2016 NEW FM League thread

[Football lover]

Stags look like they have already won the only two games they will win all year. Will fight out the spoon with Cessnock.



Anybody know the result from tonight's Fixture?

[dan]

Singo v Wallsend
23's - 4-1 Singo
1st - 1-3 Wallsend

[Sideline]

For me, Blake Green is quality for Lakes.
The big dog, Jarrod Olivieri, is killing them when he plays further forward - has scored a number of goals this year.
Tyler (Warren I think?) Westy goalkeeper is outstanding - best keeper in NewFM by a mile.

A lot of quite young (19/20 yo) players getting runs in first grade and doing well also.
This seems to be a trend across all the teams this year - good to see the clubs giving them a go.

Lots of quality in the 19s comp as well - Jones (Westy), Nicholson (Beswans), Hall (Singo), Richardson, & Ward (Lakes) all have futures.
I like to get to watch the 19s when I go - technically I think the 19s players are the best.

I agree with the above and will add thornton have a number of quality players in their squad tallan martin has played syd state league and is still quality just lacks the fitness at times they have macca and subat as well so some very handy players there....

kahiba have a few handy players across the park and from what ive seen there keeper is not to bad as well

Belswans on there day look outstanding and have a number of players more then capable of grinding out results for them however their form of late seems to of dropped off very suprised with the cessnock result ??? but will be interesting to see how they bounce back in coming weeks.

westy have some hard nosed players and 1 or 2 standouts which will help them get results. the goalkeeper is certainly quality.

lakes have a strong squad across the pitch with some decent depth which i will think get them across the line come end of season. i have seen 1 or 2 of their games and recognise a few players from previous years plus a number of players i have seen at other clubs that are very handy.

They by far have the best attack in the comp walker and green and are very solid at the back with the 2 central defenders (unaware of names) and corey fletcher on the left . They have kemp in goals who is very strong and has plenty of experience also they have a very capable backup playing 23s who i have not seen playing since the 2012 grand final. Sean matthews is also now out with them again and his quality and experience will be very handy in the middle of the park.

cooks hill have a number of quality players who will get them into the top 4 i believe a few results and momentum to go their way will see them be a tough team to beat. I caught their game against lakes and they were very unlucky not to get a result

wallsend have multiple ex state league players across the pitch although showing a bit of age now still will carve up most players on their day.
jennings in goals is an excellent keeper as well so ill be very suprised if they are not top 3 end of season.

singleton i can't comment on heard they picked up a decent few players but im yet to see any of their matches.
cessnock as above have some handy players but just not the quilty or depth to match it with the top teams.
toronto can get a result on their day but lack control and discipline at crucial times
south cardiff im yet to see a game or have heard of players out there so cannot comment

Cheers

[BigSam]

I agree with the above and will add thornton have a number of quality players in their squad tallan martin has played syd state league and is still quality just lacks the fitness at times they have macca and subat as well so some very handy players there....

kahiba have a few handy players across the park and from what ive seen there keeper is not to bad as well

Belswans on there day look outstanding and have a number of players more then capable of grinding out results for them however their form of late seems to of dropped off very suprised with the cessnock result ??? but will be interesting to see how they bounce back in coming weeks.

westy have some hard nosed players and 1 or 2 standouts which will help them get results. the goalkeeper is certainly quality.

lakes have a strong squad across the pitch with some decent depth which i will think get them across the line come end of season. i have seen 1 or 2 of their games and recognise a few players from previous years plus a number of players i have seen at other clubs that are very handy.

They by far have the best attack in the comp walker and green and are very solid at the back with the 2 central defenders (unaware of names) and corey fletcher on the left . They have kemp in goals who is very strong and has plenty of experience also they have a very capable backup playing 23s who i have not seen playing since the 2012 grand final. Sean matthews is also now out with them again and his quality and experience will be very handy in the middle of the park.

cooks hill have a number of quality players who will get them into the top 4 i believe a few results and momentum to go their way will see them be a tough team to beat. I caught their game against lakes and they were very unlucky not to get a result

wallsend have multiple ex state league players across the pitch although showing a bit of age now still will carve up most players on their day.
jennings in goals is an excellent keeper as well so ill be very suprised if they are not top 3 end of season.

singleton i can't comment on heard they picked up a decent few players but im yet to see any of their matches.
cessnock as above have some handy players but just not the quilty or depth to match it with the top teams.
toronto can get a result on their day but lack control and discipline at crucial times
south cardiff im yet to see a game or have heard of players out there so cannot comment

Cheers



do agree with that, few keys I see below:


Belswans- are a quick side that play on the counter attack, Ludlow? think that's his name! Wow he can play
wallsend- exp to guide them around- gazzard- still controls the show on the field
Kahibah- absolute class side, iffield in the middles work load is phenomenal, natural leader at the back to steer the ship
stags- Roberts is there key player up front and found the next on the weekend according to the stats, few locals came back ive heard with NPL exp, results???
cookers- mixture of youth with a few old heads, can see them improving- young coaching staff- may have future plans in place?
lakes- $$ and good players make them the side to beat IMO
southy- will compete on the day- as you can see with the result against wallsend
thornotn- macca! wow this kid can play


predictions for the weekend?

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Will results be taken into account?

They weren't with promotion from ZPL to NEWFM, so id assume not in the next restructure. The primary focus will be on facilities etc.

[onlooker]

They weren't with promotion from ZPL to NEWFM, so id assume not in the next restructure. The primary focus will be on facilities etc.

What a statement that is. Basically we don't care if your shit as long as you have a ground we like, instead of having the best teams and encouraging and working with them to improve their ground.

[lafootball]

What a statement that is. Basically we don't care if your shit as long as you have a ground we like, instead of having the best teams and encouraging and working with them to improve their ground.

It's sad but it's true though. Look at Kahibah for example, I think they won maybe a hand full of games over two years and got promoted both years. It comes down to meeting criteria.

[big jim]

It's sad but it's true though. Look at Kahibah for example, I think they won maybe a hand full of games over two years and got promoted both years. It comes down to meeting criteria.

What with a tempory fence ?

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

What a statement that is. Basically we don't care if your shit as long as you have a ground we like, instead of having the best teams and encouraging and working with them to improve their ground.

That's the reality mate. Its a statement borne of experience. Not saying its right, but its the way it has been with 'promotion' from ZPL to NEWFM, different associations run them and have different criteria, so results are not he most important element.

[BP Super Dynamos]

Cooks Hill beat Thornton 2-1 in 1sts

[Retro Jet]

Cooks Hill beat Thornton 2-1 in 1sts
0-1 to C/Hill @ HT.

23s Thornton 2 v C/Hill 1 (0-0)
19s Thornton 2 v C/Hill 3 (0-3)
17s Thornton 0 v C/Hill 6 (0-3)

Thanks for the team sheets Ty :)

[dan]

Kahibah V Wallsend
17's - 1-3 Wallsend
19's - 2-0 Kahibah
23'- 1-1
1st - 3-1 Kahibah

[BigSam]

Go AWAY- good result for Kahibah!


Stags- wow what is going on there? heard something about the 22s coach giving it to the players

Cooks Hill- good result against an inform thornton


Lakes, Belswans, Kahibah and Wallsend are the established top 4- and I believe it will remain in that order


going off the weekend results Stags in big trouble?

[GO AWAY]

Havnt seen results, what was stags score ? :(

[BigSam]

Havnt seen results, what was stags score ? :(

lost 4-2 against singo

Play Kahibah on the weekend at home, your a local GO AWAY? could possibly do with the support and a few old boyz!

[GO AWAY]

WAS a local, not no more, too busy watching my son play same day as the stags these days and on other side of the lake.

[BigSam]

WAS a local, not no more, too busy watching my son play same day as the stags these days and on other side of the lake.


Ahkk new people in charge out there this year? locals going back to play?


Assuming he plays NPL? Venture back to the stags and help the old club out ;) im sure you would love to see him in blue and yellow?

[The Postman]

3 locals who were NPL 22s this year/last year have already come back, it's a long process, they are still dealing with the problems of previous years 'management'.

The Stags will come good though, can't wait for 2017.

[BigSam]

3 locals who were NPL 22s this year/last year have already come back, it's a long process, they are still dealing with the problems of previous years 'management'.

The Stags will come good though, can't wait for 2017.




Rebuilding takes it time, glad that the club is trying to do it, just need the right coaches to do it? TJ is there at present I think?


Lower coaches also play an important role in the rebuilding process


few locals and a few old heads and the club will go forward

[The Baby Piglet]

3 locals who were NPL 22s this year/last year have already come back, it's a long process, they are still dealing with the problems of previous years 'management'.

The Stags will come good though, can't wait for 2017.

With all due respect Postman, unless their are some radical changes in club protocol and coaching staff, i can't see much changing.

[BigSam]

With all due respect Postman, unless their are some radical changes in club protocol and coaching staff, i can't see much changing.


Not a fan of the current regime out there? Have heard the club is turning it around off the field?


TJ seems to be doing better? Not sure who the 22s coach is, older guy, replaced the younger guy from last year or was he sacked, 19s results seemed worse and he retained the job? postman/ GO AWAY can you confirm?

19s coach I've heard is a character and results seems to show that, 17s coach is a legend of the club

[BP Super Dynamos]

Cessnock v Thornton @ Turner Park
1st - 2-1 to Thornton
Res - 3-3 after Thornton were leading 3-1 with 15 to go
19's and 17's both went to Cessnock

Cessnock first grade are very ordinary. Plenty of 20 something year olds masquerading as footballers. Their defence is reasonable, but their attack is clueless. I think they had one shot on target and that was courtesy of a penalty. Thornton made hard work of the match despite dominating for the majority

[ForeverRed]

Good effort today from the young gunners up against the leaders in lakes,

[BigSam]

Checking the results from the weekend... Kahibah battered the stags late, Gumps has those boys rock hard fit, what is going on at the Stags? 5/6 poor results on the trot and the fixtures coming up don't look much better for them, was at the game and seen a few local players from NPL chatting- one in particular to a current assistant coach.... is something going to happen there, also seen a couple of notable coaches and assistant coaches from the current comp and a former stags coach there watching???????

Lakes and wallsend both getting the business done... Cookers on the slide? whats going on there, seem to have a decent squad from what ive seen but the team sheet on the weekend had a few names that seemed unfamiliar so might of had a couple out?

Noticed Gumps didn't play vs the stags? injured or resting up for the bigger fish?

[NewyTy]

Checking the results from the weekend... Kahibah battered the stags late, Gumps has those boys rock hard fit, what is going on at the Stags? 5/6 poor results on the trot and the fixtures coming up don't look much better for them, was at the game and seen a few local players from NPL chatting- one in particular to a current assistant coach.... is something going to happen there, also seen a couple of notable coaches and assistant coaches from the current comp and a former stags coach there watching???????

Lakes and wallsend both getting the business done... Cookers on the slide? whats going on there, seem to have a decent squad from what ive seen but the team sheet on the weekend had a few names that seemed unfamiliar so might of had a couple out?

Noticed Gumps didn't play vs the stags? injured or resting up for the bigger fish?

Stags seem to be looking towards future from the outside looking in. Cooks Hill haven't hit form for a few weeks and season seems to be fading away quickly.

[BigSam]

Stags seem to be looking towards future from the outside looking in. Cooks Hill haven't hit form for a few weeks and season seems to be fading away quickly.


Reason for this at the cookers Ty? Assuming you would have some info on this? is it a happy camp at cooks hill?


With the stags that might be the way too go with no relegation etc, maybe those coaches there on the weekend are lining up for the job? im sure you might know one of them.....

[The Postman]

Reason for this at the cookers Ty? Assuming you would have some info on this? is it a happy camp at cooks hill?


With the stags that might be the way too go with no relegation etc, maybe those coaches there on the weekend are lining up for the job? im sure you might know one of them.....

I also saw a current Jets Goalkeeping Coach there, he must be coming back also.

Why can't local blokes who love the Stags go and watch their mates play and support the club without someone trying to insinuate something.

[BigSam]

I also saw a current Jets Goalkeeping Coach there, he must be coming back also.

Why can't local blokes who love the Stags go and watch their mates play and support the club without someone trying to insinuate something.


Just seeing what is out there Postman, one current coach at other club was talking to a fairly big name player (Who hasn't played for a few years due to injury) and I overheard part of the chat, seems as though he is keen to play for fellow said person...

People at this club surely understand that the current results aren't the best and coaches seem to be interested in the gig

[NewyTy]

Reason for this at the cookers Ty? Assuming you would have some info on this? is it a happy camp at cooks hill?


With the stags that might be the way too go with no relegation etc, maybe those coaches there on the weekend are lining up for the job? im sure you might know one of them.....

I'm not going to say Cookers is an unhappy camp. We're in a decent spot but there's a couple of players I feel aren't doing the job at the moment. Personal opinion. I feel like it's a general attitude thing with Cooks Hill from top to bottom. Hoping I'm not accused of airing dirty laundry but in my mind, clubs like Kahibah, Singleton and mostly Wallsend just have a better atmosphere and club environment. No players were left at Cooks Hill on Saturday to help back up, yesterday at Wallsend there was most of the 19's team. Big difference.

It's the only thing I dislike about the club. It comes with age and as the club is only 20 years old it's hard to create that. On the field the future looks good. Finals is done for this year though.

And yes I maybe know which coach you might be talking about but as Postman said, they're free to go and watch. The Thi g is with the Stags is that even if you leave the club, you never really leave. Trying to say that their former coaches and players are normally very supportive. I wouldn't read too much into who's watching the games.

[BigSam]

I'm not going to say Cookers is an unhappy camp. We're in a decent spot but there's a couple of players I feel aren't doing the job at the moment. Personal opinion. I feel like it's a general attitude thing with Cooks Hill from top to bottom. Hoping I'm not accused of airing dirty laundry but in my mind, clubs like Kahibah, Singleton and mostly Wallsend just have a better atmosphere and club environment. No players were left at Cooks Hill on Saturday to help back up, yesterday at Wallsend there was most of the 19's team. Big difference.

It's the only thing I dislike about the club. It comes with age and as the club is only 20 years old it's hard to create that. On the field the future looks good. Finals is done for this year though.

And yes I maybe know which coach you might be talking about but as Postman said, they're free to go and watch. The Thi g is with the Stags is that even if you leave the club, you never really leave. Trying to say that their former coaches and players are normally very supportive. I wouldn't read too much into who's watching the games.



I think if you look at most clubs around town its a small group that help pack up the ground etc, something players don't often do, often left to the committee and volunteers to pick up the scraps of an afternoon....


Are you suggesting you are not happy with the current staff at present?

Do agree with that and the stags, players of past and present seem to be active, seems as though he has some following as he took players from one club to play at another- which coaches do I guess.


I believe in treating them right, as you never know who might want to come back, experience or not, if they have some players behind them give them a go


GO AWAY- did you watch the stags on sunday? apparently a few old boys up on the hill

[NewyTy]

I think if you look at most clubs around town its a small group that help pack up the ground etc, something players don't often do, often left to the committee and volunteers to pick up the scraps of an afternoon....


Are you suggesting you are not happy with the current staff at present?

Do agree with that and the stags, players of past and present seem to be active, seems as though he has some following as he took players from one club to play at another- which coaches do I guess.


I believe in treating them right, as you never know who might want to come back, experience or not, if they have some players behind them give them a go


GO AWAY- did you watch the stags on sunday? apparently a few old boys up on the hill

I haven't paid too much attention but noticed it at Wallsend yesterday. At Cookers on Saturday there was our VP, two ladies from our committee and me as I decided to go and help out as I don't believe in having ladies from our committee have to carry goalpost and stuff back to the storage area. Delighted with the staff but one or two players who aren't playing with enough desire for the badge. Some of that stems from still getting paid for a lose. I don't agree with that one bit.

I think you'll find Toronto recruit a fair few next year as the top order there are doing a brilliant job at turning things around from what was a poorly ran year last season. They seem to be more active in working towards the future and possible NPL2 than a couple of other clubs at the moment.

[BigSam]

I haven't paid too much attention but noticed it at Wallsend yesterday. At Cookers on Saturday there was our VP, two ladies from our committee and me as I decided to go and help out as I don't believe in having ladies from our committee have to carry goalpost and stuff back to the storage area. Delighted with the staff but one or two players who aren't playing with enough desire for the badge. Some of that stems from still getting paid for a lose. I don't agree with that one bit.

I think you'll find Toronto recruit a fair few next year as the top order there are doing a brilliant job at turning things around from what was a poorly ran year last season. They seem to be more active in working towards the future and possible NPL2 than a couple of other clubs at the moment.



I agree with the ladies side of things, don't see many first graders do it though... players play and that's as simple as that!

they on decent money in there Ty? what was the expectation before the start of the season?


Who's in line to coach out there? you would be all ears and hear a bit of inside information

[NewyTy]

I agree with the ladies side of things, don't see many first graders do it though... players play and that's as simple as that!

they on decent money in there Ty? what was the expectation before the start of the season?


Who's in line to coach out there? you would be all ears and hear a bit of inside information

Our 23's was supposed to do it but they all left. Not good enough IMO. I'm not involved enough to know the exact amount but I know some are paid despite the result which I feel is a negative thing.

As for Toronto, I know they spoke informally to someone about next year but not sure on who will be there. Won't be Jovcevski though next season. I really doubt it

[BigSam]

Our 23's was supposed to do it but they all left. Not good enough IMO. I'm not involved enough to know the exact amount but I know some are paid despite the result which I feel is a negative thing.

As for Toronto, I know they spoke informally to someone about next year but not sure on who will be there. Won't be Jovcevski though next season. I really doubt it


maybe its a culture thing at the club? the 23s don't support the club and first grade coach and assistant, they should be hanging around busting there gut to play first team football...

ive just looked at the tables, all teams are going ok? no issues externally from what I can see

[seldom]

Stags need to find a better coach than a current assistant coach who was moved on previously

[NewyTy]

maybe its a culture thing at the club? the 23s don't support the club and first grade coach and assistant, they should be hanging around busting there gut to play first team football...

ive just looked at the tables, all teams are going ok? no issues externally from what I can see

I don't think it's not supporting the coaches. It's just the feeling at Cooks Hill. No one is from Cooks Hill, community isn't really behind the club like some others. I think we're better off under the current regime than the old one.

[monz6]

maybe its a culture thing at the club? the 23s don't support the club and first grade coach and assistant, they should be hanging around busting there gut to play first team football...

ive just looked at the tables, all teams are going ok? no issues externally from what I can see

I wouldn't wanna play for him

[BigSam]

I wouldn't wanna play for him

Play under who? stags or cookers?


pretty big contrast in coaches and ability between the two/results wise

[mervan]

What are you saying stop with the riddles, just say it

[BigSam]

Some interesting fixtures up this weekend? Any predictions out there? Still confident that the current top 4 will remain all season, and the following 4-5 teams will battle it out for the mid table spots

[LongSufferingFan]

Some interesting fixtures up this weekend? Any predictions out there? Still confident that the current top 4 will remain all season, and the following 4-5 teams will battle it out for the mid table spots

Defining weekend for BelSwans.
After having a super start to the season and overachieving IMO, they have fallen away a bit recently across all the grades.

If they can get some sort of result against Lakes this weekend then I would consider them certainties for finals in first grade.
If they lose then that could open the door for Thornton, Cooks Hill or Westy (never thought I would say that!) to make a challenge for the top 4.

[GO AWAY]

I think if you look at most clubs around town its a small group that help pack up the ground etc, something players don't often do, often left to the committee and volunteers to pick up the scraps of an afternoon....


Are you suggesting you are not happy with the current staff at present?

Do agree with that and the stags, players of past and present seem to be active, seems as though he has some following as he took players from one club to play at another- which coaches do I guess.


I believe in treating them right, as you never know who might want to come back, experience or not, if they have some players behind them give them a go


GO AWAY- did you watch the stags on sunday? apparently a few old boys up on the hill

No mate unfortunately , was at Azzuri v weston, who's these coaches / players we are talking about, I seen a photo of the hill and there was no one there that doesn't normally support the stags anywY

[BigSam]

No mate unfortunately , was at Azzuri v weston, who's these coaches / players we are talking about, I seen a photo of the hill and there was no one there that doesn't normally support the stags anywY



Ahk, it was a scrappy game tbh, Kahibah didn't get into gear until late in the game, Toronto are leaking goals at an alarming rate....

Kahibah play cooks hill this weekend and I will predict they will score 3/4 past them... Cookers seem like shot ducks at present, with the quality they have should be doing much better, attitude is the problem from what I can see, and the demise to concede 5 goals in a half against Kahibah round 1 could be writing on the wall

not sure of the person name GO AWAY, but it was a younger guy chatting with fellow players and discussing future plans

[mervan]

Ahk, it was a scrappy game tbh, Kahibah didn't get into gear until late in the game, Toronto are leaking goals at an alarming rate....

Kahibah play cooks hill this weekend and I will predict they will score 3/4 past them... Cookers seem like shot ducks at present, with the quality they have should be doing much better, attitude is the problem from what I can see, and the demise to concede 5 goals in a half against Kahibah round 1 could be writing on the wall

not sure of the person name GO AWAY, but it was a younger guy chatting with fellow players and discussing future plans

wallsend 6 Toronto 1, Toronto completely outplayed.

wallsend also won the fight, even though it was a bit of a mismatch, 17 year old on a grown man, wallsend player(substitute) on the park all of 2 minutes 5-1 at this stage, king hits a Toronto guy and gets sent, the wallsend player inquestion didn't stay on the park long enough to get a touch on the ball. Player wouldn't leave, Wallsend coaches did not attempt to control him, poor look for wallsend, but there were only about 10 people there anyhow, terrible ground to watch the game.

By the way newysports Toronto 23's had there first win, expect a favourable review, yeah good luck.

[hawk]

All clubs go through upheaval, some more than others. I wonder how many of the current NPL1/2 teams will meet the new criteria for the next 3yr campaign? Most id expect. Closes June 30th I think.

[BigSam]

belswans cause the upset of the round and Kahibah flex there muscles! the top 4 is well established!


there is a clear divide with the teams, interesting to see if the lower place teams will look for youth for the remainder of the season to prepare for next year?


Kahibah are well organised side, still tipping lakes to win it

[stopper2]

wallsend 6 Toronto 1, Toronto completely outplayed.

wallsend also won the fight, even though it was a bit of a mismatch, 17 year old on a grown man, wallsend player(substitute) on the park all of 2 minutes 5-1 at this stage, king hits a Toronto guy and gets sent, the wallsend player inquestion didn't stay on the park long enough to get a touch on the ball. Player wouldn't leave, Wallsend coaches did not attempt to control him, poor look for wallsend, but there were only about 10 people there anyhow, terrible ground to watch the game.

By the way newysports Toronto 23's had there first win, expect a favourable review, yeah good luck.

Good point to bring up about the Wallsend coaches not reprimanding their own player.
Sad thing is, it seems to be an increasing common occurrence these days.
Not picking on Westy but lets it admit it, they are one of the more physical sides in NEWFM. You play the game like that, expect to get your fair share of yellow cards but it is bloody annoying when a player gets carded for an obviously reckless challenge and still has the gaul to dispute the challenge with the ref.
Happened on a few occasions against Southy on the weekend.
Where are the coach's in this situation? FFS have the balls to tell your own player to "cool it and get on with the game". A player was lucky not to get a red (only got yellow) on a "over the ball" challenge which liuckily didn't result in an injury, but still wanted to argue with the ref "you got to be joking".
This poor behaviour filters down from the coaches who just stand silently on the sideline and allow their own players to back-chat and even abuse the officials.

[stopper2]

belswans cause the upset of the round and Kahibah flex there muscles! the top 4 is well established!


there is a clear divide with the teams, interesting to see if the lower place teams will look for youth for the remainder of the season to prepare for next year?


Kahibah are well organised side, still tipping lakes to win it

Haven't seen all the teams but Belswans look to be right up there, have some good technical players and an abundance of speed.
Beating Lakes is hardly an upset.

[ForeverRed]

Fantastic day at ulinga yesterday, huge turn out for old boys day and the young first grade team put in a great performance, futures looking bright

[BigSam]

Haven't seen all the teams but Belswans look to be right up there, have some good technical players and an abundance of speed.
Beating Lakes is hardly an upset.


agree with the speed and counter attack like play! will put them in great shape come finals

Lakes would classify that as an upset so would 90% of people who follow this comp, just my opinion though...

[sancho_theswan]

agree with the speed and counter attack like play! will put them in great shape come finals

Lakes would classify that as an upset so would 90% of people who follow this comp, just my opinion though...

Beat the team once.... call it an "upset".
Beat the team twice.... it must be luck?????

[BigSam]

Beat the team once.... call it an "upset".
Beat the team twice.... it must be luck?????


Just beat them when it counts :) big victory for belswans and they will back it up on the weekend im assuming playing an out of form cookers side, backing them in this week Sancho?

[stopper2]

^^^^
Cessnock beating Belswans, now that was an upset (probably of the season) a few weeks back!

[Stanley]

Fantastic day at ulinga yesterday, huge turn out for old boys day and the young first grade team put in a great performance, futures looking bright

Great to hear good news coming out of Southy FR, how many old boys turned up ?

[BigSam]

could be some big scores this weekend!

Lakes to win by 5+, Sam Walker will cut through them, a coach will clearly found out on Lyall Peacock

Kahibah to win well vs westy

Belswans to by 4, cookers on the slide

[Why Blue]

Interesting watching Newyty TV this week, a kid from Cessnock, I think, played all four games on the one day, 17,19,23 & 1st grade

Great effort and I'm sure Newyty can tell us more

My question is do you think this could happen in NPL ??
I don't think it could........aside from the 17's playing a different day and time

A younger player at NPL 19's has to earn a starting position first, then consolidate that, he then might be asked to train with 22's/ senior squad but would do that for some time before maybe getting a bench start ........1st grade.......well u would imagine that would be very difficult and defineatly not all in the one day

So what does this say about the std of New FM??

Just interested in others thoughts

[NewyTy]

could be some big scores this weekend!

Lakes to win by 5+, Sam Walker will cut through them, a coach will clearly found out on Lyall Peacock

Kahibah to win well vs westy

Belswans to by 4, cookers on the slide

I think said coach was found out weeks ago. 32 goals to 5 in their last six games says a lot. Heard some changes for Cooks Hill this week so maybe closer than one would think. Then again thought the same thing last week after a decent first half. Top four looking set in stone at this stage. Premiership race will be a tight one though.

And to Why Blue, yes Cessnock 17's striker played all four games, admittedly only 10 minutes off of bench for 1st but still an achievement. His dad played footy for Balmain so kid is athletic but a big ask. I doubt you'd see it in NPL.

I don't think it says anything about the standard. This is the team that sit bottom of the table. Wouldn't see it at Lakes. Wallsend wouldn't do it, Kahibah wouldn't. There's no-one at those three clubs I can think of in 17's that'd play 1st grade this year. Sure there's long term future first graders but it's something I've only seen Cessnock do. Cooks Hill have done well promoting younger players as have Thornton and Singleton. Playing all games as far as I'm concerned is a rare one-off.

[Why Blue]

Ok, take on board your comments and agree that it was a rare occurance and unlikely to happen at a stronger club, maybe if the kid has a bit of potential he needs to go to one of the stronger clubs

I know Cooks Hill have tried promoting younger players, but do you think it has worked ?? Or do they have deeper issues.
One I know who has recently been promoted, last two games has not had a good time if it, couple of big lopsided results, but this is part of my question re std of NewFM, same kid couldn't get a start at his NPLclub in 19's .....goes to NewFM and plays 1st grade ???
One at Kahibah the same, probably more

[BigSam]

I think said coach was found out weeks ago. 32 goals to 5 in their last six games says a lot. Heard some changes for Cooks Hill this week so maybe closer than one would think. Then again thought the same thing last week after a decent first half. Top four looking set in stone at this stage. Premiership race will be a tight one though.

And to Why Blue, yes Cessnock 17's striker played all four games, admittedly only 10 minutes off of bench for 1st but still an achievement. His dad played footy for Balmain so kid is athletic but a big ask. I doubt you'd see it in NPL.

I don't think it says anything about the standard. This is the team that sit bottom of the table. Wouldn't see it at Lakes. Wallsend wouldn't do it, Kahibah wouldn't. There's no-one at those three clubs I can think of in 17's that'd play 1st grade this year. Sure there's long term future first graders but it's something I've only seen Cessnock do. Cooks Hill have done well promoting younger players as have Thornton and Singleton. Playing all games as far as I'm concerned is a rare one-off.



Hmmm interesting Ty


I know both coach and assistant coach and previously when they coached at separate clubs Weston and Toronto, they gave youth an opportunity, at Toronto a few are pushing first grade now from the opportunity and the other is playing well at Lakes 17s


You happy to see Youth being pushed at Cooks Hill, Ty?

[The Postman]

Interesting watching Newyty TV this week, a kid from Cessnock, I think, played all four games on the one day, 17,19,23 & 1st grade

Great effort and I'm sure Newyty can tell us more

My question is do you think this could happen in NPL ??
I don't think it could........aside from the 17's playing a different day and time

A younger player at NPL 19's has to earn a starting position first, then consolidate that, he then might be asked to train with 22's/ senior squad but would do that for some time before maybe getting a bench start ........1st grade.......well u would imagine that would be very difficult and defineatly not all in the one day

So what does this say about the std of New FM??

Just interested in others thoughts

Heard Cessnock had about 10 players out of their first grade/23s teams that day, could explain it.

The best kids regardless of what Comp it is, pretty much go straight to first grade. If you are good enough, you are old enough is the old saying.

[NewyTy]

Cessnock did indeed have a few out but the youngster in question is a handy attacker and has four goals in the last two weeks, two of which were crackers. Whether he'd cut it at a stronger club I guess we don't know.

Cooks Hill have done well with youth this year. That kid in question Why Blue was subbed off at the weekend despite in my honest opinion showing much more heart than another midfielder by his side who's attitude on and off field should see him benched. That's poor coaching and I'm hoping for a few changes this week. It wasn't that long ago that the Cookers got toweled up by Belswans and they won't want to do the same.

Toronto do seem to be looking ahead to next year and beyond. They've got forward-thinking people behind the scenes and are scouting to bring back a few locals, some of them young and high potential. Toronto and the West Lake area has produced quality in the past and it'd be great to see the club retain some of those players from now on and become a force.

[GO AWAY]

Cessnock did indeed have a few out but the youngster in question is a handy attacker and has four goals in the last two weeks, two of which were crackers. Whether he'd cut it at a stronger club I guess we don't know.

Cooks Hill have done well with youth this year. That kid in question Why Blue was subbed off at the weekend despite in my honest opinion showing much more heart than another midfielder by his side who's attitude on and off field should see him benched. That's poor coaching and I'm hoping for a few changes this week. It wasn't that long ago that the Cookers got toweled up by Belswans and they won't want to do the same.

Toronto do seem to be looking ahead to next year and beyond. They've got forward-thinking people behind the scenes and are scouting to bring back a few locals, some of them young and high potential. Toronto and the West Lake area has produced quality in the past and it'd be great to see the club retain some of those players from now on and become a force.

Who are coaches at Toronto ? unfortunately its always been hard for the club to attract players, and keep juniors. Theres a age group of kids turning 18yo this year, of kids doing real well in NPL. One getting First grade time at Azzuri, one in 22s at azzuri, one first grade Kahibah ( admittedly Newfm ) , one Edgy 22s and the other U18 emerging jets, add in the minor boys from Coal Point, Remmo, Jobe, Mcpherson etc etc all being T/A juniors but had to play elsewhere at a higher level. Hard to get them back but with the right bloke running the place, like there is now, they will get back to the top one day

[beaten favourite]

Cessnock did indeed have a few out but the youngster in question is a handy attacker and has four goals in the last two weeks, two of which were crackers. Whether he'd cut it at a stronger club I guess we don't know.

Cooks Hill have done well with youth this year. That kid in question Why Blue was subbed off at the weekend despite in my honest opinion showing much more heart than another midfielder by his side who's attitude on and off field should see him benched. That's poor coaching and I'm hoping for a few changes this week. It wasn't that long ago that the Cookers got toweled up by Belswans and they won't want to do the same.

Toronto do seem to be looking ahead to next year and beyond. They've got forward-thinking people behind the scenes and are scouting to bring back a few locals, some of them young and high potential. Toronto and the West Lake area has produced quality in the past and it'd be great to see the club retain some of those players from now on and become a force.

Had some time to sit down and watch the Kahibah v CHUFC replay the other night and agree. The little blonde kid (no 5 I think) in the middle of the park was a real positive, worked hard, tidy on the ball certainly has potential. The bloke I assume you're referring to sitting in the hole behind the striker was awful. Some of the worst body language I've seen. I've seen slugs with higher work rates. Pretty poor from a supposed marquee signing. Overall I thought CHUFC's effort was good just really lacking a target up front (Pete from last year). They held the ball for decent periods but everytime they tried to cross hallfway the ball just came straight back. Hard to play football with no one giving you a focal point up top. A high quality hit man would be the difference between them pushing for top 4 and where they are currently. Hard to attract that level of strikers, just not that many floating around Newcastle.
I think there's plenty to build on they might need to be more careful which players they bring into the club, I'd prefer to see them bring these young fellas from 17's & 19's through who are CHUFC juniors with a sprinkling of older heads. Might take a couple of years but only way they'll develop a culture and be successful without bags of cash.
Anyway just my thoughts.....

[ForeverRed]

Great to hear good news coming out of Southy FR, how many old boys turned up ?
I think about 30 mate, it really was a great arvo, a few old boys did some canvassing to make sure people knew about it, although the result didn't go our way it was so encouraging watching 19/ 20 year olds play a decent style of footy, Andrew packer deserves to coach higher as his doing a fantastic job, his back ground speaks for itself, hopefully they'll regain entry to NPL next year

[NewyTy]

Toronto have Tony Jovcevski as coach who has admitted that he has a work schedule that sometimes makes it difficult to get the right job done. Haven't personally met the guy so can't be too harsh but I'd say they'll be looking at options for next year. That's from outside looking in. They do have a more solid structure this year off the field and behind the scenes.

Cooks Hill need a striker. Peter Pryce last year would have been the answer but unfortunately he works in Sydney so he wasn't able to commit this season. I'm assuming you mean the CAM who has been poor for someone with such a highly-regarded name but I'm talking about the CDM alongside the youngster. The engine room of the team and two of the three don't even look like they want to be there. I have a feeling the 23's striker will start on Sunday with Sparre to go wide and use his pace. That's the move I'd make. Drop the CAM and CDM to the bench as well.

You only need to look at a club like Singleton to prove what Cooks Hill should be doing. Instead of paying top $$$ to bring in former Socceroos for kids training camps, why not bring maybe the one former Jet (Griff?) and then a few of the club's First Graders. Gives the younger club members a chance to get to know the top side and aspire to be like them. Kahibah did extremely well last weekend with having its juniors involved in the match day feeling and I think that's the first step that should be taken.

[Why Blue]

It was so encouraging watching 19/ 20 year olds play a decent style of footy, hopefully they'll regain entry to NPL next year

Quick look at the table says lakes kahibah, Wallsend and bel swans would all be pissed if this happened in front of any of these teams, all out performing southy through out the age groups..........and don't start about facilities.....or the over achieving centre of excellence.......ffs

[ForeverRed]

Quick look at the table says lakes kahibah, Wallsend and bel swans would all be pissed if this happened in front of any of these teams, all out performing southy through out the age groups..........and don't start about facilities.....or the over achieving centre of excellence.......ffs

For those who aren't in the know, NPL promotion next year has Jack. To do with results, lakes are considered a shoe in, the other spot is up for grabs, having a current NPL license is a good look, I could be wrong but who knows, you need to get over the gunners, your continual bashing of a them is starting to make you look a little foolish, again

[Why Blue]

For those who aren't in the know, NPL promotion next year has Jack. To do with results, lakes are considered a shoe in, the other spot is up for grabs, having a current NPL license is a good look, I could be wrong but who knows, you need to get over the gunners, your continual bashing of a them is starting to make you look a little foolish, again.

Appreciate the update from such a well connected individual, those of us who aren't in the know can only aspire to reach your level

As I have said before, many times, I am very comfortable with my thinking being polar opposite to yours..........

[Why Blue]

Who are coaches at Toronto ? unfortunately its always been hard for the club to attract players, and keep juniors. Theres a age group of kids turning 18yo this year, of kids doing real well in NPL. One getting First grade time at Azzuri, one in 22s at azzuri, one first grade Kahibah ( admittedly Newfm ) , one Edgy 22s and the other U18 emerging jets, add in the minor boys from Coal Point, Remmo, Jobe, Mcpherson etc etc all being T/A juniors but had to play elsewhere at a higher level. Hard to get them back but with the right bloke running the place, like there is now, they will get back to the top one day

I remember when stags had that age group, you and others from stags approached morriset & west lakes about combining one team in each age group to play A grade
Not a bad idea, just couldn't get the ego's to agree, west lakes had not a bad group of boys two yrs younger I think from memory and the then president, whose son was in that group was never going to let his kid out of his control, killed it dead......stupid in the end......kids eventually left, Macquarie wanted them to play in an A grade team, so in the end stags west lakes all lost thier talented kids

[ForeverRed]

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Appreciate the update from such a well connected individual, those of us who aren't in the know can only aspire to reach your level

As I have said before, many times, I am very comfortable with my thinking being polar opposite to yours..........
I heard your straight jacket fitted well, I'm glad your comfortable

[Why Blue]

I heard your straight jacket fitted well, I'm glad your comfortable

Mate, I'm over the gunners, but what about all those NPL youth kids from 2014, do you think they are ???

Back in 2013 when southy committee sat on thier hands and hoped NPL Youth would go away.

But it didn't and while they sat around and hoped it would all go away all the other clubs had held trials and secured all the talented young kids, Southy trialled months later but no worries we arn't just an NPL Youth squad, we are a centre of excellence. Only problem, only kids left were the ones who missed out elsewhere and there were on quality coach's to guide these kids to excellence, it was more a centre for homeless
No drama's but, we still know gow to charge !!!!! $650 from each of you...........thanks very much, so now it's looking like a centre for collection of funds.......
2014 rolls around and all southy Yourh teams perform poorly, I personally know 6-7 kids from one age group,no coaching, no direction from club, lots of crap going on. Kids leave.............not one of the kids I know stayed past that year, 1/2 of them have given football away..........now that's a centre of excellence at its best

Then southy had the gall to do it all again in 2015............thank god it ended then

So yes I have little time for your club, or those involved with it........

[The Postman]

You would be surprised just how much participation and performance this year is to the application.

[ForeverRed]

Mate, I'm over the gunners, but what about all those NPL youth kids from 2014, do you think they are ???

Back in 2013 when southy committee sat on thier hands and hoped NPL Youth would go away.

But it didn't and while they sat around and hoped it would all go away all the other clubs had held trials and secured all the talented young kids, Southy trialled months later but no worries we arn't just an NPL Youth squad, we are a centre of excellence. Only problem, only kids left were the ones who missed out elsewhere and there were on quality coach's to guide these kids to excellence, it was more a centre for homeless
No drama's but, we still know gow to charge !!!!! $650 from each of you...........thanks very much, so now it's looking like a centre for collection of funds.......
2014 rolls around and all southy Yourh teams perform poorly, I personally know 6-7 kids from one age group,no coaching, no direction from club, lots of crap going on. Kids leave.............not one of the kids I know stayed past that year, 1/2 of them have given football away..........now that's a centre of excellence at its best

Then southy had the gall to do it all again in 2015............thank god it ended then

So yes I have little time for your club, or those involved with it........
You sound like a very angry dad whose kid just ain't up to it, stop living your kids life for him, poor fool

[Why Blue]

You sound like a very angry dad whose kid just ain't up to it, stop living your kids life for him, poor fool

And that has been your standard answer for any criticism of southy

Bloody parents trying to life thier unfulfilled sporting lives thru thier kids

Never once have you accepted any responsibility for the broken promises or taking money under false pretences
Always someone else's fault

For the record, you are way off and in my eyes you are the fool and confirm it with every post !!!!!!

[big jim]

Mate, I'm over the gunners, but what about all those NPL youth kids from 2014, do you think they are ???

Back in 2013 when southy committee sat on thier hands and hoped NPL Youth would go away.

But it didn't and while they sat around and hoped it would all go away all the other clubs had held trials and secured all the talented young kids, Southy trialled months later but no worries we arn't just an NPL Youth squad, we are a centre of excellence. Only problem, only kids left were the ones who missed out elsewhere and there were on quality coach's to guide these kids to excellence, it was more a centre for homeless
No drama's but, we still know gow to charge !!!!! $650 from each of you...........thanks very much, so now it's looking like a centre for collection of funds.......
2014 rolls around and all southy Yourh teams perform poorly, I personally know 6-7 kids from one age group,no coaching, no direction from club, lots of crap going on. Kids leave.............not one of the kids I know stayed past that year, 1/2 of them have given football away..........now that's a centre of excellence at its best

Then southy had the gall to do it all again in 2015............thank god it ended then

So yes I have little time for your club, or those involved with it........

Ahhhh yes the halicum days of the centre of excellence

Forever man you can rip into blue man all you like but proof is blinding, there was certainly nothing excellent about the centre
Well except for the $32k it put into the committees coffers
That they in turn so wisely spent on a player roster that took them to 2nd division

Facts brother hard to debate them

[ForeverRed]

And that has been your standard answer for any criticism of southy

Bloody parents trying to life thier unfulfilled sporting lives thru thier kids

Never once have you accepted any responsibility for the broken promises or taking money under false pretences
Always someone else's fault

For the record, you are way off and in my eyes you are the fool and confirm it with every post !!!!!!

The truth gets you hard, cop it sweet baby

[ForeverRed]

Ahhhh yes the halicum days of the centre of excellence

Forever man you can rip into blue man all you like but proof is blinding, there was certainly nothing excellent about the centre
Well except for the $32k it put into the committees coffers
That they in turn so wisely spent on a player roster that took them to 2nd division

Facts brother hard to debate them

I can see an accusation of stealing money here, be very careful what you say buddy, be very very careful, you may end up in court, or hospital

[big jim]

I can see an accusation of stealing money here, be very careful what you say buddy, be very very careful, you may end up in court, or hospital

Are you serious ?
I think you had better go and get that straight jacket off blue man before you do yourself any harm

There was no hint of stealing in my post nor had I even thought it
I was thinking more along the lines of using youth money to overpay underperformaning players but unfortunately that is not a criminal offence

That was my thought process, unless you know more ?

Also if need be my choice would be the hospital path, just saying

[Bremsstrahlung]

Mate, I'm over the gunners, but what about all those NPL youth kids from 2014, do you think they are ???

Back in 2013 when southy committee sat on thier hands and hoped NPL Youth would go away.

But it didn't and while they sat around and hoped it would all go away all the other clubs had held trials and secured all the talented young kids, Southy trialled months later but no worries we arn't just an NPL Youth squad, we are a centre of excellence. Only problem, only kids left were the ones who missed out elsewhere and there were on quality coach's to guide these kids to excellence, it was more a centre for homeless
No drama's but, we still know gow to charge !!!!! $650 from each of you...........thanks very much, so now it's looking like a centre for collection of funds.......
2014 rolls around and all southy Yourh teams perform poorly, I personally know 6-7 kids from one age group,no coaching, no direction from club, lots of crap going on. Kids leave.............not one of the kids I know stayed past that year, 1/2 of them have given football away..........now that's a centre of excellence at its best

Then southy had the gall to do it all again in 2015............thank god it ended then

So yes I have little time for your club, or those involved with it........

Clarify for me what exactly you have an issue with?

The fact they were late with trials? So what, all the trials cannot be on the same day. The fact they got the left over kids is just desserts for holding late trials, i'm sure those kids and parents weren't complaining when their son got into a NPL team.

The fact they charged the same as other clubs? Cause as far as I'm concerned $650 is pretty average and on par or less than other NPL clubs that are fleecing juniors.

The fact some kids aged 13-17 gave up football? Maybe they just didn't like it? Maybe they didn't have the heart for it? One bad season and they give up, obviously weren't meant to play NPL.

I played at another club, one you have ties to, and their treatment of players/families in that particular team was worse than what you describe above. 4 of us continued to play NBN the year after at different clubs and the rest gave up after being treated like shit.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Ahhhh yes the halicum days of the centre of excellence

Forever man you can rip into blue man all you like but proof is blinding, there was certainly nothing excellent about the centre
Well except for the $32k it put into the committees coffers
That they in turn so wisely spent on a player roster that took them to 2nd division

Facts brother hard to debate them
I think thats the bit you alluded to stealing, FYI.

[Why Blue]

Clarify for me what exactly you have an issue with?

The fact they were late with trials? So what, all the trials cannot be on the same day. The fact they got the left over kids is just desserts for holding late trials, i'm sure those kids and parents weren't complaining when their son got into a NPL team.

The fact they charged the same as other clubs? Cause as far as I'm concerned $650 is pretty average and on par or less than other NPL clubs that are fleecing juniors.

The fact some kids aged 13-17 gave up football? Maybe they just didn't like it? Maybe they didn't have the heart for it? One bad season and they give up, obviously weren't meant to play NPL.

I played at another club, one you have ties to, and their treatment of players/families in that particular team was worse than what you describe above. 4 of us continued to play NBN the year after at different clubs and the rest gave up after being treated like shit.

I suppose this just means that I have different views to you as well

[Why Blue]

I can see an accusation of stealing money here, be very careful what you say buddy, be very very careful, you may end up in court, or hospital

Fire up red

My reading of jumbos comment didn't raise any thought of any thing untoward
But then again I'm not in the know !!!

[Bremsstrahlung]

Fire up red

My reading of jumbos comment didn't raise any thought of any thing untoward
But then again I'm not in the know !!!

To be fair, the first time i read the post i interpreted it the same as FR. The lack of punctuation and formatting makes it read as though, "Except for the 32k that went into the committee's coffers (accounts)" and not "Well except for the $32k it put into the committees coffers that they in turn so wisely spent on a player roster that took them to 2nd division".

[ForeverRed]

Are you serious ?
I think you had better go and get that straight jacket off blue man before you do yourself any harm

There was no hint of stealing in my post nor had I even thought it
I was thinking more along the lines of using youth money to overpay underperformaning players but unfortunately that is not a criminal offence

That was my thought process, unless you know more ?

Also if need be my choice would be the hospital path, just saying

$32k put into committee coffers, sounds like an accusation to me

[ForeverRed]

Unlike Azzurri I can say south cardiff have a junior base, charlestown were quick to move you on after they realised all Azzurri wanted was their kids money, try putting that in your NPL application, no juniors, maybe you can steal kahibah or Dudley but don't try and start your own, no, we will just hitch a ride at someone else's expense,

[big jim]

$32k put into committee coffers, sounds like an accusation to me

Ok I will rephrase as I intended it to sound and to take away any misconception

$32k put into club coffers for committee to waste youth revenue on over paying under achieving senior squad

But won't back away from your hostile challenge, who did you really think you were going to scare? Oh no some keyboard jockey wants to hurt me, grow up buddy, think things thru before you make threats
Now just let me know were you want to meet, court or hospital happy to oblige
Your call

[ForeverRed]

So is this an apology, I take it you think Weston and Adamstown are doing he same this year then

[big jim]

So is this an apology, I take it you think Weston and Adamstown are doing he same this year then

It's a rephrase to avoid mis conception

[Why Blue]

Whoa boys.......keyboards at 30 paces

Red, settle down at best what jumbo said is open to interpretation, no one will ever get hung on that

Jumbo, Red ain't gonna fight ya so ease up

Great to disagree and have discussions but threats are a bit out of line

[monz6]

Well except for the $32k it put into the committees coffers
That they in turn so wisely spent on a player roster that took them to 2nd division



You can clearly see that he's not accusing anyone of stealing hahhahahaha

"That they wisely spent on a player roster"

I have no idea re southy youth but saying he's suggesting theft is quite amazing.

[hawk]

***Enough***

We know the top tier(s) arent perfect and fees are outrageous, and 1st teams are sometimes mercenaries but this discussion is finished.

[Ker-Plunk]

yay good call , watch westy play Kahibah , westy wanted win more and caused the upset . PS, THERE ARE SOME DICKHEADS on this feed

[NewyTy]

Westy result makes me wish I went there to watch. Was out at Lyall Peacock (Toronto v Lakes) and the scores were:

1st Grade: 6-0 Lakes (Stags started well but completely played off the park in second half. Not sure where the answers come from. Six or seven straight heavy losses.)
23's: 5-0 Lakes (Again same story, one-sided. Stags lack a goalscorer and have been competitive in recent weeks...just not today.)
19's: 2-0 Lakes (Sounds close but Lakes should have had more. Had a key winger and top scorer out as well)
17's: 2-1 Toronto (Big win that changes the lead at the top of the table. Stags wanted it more and treated it as a true derby. Fun game to watch.)

[The Postman]

Toronto have a major problem of not being able to play 90 minutes, it was a back and forth match for about 35 or so. Has been the pattern the last few weeks.

It was pleasing to see so many locals playing though, was told that it was 7 juniors starting all aged 18-20 and 3 more who came off the bench.

Young kids learning some tough lessons who will be better for it in the long run.

[tucker's daughter]

yay good call , watch westy play Kahibah , westy wanted win more and caused the upset . PS, THERE ARE SOME DICKHEADS on this feed

West Wallsend have turned their season around with 4 wins and a draw from their last 5 games. They seem to be a lot more creative since Rowey took Olivieri out of centre half and pushed him into midfield. A great move . While the big fellas pace was hurting them defensively, his touch and vision in midfield makes adds something different to the group that they didn't have before. His turn between 2 players against Cessnock a weeks ago was sublime .

[NewyTy]

Toronto are doing well behind the scenes as I've said countless times. They'll be a side to watch next year and beyond if they can get some of the names they want into the club. Today they met a very tough team to play against and learnt a lesson about not playing beyond the first twenty or thirty minutes of the game. On the field it looks bleak but I for one can see the potential.

And yes Westy have turned it around. I hadn't thought to put so much of that to Olivieri's move to midfield but that seems to have played a large part. Credit to young Van Kemenade who has come into the squad and slotted in well at CB. All's going well there and definitely a dark horse for finals football. Beating Kahibah is a start. Big test away to Lakes next week. Westy's home form is quality, away from home I'm not sure just yet.

[BigSam]

Any big talking points from the weekend?

Stags towelled up again, the defence and goal keeper must be hating the 3 at the back system that TJ seems to play? Surely they would realise the system isn't working?

Cessnock and Southy 4-4 draw


Cooks Hill down 2-0 early and battled back against belswans, seen newysports review, and must of been good for the coach and assistant to see the kids having a go....


TY- much happier with the closer game this week lol

[GO AWAY]

Toronto are doing well behind the scenes as I've said countless times. They'll be a side to watch next year and beyond if they can get some of the names they want into the club. Today they met a very tough team to play against and learnt a lesson about not playing beyond the first twenty or thirty minutes of the game. On the field it looks bleak but I for one can see the potential.

And yes Westy have turned it around. I hadn't thought to put so much of that to Olivieri's move to midfield but that seems to have played a large part. Credit to young Van Kemenade who has come into the squad and slotted in well at CB. All's going well there and definitely a dark horse for finals football. Beating Kahibah is a start. Big test away to Lakes next week. Westy's home form is quality, away from home I'm not sure just yet.

NW is apparently doing a great job at the stags as I knew he would, it is all great having locals play for the club, but the problems come, if they are not up to it, as they obviously aren't just yet, they get thrown in to First Grade, they all of a sudden think, im a first grader now, its when NW and committee recruit some experience and these young locals have to go back to 23s/19s for a couple of years they get their nose out of joint. Trust me I have seen kids play first grade at Toronto that really weren't ready, if they ever would be, bu ti have faith in NW and I hope these young locals hang around if the experienced out of towners come in. Only need a few big names that will play for the famous gold and blue and not the $$$$$$$

[BigSam]

NW is apparently doing a great job at the stags as I knew he would, it is all great having locals play for the club, but the problems come, if they are not up to it, as they obviously aren't just yet, they get thrown in to First Grade, they all of a sudden think, im a first grader now, its when NW and committee recruit some experience and these young locals have to go back to 23s/19s for a couple of years they get their nose out of joint. Trust me I have seen kids play first grade at Toronto that really weren't ready, if they ever would be, bu ti have faith in NW and I hope these young locals hang around if the experienced out of towners come in. Only need a few big names that will play for the famous gold and blue and not the $$$$$$$




I have to agree here... from all reports the new president is doing a fantastic job, off the field they seem to be doing well but on it is another story? I think in the past 5 weeks they've won 1 game across all grades? would agree though young kids are getting chucked in and walking around with egos, will be nice to see when they get dropped how they handle it? Something the coach must handle with care.


surely the coach is under huge amounts of pressure

[NewyTy]

First coaching movement of the season has been made. Josh Rufo has left Wallsend in mutual terms. Heard from both sides and just seems some creative differences played a part. Hoping to see Rufo coach next year somewhere. Great guy and quality coach.

[sancho_theswan]

First coaching movement of the season has been made. Josh Rufo has left Wallsend in mutual terms. Heard from both sides and just seems some creative differences played a part. Hoping to see Rufo coach next year somewhere. Great guy and quality coach.

Well that seems a bit random. Wouldn't think that they would be the first club to loose a coach, seeing how some other clubs are performing.

[seldom]

First coaching movement of the season has been made. Josh Rufo has left Wallsend in mutual terms. Heard from both sides and just seems some creative differences played a part. Hoping to see Rufo coach next year somewhere. Great guy and quality coach.

wow.......who's got them now ?

[NewyTy]

wow.......who's got them now ?

Senior players for the rest of the season along with the lower grade coaches is what I was told.

[namwob99]

He have appropriate license for npl?

[NewyTy]

He have appropriate license for npl?

B-License? Told me he is thinking of getting one this year. Even the current New-FM clubs when it changes to NPL2 have to have a coach with a B-License and a Technical Director with a B-License.

[Retro Jet]

B-License? Told me he is thinking of getting one this year. Even the current New-FM clubs when it changes to NPL2 have to have a coach with a B-License and a Technical Director with a B-License.

I'd like to be corrected on this and it's from someone in between C & B Licences but that person told me
there's only 4 or 5 people with FFA/AFC B licenses in the whole area. If that's true then...:blush: to NNSWF or FFA
or who ever is pushing this agenda.

[Retro Jet]

On another note, if you're playing Sunday games I'd be looking at making other plans kids.

http://www.bom.gov.au/nsw/forecasts/newcastle.shtml
90% for 8-25mm predicted by BOM this far out for Saturday and 95%!! 25-70mm :shock: for Sunday?
Weekend write off...
Good for my water tanks though :rof:

EDIT: In case there was any doubt...check out Saturday 07:00 to Monday 04:00, especially from Sunday 04:00.
http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/viewer/index.shtml
I guess that's a bona fide East Coast Low.
70mm is a conservative guesstimation.

[sancho_theswan]

On another note, if you're playing Sunday games I'd be looking at making other plans kids.

http://www.bom.gov.au/nsw/forecasts/newcastle.shtml
90% for 8-25mm predicted by BOM this far out for Saturday and 95%!! 25-70mm :shock: for Sunday?
Weekend write off...
Good for my water tanks though :rof:

EDIT: In case there was any doubt...check out Saturday 07:00 to Monday 04:00, especially from Sunday 04:00.
http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/viewer/index.shtml
I guess that's a bona fide East Coast Low.
70mm is a conservative guesstimation.

Belswans are away this weekend...... anyone want to hire a ground?????? I think they'd consider that weather ground irrigation at Blacksmiths haha.

[Zico]

Belswans are away this weekend...... anyone want to hire a ground?????? I think they'd consider that weather ground irrigation at Blacksmiths haha.
Southy will still play with the chicken pens irrigation.

[sancho_theswan]

Southy will still play with the chicken pens irrigation.

Chill out with the Southie negativity will you Zicoman...
irrigation = drainage????I don't understand.

Anyhow it appears to be a good weekend for ducks coming up..... Swannies like it a little drier.

[Retro Jet]

It gets even better.
Go to 1am Sunday (http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/viewer/index.shtml?type=mslp-precip&tz=AEDT&area=NSW&model=R&chartSubmit=Refresh+View).
Big fat purple patch flogging down upon us 'bout then.
Cookers might still get on.

[NewyTy]

It gets even better.
Go to 1am Sunday (http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/viewer/index.shtml?type=mslp-precip&tz=AEDT&area=NSW&model=R&chartSubmit=Refresh+View).
Big fat purple patch flogging down upon us 'bout then.
Cookers might still get on.

I'm not doing my weekly write-up as I'm feeling hardly any games will go ahead. My app says 40-80mm for Saturday so even if AthField is on it may get a little wet. Have to bring some cover for my speaker system if I use it. I'm planning on going up to Singo on Sunday but have doubts looking at the forecast.

[hawk]

It gets even better.
Go to 1am Sunday (http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/viewer/index.shtml?type=mslp-precip&tz=AEDT&area=NSW&model=R&chartSubmit=Refresh+View).
Big fat purple patch flogging down upon us 'bout then.
Cookers might still get on.

Aths has always been good in the wet. Can it still handle the wet with all the work done retro?

[Retro Jet]

I had time today to mow across both 18s and start again from the 1/2 way line out the the
centre circle edges so it was OK to take the Jacobsen across it.
The rain we've had to date might tip it over the too damp side though.
We're still checking it early tomorrow morning regardless of what happens tonight.

[Retro Jet]

Cooks Hill v Wallsend - OFF

[WWMTD?]

Aths has always been good in the wet. Can it still handle the wet with all the work done retro?

It does not handle it as well as it used to unfortunately, still ok if it rains the day before, but if it's rain overnight/on the day..not much better than any other pitch

[sancho_theswan]

Belswans.... top of the table atm, following a pretty unconvincing win at Singo yesterday. Two late goals got them home. Will need a big improvement next weekend against the Jaffas.

[BP Super Dynamos]

Thornton went down 3-2 after being behind 3-0. Tough fight back and Lakes were lucky to hang on. Lakes are most definitely beatable and should Belswans keep winning, first place is up for grabs

[BP Super Dynamos]

Also, Corey Fletcher was taken away in an ambulance. Any news on his condition?

[front2]

Any updated results from these weekend fixtures.

[hawk]

Any updated results from these weekend fixtures.

only on isport. they all up

[NewyTy]

Big news today. Wallsend and West Wallsend stripped of points. Wallsend for fielding a suspended player against Toronto and Belswans and Westy for the same against Kahibah. 3-0 wins awarded to the other teams and suddenly top four doesn't look so solid. Cookers v Wallsend tonight very interesting all of a sudden

[mervan]

Big news today. Wallsend and West Wallsend stripped of points. Wallsend for fielding a suspended player against Toronto and Belswans and Westy for the same against Kahibah. 3-0 wins awarded to the other teams and suddenly top four doesn't look so solid. Cookers v Wallsend tonight very interesting all of a sudden

That's pretty poor administration. Is that why the coach got the axe or left? That's a lot of points for Wallsend to lose

[winner]

Any scores from tonight's games

[dan]

Cookers v Wallsend
23's. 1-1
1sts. HT 0-0

[dan]

Cookers v Wallsend
1st grade: 0-1 Wallsend

[NewyTy]

That's pretty poor administration. Is that why the coach got the axe or left? That's a lot of points for Wallsend to lose

No I don't think that's why he left. Certainly interesting and seems a lack of communication. Would have been costly if they went down tonight but a win helped the situation. Still ruins their premiership hopes

[mervan]

No I don't think that's why he left. Certainly interesting and seems a lack of communication. Would have been costly if they went down tonight but a win helped the situation. Still ruins their premiership hopes

The player involve must also take the blame, surely you can count to five

[Retro Jet]

I think it's high time that an electronic copy of all team sheets was taken post match by home clubs and forwarded to
the opposition clubs Secretary/Club Contact + NNSWF CC'd in (as proof it was sent...they don't have to open or save them)
Then it would be clear that clubs have a record of what transcribed as far as referee decisions is concerned.
It would certainly make my job in the club easier. :grin:

[Local Rules]

It isn't rocket science people. There is a thing called a spreadsheet that should be used by each club for all players and cards entered after each game. I agree if sheets are sent to NNSWFF then they should be the ones that are notifying clubs when a player is on 4 cards so they are aware of a possible suspension coming up.

It wouldn't take that long to do and the question has to be asked what does the competition administrator do once all registrations and clubs are sorted.

[pv4]

I put this issue entirely down to NNSW, and not the clubs.

A few years ago I was playing and we rested a player who had received his 5th yellow card from referees that season. He played the next week after he was rested, got a yellow card, and we then got a letter from NNSW saying he was suspended the next game for accruing 5 yellows. It turns out the referee, or NNSW, or someone hadn't recorded one of his first yellows. So we rested him for a week for no reason.

The next week the club asked NNSW for a list of all players and what cards they were currently on & it was as if we were asking for the worlds biggest favour. A lot of bitching & moaning, and in the end it turned out a few players who had 3+ cards had been recorded incorrectly for some reason.

Every single player should be available and eligible to play every single week unless specifically notified by the federation otherwise. Absolutely no responsibility should be taken by the club, ever, IMO (apart from making sure team sheets or whatever are submitted, however that goes down).

[dan]

Each grades coaching staff (at WFC) are issued with a match day report which has things such as starting lineup,subs,goals,cards,players player votes etc. So providing they're filled out correctly (by the coaching staff) the information should be there for the coaching staff & committee to know when a player needs a spell.

[Sideline]

Also, Corey Fletcher was taken away in an ambulance. Any news on his condition?

Any word? heard this was a sickening collision with his goalkeeper and there was some serious concerns for his head and neck

[NewyTy]

Any word? heard this was a sickening collision with his goalkeeper and there was some serious concerns for his head and neck

Lakes FB page updated that no serious neck/head damage just a chipped bone in his wrist. In plaster but safe from any potentially serious injuries which is great. On the field, Lakes definitely put the disappointment of losing top spot due to the points controversy and all that. 7-0 over Westy is a big result.

[MFKS]

It isn't rocket science people. There is a thing called a spreadsheet that should be used by each club for all players and cards entered after each game. I agree if sheets are sent to NNSWFF then they should be the ones that are notifying clubs when a player is on 4 cards so they are aware of a possible suspension coming up.

It wouldn't take that long to do and the question has to be asked what does the competition administrator do once all registrations and clubs are sorted.

So wouldn't it be too much for one of the paid staff at Northern to be keeping these records and supplying them to the clubs each week??

What for this league it would take an hour to set up a spreadsheet/ database. 20 mins for each grade each week to update and 5 seconds to email the clubs with the updated list each week

What exactly the **** do the paid staff at Northern actually do??

[pv4]

So wouldn't it be too much for one of the paid staff at Northern to be keeping these records and supplying them to the clubs each week??

What for this league it would take an hour to set up a spreadsheet/ database. 20 mins for each grade each week to update and 5 seconds to email the clubs with the updated list each week

What exactly the **** do the paid staff at Northern actually do??

Your post implies that they already don't keep this database. But they evidently do, because they obviously are keeping track of cards somehow - it seems they just take a while to catch up/cotton on.

So as far as I can tell, they're already keeping this spreadsheet/database. So from the outside, it only seems like they have to add the email to their weekly routine. It shouldn't be hard, and it shouldn't be anyone elses responsibility except the federation (aka the governing body).

It reeks of unprofessionalism (sp) that all too frequently shows itself under the current administration.

The only difference between this cockup by NNSW and say, the Guy Bates thing, is they let Adamstown off for NNSW's mistake but decided to punish the Wallsends for NNSW's mistake this time round.

[MFKS]

Your post implies that they already don't keep this database. But they evidently do, because they obviously are keeping track of cards somehow - it seems they just take a while to catch up/cotton on.

So as far as I can tell, they're already keeping this spreadsheet/database. So from the outside, it only seems like they have to add the email to their weekly routine. It shouldn't be hard, and it shouldn't be anyone elses responsibility except the federation (aka the governing body).

It reeks of unprofessionalism (sp) that all too frequently shows itself under the current administration.

The only difference between this cockup by NNSW and say, the Guy Bates thing, is they let Adamstown off for NNSW's mistake but decided to punish the Wallsends for NNSW's mistake this time round.

If you can put it out in an email then it ain't any harder to have the thing uploaded to the website every week either is it??

But that just once again highlights the amatuer organization that Northern is

[The Postman]

They do a have Database and clubs do have access to it

[BigSam]

They do a have Database and clubs do have access to it



The Postman? what is going on out at Toronto? Another L with the midweek fixture, Cessnock play some good football at times and seem hard to beat


with the cards this should be looked after by NNSW or maybe next year pay newsports to do it?

[Dontknowmuch]

The Postman? what is going on out at Toronto? Another L with the midweek fixture, Cessnock play some good football at times and seem hard to beat


with the cards this should be looked after by NNSW or maybe next year pay newsports to do it?

Why do we blame NNSW for everything, they may as well not have rules if clubs pick and choose which ones they want to follow. Rules say the onus is on the clubs, for whatever reason the clubs didn't follow this rule. The club have no right to whinge or appeal, the rule is clear and been that way for years. How hard is it for someone from a club to log on and print out a report or do their own spreadsheet of cards that have recorded of the back of each weeks team sheets. Not hard, NNSW have done the right thing here the offending clubs should also be fined.

[NewyTy]

I haven't had too much of a say on this but thought I'd put in my two cents. I started the year with the intention to keep goalscorers and cards for every grade and every game....cards lasted one round and goals are very difficult to get every week. Could it be better? Yes. I was told of how they use an electronic system on the Central Coast that shows a player as suspended on the team sheets (team sheets are done on iPads/iPhones or something like that apparently.)

End of the day, NNSWF could do better next year via a few different ways but this year, the rules clearly state that it's up to the clubs. I can't bag out the federation for this. They've followed the rules and the two clubs involved have made the mistakes. I know at Cooks Hill, one of our committee blokes has a spreadsheet with everything on it, every single card and he gets every team sheet. As mentioned, I do the same with goalscorers and find it incredibly tough so cards would be something else. It may change next year but for now the rules were broken and the clubs were punished accordingly. What I want to know is if NNSWF are going to sweep through the 23's, 19's and 17's as you'd imagine there may be similar going on.

All that aside, we had some football played at the AthField tonight. Cooks Hill 17's downed Wallsend 3-0 in a quality performance to boost their hopes going into finals. 19's game was Wallsend 2-1 when it was abandoned due to a possible neck injury to a Wallsend player. Good news is that it seems he isn't injured as badly as originally thought but will be interesting to see if game gets replayed as Cookers v Kahibah did a few weeks back.

[front2]

Seems straight forward NewyTy. This u19s fixture will be replayed based on the time played. Precedent already set. Unfortunate for Wallsend.

[MFKS]

Why do we blame NNSW for everything, they may as well not have rules if clubs pick and choose which ones they want to follow. Rules say the onus is on the clubs, for whatever reason the clubs didn't follow this rule. The club have no right to whinge or appeal, the rule is clear and been that way for years. How hard is it for someone from a club to log on and print out a report or do their own spreadsheet of cards that have recorded of the back of each weeks team sheets. Not hard, NNSW have done the right thing here the offending clubs should also be fined.

Who is running the game??

They are

Any errors and the buck stops with them

As for your claim it is the clubs responsibility well look at WLG example.

The club kept records and refused to play a player based on those records and then had to suspend them again due to a **** up at Northern's end


Also like to point out clubs and players pay money in region fees etc.

What the **** does this money go towards??

It goes to paying people to run the game and competitions in this area not sit on their arses drinking Lattes looking at Lake Macquarie everyday.

They are doing a poor job and the buck stops with them

[NewyTy]

Who is running the game??

They are

Any errors and the buck stops with them

As for your claim it is the clubs responsibility well look at WLG example.

The club kept records and refused to play a player based on those records and then had to suspend them again due to a **** up at Northern's end


Also like to point out clubs and players pay money in region fees etc.

What the **** does this money go towards??

It goes to paying people to run the game and competitions in this area not sit on their arses drinking Lattes looking at Lake Macquarie everyday.

They are doing a poor job and the buck stops with them

Raise some very good points MFKS. It's obvious to every man and his dog that NNSWF don't care about New-FM. It's their ugly step-child to the NPL and that's why they're trying to change the rules, change the names, make the clubs jump through hoops. And yes, for the competition fees that are paid, it's questionable at the very least what it's for. Just heard the New-FM Grand Final is at Edgy and at least one New-FM club whose ground would be suitable weren't even informed or asked if they wanted it. More money into Edgy's pocket if you ask me.

[pv4]

They do a have Database and clubs do have access to it

I wasn't aware of this.

It makes me less angry at NNSW but still, IMO the onus is on them to tell clubs when they can and can't play whatever players.

Or hell, make the database completely public and that way every club & referee are aware and won't even allow the player to be put on the teamsheet.

It can't be hard.

[sancho_theswan]

I wasn't aware of this.

It makes me less angry at NNSW but still, IMO the onus is on them to tell clubs when they can and can't play whatever players.

Or hell, make the database completely public and that way every club & referee are aware and won't even allow the player to be put on the teamsheet.

It can't be hard.

I asked a committee member at Belswans and was told that clubs have to run a report from the MyFootballClub site. I guess that this is the database that clubs access. It think that it is a useless exercise (waste of time) in clubs keeping records if this is what the clubs have to access. If you go off your own records and they are not correct then you can run into issues either way???

[Why Blue]

Raise some very good points MFKS. It's obvious to every man and his dog that NNSWF don't care about New-FM. It's their ugly step-child to the NPL and that's why they're trying to change the rules, change the names, make the clubs jump through hoops. And yes, for the competition fees that are paid, it's questionable at the very least what it's for. Just heard the New-FM Grand Final is at Edgy and at least one New-FM club whose ground would be suitable weren't even informed or asked if they wanted it. More money into Edgy's pocket if you ask me.

Out of interest Newy were would you propose it to be held ??

[RANGER09]

In Zone league clubs are supposed to keep a record of cards for each player. If they have recorded enough cards for a suspension then it is stated for the clubs to check with the association before standing a player down.
Is clearly written in the disciplinary rules and regulations, not sure with NNSW but imagine
Zone rules would be mirrored off theirs.

[NewyTy]

Out of interest Newy were would you propose it to be held ??

In this case I was talking to Toronto-Awaba. Yes there'd be some who'd say Lyall Peacock wouldn't work as GF host but I was there at Weston last year and I believe Toronto would be suitable. Lakes ground also would have the potential to host it, even Westy if you want a nostalgia trip. I wouldn't do it at The Gardens due to the distance from the field to the stand and the dog track.

Obviously grounds like Kahibah, Cooks Hill, Thornton and Belswans in its' current configuration not suitable. Cessnock and Singleton could be made to work with some marquees and stuff set up but yeah, Toronto and Lakes the main grounds I'd like to see it at. It just makes sense to host the New-FM GF at a New-FM ground.

[sancho_theswan]

Bored and cold.......the wind is a bit fresh.
Someone ruffle my feathers for ***k sake.

[ForeverRed]

Bored and cold.......the wind is a bit fresh.
Someone ruffle my feathers for ***k sake.
Heard Lake Macquarie council are handing control of blacksmiths oval over to Valentine

[Ker-Plunk]

He said ruffle his feathers not pluck him

[Tonester]

Anyone know the score from today's game?

[ForeverRed]

1st 2 nil gunners,

gunners won all grades vs Toronto without conceding

[NewyTy]

Stags v Southy:

17's: Southy 1-0
19's: Southy 6-0
23's: Southy 3-0
1st: Southy 2-0

I was out at a very cold Johnston Park with the late kick-off at 4pm meaning the game went into darkness. Quality day of football between Westy and Thornton.

17's: Westy 4-1 (solid victory to go back to the top depending on Lakes tomorrow)
19's: Draw 2-2 (great effort from lower-table Thornton. Westy wasted some chances)
23's: Thornton 5-2 (3-0 at half-time and should have been more. Westy 23's all over the place at times. Thornton back into finals contention)
1st: Draw 2-2 (cracking first half with all the goals scored. Both teams had chances to win late on. Thornton had a cracking long-range shot that would have been goal of the season had it dipped in. Not the result either side wanted in the race for finals.)

[cymonster]

Heard kahibah u/23's might have broken a record for undefeated streak. Any truth Newyty?

[NewyTy]

Heard kahibah u/23's might have broken a record for undefeated streak. Any truth Newyty?

Not sure. They've gone nine straight games without loss, four of them have been draws which is the only thing keeping them out of the top four. Definitely the best unbeaten streak for any team this season. Westy's 17's went with eight straight wins but lost to Lakes so didn't get the ninth.

Inside news says Kahibah will have multiple outs next week across all grades due to the Kanga Cup and a fair few of their players being in the team for the football school down the coast. Gumprecht will be coaching said side and they'll have five or six 1st graders out. Tough ask for a game against Lakes.

Also, loads of confidence coming out of Cessnock at the moment. I'm expecting them to bring a real challenge in 1sts against Kahibah in two weeks.

[The Magician]

Not sure. They've gone nine straight games without loss, four of them have been draws which is the only thing keeping them out of the top four. Definitely the best unbeaten streak for any team this season. Westy's 17's went with eight straight wins but lost to Lakes so didn't get the ninth.

Inside news says Kahibah will have multiple outs next week across all grades due to the Kanga Cup and a fair few of their players being in the team for the football school down the coast. Gumprecht will be coaching said side and they'll have five or six 1st graders out. Tough ask for a game against Lakes.

Also, loads of confidence coming out of Cessnock at the moment. I'm expecting them to bring a real challenge in 1sts against Kahibah in two weeks.

I think Magic U22's/23's went 42 games undefeated between 2009-2010-2011, they had a 5 year grand final win streak at that time too.

[football_macigian23]

Not sure. They've gone nine straight games without loss, four of them have been draws which is the only thing keeping them out of the top four. Definitely the best unbeaten streak for any team this season. Westy's 17's went with eight straight wins but lost to Lakes so didn't get the ninth.

Inside news says Kahibah will have multiple outs next week across all grades due to the Kanga Cup and a fair few of their players being in the team for the football school down the coast. Gumprecht will be coaching said side and they'll have five or six 1st graders out. Tough ask for a game against Lakes.

Also, loads of confidence coming out of Cessnock at the moment. I'm expecting them to bring a real challenge in 1sts against Kahibah in two weeks.

Surely not.. Kanga Cup finishes on Friday if they make the final.. Why wouldn't they play?

[NewyTy]

Surely not.. Kanga Cup finishes on Friday if they make the final.. Why wouldn't they play?

Finals not next Friday but the one after. Tournament starts on Monday 4th July (Kahibah play Lakes on Sunday the 3rd.) Heard that they were going to play and then travel down but the football school wants them down there on Sunday for the opening ceremony or something. It wouldn't be a big deal if it was just one or two players but there's three first graders (including Gumprecht), at least two in 23's and three of the 19's. Will be interesting to see how they handle it; would imagine a domino effect with some 23's filling in for 1sts and so on.

Interesting stat about Magic 22's. Doubt there'll be any record better than that. Would be interested to see what the record is in New-FM alone.

[The Magician]

Finals not next Friday but the one after. Tournament starts on Monday 4th July (Kahibah play Lakes on Sunday the 3rd.) Heard that they were going to play and then travel down but the football school wants them down there on Sunday for the opening ceremony or something. It wouldn't be a big deal if it was just one or two players but there's three first graders (including Gumprecht), at least two in 23's and three of the 19's. Will be interesting to see how they handle it; would imagine a domino effect with some 23's filling in for 1sts and so on.

Interesting stat about Magic 22's. Doubt there'll be any record better than that. Would be interested to see what the record is in New-FM alone.

Just checked with committee.... was 46 games... Glenn Chapman was coach.

[cobra23]

Just checked with committee.... was 46 games... Glenn Chapman was coach.

yeah that was the Kale bradbury, andrew hoole , matt hoole, alex kanta, etc era.

[LongSufferingFan]

Not sure. They've gone nine straight games without loss, four of them have been draws which is the only thing keeping them out of the top four. Definitely the best unbeaten streak for any team this season. Westy's 17's went with eight straight wins but lost to Lakes so didn't get the ninth.

Inside news says Kahibah will have multiple outs next week across all grades due to the Kanga Cup and a fair few of their players being in the team for the football school down the coast. Gumprecht will be coaching said side and they'll have five or six 1st graders out. Tough ask for a game against Lakes.

Also, loads of confidence coming out of Cessnock at the moment. I'm expecting them to bring a real challenge in 1sts against Kahibah in two weeks.

Didn't Lakes 17s go the full first round without a loss (10 games)?

[NewyTy]

Didn't Lakes 17s go the full first round without a loss (10 games)?

Indeed they did. Lost their 11th match. Kahibah 23's can make it ten unbeaten on Sunday against Lakes but I really doubt it with the form Lakes 23's are in and the amount of players Kahibah will have out.

[NewyTy]

Interesting article on The Herald website about a Westy's players comments made on Newysports facebook page. All a bit much IMO. Guess it gives them some positive publicity after their supposed 'Referee Recognition Round'. According to the article, it's a first for NNSWF to ban a player over ref comments. Nonetheless, I'm going to sit back and see how it pans out. One of those rare times I'm not at fault for some controversial comments on the page.

Article Link: http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3996425/online-shot-lands-bluebell-in-hot-water/?cs=12

[ForeverRed]

Looks like he got what he deserved, rules are rules

[NewyTy]

Looks like he got what he deserved, rules are rules

Pretty much. Four games seems a bit much though. Guess this has to be a precedent from now on.

[Stryker]

Interesting article on The Herald website about a Westy's players comments made on Newysports facebook page. All a bit much IMO. Guess it gives them some positive publicity after their supposed 'Referee Recognition Round'.

Article Link: http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3996425/online-shot-lands-bluebell-in-hot-water/?cs=12

So you think the assoc is over-reacting to disparaging comments made by a player towards a referee? The player didn't mince his words. The club didn't deny the comments were made by their player either.

What were your thoughts on the RRR? Reading between the lines it sounds like you don't approve that it's required? Or do you think the idea fell flat? I personally didn't hear any comments or announcements made by clubs on game day

[Stryker]

Pretty much. Four games seems a bit much though. Guess this has to be a precedent from now on.

A bit much??? When the assoc keep losing referees at an alarming rate due to loose lips, the assoc need to make a statement, don't you think? Ppl keep complaining about quality of refs being poor. Quality can't improve if there are none to keep pushing those that are there. Maybe young Tye needs to be put through the referee exam and be made to do a few ZL3 lines to see what's it like. Zone league are always struggling for refs

[tucker's daughter]

Pretty much. Four games seems a bit much though. Guess this has to be a precedent from now on.
Agree with Ty here. Another case of nnsw making up punishments to suit themselves. Agreed the guy deserves punishment for what he posted. But the regulations state that for such an offence the suspension is for 2 weeks for a players/officials first offence. So how to you come up with 4 weeks?

[NewyTy]

I never said the punishment wasn't required but 4 weeks is an over-reaction. I know the refs have a shortage and I in fact did ref for a little bit a few years back, albeit at a junior level. Did a few Metro League games as it was then known and the parents and coaches hurled a fair bit of abuse.

As for the Ref Recognition Round, I myself don't disagree with the whole idea. But I spoke to one of the refs on Sunday about it and he didn't notice any change and neither did I. I ran the PA system at Westy and Belswans on the weekend so maybe should have mentioned it but the main idea was for players, coaches and onlookers to quieten down. It was a normal day at the office in both games. I made a point in my latest write-up about some parents in Belswans 17's that were chirpy to opposition players and especially the ref and of course Westy's fans are backwards in going forward when it comes to blasting the refs. Overall I thought a couple of posters at the ground and a Facebook post by one or two clubs could have been better.

[LongSufferingFan]

I fully agree with the idea of RRR. Anything to help encourage the refs to stay in the game.

However NNSW Football need to practice what they preach.
I was talking to a young referee who did a shift at David Eland Park (SPRFF) on Saturday and received no recognition at all.

[sancho_theswan]

Looking at the latest points table. Things are starting to hot up for the minor premiership. Can anyone other than Belswans beat Lakes???? Can Kahibah field a full strength team or use this as an excuse??? It's a little more interesting at the top than in previous years. The run in should be good to watch.

[NewyTy]

Looking at the latest points table. Things are starting to hot up for the minor premiership. Can anyone other than Belswans beat Lakes???? Can Kahibah field a full strength team or use this as an excuse??? It's a little more interesting at the top than in previous years. The run in should be good to watch.

Kahibah have an extra game. Will be very interesting if they down Lakes on the weekend but they've got upwards of six starters out for various reasons. Not trying to make excuses for them but it makes it tough. Belswans IMO deserve to finish above Lakes after beating them twice. Even if Lakes lift the minor premiership, Belswans still have the wood over them and a potential Grand Final clash would be quiet something.

On a personal level, I would have liked to have seen a bit more competition from the chasing pack to make the top four. After Wallsend lost their points I've been pulling for the likes of Westy and Thornton to grab a result here and there and make it interesting. The settled nature of the 1st grade top four is made a bit better by the wide open U23's competition where it seems no team can take the next step forward apart from Lakes obviously.

[Stryker]

Kahibah have an extra game. Will be very interesting if they down Lakes on the weekend but they've got upwards of six starters out for various reasons. Not trying to make excuses for them but it makes it tough. Belswans IMO deserve to finish above Lakes after beating them twice. Even if Lakes lift the minor premiership, Belswans still have the wood over them and a potential Grand Final clash would be quiet something.

On a personal level, I would have liked to have seen a bit more competition from the chasing pack to make the top four. After Wallsend lost their points I've been pulling for the likes of Westy and Thornton to grab a result here and there and make it interesting. The settled nature of the 1st grade top four is made a bit better by the wide open U23's competition where it seems no team can take the next step forward apart from Lakes obviously.

Thankfully there is reward for consistency across the season against all teams. By your thinking the jets should have deserved to finish above Brisbane and victory in the past few aleague seasons when they had the wood over them. Obviously Belswans turn up for the big games and or have the structure and game plan to beat lakes.

[LongSufferingFan]

I don't think the NewFM table is as cut and dried and people are saying.
There isn't much between the top six teams or so and any could beat any of them on their day.

There may well be a twist to the season as player depth is tested due to suspensions and injury in the remaining quarter of the season.
Due to the excessive number of cards handed out each week to all teams there will be players sitting on 4+ yellow cards. Serious suspensions are in play for excessive yellows.
My understanding is that:
5 yellows = 1 week suspension,
6 yellows = 2 weeks
7 yellows = 3 weeks etc.

Given that Wallsend and Westy have obviously had players on 5+ cards for weeks now given their stripping of points I suspect all clubs will have players in serious suspension trouble leading up to the backend of the season.

Means some interesting decisions will need to be made by clubs in semi final contention.
For example, lets say team A is going to make the finals, their key player B has 5 yellow cards for the season and there is still 2 rounds to go.
Do you rest him for the last two rounds to ensure he is available for the semi finals or do you play him in the last two rounds and run the risk of a 6th yellow card which would rule him out of one or both semi finals?

I still rate Thornton a chance of beating Wallsend to 4th place - they do need to beat them this weekend though.

[Zico]

I don't think the NewFM table is as cut and dried and people are saying.
There isn't much between the top six teams or so and any could beat any of them on their day.

There may well be a twist to the season as player depth is tested due to suspensions and injury in the remaining quarter of the season.
Due to the excessive number of cards handed out each week to all teams there will be players sitting on 4+ yellow cards. Serious suspensions are in play for excessive yellows.
My understanding is that:
5 yellows = 1 week suspension,
6 yellows = 2 weeks
7 yellows = 3 weeks etc.

Given that Wallsend and Westy have obviously had players on 5+ cards for weeks now given their stripping of points I suspect all clubs will have players in serious suspension trouble leading up to the backend of the season.

Means some interesting decisions will need to be made by clubs in semi final contention.
For example, lets say team A is going to make the finals, their key player B has 5 yellow cards for the season and there is still 2 rounds to go.
Do you rest him for the last two rounds to ensure he is available for the semi finals or do you play him in the last two rounds and run the risk of a 6th yellow card which would rule him out of one or both semi finals?

I still rate Thornton a chance of beating Wallsend to 4th place - they do need to beat them this weekend though.
It's a little off point but the example you have put forward is a great example of how poor refereeing decisions can effect the outcome of a clubs season. Every club now has to tolerate the issue of referees who are both inexperienced and lack true football knowledge and therefore are making rash decisions and booking players for challenges that should in some case not even be a free kick.

A good strong center half will get 5 yellow cards or more in a season, why should he cop suspensions? Shouldn't we have the best players playing?

This yellow card suspension rule is a silly rule at best and seriously needs to be looked at in the future.

[Stryker]

It's a little off point but the example you have put forward is a great example of how poor refereeing decisions can effect the outcome of a clubs season. Every club now has to tolerate the issue of referees who are both inexperienced and lack true football knowledge and therefore are making rash decisions and booking players for challenges that should in some case not even be a free kick.

A good strong center half will get 5 yellow cards or more in a season, why should he cop suspensions? Shouldn't we have the best players playing?

This yellow card suspension rule is a silly rule at best and seriously needs to be looked at in the future.

An interesting point of view zico.

Whether a referee is experienced or not, players who accumulate yellow cards obviously don't learn from their 'rash decisions' during numerous matches. It is very easy to blame refs for dealing out the cards and using them as scapegoats. Players know what they are doing when they go in for a challenge.

There are even times when a player gets away without a card when they really deserved one.

everyone complains of refs throwing around cards at the start of the season but never say anything about how a certain player tackles, which if they do accumulate cards, all of a sudden they are not so cynical or dirty when challenging for the ball when a suspension looms.

[The Postman]

Easy way to avoid getting 5 Yellow Cards

If you are sitting on 4 Yellows and receive your 5th in a game, make sure you get a Second Yellow to get sent off.

Because the Red Card cancels out the Yellow Cards from that game, so you will perpetually on 4 Yellows.

[EH9]

Easy way to avoid getting 5 Yellow Cards

If you are sitting on 4 Yellows and receive your 5th in a game, make sure you get a Second Yellow to get sent off.

Because the Red Card cancels out the Yellow Cards from that game, so you will perpetually on 4 Yellows.

I recall hearing somewhere that if you get a 2nd red in a season it is a 2 match ban, so if that is true your scenario would only be of benefit for the 6th yellow.

[Bremsstrahlung]

It's a little off point but the example you have put forward is a great example of how poor refereeing decisions can effect the outcome of a clubs season. Every club now has to tolerate the issue of referees who are both inexperienced and lack true football knowledge and therefore are making rash decisions and booking players for challenges that should in some case not even be a free kick.

A good strong center half will get 5 yellow cards or more in a season, why should he cop suspensions? Shouldn't we have the best players playing?

This yellow card suspension rule is a silly rule at best and seriously needs to be looked at in the future.

Or the players could take some responsibility for their own actions. They could simply not foul players and follow the laws of the game, the same ones the referees use to determine yellow cards.

[Zico]

Or the players could take some responsibility for their own actions. They could simply not foul players and follow the laws of the game, the same ones the referees use to determine yellow cards.
Take your do-gooder hat of for a minute and understand what was posted!
Have you been to many matches in the past few seasons? Some of the cards handed out are no fault of the player as they were within the rules but the referee had no idea or very little football knowledge and as a result they have a rush of blood and pull the card.
We now have very young people coming through who are still not mature enough, have little football knowledge (great at reading the rule book) and have even less man management skills. This is no fault of theirs as they are being pushed in the deep end before their time and therefore these decisions are being made and the players are paying the price.
I am totally against players receiving suspensions for yellow cards and even more so in the current climate of fast tracking referees.

[mervan]

Stags too good for belswans today

[ForeverRed]

Go the gunners

[stopper2]

Go the gunners
Good game today with Cooks Hill but winning comfortably in the end 3-1.
Southy making a late run with 7 points out of a possible 9 in their last 3 games but at least 4 games over the season where they have either drawn or lost in the last few minutes have cost them any chance of making the semis.
Former Jets Youth player Nic Pepper has been a good addition in recent weeks.

[sancho_theswan]

Stags too good for belswans today

True that. Turn up with a few off the pace and a couple with their heads not in the game and you get caught / found out. Although, the game should have over at half time.

[mervan]

True that. Turn up with a few off the pace and a couple with their heads not in the game and you get caught / found out. Although, the game should have over at half time.

Agree, belswans got frustrated and whilst it is at 1nil the other mob is always in it. This was very similar to the first round with belswans dominating possession but unable to create enough.

[mervan]

Agree, belswans got frustrated and whilst it is at 1nil the other mob is always in it. This was very similar to the first round with belswans dominating possession but unable to create enough.

Newysports predicted a 7 nil to belswans, not saying his prediction wasn't without some foundation, it is maybe like a 150-1 horse winning the race or is it, it was only a two horse race, lesson to be learned here.

[BigSam]

Any news floating around of coaching changes, any late player movements?


Also in reference to the stags, have heard a few promising things are happening, as Jose once said- "The title race is between two horses (Kahibah and lakes) and a little horse (belswans ) that needs milk and needs to learn how to jump," he said. "Maybe next season we can race." stags will finish top 4 next year

[GO AWAY]

Any news floating around of coaching changes, any late player movements?


Also in reference to the stags, have heard a few promising things are happening, as Jose once said- "The title race is between two horses (Kahibah and lakes) and a little horse (belswans ) that needs milk and needs to learn how to jump," he said. "Maybe next season we can race." stags will finish top 4 next year

If they are even in Newfm, ;), also could be a high profile coach and a very good technical director on their way there in 2017

[BigSam]

Have heard a few names go around the traps GO AWAY, maybe your son will return to the local club from memory he is a junior stag?


Who is the TD, if from what I heard is correct, seems the club is going forward in leaps and bounds with a former jets player coming back from injury for his first season

[NewyTy]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4011661/first-division-clubs-all-in-for-npl-push/?cs=12

There's the latest on applications for next season. All eleven New-FM clubs and New Lambton have applied. Doubts about some clubs and tbh, I've got a copy of the requirements and can say that NNSW simply have to allow time for clubs to adapt.

[cymonster]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4011661/first-division-clubs-all-in-for-npl-push/?cs=12

There's the latest on applications for next season. All eleven New-FM clubs and New Lambton have applied. Doubts about some clubs and tbh, I've got a copy of the requirements and can say that NNSW simply have to allow time for clubs to adapt.
How many current newfm teams don't meet the requirement?

[GO AWAY]

How many current newfm teams don't meet the requirement?

Think depends on NNSW mood, Awaba, Southy and Lakes have all been there before, considering Awaba made the cut last time this sort of thing went on ( criteria ) its hard to see why NNSW would reject them this time when I don't think much has changed in the criteria from 2008 ?.
Stags dark horses to go up in my books, valo and Jets ( Sydney ) out Toronto Awaba, Southy, Lakes and Wallsend in. 12 team comp.

[LongSufferingFan]

How many current newfm teams don't meet the requirement?

Based on the Facility criteria Ty posted my ranking of NewFM grounds based on criteria (in order) would be:

MEET OR PREDOMINANTLY MEET CRITERIA:
1. Lakes
2. Toronto
3. Cessnock

PARTIALLY MEET CRITERIA:
4. Wallsend
5. Cooks Hill
6. West Wallsend
7. South Cardiff
8. Singleton
9. Belswans

DONT MEET CRITERIA:
10. Thornton
11. Kahibah
12. New Lambton (for completeness)

So assuming other elements of application are met we could see 3 NewFM teams with a NPL license (Lakes, Toronto and Cessnock) or up to 9 NewFM teams if they allow flexibility with the grounds criteria.
Add in the current 10 NPL clubs and you get 13 teams minimum or 19 teams maximum.
Conceivable that Valentine could lose their license based on grounds meaning that we could have one NPL comp with 12 teams and no promotion/relegation.
Alternatively we could have up to 19 NPL teams with two comps with promotion and relegation.

Interesting to see how NNSWF make the decision.

[GO AWAY]

Have heard a few names go around the traps GO AWAY, maybe your son will return to the local club from memory he is a junior stag?


Who is the TD, if from what I heard is correct, seems the club is going forward in leaps and bounds with a former jets player coming back from injury for his first season

We will see mate, very settled at azzurri and well respected at Azzurri, so cant see him leaving short term, especially wont go back to Newfm at 18. I know lots of Toronto boys around the 18-22 bracket that would, IF, they got in to NPL but will have to wait and see. at the moment, loving his time at Lisle Carr

[BigSam]

We will see mate, very settled at azzurri and well respected at Azzurri, so cant see him leaving short term, especially wont go back to Newfm at 18. I know lots of Toronto boys around the 18-22 bracket that would, IF, they got in to NPL but will have to wait and see. at the moment, loving his time at Lisle Carr


local players will always return especially if there is the right people are in place


Who is the TD? who would you like to coach out there, any names floating around, there's a few Toronto locals coaching at others clubs (two at a current NEW FM club) and one not coaching at present

[winner]

Piggott to Toronto. If they are promoted

[The Postman]

Would think that Piggots protege would be more in line with the current set up at Toronto.

[De-Champ]

Based on the Facility criteria Ty posted my ranking of NewFM grounds based on criteria (in order) would be:

MEET OR PREDOMINANTLY MEET CRITERIA:
1. Lakes
2. Toronto
3. Cessnock

PARTIALLY MEET CRITERIA:
4. Wallsend
5. Cooks Hill
6. West Wallsend
7. South Cardiff
8. Singleton
9. Belswans

DONT MEET CRITERIA:
10. Thornton
11. Kahibah
12. New Lambton (for completeness)

So assuming other elements of application are met we could see 3 NewFM teams with a NPL license (Lakes, Toronto and Cessnock) or up to 9 NewFM teams if they allow flexibility with the grounds criteria.
Add in the current 10 NPL clubs and you get 13 teams minimum or 19 teams maximum.
Conceivable that Valentine could lose their license based on grounds meaning that we could have one NPL comp with 12 teams and no promotion/relegation.
Alternatively we could have up to 19 NPL teams with two comps with promotion and relegation.

Interesting to see how NNSWF make the decision.

How do you know if the three teams (no 10, 11 and 12) do not meet the criteria. Have you seen their applications?
If you are referring simply to grounds (that they currently play at) all they have to do is eg Kahibah having an agreement with CCB/council and play out of Highfields. That solves the ground issue.
If the truth were known most clubs would not meet 100% of the criteria excluding the grounds they play at.

[BigSam]

Would think that Piggots protege would be more in line with the current set up at Toronto.


Get Piggot and the protégé would probably either play or coach under him as well, use to score goals for fun when he played


some young promising talents in the current line up who just need a decent coach to steer the ship

How the current coach has kept the role is very surprising

[NewyTy]

Get Piggot and the protégé would probably either play or coach under him as well, use to score goals for fun when he played


some young promising talents in the current line up who just need a decent coach to steer the ship

How the current coach has kept the role is very surprising

The only reason the current coach has stayed is because they didn't have options to replace him. At least that's what I'm thinking. I remember hearing Stags apparently talking to Steve Thomson (Cessnock coach) early in the piece and of course there's always the possibility of trying to get an opposition coach or if possible even someone like Rufo could work as coach/TD. Stags IMO are the most exciting club ahead of next season. Really interested to see how it's going to turn out.

As for the criteria posts above. Thornton and Kahibah have a distinct lack of undercover seating. Kahibah's temp fence might not be allowed and New Lambton is obviously nowhere near what's needed as a ground (either of their grounds). The middle clubs (partially meet criteria) are all lacking a player race (so too Toronto), Southy do have one but field dimensions there are questionable. Says on the requirements that perimeter fence needs to be MINIMUM 3m from pitch. I can think of a some NPL grounds where that's not the case so who knows.

If I was going to have a stab at predicting NPL 1 I'd say Valo to drop out obviously due to ground and Lakes to go up. No other movement. Jets going to Sydney would be good but I doubt it'll happen. As for NPL 2, I'm hoping to see every club get a chance but it's doubtful. At the very least, there has to be two comps. It'd be shambles to see clubs nowhere near NPL1 quality get toweled up by Magic and Edgy across all grades. Truth has to be said.

[De-Champ]

The only reason the current coach has stayed is because they didn't have options to replace him. At least that's what I'm thinking. I remember hearing Stags apparently talking to Steve Thomson (Cessnock coach) early in the piece and of course there's always the possibility of trying to get an opposition coach or if possible even someone like Rufo could work as coach/TD. Stags IMO are the most exciting club ahead of next season. Really interested to see how it's going to turn out.

As for the criteria posts above. Thornton and Kahibah have a distinct lack of undercover seating. Kahibah's temp fence might not be allowed and New Lambton is obviously nowhere near what's needed as a ground (either of their grounds). The middle clubs (partially meet criteria) are all lacking a player race (so too Toronto), Southy do have one but field dimensions there are questionable. Says on the requirements that perimeter fence needs to be MINIMUM 3m from pitch. I can think of a some NPL grounds where that's not the case so who knows.

If I was going to have a stab at predicting NPL 1 I'd say Valo to drop out obviously due to ground and Lakes to go up. No other movement. Jets going to Sydney would be good but I doubt it'll happen. As for NPL 2, I'm hoping to see every club get a chance but it's doubtful. At the very least, there has to be two comps. It'd be shambles to see clubs nowhere near NPL1 quality get toweled up by Magic and Edgy across all grades. Truth has to be said.

I am not disputing what you say. My point was the example of Kahibah, their ground may not meet the criteria but all they have to do is play at CCB'S ground. New Lambton just have to move to Lambton's ground etc A more pressing issue is whether the other clubs would want to share their ground with another club.

[NewyTy]

I am not disputing what you say. My point was the example of Kahibah, their ground may not meet the criteria but all they have to do is play at CCB'S ground. New Lambton just have to move to Lambton's ground etc A more pressing issue is whether the other clubs would want to share their ground with another club.

I get that, but that's the thing. I doubt CCB will have Kahibah at their ground. There's a lot behind the scenes to make that sort of change happen. I'm hoping Kahibah can find their way into the comp as they've got a solid set of teams and a lot of juniors and it'd be a shame to see that wasted or broken up due to missing out. I'm sure they and all the clubs will have Plan B's in case it doesn't work out.

Same with New Lambton. Jaffas would obviously want some sort of compensation. With NPL + Youth grades it could work as an alternating week by week thing (Lambton at home one week, New Lambton the next). We'll have to see how it all pans out.

[Dontknowmuch]

What are Kahibah, New Lambton and Thornton missing? A fence can be done in the off season (prob not reqd for Thornton). A players race can be done in a week, covered seating can be done in the off season. What cant be done in an off season is the junior requirement which many of the clubs dont have. If you were to put clubs into the NPL Kahibah, New Lambton, Valentine and Cooks Hill (maybe Wallsend nut I believe they have split from the juniors recently) need to be there they are big junior clubs and these clubs are sustainable just by player numbers alone. NPL seems now to be based on the richest clubs succeeding which is not sustainable or at best are very volatile year to year. Clubs that support and participate in Grassroots football should be the 1st clubs considered. They have a constant income stream a huge number to call for volunteers and hopefully a clear pathway for their juniors, whether it be in 'elite' football or community football.

[BigSam]

The only reason the current coach has stayed is because they didn't have options to replace him. At least that's what I'm thinking. I remember hearing Stags apparently talking to Steve Thomson (Cessnock coach) early in the piece and of course there's always the possibility of trying to get an opposition coach or if possible even someone like Rufo could work as coach/TD. Stags IMO are the most exciting club ahead of next season. Really interested to see how it's going to turn out.

As for the criteria posts above. Thornton and Kahibah have a distinct lack of undercover seating. Kahibah's temp fence might not be allowed and New Lambton is obviously nowhere near what's needed as a ground (either of their grounds). The middle clubs (partially meet criteria) are all lacking a player race (so too Toronto), Southy do have one but field dimensions there are questionable. Says on the requirements that perimeter fence needs to be MINIMUM 3m from pitch. I can think of a some NPL grounds where that's not the case so who knows.

If I was going to have a stab at predicting NPL 1 I'd say Valo to drop out obviously due to ground and Lakes to go up. No other movement. Jets going to Sydney would be good but I doubt it'll happen. As for NPL 2, I'm hoping to see every club get a chance but it's doubtful. At the very least, there has to be two comps. It'd be shambles to see clubs nowhere near NPL1 quality get toweled up by Magic and Edgy across all grades. Truth has to be said.



The guy wasn't turning up to training to all reports, look at the results of the 22s n 19s, and they are pushing for promotion?


Surely plenty of work to be done.


How are Cooks Hill going along Ty? reckon they are a chance to go up, have a good junior base etc?

Current coach and his assistant staying around? see both of them regularly watching other games, putting in the hard yards- Great to see Cooks Hill give two young guys a chance

[NewyTy]

The guy wasn't turning up to training to all reports, look at the results of the 22s n 19s, and they are pushing for promotion?


Surely plenty of work to be done.


How are Cooks Hill going along Ty? reckon they are a chance to go up, have a good junior base etc?

Current coach and his assistant staying around? see both of them regularly watching other games, putting in the hard yards- Great to see Cooks Hill give two young guys a chance

Cookers won't go up. Not enough in place for it to happen at the ground, not to mention we'd need a lot more volunteers to make it all run smoothly. It'll eventually happen but it's definitely not happening next year. Not sure if the coaching staff are staying on; haven't really spoken too much about next year. Whatever happens I think it'll be a strong year filled mostly by youth in 1st grade. That's what it seems to be building towards anyway.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Get Piggot and the protégé would probably either play or coach under him as well, use to score goals for fun when he played


some young promising talents in the current line up who just need a decent coach to steer the ship

How the current coach has kept the role is very surprising

Who is the protege?

[BigSam]

Cookers won't go up. Not enough in place for it to happen at the ground, not to mention we'd need a lot more volunteers to make it all run smoothly. It'll eventually happen but it's definitely not happening next year. Not sure if the coaching staff are staying on; haven't really spoken too much about next year. Whatever happens I think it'll be a strong year filled mostly by youth in 1st grade. That's what it seems to be building towards anyway.

people around the club seem happy that the kids are getting a go? you've been quiet on them lately thats all


Still predicting Kahibah to win the comp, classy players in there squad... few chiefs and the rest are Indians so to say making them very hard to beat


No formal commitments with any squads

[BigSam]

Who is the protege?

Best to check with the postman on who is referring to or GO AWAY, they are the locals out that way

[NewyTy]

people around the club seem happy that the kids are getting a go? you've been quiet on them lately thats all


Still predicting Kahibah to win the comp, classy players in there squad... few chiefs and the rest are Indians so to say making them very hard to beat


No formal commitments with any squads

Club support the coaching staff whichever way they go. That's the vibe I get. The committee isn't hard-pressed on results and it's a fairly decent environment for coaches I think...perhaps a bit too relaxed if anything.

Lakes will win the premiership but the finals will be exciting. Wallsend will be out in Semi's. They haven't done enough to show they might win it again. Lakes obviously favourites but I tell you, Belswans could be the ones to beat. It's going to be a better finals series then last year I believe.

[ForeverRed]

Based on the Facility criteria Ty posted my ranking of NewFM grounds based on criteria (in order) would be:

MEET OR PREDOMINANTLY MEET CRITERIA:
1. Lakes
2. Toronto
3. Cessnock

PARTIALLY MEET CRITERIA:
4. Wallsend
5. Cooks Hill
6. West Wallsend
7. South Cardiff
8. Singleton
9. Belswans

DONT MEET CRITERIA:
10. Thornton
11. Kahibah
12. New Lambton (for completeness)

So assuming other elements of application are met we could see 3 NewFM teams with a NPL license (Lakes, Toronto and Cessnock) or up to 9 NewFM teams if they allow flexibility with the grounds criteria.
Add in the current 10 NPL clubs and you get 13 teams minimum or 19 teams maximum.
Conceivable that Valentine could lose their license based on grounds meaning that we could have one NPL comp with 12 teams and no promotion/relegation.
Alternatively we could have up to 19 NPL teams with two comps with promotion and relegation.

Interesting to see how NNSWF make the decision.

You failed to mention the current NPL clubs who don't meet the criteria

[LongSufferingFan]

You failed to mention the current NPL clubs who don't meet the criteria

I'm note up to speed with all their grounds (NPL entry is too expensive) so hard to say.

Perhaps the Jets should be relegated as they clearly can't meet the facility requirement!

[LongSufferingFan]

How do you know if the three teams (no 10, 11 and 12) do not meet the criteria. Have you seen their applications?
If you are referring simply to grounds (that they currently play at) all they have to do is eg Kahibah having an agreement with CCB/council and play out of Highfields. That solves the ground issue.
If the truth were known most clubs would not meet 100% of the criteria excluding the grounds they play at.

My list was based purely on how the current grounds meets (or could meet with minor offseason upgrades) facility criteria.

For the record I agree with you that the only way Northern is going to get the two tiers of NPL it is after is for clubs to share grounds. There is simply not enough quality facilities to host 16 NPL clubs.
Here's a suggestion:
NNSW Football to offer grants of say $100,000 towards a ground upgrade to any NPL club prepared to share its ground with another prospective NPL club.
We could see:
Kahibah and CCB playing out of Lisle Carr
Cooks Hill and Adamstown out of Adamstown oval
Lambton and New Lambton playing out of Arthur Edden
Merewether and Hamilton playing out of Darling St
Jets Youth and Broadmeadow playing out of Magic Park
Beresfield and Maitland playing out of Cooks Square
Valentine and Belswans playing out of Blacksmiths
etc.

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

My list was based purely on how the current grounds meets (or could meet with minor offseason upgrades) facility criteria.

For the record I agree with you that the only way Northern is going to get the two tiers of NPL it is after is for clubs to share grounds. There is simply not enough quality facilities to host 16 NPL clubs.
Here's a suggestion:
NNSW Football to offer grants of say $100,000 towards a ground upgrade to any NPL club prepared to share its ground with another prospective NPL club.
We could see:
Kahibah and CCB playing out of Lisle Carr
Cooks Hill and Adamstown out of Adamstown oval
Lambton and New Lambton playing out of Arthur Edden
Merewether and Hamilton playing out of Darling St
Jets Youth and Broadmeadow playing out of Magic Park
Beresfield and Maitland playing out of Cooks Square
Valentine and Belswans playing out of Blacksmiths
etc.

Don't the FFA guidelines state that NPL clubs must have exclusive use of their ground? (hence New Lambton being moved on from Adamstown Oval a few years back).

[LongSufferingFan]

Don't the FFA guidelines state that NPL clubs must have exclusive use of their ground? (hence New Lambton being moved on from Adamstown Oval a few years back).

I can't see anywhere in the current facility criteria where it says this.
Section 10 just says the facility must be available from the start of the season to the end of the season.
Interestingly this would technically rule out grounds such as Darling St, Cahill Oval, Howe Park, Thornton Park, Ulinga, Kahibah Oval etc that have cricket playing in summer on them where the field is not available before the start of the season (first weekend in March if it is a 12 team comp).

[The Magician]

Don't the FFA guidelines state that NPL clubs must have exclusive use of their ground? (hence New Lambton being moved on from Adamstown Oval a few years back).

No its a NCC clause for teams participating in Premier Compeitions, FFA and NNSWF have nothing to do with ground allocations. When promoted, Adamstown under NCC had the right to kick New Lambton off, they they did quick smart... Obviously couldn't negotiate an outcome like Newcastle Football and Jaffas did for coexistence and Edden.

[BP Super Dynamos]

I'm assuming Piggo's protégé is Blake Glennie

[dan]

What are Kahibah, New Lambton and Thornton missing? A fence can be done in the off season (prob not reqd for Thornton). A players race can be done in a week, covered seating can be done in the off season. What cant be done in an off season is the junior requirement which many of the clubs dont have. If you were to put clubs into the NPL Kahibah, New Lambton, Valentine and Cooks Hill (maybe Wallsend nut I believe they have split from the juniors recently) need to be there they are big junior clubs and these clubs are sustainable just by player numbers alone. NPL seems now to be based on the richest clubs succeeding which is not sustainable or at best are very volatile year to year. Clubs that support and participate in Grassroots football should be the 1st clubs considered. They have a constant income stream a huge number to call for volunteers and hopefully a clear pathway for their juniors, whether it be in 'elite' football or community football.

The relationship between Wallsend NewFM and the Juniors,Zone League 2 and Women's is healthier than ever dontknowmuch, just wanted to clear that up mate.

[BigSam]

I'm assuming Piggo's protégé is Blake Glennie

yeah that's his name, watched cooks hill twice this year, seem to play decent football under him with a fair amount of kids getting a chance to play?

From memory was a decent player when he use to play up at Azzuri as a kid and then with a couple of New FM teams

[GO AWAY]

yeah that's his name, watched cooks hill twice this year, seem to play decent football under him with a fair amount of kids getting a chance to play?

From memory was a decent player when he use to play up at Azzuri as a kid and then with a couple of New FM teams


...........and loves the stags, I can see them being a force next year, especially if they get the coach they want.

[Dontknowmuch]

The relationship between Wallsend NewFM and the Juniors,Zone League 2 and Women's is healthier than ever dontknowmuch, just wanted to clear that up mate.

Good to hear. The club has come along way in a short period, I will be a happy when they make it to the top competition once again. Huge proud history.

[BigSam]

...........and loves the stags, I can see them being a force next year, especially if they get the coach they want.



Seems the stags have a very good bond with former coaches and players

[seldom]

yeah that's his name, watched cooks hill twice this year, seem to play decent football under him with a fair amount of kids getting a chance to play?

From memory was a decent player when he use to play up at Azzuri as a kid and then with a couple of New FM teams

Aren't Cooks Hill running 9th ? 1 win ahead of Toronto

[BigSam]

Aren't Cooks Hill running 9th ? 1 win ahead of Toronto

yeah, just checked the table myself, very surprised by that, seemed to be playing decent football when ive watched them twice....

clear top 4 then the rest, the table shows this

[NewyTy]

As someone who's seen all but two Cooks Hill games, they've let inconsistency cost them and lack a real out and out striker. The 6-1 loss to Kahibah saw multiple players dropped to reserves and one or two leave the club afterwards and they've come out better with the younger players now starting week in, week out. A true #9 would do wonders.

Just saw NSW Government have banned greyhound racing effective July 2017. Not the place to discuss the decision but what's it going to mean for The Gardens/Wallsend F.C. Do the Red Devils take ownership and costs of running the facility. IMO, if this means the end for the dog track, knock it down and make a true football ground. I know Wallsend won't be able to pay for that sort of development but there's so much you could do with that ground.

[BigSam]

As someone who's seen all but two Cooks Hill games, they've let inconsistency cost them and lack a real out and out striker. The 6-1 loss to Kahibah saw multiple players dropped to reserves and one or two leave the club afterwards and they've come out better with the younger players now starting week in, week out. A true #9 would do wonders.

Just saw NSW Government have banned greyhound racing effective July 2017. Not the place to discuss the decision but what's it going to mean for The Gardens/Wallsend F.C. Do the Red Devils take ownership and costs of running the facility. IMO, if this means the end for the dog track, knock it down and make a true football ground. I know Wallsend won't be able to pay for that sort of development but there's so much you could do with that ground.



would have to agree, was a young blonde hair kid playing in the number 10 role when I watched them vs belswans! Plays well


Predictions to win this weekend Ty?

[NewyTy]

would have to agree, was a young blonde hair kid playing in the number 10 role when I watched them vs belswans! Plays well


Predictions to win this weekend Ty?

Yep, he's been consistent ever since coming into the side during the Kahibah loss. Got him from Adamstown I believe and real stand-out this season.

I started my predictions yesterday and still going. Gets more tedious every week and always leave 1st Grade till last. That being said, I'd have Cooks Hill to beat Toronto, Belswans to down Westy, Southy and Thornton to draw I think, Cessnock to push Kahibah but go down and Lakes to beat Wallsend.

[monz6]

My list was based purely on how the current grounds meets (or could meet with minor offseason upgrades) facility criteria.

For the record I agree with you that the only way Northern is going to get the two tiers of NPL it is after is for clubs to share grounds. There is simply not enough quality facilities to host 16 NPL clubs.
Here's a suggestion:
NNSW Football to offer grants of say $100,000 towards a ground upgrade to any NPL club prepared to share its ground with another prospective NPL club.
We could see:
Kahibah and CCB playing out of Lisle Carr
Cooks Hill and Adamstown out of Adamstown oval
Lambton and New Lambton playing out of Arthur Edden
Merewether and Hamilton playing out of Darling St
Jets Youth and Broadmeadow playing out of Magic Park
Beresfield and Maitland playing out of Cooks Square
Valentine and Belswans playing out of Blacksmiths
etc.

Jets playing at magic park?? What a joke!!! I would be outraged! The jets youth represent the whole of Newcastle not just one club! And I think all profits should be split between every club in the npl and newfm leagues if this happens!

[LongSufferingFan]

Jets playing at magic park?? What a joke!!! I would be outraged! The jets youth represent the whole of Newcastle not just one club! And I think all profits should be split between every club in the npl and newfm leagues if this happens!

I was just putting out possible scenarios.
Jets seem to play all their NYL and W League games out of magic park now so would make sense to make that a bit of a base for them to play NPL from.
You could also mount an argument for the Jets to share Macquarie Field with Lakes as it is next door to NNSWF and the training facilities used by the merging jets and wleague.

As for the grant money, my point would be that it would go to the ground not the club - hence all clubs would benefit from improved facilities not line the pockets of clubs so they could pay more money for players.

[monz6]

I was just putting out possible scenarios.
Jets seem to play all their NYL and W League games out of magic park now so would make sense to make that a bit of a base for them to play NPL from.
You could also mount an argument for the Jets to share Macquarie Field with Lakes as it is next door to NNSWF and the training facilities used by the merging jets and wleague.

As for the grant money, my point would be that it would go to the ground not the club - hence all clubs would benefit from improved facilities not line the pockets of clubs so they could pay more money for players.

I wasnt being serious hahaha

[namwob99]

Greyhound racing to be banned in NSW. Is this good or bad news for Wallsend FC?

[LongSufferingFan]

Greyhound racing to be banned in NSW. Is this good or bad news for Wallsend FC?

Really good question.
Depends on what happens to the facility.

Best outcome would be Newcastle Council buy it out (unlikely) and redesign it as a boutique stadium (like #2 Sportsground) - big win for Wallsend.
Worst outcome is it sits on the books of GrNSW and rots away while the accountants wind up the organisation (could take years).

[front2]

I'm assuming Piggo's protégé is Blake Glennie
I think assuming, that Blake would prefer to be nobodies bitch.

See how things pan out with Cooks Hill. Some of those young emerging players have been coached one on one by Warren Spink.

[Swanky]

Really good question.
Depends on what happens to the facility.

Best outcome would be Newcastle Council buy it out (unlikely) and redesign it as a boutique stadium (like #2 Sportsground) - big win for Wallsend.
Worst outcome is it sits on the books of GrNSW and rots away while the accountants wind up the organisation (could take years).

The ground is owned by Greyhound Association will get sold off if the greyhounds do get banned as its still in the red

[BigSam]

I think assuming, that Blake would prefer to be nobodies bitch.

See how things pan out with Cooks Hill. Some of those young emerging players have been coached one on one by Warren Spink.


Blake is going well? Seems to do good by the kids and give the kids a chance

[GO AWAY]

I think assuming, that Blake would prefer to be nobodies bitch.

See how things pan out with Cooks Hill. Some of those young emerging players have been coached one on one by Warren Spink.

Unless chiefy was working with Piggo ;)

[Dontknowmuch]

The ground is owned by Greyhound Association will get sold off if the greyhounds do get banned as its still in the red

It's not in the red. But will get sold off, technically the government own it and a greyhound club lease it. The land is almost useless due to being built on a swamp and next to main storm water. Will remain a sporting complex of some type. Don't think the dogs will be going anywhere for awhile.

[mervan]

Stags 3 cookers 1,

[seldom]

Stags 3 cookers 1,

LOL. pretty sure Stags won't be recruiting coaches from Cooks Hill. Stags coach seems to have done alright with the cattle he has.

[Retro Jet]

Different cattle to the herd that toweled them up 2-7 1st round.

[The Postman]

Like wise for the Stags, 6 different players in their starting 11 yesterday.

It's funny what young hungry players can do when they are playing for nothing other than passion for their home town team. Too many years have gone by at Awaba with too many players coming through at the end of their careers chasing big dollars and not getting results.

Now for one reason or another, either the kids out performing older players or forced changes because of injuries/suspensions, the perfomances are getting better. Not saying we will win out the rest of the season, we could easily get touched up by Thornton again, but the future is bright for the young Stags. (Average age yesterday - 19)

Saying all that, Cookers GK should have saved that FK that just went over his head, and his positioning for the 2nd goal left a lot to be desired.

[BigSam]

Like wise for the Stags, 6 different players in their starting 11 yesterday.

It's funny what young hungry players can do when they are playing for nothing other than passion for their home town team. Too many years have gone by at Awaba with too many players coming through at the end of their careers chasing big dollars and not getting results.

Now for one reason or another, either the kids out performing older players or forced changes because of injuries/suspensions, the perfomances are getting better. Not saying we will win out the rest of the season, we could easily get touched up by Thornton again, but the future is bright for the young Stags. (Average age yesterday - 19)

Saying all that, Cookers GK should have saved that FK that just went over his head, and his positioning for the 2nd goal left a lot to be desired.

Was at this game as westy vs belswans got called off

Toronto just wanted it more.. Simple as that..

2 goals keeper should have done better with, but still decent strikers

Both coaches carried on a bit, Toronto need to learn to show respect when they win also, carried on, to which I later found out both coaches from cooks hill use to be at the stags.

[boz-monaut]

Toronto just wanted it more.. Simple as that..

this was the real disappointment for those of us there for the old boys day

there were two blokes out there trying for Cooks Hill, the rest were just passengers

was good to see some of the old faces anyway - at least the ones who aren't still involved with the club that see week in week out - not that we've got that many actually old aged former players given we only formed 19 years ago

[mervan]

Was at this game as westy vs belswans got called off

Toronto just wanted it more.. Simple as that..

2 goals keeper should have done better with, but still decent strikers

Both coaches carried on a bit, Toronto need to learn to show respect when they win also, carried on, to which I later found out both coaches from cooks hill use to be at the stags.

Big Sam you must be kidding, show more respect, goes both ways

On behalf of the stags apologies for celebrating our fourth win of the season

[front2]

As a team manager I appreciated Toronto staff cleaning up their changeroom area and players respecting the top notch facility; and not kicking dunny doors off and smashing garbage bins. I make sure I leave our opposition changerooms clean and tidy and appreciate the same respect in return. Im just jealous to see the Staggs celebrating a great win. Good on youse.

[BP Super Dynamos]

Thornton up 3-0 at halftime. Southy won all 3 lower grades

[prawnhead]

Stags 3 cookers 1,

Good to see the Stags doing well.

If they harness what they have over that side of the lake, they will be a very powerful club for years to come.

I wish them well.

[NewyTy]

Kahibah v Cessnock City results:

17's: Kahibah 4-3 (A good match for the neutral. Kahibah should have done a lot better. Cessnock's striker in this grade played three games and then on bench for firsts. A quality young player.)
19's: Kahibah 3-0 (A much-needed win for the side. Hat-trick for a defender turned winger for the day and he should have had five or six. Two cracking shots as well could have gone in. Convincing)
23's: Kahibah 2-1 (Hard-fought between two sides trying to stay in finals race. Eleven unbeaten now for Kahibah.)
1st Grade: Kahibah 2-1 (Cessnock led in the 2nd minute with a header after a soft foul was awarded. Kahibah came out trumps but they didn't take the easy route. The 'Nock definitely had their chances and Kahibah again had to win ugly IMO.)

[BigSam]

Big Sam you must be kidding, show more respect, goes both ways

On behalf of the stags apologies for celebrating our fourth win of the season

On a role atm out that side of the lake, who have the stags got for the rest of the season?