Youth system

[mervan]

Is the youth system needed at a league level?

How many players have progressed from youth to full contract at our club in 10 years?

Pavicevic, cowburn, Regan, Lundy, hoole, who have I missed

One every two years, for an owner it's hardly worth the outlay.

[Jeterpool]

Virgili. Give me time I'll get you a list during the week

[GazFish35]

System hasn't been around for ten years yet.

And with tinkler the one previously making the outlay, maybe the outlay hasn't been enough.

A system is only as good as the people employed to work in it.
Investment needs to happen in coaching staff too.

And no doubt, most academies around the world aren't just focussed on producing first tema players for their respective clubs, being able to on sell players to other clubs helps cover costs and make profits too.

Too early to pull the pin on things yet I reckon.

[MFKS]

Is the youth system needed at a league level?

How many players have progressed from youth to full contract at our club in 10 years?

Pavicevic, cowburn, Regan, Lundy, hoole, who have I missed

One every two years, for an owner it's hardly worth the outlay.

Firstly that is complete shit.

Not one club has actually embraced it.

Far too much recycling of shit **** players.

Reality is yoof is not given a go in the pursuit of instant results.



In a league as shit as the HAL you could Seriously clean up in 3 years if you actually back kids as the standard isn't that high that you could overtake your rivals quickly

[mervan]

Firstly that is complete shit.

Not one club has actually embraced it.

Far too much recycling of shit **** players.

Reality is yoof is not given a go in the pursuit of instant results.



In a league as shit as the HAL you could Seriously clean up in 3 years if you actually back kids as the standard isn't that high that you could overtake your rivals quickly

Mkfs, it's not shit it's fact, settle down.

It's how it is, coaches need instant results, therefore no youth promotion, therefore it's a waste of time if your an owner.

I would love to see aust youth promoted, given its a non relegation league, but unfortunately the coaches are the only promotion/ relegation hence no promotion for aust youth.

[mervan]

System hasn't been around for ten years yet.

And with tinkler the one previously making the outlay, maybe the outlay hasn't been enough.

A system is only as good as the people employed to work in it.
Investment needs to happen in coaching staff too.

And no doubt, most academies around the world aren't just focussed on producing first tema players for their respective clubs, being able to on sell players to other clubs helps cover costs and make profits too.

Too early to pull the pin on things yet I reckon.

Gaz unfortunately it's modern business, know one develops anymore, hence the the lack of trainee ships/apprentices in our society.

The owners don't wont it

[joel31]

Gaz unfortunately it's modern business, know one develops anymore, hence the the lack of trainee ships/apprentices in our society.

The owners don't wont it
So you suggest youth players only come from state leagues

[mervan]

So you suggest youth players only come from state leagues

I don't know where they come from

[MFKS]

I don't know where they come from

So you query its worth yet then have no answers as to where the next generation of players are going to come from.

Ok

You sound worse than me

[mervan]

So you query its worth yet then have no answers as to where the next generation of players are going to come from.

Ok

You sound worse than me
Mkfs I throw it up for discussion, I have know answers , didn't know I had to solve world problems here sorry mate

[MFKS]

Mkfs I throw it up for discussion, I have know answers , didn't know I had to solve world problems here sorry mate

So you throw it up for discussion

Have an opinion on it one way but can't justify it with any solutions and are quick to shout down anyone who objects.


You need to run for politics brother

[joel31]

How about we get rid of kids in football altogether since they're unproven and too high risk?

[q-money]

i reckon they should put the fozzle in charge

[GazFish35]

So you throw it up for discussion

Have an opinion on it one way but can't justify it with any solutions and are quick to shout down anyone who objects.


You need to run for politics brother

Hahahaha!

Pot.... kettle..... black.

Fill in the blanks yourself! ��

[MFKS]

Hahahaha!

Pot.... kettle..... black.

Fill in the blanks yourself! ��

Hey he sounds worse than I do.

What can I do but call him on it ***

[stopper2]

Some kicking up a stink because the import quota drops to four next year I believe. I am all for bringing in quality imports but we've had a lot of rubbish imports too over the years who have been brought into the A League and taking the spot of developing a local player, this I believe will eventually have a detrimental impact to the game here (and probably already has). Mervan raises some good points as probably to a certain extent many of the clubs have that line of thinking to a certain extent. To get rid of the Youth League would be a backwards step though, it would be suicide for the long term future of the game in Australia.

[hawk]

The 2015–16 season will have a shortened format reducing from 18 games per team to 8 and a Grand Final. The existing ten NYL teams will be divided into two conferences of five teams. Conference A will consist of teams from WA, SA, Victoria and Queensland, while teams from ACT and NSW will be placed in Conference B. All teams will play all other teams in their group both home and away. After the home and away series a Grand Final will be played between the top teams from each conference

8 games then a GF? the league is almost non existant.

Youth need expertise training but they also need to experience the hardness of senior football from 16/17 onwards.

maybe play the the shortened npl season then sign up with a local State Prem team and be guaranteed game time

[MFKS]

8 games then a GF? the league is almost non existant.

Youth need expertise training but they also need to experience the hardness of senior football from 16/17 onwards.

maybe play the the shortened npl season then sign up with a local State Prem team and be guaranteed game time

All 9 Australian sides will be playing during winter in the local state league and then playing in this 8 game fiasco

**** knows exactly what they are doing for the rest of the HAL season.

MAybe they going to have a 4 month pre season for the State League??

Whatever it is a totally ****ed idea.


In the NSL they had a National Yoof League who played every week before the seniors.

In this day and age with modern professionalism and the increased money they can't have it.

Something is obviously wrong with the model

[GazFish35]

PFA wanting too much of the pie, not leaving enough for game development.

[The Postman]

In a country where the majority of clubs have HAL, Womens and Youth teams you would think that they could somehow get all 3 playing on the same day at the same ground.

[Pico]

Personally I'd love to see the youth league expanded to include the best teams from the various state NPL's, to create a national second division, you could still operate in conferences to reduce travel burdens as well.

Essentially turn the youth league into a national second division where the NPL clubs would earn their spot by finishing top of their respective state NPL and could field what ever age players they wish. HAL teams would field their standard youth team. Sure some might say that the older more experienced NPL teams should find the youth league competition weaker and dominate, but it could be a good way of testing youth league players against not only similar youth level experienced teams but also creating a more realistic testing development environment which includes more seasoned veterans. It would also give the NPL clubs, players & most importantly coaches somewhere to showcase their abilities, might avoid the situation of having an untried Stubbins like appointment in future.

[stopper2]

Personally I'd love to see the youth league expanded to include the best teams from the various state NPL's, to create a national second division, you could still operate in conferences to reduce travel burdens as well.

Essentially turn the youth league into a national second division where the NPL clubs would earn their spot by finishing top of their respective state NPL and could field what ever age players they wish. HAL teams would field their standard youth team. Sure some might say that the older more experienced NPL teams should find the youth league competition weaker and dominate, but it could be a good way of testing youth league players against not only similar youth level experienced teams but also creating a more realistic testing development environment which includes more seasoned veterans. It would also give the NPL clubs, players & most importantly coaches somewhere to showcase their abilities, might avoid the situation of having an untried Stubbins like appointment in future.

Has some merits but overall the point of having a 2nd Division is ultimately linked with also having promotion and relegation.

[Thomas477]

Plus do you reckon the likes of WA sides would want to fly across the country every other week? They'd go broke!

[stopper2]

Finding a trend in the last couple of years where some of the NPL clubs aren't really promoting their own players coming through 19's and 22's into First grade but are using the Emerging Jets/Youth as their "development" provider of players. More and more players are coming from the Jets program and going straight into either 22's and 1st grade to NPL clubs which is starting to have the effect where players 20-21 who have not made the cut to either 22's or 1st grade are going to NEW FM. Have no doubt that this pattern willl continue as players who have been in the Emerging Jets program for 2,3, 4 years have are technically better than average and used to playing against older players since they were 15 or so.
Will be interesting to see if this trend has the effect of improving the standard of the NNSW NPL in coming years also.

[GO AWAY]

Have we played this eight game fiasco yet ? How have we been going ?

[hawk]

Have we played this eight game fiasco yet ? How have we been going ?

good

parents have forked out ave $1000 per game, 1st 2 weeks is devoted to hair style, 3 weeks dedicated to wearing neat fitted Jets clothes around town so people can be impressed, training has lots of devices to touch and football speak like channels. 2 weeks of getting kicked and sledged by local teams (better now than later). And I hope they do well and make our 1sts

[GO AWAY]

good

parents have forked out ave $1000 per game, 1st 2 weeks is devoted to hair style, 3 weeks dedicated to wearing neat fitted Jets clothes around town so people can be impressed, training has lots of devices to touch and football speak like channels. 2 weeks of getting kicked and sledged by local teams (better now than later). And I hope they do well and make our 1sts

There are kids in the team that ssssoooooo shouldnt be there but thats another debate

[stopper2]

There are kids in the team that ssssoooooo shouldnt be there but thats another debate

Why is that "another debate"? Lets discuss something different on here besides the 50 odd pages spent on whether Birraz or BK has the bigger cock!!!

[hawk]

Why is that "another debate"? Lets discuss something different on here besides the 50 odd pages spent on whether Birraz or BK has the bigger cock!!!

actually, that should be the decisive factor and end the debate. now, who is always crawling up to and suckholing to the players all the time?

btw back to youth talk

[Jetmaster]

It is a major fault with the system that inclusion is based on mum and dads income rather than talent only.

That could not happen in South America.

[MFKS]

It is a major fault with the system that inclusion is based on mum and dads income rather than talent only.

That could not happen in South America.

Reality of the situation in this country not just in football but across all industries.

It is all about someone making a $.


Whether it be useless compulsory training courses for work or football coaching. Parasites are everywhere sucking the mango big time.


Reality there is more than enough money flowing through the game in this country. Much more than in other countries that get much better results with less financial backing


When blokes playing ZPL in Newy are being paid to play before 30-50 people then you can see we have a massive problem.

Some ****er somewhere in the system always has their hand out asking for cash.

[boz-monaut]

It is a major fault with the system that inclusion is based on mum and dads income rather than talent only.

That could not happen in South America.


It is a major fault with the system that inclusion is based on mum and dads income rather than talent only.

That could not happen in South America.

and another issue is that those families with the means to support expensive training will probably prefer their kid goes into a more stable career than football once they reach their late teenage years

I mean shit, would you rather your kid go to university or do a trade, develop a career that will last them 40 years — or attempt the crap shoot of getting a minimum wage contract for an A-league club and possibly earning a salary until their mid-thirties?

they really should be aiming training at kids from lower working class families for whom becoming a professional footballer is their best shot

[The Dunster]

The problem with the parents that don't have the money is that the system is doing them a favour and they don't realise it.
Your kid doesn't need to be better than some of the kids in these so called elite programs - they need to be better than all of them.
Because unless your kid is better than all of them they have pretty much next to zero chance of ever making it as a professional footballer.
If your kid is the best then your income won't come into it because plenty of clubs / programs will offer them a place free of charge.

Now if what I am saying is wrong then the sport is truly ****ed and beyond repair.

[Premy]

Take a quick look over at the NewFM thread and then you can see the depth of the problem. Blokes complaining that Kids get to play football for free. Maybe if your Club didn't pay a bunch of nobodies to win a micky mouse trophy and instead put those resources to better use and develop Coaches and Young Footballers then your Club and Football in Australia would be in a better position.

[boz-monaut]

exactly

youth development and junior coaching should be the priority of all community clubs - for anyone to cop flack for that shows short sightedness and stupidity