The Politics/Religion/Conspiracies Deathmatch Thread

[The Dunster]

I can't see the point in elections when we could simply elect public officials based on their social media stats.
And once they get into parliament let's make it a big brother style;e thing whereby every Sunday the public get to phone in and vote out a politician of their choosing.

[Jetmaster]

Republic...

President Mark Latham farken.

[plague]

All gags aside about the lunatic but Facebook etc are doing the right thing kicking Alex Jones off their platforms.

Hes still got his 1st amendment right to sprout his gospel, but its not up to a private company to be obliged to broadcast it.





having said that............................those cake bakers should also be allowed to choose their customers.

[The Dunster]

All gags aside about the lunatic but Facebook etc are doing the right thing kicking Alex Jones off their platforms.

Hes still got his 1st amendment right to sprout his gospel, but its not up to a private company to be obliged to broadcast it.





having said that............................those cake bakers should also be allowed to choose their customers.

I have never heard of Alex Jones. Which Boy Band was he in ?

[MFKS]

All gags aside about the lunatic but Facebook etc are doing the right thing kicking Alex Jones off their platforms.

Hes still got his 1st amendment right to sprout his gospel, but its not up to a private company to be obliged to broadcast it.





having said that............................those cake bakers should also be allowed to choose their customers.

So what exactly did he do this time to get an across the board (bar Twitter) removal from Social Media???

Cant seem to find it

[plague]

So what exactly did he do this time to get an across the board (bar Twitter) removal from Social Media???

Cant seem to find it

oh i dont think it was one incident.

just a continual deluge of garbage.

[MFKS]

oh i dont think it was one incident.

just a continual deluge of garbage.

So just the self righteous left bullying to silence opposition ??

[plague]

So just the self righteous left bullying to silence opposition ??

nah.


its actually a private company not liking someone using its 'brand' for their own advancement.

in the same way bad players get cut from football teams, a couple of companies have decided to better represent themselves.

people are out there thinking they have the 'right' to use someone elses dime to have their say.
its not the case.

Govt protects your right to say that stupid shit, but facebook aint the govt.

Facebook doesnt belong to the people, not any more than football teams 'belong' to the fans.




now.

having said that.

id love to see the same rules applied to people advocating for violence against police, politicians and certain religions.

but again, none of those decisions are up to me.

[MFKS]

nah.


its actually a private company not liking someone using its 'brand' for their own advancement.

in the same way bad players get cut from football teams, a couple of companies have decided to better represent themselves.

people are out there thinking they have the 'right' to use someone elses dime to have their say.
its not the case.

Govt protects your right to say that stupid shit, but facebook aint the govt.

Facebook doesnt belong to the people, not any more than football teams 'belong' to the fans.




now.

having said that.

id love to see the same rules applied to people advocating for violence against police, politicians and certain religions.

but again, none of those decisions are up to me.

Facebook and co are only using their Terms of Service thing to deal with him based on a complaint from some snowflake out there

Absolutely nailed on that some self righteous leftiest bell end has taken offence to Alex Jones and has taken this approach to bully him as they disagree with his views

No way in Griffs green earth are the cunce at Facebook and You Tube and Apple sitting around going lets just **** this **** over
Some one has sent through a complaint to get them to act


Also it is funny how this has some what backfired on said snowflake

Infowars App is now trending at no 3 On Google Play


So it has actually dropped publicity on Jones door step

[plague]

Also it is funny how this has some what backfired on said snowflake

Infowars App is now trending at no 3 On Google Play


So it has actually dropped publicity on Jones door step


oh for sure, but this is how the system works.
just because facebook doesnt want you, it doesnt mean you cant be found.

sadly though, just like Bill O'Reilly, the move away from an established platform may bring an initial flood of followers to your new home but long term its just not the same as being on a major media site. it just isnt.

now, remembering that 10 years ago Facebook wasnt a major media platform, so it remains possible that an alternative will come along and wipe them all out.

but for now. nah, Jones has suffered a big hit. but thats the game they are all playing.

[Macca]

Do I want or need to know who this Alex Jones is?

[plague]

Do I want or need to know who this Alex Jones is?
If you need a laugh and have a good sense of humor go check him out hes hilarious.



Except that his prob* serious in what he says so it's not so funny then.









* look, hes a snake oil salesman who doesn't actually believe anything he says but he prays on simpletons in order to get paid so look we all gotta make a dollar right?

[plague]

I think Turnbull was a pretty weak PM, and was never a real conservative.


but.


I love what hes doing on his way out the door.
These Liberal wankers need to be taught a lesson about their petty bullshit and power plays.
Hes scorching the earth on his way out the door, and its no less than that party deserves.

By doing this, hes also guaranteeing Shorten will be our next PM, and the world will be fully exposed to easily the worst Prime Minister this country has ever had.

All the while Big Mal will be back in the crib, doing a spot of fishing off the front pier and getting his banana lounge ready for the new years eve fireworks.


Top work Mal. enjoy the shitshow.

[MFKS]

I think Turnbull was a pretty weak PM, and was never a real conservative.


but.


I love what hes doing on his way out the door.
These Liberal wankers need to be taught a lesson about their petty bullshit and power plays.
Hes scorching the earth on his way out the door, and its no less than that party deserves.

By doing this, hes also guaranteeing Shorten will be our next PM, and the world will be fully exposed to easily the worst Prime Minister this country has ever had.

All the while Big Mal will be back in the crib, doing a spot of fishing off the front pier and getting his banana lounge ready for the new years eve fireworks.


Top work Mal. enjoy the shitshow.


****ing priceless this farce isnt it??

What is a joy to behold is Turnbulls salting of the earth policy he is employing so regardless of whether Dutton Morrisson or Bishop get the gig tomorrow they will have no hope of healing the damage in thge Liberal party let alone the damage done to their nect election chances


Bill Shorten was never gonna be PM
Today Turnbull gave him the keys to the Lodge and he might as well head around this weekend and get it painted how he wants


On another note how clever is Abbott??
Right now he is staying out of this shitfight and keeping his nose clean

Bloke will be the Opposition Leader next year

[Jetmaster]

On another note...I do have Julie Bishop on my "shouldnt but would bang" list, the only reason I can think of is my oncoming senility.

[Bon]

On another note...I do have Julie Bishop on my "shouldnt but would bang" list, the only reason I can think of is my oncoming senility.

After how many schooners does this come in to effect?

[Bremsstrahlung]

Love this country and it’s politics haha

[Jetmaster]

Well that turned out weird.

[plague]

ScoMo.
Interesting choice.
His biggest strength is that he is a good communicator.
At least he van deliver the message.

Libs still need a miracle though.

[MFKS]

ScoMo.
Interesting choice.
His biggest strength is that he is a good communicator.
At least he van deliver the message.

Libs still need a miracle though.

No chance in hell really

Bill Shorten Australias 31st PM.
Just got to wait to May at rhe latest

Easiest election campaign ever for him


ScMo is a dead duck

[Jetmaster]

ScoMo ffs media.

Does that make Roy "RoDo"?

[plague]

No chance in hell really

Bill Shorten Australias 31st PM.
Just got to wait to May at rhe latest

Easiest election campaign ever for him


ScMo is a dead duck

Now where have I heard that before?
https://i.giphy.com/media/l396WgWCEds2EMvCg/giphy.webp

[pv4]

ScoMo ffs media.

Does that make Roy "RoDo"?

I have a friend whom has been calling him that since the moment he heard of him play for CCM.

I call him O'Donodidivan after The Herald (http://bit.ly/4kb77v) once wrote that in a story, great editing right there.

[plague]

tough day for those folks out there that didnt like Black Panther and who think Serena is in the wrong.

prayers up for y'all.

[pessimist]

I like the pink panther but Serena is a douche. Her roids have been acting a treat.

[Jetmaster]

tough day for those folks out there that didnt like Black Panther and who think Serena is in the wrong.

prayers up for y'all.

Let that one through to the keeper....

[plague]

Let that one through to the keeper....

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[The Dunster]

tough day for those folks out there that didnt like Black Panther and who think Serena is in the wrong.

prayers up for y'all.

Serena is a serial offender when it comes to gamesmanship type antics including verbally abusing officials, volunteers, and her opponents.
She complains a lot about how women are treated differently but if she had to play against men she'd be bagaled by any 3rd string College player that wouldn't be capable of making a cent on the men's tour.
She should be thankful that the women's game exists because she'd be penniless playing against 14 year old boy's let alone men.

[plague]

Dang, so now someone drew a caricature of Serena in the paper.

Whoo boy, this gonna leave a mark.

[The Dunster]

Dang, so now someone drew a caricature of Serena in the paper.

Whoo boy, this gonna leave a mark.

The sad thing is the massive attention this shit is receiving on social media. Elsewhere you have women and children being persecuted / raped / enforced in slavery and yet a very well paid person has a melt down at work and that's where everyone's attention is.

There are millions of persons suffering because of their gender and socioeconomic status - Serena Williams is not one of them.

[plague]

The sad thing is the massive attention this shit is receiving on social media. Elsewhere you have women and children being persecuted / raped / enforced in slavery and yet a very well paid person has a melt down at work and that's where everyone's attention is.

There are millions of persons suffering because of their gender and socioeconomic status - Serena Williams is not one of them.

I have 2 points on this whole episode.

1. I am not black, nor a woman. I have never experienced racism or sexism. If Serena Williams (any any african american) is offended by the cartoon, then ok, I have no choice but to believe them. But the likes of the usual suspects (most of whom are white/middle class westerners) claiming to be 'offended' by the cartoon is a bit off the mark. They just want to be on the right side of the argument, when they really have no place in the argument. The French Open/Catsuit issue a few weeks ago was a great example of that.

2. One of the best words that have sprung up in the last little bit has been 'whataboutism'. This is used almost exclusivley by the anti-Trump brigade who use the term as a term of ridicule when Trump (or his supporters) bring up any indiscretion by Hillary/Obama etc. They tell me that Trump is guilty and by indulging in 'whataboutism' further discredits him.

Yet the second the Serena thing started, those same voices didnt mind pulling out the 'whataboutism' when bringing mens behaviour into the argument.

In short.

I dont care about the cartoon.
People are hypocrites.

#MAGA
#Trump2020
#jetfuelcantmeltsteelbeams

[MFKS]

Exactly what though was the issue to start with

She got caught by the umpire being coached from the stands

The umpire applied a sanction as he was entitled to do

She spat the dummy over it and lost the plot.


We not talking about a young rookie here but a seasoned veteran


Anyone want to offer up it as just a show from her as a tactic to try and unsettle her opponent as Serenas tennis wasnt doing it ??

Obviously didnt work

But exactly what wasthe problem with the umpires response ??
Did he claim to be be doing it because she was female,??
Did he claim to be doing it because of her skin colour??

Not from what I have seen

Just people jumping to conclusions and playing the sex and race cards to carry on

[plague]

Exactly what though was the issue to start with

She got caught by the umpire being coached from the stands

The umpire applied a sanction as he was entitled to do

She spat the dummy over it and lost the plot.


We not talking about a young rookie here but a seasoned veteran


Anyone want to offer up it as just a show from her as a tactic to try and unsettle her opponent as Serenas tennis wasnt doing it ??

Obviously didnt work

But exactly what wasthe problem with the umpires response ??
Did he claim to be be doing it because she was female,??
Did he claim to be doing it because of her skin colour??

Not from what I have seen

Just people jumping to conclusions and playing the sex and race cards to carry on

From your perspective its hard to argue any of this.
You'll also probably find a lot of the general public would agree with you.

what none of us know, however, is Serena Williams' perspective on it.
To hear about her childhood, her upbringing, the crap she copped all the way up, the crap she copped once she got there, and the crap she still gets today, I can totally see how she sees it as just another example of her being treated differently from the rest, when maybe she thinks she deserves more respect.

I mean, we talk all the time about how referees have different interpretations for different teams in football. everyone in this is human, and they all allowed to be fallible.

[MFKS]

From your perspective its hard to argue any of this.
You'll also probably find a lot of the general public would agree with you.

what none of us know, however, is Serena Williams' perspective on it.
To hear about her childhood, her upbringing, the crap she copped all the way up, the crap she copped once she got there, and the crap she still gets today, I can totally see how she sees it as just another example of her being treated differently from the rest, when maybe she thinks she deserves more respect.

I mean, we talk all the time about how referees have different interpretations for different teams in football. everyone in this is human, and they all allowed to be fallible.

But in the middle of a tennis match how she feels about the officials call and whether she likes it or not is irrelevant

You still have to suck it up and get on with the game

No one gives a **** about her opinion on the matter either. Her sense of self entitlement here has **** all to do with anything


Wonder if old mate umpire will sue her for the defamation of his character that she made baseless accusations about ??

[plague]

But in the middle of a tennis match how she feels about the officials call and whether she likes it or not is irrelevant

You still have to suck it up and get on with the game

No one gives a **** about her opinion on the matter either. Her sense of self entitlement here has **** all to do with anything


Wonder if old mate umpire will sue her for the defamation of his character that she made baseless accusations about ??

she was having her ass handed to her on a night when she was chasing history, in front of her 'home' crowd. Its prob the most pressure shes ever faced on the court and she cracked.

you see it with Berisha, O'Donovan etc.
i aint even for one second trying to step into their shoes, i cant ever think of being under such pressure, so no idea how id act.

but if theres one thing that bothered me about it, it was the post match comments, and the 'reaction' from the media. they asked her a bunch of softball questions and actually cheered her after the press conference was finished. i know its a small example, but this is why Trump gets such milage from demonising the press.

The press should have gone way harder on her, yet they all fear their access to the superstar will be revoked if they rock the boat (and they prob have Sir Alex to thank for that).

In the big moment, the ump cracked, the player cracked and the press cracked.

meanwhile Osaka cleaned house and no one gave her any respect either.

Shes the one who actually has a fair reason to gripe.

again, applying the rules makes this an easy argument.

[The Dunster]

she was having her ass handed to her on a night when she was chasing history, in front of her 'home' crowd. Its prob the most pressure shes ever faced on the court and she cracked.

you see it with Berisha, O'Donovan etc.
i aint even for one second trying to step into their shoes, i cant ever think of being under such pressure, so no idea how id act.

but if theres one thing that bothered me about it, it was the post match comments, and the 'reaction' from the media. they asked her a bunch of softball questions and actually cheered her after the press conference was finished. i know its a small example, but this is why Trump gets such milage from demonising the press.

The press should have gone way harder on her, yet they all fear their access to the superstar will be revoked if they rock the boat (and they prob have Sir Alex to thank for that).

In the big moment, the ump cracked, the player cracked and the press cracked.

meanwhile Osaka cleaned house and no one gave her any respect either.

Shes the one who actually has a fair reason to gripe.

again, applying the rules makes this an easy argument.

Agreed. Great post Plague.

[MFKS]

Agreed. Great post Plague.

The umpire didnt crack though

He made the calls in accordance with the rules

1 Warning for coaching

CORRECT

2 Point for Smashing her racket

CORRECT

3 Game for her abuse calling him a thief etc

CORRECT


All he done was applied the rules when issues of rule violations come up


But as per typical of modern society it somehow his fault **** off it is

Be like us blaming the ref for giving Roy a red for his kung fu kick

The 10 weeks we can argue about but not the red card or the suspension for it

[pv4]

I am not black, nor a woman.

Every time I learn more about your personal life I adore you more, plaguesey.

[pv4]

The two things I've taken from this Serena incident is:
- If I called a ref in football a thief and claimed he robbed me a point, I'd be getting minimum 2 game suspension without any form of question. Serena needs to be (pun intended) slammed for this comment. And if similar or worse genuinely happens in tennis, which I truthfully haven't seen, then that too needs to be slammed (used it again, no regrets). And the gender, or even the level of competition, of the guilty party is irrelevant in comparison to the consistency of the umpires needed.
- the most racist part of "that" cartoon was the depiction of Serena's opponent :oops:

[plague]

The umpire didnt crack though

He made the calls in accordance with the rules

1 Warning for coaching

CORRECT

2 Point for Smashing her racket

CORRECT

3 Game for her abuse calling him a thief etc

CORRECT


All he done was applied the rules when issues of rule violations come up


But as per typical of modern society it somehow his fault **** off it is


Again, to be clear. I ain't blaming the umpire.
The ump had absolutely zero to do with Serena losing.
Osaka was the reason Serena lost.


But.



Discretion can be applied to the 1st and 3rd violations. He chose to be strict and I'm cool with it.

But 'feminist twitter', joining forces with 'black twitter' have come up with plenty of examples where the same ump used way more leniency with white/Male players. And that's where the 'prejudice' argument has come in.

Again, I'm cool with what the ump did. But if Serena feels she was treated differently from the men, and the white girls, well then that's the point you, me and all the other honkies cant dive into.


I'll defend the ump because it's the same reason I hate VAR.

Stop trying to make humans perfect.
We cant all be Griff.

[plague]

Every time I learn more about your personal life I adore you more, plaguesey.

I'm also a pathalogical liar.

So yeah, you can do with that whatever.

[plague]

Actually one thing I learned from the cartoon is that a LOT of very loud Americans think Australia is a super, super racist country.

[Frodo]

In regards to the match.

Serena didn't handle losing well and did a good job of deflecting the blame onto the ref to save her brand (Any attention can be good attention if you are smart enough). If that was the end of the story I think it would be pretty normal.

In regards to the cartoon.

There will always be a fine line between Satire and Racism and we do need to be careful to stop people using satire as an excuse to be racist. I'm very confident the cartoonist had every intention of hitting a nerve with his depiction, but he wasn't doing it from a racist stand point. He was just ridiculing her and one of her strongest features is her skin colour. She is very proudly african-american and in satire you need to hit them where it hurts. (Trumpf's hair and tweets, Obama's smile and wife, Turnbulls money, Abbots nose and budgee smugglers)

He gets publicity out of it, the papers sell more copies, Serena gets noticed more than the 1st Japanese Singles Grand Slam Champion EVER! The powers at be win again.

[pv4]

Americans think Australia is a super, super racist country.

They're not exactly wrong.

[Macca]

They're not exactly wrong.

They're not wrong, but fairly ironic and bold for them to be taking high grounds on racism.

[MFKS]

In regards to the match.

Serena didn't handle losing well and did a good job of deflecting the blame onto the ref to save her brand (Any attention can be good attention if you are smart enough). If that was the end of the story I think it would be pretty normal.

In regards to the cartoon.

There will always be a fine line between Satire and Racism and we do need to be careful to stop people using satire as an excuse to be racist. I'm very confident the cartoonist had every intention of hitting a nerve with his depiction, but he wasn't doing it from a racist stand point. He was just ridiculing her and one of her strongest features is her skin colour. She is very proudly african-american and in satire you need to hit them where it hurts. (Trumpf's hair and tweets, Obama's smile and wife, Turnbulls money, Abbots nose and budgee smugglers)

He gets publicity out of it, the papers sell more copies, Serena gets noticed more than the 1st Japanese Singles Grand Slam Champion EVER! The powers at be win again.

That also being said Sereba is a black women by depicting her in a cartoon straight away you are going to have every half wit screaming racism
for acturally drawing a physical description

The exact same thing a cartoonist does on a daily basis with the likes if Trump Abbott ScoMo Turnbull etc and there is never any comment there at all

[plague]

That also being said Sereba is a black women by depicting her in a cartoon straight away you are going to have every half wit screaming racism
for acturally drawing a physical description

The exact same thing a cartoonist does on a daily basis with the likes if Trump Abbott ScoMo Turnbull etc and there is never any comment there at all

Yeah gotta side with the Member here. What colour are you supposed to paint a block persons skin?

Funnily enough in one tweet, that Harry Potter broad said he was racist for painting a black woman black, and racist for painting Osaka as a fair skinned blonde girl.


At least his employers backed him, as you will see from today's front page of that same paper.

[plague]

They're not exactly wrong.

Wow. You really think we as a country are super racist?

As much as there are plenty of examples of scumbags, I've never thought we as a society are like that.

What makes you think that?

[Serd1]

The drawing was of a Black woman having a dummy spit, all this PC BULLSHIT can F%#K OFF..
There was nothing racist about the drawing.
#illridewithmarkknight

[MFKS]

Wow. You really think we as a country are super racist?

As much as there are plenty of examples of scumbags, I've never thought we as a society are like that.

What makes you think that?

I would say we actually are a pretty racist country in the grand scheme of things

Our geographic isolation in that it 3 hours to NZ and 5 hours to PNG and couple of hours to Pacific Islands mean that we have an isolation mentality

Basically everyone here is not exposed to different cultures as you get elsewhere in the world

We also have the added dynamic where for some reason we seem to want to apologise for a decision made by the British Government 230 years and pander to the descendants of those effected by it

So as a result we have a divisiveness and insecurity about ourselves

[plague]

I would say we actually are a pretty racist country in the grand scheme of things

Our geographic isolation in that it 3 hours to NZ and 5 hours to PNG and couple of hours to Pacific Islands mean that we have an isolation mentality

Basically everyone here is not exposed to different cultures as you get elsewhere in the world

We also have the added dynamic where for some reason we seem to want to apologise for a decision made by the British Government 230 years and pander to the descendants of those effected by it

So as a result we have a divisiveness and insecurity about ourselves

Well I'd def say that none of those examples you gave amount to the 'country' being racist.

Just go look at Japans immigration policies, then tell me if that's racism?

Cause Australia is wayyyyyyyyy more welcoming of 'different folk' than most countries and have been for ages.

Japan is pretty much the most insular country I've ever been to, yet they dont seem to have this rep.

[The Dunster]

Can someone inform me which country is not racist ?

[Frodo]

Yeah gotta side with the Member here. What colour are you supposed to paint a block persons skin?

Firstly, I said he didn't do anything wrong. What he did was basic satirical cartoon drawing. He accentuated her strong physical frame and drew her as a bit of a savage, typical cartoonist style. He didn't do it to be racist, he did it because that is how cartoons work when you are trying to grab headlines. I'm ok with him and his drawing, but i'm also ok with a few people questioning his intentions to make sure this wasn't the tip of a big ol' raceberg. (read:racist iceberg) It will blow over in a day or two.



Secondly, Australia is very racist. We just don't have guns and can't make a race war out of it. We have a huge amount of politicians who promote anti-muslim propaganda as well as keeping aboriginal problems as far away from discussion as possible. Then add in the Alan Jones of this country who wish we all lived in the good old days before inflation and the improvements of the middle class.

My mum is a racist, my in laws have said some bad things in conversation. My brother in law was sprouting crap the other week about Muslims taking over Christianity in the next decade. As soon as I googled the 'facts' he told me and they were easily proven wrong, we had a long discussion about believing what you read on facebook and fact checking. He is a smart guy and a good, caring person. But we are too lazy to fact check and too isolated from the rest of the world to have any real clue what's going on.

Imagine if we had to deal with something like the Syrian Refugee situation in Europe, or the Rohingya crisis in Myanmar. A larger proportion of Aussie's would be more worried about them stealing the tiny amount of land we have left than actually helping. Not the majority, but certainly a lot of people would be terrified of those refugees without knowing why.

[Frodo]

Can someone inform me which country is not racist ?

Antartica.

[Jetmaster]

All about the brand....when Argie and Portugal got dumped out of the WC all we saw were shots of Messi and Ronaldo.

If the Jets beat SFC in a GF the media would be all about how Sydney lost it, not how the Jets won it.

Media now is never about the result...its about the newsworthy angle they can milk.

[plague]

Secondly, Australia is very racist. We just don't have guns and can't make a race war out of it. We have a huge amount of politicians who promote anti-muslim propaganda as well as keeping aboriginal problems as far away from discussion as possible.


Imagine if we had to deal with something like the Syrian Refugee situation in Europe, or the Rohingya crisis in Myanmar. A larger proportion of Aussie's would be more worried about them stealing the tiny amount of land we have left than actually helping. Not the majority, but certainly a lot of people would be terrified of those refugees without knowing why.

I dont think I'm getting my point a Ross very well.

I'm citing 'Australia being racist' as in we have different policies for different colours, we have different wage structures for immigrants etc. From what I see, if you're an 'aussie' then you're on about as level a playing field as there is internationally.

You brought up a lot of religious based points. Again, I'm not talking about religion, and as far as the govt is concerned our laws trump any religious rights (I think). So again, our system is fair, but yeah for sure there are bigots.


As for the refugee crisis etc, well isn't it a good thing that we live in a country that looks after its folks, provides health care aged care etc to help the needy that we dont feel the need to fear our govt* and they dont have the power to make us live in fear.

By all means we should look after others in need but 250 years ago we were a bunch of I digenous folk living off the land, now we have x-boxs, beer and porn. And WE BUILT THAT SHIT!!!!!!

Australia is a tops country. Not without fault, but geez I'd love to know where all these people ashamed of being here would rather be.







* I'd have no hesitation in throwing hands with every single ****ing one of our elected officials confident I'm walking away victorious, except maybe that ex-SAS dude. Hed **** me up.

[Frodo]

I dont think I'm getting my point a Ross very well.

I'm citing 'Australia being racist' as in we have different policies for different colours, we have different wage structures for immigrants etc. From what I see, if you're an 'aussie' then you're on about as level a playing field as there is internationally.

You brought up a lot of religious based points. Again, I'm not talking about religion, and as far as the govt is concerned our laws trump any religious rights (I think). So again, our system is fair, but yeah for sure there are bigots.


As for the refugee crisis etc, well isn't it a good thing that we live in a country that looks after its folks, provides health care aged care etc to help the needy that we dont feel the need to fear our govt* and they dont have the power to make us live in fear.

By all means we should look after others in need but 250 years ago we were a bunch of I digenous folk living off the land, now we have x-boxs, beer and porn. And WE BUILT THAT SHIT!!!!!!

Australia is a tops country. Not without fault, but geez I'd love to know where all these people ashamed of being here would rather be.







* I'd have no hesitation in throwing hands with every single ****ing one of our elected officials confident I'm walking away victorious, except maybe that ex-SAS dude. Hed **** me up.



I think I get where you're coming from. As a country we aren't set up to persecute based on race. You get the same health care, pay the same taxes and have to watch the same terrible tv.

But, as a people, I do think we are up there with Americans in the racism game. That said, I think racism is a terrible by-product of being uniformed and opinionated. So the problem is more that we are stupid than just racist. The Cronulla Riots are about as close we can get to actual civil fighting in this country anyway so we can't really compete when it comes to the affects of racism compared to the US. We are pretty soft when it comes to actual anger/fighting in this country (which is a good thing), we just bitch and moan on TV until something better comes along.

I don't know the numbers but I reckon more Americans would be shot by their animals than Aussies are shot by gang members / violent criminals. Hence why the race problems over there are so violent and in your face.

Guns + Angry stupid people = shootings.
No Guns + Angry stupid people = angry stupid people.

[MFKS]

Well I'd def say that none of those examples you gave amount to the 'country' being racist.

Just go look at Japans immigration policies, then tell me if that's racism?

Cause Australia is wayyyyyyyyy more welcoming of 'different folk' than most countries and have been for ages.

Japan is pretty much the most insular country I've ever been to, yet they dont seem to have this rep.

Japan looks after Japan first and foremost

I give you a couple of examples how Thailand is similar

In Thailand a foreigner cant buy land. or a house
You can pay for it but put it in your Thai partners name
The only thing a foreigner can buy in your name is a condo.

In Australia it is a free for all with lets just look at the Chinese as one group investing heavily in housing and land purchase

Now if the Australian government enacted a policy similasr to the Thais what would the reaction be from the vocal outraged snowflakes in this country??

In Thailand they have a two price structure.
You want to go see eg Thai Royal Palace in Bangkok and it has two admission prices

One dirt cheap price for the local citizens
One much more expensive price for foreigners

Should hear some of the foreigners blow a fuse over that policy


You try bringing a policy in like that where say entry into say Opera House is free for Skips and pay for entry for foreigners and see what the response is

Both examples show the locals looking after themselves as they really should be doing

Problem is here we are that insecure about our own National identity and being patriotic about Australia we are too worried about offending people

[MFKS]

I think I get where you're coming from. As a country we aren't set up to persecute based on race. You get the same health care, pay the same taxes and have to watch the same terrible tv.

But, as a people, I do think we are up there with Americans in the racism game. That said, I think racism is a terrible by-product of being uniformed and opinionated. So the problem is more that we are stupid than just racist. The Cronulla Riots are about as close we can get to actual civil fighting in this country anyway so we can't really compete when it comes to the affects of racism compared to the US. We are pretty soft when it comes to actual anger/fighting in this country (which is a good thing), we just bitch and moan on TV until something better comes along.

I don't know the numbers but I reckon more Americans would be shot by their animals than Aussies are shot by gang members / violent criminals. Hence why the race problems over there are so violent and in your face.

Guns + Angry stupid people = shootings.
No Guns + Angry stupid people = angry stupid people.

Disagree

Teh Australian society is institutionally set up with different policies for white Australians as it is for black Australians
You just look at the policies in place of government departments to assist the black Australians in getting over some of the perceived short comings that disadvantage them in life

[Frodo]

Disagree

Teh Australian society is institutionally set up with different policies for white Australians as it is for black Australians
You just look at the policies in place of government departments to assist the black Australians in getting over some of the perceived short comings that disadvantage them in life

Not gonna get into this one with you. Those policies end up saving you and I money in the long term.

[MFKS]

Not gonna get into this one with you. Those policies end up saving you and I money in the long term.

I not interested in debating these policies in specific either but the reality is that they are there whether rightly or wrongly

Our government continues to recognise both white and black Australians seperately rather than just classing us all as Australians and going from there

As a result we have divisiveness inflicted upon us from the government before the media even puts their spin and agenda into the equation

[plague]

Disagree

Teh Australian society is institutionally set up with different policies for white Australians as it is for black Australians
You just look at the policies in place of government departments to assist the black Australians in getting over some of the perceived short comings that disadvantage them in life

you make that sound like helping people from an underprivilged background is.. .....bad?

and dont make out that it's a black and white thing. Govt provides plenty of resources to all people who are out of work, sick and from a bad background.

Jesus man, you know how HECS works right?

[plague]

Our government continues to recognise both white and black Australians seperately rather than just classing us all as Australians and going from there


I def agree here.
Indeed it's a fine line between celebrating and respecting a culture to outwardly grouping people by their colour or race.
I dont think govts do a great job of it either.


Anyone answer this for me:
With all the debate about changing the Australian flag to something more inclusive. .........has anyone ever asked if the indigenous folk are ready to give up their flag too?

Because if we're all gonna come together and kick out the past (namely the union jack) then 'everyone' gotta start fresh no?

[The Dunster]

you make that sound like helping people from an underprivilged background is.. .....bad?

and dont make out that it's a black and white thing. Govt provides plenty of resources to all people who are out of work, sick and from a bad background.

Jesus man, you know how HECS works right?

HECS doesn't work. It pretty much makes education relatively more expensive for people from lower socioeconomic backgrounds.

[Frodo]

I def agree here.
Indeed it's a fine line between celebrating and respecting a culture to outwardly grouping people by their colour or race.
I dont think govts do a great job of it either.


Anyone answer this for me:
With all the debate about changing the Australian flag to something more inclusive. .........has anyone ever asked if the indigenous folk are ready to give up their flag too?

Because if we're all gonna come together and kick out the past (namely the union jack) then 'everyone' gotta start fresh no?

I don't even think the entire indigenous community wants to change the flag. I think that's more of an conversation starter for some people to get to the issues they actually want changed. They want to be acknowledged as the first Australians, the flag is just a way of getting the topic discussed by the media to continue their arguments.

They want to national anthem changed where they say we are young and free to something other than young. Because we have some of the oldest signs of early humans.
They want the curriculum changed so that Australia didn't start the day that Cook got here.
They want Australia changed from Aus 26th. (It should be the 1st of January when we signed the constitution but that doesn't suit the holiday makers so they keep as the day Cook Arrived.)

This is the basic stuff that I seem to see people calmly discussing. The land stuff and other points I don't pay attention to.

[MFKS]

I don't even think the entire indigenous community wants to change the flag. I think that's more of an conversation starter for some people to get to the issues they actually want changed. They want to be acknowledged as the first Australians, the flag is just a way of getting the topic discussed by the media to continue their arguments.

They want to national anthem changed where they say we are young and free to something other than young. Because we have some of the oldest signs of early humans.
They want the curriculum changed so that Australia didn't start the day that Cook got here.
They want Australia changed from Aus 26th. (It should be the 1st of January when we signed the constitution but that doesn't suit the holiday makers so they keep as the day Cook Arrived.)

This is the basic stuff that I seem to see people calmly discussing. The land stuff and other points I don't pay attention to.

Jesus man

Cook didnt get here 26th January

Thast was Arthur Phillip

Maybe general history lessons are in order for the people of this country

[MFKS]

you make that sound like helping people from an underprivilged background is.. .....bad?

and dont make out that it's a black and white thing. Govt provides plenty of resources to all people who are out of work, sick and from a bad background.

Jesus man, you know how HECS works right?

But you are forgetting the principle that these free hand outs to all these disadvantaged groups actually achieve little as all it does is reinforce some form of entitlement that people actually should constantly be given something

Go see how the people in the world live when they dont have these hand outs

They dont work they dont eat etc

So they get off their arse and get a job

Compare that to Bazza and Shazza Bogan out there who are quite happy being dole bludgers spitting out kids and stealing doing drugs etc

Plenty of these ****ers whom are happy to sponge off society with no interest in getting a ****ing job

[MFKS]

Whats everyones thoughts on the 9 year old who wont stand for the National Anthrm??

[Macca]

HECS doesn't work. It pretty much makes education relatively more expensive for people from lower socioeconomic backgrounds.

Would be interested in you expanding on this.

As for the racist country debate, I think Frodo pretty much covers my view fairly well. The "country" as such is fairly good, but there are a looot of people inside that country who are very racist still.

[plague]

Whats everyones thoughts on the 9 year old who wont stand for the National Anthrm??

The only shame that needs to be dished out is to the parents who are clearly using their kid as a prop to get some sort of recognition.

Just go check it the dad especially. Hes a legit piece of work.
Anyway they can all enjoy their 15 mins then turn up on celebrity big brother in a few years time with Corey the party boy.

[MFKS]

The only shame that needs to be dished out is to the parents who are clearly using their kid as a prop to get some sort of recognition.

Just go check it the dad especially. Hes a legit piece of work.
Anyway they can all enjoy their 15 mins then turn up on celebrity big brother in a few years time with Corey the party boy.

Thr shame really goes on all the clowns out there whom are happy to bag her out for her choice then advocate for freedom to choose what one sees fit

The kids view is allowed and there is no rule law or anything here in Oz that says she cant do as she done

So why is Pauline Latham and co whom are beacons of free speech so up in arms at this??

[boz-monaut]

because freedom of speech only works for these people if you are them, or if you say stuff they agree with

being offensive about race is fine, but if you say anything bad about shit they care about (flags, ANZACs, white privilege) then you should be shot

[plague]

because freedom of speech only works for these people if you are them, or if you say stuff they agree with

being offensive about race is fine, but if you say anything bad about shit they care about (flags, ANZACs, white privilege) then you should be shot

oh but the same can be said for the raving loonies on campus when it comes to anyone questioning climate science, gender studies etc.
i think those hippies are no different to rednecks like Hanson/Latham etc.
They are playing the hits for the mongs that put money in the jukebox.

[plague]

The kids view is allowed

oh this is correct, but do you really think a 9 year old kid has any real clue about institutionalised racism?

if she is 'woke' enough to see it at age 9, then shes rolling in some pretty weird circles.

[MFKS]

oh this is correct, but do you really think a 9 year old kid has any real clue about institutionalised racism?

if she is 'woke' enough to see it at age 9, then shes rolling in some pretty weird circles.

9 year olds aint as dumb as you are playing them to be



I would also guess that her parents are also responsible for the indoctrination of her but I am more surprised it wasnt the lefties in theeducation department

What is surprising was there response when she refused to comply

Being that the leftist attitude of the education department is as it is it is baffling why they were not doing cartwheels at her response to question things as that is a big part of their divisive agenda

Why they seemed to be upset ast her beats me

Indoctrination

[The Dunster]

Would be interested in you expanding on this..

The idea behind HECS is that Governments can't afford to offer free education which is simply not true.
With the introduction of HECS people are being suckered into paying for something they can't really afford much like financing on a car or any other asset that loses value over time.
Property / Houses in general are something that generally appreciates in value over time. But education in most cases has a limited life meaning the value of a degree declines over time.
For those able to afford to pay upfront the cost is much less [benefits of paying upfront, no interest] and the asset itself still has value once they own it outright due to it being fresh / new / relevant. For those that can't pay upfront not only do they pay more, by the time they make their last HECS payment the asset has essentially no value at all.

We can also look at Human Capital Theory [HCT] where studies have shown that anything beyond a basic undergraduate degree is a complete waste of time and money.

The only ones to really benefit are the charlatans offering the courses / degrees.

[plague]

9 year olds aint as dumb as you are playing them to be


well as a parent of a nine year old I may just have you covered on this one Member.
He is a smart kid, does very very well at school thanks to his mothers genes and help (dads an idiot just rambling about football and Trump 24/7). He goes to a pretty lefty type school, they do welcome to country before every ceremony, always raising money for weirdo causes ARENT THE REFUGEES RICH ENOUGH YET WHY DO I HAVE TO GIVE ANOTHER GOLD ****ING COIN. He was tut tutted in class when he backchatted the teacher who made a smart ass comment about President Trump. (i raised it at the teacher parent interview dont you worry).

But nah, not at any time has the school deep dived into the area of institutionalised racism enough that would make Plague Jnr think he gonna fix it by having a damn sit in. Ive actually been pretty impressed with the way the school has taught them about indigenous folk, and its def taught as 'history' rather than THE WHITEYS ARE STILL LASHING THEM AND RAPING THEIR SACRED ROCKS etc etc etc.

Plus the school hes at has every colour of kid under the sun so even 9 year olds would be able to tell the con of a school full of ethnics getting a good education is occurring in a country that hates anyone but the whities.

you're right, kids arent stupid, but this little 9 yr old in QLD sure seems like a sucker.

[plague]

The idea behind HECS is that Governments can't afford to offer free education which is simply not true.
With the introduction of HECS people are being suckered into paying for something they can't really afford much like financing on a car or any other asset that loses value over time.
Property / Houses in general are something that generally appreciates in value over time. But education in most cases has a limited life meaning the value of a degree declines over time.
For those able to afford to pay upfront the cost is much less [benefits of paying upfront, no interest] and the asset itself still has value once they own it outright due to it being fresh / new / relevant. For those that can't pay upfront not only do they pay more, by the time they make their last HECS payment the asset has essentially no value at all.

We can also look at Human Capital Theory [HCT] where studies have shown that anything beyond a basic undergraduate degree is a complete waste of time and money.

The only ones to really benefit are the charlatans offering the courses / degrees.

added to this point (which i totally agree with) but HECS is now causing the problem of Uni's just filling seats in courses with any bozo regardless of their entry score because the Uni gets the funding up front. They certainly dont care how Mr Mong is gonna pay off that sweet arts degree because he cant get a job and is in fact, a moron who shouldnt have been at Uni in the first place.
Hence devaluing the degrees that the kids who did actually qualify end up with.



but hey, YOU go be that guy who tries to take funding away from Unis, they'll come at you worse than the child care folk.

[The Dunster]

added to this point (which i totally agree with) but HECS is now causing the problem of Uni's just filling seats in courses with any bozo regardless of their entry score because the Uni gets the funding up front. They certainly dont care how Mr Mong is gonna pay off that sweet arts degree because he cant get a job and is in fact, a moron who shouldnt have been at Uni in the first place.
Hence devaluing the degrees that the kids who did actually qualify end up with.



but hey, YOU go be that guy who tries to take funding away from Unis, they'll come at you worse than the child care folk.

Very true. There's also been a massive push to make courses more attractive to students such as flexible learning arrangements, removal of mathematical content, lowering the bar by making formal exams less important in the overall course assessment.

I can remember Intermediate Macro and Introductory Finance / Accounting having 70% failure rates in the 80's and 90's [Because exam was 80% or more of the assessment]. Students started avoiding the courses so they watered them down to make them passable for the marketing / business students that in general have very limited mathematical ability.

This essentially propped up enrollments in these courses from 60 or so to 500 plus.

With respect to accounting I recall they made it possible to actually avoid 100 level finance subjects at Newcastle by giving exemptions to people who completed a much easier course at TAFE. Eventually, the Uni course was watered down significantly to get back the students they were losing to TAFE.

Don't get me wrong, plenty of dumb khunts were enrolled in degrees long before HECS appeared - but it's definitely getting worse now that pretty much anyone can gain entry.

The real shit will hit the fan when PHd's can be purchased through a HECS type scheme [I'm a bit out of the loop here so it may already have happened].

[MFKS]

well as a parent of a nine year old I may just have you covered on this one Member.
He is a smart kid, does very very well at school thanks to his mothers genes and help (dads an idiot just rambling about football and Trump 24/7). He goes to a pretty lefty type school, they do welcome to country before every ceremony, always raising money for weirdo causes ARENT THE REFUGEES RICH ENOUGH YET WHY DO I HAVE TO GIVE ANOTHER GOLD ****ING COIN. He was tut tutted in class when he backchatted the teacher who made a smart ass comment about President Trump. (i raised it at the teacher parent interview dont you worry).

But nah, not at any time has the school deep dived into the area of institutionalised racism enough that would make Plague Jnr think he gonna fix it by having a damn sit in. Ive actually been pretty impressed with the way the school has taught them about indigenous folk, and its def taught as 'history' rather than THE WHITEYS ARE STILL LASHING THEM AND RAPING THEIR SACRED ROCKS etc etc etc.

Plus the school hes at has every colour of kid under the sun so even 9 year olds would be able to tell the con of a school full of ethnics getting a good education is occurring in a country that hates anyone but the whities.

you're right, kids arent stupid, but this little 9 yr old in QLD sure seems like a sucker.

Dont think the education department are responsible for the indoctrination of this kid
If they were they would be taking ****ing credit for it that for sure

Would be the type of leftist clap trap they love to spruik so no way in the world are they missing the chance here to take the credit


It has obviously come from her lefty parents where her education on institutionalised racism in Oz has come from

Either that or she reading some pretty out there material for a 9 year old

[MFKS]

How good is ScoMo tweeting about Who ****ing tonight

Bloke is now a bigger moron than Trump

[Bon]

Thought I'd post this one here for you plague..
Someone has combined your two favourite things. Indie/folk music and Alex Jones rants..
Stay woke..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWd6XgBVIcg

[plague]

This Kavanaugh stuff going on ATM is the main reason a republic will never get off the ground in this country in the near future.
Imagine giving politicians even more power. good lawd.

[plague]

this George Pell stuff is pretty unsettling.

Seriously, **** Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt.

When Mark Latham is one of the most rational voices out there on an issue, you know we all need to take a step back.

Also, this suppression order bullshit to somehow protect 'prominent' people needs to be overhauled.
We seemed ready to set fire to that weirdo that raped the kid in the toilet a few months back without any due process, yet here they all are wanting to pump the brakes for a bloke convicted of the same crime.

burn the whole damn system, and throw the pedos and their sycophants on the pile while you're there.

[380]

The outcome was not of there liking so they go after the process. You would not have heard peep out of them if the verdict had gone the other way. On this issue Bolt , Jones and that even more irrelevant Miranda Devine are as transparent as a pane of glass.

They bang on all the time about respecting democracy and the institution of law yet the first sign of a judicial outcome they don't like they throw there toys out of there cots. With there antics on this topic they become more and more like the people they so frequently criticize.

[The Dunster]

So why aren't the government shutting down all catholic churches like they did when stories of sexually abused children surfaced in some remote Aboriginal areas ?

[plague]

So why aren't the government shutting down all catholic churches like they did when stories of sexually abused children surfaced in some remote Aboriginal areas ?

i dont ever think we should be shutting down places like that, freedom of religion is a pretty sacred thing to a lot of citizens. but still maintain that Govts shouldnt be treating them any differently than businesses, and certainly not supporting them.

id like to think though, now that we are locking up sacred cows like the clergy, may as well go throw a few bad apples in remote communities in the clink as well if they are beating up women and kids. we might be on the verge of actually punishing the criminals in our society*, instead of 'blaming' society for individuals ills.



















*sees outcome of banking royal commission...............oh **** it nevermind.

[The Dunster]

The Christian right hate the Aboriginal people because their very existence makes an absolute mockery of claims with respect to the earth being a mere six thousand years old.

George Pell will lose his freedom but he will never enter into general prison population and will be housed at one of the governments Club Pedo facilities to trade stories with other like minded oxygen thieves.

[MFKS]

this George Pell stuff is pretty unsettling.

Seriously, **** Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt.

When Mark Latham is one of the most rational voices out there on an issue, you know we all need to take a step back.

Also, this suppression order bullshit to somehow protect 'prominent' people needs to be overhauled.
We seemed ready to set fire to that weirdo that raped the kid in the toilet a few months back without any due process, yet here they all are wanting to pump the brakes for a bloke convicted of the same crime.

burn the whole damn system, and throw the pedos and their sycophants on the pile while you're there.

Probably more unsettling is the filth plenty of self righteous wankers are now preaching

Plenty of them probably should spend a bit less time wanting to judge others and leave that to god

If this decision on appeal gets overturned then the shit is gonna hit the fan OJ style

Being that the first trial was deadlocked dont be surprised if an appeal getts up

[Bon]

Probably more unsettling is the filth plenty of self righteous wankers are now preaching

Plenty of them probably should spend a bit less time wanting to judge others and leave that to god

Leave that to "god"??
The alleged entity that allowed the bloke that is 'third closest to him' to jam his phallus in a kids mouth?? Yeah, great idea..

[Premy]

What's all the fuss? It was just plain vanilla sexual penetration







Tongue firmly in cheek.

[pv4]

Probably more unsettling is the filth plenty of self righteous wankers are now preaching

Plenty of them probably should spend a bit less time wanting to judge others and leave that to god

If this decision on appeal gets overturned then the shit is gonna hit the fan OJ style

Being that the first trial was deadlocked dont be surprised if an appeal getts up

Whether an appeal gets up or not, the Christian Church in general has taken such a reputation hit here. I wonder what god will do about that.

[MFKS]

Whether an appeal gets up or not, the Christian Church in general has taken such a reputation hit here. I wonder what god will do about that.

Church has been taking hits for years

I sure they will survive

[MFKS]

Leave that to "god"??
The alleged entity that allowed the bloke that is 'third closest to him' to jam his phallus in a kids mouth?? Yeah, great idea..

God gives us free choice to do as we please

Pell will have his judgement when he faces him



My point being society could learn from the great book here and actually stop being so judgemental on others

The amount of pile on from our aethist bretheren in society has been cringe worthy to say the least

[Premy]

God gives us free choice to do as we please

Pell will have his judgement when he faces him



My point being society could learn from the great book here and actually stop being so judgemental on others

The amount of pile on from our aethist bretheren in society has been cringe worthy to say the least
Cool story, did the big imaginary sky dude tell you that?

[plague]

God gives us free choice to do as we please

Pell will have his judgement when he faces him

no. freedom of religion lets us believe who we want to believe and to live a life according to your particular rules.

thankfully though, the law of the land trumps any and all religious beliefs, so Pell had his judgement at the hands of a panel of his peers.

As of right now, he is a convicted criminal and should be jailed.
If, in the future the law of the land decides to rescind its decision, then good for him.

But George Pell is a paedophile, and should be treated as such. Yours, my, or anyone elses God cant reverse that, no matter how hard anyone wants to believe it.

[Bremsstrahlung]

God gives us free choice to do as we please

Pell will have his judgement when he faces him



My point being society could learn from the great book here and actually stop being so judgemental on others

The amount of pile on from our aethist bretheren in society has been cringe worthy to say the least

Hopefully the jury stop being so judgemental and realise that he didn’t break any of God’s rules/laws.
...


There’s plenty of paedophiles in society that are not Christian. But they are taking a hit, because he’s quite high up in the Church. Same as NRL takes a hit each week because their players do the wrong thing.
If they found a lot of teachers doing inappropriate thing, the profession would be scrutinised.
Same goes for any group, demographic or occupation.

I think the continued cover up and reluctance of any person in power to do anything about it is a disgrace. That’s the bigger issue and that’s why the organisation is taking most of the hit imo. Things happen, that’s on the individual. When things are not dealt with and allowed to continue, that’s on the organisation.

[MFKS]

no. freedom of religion lets us believe who we want to believe and to live a life according to your particular rules.

thankfully though, the law of the land trumps any and all religious beliefs, so Pell had his judgement at the hands of a panel of his peers.

As of right now, he is a convicted criminal and should be jailed.
If, in the future the law of the land decides to rescind its decision, then good for him.

But George Pell is a paedophile, and should be treated as such. Yours, my, or anyone elses God cant reverse that, no matter how hard anyone wants to believe it.

My point being is that being locked up in gaol aint gonna be his only punishment

God will be delivering something much more effective in the future

[Jetmaster]

No problem with anyone tried and convicted fairly getting their come uppance. But as far as I'm concerned that is the end of the story.

What irks me is the media play to heighten emotions and drag it out - the rabid scrums outside courts and endless questions that will not be answered, not to mention the tirades from members of the public who have nothing better to do than stand outside a courthouse and yell abuse. It is one of the reasons I no longer watch televised news.

Then there is the social media fallout and demand for more likes on an endless story to keep it in the public eye as long as possible.

[MFKS]

No problem with anyone tried and convicted fairly getting their come uppance. But as far as I'm concerned that is the end of the story.

What irks me is the media play to heighten emotions and drag it out - the rabid scrums outside courts and endless questions that will not be answered, not to mention the tirades from members of the public who have nothing better to do than stand outside a courthouse and yell abuse. It is one of the reasons I no longer watch televised news.

Then there is the social media fallout and demand for more likes on an endless story to keep it in the public eye as long as possible.

:thumbsup:

Will add rep

[plague]

No problem with anyone tried and convicted fairly getting their come uppance. But as far as I'm concerned that is the end of the story.

What irks me is the media play to heighten emotions and drag it out - the rabid scrums outside courts and endless questions that will not be answered, not to mention the tirades from members of the public who have nothing better to do than stand outside a courthouse and yell abuse. It is one of the reasons I no longer watch televised news.

Then there is the social media fallout and demand for more likes on an endless story to keep it in the public eye as long as possible.

so you dont watch post match shows after Jets games then?

[Jetmaster]

Nuh mate....live for the now. Haven't seen anything of the Adelaide game since final whistle blew.

Last night I did though...difference between getting more wound up to looking back at good moments.

[plague]

Michael Daley just said if he becomes Premier of NSW he'll sack Alan Jones and the entire SCG trust board.

I'll be voting Labor this state election.

I'll vote twice if he promises to sack the shitkhunt live on TV.



**** Alan Jones.

[pv4]

Are we Peta Credlin fans or hate her, where are we at team

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6011060807001

[MFKS]

Are we Peta Credlin fans or hate her, where are we at team

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6011060807001

She just on Liberal propoganda mode for the Election right now


No balance with Sky at all

They dont want ScoMo either but they wont ever plug Labor

[Macca]

I don't really know who she is so I don't really have an opinion on her. The name makes me think she was previously involved in politics, I feel like I've heard it somewhere.

Anyway I find the headline pretty funny, since my opinion would be the exact opposite - Labor are trash at politics but good at government. Majority of innovative and progressive/major policies I feel have come when Labor have been in government. Usually a bit rough around the edges, but the basis for really good, solid ideas are there.

Her "big policy" issues of border protection, national security (doesn't the government tell us these are essentially the same thing?) and "economic growth", I would also tend to disagree with pretty much everything the Libs have done on those issues in recent times.

So based on reading the article blurb, nah don't rate her.

[plague]

Are we Peta Credlin fans or hate her, where are we at team

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6011060807001

when she first came on TV i enjoyed listening to her as she was very analytical in explaining the way Parliament and politics really work.
She was also the reason why so many MP's hated Tony Abbott which means that if she managed to rile up a bunch of elitist old white dudes then im all up on her side.

she always seems to be very comfortable speaking her mind, not just blabbing on a party line.

to be fair, now that she has her own show I dont watch as one can only imagine its a pretty watered down version of her true self.

would def like to see more of her type of personality on the floor of Parliament though, not these quota filling stooges that keep getting put forward (FFS yes im looking at you Alexander Downers daughter).

[plague]

I don't really know who she is so I don't really have an opinion on her. The name makes me think she was previously involved in politics, I feel like I've heard it somewhere.


She was Tony Abbotts chief of staff.

[plague]

Majority of innovative and progressive/major policies I feel have come when Labor have been in government. Usually a bit rough around the edges, but the basis for really good, solid ideas are there.


im interested in what you are talking about here.
because imho, the 'big ideas' never usually come from Politicians, and the actual role of the pollies is to implement these big ideas, and im not sure anyone has a good track record there.

[The Dunster]

when she first came on TV i enjoyed listening to her as she was very analytical in explaining the way Parliament and politics really work.
She was also the reason why so many MP's hated Tony Abbott which means that if she managed to rile up a bunch of elitist old white dudes then im all up on her side.

she always seems to be very comfortable speaking her mind, not just blabbing on a party line.

to be fair, now that she has her own show I dont watch as one can only imagine its a pretty watered down version of her true self.

would def like to see more of her type of personality on the floor of Parliament though, not these quota filling stooges that keep getting put forward (FFS yes im looking at you Alexander Downers daughter).

Credlin is as dumb as a box of rocks Plague. Her hubby is the driving force behind every appointment she's ever been gifted.

[plague]

Credlin is as dumb as a box of rocks Plague.

being dumb as a box of rocks but having the ear of the PM in a very well paid role then turning it into a paid gig to talk on the telly?
and, by your description, getting someone else to do it all for her?

that aint dumb boss, that geenyus.

[The Dunster]

being dumb as a box of rocks but having the ear of the PM in a very well paid role then turning it into a paid gig to talk on the telly?
and, by your description, getting someone else to do it all for her?

that aint dumb boss, that geenyus.

You do know she was with Nelson when he was leader, hubby moved her to Turnbull camp, then from Turnbull camp to Abbott camp - then gonskis when she completely failed to manage the Abbott show. Abbot was a puppet for the Christian Right - not Credlin.

Basically, she's an albatross - wherever she goes failure results. nelson failed, Turnbull failed, and Abbott failed - all when she was working for them.

Hubby also got her a gig with Racing Victoria - probably responsible for Phar Laps death as well.

[Negative Police]

She just on Liberal propoganda mode for the Election right now

No balance with Sky at all

They dont want ScoMo either but they wont ever plug Labor

wow you found a conservative channel. great work. free to air is all leftard.

Best go back to them for your idealist/unrealist triggered propaganda. not saying that any politiking party is good either.

You all lose regardless. Be a diplomat, enjoy immunity

[plague]

You do know she was with Nelson when he was leader, hubby moved her to Turnbull camp, then from Turnbull camp to Abbott camp - then gonskis when she completely failed to manage the Abbott show. Abbot was a puppet for the Christian Right - not Credlin.

Basically, she's an albatross - wherever she goes failure results. nelson failed, Turnbull failed, and Abbott failed - all when she was working for them.

Hubby also got her a gig with Racing Victoria - probably responsible for Phar Laps death as well.



again, for someone as dumb as rocks, thats an impressive road trip shes on.
i mean, the Member seems like a graduate of Mensa and he seems to have only gotten as far as spouting shit on internet forums and being a spokesman for the Thailand Tourism Commission.

[The Dunster]

You don't need to be smart to make a fortune. All you need is to be ruthless with no regard for the welfare of others.

[Aegon]

Michael Daley just said if he becomes Premier of NSW he'll sack Alan Jones and the entire SCG trust board.

I'll be voting Labor this state election.

I'll vote twice if he promises to sack the shitkhunt live on TV.



**** Alan Jones.

Haha this page needs a "like" button. I'm a swing voter but a promise like this almost wins my vote straight up.

[Bon]

Wasn't sure where to put this, sounds absolutely horrible..
Mass shooting in NZ a few hours ago..

I've been following a text feed here:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2019/mar/15/christchurch-shooting-injuries-reported-as-police-respond-to-critical-incident-live

[plague]

yeah the scumbag livestreamed it apparently.

[plague]

wonder which one of the usual ****wits is gonna fall over themselves first to either declare how ashamed they are to be Australian, or to link this to Trump.

[The Dunster]

Well Trevor Chappell's finally off the hook in New Zealand I guess.

[plague]

Well Trevor Chappell's finally off the hook in New Zealand I guess.

Oh dear.

[MFKS]

What surprises me with all this is how shocked some people are about this

To be honest with all the anti Muslim feeling in the Western World for the last 20 years I am honestly surprised something like this hasnt happened sooner

Criticism of this religion has been off the table for so long it was only a matter of time before 1 nut case let their pent up frustration out in violence of a catastrophic level

Hopefully some good will come from this tragedy and some dialogue will take place on peoples differences but I doubt it will happen in this world of PC

[plague]

This Fraser Anning shit can't be legit though can it? Whoo boy, that dude be asking for trouble.

[boz-monaut]

what's that dickhead said now?

nut jobs like this are more likely to commit mass murder than the Muslim nut jobs they think are the problem

[boz-monaut]

it's ok, found this pile of bullshit

https://scontent.fsyd8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53918343_843832885958267_1205592299170430976_n.png ?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent.fsyd8-1.fna&oh=c068be6c4ff4d5b4633a9a1561828a3a&oe=5D20DF79

what a ****

[MFKS]

it's ok, found this pile of bullshit

https://scontent.fsyd8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53918343_843832885958267_1205592299170430976_n.png ?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent.fsyd8-1.fna&oh=c068be6c4ff4d5b4633a9a1561828a3a&oe=5D20DF79

what a ****
That nothing
His Twitter feed has a lot more triggering material

[plague]

yeah you gotta be all kinds of special for One Nation to ghost you.
I mean legit, the Governor General has the power to sack entire Governments, yet this asshole can hang on the public purse whatevs.

[plague]

ok, if theres anything that can be learned.
we are about to go through 2 elections over the next few months.
if you care, and if you get the chance, read up on not only your own preferred candidate, but understand where the preferences go once your vote gets cast.

this asshole didnt get in on a popular vote, but through a web of preference deals. now everyone gets to stand there and say we didnt vote for him, but in fact, we probably did.


**** this guy.

[boz-monaut]

calling his bullshit "triggering material" shows that you're actually a massive arsehole

[boz-monaut]

here's our glorious leader's attitude to muslim immigration

https://www.smh.com.au/national/morrison-sees-votes-in-anti-muslim-strategy-20110216-1awmo.html

this is what motivated him to "stop the boats"

[MFKS]

calling his bullshit "triggering material" shows that you're actually a massive arsehole

I think you find Fraser is just an opportunist stirring the pot to get a reaction right now

Judging by his twitter feed he getting the reaction he wants it would seem

[plague]

I think you find Fraser is just an opportunist stirring the pot to get a reaction right now

Judging by his twitter feed he getting the reaction he wants it would seem

not sure whats worse, some dolt actually thinking this is a correct attitude to have, or some dolt thinking this type of 'trolling' is a good way to get attention.

[Jetmaster]

Now this just an observation, nothing more....usually after one of these things in Europe or US, my social media fills up with tribute posts and comments. It is strangely silent today.

[MFKS]

Now this just an observation, nothing more....usually after one of these things in Europe or US, my social media fills up with tribute posts and comments. It is strangely silent today.

So being it is a Saturday you be waiting until work hours for it

[MFKS]

The interesting thing now will be how long it takes Liberals to use this as an election issue and how they twist it to fit the anti immigration narrative they spruik

[plague]

The interesting thing now will be how long it takes Liberals to use this as an election issue and how they twist it to fit the anti immigration narrative they spruik

Obviously already started if you've been sucked into believing it.

[Negative Police]

The interesting thing now will be how long it takes Liberals to use this as an election issue and how they twist it to fit the anti immigration narrative they spruik

Hey McFly! Labor Greens etc use similar tactics.

Politics is all about propaganda and deceit to get elected. Then theyll run the country best suited to themselves. Immigration needs control as do crims and their punishment. Some parties deal with this other dont care.

[plague]

Hey McFly! Labor Greens etc use similar tactics.

Politics is all about propaganda and deceit to get elected. Then theyll run the country best suited to themselves. Immigration needs control as do crims and their punishment. Some parties deal with this other dont care.

oldest trick in the book, if Team A promise 2000 more teachers but Team B promise 2001 teachers "TEAM A DOESNT CARE ABOUT EDUCATION".

I mean Shorten was there today at a hastily convened meeting of Middle Eastern looking folks offering up is prayers when out the front at a press conference he admonished that dickhead Anning for 'making it political'. yes, a man who has no authoritative office in Australian government used his position to put himself up as some sort of 'healer'. ALL THOSE DICKHEADS ARE MAKING IT POLITICAL.

A pox on all their houses.

Vote 1 Mark Latham.

[MFKS]

Hey McFly! Labor Greens etc use similar tactics.

Politics is all about propaganda and deceit to get elected. Then theyll run the country best suited to themselves. Immigration needs control as do crims and their punishment. Some parties deal with this other dont care.

It about the only chance Libs have of getting re elected though

They tgat bad they wont beat Shorten on merit

The ****ers been praying for some boats to turn up but this is their next best option

[Frodo]

https://youtu.be/-a4joBJMeao
First of all, nice work son. It'll cost you, but well done having the balls to do it.


But look at the pent up frustration in those incel ****s that follow Anning, how many full grown "men" does it take to hold a 17 yr old kid who isn't even struggling?? What a bunch of pussies.

[MFKS]

https://youtu.be/-a4joBJMeao
First of all, nice work son. It'll cost you, but well done having the balls to do it.


But look at the pent up frustration in those incel ****s that follow Anning, how many full grown "men" does it take to hold a 17 yr old kid who isn't even struggling?? What a bunch of pussies.

See the thing with this is it just shows the hypocrisy of the left in full display

Some one uses violence because someone has a view alternative to them

It actually no different than the nutjob in Christchurch

The irony of the lunatics cheering him on is also ironic

SYH has labelled the kid a hero for what ??
Theowing an egg over a politician who has views he dont agree with

Under that logic SYH should be expected to be receiving an omelette on a regular basis as well

[traffic light]

Get assaulted with egg, cop the flog. Sucked in young douche. Hope it happens more often. Regardless of the speech turn it off if you dont like it.

[Jetmaster]

Nobody is more vitriolic or abusive to someone who has a different opinion to them than a leftie.

[The Dunster]

Which political party in Australia represents the left ?

Anyone that says Greens or Labour has no ****ing idea.

[plague]

Nobody is more vitriolic or abusive to someone who has a different opinion to them than a leftie.

nah, dont get sucked into that.

all bigots are shitcunce.
**** em all.

[The Dunster]

Mike Tyson is a Muslim - would love to see this 19 vote piece of shit confront him face to face.

[plague]

and before all y'all start lauding Ardern as the Anti-Morrison, go have a look at her election platform.

yep, she argued for a huge reduction in immigration.
she loved using the term 'new zealand first', which as we all know, is soooooooooooooo much less racisty than 'make america great again'.
oh, and to get into power she had to do a deal with Winston Peters, and well, ill let you all go read up on him.


but of course, again, because one side gets to yell the loudest, Morrison is a racist for his immigration stance, whilst Ardern is a hero.


its almost as if politics is always about playing the (wo)man, not the ball.

funny that.

[q-money]

Nobody is more vitriolic or abusive to someone who has a different opinion to them than a leftie.

but they're just words mate, aren't the australian right the defenders of freedom of speech? harden up

it's a shame it was only an egg, a brick would have been better

[MFKS]

but they're just words mate, aren't the australian right the defenders of freedom of speech? harden up

it's a shame it was only an egg, a brick would have been better

Look at old mate egg thrower
Cant handle a few words being critical of Islam
That the left for you

Annings effort Friday was a weak arse troll effort that you score in negative numbers because it that poorly constructed

[q-money]

That the left for you
ah yes the brave australian right, with their outspoken dingo memes, perpetual victim mentality and access to high powered rifles to kill people for the lulz in new zealand

it's all fun and games until someone shoots up a mosque

[MFKS]

ah yes the brave australian right, with their outspoken dingo memes, perpetual victim mentality and access to high powered rifles to kill people for the lulz in new zealand

it's all fun and games until someone shoots up a mosque

Mosques and Churches are shot up everyweek around the world

The Australian Right have only been implicated in 1 so far

[q-money]

well you're on the scoreboard now, congratulations

[MFKS]

well you're on the scoreboard now, congratulations

Long way behind major religion our capitalist overlords and lefties favourite type of socialism the communists still

[Jetmaster]

Interesting view from someone on the left if you haven't seen it before.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

I like the crux of what he is saying though some would be offended.

I had to repost this from when Trump was elected as it is so good.....this guy nailed the whole left/right argument.

[Frodo]

See the thing with this is it just shows the hypocrisy of the left in full display

Some one uses violence because someone has a view alternative to them

It actually no different than the nutjob in Christchurch


Thanks for walking into that one.

You just called an egg into the hair of a fully grown man "Violence"! Just think about that for a second. You think that getting egg in the hair is violence? Hahahahaha.

You also compared the egg incident with the mosque attack like they are somehow on the same scale? Please stop, take a breath and think about what was lost in that attack and then revise your comments.


Also, and this is the best part. For everyone commenting on this. That kid is 17... He isn't Left, Right or Centred. He doesn't have an opinion on politics. He doesn't even know how to vote. At 17 I didn't even know all the political parties. He probably just thought "that guys a wank, I'm gonna get famous for 15 seconds", but don't let logic get in the way of anger and stupidity.

[plague]

it would have been interesting to see if some oil execs kid egged AOC for her stupidly stupid thoughts on the 'New Green Deal'.

i hate the thought of 'whataboutism', but its pretty clear the kid can be in the wrong AND a hero all at once.

Anning shouldnt be in Parliament with such a stupid voting system.
Anning shouldnt be saying that stupid shit he said.
Eggboy shouldnt be allowed to break eggs over the head of people he disagrees with.

Everyone 'supporting' Eggboy, did you think the student who confronted Chelsea Clinton at the NYC vigil was justified? Because the reaction to that has been real messy.

[The Dunster]

I had to repost this from when Trump was elected as it is so good.....this guy nailed the whole left/right argument.

Who are you calling the left ?

[The Dunster]

it would have been interesting to see if some oil execs kid egged AOC for her stupidly stupid thoughts on the 'New Green Deal'.

i hate the thought of 'whataboutism', but its pretty clear the kid can be in the wrong AND a hero all at once.

Anning shouldnt be in Parliament with such a stupid voting system.
Anning shouldnt be saying that stupid shit he said.
Eggboy shouldnt be allowed to break eggs over the head of people he disagrees with.

Everyone 'supporting' Eggboy, did you think the student who confronted Chelsea Clinton at the NYC vigil was justified? Because the reaction to that has been real messy.

17 year old kid is a dickhead.
Anning justified to get one shot at him of equal value - but not a 2nd and certainly not one of greater force than the egg.
Annings Gestapo though should have the book thrown at them. Nothing to do with them. There was absolutely no threat to Anning when they jumped the kid.

Did I say how much of a dickhead the 17 year old kid was ? He's not the future and if he is then the zombie apocalypse can't get here soon enough.

[plague]

Annings Gestapo though should have the book thrown at them.

totally agree here, if the 17yr old was committing a 'violent' act then these Lonsdale wearing clowns deserve no mercy.

[Frodo]

17 year old kid is a dickhead.
Anning justified to get one shot at him of equal value - but not a 2nd and certainly not one of greater force than the egg.
Annings Gestapo though should have the book thrown at them. Nothing to do with them. There was absolutely no threat to Anning when they jumped the kid.

Did I say how much of a dickhead the 17 year old kid was ? He's not the future and if he is then the zombie apocalypse can't get here soon enough.

Don't forget that when he is on the ground Anning aims a kick at the subdued kid but gets shoved away by another guy.

[The Dunster]

Don't forget that when he is on the ground Anning aims a kick at the subdued kid but gets shoved away by another guy.

I'm not surprised.

[The Dunster]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-18/hanson-anning-censure-vote-hinch-faruqi-christchurch-attack/10910708

Pauline Hanson abstaining from vote to censure Anning.

What a piss weak excuse for a human that piece of shit is.

[plague]

actually an interesting sidenote to all this is that the pollies are all now pointing their venom at 'the social medias'.
Somehow implying that Facebook/twitter etc have a fair proportion of blame for letting it be livestreamed, and for distributing anti immigration materials.

id call it a bit of a reach, but jeez, thats an understatement.

[plague]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-18/hanson-anning-censure-vote-hinch-faruqi-christchurch-attack/10910708

Pauline Hanson abstaining from vote to censure Anning.

What a piss weak excuse for a human that piece of shit is.

she has to on principal. she is in a no win situation. she is either for free speech, or against it. she sprob the only honest one there that is 'trying' to maintain a position.

these gutless Pollies are standing behind an inneffective motion in order to express their 'outrage'.
no doubt then they'll all go out the front and light a candle for the victims and all will be tied up in a little bow.
instead of yanno, fixing the system that puts shitkhunts like Anning in Parliament in the first place.

[plague]

The Houses of Parliament cannot expel a politician for their behaviour, but they can be disqualified if they are convicted of offences punishable by imprisonment for a year or longer.

so the play is to go after the assault angle on the kid.
Morrison was the only one to even hint at it when he said he 'hopes the full force of the law comes down on him (Anning)'.

The rest are just posturing, then will be back in his office next week doing deals to get votes through Parliament.

Pollies dont care about any of this, they just want to be 'seen' to care.
Hansons morals are shit, but she seems to be one of the only ones in there with any code.

[The Dunster]

she has to on principal. she is in a no win situation. she is either for free speech, or against it. she sprob the only honest one there that is 'trying' to maintain a position.

these gutless Pollies are standing behind an inneffective motion in order to express their 'outrage'.
no doubt then they'll all go out the front and light a candle for the victims and all will be tied up in a little bow.
instead of yanno, fixing the system that puts shitkhunts like Anning in Parliament in the first place.

Exactly right. About the system being farked.

Bloke comes from a family that openly hunted and slaughtered aboriginal people, captured young aboriginal boys to use as slave labour - and unlike the rest of Australia seems to refer to it as the good old days.

Then you have a list of legal issues as well including bankruptcy proceedings ......

He's not fit to run a chook raffle.

[MFKS]

actually an interesting sidenote to all this is that the pollies are all now pointing their venom at 'the social medias'.
Somehow implying that Facebook/twitter etc have a fair proportion of blame for letting it be livestreamed, and for distributing anti immigration materials.

id call it a bit of a reach, but jeez, thats an understatement.

**** me Plague

They just peddling the lets use this to cripple the peoples freedoms and give the state more control.angle

No way they aint gonna pass up this opportunity to scrw the public over

[Frodo]

so the play is to go after the assault angle on the kid.
Morrison was the only one to even hint at it when he said he 'hopes the full force of the law comes down on him (Anning)'.

The rest are just posturing, then will be back in his office next week doing deals to get votes through Parliament.

Pollies dont care about any of this, they just want to be 'seen' to care.
Hansons morals are shit, but she seems to be one of the only ones in there with any code.

None of the big guns want him removed. He is just taking all the attention away so they can do/say whatever they want without fear. Scott Morrison must have jizzed his pants when he woke up to Annings shit show the other day.

[plague]

**** me Plague

They just peddling the lets use this to cripple the peoples freedoms and give the state more control.angle

No way they aint gonna pass up this opportunity to scrw the public over

huh?

you know you dont 'have' to be on Facebook right?

theres a pretty cool world out there without it.
also, if you are somehow on facebook and find yourself being 'flooded' with racism/prejudice material. maybe go look at who you're 'friends' with.

[The Dunster]

**** me Plague

They just peddling the lets use this to cripple the peoples freedoms and give the state more control.angle

No way they aint gonna pass up this opportunity to scrw the public over

Considering the State is run by the Right I thought more state control would please you Member.

[MFKS]

Thanks for walking into that one.

You just called an egg into the hair of a fully grown man "Violence"! Just think about that for a second. You think that getting egg in the hair is violence? Hahahahaha.

You also compared the egg incident with the mosque attack like they are somehow on the same scale? Please stop, take a breath and think about what was lost in that attack and then revise your comments.


Also, and this is the best part. For everyone commenting on this. That kid is 17... He isn't Left, Right or Centred. He doesn't have an opinion on politics. He doesn't even know how to vote. At 17 I didn't even know all the political parties. He probably just thought "that guys a wank, I'm gonna get famous for 15 seconds", but don't let logic get in the way of anger and stupidity.

Walked into what??

That you want to debate whether smashing an egg over someone is violence is showcasing societies grip on logic

As for the kid not having a political opinion because of his age

FMD
By smashing an egg over Annings head before TV cameras whilst filming it what was he doing ??
That aint the actions of someone who has no interest in political views

The kid is an idiot
His effort has switched the debates off what need to be debated to other BS
to do with the Egging incident

A real adult discussion needs to be taking place and we have it derailed by idiots looking to point score about egging

[plague]

None of the big guns want him removed.

nah, i think they'd be more than happy to exist in a world without Anning.
and to be fair, Shorten is gonna use this to his advantage just as much as Morrison, ad just as much as the Greens. because they are all the same.

[MFKS]

Considering the State is run by the Right I thought more state control would please you Member.

What makes you think I am interested in a reduction in free speech

It the left driving that stuff

[MFKS]

huh?

you know you dont 'have' to be on Facebook right?

theres a pretty cool world out there without it.
also, if you are somehow on facebook and find yourself being 'flooded' with racism/prejudice material. maybe go look at who you're 'friends' with.

I know that

I can though take others opinion I dont agree with

It the snowflakes who cant handle the opinions of Anning Milo Shapiro Candace and co without having a meltdown that are the ones who need to accept this message you are spruiking

[Frodo]

nah, i think they'd be more than happy to exist in a world without Anning.
and to be fair, Shorten is gonna use this to his advantage just as much as Morrison, ad just as much as the Greens. because they are all the same.

I only specified Scomo since he is PM. Shorten would be loving it just as much. All

[Macca]

I know that

I can though take others opinion I dont agree with

It the snowflakes who cant handle the opinions of Anning Milo Shapiro Candace and co without having a meltdown that are the ones who need to accept this message you are spruiking

Social media has screwed the world over by giving idiots a platform to spread their idiocy and have it actually gain traction.

Free speech is fine and dandy, but some things are simply wrong, and you can't just say "Well that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it, stop suppressing my freedom!" as a defense.

The world was a much better place when 99% of people didn't care about politics. Now the vast majority are polarized and have their blinkers on and shut out anything that doesn't suit their already entrenched (regardless of merit) views on things. Instead of being ignorant and apathetic, they are now ignorant and angrily shouting from the rooftops.

Shit is ****ed. I tend to not care too much about politics, because honestly if I take the time to think and care about it it just makes me too angry.

[Frodo]

Walked into what??

That you want to debate whether smashing an egg over someone is violence is showcasing societies grip on logic


Soooooooo, you were the one who compared them in the first place. Nice logic there Member. Move on before you actually say something of substance.

[Frodo]

Social media has screwed the world over by giving idiots a platform to spread their idiocy and have it actually gain traction.

Free speech is fine and dandy, but some things are simply wrong, and you can't just say "Well that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it, stop suppressing my freedom!" as a defense.

The world was a much better place when 99% of people didn't care about politics. Now the vast majority are polarized and have their blinkers on and shut out anything that doesn't suit their already entrenched (regardless of merit) views on things. Instead of being ignorant and apathetic, they are now ignorant and angrily shouting from the rooftops.

Shit is ****ed. I tend to not care too much about politics, because honestly if I take the time to think and care about it it just makes me too angry.

Idiots have found it easy to go online, find a group of people with a common interest and then they just pat each other on the back and justify any stupid thought that comes into their heads and onto a keyboard. (This forum is totally different)

But it means that everyone from Anti-Vaxxers, Racists, Furries, swingers, conspiracy theorists, etc have a safe place to convince each other that they are the normal ones and everyone else is wrong.

Fear is a terribly powerful emotion. Much more so than Love.

[Macca]

Anti-vaxxers was the first thing on my mind as well. But there's so many examples. So so dumb.

[q-money]

leave the furries out of this

[MFKS]

Social media has screwed the world over by giving idiots a platform to spread their idiocy and have it actually gain traction.

Free speech is fine and dandy, but some things are simply wrong, and you can't just say "Well that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it, stop suppressing my freedom!" as a defense.

The world was a much better place when 99% of people didn't care about politics. Now the vast majority are polarized and have their blinkers on and shut out anything that doesn't suit their already entrenched (regardless of merit) views on things. Instead of being ignorant and apathetic, they are now ignorant and angrily shouting from the rooftops.

Shit is ****ed. I tend to not care too much about politics, because honestly if I take the time to think and care about it it just makes me too angry.

Free Speech is fine

Yes it gives the idiots a platform to spread their idiocy

That is why we have 73 different genders when thete is only actually 2

But it also gives everyone else the platform to criticise them

Free Speech is fine and dandy and everyone is entitled to it
More good comes out of freedom of speech in our society than the bad from freedom of speech
Freedom of speech actually allows all the opportunity to change their circumstances in life

There is also no such thing as hate speech in any way
It is speech. If you find it offensive this is irrelevant. Others dont and you dont get to personally define what is offensive

Problem is we have many lunatics out there in society are happy to hand over freedom to censor speech to a government

****ing idiots the lot of them. Fancy want to let a government led by ****wits like ScoMo or Abbott or Rudd or Turnbull or the soon to be PM Shorten the freedom to censor what ypu can say or think

Political Correctness is just Cultural Marxism deployed by the left trying to suppress debate and thought with bullying tactics

[MFKS]

Soooooooo, you were the one who compared them in the first place. Nice logic there Member. Move on before you actually say something of substance.

I aint moved on

You made a point

I made a point

You made a point

I made another reiteration on the point

If you want to keep this going it up to you now to contribute something

That how it works

[plague]

There is also no such thing as hate speech in any way
It is speech. If you find it offensive this is irrelevant. Others dont and you dont get to personally define what is offensive

well defamation laws may allow you to say whatever you want, but there are consequences for being loud wrong.






but back to something you mentioned earlier, and to be honest its baffled me this whole time.

the implication of Candace Owens in all this. everything I've ever heard from her has been pretty tame. she is def 'pro' African American, and Anti-Democrat, but is she 'Anti white Guy' or anything that would put her in the 'hate speech' category?

[MFKS]

well defamation laws may allow you to say whatever you want, but there are consequences for being loud wrong.






but back to something you mentioned earlier, and to be honest its baffled me this whole time.

the implication of Candace Owens in all this. everything I've ever heard from her has been pretty tame. she is def 'pro' African American, and Anti-Democrat, but is she 'Anti white Guy' or anything that would put her in the 'hate speech' category?

As for defemation laws
Who did Anning defame with his "Hate Speech "rants??

A religion at best as it wasnt an individual

He 1st up criticised Muslim immigration policies and then he went onto be critical of a religion that has 1400 years of history of conflict around the world.

Plenty disagree with his views
They are entitled to do so

If that is hate speech then you are bound to be holding everyone to account for anything said about Christians / Catholics after Pell got sent down

Just as you be bound to be holding everyone to account who makes criticism of Jewish people


As for Candace Owens she is a danger to the establishment because she is just the type to indocrinate the people with a little thing called common sense. She is one smart women and they hate that. She speaks so much common sense she is a threat as she likely to effect the Black vote to go to Trump as she calling out the Democratic Party for 50 years of failing to do anything for Black people but lead them into a hole

You can see how much the left have had a go at her they labelled her a Nazi as she was asked about an opinion on Nationalism and she used an example of Hitler to show Nationalism

How that makes a black women a Nazi because she used Hitler as an example to talk about Nationalism shows how much of a bunch of weak ****s the left are

By the way thats defamation

[MFKS]

https://youtu.be/L7sDTIgNvi0

There is what make Candace is a Nazi line came from

[plague]

As for defemation laws
Who did Anning defame with his "Hate Speech "rants??


no, i wasnt talking about Anning, more so this line from you

Yes it gives the idiots a platform to spread their idiocy.
Im fine with idiots being idiots, but there are 'some' rules around saying things that are wrong.
Its why Alan Jones deserved to get sued by the Wagner family. He said things that were factually incorrect.
Now, i agree that the line of 'factually incorrect' can be applied to pretty much every hot topic like immigration, climate change and nationalism. im happy for all sides to have their say and make their point.

but they need to come correct, and thats not a terrible thing to expect.

[MFKS]

no, i wasnt talking about Anning, more so this line from you
.
Im fine with idiots being idiots, but there are 'some' rules around saying things that are wrong.
Its why Alan Jones deserved to get sued by the Wagner family. He said things that were factually incorrect.
Now, i agree that the line of 'factually incorrect' can be applied to pretty much every hot topic like immigration, climate change and nationalism. im happy for all sides to have their say and make their point.

but they need to come correct, and thats not a terrible thing to expect.

No doubt it has to be true. If you tell lies you gonna get sued

If you want to get technical a lot of what Anning said is technically factually correct in his statements. There are some inflammatory generalisations in there sure but by and large his statements are not lies

He hasnt called to action anything in his press release just stated stuff that people dont want to hear

[traffic light]

Thanks for walking into that one.

You just called an egg into the hair of a fully grown man "Violence"! Just think about that for a second. You think that getting egg in the hair is violence? Hahahahaha.

You also compared the egg incident with the mosque attack like they are somehow on the same scale? Please stop, take a breath and think about what was lost in that attack and then revise your comments.


Also, and this is the best part. For everyone commenting on this. That kid is 17... He isn't Left, Right or Centred. He doesn't have an opinion on politics. He doesn't even know how to vote. At 17 I didn't even know all the political parties. He probably just thought "that guys a wank, I'm gonna get famous for 15 seconds", but don't let logic get in the way of anger and stupidity.

So if an egg isnt an assault neither is spitting or other objects being thrown at you.

You're one of those outraged fktards that whinge only when its against one of your ideals.

Regardless how stupid the statements you dont do that but lets see how you go happy clapper when it happens to you or your family.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Feel like the NZ PM has been doing a great job in the aftermath of such a tragedy.

[boz-monaut]

that's pretty much the consensus on the entire planet

class act all the way

[plague]

that's pretty much the consensus on the entire planet

class act all the way

i wholeheartedly agree.
and we all ALWAYS praised Obama for his speeches after big events too.




but


shes got the tough road ahead now. the gun laws are gonna be her moment. i honestly believe lots and lots and lots of folks changed votes to John Howard based on his stance on Port Arthur alone.
if she 'actually' gets change in her countries' laws in such a monumental way, it will be the stuff that real leaders are made of.
hate on policy all you want, but give me a leader with the balls to take on the biggest of issues. ill vote for you every time.

[MFKS]

i wholeheartedly agree.
and we all ALWAYS praised Obama for his speeches after big events too.




but


shes got the tough road ahead now. the gun laws are gonna be her moment. i honestly believe lots and lots and lots of folks changed votes to John Howard based on his stance on Port Arthur alone.
if she 'actually' gets change in her countries' laws in such a monumental way, it will be the stuff that real leaders are made of.
hate on policy all you want, but give me a leader with the balls to take on the biggest of issues. ill vote for you every time.

She is a shoe in to get reelected

Any big tragedy that besets a nation and as long as the PM or President doesnt balls it up then they getting reelected

FFS if that had of been Oz and that was ScoMo he would get re elected in May on the back of it assuming he didnt be ScoMo and someone put a gag on him

[pv4]

hate on policy all you want, but give me a leader with the balls to take on the biggest of issues. ill vote for you every time.

preach

[plague]

Any big tragedy that besets a nation and as long as the PM or President doesnt balls it up then they getting reelected



like the French.
Whoever is in charge in always seems to cock these things up big time.

[boz-monaut]

which is why Labor agreed to the bullshit intrusive surveillance laws late last year

the threat of something happening before May is high, they can't be seen to have hindered surveillance in any way otherwise your Duttons and ScoMos will jump on them were something to happen

Christchurch will have knocked a fair bit of wind out of their fear-of-brown-people rhetoric though

still time for more boats to arrive

[plague]

which is why Labor agreed to the bullshit intrusive surveillance laws late last year



This is the part where I'm really sympathetic towards politicians.

Everyone has been pointing fingers at them, and 'the social medias' for not stopping this lunatic, and for letting hate breed on the Interwebs.

But they come up with what they believe to be measures that will help and everyone is like "Oh hell nawwww".

If someone at ASIO wants to take the time and effort to go through my browser history in the hope of preventing a terror attack then fine. All they'll find is one entry into my search engine 'Hutcho crying'.

That's it.

[The Dunster]

Politicians do as they are told - few of them throughout history have ever been the ones actually calling the shots.
The politicians that do call the shots we refer to as dictators.

The only exception I can think of in the last 50 years has been Whitlam. The Union movement hated him as did the conservatives and the majority of the Labour Party.

All the others have pretty much been puppets for the plutocrats.

[traffic light]

This is the part where I'm really sympathetic towards politicians.

Everyone has been pointing fingers at them, and 'the social medias' for not stopping this lunatic, and for letting hate breed on the Interwebs.

But they come up with what they believe to be measures that will help and everyone is like "Oh hell nawwww".

If someone at ASIO wants to take the time and effort to go through my browser history in the hope of preventing a terror attack then fine. All they'll find is one entry into my search engine 'Hutcho crying'.

That's it.

They've already been there. And would have done it before new security laws.

So when does everyone have to go for their new dna swab? Fair few ex?crims being caught out with this.

[plague]

They've already been there. And would have done it before new security laws.


well thats another discussion altogether, it just makes me giggle that people out there think that their private lives are actually that.

my point is that we have all the powers to solve a crime, yet the second they want to try and 'prevent' a crime, then people out there worried about getting busted searching for cat porn*.








*all the while uploading every single facet of their lives onto social media for everyone to see anyway. dopes.

[MFKS]

This is the part where I'm really sympathetic towards politicians.

Everyone has been pointing fingers at them, and 'the social medias' for not stopping this lunatic, and for letting hate breed on the Interwebs.

But they come up with what they believe to be measures that will help and everyone is like "Oh hell nawwww".

If someone at ASIO wants to take the time and effort to go through my browser history in the hope of preventing a terror attack then fine. All they'll find is one entry into my search engine 'Hutcho crying'.

That's it.

But those pointing their fingers at the politicians and the social media companies are clueless as they are the least of our problems



We have an 18 year old in NZ up for 14 years for sharing a video of last Friday

We have a journo in UK in strife with the police for mis gendering someone who is apparently now claiming they are not a male despite being born as a male

We have Cambridge University the great bastian of alleged intelllect banning Jordan Peterson withdrawing their offer of fellowship to the academic because the leftists at the campus had a sook instead of dealing with his opinions (Which they cant as he is smarter than them )

Great world we seem to be living in

Society is being ****ed over by idiots on a daily basis and nut jobs going to mosques seem to be the least of our worries

[Frodo]

Society is being ****ed over by idiots on a daily basis and nut jobs going to mosques seem to be the least of our worries

Yeah, i think 49 people being killed is a lot worse than you getting offended by some bullshit you read online. Society isn't getting ****ed, it's just a never ending shit show of snowflakes getting offended by snowflakes who get offended when the snowflakes they offended get offended by them. You can decide which snowflake you are in this scenario but it's all the same bullshit with different colour hats/profile pictures.

Step back, take a look at the world and realise that the big picture is pretty good right now. We just need to get through this batch of "head in the sand* politicians and then there will be a new set of issues that will slowly be dealt with.

[plague]

Step back, take a look at the world and realise that the big picture is pretty good right now.

aaaaaannnnnnnnnnnddddddd you're more than welcome to thank him for it.
https://media1.giphy.com/media/l2JhIUyUs8KDCCf3W/200.webp?cid=3640f6095c93f6b6644b435341209f42

[Frodo]

aaaaaannnnnnnnnnnddddddd you're more than welcome to thank him for it.
https://media1.giphy.com/media/l2JhIUyUs8KDCCf3W/200.webp?cid=3640f6095c93f6b6644b435341209f42


Ooof. Can't even laugh at that because he's so dumb, if he could read this he would think you are being sincere.

The only good thing about Trumpfs presidency is that everyone now knows the POTUS is only a figure head and has no real power.

[plague]

Ooof. Can't even laugh at that because he's so dumb, if he could read this he would think you are being sincere.


I love how people think that Trump got there because he is dumb.
Getting to be President of the USA as an outsider despite 'everyone' thinking youre a dope.
Nah man, that's brilliance if ever I've seen it.



But yeah, you are right about the amount of 'power' they have.

It's just always funny that despite all of them being the same, people look back at the jobs Clinton, Bush and Obama did with waaaaaaaaayyyyyyy different memories.

[MFKS]

Yeah, i think 49 people being killed is a lot worse than you getting offended by some bullshit you read online. Society isn't getting ****ed, it's just a never ending shit show of snowflakes getting offended by snowflakes who get offended when the snowflakes they offended get offended by them. You can decide which snowflake you are in this scenario but it's all the same bullshit with different colour hats/profile pictures.

Step back, take a look at the world and realise that the big picture is pretty good right now. We just need to get through this batch of "head in the sand* politicians and then there will be a new set of issues that will slowly be dealt with.

World is quite good now??

If anything the last week will have only further empowered the far left and far right even more

Elections are on tomorrow and in 2 months.

I backing One Nations vote will go up rather than down

Western Civilization is on the downward spiral and it really only a matter of relevance to us if the shitfest actually lasts long enough that we live long enough before the wheels really come off

[plague]

I backing One Nations vote will go up rather than down


this will be a very interesting part of the election.
because Latham has def given them a boost and legitimised a bunch of policy*.

also no surprise that Pauline hasnt been showing her face down these parts.
if One Nation had better salespeople their party might be a proper force in the political arena.












*a lot of the policy that Latham is spruiking with One Nation is the same stuff he was selling back when he was the wannabe PM.

[plague]

World is quite good now??


you are saying this as if Griff doesnt bless you with his awesomeness on the reg.

shame on you for not revelling in His glory.

Hail Griff.

[The Dunster]

But those pointing their fingers at the politicians and the social media companies are clueless as they are the least of our problems



We have an 18 year old in NZ up for 14 years for sharing a video of last Friday

We have a journo in UK in strife with the police for mis gendering someone who is apparently now claiming they are not a male despite being born as a male

We have Cambridge University the great bastian of alleged intelllect banning Jordan Peterson withdrawing their offer of fellowship to the academic because the leftists at the campus had a sook instead of dealing with his opinions (Which they cant as he is smarter than them )

Great world we seem to be living in

Society is being ****ed over by idiots on a daily basis and nut jobs going to mosques seem to be the least of our worries

You don't know anything about Cambridge member. Firstly, it consists of many different colleges - it's not a single campus as you seem to think.

Peterson requested a visiting Fellowship - it was never offered to him prior to his request to visit. People far more intelligent than Peterson have been refused Fellowships to Colleges of Cambridge - Augustus De Morgan, George Green... these blokes dropped turds with higher IQ's than Peterson.

It's only been in recent times that married men were allowed to accept fellowships from the majority of colleges at Cambridge - which you don't seem to know consists of many different colleges.

The major colleges of Cambridge such as Trinity, Gonville and Caius, Peterhouse, Kings, and so on have a long history of being religiously rigorous to say the least - and far from left wing.

In fact, the colleges of Cambridge were among the last in England to accept Dissenters - most of them instead taking up positions at University College in London.

[MFKS]

You don't know anything about Cambridge member. Firstly, it consists of many different colleges - it's not a single campus as you seem to think.

Peterson requested a visiting Fellowship - it was never offered to him prior to his request to visit. People far more intelligent than Peterson have been refused Fellowships to Colleges of Cambridge - Augustus De Morgan, George Green... these blokes dropped turds with higher IQ's than Peterson.

It's only been in recent times that married men were allowed to accept fellowships from the majority of colleges at Cambridge - which you don't seem to know consists of many different colleges.

The major colleges of Cambridge such as Trinity, Gonville and Caius, Peterhouse, Kings, and so on have a long history of being religiously rigorous to say the least - and far from left wing.

In fact, the colleges of Cambridge were among the last in England to accept Dissenters - most of them instead taking up positions at University College in London.

They offered it to him and it was going ahead

Their choice

Then they rescinded the offer after complaints from leftards

Just the usual BS where the left try silencing the likes of Shapiro Owens Milo Peterson etc with bullying and censoring tactics
Not the first time and wont be the last

Peterson is a bizarre one as he isnt really that much of a threat to them with the subjects he touches staying well clear of race or religion unlike the others who do get more involved in that

Just to show how ****ed up things are the Kiwis have withdrawn access to his book 12 Rules for Life a self help type book for **** knows what legitimate reason

Strange thing to do after the Christchurch incident

Same group though who have withdrawn his book from sale are still currently selling Hitlers book Mein Kampf so the hypocrisy is bizarre

[belchardo]

Looks like the libs are back in.

[plague]

Looks like the libs are back in.

Michael Daleys last 7 days couldnt have been any worse.

All they needed was a warm body who didnt cock things up and they would have won.

Tells you how much the country hates the Libs federally when they about to elect the equally stinky Shorten as PM.

[belchardo]

Michael Daleys last 7 days couldnt have been any worse.

All they needed was a warm body who didnt cock things up and they would have won.

Tells you how much the country hates the Libs federally when they about to elect the equally stinky Shorten as PM.

Who is michael daley? Michael mccormack is more recognisable than him.

[The Dunster]

They offered it to him and it was going ahead

Their choice

Then they rescinded the offer after complaints from leftards

Just the usual BS where the left try silencing the likes of Shapiro Owens Milo Peterson etc with bullying and censoring tactics
Not the first time and wont be the last

Peterson is a bizarre one as he isnt really that much of a threat to them with the subjects he touches staying well clear of race or religion unlike the others who do get more involved in that

Just to show how ****ed up things are the Kiwis have withdrawn access to his book 12 Rules for Life a self help type book for **** knows what legitimate reason

Strange thing to do after the Christchurch incident

Same group though who have withdrawn his book from sale are still currently selling Hitlers book Mein Kampf so the hypocrisy is bizarre

Who is "they" member? Which college?

[Couscous]

Congratulations, Gladys.

It's a shame your government is sh|t.

[The Dunster]

What's ScoMo paying for the win. I'll be backing him like there's no tomorrow.

[Jetmaster]

The pork barrelling and lack of sincerity from both the majors is amateur hour stuff.
Can't be arsed with either of them any more. Griff help us all.

[380]

What's ScoMo paying for the win. I'll be backing him like there's no tomorrow.

ScoMo has buckleys on federal issues.

[MFKS]

Who is "they" member? Which college?

Does it really matter which one it was??

Reality is they have reneged thanks to being weak to leftist agenda

[MFKS]

More importantly how good is it we got 8 years of Mark Latham??

Best thing ever

After years of the bullshit from the leftists trying to shut down speech and ideas, intimidate, use violence and outright lies to manipulate things unoppsed I consider this such a great gift from the right the leftist SJWs

All the while the right are pissing themselves laughing about the leftists rage


Wont be anything on 2020 when Trump gets reelected though

[The Dunster]

More importantly how good is it we got 8 years of Mark Latham??

Best thing ever

After years of the bullshit from the leftists trying to shut down speech and ideas, intimidate, use violence and outright lies to manipulate things unoppsed I consider this such a great gift from the right the leftist SJWs

All the while the right are pissing themselves laughing about the leftists rage


Wont be anything on 2020 when Trump gets reelected though

What ideas member ? The conservatives haven't come up with anything new since Jeremy Bentham died - and most of his idea were bastardised from the old testament.

Also I might add, were it not for the left you wouldn't even have elections in the first place.
Conservatives fought long and hard to prevent the masses from voting by placing barriers based on race, gender, and socioeconomic status.

Economically the conservatives have a logically inconsistent rhetoric based upon the corn models used by David Ricardo and his followers in the first decade of the 19th Century. It's comical to say the least.

[The Dunster]

Does it really matter which one it was??

Reality is they have reneged thanks to being weak to leftist agenda

It's the Faculty of Divinity. In football terms it's essentially the u9 girls team that hasn't won a match for three seasons.

The facts are the only school considering offering him a visiting fellowship was one of the least influential, smallest, and generally piss poor.

You have made out like his application was rejected by one of the major schools which clearly is not the case. None of the major schools of any Cambridge college would even consider him - because he's not academically important. He never has been and he never will be.

Hence, why his key audience is uneducated mongs more so than academics or anyone of genuine influence.

Also, the reason Hitler's Mein Kampf exists in libraries of major universities is that it is culturally and historically significant.

If Peterson was historically or academically significant he'd be afforded the same treatment. At this point in time he's not in the race.

[plague]

well well well.

No collusion.

Another victory for the President.


although does this mean the pee tape is #fakenews too?

[The Dunster]

George W Bush is the only US President of the past 60 years I'd want to hang out with. Sure he made a few mistakes along the way but he's a bit of a character and would be
a lot of laughs.

Obama is little more than a used car salesman, Trump is just dead fcking boring and an absolutely horrible person no matter what angle you view him.

[traffic light]

George W Bush is the only US President of the past 60 years I'd want to hang out with. Sure he made a few mistakes along the way but he's a bit of a character and would be
a lot of laughs.

Obama is little more than a used car salesman, Trump is just dead fcking boring and an absolutely horrible person no matter what angle you view him.

Obummer was all about image. He did try some nice stuff. Obumma care etc.

Trump is a ruthless hound. Bluntly goes after what ever he thinks is right for US and no doubt himself. Has n. o societal filter for any speech. Some of the people he offends are morons anyway. Lets see how he fares through this recession.

[traffic light]

What ideas member ? The conservatives haven't come up with anything new since Jeremy Bentham died - and most of his idea were bastardised from the old testament.

Also I might add, were it not for the left you wouldn't even have elections in the first place.
Conservatives fought long and hard to prevent the masses from voting by placing barriers based on race, gender, and socioeconomic status.

Economically the conservatives have a logically inconsistent rhetoric based upon the corn models used by David Ricardo and his followers in the first decade of the 19th Century. It's comical to say the least.

Nah thats the working left.

The new age left want men extinct and think that theyre football is elite. They want all jobs on a platter and cant tolerate being born a gender.

[pv4]

Some of the people he offends are morons anyway.

Preach

[Frodo]

Obummer was all about image. He did try some nice stuff. Obumma care etc.

Trump is a ruthless hound. Bluntly goes after what ever he thinks is right for US and no doubt himself. Has n. o societal filter for any speech. Some of the people he offends are morons anyway. Lets see how he fares through this recession.

He goes after the unachievable, gets knocked back, blames someone else and the country stands still whilst nothing gets done. He can't be blamed for it going wrong of he doesn't do anything. Makes perfect sense for any publicity stunt that has gotten bigger than it should have, like this one has.


Trump has two positives.

One, he has finally gotten it through to the US people that they need to get out and vote more.

Two, it's finally common knowledge that the POTUS has little to no actual power to make things happen. He's a spokesperson and nothing more.

[Frodo]

Nah thats the working left.

The new age left want men extinct and think that theyre football is elite. They want all jobs on a platter and cant tolerate being born a gender.

Men extinct? Quality trolling there. Go smack your wife/girlfriend a few more times cause the TV remote has been lost for 30 seconds and you never learnt how to deal with your emotions properly. Like a real man!

[pv4]

Two, it's finally common knowledge that the POTUS has little to no actual power to make things happen. He's a spokesperson and nothing more.

So why so much butthurt from so many people about him?

[Macca]

So why so much butthurt from so many people about him?

Would you want him as PM of Aus?

edit: On second thought. Pretty dumb question. We survived Abbott.

[Frodo]

So why so much butthurt from so many people about him?

Because Americans don't like to look weak. They liked to think they had a tough all-powerful leader without all the bad stuff of a dictatorship. They want a Putin but still want to be able to finger each other's buttholes without being sent to the Gulag.

I just like to remind anyone that thinks he's doing a good job that he's a sham. He's an infomercial of a president. He said he was going to do so many things and has either not done them or done the exact opposite.

[plague]

On second thought. Pretty dumb question. We survived Abbott.

Abbott's legacy will be that he was the only one who got it right about the NBN.

But everyone apparantly knew better.

[Frodo]

Abbott's legacy will be that he was the only one who got it right about the NBN.

But everyone apparantly knew better.

What did he get right about the NBN?

[plague]

Obama was in charge when Sandy Hook happened. It is by far the biggest stain on his legacy and he should be eternally embarrassed and called out for quite possibly the most pissweak act of 'leadership' that country has seen in recent memory.

The man who told the world he was all about Hope and Change couldn't even convince the country to do something about a bunch of ****ing school kids getting slaughtered.

But yeah sorry, "orange man bad".

[Frodo]

Obama was in charge when Sandy Hook happened. It is by far the biggest stain on his legacy and he should be eternally embarrassed and called out for quite possibly the most pissweak act of 'leadership' that country has seen in recent memory.

The man who told the world he was all about Hope and Change couldn't even convince the country to do something about a bunch of ****ing school kids getting slaughtered.

But yeah sorry, "orange man bad".

Are your trying to bring Obama down because he couldn't beat the NRA? Nice try mate, until you find anyone who can take them on to compare to you are pushing bullshit uphill. Obama did plenty of things wrong, not taking on the NRA wasn't one them.

[pv4]

I just like to remind anyone that thinks he's doing a good job that he's a sham. He's an infomercial of a president. He said he was going to do so many things and has either not done them or done the exact opposite.

And all those people saying he wouldn't survive one year, one month, before something bad happens to him were also wrong. Or that he would flick the trigger. Or whatever. I don't see the point in all the rage, particularly as you note he means nothing.

And it is worth noting he is absolutely NAILING being a politician - in that he expertly diverts attention to anything other than real issues. See the plebiscite in Australia for a recent eg of pure wizardry in this regard also.

And wrt Abbott and Australian PMs.. I have never seen a PM's name on my voting sheets.

[Macca]

Abbott's legacy will be that he was the only one who got it right about the NBN.

But everyone apparantly knew better.

???

Was that the "cheaper, better, faster" version that was none of those things?

[plague]

Are your trying to bring Obama down because he couldn't beat the NRA? Nice try mate, until you find anyone who can take them on to compare to you are pushing bullshit uphill. Obama did plenty of things wrong, not taking on the NRA wasn't one them.

It was Obamas job to protect his citizens. If he couldnt garner any support after 27 kids and teachers got slaughtered then to me thats ineffective leadership.

Also, onto this "NRA is all powerful and untouchable" narrative that keeps getting trotted out every time someone 'in charge' doesnt want to lead.

In the 2018 election cycle the NRA donated $35m to political parties (obvs overwhelmingly to Republicans).

Sheldon Adelson alone, ALONE, donated $125m, again, to republicans. Go look up his history in the courts. Plenty of stoushes with the law, and no one ever seems to consider him 'untouchable'.

Also, the top 10 individuals (your Bloombergs, Soros etc) donating money to the Democrats in the same cycle equalled about $250m.
You all sit there and say "oooohhhhhh the NRA brought off all the pollies" but their spend is a drop in the ocean compared to the rest.

There is also a huge difference between "lets go get thurrr guns" and "lets make the country safe". Obama went nowhere near it, again despite him doing all those cool speeches hes known for.
He was a very good talker, he was a brilliant salesman, he also presided over 27 kids and teaches getting shot up at their ****ing school and changed NOTHING. Sorry, but hes gotta wear that.

I aint saying hes the worst bloke in the history of the universe (that is Hutcho), but man oh man, the people who love caping up for the bloke have some selective memories.

[plague]

What did he get right about the NBN?

His angle was that by the time the NBN (as it is now) was designed, funded, implemented* and was finished, that wireless technology would have overtaken it and that we should have at least invested more money into that then putting all the eggs in the NBN basket.

He also suggested that the NBN should be prioritised into the major cities for the users that needed the real benefits of it (schools, big business, universites, hospitals) where as the pollies in charge started it in a ****ing swinging electorate just to try and score come votes. Let 5g (and its successors) go to households and share the load.



*now, the implementation was the key word here. The idea of superfast internet is brilliant and sensible. But Abbott knew full well that the idea of ripping 500yr old cables out of every home/road/building in the country was going to be way more expensive and difficult that the NBN truthers let on. Again, the idea was great, the implementation was (and still is) horrific. The Govt bit off more than it could chew, and couldnt get the job done. He knew it, and wanted a rethink, but the great Turnbull disciples in the media and public wanted nothing of it, and forged ahead with a horrible plan.

Funny though, the NBN was what brought on the Turnbull/Abbott stink, then they chose the NBN and Turnbull. Both were garbage and they binned the one they could get rid of. and here we are with an incomplete NBN and the imminent arrival of Shorten as PM.

weird.

[plague]

And all those people saying he wouldn't survive one year, one month, before something bad happens to him were also wrong. Or that he would flick the trigger. Or whatever. I don't see the point in all the rage, particularly as you note he means nothing.



The media reported 'as fact' that there was collusion.
The media has been exposed as lying about the whole investigation.
The media is not supposed to lie about these things if they consider themselves the arbiters of truth justice and the american way.
They played themselves and were made to look stupid.

All along they should have just concentrated on his policy. Attack that all you want. Lord knows theres plenty of ammo there. But now the 2020 election is going to be about the media, and how dishonest they are. The public is gonna side with him over this, because he is right.

[plague]

also, for a country more than willing to go the stink with anyone out there who is doing the wrong thing, id have thought taking on ISIS would be way harder than the NRA.
but i guess thats not the case.

[Frodo]

The media reported 'as fact' that there was collusion.
The media has been exposed as lying about the whole investigation.
The media is not supposed to lie about these things if they consider themselves the arbiters of truth justice and the american way.
They played themselves and were made to look stupid.

All along they should have just concentrated on his policy. Attack that all you want. Lord knows theres plenty of ammo there. But now the 2020 election is going to be about the media, and how dishonest they are. The public is gonna side with him over this, because he is right.

No chance they covered up any evidence of collusion to protect the country? Cause that's what I would do if I was in their position. FBI would have control over the mouth piece of the nation.

[MFKS]

also, for a country more than willing to go the stink with anyone out there who is doing the wrong thing, id have thought taking on ISIS would be way harder than the NRA.
but i guess thats not the case.

Hard for them to take on themselves Plague

They comcocted the group in the first place

[Frodo]

also, for a country more than willing to go the stink with anyone out there who is doing the wrong thing, id have thought taking on ISIS would be way harder than the NRA.
but i guess thats not the case.


NRA has over 5 million paying members and millions more supporters. They have en entire TV/media network. They are as engrained in the US people as the Church.

ISIS is a bunch of terrorists in a war torn country making how to videos and using the US media against it.

ISIS are much larger threat to society and have done truly atrocious things, please don't misunderstand that, but the NRA are a much larger organisation to take on.

[Frodo]

His angle was that by the time the NBN (as it is now) was designed, funded, implemented* and was finished, that wireless technology would have overtaken it and that we should have at least invested more money into that then putting all the eggs in the NBN basket.

He also suggested that the NBN should be prioritised into the major cities for the users that needed the real benefits of it (schools, big business, universites, hospitals) where as the pollies in charge started it in a ****ing swinging electorate just to try and score come votes. Let 5g (and its successors) go to households and share the load.



*now, the implementation was the key word here. The idea of superfast internet is brilliant and sensible. But Abbott knew full well that the idea of ripping 500yr old cables out of every home/road/building in the country was going to be way more expensive and difficult that the NBN truthers let on. Again, the idea was great, the implementation was (and still is) horrific. The Govt bit off more than it could chew, and couldnt get the job done. He knew it, and wanted a rethink, but the great Turnbull disciples in the media and public wanted nothing of it, and forged ahead with a horrible plan.

Funny though, the NBN was what brought on the Turnbull/Abbott stink, then they chose the NBN and Turnbull. Both were garbage and they binned the one they could get rid of. and here we are with an incomplete NBN and the imminent arrival of Shorten as PM.

weird.

Yeah, cause 5G is going to be heaps better for those outside of major cities? (hint, it won't be)

NBN could have been just as quick and reliable, it was just half arsed by Liberals as an election gimmick.

[plague]

No chance they covered up any evidence of collusion to protect the country? Cause that's what I would do if I was in their position. FBI would have control over the mouth piece of the nation.

nope.
none.


the media has been reporting it as fact for years. they have cited 'sources' within the Govt and all major intelligence agencies. They all said there was collusion.
yet, no one can find any evidence, no one will speak on the record and the official govt report (that was being run by people who HATE Trump) said there was nothing.

If there was the slightest piece of truth in this, the media would fall over each other to break it.

the fact is there was nothing, there never was anything and the media have been made to look like fools.

add to that todays news about Avenatti and Geragos (go look them up) and its been a bad bad week for the #nevertrumpers.

[plague]

NRA has over 5 million paying members and millions more supporters. They have en entire TV/media network. They are as engrained in the US people as the Church.

ISIS is a bunch of terrorists in a war torn country making how to videos and using the US media against it.

ISIS are much larger threat to society and have done truly atrocious things, please don't misunderstand that, but the NRA are a much larger organisation to take on.


So 5 million NRA members, that seems to leave about 320m Americans who arent members. Those 320m people arent worth at least trying to get on your side? ok then.


At their peak ISIS was making $3m per day from seized oil assets.
The Japanese bombed a bunch of American ships on home soil.
The Nazis delighted in gassing millions of people because of their religion.
A bunch of weirdos flew some planes into some buildings on 9/11.

American thought that was reason enough to fight back.

27 kids and teachers. meh, in the words of SHY, 'accidents happen'.
Obama obviously didnt think that was reason enough to fight back.
ok then.

[Macca]

Yeah, cause 5G is going to be heaps better for those outside of major cities? (hint, it won't be)

NBN could have been just as quick and reliable, it was just half arsed by Liberals as an election gimmick.

The big thing for me was the whole point of the original was that it was future proofed. Once it got taken to by Malcolm and Tony (I don't know who did what), that selling point is gone and its still something that will have to be upgraded once again. I don't yet have it myself so I don't even know if its any good. I know a lot of people complain who do have it that it still doesn't meet their needs, let alone into the future. (Not saying the original rollout would have gone flawlessly either).

[plague]

Yeah, cause 5G is going to be heaps better for those outside of major cities? (hint, it won't be)

NBN could have been just as quick and reliable, it was just half arsed by Liberals as an election gimmick.

yeah look im not any person to say whether one is 'better' than the other. it certainly seems like everyone is saying 5g and NBN should work in tandem before 6g arrives in 2030 and does the job properly. and yes, the Liberals idea of FTTN vs FTTP was half assed, i doubt anyone disputes this.


but was it more half assed than the totally pie in the sky forecasts that the original architects of the program quoted?
they seem to have been only 40-50 Billion out in their estimates (and thats inc the Liberal shortcuts). My only point is that Abbott said if we are gonna spend 90b, lets look at all the options. Turnbull said, "nah NBN or die and im right". I doubt you can say Turnbull got it right.

if they were in private enterprise they would have been fired and jailed for being so horrifically bad at their jobs. yet we 'seem' to be ok with it because the tap of govt revenue never seems to run out.

[Frodo]

27 kids and teachers. meh, in the words of SHY, 'accidents happen'.
Obama obviously didnt think that was reason enough to fight back.
ok then.

Obama put forward legislation for simple pre-purchase background checks, which is at least the bare minimum regulation that should be in effect... It was shot down by Congress. He and his party had built up a huge amount of support after his white house speeches for gun control, they then put forward a simple legislation change to help and even back ground checks couldn't make it through Congress??? Yet, it's all Obama's fault some **** stick shot 27 kids!! Your logic is immeasurable... (By logic I mean stupidity)

He did manage to pass a law so that people with mental health issues had to pass background checks before purchasing guns... But that was revoked by your mate Trump! Any excuses for that one?

Heck, got ANY facts to back up your stupidity on this one Plague? You sound like someone trying to justify water-boarding in Guantanamo Bay, "well even tho we didn't have proof that were terrorists, at least they didn't commit any bombings whilst we were water-boarding them?"