Wanderers issues with Show Cause Notice.

[sammydog]

This will be interesting to sit back and watch.


FFA issue Western Sydney Wanderers with show cause letter

Football Federation Australia (FFA) has issued a show cause notice to Western Sydney Wanderers following the misconduct of some of their supporters at Saturday night’s Hyundai A-League match at Etihad Stadium.

FFA has given the club until 5pm (AEDT) Wednesday afternoon to show cause why they should not face sanction for bringing the game into disrepute through the conduct of its supporters, which may include financial penalties and the loss of competition points under the FFA Code of Conduct.
The show cause notice has been sent after FFA today received detailed incident and match reports from Victoria Police, Etihad Stadium management and FFA’s security advisers, outlining incidents that took place on Saturday night.

FFA CEO David Gallop today stated his extreme disappointment in the misconduct of some fans on Saturday night, which tarnishes the reputation of football, the Western Sydney Wanderers and the fans of the other nine Hyundai A-League clubs.

“FFA has received detailed reports from all stakeholders and has asked the Western Sydney Wanderers to show cause why they should not face sanctions for the behaviour of a group of fans on Saturday night,” Gallop said.

“This behaviour has clearly alarmed many people inside and outside the game. It simply cannot be tolerated.

“It is especially disappointing that it has happened at a time when we are working collectively to implement security and banning processes to rid of our game of this type of behaviour for the benefit of football and the true football fans who are tainted by these actions. That is an unfortunate but very real consequence of this behaviour and it underlines the damage that these troublemakers cause.

“We have noted the statements made by the Western Sydney Wanderers in relation to the misconduct and the damage the behaviour is doing to the game.”

FFA will also continue to work with police and stadium security to identify individuals and ensure they are subject to the banning procedures.

http://www.a-league.com.au/article/ffa-issue-western-sydney-wanderers-with-show-cause-letter/1b7fo70cbmc6d1ilff6dmtpwcc

[GazFish35]

So many wsw fans defending their own fans on this it's ridiculous.

Stupidity of the highest order considering the progress made with the protests before Christmas.

The timing of this (with an appeals process announcement due within weeks) clearly demonstrates these blokes don't care about anything but their own anti-authoritarian chest beating to earn Internet ultras points.

Raise the fine for possession to 10K.

Get the cops to make vendors record details of those purchasing them so they can be traced after they're ripped and thrown/dropped.



I love 'em, I think there great, but aren't they just aren't worth the shit the code cops on the media. Wait twenty years when the sports editors and leading journos are football folk not nrl cricket and afl people and we are the number one sport with controlling powers within mainstream media and go nuts.

Until then, you're hurting the game just to earn reps on ultrastifo.net.

**** off

[foti68]

So many wsw fans defending their own fans on this it's ridiculous.

Stupidity of the highest order considering the progress made with the protests before Christmas.

The timing of this (with an appeals process announcement due within weeks) clearly demonstrates these blokes don't care about anything but their own anti-authoritarian chest beating to earn Internet ultras points.

Raise the fine for possession to 10K.

Get the cops to make vendors record details of those purchasing them so they can be traced after they're ripped and thrown/dropped.



I love 'em, I think there great, but aren't they just aren't worth the shit the code cops on the media. Wait twenty years when the sports editors and leading journos are football folk not nrl cricket and afl people and we are the number one sport with controlling powers within mainstream media and go nuts.

Until then, you're hurting the game just to earn reps on ultrastifo.net.

**** off

What the FFA should do is, when a flare is set off eject 20 fans from the immediate area, watch how quick the perpetrators get dobbed in, no other fan groups set off flares get rid of them.

[halo se7en]

I have no sympathy for the clowns. They're getting upset because they're dumb enough to think this fine is because of one incident. It's not because of one incident you stupid mother****ers, it's a build up of frustration from the FFA, most other fans, clubs, administrators etc. because of WSW fan behaviour from day ****ing dot.

[Hunter403]

When a flare goes off grab all punters in a 5 metre radius and throw them all out if no one admits they did it. 20 to 30 expulsions will soon bring self policing. Stupid wank#rs

[Frodo]

Wow, more than 1 person had the stupid idea to just throw out any person within the vicinity of flare? Here's a hypothetical... I light a flare and throw it 5 metres ahead of me and it lands at your feet. You and all your friends then get arrested and kicked out with a $10,000 fine? Do you have any problems with this?? Answer in the space below...




Sincerely the common sense Hobbit

[Frodo]

I think they should threaten the club with fines and point deductions and see if they can deal with things internally. Then the club will have to spend the money to setup cameras and ID scanners to catch people with flares thus not costing the rest of the league money in court cases and police investigations.

If they fail to do so then the FFA should dish out fines and point deductions until teams sort their sh%t out.

[Jetmaster]

No away tix for Sydney derby...loss of 3 points...next home game behind closed doors.
This is the sort of stuff UEFA do, bet we see none of it.

[hawk]

So many wsw fans defending their own fans on this it's ridiculous.

Stupidity of the highest order considering the progress made with the protests before Christmas.

Clearly demonstrates these blokes don't care about anything but their own anti-authoritarian chest beating to earn Internet ultras points.

**** off

age mentality of 3yo's. "look what i can do to impress my greasy mong mates"

If they lost pts and money then the other rednblack sausage eaters might seriously police their own

[lquiquer]

What the FFA should do is, when a flare is set off eject 20 fans from the immediate area, watch how quick the perpetrators get dobbed in, no other fan groups set off flares get rid of them.

Problem with that is flares lighters will move into non active area and quickly disappear ..... If they don't get court what do you do then?...... 20 poor innocents get kicked out?.....

[Hunter403]

Someone will see and identify the perpetrators. Self policing. Said nothing about fining them. Just throw them out.

[sammydog]

How well do the banning actually work. Ive never seen a security guard at a game checking peoples photos.

[hawk]

How well do the banning actually work. Ive never seen a security guard at a game checking peoples photos.

i have, at wsw. Checking anyone who took an interest in the away bay there. they didnt do it often

[q-money]

there is legit a clipboard with all the banned blokes heads and names on it that is distributed to the seccos and police on duty that day.

your hatamotos etc have known who most of the blokes who are up to mischief are for years, and the blokes that are on bans are usually nabbed pretty quickly if they try to defy them.

on another note - self policing, while it might sound like a great idea is about as useful as the old screen door on a submarine.

even if the behaviour is detrimental to the group, it's human nature (well strayan) nature to either shut up shop, blame someone else or just pretend you don't know anything about what happened before you dob someone in.

whether that's the right thing to do is up to the court of popular opinion, and i'm not going to tell people what to do...but the people who are involved in this stuff aren't the types to go and dob on their mates, even if they're dickheads.

the only way it will stop is by either severe bans, police getting blokes to sign in at the cop shop on game day UK style, or making it financially unviable for people to carry on the way they do. having a nerd who actually talks to the club telling him to stop doing it won't do a thing.

[Hunter403]

Nail em up i say!

[plague]

i mean, i can clearly see why they deserve one more chance.
not like its been going on since the first trial game of that club way back when or anything.


some of you lot could get a gig on the state parole board.

[weston]

Club fines, loss of points and game played behind closed doors should all be repercussions against the club in which are considered.

Ban the person themselves for life if they can find out exactly who did it

[GazFish35]

The pain in the arse is that there's so many ways around things.

Announce a points deduction for flares....you watch the trads sneak into the away bay next time and rip one..... Or watch the RBB claim that's what happens.



Increase the fines for bringing them into games, and being in possession of them on game day.
Tastsimis has made a pretty strong statement against them, it now needs to come from popovic and the players.

[scarfy96]

Have everyone that walks into the active supporter are for WSW walk past a sniffer dog:
http://www.optimumk9security.co.uk/pyro-detection-dogs/
Once the game starts have the dogs do a run up and down the first 5-10 rows of the bay.

Anyone found with a flare, ejected, $10,000 fine.

WSW to incur cost of the sniffer dog officers.

[PC14]

I think they should threaten the club with fines and point deductions and see if they can deal with things internally. Then the club will have to spend the money to setup cameras and ID scanners to catch people with flares thus not costing the rest of the league money in court cases and police investigations.

If they fail to do so then the FFA should dish out fines and point deductions until teams sort their sh%t out.

I thought this happened after the incidents on the street in Melbourne a while back.

Why should they be threatened again if the club and supporters group hasn't been able to come up with a solution?

I think the FFA should come down extremely hard. How? I'm not entirely sure. However, after the work done by fans from around the league pre-Christmas to instigate, and get included in, discussions around transparency and protocol re banning of supporters and an effective appeals process, the FFA has every right to do however they please to get to the bottom of this. If it means the team has to cop the brunt of the discipline, so be it. The sooner they, along with the RBB, start acting rather then talking the better.

[plague]

you watch the trads sneak into the away bay next time and rip one..... Or watch the RBB claim that's what happens.


I know you're quoting from somewhere else so nothing personal Mr Fish but this theory is complete ****ing garbage.

[Jetmaster]

Johnny T lets fly with the truth bombs....

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/wanderers-ceo-john-tsatsimas-condemns-behaviour-of-supporters-who-lit-flares-during-match-with-melbourne-victory/news-story/cd644b21d2b1ceade218aaa550f9e19f

[plague]

Johnny T lets fly with the truth bombs....

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/wanderers-ceo-john-tsatsimas-condemns-behaviour-of-supporters-who-lit-flares-during-match-with-melbourne-victory/news-story/cd644b21d2b1ceade218aaa550f9e19f

Truth bombs? Let fly?

Jeez man you're easily pleased.

This is the same garbage they have been saying since the Wanderers very first trial game.

Nothing's changed, except the inaction on previous incidents has empowered the perpetrators that nothing's going to be done.

And the time someone tried to deal with these fans people cried from their rooftops that it was all too harsh and unfair.

We are exactly where we were always going to be on this issue.

Enjoy it, it's what everyone asked for.

[RAM]

Flares are awesome.

Should be legalised.

[Jetmaster]

Truth bombs? Let fly?

Jeez man you're easily pleased.

This is the same garbage they have been saying since the Wanderers very first trial game.

Nothing's changed, except the inaction on previous incidents has empowered the perpetrators that nothing's going to be done.

And the time someone tried to deal with these fans people cried from their rooftops that it was all too harsh and unfair.

We are exactly where we were always going to be on this issue.

Enjoy it, it's what everyone asked for.

John has the cred that FFA doesn't....wish you would stop being such a misery Plaguey.
Life is good.

[plague]

John has the cred that FFA doesn't....wish you would stop being such a misery Plaguey.
Life is good.

Nah, he just sounds like the same rhetoric filled suit that the rest were.

And hey man, I'm good, I'm just looking out for all you true believers. Hate seeing someone try to pull the wool over your eyes.

#staywoke

[hawk]

ffa - Show cause.

wsw - Ok, but our fans said they didnt do it

ffa - Well dont do it again cause we could lose money

wsw - fully sick bro

[baldrick]

ffa - Show cause.

wsw - Ok, but our fans said they didnt do it

ffa - Well dont do it again cause we could lose money

wsw - ok


I can see actually see this happening

[Superdylan]

Will be interesting how the rbb respond to this. Let's face most of these articles are made by nrl media. So why don't 100 members or so rock up to a Wests tigers at leichardt oval and let 10 smoke flares off. After all their club have orange in their kit.

How would the media react then?

[Jetmaster]

That has happened long ago at an old Canterbury-Bankstown game at Belmore. Just the one and a bit of a punch up on the hill.

Of course the Telegraph article was along the lines of "sockah violence at Bulldogs game".

[q-money]

Let's face most of these articles are made by nrl media.
no they aren't

[BodyNovo]

no they aren't

I'd agree with q

most people on the wagon this time around has been the football profiles

smithies, gatt, hill, etc.

I actually think the football profiles in the media besides 1 or 2 are very fair on there coverage

Simon Hills piece yesterday was brilliant imo

[RAM]

I think the NSW Gov should legalise flares. Apart from the atmospheric and ambient value at sporting events, they could also be useful in finding mates at the pub or creating cool jet fighter type trails on a Sunday drive.

[q-money]

if we are going to be brutally honest, though - it looked f*cking sick

[RAM]

if we are going to be brutally honest, though - it looked f*cking sick

of course it did

just get the kiddies to sit elsewhere make sure there's an extinguisher handy - problem solved

[Nou Camp]

anyone been to a Belgrade derby?

1236

[Nou Camp]

if it was a couple of flares and nothing else from their supporters it would hardly be an issue but its all the other sh!t that comes along with their supporters

[RAM]

if it was a couple of flares and nothing else from their supporters it would hardly be an issue but its all the other sh!t that comes along with their supporters

atmosphere?

[plague]

I wonder if David Gallop does any warm up exercises on his finger before he pointlessly wags it or if it's in such good shape already he just goes in cold and nails it everytime.

[plague]

of course it did

just get the kiddies to sit elsewhere make sure there's an extinguisher handy - problem solved

Legit though the quicker they ban women and children from stadiums the quicker is REAL FANZ can get on with SUPPORTING OUR TEAM PROPERLY.

[q-money]

nailed it

[The Dunster]

WSW supporters kits for 2016.

http://baddogneedsrottenhome.com/images/emails/542012e61853f.jpg

[Grimario]

Some players weigh in on the debate... and condemn it.

http://www.wswanderersfc.com.au/article/western-sydney-wanderers-players-share-their-opinions-of-flare-use-in-the-hyundai-a-league/679wlh16zvt81rqrzp92fvgum

[sammydog]

Some players weigh in on the debate... and condemn it.

http://www.wswanderersfc.com.au/article/western-sydney-wanderers-players-share-their-opinions-of-flare-use-in-the-hyundai-a-league/679wlh16zvt81rqrzp92fvgum

Seems a little scripted or predictable from the WSW and timed well to come out before just before the deadline to show cause before the FFA deal out any punishment. All trying to distance themselves from the idiots who caused the issue and build a case its a not fans of the club doing it.

I'll be sitting back with some popcorn when the punishment (if any) is handed out.

They have bought the detonators to Newcastle before, I was amazed nothing was done about it that time. I can see that irrespective of the punishment, the people involved will probably try and ramp it up somewhere as a F$CK YOU to the FFA.

[The Dunster]

Every time the WSW fans light a flare the FFA cut off one of Mark Bridge toes. Once they get to thirteen flares the FFA then start cutting off his fingers.

Solved.

[belchardo]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/10/western-sydney-plead-with-ffa-to-show-leniency-in-sanctions-over-flares

In summary - please don't hurt us, it's not fair to punish us for our fans!


They’ve done nothing wrong in this instance, and penalising the club doesn’t eradicate the problem. The problem is not within the club.

Seemed to work fairly well in the UK and other parts of the world.

Tl;dr? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaah

[baldrick]

Football Federation Australia (FFA) has today fined the Western Sydney Wanderers $50,000 and imposed a suspended three (3) competition point deduction after finding the club guilty of bringing the game into disrepute following the misconduct of some of its supporters last Saturday.
The sanction has been handed down after FFA found some Western Sydney Wanderers fans took part in a pre-meditated and coordinated series of incidents including the ignition of flares and detonators and the display of unauthorised banners.
Where a serious incident occurs that FFA determines should trigger the suspended sanction, the Club will immediately lose three points in the Hyundai A-League. This will apply to incidents that occur in or around any matches the club participates in and will be in place for a period of 12 months, through to 6 February 2017.
“The events of last Saturday night and the coordinated misconduct of a section of Western Sydney Wanderers fans cannot be tolerated by anyone in Australian football,” said FFA CEO David Gallop.
“The misconduct was not only dangerous and threatening but the coordinated and calculated way the fans behaved was a serious blight on the reputation of football and everyone involved in our game including clubs, members, fans, players and officials.

Read more at http://www.a-league.com.au/article/western-sydney-wanderers-found-guilty-of-bringing-the-game-into-disrepute/1bktna4sqv9rl1ctkwxbo4vbfk#2PhFr9o2jEafFprD.99

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[Jeterpool]

I predict there will be a walk out over this.

[Hunter403]

I predict there will be a walk out over this.

Let them. Less mess to clean up afterwards 😊

[baldrick]

tbh, I dont think its that harsh

[Jeterpool]

tbh, I dont think its that harsh

Nor do I. I think it's ok. A little too late (it's been happening since their first match), but OK.

[Mitchy]

Flare enough

[plague]

ffa - Show cause.

wsw - Ok, but our fans said they didnt do it

ffa - Well dont do it again cause we could lose money

wsw - fully sick bro


AHA!!!!!

Hawk is David Gallop.

I knew it.

[Jetmaster]

Geez I hope they rip a flare here in a few weeks - make sure we film it cos Fux will try to ignore it (especially if Cock is commentating).

[lquiquer]

There is now a high risk of home fans penetrating WSW away section and rip one

[plague]

There is now a high risk of home fans penetrating WSW away section and rip one

I think you'll find there might all of a sudden be some self policing in the away area.

[The Dunster]

I think you'll find there might all of a sudden be some self policing in the away area.

Exactly. If a drop in lights a flare then they will be outed. The fact nobody is outing the WSW guys doing it now implies that they are not drop ins.

[MFKS]

If this was the Gypos you would be down there at Shittounge ripping flares to cause more grief for them

Winder how many Smurfs fans are gonna stir up some trouble and drop Wankers further in the shit

[plague]

Winder how many Smurfs fans are gonna stir up some trouble and drop Wankers further in the shit

and they will get caught, and they will get punished, and the WSW will be in the clear.

[GazFish35]

RBB made a pretty limp statement.

If you want to read it in full find yourself.

Summary:

Others do it too
We are picked on
It's the medias fault
Individuals are responsible for their own actions (we won't self police)
And about 15 veiled threats to the FFA that boycotts will happen again if they don't get what they want after the FFA meeting on feb19


Response form other wsw fans was pretty good though. Most called them out for the billshit they're spinning.

[plague]

And about 15 veiled threats to the FFA that boycotts will happen again if they don't get what they want after the FFA meeting on feb19


Hopefully the other fan bases don't fall in behind them this time round.

kudos for giving them the benefit last time, but next time y'all are suckers if they do.

[plague]

RBB made a pretty limp statement.

If you want to read it in full find yourself.


oh man, these dudes are having a real hard time with the whole 'come to the football and support your team' concept aren't they.

[Premy]

RBB made a pretty limp statement.

If you want to read it in full find yourself.

Summary:

Others do it too
We are picked on
It's the medias fault
Individuals are responsible for their own actions (we won't self police)
And about 15 veiled threats to the FFA that boycotts will happen again if they don't get what they want after the FFA meeting on feb19


Response form other wsw fans was pretty good though. Most called them out for the billshit they're spinning.
Just finished reading it, absolute mongs. Lets put our head in the sand and wait for this to all blow over.

[plague]

Just finished reading it, absolute mongs. Lets put our head in the sand and wait for this to all blow over.

Haha you talking 'bout the RBB or the FFA?

[Premy]

Haha you talking 'bout the RBB or the FFA?

If the shoe fits.

[turbojetfireV8]

These guys aren't intelligent enough to self regulate - be good if it were minus 3 for everytime their halfwit supporters kept doing it, that could be fun to watch them go into negative figures - every season...

[hawk]

Hopefully the other fan bases don't fall in behind them this time round.

kudos for giving them the benefit last time, but next time y'all are suckers if they do.

exactry. let them shovel their own sh1t from now on.

But how ezy is it buy flares? and how hard is it to not wanna take it into the rbb and pretend to be euros greasiest.

Hope they come into the southern to fix our seating issue? Some of those seats are way past it

[borat]

Pardon my complete ignorance on this topic as in the past have had no interest or feelings either way on the topic of flares.

But my question, it is illegal is it not to rip a flare anywhere, bar intended uses I assume, not just at a football match?

[Jetmaster]

If tom thumbs and throwdowns are banned I would expect so.

[borat]

That's what I thought. So why has it taken the FFA 11 years to actually get serious about illegal activity.

Any argument for flares seems irrelevant as long as they are illegal. Just keep deducting 3 points for every flare that's ripped and see how long they persist.

[hawk]

That's what I thought. So why has it taken the FFA 11 years to actually get serious about illegal activity.

Any argument for flares seems irrelevant as long as they are illegal. Just keep deducting 3 points for every flare that's ripped and see how long they persist.


1. because the wsw and to a lesser victory are their babies

2. Any champ can don an opp jersey and drop one i guess

[Jetmaster]

There is history - I remember MV fans ripping flares here in V3 I think that caused alot of trouble. No points lost though.

And a serious incident started by Sydney United fans here back in the United days.

I can't see an argument in favour of flares if flagpoles, glass bottles and beachballs and fireworks as mentioned get confiscated by authorities.

Although a fire like this is unlikely in current Australian stadia anyone caught lighting flares should be made to watch this...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIxN3ypB3rw

[baldrick]

There is history - I remember MV fans ripping flares here in V3 I think that caused alot of trouble. No points lost though.

And a serious incident started by Sydney United fans here back in the United days.

I can't see an argument in favour of flares if flagpoles, glass bottles and beachballs and fireworks as mentioned get confiscated by authorities.

Although unlikely in current Australian stadia anyone caught lighting flares should be made to watch this...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIxN3ypB3rw

Should be compulsory viewing for anyone who wants to rip an extremely flammable device in a place they weren't designed for.

I know...this fire wasn't started by a flare..

[Jetmaster]

No it was started by a bit of burning paper. The reason things are like they are now has much to do with Bradford, Heysel and Hillsborough.
These self indulgent twits can't see that.

[Beeen]

exactry. let them shovel their own sh1t from now on.

But how ezy is it buy flares? and how hard is it to not wanna take it into the rbb and pretend to be euros greasiest.

Hope they come into the southern to fix our seating issue? Some of those seats are way past it

:rof:
"Oh it wasn't us, it wasn't us David. Neither was the 12 vs 2".

[hawk]

:rof:
"Oh it wasn't us, it wasn't us David. Neither was the 12 vs 2".

yep.

everyone wearing that red & black disaster deserves a fine and loss of pts

[boz-monaut]

an article on this nonsense in the Huffington Post today - http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/james-mcgrath2/an-outlandish-display-of-warped-masculinity_b_9206082.html?utm_hp_ref=australia

nothing all that new to anyone here

[hawk]

Solution:

Douse the rbb in petrol and trust there wont be a dickhead.

Disconnect water

Sit back and enjoy game

[stopper2]

Just had to shake my head in disbelief seeing the comments in social media from some WSW supporters regarding security at the Victory game last week.
Now it's a common gripe from many who participate in active support (including Jets supporters on here) that security/police are quite often over zealous in doing their job of just maintaining orderly conduct at a football match. Now when I heard some WSW supporters whingeing that "the security was really slack in Melbourne for the Victory game", "people were just walking in without getting their bags checked" blah blah blah.....basically that the lack of proper security contributed to the sheninigans of last Saturday night at Etihad....it's clear these idiots not only want their cake but want to eat the whole ****ing thing!!!

[hawk]

Just had to shake my head in disbelief seeing the comments in social media from some WSW supporters regarding security at the Victory game last week.
Now it's a common gripe from many who participate in active support (including Jets supporters on here) that security/police are quite often over zealous in doing their job of just maintaining orderly conduct at a football match. Now when I heard some WSW supporters whingeing that "the security was really slack in Melbourne for the Victory game", "people were just walking in without getting their bags checked" blah blah blah.....basically that the lack of proper security contributed to the sheninigans of last Saturday night at Etihad....it's clear these idiots not only want their cake but want to eat the whole ****ing thing!!!

if the bank doesnt lock its door we can obvs take the money. Outbreak of west sydney palsy

[baldrick]

So, do the Victory now get a show cause notice after last night's flare ?

[sammydog]

So, do the Victory now get a show cause notice after last night's flare ?

I was wondering the same thing. You would think that the FFA have to do something.

Question is, how do they differentiate between one flare and a heap of them......or do they/should they just consider it the same offence?

[Hunter403]

Cavity search all WSW and MV fans. That will solve it.

[baldrick]

I was wondering the same thing. You would think that the FFA have to do something.

Question is, how do they differentiate between one flare and a heap of them......or do they/should they just consider it the same offence?

Should be the same offence

[Jetmaster]

May sound harsh but whenever there is an offence, why not just close active support for the next match?
If you want to behave like children....

[belchardo]

North terrace just supporting their bro's in the rbb. I expect every active supporters group to do the same.

[belchardo]

Seriously though, FFA have drawn the line, they have to hold it now. The precedent has been set, rip a flare, $50k fine for the club and 3 points deduction. For every other club than MV and WSW, both suspended for the first offence.

I can't see how they can do anything else.

[plague]

Considering every breach of the rules on the field is interpreted differently, I don't see how we should assume or expect the same punishment.

Plus if Victory get one of WSW 'slap on the wrists' can you imagine how rabid the RBB will be.

Gallop should do it just for the lulz and to needle them further.

Will make for good TV.
Will def watch.

[Jetmaster]

Looking forward to "flarewatch" at 5pm today.

[hawk]

Seriously though, FFA have drawn the line, they have to hold it now. The precedent has been set, rip a flare, $50k fine for the club and 3 points deduction. For every other club than MV and WSW, both suspended for the first offence.

I can't see how they can do anything else.

No detonators, 1 flare, 10k fine. Next offence 3pts 50k

[stopper2]

May sound harsh but whenever there is an offence, why not just close active support for the next match?
If you want to behave like children....

Exactly. I think a few people in the media like Cockerill are saying the same thing.

[hawk]

So wsw didnt lose any points, ffa spineless twats. suspended sentence is just another chance

[Jetmaster]

Exactly. I think a few people in the media like Cockerill are saying the same thing.

The positive in that is that it only punishes the perpetrators and their accomplices and they have to either stop, out the culprits or not see any football.

Team doesn't suffer, staff don't suffer, majority of fans don't suffer and the game goes on. Only negative is drop in atmos.

[lquiquer]

Looking forward to "flarewatch" at 5pm today.

U might have to wait till next week....Sydney derby :rof:

[belchardo]

2 hours to "flaremaggedon".

interesting (hopefully) hypothetical:

what should the following people do if there is a few flares ripped during the game?
- players/coaches
- refs
- police/security
- other fans
- FFA
- WSW officials

i'm all for shutting suspending the match while the police/security clear out the active area. encouraging boos from the crowd last night when the flare was ripped, so hopefully that happens too.

[sammydog]

Do the WSW ever actually rip them at home?

I got the impression they only ever really pull this crap away. I was amazed they got away with the detonators when they let them rip in Newcastle last season.

[belchardo]

Do the WSW ever actually rip them at home?

I got the impression they only ever really pull this crap away. I was amazed they got away with the detonators when they let them rip in Newcastle last season.

True. As they said themselves, it's all the fault of the security firms.

[q-money]

sla and i went to an ACL game against one of the korean teams and they put on one of the great self indulgent pyro displays of all time.

i think anything not ffa sanctioned or away is carte blanche for high quality nonsense for these blokes

[parksey]

channel 10 running a "soccer thug" expose at 5pm tomorrow arvo

looks like a bunch of mongs, complete with parkas and scarf-covered faces, have agreed to talk to channel 10 to tell the country how hard they are

may god have mercy on us all