponsor!
NIB should have been sponsoring us as majors for years. Newy born and should be plastered to the front of a Jets shirt. It's a disgrace that they aren't.
Grimario
19-06-2015, 12:41 AM
MEMBER (A member, not THE member): 'I'd like to see the coach and the players acknowledge the crowd after the game." #JetsMemberForum
Mitchell Murphy on @ScottGMiller: 'Respect for our fans has been missing. WE WILL embrace them following matches.' #JetsMemberForum
Good. When was the last time the team did a lap, engaged every corner of the stadium at the final whistle? Some players might but I don't recall it being an every game thing for a few seasons... and we know how quickly Stubbins used to scurry off down the tunnel like a rat.
GazFish35
19-06-2015, 01:58 AM
Ps quality speech Gaz, shame they called you Gav though. Thought that was rude
Thank you.
I'll bring up the correct pronunciation of my name in future meetings!
furns
19-06-2015, 02:11 AM
Finally ferns bring up the griff….not enough though.
Too much talk about visions and values, not enough plans being discussed for Griff The Redeemer statue overlooking Newy
GazFish35
19-06-2015, 02:16 AM
http://livestream.com/BliveStreaming/NewcastleJets
furns
19-06-2015, 02:22 AM
I apologize to those who watch - I have a face for radio
And my neck seems to have partially disappeared? :wtf:
plague
19-06-2015, 08:43 AM
NIB should have been sponsoring us as majors for years. Newy born and should be plastered to the front of a Jets shirt. It's a disgrace that they aren't.
are you an NIB customer?
MEMBER (A member, not THE member): 'I'd like to see the coach and the players acknowledge the crowd after the game." #JetsMemberForum
Mitchell Murphy on @ScottGMiller: 'Respect for our fans has been missing. WE WILL embrace them following matches.' #JetsMemberForum
Good. When was the last time the team did a lap, engaged every corner of the stadium at the final whistle? Some players might but I don't recall it being an every game thing for a few seasons... and we know how quickly Stubbins used to scurry off down the tunnel like a rat.
I thought this subject was totally ****ed last night.
You would swear our players never sign autographs pose for photos do charity community appointments etc.
Reality is the boys are out at the hospitals they do sign autographs after games (Carney aside :rof:)
Maybe the message isn't being portrayed back well enough??
The structures of how things are done and the clubs instructions to the players can be clearer but to say these blokes haven't is complete and utter shit.
Those players are down on the fences at FT signing Autographs posing for photos and are mingling with the people.
The stuff in the community does happen. Sure it can improve and be better and hopefully does but some of the stuff was complete and utter BULLSHIT and portrays the players incorrectly.
Premy
19-06-2015, 09:14 AM
I thought this subject was totally ****ed last night.
You would swear our players never sign autographs pose for photos do charity community appointments etc.
Reality is the boys are out at the hospitals they do sign autographs after games (Carney aside :rof:)
Maybe the message isn't being portrayed back well enough??
The structures of how things are done and the clubs instructions to the players can be clearer but to say these blokes haven't is complete and utter shit.
Those players are down on the fences at FT signing Autographs posing for photos and are mingling with the people.
The stuff in the community does happen. Sure it can improve and be better and hopefully does but some of the stuff was complete and utter BULLSHIT and portrays the players incorrectly.
Really?
Where were those players that care so much about the Club last night??
Rest my case.
WolfMan
19-06-2015, 09:29 AM
WRT your points there MFKS, I believe Murphy was talking more to the better structure of community engagements. And, whilst people shouldn't do charitable things for notoriety, it is important that members and the general public alike are aware of these happenings.
This can only harbour a feeling of goodwill toward the club from the community as a whole.
A sense of professionalism will hopefully be returned (or perhaps instilled for the first time) to our club.
Hunter403
19-06-2015, 09:58 AM
are you an NIB customer?
Yes. Old fashioned I know but I support locals (yes, I know they are listed and are no longer truly local). They even pay naming rights in Perth!
Jeterpool
19-06-2015, 10:07 AM
Not mentioned so far is De Bohun announced we are playing Melbourne Victory as our first home game in Rd 2
http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/di/library/Newcastle_Jets/82/be/jet-well_o9qg1orzjyubzzvrkfum50jv.jpg?t=844189634
http://transform.fairfaxregional.com.au/transform/v1/crop/frm/storypad-39CypURmWxuTZQLFGXhcEyS/419fff88-6ec3-466d-8195-51fb3b3d2b7c.jpg/r0_94_4724_2750_w1200_h678_fmax.jpg
http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/di/library/Newcastle_Jets/13/b7/jets-community-program-reaches-new-heights_00065008-leadimage.jpg?t=1131912535
Theres a couple of images I located off the Interwebs.
Whether the message is getting out there to everyone is the issue.
The players are down there signing autographs as the kids were always getting in the way and had to be taking into account when giving Muppet a spray after FT each game.
I also struggle to see why the players were required there last night.
Just as I struggled to understand why Miller and JPD were there.
If they were there they should have stayed for the whole lot and not ****ed off 15 mins into it.
Benny O can easily send them the video of the Forum if they wish to listen in to what was raised.
No one would begrudge the pair of them for not being there in light of the events that have transpired yesterday
Why they were there for 15 mins is confusing. Stay and it shows a commitment from them to us.
lquiquer
19-06-2015, 10:55 AM
No Marquee no honey
WolfMan
19-06-2015, 10:57 AM
I thought Miller and JP's attendance, even if only brief was very welcome. The first step in engaging the community as a whole, and not conducting their dealings behind closed doors.
Transparency was bandied about last night, and that comes with actions as well as words. Well done from me.
redwah
19-06-2015, 11:04 AM
If the jets want to improve there community involvement there are hundreds of junior games on every saturday at the moment. Why not get players from the first team, the womens, even the kids out there at grounds every Saturday sgowing there faces, handing out stickers to the kids, helping a coach or two. Yeah they may not be training but the full timers should be around. Get the new coach and board membets out there too.
Jeterpool
19-06-2015, 11:08 AM
I thought Miller and JP's attendance, even if only brief was very welcome. The first step in engaging the community as a whole, and not conducting their dealings behind closed doors.
Transparency was bandied about last night, and that comes with actions as well as words. Well done from me.
I agree. It was the chance to put them in front of us and give us an introduction. That showed us some respect.
What value would it have been keeping a bloke around who's feet haven't even got under the desk, so to speak? And were there players in attendance? I didn't see any.
Jeterpool
19-06-2015, 11:09 AM
If the jets want to improve there community involvement there are hundreds of junior games on every saturday at the moment. Why not get players from the first team, the womens, even the kids out there at grounds every Saturday sgowing there faces, handing out stickers to the kids, helping a coach or two. Yeah they may not be training but the full timers should be around. Get the new coach and board membets out there too.
Mitchell Murphy last night spoke about a strategy the club are developing to engage the local grass root clubs and the community. I expect this area of things will improve.
plague
19-06-2015, 11:12 AM
If the jets want to improve there community involvement there are hundreds of junior games on every saturday at the moment. Why not get players from the first team, the womens, even the kids out there at grounds every Saturday sgowing there faces, handing out stickers to the kids, helping a coach or two. Yeah they may not be training but the full timers should be around. Get the new coach and board membets out there too.
isn't that more an issue with NNSW and their relationship to the Jets (or lack thereof in the past).
I'm with Member, i dont think the players shirk their responsibilities to the fans. plenty of times they are more than happy for a chat out in the 'burbs.
i would like to see them more involved in the mainstream media in Newy. be it radio spots, tv posts, jets website. everything they seem to do is so staged and uninspiring. you only had to look at the way the Griff played the media that all of the players should be encouraged to let their personalities show, rather than the mindless media trained robots the clubs seem to want them to be.
being a bit of a smartarse and having a laugh is the Newy way. let em loose Benny Boy.
q-money
19-06-2015, 12:00 PM
ten bucks says that the gold strip with the jet on the front of it is the the kiffest strip we've ever had, even worse than last year's hideous training top
ten bucks says that the gold strip with the jet on the front of it is the the kiffest strip we've ever had, even worse than last year's hideous training top
?? Thought it was two separate kits not one
The one with the Jets on it is a one off effort. There was no mention of what colours it would be
The gold/white one is gonna be the away kit and other than the badge with the Jets on it I wouldn't be expecting much else Jet related on it.
I would envisage it would be more closer to our kit we wore when Griff scored the winning goal in the GF V Gypo Scum
GazFish35
19-06-2015, 02:52 PM
from what Murphy said last night
4 kits next season.
1. the new home kit..... not red and blue like the knights - but still in keeping with badge colours, but increase in gold, so Royal blue and Gold (with a little red), or Red and gold (with a little royal blue)
2. the new away kit..... similar design to new home kit, but "cleaner" so less small patches of other colours, predominetly white with gold
3. gold kit - for a "heriatge" game probably against the CCM .....a "one off" kit
4. RAAF kit with fighter jets on it (no such hats mentioned) ..... another "one off" kit
Kit 1, wont be mostly gold, otherwsie theres no need for Kit 3.
Premy
19-06-2015, 04:05 PM
I had a brief chat with David Elland last night just after the Forum (I must say after last night he gained a lot more respect from me) regarding the facility at Lake Mac housing.
He spoke in brief about them being unable to fence of the front grass field due to council restrictions thus rendering investment on that field impractical.
However he did touch on his desire to work with LMCC and LMCFC on making that venue a "Boutique type venue where the W-League and NYL teams could play and the seniors training venue. He said he had already spoken to LMCC about it and was willing to have the discussion with LMCFC but they have a new board in place and he was waiting for the right time to have the discussion.
I for one hope this could become a reality and I realize it will be difficult to come to an agreement where all the parties involved will be happy, but just the knowledge that things could be in motion to make this happen is exciting.
So Gaz is making a heartfelt belonging speech then all i can see is a walrus in the background. talk about larf. check it out at 45.
Trev has a decent point 0r 2 in his comment. Show us the winning product first. Lip service is always easy. It takes a bit of time to get over the years of bullshit that has been served up to fans. Dont expect 20k straight up. and fk the music and announcer right off
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3157105/miller-a-winner/?cs=306
stopper2
19-06-2015, 08:35 PM
I had a brief chat with David Elland last night just after the Forum (I must say after last night he gained a lot more respect from me) regarding the facility at Lake Mac housing.
He spoke in brief about them being unable to fence of the front grass field due to council restrictions thus rendering investment on that field impractical.
However he did touch on his desire to work with LMCC and LMCFC on making that venue a "Boutique type venue where the W-League and NYL teams could play and the seniors training venue. He said he had already spoken to LMCC about it and was willing to have the discussion with LMCFC but they have a new board in place and he was waiting for the right time to have the discussion.
I for one hope this could become a reality and I realize it will be difficult to come to an agreement where all the parties involved will be happy, but just the knowledge that things could be in motion to make this happen is exciting.
Where is this Lake Mac Housing site?
Premy
19-06-2015, 08:57 PM
Where is this Lake Mac Housing site?
My bad
Housing the Jets*
Some joker at that member conference wants a team song and didnt know about ntua, ffs
furns
20-06-2015, 03:59 AM
I was quite amused by the blokes insisting to me & Bodi (quite rudely at one point) that no one liked NTUA and that the active support are the only ones who care about it being our anthem and "it's a shit song anyway".
Literally 60 seconds later Mitchell asked for a show of hands for who wanted NTUA to remain our anthem - I estimate 85% of the room put their hands up.
Pwned.
ToddG NBUnited
20-06-2015, 08:51 AM
from what Murphy said last night
4 kits next season.
1. the new home kit..... not red and blue like the knights - but still in keeping with badge colours, but increase in gold, so Royal blue and Gold (with a little red), or Red and gold (with a little royal blue)
2. the new away kit..... similar design to new home kit, but "cleaner" so less small patches of other colours, predominetly white with gold
3. gold kit - for a "heriatge" game probably against the CCM .....a "one off" kit
4. RAAF kit with fighter jets on it (no such hats mentioned) ..... another "one off" kit
Kit 1, wont be mostly gold, otherwsie theres no need for Kit 3.
The way i heard it and from seeing the comment 'leaks' on facebook.
Home - Blue and Gold
Away - White and Gold
Special 1 - Gold kit will be worn 4 times throughout the season.
Special 2 - RAAF kit will be worn in round 8 aginst Brisbane Roar.
Some joker at that member conference wants a team song and didnt about ntua, ffs
THat was bad but it wasn't as bad as the first question where the bloke starting talking about the buzz/excitement due to promotion down in Gypoland for a HAL game and then saying there is none in Newy???
I was quite amused by the blokes insisting to me & Bodi (quite rudely at one point) that no one liked NTUA and that the active support are the only ones who care about it being our anthem and "it's a shit song anyway".
Literally 60 seconds later Mitchell asked for a show of hands for who wanted NTUA to remain our anthem - I estimate 85% of the room put their hands up.
Pwned.
haha, its as good as any that ive heard
You will never get 100% agreement for a team anthem but over time its not about the song but about trials and tribulations that you go through and that song represents all that has happened.
The only other option is "Some Sheila" which would be awesome at school assemblies
Jetmaster
20-06-2015, 11:02 AM
"Jump In My Car"" ffs....winnah.
q-money
20-06-2015, 11:08 AM
lol ffs, did some actually suggest ted mulry :rof:
stopper2
20-06-2015, 11:55 AM
THat was bad but it wasn't as bad as the first question where the bloke starting talking about the buzz/excitement due to promotion down in Gypoland for a HAL game and then saying there is none in Newy???
Yeah I agree.
I was thinking you obviously haven't been supporting the club since the beginning and weren't around during our glory days when gold jerseys were quite a common sighting around streets and shops etc.
Simple fact is if the Gypos finished consistently in the bottom four over 5 years they would not still average over 10k and have 10k Members as we do...they would most probably be defunct!!!
The novelty of the Mariners in the A League wore off pretty quick after the initial "buzz/excitement" in the Central Coast.
WolfMan
20-06-2015, 11:56 AM
lol ffs, did some actually suggest ted mulry :rof:
Someone on Facebook later suggested "Tubthumping". Can only assume they wanted to belt out "pissing the night away" in public
Someone on Facebook later suggested "Tubthumping". Can only assume they wanted to belt out "pissing the night away" in public
did you have a say at the meeting?
furns
20-06-2015, 02:56 PM
did you have a say at the meeting?
He was the bloke who said what we were all thinking hawk
He was the bloke who said what we were all thinking hawk
and the delivery was awesome. stone cold
Jetmaster
13-01-2016, 11:45 AM
I'm bumping this - six months later....mid year review time.
What has FFA delivered, what has it not? Does anyone have a link to the video of the forum? I had a copy on my hard drive but appear to have deleted it.
I do feel that the FFA fully expected the new owner to be signed, sealed and delivered long ago. They are now lumbered with the custody of a bastard child that they don't know what to do with.
The biggest pointer to this is the coaching appointment - SM got the gig because he was prepared to accept the "no guarantee when there is a new owner clause". If it was not for this clause Rudes would now be our coach.
Fully believe there should be calls for a mid year forum to discuss what is happening. ASAP not after the Grand Final and people can't be bothered.
Jeterpool
13-01-2016, 11:48 AM
I'm bumping this - six months later....mid year review time.
What has FFA delivered, what has it not? Does anyone have a link to the video of the forum? I had a copy on my hard drive but appear to have deleted it.
I do feel that the FFA fully expected the new owner to be signed, sealed and delivered long ago. They are now lumbered with the custody of a bastard child that they don't know what to do with.
The biggest pointer to this is the coaching appointment - SM got the gig because he was prepared to accept the "no guarantee when there is a new owner clause". If it was not for this clause Rudes would now be our coach.
Fully believe there should be calls for a mid year forum to discuss what is happening. ASAP not after the Grand Final and people can't be bothered.
That's not a bad call - An update to fans on the ownership status and if the FFA are the owners next season what are they planning for the club?
Attn - Gaz Fish. Let's put this on the list for the next meeting.
Attn Newcastle Herald - We know you read this site. How about pursuing this line? It's all gone quiet lately.
BodyNovo
13-01-2016, 11:49 AM
besides the ownership they have achieved everything off the field i think they had to do
- attain sponsors
- reconnect with the community
- reconnect with the business community and;
- reform relationships with the uni, the stadium, etc.
everything on the field obviously hasn't happened and i think if the FFA still has our control in May they will have to make a big decision in regards to how they back the club. I think that a lot of members would have signed back up from the goodwill from the FFA i don't know if they will get the same goodwill next year if they don't invest in the squad heavily.
Jetmaster
13-01-2016, 12:05 PM
besides the ownership they have achieved everything off the field i think they had to do
- attain sponsors
- reconnect with the community
- reconnect with the business community and;
- reform relationships with the uni, the stadium, etc.
everything on the field obviously hasn't happened and i think if the FFA still has our control in May they will have to make a big decision in regards to how they back the club. I think that a lot of members would have signed back up from the goodwill from the FFA i don't know if they will get the same goodwill next year if they don't invest in the squad heavily.
I agree with these points, however the public perception is we are still a basket case - performance on the field unfortunately is the number one KPI and the FFA is not showing any interest in the fast and predictable slide.
Compare the Jets FFA ownership to previous ones, also consider what would be happening should Sydney FC be in the same boat? FFA would be far more proactive. I think the FFA (and Fox) are happy as long as they have a blockbuster derby every few weeks to bring in a crowd and show off the atmosphere.
Newcastle is the strongest football region in Australia - if it can't succeed, then Gold Coast, Canberra, Wollongong, Geelong, Central Coast etc have got no chance. Wellington are on borrowed time and Perth have gone on the nose. The current top 6 are the league at the moment. How does the A-League grow long term in this scenario?
I agree with these points, however the public perception is we are still a basket case - performance on the field unfortunately is the number one KPI and the FFA is not showing any interest in the fast and predictable slide.
Compare the Jets FFA ownership to previous ones, also consider what would be happening should Sydney FC be in the same boat? FFA would be far more proactive. I think the FFA (and Fox) are happy as long as they have a blockbuster derby every few weeks to bring in a crowd and show off the atmosphere.
Newcastle is the strongest football region in Australia - if it can't succeed, then Gold Coast, Canberra, Wollongong, Geelong, Central Coast etc have got no chance. Wellington are on borrowed time and Perth have gone on the nose. The current top 6 are the league at the moment. How does the A-League grow long term in this scenario?
Can whinge all we like about the treatment for us small town hillbillies but after growing up in Newy we have seen it all before with the second rate treatment.
Reality is other than finding the owner the FFA have not done anything to wrong here.
Our on field problems lay firmly at the feet of our coaching staff.
1 For their Boring Style Of Play
2 For their Refusal to alter Tactics
3 For their failure to select some players for games
4 For their pretty piss poor efforts at signing quality players for us
5 For their inability to gut our squad of the dead wood
Now the FFA can come in and give us 20 million a year for Marquees but until these issues are addressed by the coaching department we are still on the nose
Call a spade a spade. It ain't all about money.
We are shooting ourselves in the foot by our own SELF INFLICTED MISTAKES and not a lack of $$ in the transfer market
redwah
13-01-2016, 01:07 PM
Can whinge all we like about the treatment for us small town hillbillies but after growing up in Newy we have seen it all before with the second rate treatment.
Reality is other than finding the owner the FFA have not done anything to wrong here.
Our on field problems lay firmly at the feet of our coaching staff.
1 For their Boring Style Of Play
2 For their Refusal to alter Tactics
3 For their failure to select some players for games
4 For their pretty piss poor efforts at signing quality players for us
5 For their inability to gut our squad of the dead wood
Now the FFA can come in and give us 20 million a year for Marquees but until these issues are addressed by the coaching department we are still on the nose
Call a spade a spade. It ain't all about money.
We are shooting ourselves in the foot by our own SELF INFLICTED MISTAKES and not a lack of $$ in the transfer market
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuckkkkk kk....we get it, you don't like the coach, you don't like his tactics, you don't like his shoes....you just don't like.....but please if having more money into the club has nothing to do with it you have rocks in your head. I'm sure in another thread you said you want to get rid of up to 15 players.....wishful thinking or Pep Guardiola aren't replacing them without cash.
sammydog
13-01-2016, 01:14 PM
Now the FFA can come in and give us 20 million a year for Marquees but until these issues are addressed by the coaching department we are still on the nose
Maybe but, not using the salty cap to its fullest extent, by not utilising all the cap exemptions (local player, marquees, etc) then we are running a squad that is significantly cheaper than the clubs running at the pointy end of the field.
Less investment on the field generally will result in lesser results.
By the FFA going the minimum spend, we are pushing shit up hill from the start.
stopper2
13-01-2016, 01:16 PM
Can whinge all we like about the treatment for us small town hillbillies but after growing up in Newy we have seen it all before with the second rate treatment.
Reality is other than finding the owner the FFA have not done anything to wrong here.
Our on field problems lay firmly at the feet of our coaching staff.
1 For their Boring Style Of Play
2 For their Refusal to alter Tactics
3 For their failure to select some players for games
4 For their pretty piss poor efforts at signing quality players for us
5 For their inability to gut our squad of the dead wood
Now the FFA can come in and give us 20 million a year for Marquees but until these issues are addressed by the coaching department we are still on the nose
Call a spade a spade. It ain't all about money.
We are shooting ourselves in the foot by our own SELF INFLICTED MISTAKES and not a lack of $$ in the transfer market
Agree 100% on points 1-4 Member but a bit rich to expect cullings mid-season (if that's what you meant?) The transfer of Leaky Gee was a great opportunity to bring in at least 2 quality players that will make a difference in the front third but it seems that we are incapable of even doing that, so yeah we can't just keep blaming the FFA
Jetmaster
13-01-2016, 01:17 PM
Member - is not the quality of the current coaching staff commensurate with the funding available to spend on said staff?
FFA went on the cheap from day one and this is the source of many problems, including who is guiding the ship (a part-time CEO ffs).
Stopper - do you think that FFA will have say in any transfers, or is it down to coaching staff only? I doubt they have full autonomy yet.
The thing here is say what you like about Miller - we all know that JP is a proven performer and has gone from penthouse to shithouse in months.
baldrick
13-01-2016, 01:48 PM
Call a spade a spade. It ain't all about money.
It ain't all about the money, it's 95% about the money.
If we had the funds, both on field & off field of say Victory or Wanderers we'd be killing it too.
If we had the funds, both on field & off field of say Victory or Wanderers we'd be killing it too.
What this guy and others already know. Our squad cannot compete with other squads in the league.
So, let's just continue the useless discussion about where we can put "players" on the field. yawn
Reality is other than finding the owner the FFA have not done anything to wrong here.
Our on field problems lay firmly at the feet of our coaching staff.
1 For their Boring Style Of Play
2 For their Refusal to alter Tactics
3 For their failure to select some players for games
4 For their pretty piss poor efforts at signing quality players for us
5 For their inability to gut our squad of the dead wood
All these problems stem from poor recruitment and who is in charge of this?
FFA have big heartedly fixed some off field problems which helps them to maintain a team for fox. They have done nearly nil for the fans or team results
stopper2
13-01-2016, 02:18 PM
Member - is not the quality of the current coaching staff commensurate with the funding available to spend on said staff?
FFA went on the cheap from day one and this is the source of many problems, including who is guiding the ship (a part-time CEO ffs).
Stopper - do you think that FFA will have say in any transfers, or is it down to coaching staff only? I doubt they have full autonomy yet.
The thing here is say what you like about Miller - we all know that JP is a proven performer and has gone from penthouse to shithouse in months.
Fair points mate, i could be wrong but I would have assumed the FFA would say here is what you have to spend, Scott, JP and David...do as you please with it. Would be surprised if FFA have any input into the signing of players.
All these problems stem from poor recruitment and who is in charge of this?
FFA have big heartedly fixed some off field problems which helps them to maintain a team for fox. They have done nearly nil for the fans or team results
The club is responsible for this.
From Middleby GVE Muppet Millertime Tinkler etc
Shit decisions have been continually made.
The chickens have come home to roost right now.
Hey I love to bag the useless ****s at the FFA more than the next guy. To blame them though for our recruitment issues is far fetched and short sighted. miller has had money to spend. Not much but what he has had he has frittered away on poor signings.
Leonardo Milos Poljak Hoffman Watson Labi are all his decisions not Lowy's
Hey if it is all about money then lets magically add Berisha as our foreign marquee and Mooy as our Aussie Marquee and replace them with the two weakest in our squad say Barresi and Muata Marlow.
Now with the two gun marquees of the comp in our side where are we going?? To the top of the table??
Not with the rest of the weak players in our squad.
Adding Berisha and Mooy too our side would only make us marginally better and allow us to compete better for 6th spot and not much more.
It is the quality of the rest of the rank and file players that are the problem for us.
Add in the fact that the Gypos won a comp 3 years ago with no marquees and on the smell of an oily rag then any argument that you need money in this comp is null and void.
Money sure can help. But if you don't get the rest of it right you are going nowhere like Perth Glory
hit it right there. With more $ we could buy the RIGHT players for a change. the gypos bought the talented players not just any bozo. See its all about correct recruitment. We have no-one who knows how to do it.
It ain't all about the money, it's 95% about the money.
If we had the funds, both on field & off field of say Victory or Wanderers we'd be killing it too.
If we had the funds like Victree Heart etc we would still be just like Perth Glory.
When you are unable to sort out the basics you are fighting an uphill battle.
Give us an extra 20 million salary cap on our rivals and I reckon our club would still fritter it away and come 7th
q-money
13-01-2016, 02:58 PM
hit it right there. With more $ we could buy the RIGHT players for a change. the gypos bought the talented players not just any bozo. See its all about correct recruitment. We have no-one who knows how to do it.
i reckon we need to buy a few more DMs, that'll sort it out
The Dunster
13-01-2016, 03:02 PM
If we had the funds like Victree Heart etc we would still be just like Perth Glory.
When you are unable to sort out the basics you are fighting an uphill battle.
Give us an extra 20 million salary cap on our rivals and I reckon our club would still fritter it away and come 7th
I agree 100%. The evidence that the club would simply pay way too much for shit players is overwhelming.
Con and Remo et al had it all over this lot when it comes to getting value for money [mangoes].
Frodo
13-01-2016, 03:03 PM
I think we should ask the FFA/Club who is actually in charge of recruitment? How much say does Miller get and how much does Elland get?
What sort of scouting network do we have? (i'm not saying do we have guys scouting the world for talent, i'm saying do we just listen to what agents have to say and then maybe see 1 trial before making a signing?)
I think the deadwood argument that was brought up should be left until after this season finishes and contracts have run-out. The FFA didn't have time to study our squad and just resigned everyone on same-as contracts to make sure we had a squad at the start of the season. I don't have any problem with that given the timing and what could have happened if they hadn't.
Ask them what is actually happening with the sale of our club? Are they just holding out for too much money? Are they not allowing potential buyers full control of the club?
Frodo
13-01-2016, 03:11 PM
I agree 100%. The evidence that the club would simply pay way too much for shit players is overwhelming.
Con and Remo et al had it all over this lot when it comes to getting value for money [mangoes].
Name 1 club in the HAL who doesn't overpay for mediocre players? It's the A league, we have a tiny pool of players to use and we are behind the ball on recruitment after years of playing like numpties. We need to overpay to get anyone here. We overpayed for Boogard but without him we would be a hell of a lot worse off, same for Cabbage (that filthy useless so-and-so). If replacing them was so easy i'd concede but there just isn't enough good players out there, that are available to us.
I'd like to know why the Mariners, who have less than half our fanbase can afford an awesome youth set-up and seem to find good players for cheap when we can't? Ask the FFA to pay for some better faces behind the scenes to fix some of the issues that have plagued us for the last 5 years.
The Dunster
13-01-2016, 03:39 PM
Name 1 club in the HAL who doesn't overpay for mediocre players? It's the A league, we have a tiny pool of players to use and we are behind the ball on recruitment after years of playing like numpties. We need to overpay to get anyone here. We overpayed for Boogard but without him we would be a hell of a lot worse off, same for Cabbage (that filthy useless so-and-so). If replacing them was so easy i'd concede but there just isn't enough good players out there, that are available to us.
I'd like to know why the Mariners, who have less than half our fanbase can afford an awesome youth set-up and seem to find good players for cheap when we can't? Ask the FFA to pay for some better faces behind the scenes to fix some of the issues that have plagued us for the last 5 years.
Once they get rid of the rail line in Newcastle everyone will be wanting to play for the Jets.
#BairdlovesNewyfootball
I think the deadwood argument that was brought up should be left until after this season finishes and contracts have run-out. The FFA didn't have time to study our squad and just resigned everyone on same-as contracts to make sure we had a squad at the start of the season. I don't have any problem with that given the timing and what could have happened if they hadn't.
Someone managed to take the under contract Sam Galloway off our hands
Someone is also interested in signing Tando Velaphi to a contract in Japan
If these things are possible then there is no excuse for our club to not have started clearing out the unwanted players in the squad in pre season.
FFS Every club in the world changes managers at some time and the first things that happen are new players come in current players go out.
If after a few weeks of pre season Millertime couldn't work out that the playing personnel at his disposal are below par then he is not the smartest
If he realised this and still persevered without change then he is even more lacking in intelligence.
The transfer window is open. Why is he not on the blower trying to find someone to take his unwanted players off his hands??
Why wait to the end of the season??
Why Why Why???
Jeterpool
13-01-2016, 04:06 PM
The transfer window is open. Why is he not on the blower trying to find someone to take his unwanted players off his hands??
Devil's advocate, but who says that he isn't already and it's taking more convincing or he's trying to drive a harder bargain? It's only a third way through the transfer window,
Jetmaster
13-01-2016, 06:11 PM
Most transfer window business is done on the last day as agents haggle for the best deal. The live feed on the BBC in the hours before the deadline is more entertaining than.......a Jets game!
redwah
13-01-2016, 08:18 PM
If we had the funds like Victree Heart etc we would still be just like Perth Glory.
When you are unable to sort out the basics you are fighting an uphill battle.
Give us an extra 20 million salary cap on our rivals and I reckon our club would still fritter it away and come 7th
Mate people aren't just talking salary cap. Everything in football costs money...coaches, facilities, physios, dieticians, equipment and yes the all important players. We are running on the smell of an oily rag....far from a position of strength in any department.
As for your other point about adding Berisha and Mooy and still being also rans you are kidding. The work rate of those 2 alone compared with those in the same spots for the jets would make us a better team by 10x.....you'd trade 2 kids or shirt fillers but don't look at the over all benefit to the team because of your usual vitriol.....please Berisha instead of Trufinovic and Mooy instead of Kitto any day of any week......
lquiquer
13-01-2016, 09:13 PM
And fortunately for some players it's more about money, however must also be a huge lack of self belief ??!!... Thinking of Nabout and Chianese in Malaysian league 2!!!!.....
lquiquer
13-01-2016, 09:25 PM
You want immediate success?... Then you need to target 5 to 6 big names not one... Why the **** would Taggs or Troisi come here???.... Look at Heart / City: shit team, shit crowds... They show the $$$$$$ and AMBITTION and attract Mooy, Paartalu, Koren, Franjic, Sorensen, Zullo,the u r gay stricker... And bingo...... Lack of ambition by Jerks / FFA is killing us.... Band aid job.... Miller is on a different planet when he says in the presser his players are talented!!!!... And Boogard in the herald today saying: "I think the pleasing thing for us as a group is that we are creating the chances and we are combining well.."... He must be smoking good shit??!!!....
You want immediate success?... Then you need to target 5 to 6 big names not one... Why the **** would Taggs or Troisi come here???.... Look at Heart / City: shit team, shit crowds... They show the $$$$$$ and AMBITTION and attract Mooy, Paartalu, Koren, Franjic, Sorensen, Zullo,the u r gay stricker... And bingo...... Lack of ambition by Jerks / FFA is killing us.... Band aid job.... Miller is on a different planet when he says in the presser his players are talented!!!!... And Boogard in the herald today saying: "I think the pleasing thing for us as a group is that we are creating the chances and we are combining well.."... He must be smoking good shit??!!!....
im with this guy
Thomas477
13-01-2016, 10:28 PM
What do you want Miller to say? The current squad are ****ing hopeless and we won't win a game again this season? That would go down well.
lquiquer
13-01-2016, 10:38 PM
What do you want Miller to say? The current squad are ****ing hopeless and we won't win a game again this season? That would go down well.
Telling them they are talented not doing the job so why not?....
Mate people aren't just talking salary cap. Everything in football costs money...coaches, facilities, physios, dieticians, equipment and yes the all important players. We are running on the smell of an oily rag....far from a position of strength in any department.
As for your other point about adding Berisha and Mooy and still being also rans you are kidding. The work rate of those 2 alone compared with those in the same spots for the jets would make us a better team by 10x.....you'd trade 2 kids or shirt fillers but don't look at the over all benefit to the team because of your usual vitriol.....please Berisha instead of Trufinovic and Mooy instead of Kitto any day of any week......
Money is not our problem.
Lack of money is not our problem.
It is an organisational wide cluster**** of a club.
Giving us money won't fix anything until we get competent staff across the club
Nix and Gypos have little money yet can sign adequate capable staff and players
As for your point about adding Mooy and Berisha to our side and expecting us to be contenders you are ****ing delusional if you think this to be true.
Their rest of the Jets players are not gonna improve enough to make them look good.
Watch Berisha next time Victree are on the receiving end of a loss and are second best. His effectiveness diminishes drastically
Jetmaster
14-01-2016, 09:21 AM
How blind are you Member - it is ABOUT THE MONEY!
Lack of money means....
* You hire monkeys because you pay peanuts - we only have the coaching staff we can afford. You can't get the "competent staff" you talk about without paying for it.
* We do not fill all positions because we prioritise what we can do without - there are unfilled jobs at the Jets and I would love to see the numbers of support staff we have compared to others.
* Again, we have a PART TIME CEO - how often do you hear of anything from Eland compared to Middleby and Murphy? What is he actually doing to improve the situation?
* You CANNOT organise the club to be fully functional as you are cutting corners and doing things on the cheap. And only doing them 2-3 days a week.
* We do not have the top quality performance/medical facilities other clubs have. Ongoing Leo issues are a case in point.
* We cannot make any use of marquee money, or even get a guest - the salary cap means little now anyway as the big clubs know how to spend their funds in other ways to get the players they want and to get them to perform.
* Lack of money means we cannot make wholesale changes to the squad now. Gypos are still last and Nix are starting to lose it now their future in clouded.
As for your point about adding Mooy and Berisha to our side and expecting us to be contenders you are ****ing delusional if you think this to be true.
Not as delusional as thinking a damaged and ageing Griff (legend, yes) will change things overnight now is it?
We need money, end of....the first thing you do with that money is bring in a proper CEO and a quality coaching staff. With that comes credibility and a change in culture. The crap guys will actually perform better and we will actually attract quality. This is just like any other employer.
After the shit we went through last year I thought success this season would be to have the club functioning, not finish last and to get a new owner in. Last years damage will take 2-3 years to repair - I still think that is the case.
And Member - if you have the solutions please enlighten us....properly. Have a look at the club balance sheet, have a look at the contracts and staff in place and feel free to show us your 12 month strategy to turn this club around. Don't whinge and whine unless you have a solution other than sacking Miller and signing Griff.
Where's the tylanol? FMD....
Jeterpool
14-01-2016, 09:27 AM
How blind are you Member - it is ABOUT THE MONEY!
Lack of money means....
* You hire monkeys because you pay peanuts - we only have the coaching staff we can afford. You can't get the "competent staff" you talk about without paying for it.
* We do not fill all positions because we prioritise what we can do without - there are unfilled jobs at the Jets and I would love to see the numbers of support staff we have compared to others.
* Again, we have a PART TIME CEO - how often do you hear of anything from Eland compared to Middleby and Murphy? What is he actually doing to improve the situation?
* You CANNOT organise the club to be fully functional as you are cutting corners and doing things on the cheap. And only doing them 2-3 days a week.
* We do not have the top quality performance/medical facilities other clubs have. Ongoing Leo issues are a case in point.
* We cannot make any use of marquee money, or even get a guest - the salary cap means little now anyway as the big clubs know how to spend their funds in other ways to get the players they want and to get them to perform.
* Lack of money means we cannot make wholesale changes to the squad now. Gypos are still last and Nix are starting to lose it now their future in clouded.
Not as delusional as thinking a damaged and ageing Griff (legend, yes) will change things overnight now is it?
We need money, end of....the first thing you do with that money is bring in a proper CEO and a quality coaching staff. With that comes credibility and a change in culture. The crap guys will actually perform better and we will actually attract quality. This is just like any other employer.
After the shit we went through last year I thought success this season would be to have the club functioning, not finish last and to get a new owner in. Last years damage will take 2-3 years to repair - I still think that is the case.
And Member - if you have the solutions please enlighten us....properly. Have a look at the club balance sheet, have a look at the contracts and staff in place and feel free to show us your 12 month strategy to turn this club around. Don't whinge and whine unless you have a solution other than sacking Miller and signing Griff.
Where's the tylanol? FMD....
:pissup: you and me mate. Great post. I agree that it is about money too. It's no coincidence that as the league has matured, the gap between the has and has-nots has grown. We have a long way to get back.
sammydog
14-01-2016, 10:14 AM
How blind are you Member - it is ABOUT THE MONEY!
Lack of money means....
* You hire monkeys because you pay peanuts - we only have the coaching staff we can afford. You can't get the "competent staff" you talk about without paying for it.
* We do not fill all positions because we prioritise what we can do without - there are unfilled jobs at the Jets and I would love to see the numbers of support staff we have compared to others.
* Again, we have a PART TIME CEO - how often do you hear of anything from Eland compared to Middleby and Murphy? What is he actually doing to improve the situation?
* You CANNOT organise the club to be fully functional as you are cutting corners and doing things on the cheap. And only doing them 2-3 days a week.
* We do not have the top quality performance/medical facilities other clubs have. Ongoing Leo issues are a case in point.
* We cannot make any use of marquee money, or even get a guest - the salary cap means little now anyway as the big clubs know how to spend their funds in other ways to get the players they want and to get them to perform.
* Lack of money means we cannot make wholesale changes to the squad now. Gypos are still last and Nix are starting to lose it now their future in clouded.
Great Post.
The thing that makes the salary cap even worse for us is that from all reports we are using the minimum spend. So we aren't even using the full potential of the cap before you look at salary cap exemptions.
Money is a huge issue for us, why do you think someone like Arnold, who was rumoured to be coming, wouldn't touch the place. What established, successful coach would come near this place knowing full well its run next to nothing with no investment in its future.
I will agree with the Member, this organisation is a complete cluster ****, but where I differ is that I believe this is largely due to the lack of investment in back room staff which winds up with a lot of stuff just not being able to be done at our club.
Money is perhaps our biggest problem and everything else we are seeing, from on park performances, to squad signings, to part time CEO are just symptoms of the bigger problem.
Frodo
14-01-2016, 10:54 AM
How blind are you Member - it is ABOUT THE MONEY!
Lack of money means....
* You hire monkeys because you pay peanuts - we only have the coaching staff we can afford. You can't get the "competent staff" you talk about without paying for it.
* We do not fill all positions because we prioritise what we can do without - there are unfilled jobs at the Jets and I would love to see the numbers of support staff we have compared to others.
* Again, we have a PART TIME CEO - how often do you hear of anything from Eland compared to Middleby and Murphy? What is he actually doing to improve the situation?
* You CANNOT organise the club to be fully functional as you are cutting corners and doing things on the cheap. And only doing them 2-3 days a week.
* We do not have the top quality performance/medical facilities other clubs have. Ongoing Leo issues are a case in point.
* We cannot make any use of marquee money, or even get a guest - the salary cap means little now anyway as the big clubs know how to spend their funds in other ways to get the players they want and to get them to perform.
* Lack of money means we cannot make wholesale changes to the squad now. Gypos are still last and Nix are starting to lose it now their future in clouded.
Not as delusional as thinking a damaged and ageing Griff (legend, yes) will change things overnight now is it?
We need money, end of....the first thing you do with that money is bring in a proper CEO and a quality coaching staff. With that comes credibility and a change in culture. The crap guys will actually perform better and we will actually attract quality. This is just like any other employer.
After the shit we went through last year I thought success this season would be to have the club functioning, not finish last and to get a new owner in. Last years damage will take 2-3 years to repair - I still think that is the case.
And Member - if you have the solutions please enlighten us....properly. Have a look at the club balance sheet, have a look at the contracts and staff in place and feel free to show us your 12 month strategy to turn this club around. Don't whinge and whine unless you have a solution other than sacking Miller and signing Griff.
Where's the tylanol? FMD....
Love all of this.
The Dunster
14-01-2016, 11:20 AM
I think the member is being misunderstood.
He's not saying money doesn't matter.
He is saying that based on past experience the powers that be in Newcastle would waste the money on the wrong players, at the wrong prices, for the wrong reasons.
From what I understand MFKS is implying that we need to worry more about the people spending the money rather than the money itself.
For a change I'm going to agree with him.
Because if the money comes first and nothing else changes the money will be sent down the shitter and we may never get an opportunity again.
Jeterpool
14-01-2016, 11:24 AM
I think the member is being misunderstood.
He's not saying money doesn't matter.
He is saying that based on past experience the powers that be in Newcastle would waste the money on the wrong players, at the wrong prices, for the wrong reasons.
From what I understand MFKS is implying that we need to worry more about the people spending the money rather than the money itself.
For a change I'm going to agree with him.
Because if the money comes first and nothing else changes the money will be sent down the shitter and we may never get an opportunity again.
That's a very vaild point too.
The Dunster
14-01-2016, 11:26 AM
Bottom line we need a new owner to come in sack everyone not up to the job and then assemble a club that is competitive.
If this owner is interested in what the fans think then they are not the right person for the job.
Get the team winning and / or playing quality football and the fans won't give a rats arse about anything else.
I think the member is being misunderstood.
He's not saying money doesn't matter.
He is saying that based on past experience the powers that be in Newcastle would waste the money on the wrong players, at the wrong prices, for the wrong reasons.
From what I understand MFKS is implying that we need to worry more about the people spending the money rather than the money itself.
For a change I'm going to agree with him.
Because if the money comes first and nothing else changes the money will be sent down the shitter and we may never get an opportunity again.
Praise the lord Griffo
Someone gets it.
Until we sort out who is making the decisions in the first place and get competent people in to make those decisions we are ****ed and going around in circles and going nowhere.
Case in point Perth Glory. Under Sage they have had more than adequate investment into their club from the owner. Problem is it don't translate onfield as that club is just as big a cluster**** as ours is.
More money is not our solution.
Recruitment of the right people across the club is the key to turning our future around We don't have to be paying top dollar either for these people. We just need to be making smart highly intelligent decisions and finding the right people
Jeterpool
14-01-2016, 12:11 PM
Praise the lord Griffo
Someone gets it.
Until we sort out who is making the decisions in the first place and get competent people in to make those decisions we are ****ed and going around in circles and going nowhere.
Case in point Perth Glory. Under Sage they have had more than adequate investment into their club from the owner. Problem is it don't translate onfield as that club is just as big a cluster**** as ours is.
More money is not our solution.
Recruitment of the right people across the club is the key to turning our future around We don't have to be paying top dollar either for these people. We just need to be making smart highly intelligent decisions and finding the right people
Sorry I missed your point member. I understand where you are now coming from. I agree with you that money is not our solution but I will add the word "yet".
Money will assist with our solution once we have the right people making the decision. But it's kind of a chicken or the egg argument I'm seeing in here at the moment, isn't it? Need money to attract good people (who can use money wisely) but need good people to spend money we currently have to make us attractive to those with money.
Jetmaster
14-01-2016, 12:14 PM
I guess it's chicken and the egg !! And I agree that the crux of the matter is that we need people at the top working smarter.
My point is the pittance that the FFA is putting into the club now will not change the status quo. That doesn't look like changing until an owner is found.
A fulltime CEO doing the rounds would be a great step forward - losing Murphy at that time was a step backward.
This is where the FFA could make a big change. A good CEO would not break the bank and would make immediate changes.
To me it is not really chicken and egg or horse before cart etc
We can actually fix the employment of the right personnel issue.
The money thing we have no control of when the rich benefactor arrives.
We can fix a lot of our CURRENT problems without the money but by being intelligent with our recruitment.
The money sure as shit will accelerate this but it is pointless until the intelligence to make good decisions is in place or we will squander it
sammydog
14-01-2016, 01:26 PM
I guess it's chicken and the egg !! And I agree that the crux of the matter is that we need people at the top working smarter.
My point is the pittance that the FFA is putting into the club now will not change the status quo. That doesn't look like changing until an owner is found.
A fulltime CEO doing the rounds would be a great step forward - losing Murphy at that time was a step backward.
This is where the FFA could make a big change. A good CEO would not break the bank and would make immediate changes.
Thats pretty much my line of thought. We need a decent CEO, but a good one isn't going to come on chump change.
Once we have a good CEO, everything below should fall into place from there.
Having a part time CEO, who is silent for the most part, screams of a club lacking ambition and drive. And if club culture is driven from the top, we are reaping the results right now.
baldrick
14-01-2016, 01:33 PM
How blind are you Member - it is ABOUT THE MONEY!
Lack of money means....
* You hire monkeys because you pay peanuts - we only have the coaching staff we can afford. You can't get the "competent staff" you talk about without paying for it.
* We do not fill all positions because we prioritise what we can do without - there are unfilled jobs at the Jets and I would love to see the numbers of support staff we have compared to others.
* Again, we have a PART TIME CEO - how often do you hear of anything from Eland compared to Middleby and Murphy? What is he actually doing to improve the situation?
* You CANNOT organise the club to be fully functional as you are cutting corners and doing things on the cheap. And only doing them 2-3 days a week.
* We do not have the top quality performance/medical facilities other clubs have. Ongoing Leo issues are a case in point.
* We cannot make any use of marquee money, or even get a guest - the salary cap means little now anyway as the big clubs know how to spend their funds in other ways to get the players they want and to get them to perform.
* Lack of money means we cannot make wholesale changes to the squad now. Gypos are still last and Nix are starting to lose it now their future in clouded.
Not as delusional as thinking a damaged and ageing Griff (legend, yes) will change things overnight now is it?
We need money, end of....the first thing you do with that money is bring in a proper CEO and a quality coaching staff. With that comes credibility and a change in culture. The crap guys will actually perform better and we will actually attract quality. This is just like any other employer.
After the shit we went through last year I thought success this season would be to have the club functioning, not finish last and to get a new owner in. Last years damage will take 2-3 years to repair - I still think that is the case.
And Member - if you have the solutions please enlighten us....properly. Have a look at the club balance sheet, have a look at the contracts and staff in place and feel free to show us your 12 month strategy to turn this club around. Don't whinge and whine unless you have a solution other than sacking Miller and signing Griff.
Where's the tylanol? FMD....
:thumbsup:
Thats pretty much my line of thought. We need a decent CEO, but a good one isn't going to come on chump change.
Once we have a good CEO, everything below should fall into place from there.
Having a part time CEO, who is silent for the most part, screams of a club lacking ambition and drive. And if club culture is driven from the top, we are reaping the results right now.
But a CEO's job is to just fire the bullets and implement the decisions of those who make the decisions.
Who's giving them the decisions??
The worlds greatest CEO needs direction.
It ain't necessarily their forte at finding it
The Dunster
14-01-2016, 01:37 PM
EDIT: I did not see the members post until after I sent this - I may need to see a shrink immediately.
A CEO is little more than the public face representing a board of directors. Look at QANTAS as an example. Alan Joyce is little more than a puppet controlled by Leigh Clifford et al.
This club is no different to any other organisation large or small. The people calling the shots are rarely if ever the faces the public see.
And paying big dollars for a CEO won't mean a lot either as study after study demonstrates there is practically no correlation between CEO pay and company performance.
redwah
15-01-2016, 05:33 PM
Member's new book....."how to get a top quality CEO on the cheap"....cover photo is.......the guy we have now, or the last guy, or the guy before him.......if you know of a top quality proven CEO who will work for and with little money and empty promises please forward his/her CV to: The Jets new miracle worker c/o MFKS@itsnotaboutthemoney.com
Member's new book....."how to get a top quality CEO on the cheap"....cover photo is.......the guy we have now, or the last guy, or the guy before him.......if you know of a top quality proven CEO who will work for and with little money and empty promises please forward his/her CV to: The Jets new miracle worker c/o MFKS@itsnotaboutthemoney.com
Someone's burning.
5 5 5 :rof:
If only I was trying to get you upset I would be achieving some degree of satisfaction right now.
But as I wasn't I couldn't care less and will just have a giggle at you and let it go
Lots of Love MFKS
Frodo
15-01-2016, 05:54 PM
So we need a new CEO on the cheap.
Upgraded backroom staff, for cheap
A new coach.. on the cheap.
Most of our squad replaced with better players, for the same money as the "crap" blokes we have now? Plus, those guys will have to leave without taking payouts.
Who said money wasn't our problem again??:deadhorse:
Most of you guys seem to believe that the salary cap actually evens out the league, it doesn't in anyway. We have less money to spend than probably every other club in the HAL. Until we get sold and get an influx of money to pay for some of these changes, hopefully from the top of my list to the bottom, we are stuck with the back-end of the pile when it comes to staff/coaches/players.
How many people would be happy for our membership fees to double so that we could go find a proper CEO and better players?
What is constructive progress? Isn't letting people speak about their club constructive progress? Furns, what happened at the Jets last supporter forum after I walked out? Was it a whinge fest or did people make constructive comments? I got the impression that there was some consensus, particularly over the coach travel.
yep it was fine and the way to go
Id rather have people throwing in the curly questions that are usually ignored at those pre-organised "plastic" ones.
The people on the front table adjudicated each question on its merit and threw out the repetition cause they have public speaking technique. PLUS everyone gets an answer pretty quickly unlike that other membership committee debacle.
The Dunster
15-01-2016, 07:13 PM
So we need a new CEO on the cheap.
Upgraded backroom staff, for cheap
A new coach.. on the cheap.
Most of our squad replaced with better players, for the same money as the "crap" blokes we have now? Plus, those guys will have to leave without taking payouts.
Who said money wasn't our problem again??:deadhorse:
Most of you guys seem to believe that the salary cap actually evens out the league, it doesn't in anyway. We have less money to spend than probably every other club in the HAL. Until we get sold and get an influx of money to pay for some of these changes, hopefully from the top of my list to the bottom, we are stuck with the back-end of the pile when it comes to staff/coaches/players.
How many people would be happy for our membership fees to double so that we could go find a proper CEO and better players?
You try scoring goals playing with a massive albatross around your neck. It's not easy.
With respect to the salary cap it should not be the same amount for all teams. The bigger teams should be given a much smaller cap to work with as they have a lot of exogenous advantages working in their favour that others simply do not have.
Newcastle can talk lifestyle all it wants but to most players it can never compare to living in Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, or even Adelaide.
Perth and Wellington in many ways are at more of a disadvantage to Newcastle for obvious reasons.
Then there is the fact that the media will always talk up / promote the Sydney and Melbourne clubs which means sponsors are going to get more exposure and hence they want to get on board.
I'm glad we have won a title because I probably won't be around in 25 years or so to see the next.
So we need a new CEO on the cheap.
Upgraded backroom staff, for cheap
A new coach.. on the cheap.
Most of our squad replaced with better players, for the same money as the "crap" blokes we have now? Plus, those guys will have to leave without taking payouts.
Who said money wasn't our problem again??:deadhorse:
Most of you guys seem to believe that the salary cap actually evens out the league, it doesn't in anyway. We have less money to spend than probably every other club in the HAL. Until we get sold and get an influx of money to pay for some of these changes, hopefully from the top of my list to the bottom, we are stuck with the back-end of the pile when it comes to staff/coaches/players.
How many people would be happy for our membership fees to double so that we could go find a proper CEO and better players?
I fully support the move to upgrade our membership fees to realistic prices point blank.
Budget membership has seen budget level management of the club
As for your order of your priorities you have it back to front
We need to start at the bottom and work our way up
The worlds greatest manager is not gonna achieve much with our squad list
The least of our worries at the moment is Eland and his part time role
We need to improve on the park
All football clubs need to win games.
We though have a much greater need to start winning than others
Superdylan
15-01-2016, 11:59 PM
With respect to the salary cap it should not be the same amount for all teams. The bigger teams should be given a much smaller cap to work with as they have a lot of exogenous advantages working in their favour that others simply do not have.
Strongly agree with this. This is a massive issue with us at the moment. Other teams in my opinion must be getting bundles more third party deals same crap happening in the nrl aswell.
Newcastle in both codes getting screwed over big time.
GazFish35
16-01-2016, 12:22 AM
No relegation.
Let's just all enjoy the mediocrity while it doesn't really cost us anything.
redwah
16-01-2016, 08:23 AM
Someone's burning.
5 5 5 :rof:
If only I was trying to get you upset I would be achieving some degree of satisfaction right now.
But as I wasn't I couldn't care less and will just have a giggle at you and let it go
Lots of Love MFKS
Not burning at all.
I've noticed how reasoned logic and the plain obvious of things doesn't seem to alter your opinion so I went for good old fashioned sarcasm....went over your head too....surprising that.
Also you said that you would be all for increasing the members fees.....correct me if I'm mistaken but isn't that increasing money into the club.....something you've said isn't necessary?
Not burning at all.
I've noticed how reasoned logic and the plain obvious of things doesn't seem to alter your opinion so I went for good old fashioned sarcasm....went over your head too....surprising that.
Also you said that you would be all for increasing the members fees.....correct me if I'm mistaken but isn't that increasing money into the club.....something you've said isn't necessary?
Increasing membership prices is a means to an end with my ongoing dispute with plastic fans.
Keeps the wishy washy lot out
So I am all for it
5 5 5
As for reasoned logic and the plain obvious going over someone's head not let the reality pass you by as it does already.
No 1 priority for me is not more money into the club as that is not what we need. We will only waste it.
The people making the decisions need to improve out of sight at the club. It is their continual incompetence and failing that has led us down this road. it is their continued failing that stops us digging ourselves out of this hole.
Our current manager should have started digging us out of the hole when he arrived. He hasn't
He has applied a pile of band aids to our wounds and done nothing to stop the bleeding.
Any fix he is offering starts next season which is just plain wrong.
It should have started this season. What exactly is his plan to right the ship with us??
Park the bus forever???
For all his park the bus tendencies and his signing flops what makes anyone think that given a pile of cash he can turn things around??
I for one think he is well out of his depth
GazFish35
16-01-2016, 10:30 AM
Increasing membership prices is a means to an end with my ongoing dispute with plastic fans.
Keeps the wishy washy lot out
So I am all for it
5 5 5
As for reasoned logic and the plain obvious going over someone's head not let the reality pass you by as it does already.
No 1 priority for me is not more money into the club as that is not what we need. We will only waste it.
The people making the decisions need to improve out of sight at the club. It is their continual incompetence and failing that has led us down this road. it is their continued failing that stops us digging ourselves out of this hole.
Our current manager should have started digging us out of the hole when he arrived. He hasn't
He has applied a pile of band aids to our wounds and done nothing to stop the bleeding.
Any fix he is offering starts next season which is just plain wrong.
It should have started this season. What exactly is his plan to right the ship with us??
Park the bus forever???
For all his park the bus tendencies and his signing flops what makes anyone think that given a pile of cash he can turn things around??
I for one think he is well out of his depth
I reckon 8 years of shit has probably done more than raising ticket prices could in order to wash away the "plastics"
And what do you think Miller should have done, that he hasn't, to start digging us out of the 8 year hole within one season?
I reckon 8 years of shit has probably done more than raising ticket prices could in order to wash away the "plastics"
And what do you think Miller should have done, that he hasn't, to start digging us out of the 8 year hole within one season?
I think the low prices is still keeping some hanging around. put them up to market value and we see then who sticks it out
As for what Miller should have done.
Well for a start he should have signed only blokes he sees as big part of a successful club in the future. Hoffman Poljak Labi are not this and will never be.
He hasn't went for youth he hasn't went for quality. He has just signed a pile of lower end nothing.
Where is the purpose in his transfer dealings??
Where is the bigger picture??
Secondly he should have actually formulated a game plan and style of play that the club is working towards. Yeah you can argue the parking the bus shit is doing this but we ain't winning shit in this comp with this style of play. In my mind all though we are more solid defensively this season we are much worse with the ball.
There is no pattern of play developing and nothing is a work in progress. We are going backwards with the ball. To have a successful side we need to improve this.
So far he has 6 months and not one shred of anything that the quality of good play is improving
Blackmac79
16-01-2016, 04:56 PM
Pretty sure Hoff was signed prior to Miller being announced. And the other two would have already have been spoken to prior surely.
stopper2
16-01-2016, 08:18 PM
Strongly agree with this. This is a massive issue with us at the moment. Other teams in my opinion must be getting bundles more third party deals same crap happening in the nrl aswell.
Newcastle in both codes getting screwed over big time.
Other clubs are just utilising their full 2 marquees quota and other things like having half of 2 long-serving players wages exempt from the Salary Cap which ultimately allows more cash to be freed up to bolster the squad. Really, good luck to the other clubs if they can afford it, should mediocrity be dragged down to our level because Newcastle can't get their shit together and have a truly viable football club!!!
Sick of hereing Newcastle people cry poor both in the A League and the NRL that the big city clubs are dominating because they have all this corporate backing and support....yet which town, much smaller than Newcastle won the NRL in 2015?
1st Q. why are we buying fking donkeys and the aids ridden coastie kunts getting luis Garcia (not great but not bad). Answer that ya clueless bastards
baldrick
16-01-2016, 10:18 PM
Not burning at all.
How's the holiday going ?
plague
16-01-2016, 10:39 PM
Until the club comes out and says 'hey we missed out on this guy and that guy and that guy because of cash' then the money thing is rubbish.
Did we go after Kalfallah, Mooy, Mork from Ork, McLaren??? Any of them?
Our management don't even seem to be talking to any of these blokes that pop up at other clubs.
Show some initiative and I'll support it. All those Mongs in HQ seem to be sitting on their hands.
As for Stubbins crying about Ninkovic how was he gonna go with 9 blokes behind him and some numpty up front?
Just because they may have signed him don't mean either of those last 2 managers could do anything with him.
lquiquer
16-01-2016, 10:44 PM
Until the club comes out and says 'hey we missed out on this guy and that guy and that guy because of cash' then the money thing is rubbish.
Did we go after Kalfallah, Mooy, Mork from Ork, McLaren??? Any of them?
Our management don't even seem to be talking to any of these blokes that pop up at other clubs.
Even worse Gerard said he never had an offer from Aleague clubs, and I suspect same apply to Drogba and prob many more... Disgrace....
plague
16-01-2016, 10:45 PM
Players don't even use us as a leverage tool to get more money out of their real target club.
That's how bad we are going, no one thinks for a second we are signing anyone.
Joke.
plague
16-01-2016, 10:48 PM
Even worse Gerard said he never had an offer from Aleague clubs, and I suspect same apply to Drogba and prob many more... Disgrace....
But not even the big big big names.
Why we going after Klut now? Why didn't we sign him last off season? Was he a ****ing apparition or something?
Jets management walk into a pub full of single chicks and go straight up and chat up the only happily married girl in the joint.
GazFish35
16-01-2016, 11:24 PM
I think the low prices is still keeping some hanging around. put them up to market value and we see then who sticks it out
As for what Miller should have done.
Well for a start he should have signed only blokes he sees as big part of a successful club in the future. Hoffman Poljak Labi are not this and will never be.
He hasn't went for youth he hasn't went for quality. He has just signed a pile of lower end nothing.
Where is the purpose in his transfer dealings??
Where is the bigger picture??
Secondly he should have actually formulated a game plan and style of play that the club is working towards. Yeah you can argue the parking the bus shit is doing this but we ain't winning shit in this comp with this style of play. In my mind all though we are more solid defensively this season we are much worse with the ball.
There is no pattern of play developing and nothing is a work in progress. We are going backwards with the ball. To have a successful side we need to improve this.
So far he has 6 months and not one shred of anything that the quality of good play is improving
While I can't argue with your points about current style it's worth remembering how tight the squad/cap space was when miller arrived.
He had 11ish players, all on too much coin, signed by previous admin, and a timeframe to get decent players in, on little money before other clubs could offer them more coin.
In all the talk at the start of his reign he spoke about building for the future and that the cap, and having to honour prexisting contracts makes developing and building a squad difficult..... Add to that a poor history at the club and attracting top players on little coin was always going to be hard.... The young olyroo we just signed, which miller has stated he tried to get in earlier but couldn't, points to him building for next season.
If you've gone and got your hopes up expecting him to be the white knight to ride into town and turn this circus around, that's your own fault. No one could turn around this club in 12 months. If he's punted, who comes in and saves the day? It's an impossible task in the timeframe some want it done in.
His tactics are repetitive and somewhat gutless, but I see that as him wanting to I still discipline in the squad so next year the foundations are strong and he knows more of who can do as they're told and who can't.
Leonardo and Triffunovic are no doubt deadwood. But I reckon the injury to Labi has played a bigger impact on this season than some are caring to admit.
plague
16-01-2016, 11:38 PM
Yeah but why try and install a philosophy when the players are rubbish and not good enough to play it (paraphrasing his words).
Why start at the back when you're going to change things when you get your players in next year. Why teach these bozos anything if they are out the door?
Why not start at the front, give the punters a larf and a good time and they might just buy into your horseshit? Punters would rather go down 5-3 each week than 2-0 and never look like scoring.
Millers' doing nothing for no one right now. It's garbage and he's full of shit.
Go jets.
lquiquer
16-01-2016, 11:43 PM
While I can't argue with your points about current style it's worth remembering how tight the squad/cap space was when miller arrived.
He had 11ish players, all on too much coin, signed by previous admin, and a timeframe to get decent players in, on little money before other clubs could offer them more coin.
In all the talk at the start of his reign he spoke about building for the future and that the cap, and having to honour prexisting contracts makes developing and building a squad difficult..... Add to that a poor history at the club and attracting top players on little coin was always going to be hard.... The young olyroo we just signed, which miller has stated he tried to get in earlier but couldn't, points to him building for next season.
If you've gone and got your hopes up expecting him to be the white knight to ride into town and turn this circus around, that's your own fault. No one could turn around this club in 12 months. If he's punted, who comes in and saves the day? It's an impossible task in the timeframe some want it done in.
His tactics are repetitive and somewhat gutless, but I see that as him wanting to I still discipline in the squad so next year the foundations are strong and he knows more of who can do as they're told and who can't.
Leonardo and Triffunovic are no doubt deadwood. But I reckon the injury to Labi has played a bigger impact on this season than some are caring to admit.
Why doesn't he come out and says what you are saying?... If he did explain in depth what's going on at the club I prob would respect him more... But instead every presser we get the same story : system is not the problem, they are talented players, we create chances, players combine well together ..... Blah blah blah ...... Why every player we apparently talk to regarding new signing is always a secret: "we talking to few players" but we never get names!!??.. Why ?... If the players in question find their name mentioned in the media then that's it they won't come ??!!... ****ing bullshit, Involve fans in process of running the club, talk the truth to your members ..... I put money on it we talking to donkeys and prob sign another unknown Milosh.... Miller out, David and David out, FFA out...Also Member is right,,money is not number 1 issue, management is....
GazFish35
16-01-2016, 11:45 PM
Yeah but why try and install a philosophy when the players are rubbish and not good enough to play it (paraphrasing his words).
Why start at the back when you're going to change things when you get your players in next year. Why teach these bozos anything if they are out the door?
Why not start at the front, give the punters a larf and a good time and they might just buy into your horseshit? Punters would rather go down 5-3 each week than 2-0 and never look like scoring.
Millers' doing nothing for no one right now. It's garbage and he's full of shit.
Go jets.
Because they're not all out the door at a seasons end, some will have stay. Not putting things in place now means next year's a right off too.
CCM touted the "we are hear to entertain" and where laughed at and there methods are still being questioned as to the impact they'll have on younger players.
Starting from the front..... Means you get in the players you want long term and start with them.... They're usually the ones who cost the most money, so staring any at the back as the only option.
lquiquer
16-01-2016, 11:49 PM
There was no next year crap talk with WSW when they started.....
plague
16-01-2016, 11:57 PM
Because they're not all out the door at a seasons end, some will have stay. Not putting things in place now means next year's a right off too.
CCM touted the "we are hear to entertain" and where laughed at and there methods are still being questioned as to the impact they'll have on younger players.
Starting from the front..... Means you get in the players you want long term and start with them.... They're usually the ones who cost the most money, so staring any at the back as the only option.
So start at the back with players he probably keeps yet still get flogged every game.
Pass.
See ya's back at the stadium when things look up.
plague
17-01-2016, 12:03 AM
Gypos have won one less game than us this year.
They have def given themselves a chance of winning more games than us.
As for long term effects? Geez, the Jets players sure don't look like they're having a grand old time out there.
Craig Goodwin looks like he's enjoying his football at the moment though I'll give you that.
Blackmac79
17-01-2016, 10:16 AM
There was no next year crap talk with WSW when they started.....
Also started with a clean slate. Not 11 players paid above the average.
Jetmaster
17-01-2016, 12:46 PM
Also started with a clean slate. Not 11 players paid above the average.
Gets back to money....FFA had NRMA on board as a sponsor before they even had a team (back when Tarek was the ace face). FFA showed ongoing financial commitment culminating in trying for Ballack and then picking up Shinji.
A new club was also very appealing to the outcasts that went there.
And my original point was that I would like FFA to update the fans/members on the current state of play.
stopper2
17-01-2016, 11:02 PM
Gets back to money....FFA had NRMA on board as a sponsor before they even had a team (back when Tarek was the ace face). FFA showed ongoing financial commitment culminating in trying for Ballack and then picking up Shinji.
A new club was also very appealing to the outcasts that went there.
And my original point was that I would like FFA to update the fans/members on the current state of play.
I agree, the original Forums were back in what May/June and it is now mid January, isn't it time for at least another Members Forum as to where the club is at regarding the ownership, CEO position, future direction, colours for next season etc.
I read somewhere that a local Consortium were interested in taking over but could only come up with 1/3 of what FFA want and also that Thompson is definitely out of the picture but why is this so "hidden"....it's supposedly "our" club, so why aren't we kept up to date with these developments???
GazFish35
17-01-2016, 11:12 PM
I asked on twitter for an update....
Paraphrasing the response....
"Nothing to report"
That was from the club, not the FFA though.
I'm happy for FFA to remain owners for as long as it takes to find a viable owner.... So long as they are genuinely seeking one, and not just waiting for an owner to show up, or worse still, one to turn up in another market we get let to die.
I'm also not keen on the CEO situation, I can't see how eland can be driving progress and change for the club and not simply be a patsy of the FFA, he can't get what he neds from the FFA in both roles he currently plays. Part time CEO means he's not driving nnsw with his full attention either.
stopper2
17-01-2016, 11:29 PM
I asked on twitter for an update....
Paraphrasing the response....
"Nothing to report"
That was from the club, not the FFA though.
I'm happy for FFA to remain owners for as long as it takes to find a viable owner.... So long as they are genuinely seeking one, and not just waiting for an owner to show up, or worse still, one to turn up in another market we get let to die.
I'm also not keen on the CEO situation, I can't see how eland can be driving progress and change for the club and not simply be a patsy of the FFA, he can't get what he neds from the FFA in both roles he currently plays. Part time CEO means he's not driving nnsw with his full attention either.
Can't agree with you more Gaz, someone in an Interim role is exactly that "interim"....it is basically temporary until someone else takes over. Eland is basically in the role now "indefinitely" it would seem as it has been a good 5 months or so no and doesn't look like ending soon. Especially as in the next month or two his NNSW role will supposedly be full-on as well as we near the NPL, NewFM, Interdistrict etc comps
furns
18-01-2016, 12:04 AM
Stupidest decision in years to sack Murphy before Thompson had signed on the bottom line. The loss of momentum and almost total silence from the Jets in the media speaks volumes about the job Murphy was doing before he was marched.
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