2016 National Premier League thread

[Lofty]

"Sometimes it’s hard to compete with some of the legs of the younger guys,” he said.

“The brain still works but the body doesn’t work as quick as you want."

His 28 and talking like his 38.

Doesn't make much sense. I'm 27 and I'm fitter, faster and more mobile I've ever been. Admittedly it's because I've completely changed my training but maybe if he wants to compete in the mobility side of things he needs to do a bit more off the pitch. 28 years old always seems to be the number people throw around as being in their prime. He sounds like he's getting ready to retire!

[cobra23]

Doesn't make much sense. I'm 27 and I'm fitter, faster and more mobile I've ever been. Admittedly it's because I've completely changed my training but maybe if he wants to compete in the mobility side of things he needs to do a bit more off the pitch. 28 years old always seems to be the number people throw around as being in their prime. He sounds like he's getting ready to retire!

To Be fair,

The game is getting very quick and fitness is now a key to starting ,
I cant think of too many 28 - 30plus year olds that are quick and as fit as these 20 -22 year boys.

Plus i have never seen jarryd as being quick and fit even playing for southy

[magician]

Doesn't make much sense. I'm 27 and I'm fitter, faster and more mobile I've ever been. Admittedly it's because I've completely changed my training but maybe if he wants to compete in the mobility side of things he needs to do a bit more off the pitch. 28 years old always seems to be the number people throw around as being in their prime. He sounds like he's getting ready to retire!
Give yourself a high 5

[RAM]

Give yourself a high 5

:rof:

[Lofty]

Give yourself a high 5

EAD :popcorn:

[winner]

Doesn't make much sense. I'm 27 and I'm fitter, faster and more mobile I've ever been. Admittedly it's because I've completely changed my training but maybe if he wants to compete in the mobility side of things he needs to do a bit more off the pitch. 28 years old always seems to be the number people throw around as being in their prime. He sounds like he's getting ready to retire!

Aren't you a superstar Lukee. The guy has played more 1st grade games then you could dream of. Give yourself another high 5 bro

[Why Blue]

Well I know of 6-7 17yo/18yo playing in 22s, including one getting first grade time, who defeated Valentine, then had a draw with the so called "elite " 18yo"s of NNSW, so there must be some talent coming through. Some good kids coming through in the 19s, if they all stick to the ONE club, and don't go club hopping or playing Newfm First grade because its " First Grade " the club will be in good shape.

I also saw CCB had a 15yo playing 22's against jets
Nice to see kids getting ago

Now you have to keep them or bring in 28yo's from other clubs benches

[immersion]

To Be fair,

The game is getting very quick and fitness is now a key to starting ,
I cant think of too many 28 - 30plus year olds that are quick and as fit as these 20 -22 year boys.

Plus i have never seen jarryd as being quick and fit even playing for southy

Josh Evans is 30 or close to it and doing a pretty good job. Jacob Baily, Simon Mooney, the swans twins all must close to 28 or older. Crowel at maitland. All these guys are close to 28 or older and doing a fair job. there would be a heap doing well physically at the age of 28 or older.

I didnt want to count the old ex A-League guys, Mcbreen must close to pushing 40. Jobe is 31 or 32, leo bertos must be around 34. All these guys are in fair shape. But they do come from a pro background granted.


Doesn't make much sense. I'm 27 and I'm fitter, faster and more mobile I've ever been. Admittedly it's because I've completely changed my training but maybe if he wants to compete in the mobility side of things he needs to do a bit more off the pitch. 28 years old always seems to be the number people throw around as being in their prime. He sounds like he's getting ready to retire!

Agreed. Ronaldo is having a poor year at the age of 31. Luca Toni at the age of 38 is still banging in goals is Serie A.


His been playing in the top grade for 10 years, unlike some whipper snappers who think there good after 2 games, good collect for Azzurri

So your excuse is that he has been playing at a high level for 10 years therefore he can let the body go? He has been poor physically for 2 years now compared to where he could/should be. He obviously has other priorities that are more important than football and good on him for that. But the 10 year excuse is embarrassing.

[ForeverRed]

Aren't you a superstar Lukee. The guy has played more 1st grade games then you could dream of. Give yourself another high 5 bro

this :thumbsup

[Premy]

In no way was I trying to diminish what Jarryd has already archived at this level and I never intended to give the assumption that his no longer good enough for the NPL. I feel the same as most on here that this is a good signing for Azzurri.

I Just felt that quote was odd and somewhat funny coming from a 28 year old. As I'm sure the general consensus would feel that at 28 you should be a little more experienced and you should know what is required from yourself to have your body ready to compete at the level required.
As has been mentioned his played at this level for 10 years which is a great personal achievement. Having said that at 28 if his done the right thing then he should be at the peak of his playing career physically and technically.

[Lofty]

Aren't you a superstar Lukee. The guy has played more 1st grade games then you could dream of. Give yourself another high 5 bro

Haha relax champ. Do people really dream to play first grade? Didn't know that was a thing. Anyway.. I didn't mean to come across like a flog beating my own drum. Probably could have worded better, but my main comment was that he made it sound like at 28 it's not possible to be fit and that it sounds like he's nearing retirement. 28 is far from being too old to play. Not taking away anything he's done, it's just that his quotes in the article sound like they are coming from a 38 year old.

[Lofty]

this :thumbsup

You forgot the extra colon. :thumbsup:

[winner]

Haha relax champ. Do people really dream to play first grade? Didn't know that was a thing. Anyway.. I didn't mean to come across like a flog beating my own drum. Probably could have worded better, but my main comment was that he made it sound like at 28 it's not possible to be fit and that it sounds like he's nearing retirement. 28 is far from being too old to play. Not taking away anything he's done, it's just that his quotes in the article sound like they are coming from a 38 year old.
No worries Lukee. I can relax now that you have got your point across. Btw, you did come across as a flog beating your own drum in your earlier post , glad you cleared that up for us. Did you actually read your first post and think to yourself " Gee, i sound like a flog " ?

[namwob99]

No worries Lukee. I can relax now that you have got your point across. Btw, you did come across as a flog beating your own drum in your earlier post , glad you cleared that up for us. Did you actually read your first post and think to yourself " Gee, i sound like a flog " ?

1. What's a flog?
2. Personally I was fine with Luke's original post. Made sense, gist of it being if he did some work off the pitch, he might stop sounding like an old man.

[winner]

1. What's a flog?
2. Personally I was fine with Luke's original post. Made sense, gist of it being if he did some work off the pitch, he might stop sounding like an old man.

Flog was Luke's word,namwob. I was only plagiarising. If that's an accepted word on here Tonester

[onlooker]

I must have read the thread wrong I was under the assumption we where here to talk about NPL football and not continually get side tracked with trivial crap like spelling and such. It's becoming painful.

Good pick up by CCB.
Any news on Pratts destination?

[monz6]

Haha relax champ. Do people really dream to play first grade? Didn't know that was a thing. Anyway.. I didn't mean to come across like a flog beating my own drum. Probably could have worded better, but my main comment was that he made it sound like at 28 it's not possible to be fit and that it sounds like he's nearing retirement. 28 is far from being too old to play. Not taking away anything he's done, it's just that his quotes in the article sound like they are coming from a 38 year old.

Don't apologise.. if that's the worst thing you say on here you have nothing to worry about. compared to what some of the blokes who have had a go at you about it have said on here hahaha. Necks must get sore looking up at the club you support

[Tonester]

Flog was Luke's word,namwob. I was only plagiarising. If that's an accepted word on here Tonester
Top shelf I reckon, certainly got Premy covered with his misuse of his instead of he's.Must admit namwob is new to me, must go check the Thesaurus!

[prawnhead]

Top shelf I reckon, certainly got Premy covered with his misuse of his instead of he's.Must admit namwob is new to me, must go check the Thesaurus!

You have no space after "he's" and before "Must" Tonester.

[Goatscheese]

You have no space after "he's" and before "Must" Tonester.

He really does have terrible grammar.

Meanwhile with Clarke's appeal to be heard by the FFA tomorrow, anyone fancying his chances of being able to kit up for Maitland this weekend?

[winner]

He really does have terrible grammar.


Meanwhile with Clarke's appeal to be heard by the FFA tomorrow, anyone fancying his chances of being able to kit up for Maitland this weekend?
No chance. Whilst we are on Maitland, has anyone else seen the Crowell elbow on the Herald website. Just watched the video. How is that not a red card. I hope the ref in question is dropped

[onlooker]

No chance. Whilst we are on Maitland, has anyone else seen the Crowell elbow on the Herald website. Just watched the video. How is that not a red card. I hope the ref in question is dropped

I thought the same thing, I'd love to hear the explication as to why it was only a yellow.

[winner]

I thought the same thing, I'd love to hear the explication as to why it was only a yellow.

Sills is right in the article. Now that all games are on bar tv, clubs or the judiciary should be able to use the footage to stamp this crap out. What if the kid gets a broken jaw out of it. You can see Matt Thomson signalling the bench after it saying get Crowell off

[onlooker]

Sills is right in the article. Now that all games are on bar tv, clubs or the judiciary should be able to use the footage to stamp this crap out. What if the kid gets a broken jaw out of it. You can see Matt Thomson signalling the bench after it saying get Crowell off
Exactly right. He should be ruled out for a few weeks, more then what ever Heffernan will end up with. not they type of example you want your senior players to be setting.

[Tonester]

You have no space after "he's" and before "Must" Tonester.

Grammatically correct, there is a full stop.

[The Magician]

Exactly right. He should be ruled out for a few weeks, more then what ever Heffernan will end up with. not they type of example you want your senior players to be setting.

Sounds like the refs are showing leniency to our former A-league players in the comp again for terrible discipline and outright outrageous challenges. Nothing new or to get surprised about, Herfield ended three seasons last year and didnt even get a card for his efforts. Heffernan must be a new inclusion to the IUCN protected species list.

[GO AWAY]

Looking forward to Anzac weekend games on Sunday between Maitland and Azzuri, full day planned by the Maitland Club including the U17 playing before the U19 as well as Anzac Day festivities.

http://www.charlestowncityblues.com/

[The Magician]

Clarke wins appeal.... FFA overturns NNSWF's suspension.... now only has to serve 4 weeks... big slap in face to NNSWF, Macquarie Football watch out! lol

[MFKS]

Clarke wins appeal.... FFA overturns NNSWF's suspension.... now only has to serve 4 weeks... big slap in face to NNSWF, Macquarie Football watch out! lol

****ing lolz all round.

How did they **** this up so much ??

[ForeverRed]

Good decision, those at the FFA know their stuff, good job PFA

[mervan]

Good decision, those at the FFA know their stuff, good job PFA

I don't understand, he was a ring in, just like fine cotton, am I missing something.

Pleas explain, red or someone

[immersion]

Clarke wins appeal.... FFA overturns NNSWF's suspension.... now only has to serve 4 weeks... big slap in face to NNSWF, Macquarie Football watch out! lol

My personal opinion is this is ridiculous. He should miss the season. that's my opinion. He tried to cheat the game and luckily failed, but that doesnt detract from the cheating act he committed. Then bringing the game into disrepute is insane. The lies he tried put over everyone are just embarrassing for him and Northern Football in general in my opinion.

He is a lucky boy. Luckily my opinion is worthless.

[hawk]

FFa also thinks nnsw is a joke

[Goatscheese]

I don't understand, he was a ring in, just like fine cotton, am I missing something.

Pleas explain, red or someone

It makes Northern look the monkey, therefore it is good.

Though now he is off the hook wonder if he will make the same comments to the paper and social media that got him in this mess (after the cheating incident) or if he will go down the same road.

[Tonester]

It makes Northern look the monkey, therefore it is good.

Though now he is off the hook wonder if he will make the same comments to the paper and social media that got him in this mess (after the cheating incident) or if he will go down the same road.

Sorry but your post just repeats itself. If one of my students gave me this it would be straight in the bin.Just proof read before posting, that's all, please.

[ForeverRed]

I don't understand, he was a ring in, just like fine cotton, am I missing something.

Pleas explain, red or someone

I just thought it was a good decision, 12 months was a ridiculous amount for the crime, Good to see the PFA in support

[Newy]

I don't understand, he was a ring in, just like fine cotton, am I missing something.

Pleas explain, red or someone

Northern didn't know their own rules and tried to forge a 12 month ban.

Have also heard Reece Thompson had his suspension wiped

[Premy]

I just thought it was a good decision, 12 months was a ridiculous amount for the crime, Good to see the PFA in support
Have to disagree.
NNSW set a good precedent and sent a clear message that cheating won't be tolerated. Now players can try their luck and know if they get caught it's only and 4-6 week suspension.

[Newy]

Have to disagree.
NNSW set a good precedent and sent a clear message that cheating won't be tolerated. Now players can try their luck and know if they get caught it's only and 4-6 week suspension.

It's not the player at fault for playing.. It's the club for playing an ineligible player.

If Hamilton Olympic don't register Kane Goodchild but he plays its Hamilton Olympic who are at fault... Not Kane

[Newy]

It's not the player at fault for playing.. It's the club for playing an ineligible player.

If Hamilton Olympic don't register Kane Goodchild but he plays its Hamilton Olympic who are at fault... Not Kane

And you would think Northern would of known this before trying to make an example out of a player which has now made them look silly

[Newy]

I just thought it was a good decision, 12 months was a ridiculous amount for the crime, Good to see the PFA in support

Agree.. 12 months for kicking a ball around in H grade when the team had 9 players and was going to forfeit.

He was asked by the team can be quickly Fill in.
Silly mistake but to lose 12 months.. Ridiculous

[Bremsstrahlung]

How is it not the players fault?
Are you saying a junior interdistrict club should be punished because an all age team, of which is managed and coached presumably by nobody involved with the committee or official proceedings of the club, played an unregistered player from a higher division.
Your comparison to Hamilton olympic simply doesn't fit.
The team is at fault. The player is at fault. But the way interdistrict all age teams are organised, I don't believe the club should be held accountable.
The player knows better. That's why he lied about it.

[pv4]

Agree.. 12 months for kicking a ball around in H grade when the team had 9 players and was going to forfeit.

He was asked by the team can be quickly Fill in.
Silly mistake but to lose 12 months.. Ridiculous

It's not the fact he played, that deserves the 12 months. It's the fact he publicly lied about it only to backtrack when caught out.

Deserves 12 months or more IMO.

[Newy]

How is it not the players fault?
Are you saying a junior interdistrict club should be punished because an all age team, of which is managed and coached presumably by nobody involved with the committee or official proceedings of the club, played an unregistered player from a higher division.
Your comparison to Hamilton olympic simply doesn't fit.
The team is at fault. The player is at fault. But the way interdistrict all age teams are organised, I don't believe the club should be held accountable.
The player knows better. That's why he lied about it.

Sorry.
Should of said team not club

[Newy]

It's not the fact he played, that deserves the 12 months. It's the fact he publicly lied about it only to backtrack when caught out.

Deserves 12 months or more IMO.

when did he lie about it?
Pretty sure he pleaded guilty

[hamburgler]

Article in Newcastle Herald about the young kid from Queensland who has a medical condition. Good news that he is on the mend.

Absolutely nothing personal, but how pathetic is our youth development system that we continue to bring in kids from all over the place to play Jets Youth? For what was once the heartland of football, this is a disgrace to Notthern NSW Football. They should be ashamed. Makes an absolute mockery of the E. Jets.

I can draw no other conclusion on the state of our youth development other than to say it is obviously a complete basket case, and in need of a complete overhaul!

[De-Champ]

Article in Newcastle Herald about the young kid from Queensland who has a medical condition. Good news that he is on the mend.

Absolutely nothing personal, but how pathetic is our youth development system that we continue to bring in kids from all over the place to play Jets Youth? For what was once the heartland of football, this is a disgrace to Notthern NSW Football. They should be ashamed. Makes an absolute mockery of the E. Jets.

I can draw no other conclusion on the state of our youth development other than to say it is obviously a complete basket case, and in need of a complete overhaul!

I do not know how many in the youth development are from "outside" but if it si one or two why should we not have them if they are good enough.

[purplepatch]

Have a look at this page from Maitlands mercury.

http://www.maitlandmercury.com.au/story/3863870/martin-to-step-up-for-magpies/?cs=172

http://www.maitlandmercury.com.au/story/3861923/magpies-honour-maitlands-own-photos/?cs=172

[Zico]

Agree.. 12 months for kicking a ball around in H grade when the team had 9 players and was going to forfeit.

He was asked by the team can be quickly Fill in.
Silly mistake but to lose 12 months.. Ridiculous
Clearly you are Magpie supporter.
12months was far to much but 4 weeks is a joke. Maybe it was the severity of the suspension that in the end has bought NNSWF undone, I would have been comfortable with 6 months but I suppose once they take time served into account he would have already served close to or more than that anyway.

[purplepatch]

Clearly you are Magpie supporter.
12months was far to much but 4 weeks is a joke. Maybe it was the severity of the suspension that in the end has bought NNSWF undone, I would have been comfortable with 6 months but I suppose once they take time served into account he would have already served close to or more than that anyway.


Nope just a football bogan who loves the beautiful game.

[Zico]

Nope just a football bogan who loves the beautiful game.
I wasn't quoting you, read the quote I was referring to or are you a multi and forgot which account you logged into :rof:

[Premy]

when did he lie about it?
Pretty sure he pleaded guilty
On social media and to the Herald.

Also it was in a Semi-Final and he filled in for a team he had nothing to do with all season and he was registered with a completely different Club.

He cheated, the team he filled in for cheated, he got caught lying then had the nerve to criticize NNSW based on his lies yet only gets a slap on the wrist.

It's a slap in the face to all the Players, Teams, Committee and Clubs that follow the rules and now anyone can do the same and only receive a 4-6 week suspension.

[hamburgler]

I do not know how many in the youth development are from "outside" but if it si one or two why should we not have them if they are good enough.

1 or 2 agreed, there were more than that there this year.

[pv4]

when did he lie about it?
Pretty sure he pleaded guilty

Sep 13 from The Herald:


Clarke responded angrily to the allegation over the weekend, saying he was not the ineligible player and it was in fact Nic Harmon.

Clarke said he was at the game in question to watch a friend play and he had a ‘‘kick-around’’ with Adamstown before the match but did not put on an Adamstown strip and take part in the semi-final.

Harmon backed up Clarke’s statement, saying he also went to the game to watch but took the field when the team had only nine players.

Adamstown Junior Football Club treasurer and registrar Margaret Toohey said her club did not condone the fielding of unregistered players and she was determined to help officials identify the culprit.

‘‘I don’t care who it is, but I’ll definitely nail whoever it is," Toohey said.

‘‘Anyone who knows me knows I’m the world’s biggest advocate against illegal players.

‘‘They all know the rules of the game, and whoever has done this needs to be taught a good lesson.’

Nov 6 from The Herald:


Clarke told the Herald on Friday that he had not received notification of a suspension but, if he did, would ‘‘probably challenge it’’.

Jan 21 from The Herald:


"Northern NSW Football has alleged that Ryan Clarke has breached the national code of conduct by making false and misleading statements,” NNSWF boss David Eland said on Thursday. “And it’s Northern NSW Football’s view that the comments he made in the Newcastle Herald have certainly tarnished the reputation of the sport and left a lot people wondering just what’s going on.”

Asked if the alleged implication of the other player was at the heart of NNSWF’s concerns, Eland said: “It’s a false and misleading statement. That’s at the essence of it.”

Feb 2 from The Herald:


NORTHERN NSW Football is understood to have suspended Maitland first-grader Ryan Clarke for 12 months for making “misleading” public statements after he played as a ring-in in an H-grade interdistrict all-age semi-final.

Clarke was banned for 12 months in November for playing for Adamstown Junior Football Club against Kahibah in August last year.

In September, Clarke told the Herald that he did not play in the game and the illegal player was Nick Harmon, who backed up the claim.

The Herald was told Macquarie Football, which handles interdistrict discipline, had received evidence from witnesses who said Clarke was the player.

Clarke’s ban was cut to four games on appeal, but NNSWF then charged him for breaches of the FFA code of conduct.

“Ryan Clarke has been issued with a code of conduct sanction notification for breaches of the FFA national code of conduct regulations on two specific charges,” NNSWF said in a statement on Tuesday.

“The first is the making of a false claim and the second a charge for conduct, behavior or statement that materially injures the reputation and goodwill of FFA or football generally.

“Northern NSW Football through its objects is charged with the responsibility of protecting the game from abuse.

“NNSWF has determined that Mr Clarke made misleading statements in the public domain which falsely implicated another individual in response to an allegation that Mr Clarke participated as an ineligible player in a H-grade semi-final on 22 August 2015.

“Mr Clarke subsequently pleaded guilty to playing as an ineligible player on appeal.

“Mr Clarke’s behavior was an abuse of the game’s fundamental principles of fairness and honesty with his actions undermining the code’s integrity and reputation.”

Clarke has appealed against the new ban.

Let's be real here - it's not the fact that he played for Adamstown Allage that's the issue. It's that he publicly lied about it, only to tell the truth after he'd been caught out. The charges that NNSW are bringing down, or tried to, are for bringing the game into disrepute with misleading and false comments.

[GO AWAY]

Sep 13 from The Herald:



Nov 6 from The Herald:



Jan 21 from The Herald:



Feb 2 from The Herald:



Let's be real here - it's not the fact that he played for Adamstown Allage that's the issue. It's that he publicly lied about it, only to tell the truth after he'd been caught out. The charges that NNSW are bringing down, or tried to, are for bringing the game into disrepute with misleading and false comments.

Wow, says it all doesn't it.
Unfortunately talking about in on a forum isn't going to change the outcome, just sets a precedence for any future NNSW disrepute claims.
Can he play on Sunday ?

[Newy]

Sep 13 from The Herald:



Nov 6 from The Herald:



Jan 21 from The Herald:



Feb 2 from The Herald:



Let's be real here - it's not the fact that he played for Adamstown Allage that's the issue. It's that he publicly lied about it, only to tell the truth after he'd been caught out. The charges that NNSW are bringing down, or tried to, are for bringing the game into disrepute with misleading and false comments.


ok... I was told differently. wil say there doesn't seem to be any direct quotes though.

[pv4]

ok... I was told differently. wil say there doesn't seem to be any direct quotes though.

With Clarke all lawyered up etc you'd think if any of the articles had false comments, he'd be going after The Herald for slander. I guess if that's the case, we'll hear about that soon too.

[ForeverRed]

Article in Newcastle Herald about the young kid from Queensland who has a medical condition. Good news that he is on the mend.

Absolutely nothing personal, but how pathetic is our youth development system that we continue to bring in kids from all over the place to play Jets Youth? For what was once the heartland of football, this is a disgrace to Notthern NSW Football. They should be ashamed. Makes an absolute mockery of the E. Jets.

I can draw no other conclusion on the state of our youth development other than to say it is obviously a complete basket case, and in need of a complete overhaul!

Nearly all the local NPL clubs bring players in from outside the region, does this mean their youth policy doesn't work, can't see much difference to what the e jets are doing

[GO AWAY]

Edgeworth 6 Jets Youth 1
Olympic 2 Jaffas 2
Buds 3 Valo 1
Magic 4 Weston 2
Azzuri 2 Maitland 1

Really think Azzuri v Maitland will be match of the round

[Local Rules]

Let's be real here - it's not the fact that he played for Adamstown Allage that's the issue. It's that he publicly lied about it, only to tell the truth after he'd been caught out. The charges that NNSW are bringing down, or tried to, are for bringing the game into disrepute with misleading and false comments.[/QUOTE]

All the complaining in the world won't change this but NNSWFF have crapped in their own nest by changing the original decision by the Interdistrict board rather than supporting the association in its original decision to ban him for twelve months. Once again NNSWFF have put the elite NPL competition above the correct moral decision and shown the contempt they have for those who are the backbone of the region. They need to realise that without the players from these districts their lavish lifestyle in their ivory tower would be non-existent.

[terryk]

Clarke wins appeal.... FFA overturns NNSWF's suspension.... now only has to serve 4 weeks... big slap in face to NNSWF, Macquarie Football watch out! lol

I thinks it's very clear that Northern through its Match Review / Diciplinary Committee have shown gross incompetence and a total lack of understanding or respect for their own laws. And further I'm not sure how you can make an example of anybody and not have some form of political interference to enable that objective, for eg. David Eland approached the Diciplinary Committee and advised them to throw the book at him. Of course problem is that most if not all violations of the code of the game have pre determined outcomes and fines and to go above and beyond this then automatically gives the impression that the committee can make abitrary decisions which once again means there has been some sort of interference in the process. I think it would be more than fair to say that the current Committee Chairman who I believe is also a Match Day Commissioner is totally under qualified for the task, has made decisions that lack consistency and balance, and further has a bias to certain clubs from where he was affiliated. Might be time to bring in a professional with qualifications and an understanding of how a proper consistent and legal approach to the Diciplinary Committee should be handled and run.

In my opinion the FFA decision is slap in the face for Northern and the way they administer the competition. When I look at Football NSW and the way the run their game, for the good of the game, and the good of the clubs who the players play for, I can only cringe at the poor quality Leadership we have in our Region. Northern and the Board seem to operate for the good of Northern and the Board, and the local clubs can suffer.

[The Acolyte]

An interesting point by Alan Nisbet regarding using BAR tv footage to review foul play. While he is correct when he says sometimes it's inconclusive, there are many times it shows the exact incident. In the course of the game the players are unaware of what has been captured on video, so in the same way that random breath testing changed the behaviour of drivers, the chance that your foul play is on film will change the behaviour of player

[The Acolyte]

Clarke should have got 12 months and the team he rung in for should be playing for no points in the next competition they play in, Every player in that team was aware of the ring in, and any that didn't agree could have voted with their feet. Some fools on this forum seem to think that this was a game of backyard football. H grade or Z grade it's all the same , the players pay their registration, which includes an insurance component. If a ring in causes a serious injury to a player, where does that leave him, up shit creek I reckon. Consider then that the injured player may have 3 or 4 kids and is off work for an extended period, this then becomes a civil matter. If this bloke is lawyered up as someone pointed out he would be aware of this. So a harmless prank in an unimportant H grade competition as some on here would have us believe, isn't without possible dire consequences. Every registered player should be confident that they have the protection that registration supplies, with the penalty now set at 4 weeks the ring ins hardly need to bother what coloured outfit they're wearing.

[Fairgo]

Edgy 4 Jets Y 2

[Football lover]

Edgy 4 Jets Y 2



Could have been a few more.

Japanese fella looks really sharp.

[MFKS]

So there any reason we have no games on this public holiday ??

[Goatscheese]

It's not the player at fault for playing.. It's the club for playing an ineligible player.

If Hamilton Olympic don't register Kane Goodchild but he plays its Hamilton Olympic who are at fault... Not Kane

There is a big difference between playing in a semi-final for a team that you have had no association with all season and playing in round 1 for a team you have been selected for and training with all preseason.

[Goatscheese]

All the complaining in the world won't change this but NNSWFF have crapped in their own nest by changing the original decision by the Interdistrict board rather than supporting the association in its original decision to ban him for twelve months. Once again NNSWFF have put the elite NPL competition above the correct moral decision and shown the contempt they have for those who are the backbone of the region. They need to realise that without the players from these districts their lavish lifestyle in their ivory tower would be non-existent.

They didn't ban him for playing in the game that was Macquarie Football, they banned him for comments he made to the media which included his lies about not playing and comments he made on social media about association officials.


the team he rung in for should be playing for no points in the next competition they play in

Probably be a bit hard to do that considering the players have probably gone to other clubs and or not playing at all. Looking at the club in question this year they only have two All-Age teams, their A-grade squad and their C grade squad. I know a couple of the guys in the C grade squad and they were in D last year so the players aren't even playing for the same club and I doubt they have all moved as a unit to another. Newcastle did the only thing they could do and disqualify them from the competition.

[Tonester]

Convincing win 3-0 to Olympic today. Goodchild scored all three.

[prawnhead]

Convincing win 3-0 to Olympic today. Goodchild scored all three.

Pascoe wouldn't have expected Bolchy dishing that up. Good result for Olympic.

[Lofty]

So there any reason we have no games on this public holiday ??

Probably because it would be an absolute stitch up to make a club play on Anzac Day. I highly doubt anyone would volunteer to host a game on the day. Good for spectators and that's about it.

[ForeverRed]

Zero sport should be played on Anzac Day, my thoughts only

[JCBT]

Zero sport should be played on Anzac Day, my thoughts only
I have read plenty on this forum and I rarely agree with the content of your posts but this is something that I 100% agree with and back you. I would be disgusted if any club requested a game on Anzac Day, it's one day that we should all pay our respects to the people who fell and served to give us the freedom we currently have.

[MFKS]

I have read plenty on this forum and I rarely agree with the content of your posts but this is something that I 100% agree with and back you. I would be disgusted if any club requested a game on Anzac Day, it's one day that we should all pay our respects to the people who fell and served to give us the freedom we currently have.

So you can't go to a dawn service and pay your respects and then go watch some football in the afternoon??

Clubs should have been volunteering for this date.

Would have got a much healthier crowd of neutrals turning up

As for being disgusted about clubs requesting games on this date go tell that to all the people who go watch TardBall and NRL on this date.

They don't give a ****

[Tonester]

So you can't go to a dawn service and pay your respects and then go watch some football in the afternoon??

Clubs should have been volunteering for this date.

Would have got a much healthier crowd of neutrals turning up

As for being disgusted about clubs requesting games on this date go tell that to all the people who go watch TardBall and NRL on this date.

They don't give a ****
I'm with you, as far as I'm concerned you're 100%right. All other codes do it, it's good enough to play on Good Friday so what's the difference.

[Premy]

I'm with you, as far as I'm concerned you're 100%right. All other codes do it, it's good enough to play on Good Friday so what's the difference.

One is about a Historic Pagen God of fertility. Which in turn Christians made their own little story about one of their Prophets that supposedly was killed only to rise from death a few days later. This one generally has no meaning to most Australians and most Australians are just happy to have 4 days of Work.

The other holds great significance to our Nation and is a time for all Australians and New Zealanders to pay their respects to many of brave men and women who have defend our Nations and the Nations of others. A time to say thanks and a time to pay homage to those that paid the ultimate sacrifice so that we can all live freely in our great Nation.

[plague]

One is about a Historic Pagen God of fertility. Which in turn Christians made their own little story about one of their Prophets that supposedly was killed only to rise from death a few days later. This one generally has no meaning to most Australians and most Australians are just happy to have 4 days of Work.


#wellactually I think you'll find it's about a very large rabbit that delivers chocolate to your house as a way of saying 'good job' for the first quarter of the year.

[Tonester]

One is about a Historic Pagen God of fertility. Which in turn Christians made their own little story about one of their Prophets that supposedly was killed only to rise from death a few days later. This one generally has no meaning to most Australians and most Australians are just happy to have 4 days of Work.

The other holds great significance to our Nation and is a time for all Australians and New Zealanders to pay their respects to many of brave men and women who have defend our Nations and the Nations of others. A time to say thanks and a time to pay homage to those that paid the ultimate sacrifice so that we can all live freely in our great Nation.
As a lecturer in Political Science and Modern History I find your views on both subjects misguided and ignorant.That said all the more reason to partake in an Aussie passion which those same Australian diggers you commented on and have a game of football. Better than being at the pub with the drunken hordes participating in an illegal game of two up.

[Tonester]

#wellactually I think you'll find it's about a very large rabbit that delivers chocolate to your house as a way of saying 'good job' for the first quarter of the year.

Very good, best post on here in ages.

[Premy]

As a lecturer in Political Science and Modern History I find your views on both subjects misguided and ignorant.That said all the more reason to partake in an Aussie passion which those same Australian diggers you commented on and have a game of football. Better than being at the pub with the drunken hordes participating in an illegal game of two up.
Personal thoughts on you aside.

Misguided and Ignorant for paying homage to past and present armed service men on ANZAC day? Yeah that'll do me.

Edit:
Oh and I never commented on weather or not Football should be played on ANZAC day. So I don't know why you made the comparison whilst quoting me.

[Premy]

#wellactually I think you'll find it's about a very large rabbit that delivers chocolate to your house as a way of saying 'good job' for the first quarter of the year.
:gent:

[winner]

Are all 3 games on today ? Maitland and Charlestown. Adamstown and Valentine. Weston and Magic ?

[Tonester]

Personal thoughts on you aside.

Misguided and Ignorant for paying homage to past and present armed service men on ANZAC day? Yeah that'll do me.

Edit:
Oh and I never commented on weather or not Football should be played on ANZAC day. So I don't know why you made the comparison whilst quoting me.

Just saying your post as usual is riddled with error, nothing personal ok 👍

[MFKS]

Are all 3 games on today ? Maitland and Charlestown. Adamstown and Valentine. Weston and Magic ?

Buds v Valo is first grade only

I am at Maitland and they are playing 19s now

I not know about Weston V Magic but the pitch there is probably the best for drainage so I would assume it is on

[Tonester]

Any idea what Bar TV are covering today?

[monz6]

Any idea what Bar TV are covering today?

Assuming all games will be covered but none live as they did edgy vs jets Friday

[Tonester]

Assuming all games will be covered but none live as they did edgy vs jets Friday

Cheers for that, sounds about right.

[Tonester]

So what's happening around the grounds guys?

[MFKS]

1-0 Azurri at HT

Goal on the stroke of HT

Pretty average game to be fair with not a lot happening


Azurri won 22s 3-0 and 19s 2-1

[MFKS]

1-1 Maitland V Azzurri FT

Matt Thompson with a 25 yard free kick in injury time to level it up

[mervan]

Valentine 0 Adamstown 2

A foul fest, Berlins goal a cracker, Valo couldn't break Adamstown

Ps Berlins penalty save wasn't bad either ( carter another red, this time an off the ball incident with the 18 year old defender from Valo)

[2285]

Magic V Weston 0-0

[mervan]

Valentine 0 Adamstown 2

A foul fest, Berlins goal a cracker, Valo couldn't break Adamstown

Ps Berlins penalty save wasn't bad either ( carter another red, this time an off the ball incident with the 18 year old defender from Valo)

I threw away 10 bucks going to watch this rubbish today, absolute garbage football

[ForeverRed]

I'm hearing you

[mervan]

I'm hearing you

Are we expecting too much?

I was looking forward to this season, I don't really have a team in NPL, tend to go along a neutral each week looking for decent game but have been underwhelmed so far

[ForeverRed]

Same hear, I choose a game I can get to but been a bit disappointed so far, hopefully improve quickly

[winner]

Are we expecting too much?

I was looking forward to this season, I don't really have a team in NPL, tend to go along a neutral each week looking for decent game but have been underwhelmed so far

What do you expect when you go to watch the worst 2 teams in the comp mervan. Get yourself along to edgy v magic next Sunday

[Premy]

Just saying your post as usual is riddled with error, nothing personal ok ��

No you said I was misguided and ignorant.
Don't try to back track from your previous statement and please explain?
How am I Misguided and Ignorant for paying homage to past and present armed service men on ANZAC day?

[WolfMan]

No you said I was misguided and ignorant.
Don't try to back track from your previous statement and please explain?
How am I Misguided and Ignorant for paying homage to past and present armed service men on ANZAC day?

It could be simply the spelling and grammatical errors he is referring to? But I'm just guessing

Anyway, each to their own as far as sombre days and the sporting landscape.

For the record, my own personal view is that I'd love to see no sports played at any level on a day like today. I can see however the point of those that want to display the freedoms which we are lucky to have been afforded due to our ancestors.

[MFKS]

Are we expecting too much?

I was looking forward to this season, I don't really have a team in NPL, tend to go along a neutral each week looking for decent game but have been underwhelmed so far

I been to 3 games now.

Weston V Jets 3-3
Olympic V Buds 3-1
Maitland V Azzurri 1-1

So have seen some goals but haven't seen any captivating contests as such
Yesterday If it wasn't for the cold wind blowing at Cooks Square I probably fell asleep such was how boring it was

[GO AWAY]

U19 azzuri 2 maitland 1 (dudman, steel)
U22 Azzuri 3 maitland. 0 ( Purcell, Sansom, Cook)
1st Azzuri 1 Maitland 1 ( ferguson)
Good day put on by the maitland club
Bradshaw broken wrist after ten minutes..

[immersion]

People thoughts on this decision? The link takes you right to the moment.

https://youtu.be/XzESmQjHljE?t=2275

Personally i am happy the PEN was missed as it looks to be a poor decision IMO. Attacker tries to run through the defender who is goal side. Greg from Weston is built like a brick **** house. I think it was a terrible decision. The attacker was never getting that ball defender had all the positioning.

What do you all think.

[purplepatch]

With regards to Anzac day. Any historian will quite rightly show or tell you that football was played by the Anzacs at Gallipoli or other places whilst battles were going on. At Gallipoli to show the Turks that everything was as normal. In England and France and elsewhere. Australians v French. Australians v British and Australians v Germans in POW camps during WW1 and WW11. Perhaps engaging our football heritage with the local football community would serve us better and give families an alternative to the iconic Australian pub and two up games. Hopefully next year a club, like Maitland who held an Anzac Service yesterday was worthy of note. Bar TV even have the ceremony recorded. Just a thought.

[NUGUNS]

People thoughts on this decision? The link takes you right to the moment.

https://youtu.be/XzESmQjHljE?t=2275

Personally i am happy the PEN was missed as it looks to be a poor decision IMO. Attacker tries to run through the defender who is goal side. Greg from Weston is built like a brick **** house. I think it was a terrible decision. The attacker was never getting that ball defender had all the positioning.

What do you all think.

Looked like a bloke running into a bloke and falling over. No pen IMO.

[Goatscheese]

People thoughts on this decision? The link takes you right to the moment.

https://youtu.be/XzESmQjHljE?t=2275

Personally i am happy the PEN was missed as it looks to be a poor decision IMO. Attacker tries to run through the defender who is goal side. Greg from Weston is built like a brick **** house. I think it was a terrible decision. The attacker was never getting that ball defender had all the positioning.

What do you all think.

Attacker did milk it, but the defender did put push the bloke downwards.

[onlooker]

People thoughts on this decision? The link takes you right to the moment.

https://youtu.be/XzESmQjHljE?t=2275

Personally i am happy the PEN was missed as it looks to be a poor decision IMO. Attacker tries to run through the defender who is goal side. Greg from Weston is built like a brick **** house. I think it was a terrible decision. The attacker was never getting that ball defender had all the positioning.

What do you all think.
No pen but great save from BK

[ForeverRed]

The ref awarded a penalty, therefore its a penalty, full stop

[MFKS]

With regards to Anzac day. Any historian will quite rightly show or tell you that football was played by the Anzacs at Gallipoli or other places whilst battles were going on. At Gallipoli to show the Turks that everything was as normal. In England and France and elsewhere. Australians v French. Australians v British and Australians v Germans in POW camps during WW1 and WW11. Perhaps engaging our football heritage with the local football community would serve us better and give families an alternative to the iconic Australian pub and two up games. Hopefully next year a club, like Maitland who held an Anzac Service yesterday was worthy of note. Bar TV even have the ceremony recorded. Just a thought.

Been to games before on Anzac Day.Being it fell on a Monday this year I am baffled why there wasn't a game on at all.

Plenty of people went and watched the Knights play and it seems rather stupid to not have any game on this day.

People are looking for stuff to do in the arvo

Cater to the people

Not 1 game in New FM or NPL on a public holiday.

Incompetence from Northern if you ask me

Hell I remember a couple of years ago I went to games on Good Friday and Anzac Day in the same season

[MFKS]

I taking it was James Virgili who got the penalty??

Also why is Kale not taking pens for Magic??

Kid takes a pretty good penalty

[immersion]

The ref awarded a penalty, therefore its a penalty, full stop

Fantastic reply :deadhorse:

Hopefully the referees are using BarTV coverage to improve their game. Because i think it's a great tool for them. They often screw up decisions which cost teams point IMO.

[cobra23]

I taking it was James Virgili who got the penalty??

Also why is Kale not taking pens for Magic??

Kid takes a pretty good penalty

Haynsey is by far one of the best penalty takers in the league, and has been for at least 10 years now.
but have to admit, it was probably the softest pen he took. he normally slams them in.

[judge]

None from 2, maybe time to hand the responsibility over.
Haynsey is by far one of the best penalty takers in the league, and has been for at least 10 years now.
but have to admit, it was probably the softest pen he took. he normally slams them in.

[cobra23]

None from 2, maybe time to hand the responsibility over.

maybe no one else wants to take them.
someone tell christiano ronaldo to hand over his dutys - so far this season 3 missed - 8 scored
or even better, MESSI - 4 scored - 4 missed
might look easy but fu@k me the keeper picked the right way.

[immersion]

Haynsey is by far one of the best penalty takers in the league, and has been for at least 10 years now.
but have to admit, it was probably the softest pen he took. he normally slams them in.

He has missed a fair few over the years.

[immersion]

maybe no one else wants to take them.
someone tell christiano ronaldo to hand over his dutys - so far this season 3 missed - 8 scored
or even better, MESSI - 4 scored - 4 missed
might look easy but fu@k me the keeper picked the right way.

With the video analysis people have access to at that level it must be a nightmare to take them. Keepers looking at the probability of which direction than becoming familar with the takers technique. Maybe a penalty rotation policy would work well at that level?

[pv4]

With the video analysis people have access to at that level it must be a nightmare to take them. Keepers looking at the probability of which direction than becoming familar with the takers technique. Maybe a penalty rotation policy would work well at that level?

IMO just go with one bloke until he misses one. Then let the next bloke have a go.

[cobra23]

He has missed a fair few over the years.

and has scored a lot more, i have been around the club for at least 10 or so years now and fair dinkum can only count his miss pens on one hand.
enlighten us with ALL those miss pens immersion.

[cobra23]

IMO just go with one bloke until he misses one. Then let the next bloke have a go.

its not under 10's mate,

[GO AWAY]

CCB v Adamstown games brought forward an hour so players can watch A-League GF, good initiative, hope all clubs do the same so our players can watch the GF

[immersion]

and has scored a lot more, i have been around the club for at least 10 or so years now and fair dinkum can only count his miss pens on one hand.
enlighten us with ALL those miss pens immersion.

My memory isnt what it used to be but here are 3 i can remember:

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3131130/pratt-saves-the-day-as-weston-down-eagles/

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2295827/magic-chase-cup-quarters-without-their-leading-man/

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3867030/olympic-defender-moves-to-victoria/

And as every match isnt covered in the herald (even less coverage in Peter's early days) you would have to assume he has missed more than these 3. If reporting was better i would be able to track them down for you. Though as a die hard magic support er i know this won't prove anything to you.

[MFKS]

Haynsey is by far one of the best penalty takers in the league, and has been for at least 10 years now.
but have to admit, it was probably the softest pen he took. he normally slams them in.

I have seen Kale take plenty when he played for the Jets. Don't recall him missing any of them

I wouldn't think he would be gun-shy about taking them.

His technique is pretty good.

He generally hits them well enough that when the keeper goes the right way he still isn't getting them.

Which is what you want when taking pens. A strong hit into the goal the keeper ain't ever stopping

Just find it bizarre he isn't taking them as I have seen Haynes take them before but feel Kale is the better penalty out of the two

[GO AWAY]

Bit rough on Maitland , not letting them change to Saturday game this weekend, I think NNSW has given all clubs the option to kick off one hour earlier, but its only Azzuri that have done it ?
In saying that if a club is going to try sign so many big names, former a-league players, they might have to expect losing them here and there with commitments.
They will miss him big time, number 7 for them against azzuri went very well, not sure who he is

[ForeverRed]

It's called commitment, you are or you ain't

[GO AWAY]

It's called commitment, you are or you ain't

Well they obviously are putting these commitments, before the club they are supposedly playing for commitments.

[hamburgler]

Bit rough on Maitland , not letting them change to Saturday game this weekend, I think NNSW has given all clubs the option to kick off one hour earlier, but its only Azzuri that have done it ?
In saying that if a club is going to try sign so many big names, former a-league players, they might have to expect losing them here and there with commitments.
They will miss him big time, number 7 for them against azzuri went very well, not sure who he is

I think its Matt Comerford

[Ker-Plunk]

how does the move by brown from jaffas to Olympic affect Olympics pps ?

[magician]

how does the move by brown from jaffas to Olympic affect Olympics pps ?

Is there such a thing now

[Tonester]

Are Magic & Jaffas playing tonight?

[Football lover]

Are Magic & Jaffas playing tonight?



Magic 2/1

[Goatscheese]

Bit rough on Maitland, not letting them change to Saturday game this weekend, I think NNSW has given all clubs the option to kick off one hour earlier, but its only Azzuri that have done it ?

Both clubs had to agree to bring forward the games.

In saying that it's not as though Northern didn't know that the A-league grand final would be on this Sunday months before they complied the draw.

[GO AWAY]

Lambton 0/3 to start the season ??? Have had Magic and Olympic in there so far but.

Still think they will finish top four ......just

[MFKS]

Lambton 0/3 to start the season ??? Have had Magic and Olympic in there so far but.

Still think they will finish top four ......just

Magic Olympic and also Edgy so arguably a pretty tough first up task on paper

Not a good start but plenty of time to turn it around

[hawk]

People thoughts on this decision? The link takes you right to the moment.

https://youtu.be/XzESmQjHljE?t=2275

Personally i am happy the PEN was missed as it looks to be a poor decision IMO. Attacker tries to run through the defender who is goal side. Greg from Weston is built like a brick **** house. I think it was a terrible decision. The attacker was never getting that ball defender had all the positioning.

What do you all think.

A Vardy moment for mine, extra effort in the fall = dive. Pens are often a subjective/interpretive thought

[The Acolyte]

Three weeks each for Heffernan and Edwards, The Grasshopper should have got a bit more for bringing Martial Arts into disrepute. A very clumsy display indeed, Brown Belt at best. He should get a haircut and use the more acceptable elbow to the head until while he developes his Martial Arts skillset.

[winner]

Anyone know what time Olympic and Weston kick off tonight

[MFKS]

6pm

Chicken burger time

[MFKS]

15 mins in what shaping az a good game and Weston keeper Ben Kelly conceeds pen after bringing Goodchild down and sees red

Bertos converts and it 1-0

****ing shame really was shaping up as a good contest

Expecting a stroll now for Olympic
Olympic won 22s 2-1
Olympic won 19s 3-0

[MFKS]

2-0

Goodchild after 58 mins

Olympic making hard work of this

[MFKS]

10v 10 now with 15 to go


Ref losing the plot

Cards pilinv up

Mooney git sent for a second yellow


Not sure how you can get sent for a body check but seen it now

[MFKS]

10 v 9 now

Weston down to 9 after another second booking for **** knows what.


This bloke will be Reffing HAL next season

[ForeverRed]

Who was he second send off for Weston mate

[MFKS]

Ft 4-0

Olympic with a couple of late goals

Referee a farce

Robbie Turnbull I think was the bloke who got the second red I think

Apparently Jaffas beat Valo 2-0 earlier

[ForeverRed]

Yeah, 2 nil Jaffas with Jaffas having a player sent also

[spamg172]

Is there more reds this yr than before? Seems like one every 2nd game.

[MFKS]

What is it with referees??

I support neither Weston or Olympic

Tonight just went to Darling St to watch a match as it the only game I can watch this weekend


Game shaping up nicely as a contest

Then a red for a body check that isn't even a yellow.
How the **** you give a second yellow for something that is barely a foul beats me

By the end of the game spectators were leaving based on the ridiculous refereeing display

What a waste of my time and money

At least the chicken burger was good

[winner]

What about the last goal for Olympic by their number 10. Will be good to see the bartv replay. I think he was just inside his own half and lobbed the keeper. Fantastic strike

[mervan]

Lambton were very slick in the first half controlling the game, then held Valentine in a slow second half.

Maj. and remo hooked at halftime, maj showered and left the ground, not a good look.

[halo se7en]

Lambton were very slick in the first half controlling the game, then held Valentine in a slow second half.

Maj. and remo hooked at halftime, maj showered and left the ground, not a good look.

Is it possible he had something (extremely) important to attend and it was a game where he could afford to leave early?

[GO AWAY]

Games still on at lisle carr at the moment

[ForeverRed]

Maitland v jets is off

[mervan]

Is it possible he had something (extremely) important to attend and it was a game where he could afford to leave early?

He have had to, but he looked none too pleased as did his family.

[ForeverRed]

2 nil Azzurri half time, smith & Johnson goals

[winner]

Magic and Edgy played out an ordinary 1- 1 draw

[immersion]

Magic and Edgy played out an ordinary 1- 1 draw

as a neutral who travelled a fair way to watch this. It was an even contest. Edgy countered. Both teams had chances. A draw was a fair result IMO.

Refereeing was horrible for both sides. I'd imagine both teams would have been irritated with the standard of refereeing. Especially when the guy in charge is supposed to be the best in the competition.

[magician]

as a neutral who travelled a fair way to watch this. It was an even contest. Edgy countered. Both teams had chances. A draw was a fair result IMO.

Refereeing was horrible for both sides. I'd imagine both teams would have been irritated with the standard of refereeing. Especially when the guy in charge is supposed to be the best in the competition.
Can't comment on today's refereeing as I wasn't there but witnessed a terrible display by the official in the Olympic vs Weston match. Ruined the game like he does in most matches

[ForeverRed]

I'm struggling with the standard so far, it's only early but gee it has a long way to go, been many a year since its drop this low, every team seems to have 3 or 4 players well below what's expected, but what is expected, does NPL mean to much for Newcastle, since its implementation the only thing I've seen to rise are the player payments, coaching fees and egos but not the standard, I'm a big believer in coaching standards but are the players capable of keeping up, I'm not sure

[Drago]

I'm struggling with the standard so far, it's only early but gee it has a long way to go, been many a year since its drop this low, every team seems to have 3 or 4 players well below what's expected, but what is expected, does NPL mean to much for Newcastle, since its implementation the only thing I've seen to rise are the player payments, coaching fees and egos but not the standard, I'm a big believer in coaching standards but are the players capable of keeping up, I'm not sure
The refereeing is disgraceful at best and I'm blown away as to how the refs are being appointed. The standard in the lower grades is diabolical surely (I hope) the assessors picking up on these mistakes and giving feedback and training to improve.
I've been told there is a huge push to fast track these young refs to get numbers into the ranks but why not put them with an experienced linesman to help them along the way? With the current policy we are getting dished up with refs who to be honest, probably have never played the game and look as though they have very little to no understanding of the game but know the rules.

[immersion]

I'm struggling with the standard so far, it's only early but gee it has a long way to go, been many a year since its drop this low, every team seems to have 3 or 4 players well below what's expected, but what is expected, does NPL mean to much for Newcastle, since its implementation the only thing I've seen to rise are the player payments, coaching fees and egos but not the standard, I'm a big believer in coaching standards but are the players capable of keeping up, I'm not sure

I believe the playing standard has improved. The game is much faster than it ever has been previously. The technical ability of the player has not improved as much as the physical standard, but the standard has improved in the technical area. That's my opinion.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Tbh, do you blame them?
Like it is seriously one shit job. People whinging about referees? Have you reffed before? Why don't you now? Or why don't you give it a go?
The problem, for me is the conditions they work in. Go to a game theres a group supporting team A, there's a group supporting team B and maybe some neutrals. Who supports the referee? Every decision he makes is against one group of people. Too many decisions and they get their back up.
When I first started refereeing, doing Rooball, parents on the sideline would be yelling when you give a free kick because somebody accidentally tripped somebody running goalbound. Didn't bother me, but it bothers some. Those people quit.
The next year, maybe do 9-12 year olds. The kids you referee start to have a say, the parents on the sideline get louder. After one particular game of under 10H or lower, the coaches both commented that it was a tough game to ref but I did well. Great, thankyou. On the way to the sheds I got bailed up by a parent and told that I was the worst ref he's ever seen, I offered him the whistle to have a go, and he swore at me and said a few more things, while his son was next to him. Again, I found it funny and was more than willing to stand my ground. Others, would quit.
The next year you may progress up to 13-18 year olds. Kids full of testosterone and who want to fight more than play. You know have kids questioning every decision (like they see on tv, or their parents do) and they swear at you, they fight one another, and the parents on the sideline are worse than ever. At this time you can also be selected to referee elite competitions like macquarie vs nps or HV etc. And now some of the NPL Youth. These games are again even more challenging and the parents think their children are superstars and can do no wrong. Their abuse from the sidelines is also very over the top. Some people would not enjoy this and quit.
The next year, step up into all age and older NPL, maybe even a 19s game or NEWFM. Now, there is an added element of people trying to trick you, diving, sneaky pushes in the back, pretending to be pushed, hard 50/50 tackles that leave somebody worse for wear and asking for a penalty, balls that are on the line that spectators 50m away are screaming at you was out.
My point of this timeline is to demonstrate that from Rooball (back in the day) to NPL and a League even. There is a culture that it's ok to lament the referee and give them a piece of your mind. Sport is a very passionate thing. Emotions run high. But some things are completey over the top. Do you walk into Maccas and say the things you say to a referee to the 15yo behind the till, who is obviously trying his best?
What does yelling achieve? Puts more stress on them, and leads to more bad decisions?
Throughout the development process, people drop out each year. Why? It is not a good environment.
Macquarie for instance, used to take on 20-25 people each year. At least 10 would not return.
In my 3rd or 4th year, there was maybe 3-4 others that I started with. Quick maths, that is 20% retention, and it only continues to drop. This means that instead of having a pool of 60 referees over 3 years from macquarie alone to pick the best for career development, you have a choice of 10. Lack of numbers means lack of choice which inevitably means lower quality.
If you have trials and 14 kids turn up, that's your team. If 40 kids turn up, chances are you're gonna be able to pick a better team.

I guess, I'm saying that the problem stems from not enough referees, why aren't there enough? It is not a well paid job for the conditions you work in. Next time you're at a game, have a listen to how many people tell out at the referee. If that were you at your workplace, how'd you feel about that.

[ForeverRed]

I believe the playing standard has improved. The game is much faster than it ever has been previously. The technical ability of the player has not improved as much as the physical standard, but the standard has improved in the technical area. That's my opinion.
Sorry but your watching different games then me

[namwob99]

Top post Brem. It's the exact reason I gave up, you just get sick of it after a while.

Despite the quality of referees we get, it'd be an even bigger shit fight without them.

[WolfMan]

Tbh, do you blame them?
Like it is seriously one shit job. People whinging about referees? Have you reffed before? Why don't you now? Or why don't you give it a go?
The problem, for me is the conditions they work in. Go to a game theres a group supporting team A, there's a group supporting team B and maybe some neutrals. Who supports the referee? Every decision he makes is against one group of people. Too many decisions and they get their back up.
When I first started refereeing, doing Rooball, parents on the sideline would be yelling when you give a free kick because somebody accidentally tripped somebody running goalbound. Didn't bother me, but it bothers some. Those people quit.
The next year, maybe do 9-12 year olds. The kids you referee start to have a say, the parents on the sideline get louder. After one particular game of under 10H or lower, the coaches both commented that it was a tough game to ref but I did well. Great, thankyou. On the way to the sheds I got bailed up by a parent and told that I was the worst ref he's ever seen, I offered him the whistle to have a go, and he swore at me and said a few more things, while his son was next to him. Again, I found it funny and was more than willing to stand my ground. Others, would quit.
The next year you may progress up to 13-18 year olds. Kids full of testosterone and who want to fight more than play. You know have kids questioning every decision (like they see on tv, or their parents do) and they swear at you, they fight one another, and the parents on the sideline are worse than ever. At this time you can also be selected to referee elite competitions like macquarie vs nps or HV etc. And now some of the NPL Youth. These games are again even more challenging and the parents think their children are superstars and can do no wrong. Their abuse from the sidelines is also very over the top. Some people would not enjoy this and quit.
The next year, step up into all age and older NPL, maybe even a 19s game or NEWFM. Now, there is an added element of people trying to trick you, diving, sneaky pushes in the back, pretending to be pushed, hard 50/50 tackles that leave somebody worse for wear and asking for a penalty, balls that are on the line that spectators 50m away are screaming at you was out.
My point of this timeline is to demonstrate that from Rooball (back in the day) to NPL and a League even. There is a culture that it's ok to lament the referee and give them a piece of your mind. Sport is a very passionate thing. Emotions run high. But some things are completey over the top. Do you walk into Maccas and say the things you say to a referee to the 15yo behind the till, who is obviously trying his best?
What does yelling achieve? Puts more stress on them, and leads to more bad decisions?
Throughout the development process, people drop out each year. Why? It is not a good environment.
Macquarie for instance, used to take on 20-25 people each year. At least 10 would not return.
In my 3rd or 4th year, there was maybe 3-4 others that I started with. Quick maths, that is 20% retention, and it only continues to drop. This means that instead of having a pool of 60 referees over 3 years from macquarie alone to pick the best for career development, you have a choice of 10. Lack of numbers means lack of choice which inevitably means lower quality.
If you have trials and 14 kids turn up, that's your team. If 40 kids turn up, chances are you're gonna be able to pick a better team.

I guess, I'm saying that the problem stems from not enough referees, why aren't there enough? It is not a well paid job for the conditions you work in. Next time you're at a game, have a listen to how many people tell out at the referee. If that were you at your workplace, how'd you feel about that.

Fantastic post. Well said

[GO AWAY]

Good initiative yesterday by Azzuri, each youth side nominated two players from each team to have " Game day experience " , where the kids got to meet the players, sit in on half time chat, watch the warm ups and integrate with the players and got fed by the club on the day. im sure the kids loved it......
Plus a win in all three grades, it was a great day for Azzuri....... :)

[outsider]

Couldn't have put it better myself Brem.Congratulations.
Have watch several games this weekend where the main aim of the players is to put one over on the referee.Watched the best milker of free kicks at Wallsend and other games where the players did everything they could to come out on top.People need to realise that the referees do not create the fouls-players do that-going out of their way to stretch or break the rules at every opportunity-comes back to the coaching in the end.

[MFKS]

Couldn't have put it better myself Brem.Congratulations.
Have watch several games this weekend where the main aim of the players is to put one over on the referee.Watched the best milker of free kicks at Wallsend and other games where the players did everything they could to come out on top.People need to realise that the referees do not create the fouls-players do that-going out of their way to stretch or break the rules at every opportunity-comes back to the coaching in the end.
Hey I understand referees are only human.
I understand they make mistakes
I understand they not perfect


The standards are dropping in the NPL
The standards are dropping in the HAL

To me there is a big issue here.

As for the comments about the difficult job refs have then maybe they need to grow a pair and harden up a little
They have a job to do where they ain't going to be popular.

Accept the criticism is going to come their way and stop being so insecure


Yeah the players put shit over on the referees. But the referees allow the players go take liberties with tremendous amounts of leniency when it comes to dealing with abuse swearing and questioning decisions.

They are allowed and are instructed to issue yellow and red cards for dissent abuse etc

They don't do it often enough


The problem lies with the refs not actually operating on a zero tolerance for abuse by players and officials.

Until they fix this they will have a lot of problems.

If the refs are so concerned about the plebs sitting in the wrong side of the fence being critical or booing a decision then they really need to assess their career choice as ref.

A bit of banter from the crowd should not be an issue.

Obviously different when threats violence intimidating behaviour occur.


But far too many refs get upset about some one saying the bloke with this whistle is blind and incompetent


Harden up princesses please

[EH9]

Good initiative yesterday by Azzuri, each youth side nominated two players from each team to have " Game day experience " , where the kids got to meet the players, sit in on half time chat, watch the warm ups and integrate with the players and got fed by the club on the day. im sure the kids loved it......

Good to see that the Blues got on the bandwagon with this initiative.

[RAM]

Hey I understand referees are only human.
I understand they make mistakes
I understand they not perfect


The standards are dropping in the NPL
The standards are dropping in the HAL

To me there is a big issue here.

As for the comments about the difficult job refs have then maybe they need to grow a pair and harden up a little
They have a job to do where they ain't going to be popular.

Accept the criticism is going to come their way and stop being so insecure


Yeah the players put shit over on the referees. But the referees allow the players go take liberties with tremendous amounts of leniency when it comes to dealing with abuse swearing and questioning decisions.

They are allowed and are instructed to issue yellow and red cards for dissent abuse etc

They don't do it often enough


The problem lies with the refs not actually operating on a zero tolerance for abuse by players and officials.

Until they fix this they will have a lot of problems.

If the refs are so concerned about the plebs sitting in the wrong side of the fence being critical or booing a decision then they really need to assess their career choice as ref.

A bit of banter from the crowd should not be an issue.

Obviously different when threats violence intimidating behaviour occur.


But far too many refs get upset about some one saying the bloke with this whistle is blind and incompetent


Harden up princesses please

Sounds like you need to put your money where your mouth is....

You can't play so you may as well ref. The Thai princess can't be that time consuming...

[Bremsstrahlung]

The standards are dropping in the NPL
The standards are dropping in the HAL
To me there is a big issue here.

As for the comments about the difficult job refs have then maybe they need to grow a pair and harden up a little
They have a job to do where they ain't going to be popular.
Accept the criticism is going to come their way and stop being so insecure
Yeah the players put shit over on the referees. But the referees allow the players go take liberties with tremendous amounts of leniency when it comes to dealing with abuse swearing and questioning decisions.
They are allowed and are instructed to issue yellow and red cards for dissent abuse etc
They don't do it often enough
The problem lies with the refs not actually operating on a zero tolerance for abuse by players and officials.
Until they fix this they will have a lot of problems.
If the refs are so concerned about the plebs sitting in the wrong side of the fence being critical or booing a decision then they really need to assess their career choice as ref.
A bit of banter from the crowd should not be an issue.
Obviously different when threats violence intimidating behaviour occur.
But far too many refs get upset about some one saying the bloke with this whistle is blind and incompetent

Harden up princesses please


Why do you think the standards are dropping? What decisions/performances that you've seen indicate this? Just out of genuine curiosity.

The climate is very very different to how it used to. (This is largely helped my the theatrics on TV). Players going well out of their way to trick the referee, this obviously makes things a bit more difficult, and sometimes, they are going to successfully trick the referee.

Why do you believe the referees are poor? Lack of training? Lack of experience? Lack of support? Lack of knowledge?
Again, if you have 14 players turn up for trials, your arm is twisted and you pick those 14. If 40 turn up, you can pick the best players for various positions and who works well together, and 99.9% of the time, you'll end up with a better team.
Apply the same logic to referees. The intake isn't the issue. Year after year, 20+ (granted I'm a little out of touch as i've been away for a few years now) in Macquarie and I imagine similar, if not more in Newcastle sign up to become referees. This gives you at the very least 30 new referees each year. The problem is retention. As i said, over the years, many decide refereeing is not for them. Fair enough, maybe they couldn't "harden up" or they were too "insecure" as you say. Then, by the time the referees are suitably experienced to attempt the demanding nature of NPL, there aren't that many left. So instead of getting to pick the best 5 referees from a pool of 50+ referees. You get to pick the best 5 out of 10. So to a degree, you get what you are given, and you can only do so much with what you are given. This then carries on and progresses, and the "best/willing" NPL referees are given a crack at A-League, once they do their certificates and assessments. Are you seeing where this is going?
The issue, as you say, is indeed not having enough referees of high standard. The issue is whats happening to drive these people away.

Do you have the same attitude towards Police? Or ambulance officers? Or nurses? Or the 15yo flipping burgers at Maccas? Is it their job to get criticised, constantly questioned, taken advantage of etc.

How is it their fault? The issue is not the victim, it is the perpetrator.

There is a definite difference between banter, and the shit the refs cop. Don;t get me wrong, there can be a good level of banter between the referees and players, sometimes this helps diffuse situations. But i think most will agree, it generally exceeds this and goes down a verbal abuse and sometimes physical assault path.

I agree, it takes a different kind of person to be a referee, not everyone can do it, not everyone is willing to do it. So, why are we not doing everything we can do to keep these people in the game.

Yes, the referee can dish out cards and send people off. But can you imagine the uproar and the outcry if they did this? There's already many complaints on here for the referees "trying to be the centre of attention" issuing cards and blowing free kicks, can't have it both ways.

[Thomas477]

I can back up Brem's post. I'm a referee and we have regular training and coaching sessions. Most NPL and NEWFM, and even the junior NPL and even zone league referees from my experience are assessed a few times a month and the feedback I've found is generally quite good.

As for showing cards for dissent and abuse, I can tell you right now, no NPL or NEWFM match would finish, each and every game would be abandon due to one team not having enough players.

As for criticism of decisions, how many of them actually know the rule for handball or offside? Or what the 10 types of fouls that result in direct free kicks, or what the definition of BUPA is vs DOGSO? Criticism is okay, when it's informed, but even then the rules state in the referee's opinion (and not the pleb's).

[The Magician]

I can back up Brem's post. I'm a referee and we have regular training and coaching sessions. Most NPL and NEWFM, and even the junior NPL and even zone league referees from my experience are assessed a few times a month and the feedback I've found is generally quite good.u

As for showing cards for dissent and abuse, I can tell you right now, no NPL or NEWFM match would finish, each and every game would be abandon due to one team not having enough players.

As for criticism of decisions, how many of them actually know the rule for handball or offside? Or what the 10 types of fouls that result in direct free kicks, or what the definition of BUPA is vs DOGSO? Criticism is okay, when it's informed, but even then the rules state in the referee's opinion (and not the pleb's).

From the games that i have seen the refs have been doing ok. hearing alot of stories out of the NPL Youth that lots of red cards are getting dished out for fighting on the field. When the teams don't have respect for one and other it makes the job very difficult, in boxing there is usually one referee to manage two fighters... when there is 22 ready to go its definitely tough for whats often "the kid" in the middle.

Contrast that with reports from the Magic vs Weston (first grade) game where there should have been 4 red cards to both teams. But Weston rode their luck and received 2 reds dubious or not last week... the universe is in balance.

[Ker-Plunk]

maybe northern should have a round with no refs . teams can ref themselves . i'd pay to see that .

[The Magician]

maybe northern should have a round with no refs . teams can ref themselves . i'd pay to see that .

Give Dana White a buzz... UFC 201

[MFKS]

I can back up Brem's post. I'm a referee and we have regular training and coaching sessions. Most NPL and NEWFM, and even the junior NPL and even zone league referees from my experience are assessed a few times a month and the feedback I've found is generally quite good.

As for showing cards for dissent and abuse, I can tell you right now, no NPL or NEWFM match would finish, each and every game would be abandon due to one team not having enough players.

As for criticism of decisions, how many of them actually know the rule for handball or offside? Or what the 10 types of fouls that result in direct free kicks, or what the definition of BUPA is vs DOGSO? Criticism is okay, when it's informed, but even then the rules state in the referee's opinion (and not the pleb's).
If the match don't finish because of dissent reds then the problem lies with the clubs and players.
If the ref is consistently dealing with dissent everytime then we not have an issue if cards are flying left right and centre.
The players have the responsibility to adapt and shut up

The problem lies with the excessive levels of tolerance and inconsistent policing of it from referees in general

If there was a legitimate Zero Tolerance approach then the problem is quickly eradicated.
Problem is we get a blitz on something for a week or two and then everyone back to their ways straight away and the refs let shit slide

[MFKS]

Why do you think the standards are dropping? What decisions/performances that you've seen indicate this? Just out of genuine curiosity.

The climate is very very different to how it used to. (This is largely helped my the theatrics on TV). Players going well out of their way to trick the referee, this obviously makes things a bit more difficult, and sometimes, they are going to successfully trick the referee.

Why do you believe the referees are poor? Lack of training? Lack of experience? Lack of support? Lack of knowledge?
Again, if you have 14 players turn up for trials, your arm is twisted and you pick those 14. If 40 turn up, you can pick the best players for various positions and who works well together, and 99.9% of the time, you'll end up with a better team.
Apply the same logic to referees. The intake isn't the issue. Year after year, 20+ (granted I'm a little out of touch as i've been away for a few years now) in Macquarie and I imagine similar, if not more in Newcastle sign up to become referees. This gives you at the very least 30 new referees each year. The problem is retention. As i said, over the years, many decide refereeing is not for them. Fair enough, maybe they couldn't "harden up" or they were too "insecure" as you say. Then, by the time the referees are suitably experienced to attempt the demanding nature of NPL, there aren't that many left. So instead of getting to pick the best 5 referees from a pool of 50+ referees. You get to pick the best 5 out of 10. So to a degree, you get what you are given, and you can only do so much with what you are given. This then carries on and progresses, and the "best/willing" NPL referees are given a crack at A-League, once they do their certificates and assessments. Are you seeing where this is going?
The issue, as you say, is indeed not having enough referees of high standard. The issue is whats happening to drive these people away.

Do you have the same attitude towards Police? Or ambulance officers? Or nurses? Or the 15yo flipping burgers at Maccas? Is it their job to get criticised, constantly questioned, taken advantage of etc.

How is it their fault? The issue is not the victim, it is the perpetrator.

There is a definite difference between banter, and the shit the refs cop. Don;t get me wrong, there can be a good level of banter between the referees and players, sometimes this helps diffuse situations. But i think most will agree, it generally exceeds this and goes down a verbal abuse and sometimes physical assault path.

I agree, it takes a different kind of person to be a referee, not everyone can do it, not everyone is willing to do it. So, why are we not doing everything we can do to keep these people in the game.

Yes, the referee can dish out cards and send people off. But can you imagine the uproar and the outcry if they did this? There's already many complaints on here for the referees "trying to be the centre of attention" issuing cards and blowing free kicks, can't have it both ways.
I would suggest half of the issues are down too the insecurity driven into people by the leftists dogs out there with the everyone wins a prize you are never wrong ,you are special,you are immune from criticism which leaves us with a society of weak people who can not handle a thing that isn't how they want it to be.

Look at the current generations what actually makes you think they are suited to refereeing??
It a thankless job at the best of times. The way people under the age of 35 have been brought up they are encouraged to quit at everything, they are encouraged that they are special even if they are not, they are encouraged that they are entitled to everything

They are basically developed into weak people not suitable for refereeing a game with other sociopathic people critiquing everything they do

[Bremsstrahlung]

I would suggest half of the issues are down too the insecurity driven into people by the leftists dogs out there with the everyone wins a prize you are never wrong ,you are special,you are immune from criticism which leaves us with a society of weak people who can not handle a thing that isn't how they want it to be.

Look at the current generations what actually makes you think they are suited to refereeing??
It a thankless job at the best of times. The way people under the age of 35 have been brought up they are encouraged to quit at everything, they are encouraged that they are special even if they are not, they are encouraged that they are entitled to everything

They are basically developed into weak people not suitable for refereeing a game with other sociopathic people critiquing everything they do

I don't understand what the point or relevance of that was?
Yeh, that's the way society and generations are these days, to a degree. But even so, is it not just natural to want to feel appreciated? I daresay, if your boss/employees/ladyfriend/mates constantly berated you and never gave you any positivity, how would you feel about those relationships?
The problem isn't so much handling criticism, it is the lack of respect, the lack of appreciation and constant abuse. Criticism can be a wonderful thing and help improve something. What players are saying to referees, what coaches are saying, what "pleb" spectators are saying is not criticism, it's not constructive at all and often ends in personal attacks.
These people are trying their best, they are giving up their time (yes, they are paid, very badly) so other people can enjoy sport and they are not treated in a manner that makes them want to continue this.


I'm curious though, what have you seen that indicates the quality of refereeing has declined?
What can they do to improve?

[Goatscheese]

Do you walk into Maccas and say the things you say to a referee to the 15yo behind the till, who is obviously trying his best?

You have obviously never worked in customer service, I find that you get the sort of dickheads and bitches that go over the top at refs at their kids game are the same ****tards that have a go at the 15yo kid behind the Maccas counter because they gave them a cup of Diet Coke instead of Coke Zero. And then bitch about it for the next 30 minutes.


I guess, I'm saying that the problem stems from not enough referees, why aren't there enough? It is not a well paid job for the conditions you work in. Next time you're at a game, have a listen to how many people tell out at the referee. If that were you at your workplace, how'd you feel about that.

It's why Northern are cracking down on clubs when it happens, though I think better training and support are needed as well as better behaviour from players and club officials.


The refereeing is disgraceful at best and I'm blown away as to how the refs are being appointed. The standard in the lower grades is diabolical surely (I hope) the assessors picking up on these mistakes and giving feedback and training to improve.

If the assessors are even there, I see the same refs making the same mistakes but there are never any assessors around. The associations need to step up rather than let them at it. While they get further training and ref sessions it is different when out on the field. Northern relying on club feedback with their assessment forms from coaches I doubt do much unless they praise them, wouldn't be surprised that any negative feedback on a form ends up in a bin.

[halo se7en]

Brem, all your posts are spot on, and it must be a tough gig. I do enjoy being a neutral at NPL games because it doesn't matter how the ref performs.

The one thing I agree with the member on is cracking down on dissent, and I'd extend that into the bullshit you see with kicking the ball away, and standing in front of a free kick until the ref tells you to move. You're right - the ref is usually the first criticised when too many cards are given out rather than 'letting the game flow', but that's because at the moment it would look out of place. If they all cracked down on it together, and it became the standard week-in week-out, it would improve.

The best example I can think of is AFL. Granted, I haven't watched for a couple of years, but they've always been super-strict on giving a ball straight to a player who wins a free kick. Any sort of hesitation by the player, or any attempt to slow the play down, and a 50m penalty is given. The refs don't hesitate. And it seems to have become embedded in the game where players don't even think twice about trying to slow down the other team, or kick the ball away etc.

Brem - out of curiosity, do refs get directives on what to focus on in different leagues (specifically the higher ones), or is it a case that once they receive initial training, they're basically left to fend for themselves.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Brem, all your posts are spot on, and it must be a tough gig. I do enjoy being a neutral at NPL games because it doesn't matter how the ref performs.

The one thing I agree with the member on is cracking down on dissent, and I'd extend that into the bullshit you see with kicking the ball away, and standing in front of a free kick until the ref tells you to move. You're right - the ref is usually the first criticised when too many cards are given out rather than 'letting the game flow', but that's because at the moment it would look out of place. If they all cracked down on it together, and it became the standard week-in week-out, it would improve.

Brem - out of curiosity, do refs get directives on what to focus on in different leagues (specifically the higher ones), or is it a case that once they receive initial training, they're basically left to fend for themselves.

Uhm, tbh, I haven't had any official involvement for a few years now due to relocation. But it's not a case of fending for yourselves.
I can probably vouch more for the Junior Branches, I know they try to crack down on a few things each year and brief the refs at the beginning of the year (You must attend a briefing before you can referee for the season). Though, a lot of it is logistical things like "Showing your ID badge if you are on the bench" or making sure shin pads are effective etc.
State League Branches do similar and do pick things to focus on.
I know somebody said in the NPL Youth thread that there are plans to have added sanctions in place if players are constantly guilty of dissent.

IMO, i agree that it should be given a bit more focus. I mean, there's a correct way and a wrong way to go about questioning a decision. If done respectfully, the player voices his opinion, the referee offers an explanation, player accepts that the decision is made and they both move on. That's rarely what happens.

I'm not subscribing to the fact that it's their fault though. You cannot attribute blame to the victim.

[MFKS]

Uhm, tbh, I haven't had any official involvement for a few years now due to relocation. But it's not a case of fending for yourselves.
I can probably vouch more for the Junior Branches, I know they try to crack down on a few things each year and brief the refs at the beginning of the year (You must attend a briefing before you can referee for the season). Though, a lot of it is logistical things like "Showing your ID badge if you are on the bench" or making sure shin pads are effective etc.
State League Branches do similar and do pick things to focus on.
I know somebody said in the NPL Youth thread that there are plans to have added sanctions in place if players are constantly guilty of dissent.

IMO, i agree that it should be given a bit more focus. I mean, there's a correct way and a wrong way to go about questioning a decision. If done respectfully, the player voices his opinion, the referee offers an explanation, player accepts that the decision is made and they both move on. That's rarely what happens.

I'm not subscribing to the fact that it's their fault though. You cannot attribute blame to the victim.

See that is where I think you viewing this wrong

Where in the rule book does it say a player is entitled to question a decision or get an explanation on a decision??

I not see it in the Rule Book


See that where you go wrong. It ain't your place as a ref to appease players with an explanation. Apply the rules of the game and stop overstepping your mark

As soon as you feel it is alright to allow players the right to question the refs decision get an explanation then you are on the path to dissent Issues as they argue the toss with you

That is an issue the referees can control. But they choose not to.

Just as they choose to allow dissent and are not consistently enforcing it from game to game and ref to ref and even show massive inconsistencies in the same match

[MFKS]

I don't understand what the point or relevance of that was?
Yeh, that's the way society and generations are these days, to a degree. But even so, is it not just natural to want to feel appreciated? I daresay, if your boss/employees/ladyfriend/mates constantly berated you and never gave you any positivity, how would you feel about those relationships?
The problem isn't so much handling criticism, it is the lack of respect, the lack of appreciation and constant abuse. Criticism can be a wonderful thing and help improve something. What players are saying to referees, what coaches are saying, what "pleb" spectators are saying is not criticism, it's not constructive at all and often ends in personal attacks.
These people are trying their best, they are giving up their time (yes, they are paid, very badly) so other people can enjoy sport and they are not treated in a manner that makes them want to continue this.


I'm curious though, what have you seen that indicates the quality of refereeing has declined?
What can they do to improve?
I am suggesting the referees go into this line of work without the social skills and stomach for the job.

Basically far too many of them are ridiculously naive about the realities of the issues they will face
They are also ridiculously overrating their personal skills and backbone that they have for doing the job.

Reality is it is a **** if a job and you are going to be the **** everyone dislikes most weeks

It is a rare event when you actually get away from a game and you have escaped any attention.

Also if being appreciated is what you want you are in the wrong line of work.

There are many lines of work out there that are thankless tasks. This is one of them. Don't expect a circle jerk a Pat on the back and the players linking hands and singing For he's a Jolly good Fella at FT as it ain't happening.

Far too many refs fail to acknowledge the realities of their job and cause their own downfall

[Drago]

See that is where I think you viewing this wrong

Where in the rule book does it say a player is entitled to question a decision or get an explanation on a decision??

I not see it in the Rule Book


See that where you go wrong. It ain't your place as a ref to appease players with an explanation. Apply the rules of the game and stop overstepping your mark

As soon as you feel it is alright to allow players the right to question the refs decision get an explanation then you are on the path to dissent Issues as they argue the toss with you

That is an issue the referees can control. But they choose not to.

Just as they choose to allow dissent and are not consistently enforcing it from game to game and ref to ref and even show massive inconsistencies in the same match
My biggest concern with the current situation (and it's been explained in previous posts why inexperienced refs are being rushed through) is the lack of football knowledge in their decision making. Yeah everybody can read a rules book and blow a whistle but those refs who understand the game, players, conditions & emotions will always be the best refs.

I'm not condoning dissent and totally agree it needs to be scrubbed out of the game but that's not the only issues.

[Bremsstrahlung]

See that is where I think you viewing this wrong

Where in the rule book does it say a player is entitled to question a decision or get an explanation on a decision??

I not see it in the Rule Book


See that where you go wrong. It ain't your place as a ref to appease players with an explanation. Apply the rules of the game and stop overstepping your mark

As soon as you feel it is alright to allow players the right to question the refs decision get an explanation then you are on the path to dissent Issues as they argue the toss with you

That is an issue the referees can control. But they choose not to.

Just as they choose to allow dissent and are not consistently enforcing it from game to game and ref to ref and even show massive inconsistencies in the same match

Where in the rulebook does it say you cannot offer an explanation. Sometimes an explanation on what the foul you gave can help educate the player, or at least give an explanation as to why you have a decision based on what you say. There's many different ways to referee a game, there's different personalities.

You say the people that are doing it don't have the heart, don't have the personality or whatever else you said...where are all the people that do? I don't see any of them lining up to give it a crack?
How do you get these people to give it a crack?
For me you're better of trying to keep and develop the people that are willing to give it a go, in the game. Half of the problem isn't even with the players. It's the crowds. It's the opinion that they pay there money so they can verbally abuse whoever they want.


The best referees don't always make the correct decisions but they keep the players safe, they admit their mistakes, they liase well With players. Communication goes both ways. Can you imagine the uproar of a referee said to a player, "you are the worst striker I've ever seen, you are a real c.... Learn to kick a ball properly"....

[MFKS]

Where in the rulebook does it say you cannot offer an explanation. Sometimes an explanation on what the foul you gave can help educate the player, or at least give an explanation as to why you have a decision based on what you say. There's many different ways to referee a game, there's different personalities.

You say the people that are doing it don't have the heart, don't have the personality or whatever else you said...where are all the people that do? I don't see any of them lining up to give it a crack?
How do you get these people to give it a crack?
For me you're better of trying to keep and develop the people that are willing to give it a go, in the game. Half of the problem isn't even with the players. It's the crowds. It's the opinion that they pay there money so they can verbally abuse whoever they want.


The best referees don't always make the correct decisions but they keep the players safe, they admit their mistakes, they liase well With players. Communication goes both ways. Can you imagine the uproar of a referee said to a player, "you are the worst striker I've ever seen, you are a real c.... Learn to kick a ball properly"....
Your right it doesn't say in the rule book it can't.

It is just a bullshit philosophy that has been put forth

Your philosophy though of explain decisions though actually provides the platform which encourages dissent and arguing.

You are bringing the opportunity to the table to argue disagree and carry on by actually forgetting the one thing that is certain the referees decision is final.

Your philosophy makes a mockery of your authority as a ref and your actually responsible for it.

Why erode your power to control the match efficiently and effectively??

This philosophy causes you problems so why endorse it??

[The Dunster]

Can you imagine the uproar of a referee said to a player, "you are the worst striker I've ever seen, you are a real c.... Learn to kick a ball properly"....

I'd want this bloke to referee all games.
#truthbombreferee

[Thomas477]

I'd want this bloke to referee all games.
#truthbombreferee

To be fair, some of the o/35s would agree with him.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Your right it doesn't say in the rule book it can't.

It is just a bullshit philosophy that has been put forth

Your philosophy though of explain decisions though actually provides the platform which encourages dissent and arguing.

You are bringing the opportunity to the table to argue disagree and carry on by actually forgetting the one thing that is certain the referees decision is final.

Your philosophy makes a mockery of your authority as a ref and your actually responsible for it.

Why erode your power to control the match efficiently and effectively??

This philosophy causes you problems so why endorse it??

Agree to disagree.

I'm actually Curious though, for the third time....
What have you seen that makes you say the refereeing is getting worse? What examples of this do you have?
And how do you suggest it is fixed?

[Goatscheese]

For me you're better of trying to keep and develop the people that are willing to give it a go, in the game. Half of the problem isn't even with the players. It's the crowds. It's the opinion that they pay there money so they can verbally abuse whoever they want.

People criticise the lack of experience of refs in these higher levels but as you said a lot of refs drop out when they are doing the younger groups and so we get a smaller pool with the experience. It isn't mainly the players it is the parents abusing a 15 year old because he called a corner when it should've been a free kick in an Under 10's game.

[Imyourhero]

Could this be moved to it's own thread?

[Tonester]

Could this be moved to it's own thread?

Couldn't agree more.

[MFKS]

Agree to disagree.

I'm actually Curious though, for the third time....
What have you seen that makes you say the refereeing is getting worse? What examples of this do you have?
And how do you suggest it is fixed?

Watch the HAL for the last 10 weeks of the season and see the regular and constant **** ups which are not even close to 50-50 calls. Just shocking call after call by incompetent officials


If you watch the NPL you will see the same old faces making the same old mistakes.
Never actually improving as overall standards slip away

Compared to 5 years ago the standard of officiating is much worse. Just a steady decline as more and more officials show they not up to it.

I will give you an example of incompetent officiating last weekend that has nothing to do with anyone but the referee

A free kick was awarded to Weston in the 22s midway into the Olympic half.
An Olympic player comes back to the point to get goalside of the free kick. On their way they picked the ball up went 15 yards with it intentionally delaying play when he had no right to touch the ball.

Ref observes this and goes over to player. Gives them the naughty boy chat.
Then let's the game go.

Now it was as black and white a nailed on yellow you will ever see.

It not even close to a case of interpretation differing and leniency being showed.

It is just poor officiating from someone who forgot the rules of the game.

Exactly what are they doing officiating at this level if they can't get something that simple correct??

[hamburgler]

could this be moved to it's own thread?

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[GO AWAY]

Azzuri v Lambton this Saturday I think can almost define the season, Azzuri after being still being undefeated after four rounds have had, Mait, Val, Jets and A/Town, no disrespect to these teams but although a great effort not losing to any, still havnt really been tested, if they can knock off Lambton and Weston in the next two weeks, they will need momentum going in to last three games of the round , magic, Olympic and edgy. Lambton have already played these three and got zero points out of them, so this weekend is a very very important game .
Good to see 22s equal top and 19s in third, but again will have to improve from hereon in.

[MFKS]

Watching Azurri play the other week I wouldn't be thinking they top 3 side.

Look like they well coached group and would expect them to be fighting for 4th place

Would not be expecting them scrapping at bottom of table like last season

[Tonester]

Watching Azurri play the other week I wouldn't be thinking they top 3 side.

Look like they well coached group and would expect them to be fighting for 4th place

Would not be expecting them scrapping at bottom of table like last season

Whilst I agree with your assumption or,if you like, your assessment, your grammar needs serious work not to mention your spelling, must say I'm disappointed.

[big jim]

Whilst I agree with your assumption or,if you like, your assessment, your grammar needs serious work not to mention your spelling, must say I'm disappointed.

So let me get this straight toneman

You want a seperate thread for discussion on refereeing

But are quite happy to keep bombing this thread with spelling, grammar & punctuation lessons

Really !!

[Premy]

So let me get this straight toneman

You want a seperate thread for discussion on refereeing

But are quite happy to keep bombing this thread with spelling, grammar & punctuation lessons

Really !!
Careful Professor Toneman gets a little touchy under criticism.
I would suggest for you to just ignore him, his already learnt everyone finds his opinion irrelevant. He'll soon learn that no one finds his English lessons relevant either.

[Tonester]

So let me get this straight toneman

You want a seperate thread for discussion on refereeing

But are quite happy to keep bombing this thread with spelling, grammar & punctuation lessons

Really !!

You forgot the full stop after lessons!Chill mate,don't stress, I'm here to help you become more aware of our wonderful language, that's all.

[Tonester]

Careful Professor Toneman gets a little touchy under criticism.
I would suggest for you to just ignore him, his already learnt everyone finds his opinion irrelevant. He'll soon learn that no one finds his English lessons relevant either.
Once more for the dummy, it's he's not his. Cheers.

[MFKS]

Whilst I agree with your assumption or,if you like, your assessment, your grammar needs serious work not to mention your spelling, must say I'm disappointed.
I couldn't give a flying **** what you think about my grammar and spelling.

Jog on and find someone else to lecture as I just don't care champ

[seldom]

Every now and then, I come on this forum hoping to find the knowledge of a vikingjet,the humour of scozzy or the sarcasm of q-money. Instead I get retards worrying about grammar and punctuation. No wonder everyone's gone. RIP.

[namwob99]

Every now and then, I come on this forum hoping to find the knowledge of a vikingjet,the humour of scozzy or the sarcasm of q-money. Instead I get retards worrying about grammar and punctuation. No wonder everyone's gone. RIP.

Bring back craftsman!!

[Zico]

Bring back craftsman!!
Fu@k that as there would be arguing about grass again :facepalm:

[cobra23]

Every now and then, I come on this forum hoping to find the knowledge of a vikingjet,the humour of scozzy or the sarcasm of q-money. Instead I get retards worrying about grammar and punctuation. No wonder everyone's gone. RIP.

dont wurry seldam, thiss tonstar iz a absaloot loanly boi.... :wanker::fap: 5 times a day.

[Stryker]

Your right it doesn't say in the rule book it can't.

It is just a bullshit philosophy that has been put forth

Your philosophy though of explain decisions though actually provides the platform which encourages dissent and arguing.

You are bringing the opportunity to the table to argue disagree and carry on by actually forgetting the one thing that is certain the referees decision is final.

Your philosophy makes a mockery of your authority as a ref and your actually responsible for it.

Why erode your power to control the match efficiently and effectively??

This philosophy causes you problems so why endorse it??

There is nothing wrong with explaining a decision MFKS. It just depends on how you deliver it and choosing which decisions to explain. You make it quick and concise so as not to disrupt the flow of the game. It helps to quell a situation from blowing up. If u ignore it, players and spectators think u don't care. Inexperienced referees sometimes lack the confidence to use verbal communication which can greatly improve their ability to control a match. This takes time, confidence to hone. What one player responds to, the next one won't, so it forces a ref to adapt (if they realise) to the different personalities of players in a game (often heated) situation. There are ways of speaking to players on the run and at stoppages in the match to get your point across. If you fail to use your voice in a game, the harder it becomes to control it.

Those who choose to ref, have the balls to try it. It's generally a thankless job and underpaid job. Not everyone is going to agree on every decision, it's impossible. Abuse? Not needed and unfortunately it can eat away at an individual who just wants to be a part of the game and provide others the chance to enjoy the game we all love. Why do we have so many young and inexperienced refs? Huge turnover rates. Experienced refs circumstances in life changing. Younger refs having to be pushed up to a grade that they may not be ready for. Basically fast-tracked but not by choice. they need games under their belt. They need time. They need to be willing to learn (like players, if they aren't, they generally don't develop and progress).

Respect. Something that is earned yes, to a degree. Something that should be afforded to someone who has the balls to undertake a job that many others haven't got the guts to try and would prefer to sit on the sidelines or behind a keyboard and tell them how they are doing it wrong...

[Speedymetric]

My two cents worth on the referee debate.

Firstly this is an argument that plagues every sport. Unless we want to turn all games into one massive video review where every decision is replayed & reviewed then we need to rely on human judgement & interpretation. Unfortunately this means that sometimes they get it wrong, but never intentionally, but in the long run they get far more decisions correct than they stuff up. But again it's those minority wrong decisions that attract all the attention & discussion. It's like a plane crash, they never report the tens of thousands of planes that take off & land safely day in, day out but as soon as one crashes it's all over the news.

As far as numbers of referees go it is obvious to me why there is so few to choose from. No young kid sits at home & thinks I want to be a ref & no parent plans for his/her child to be a ref. They want to play the game & be a player. Nobody grows up wanting to be a referee. The vast majority of kids that find out they aren't good, don't enjoy it or were forced into it don't hang around. They leave the game altogether. This leaves a tiny pool of people left over who have enough interest in the game to stay involved but for some reason be it injury, lack of skill or something else choose not to play but to referee.

Overall I think it's a thankless job & know that no referee ever intentionally makes mistakes. So rather than bag them all players & supporters should be glad that we have enough refs dedicated to the game to get a kick every weekend. If we aren't prepared ourselves to do the job then we should be in no place to criticise.

[cobra23]

I hate this thread :banghead:

[winner]

Who is getting along to Hicksville tonight to watch the top of the table clash between Edgeworth and Olympic
Prediction 2-2

[cobra23]

olympic 3 - 1

[winner]

Can someone explain to me how Weston and Valentine are the match of the round this weekend and the only game live on bar tv. Do NNSW FOOTBALL have any idea at all about football

[LongSufferingFan]

I know Im easily amused but I have always thought BarTV sounds like a porno channel.

[MFKS]

Can someone explain to me how Weston and Valentine are the match of the round this weekend and the only game live on bar tv. Do NNSW FOOTBALL have any idea at all about football

I remember last week they were plugging match of the round on the radio as Buds V Azzurri

The Magic Edgy clash apparently was a less appealing contest

[monz6]

I know Im easily amused but I have always thought BarTV sounds like a porno channel.

Like they do every year it's the same thing. Games are spread evenly over first 9 rounds then it's the actual match of the round after that. are we that desperate to find things to complain about

[Tonester]

dont wurry seldam, thiss tonstar iz a absaloot loanly boi.... :wanker::fap: 5 times a day.

Sehr clever, geben Sie sich einen grossen Beifall.Schade, es zeigt Ihnen, wie eine komplette Analphabeten.

[ForeverRed]

Who is getting along to Hicksville tonight to watch the top of the table clash between Edgeworth and Olympic
Prediction 2-2

I work hard, therefor I enjoy a couple of sherbets on a Friday, however the drive from Whitebridge to edgeworth is way to far for me at night, enjoy Hicksville

[MFKS]

I work hard, therefor I enjoy a couple of sherbets on a Friday, however the drive from Whitebridge to edgeworth is way to far for me at night, enjoy Hicksville
Geez FR you making out a 10-15 minute drive with traffic is the equivalent of driving to Adelaide.

It not that far away

[Goatscheese]

Like they do every year it's the same thing. Games are spread evenly over first 9 rounds then it's the actual match of the round after that. are we that desperate to find things to complain about

Northern must be doing something right if the only thing worth complaining about is who the writer listed as match of the round.

[Tonester]

Northern must be doing something right if the only thing worth complaining about is who the writer listed as match of the round.

As usual this doesn't make sense.

[ForeverRed]

Geez FR you making out a 10-15 minute drive with traffic is the equivalent of driving to Adelaide.

It not that far away
It's the night time driving that I'm not a fan of

[Goatscheese]

As usual this doesn't make sense.

I'll try to go slower for you next time.

[ForeverRed]

3.2 Hamilton ft

[Premy]

As usual this doesn't make sense.
Your mates must really enjoy spending time with you at Mereweather, feeding your ego must be a riveting job.
I must say it's enjoyable to watch you trying to be relevant.

[Tonester]

Your mates must really enjoy spending time with you at Mereweather, feeding your ego must be a riveting job.
I must say it's enjoyable to watch you trying to be relevant.
As a Novacastrian it's very disappointing to have people who are obviously of lower intelligence spell Meriwether wrong. Their spelling credence is on a level that's on par with their football knowledge, obviously non existent.

[Tonester]

3.2 Hamilton ft

Can you tell us who scored & your view of the game.

[magician]

Can you tell us who scored & your view of the game.
Japanese guy and Brent hammel for edgy
Daniel bird, Kane Goodchild and Tom Spensor for Olympic

[Tonester]

Japanese guy and Brent hammel for edgy
Daniel bird, Kane Goodchild and Tom Spensor for Olympic

I'll watch the delayed bar tv coverage but how do you rate the game as far as what we've seen so far, do you think Olympic can beat Magic next week?

[ForeverRed]

Can you tell us who scored & your view of the game.

Didn't go sorry

[Premy]

As a Novacastrian it's very disappointing to have people who are obviously of lower intelligence spell Meriwether wrong. Their spelling credence is on a level that's on par with their football knowledge, obviously non existent.
Oh this is Ironic and Awkward.
So you're saying your football knowledge is non existent because you can't spell Mereweather properly?

[winner]

Oh this is Ironic and Awkward.
So you're saying your football knowledge is non existent because you can't spell Mereweather properly?

It's Merewether

[Premy]

It's Merewether
:blush:Woops, see told you it was Awkward

[winner]

:blush:Woops, see told you it was Awkward

😄

[halo se7en]

Are there any mods left who can actual do something here, or do we have to waste time scrolling through posts of spelling/grammar bullshit for a few more pages in between those rare, pesky posts about the actual NPL?

[winner]

I'll watch the delayed bar tv coverage but how do you rate the game as far as what we've seen so far, do you think Olympic can beat Magic next week?

Game was very very physical. Olympic started well and opened the scoring with a well worked goal with bird scoring at the far post inside the first 5 minutes. Edgy lifted from here and had the better of the match and got a deserved equalizer from a great 20 yard strike from moriyasu. Thought edgeworth shaded olympic in the first half but an opportunistic goal from Goodchild following an edgeworth turn over just before half time allows olympic to lead 2-1 at halftime. 55 minute mark Hammel equalizes to make it 2-2 and looks like edgy will finish on top . A couple of great saves from Ireland and a 7th minute winner from Spencer see Olympic win 3-2. A tight affair with not much between the sides and Ireland probably being the difference between an Olympic win or a draw

[immersion]

Game was very very physical. Olympic started well and opened the scoring with a well worked goal with bird scoring at the far post inside the first 5 minutes. Edgy lifted from here and had the better of the match and got a deserved equalizer from a great 20 yard strike from moriyasu. Thought edgeworth shaded olympic in the first half but an opportunistic goal from Goodchild following an edgeworth turn over just before half time allows olympic to lead 2-1 at halftime. 55 minute mark Hammel equalizes to make it 2-2 and looks like edgy will finish on top . A couple of great saves from Ireland and a 7th minute winner from Spencer see Olympic win 3-2. A tight affair with not much between the sides and Ireland probably being the difference between an Olympic win or a draw

I agree with this. Mistakes by Edgeworth cost them at the back. Ireland on the other pulled out some great saves. Physical contest without being grubby which was good to see.

But the referee handed out what must of been 7-10 yellow cards. And from watching the delayed coverage he overuled the lines-men twice when the REF was 30 yards away and line-men was in single digit yardage away. I know its well within in his right to do it. But far out, the odds have to suggest the lines-men has to have the better postion, and to happen twice in the one match is weird. Worth a watch on BarTV IMO.

[MFKS]

As a Novacastrian it's very disappointing to have people who are obviously of lower intelligence spell Meriwether wrong. Their spelling credence is on a level that's on par with their football knowledge, obviously non existent.

Well done Mr Spelling Police

You pull him up and get it wrong yourself.

Stellar work.

Can't even get it right yourself buddy

[Swanky]

I agree with this. Mistakes by Edgeworth cost them at the back. Ireland on the other pulled out some great saves. Physical contest without being grubby which was good to see.

But the referee handed out what must of been 7-10 yellow cards. And from watching the delayed coverage he overuled the lines-men twice when the REF was 30 yards away and line-men was in single digit yardage away. I know its well within in his right to do it. But far out, the odds have to suggest the lines-men has to have the better postion, and to happen twice in the one match is weird. Worth a watch on BarTV IMO.

Do you have a link for Bar TV coverage not on there YouTube channel

[GO AWAY]

Heard Maguire is back on pitch this afternoons 😊

[magician]

Heard Maguire is back on pitch this afternoons 😊
Why change a winning team?

[sancho_theswan]

Well done Mr Spelling Police

You pull him up and get it wrong yourself.

Stellar work.

Can't even get it right yourself buddy

I think it's called sarcasm.... don't get suckered in.

[GO AWAY]

Azzuri 3 jaffas 1

[winner]

Azzuri 3 jaffas 1
What is happening at the Jaffas under Master coach James Pascoe

[Tonester]

Azzuri 3 jaffas 1

Big result Go Away, who scored?

[GO AWAY]

Big result Go Away, who scored?

Smith, Hughes, ferguson
Wood for jaffas

[MFKS]

What is happening at the Jaffas under Master coach James Pascoe

I haven't seen Jaffas play yet so can't say.

Though this does confirm my suspicions from what i seen of Azzurri that Azzurri are going to be pushing for Semi spot

[ForeverRed]

I've seen Azzurri a few times and all I can say is that the Jaffas must be poor , good luck to Azzurri but like I mentioned last Sunday, the standard is the worst I've seen for a while

[mervan]

Did maj play

[GO AWAY]

Without knowing all players , yes maj played, wood, Jobe, swancott, hay, palozzi

[winner]

Without knowing all players , yes maj played, wood, Jobe, swancott, hay, palozzi

Peter McPherson Jamie Byrnes Kevin Davidson Reece Tippet

[GO AWAY]

I haven't seen Jaffas play yet so can't say.

Though this does confirm my suspicions from what i seen of Azzurri that Azzurri are going to be pushing for Semi spot

JJ And ferguson were epic yesterday , ferguson and Ross have been great all year, Laman great but their best in my eyes has been Todd at cb .... The whole squad is a very close knit team so that is half the battle

[MFKS]

So I am over watching Buds v Maitland

Buds with an early goal

Then their keeper fumbles a ball and rugby tackles Ben Martin and conceeds a pen and walks and it 1-1

Getting sick of watching a game and seeing a team down to 10 after a handful of mins ***

That 2in 2 weeks for me

2-2 in the 22s
Buds 2-1 in the 19s