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plague
27-07-2012, 03:56 PM
Boat People.
Carbon Tax.
Gun laws.
It's all here people, let 'er rip (inside voices though please).

Hamma12
27-07-2012, 03:59 PM
we all hate coast scum that is all

http://i.haymarket.net.au/Utils/ImageResizer.ashx?n=http%3a%2f%2fi.haymarket.net.a u%2fNews%2f103208019.jpg&w=653

plague
27-07-2012, 04:59 PM
we all hate coast scum that is all

http://i.haymarket.net.au/Utils/ImageResizer.ashx?n=http%3a%2f%2fi.haymarket.net.a u%2fNews%2f103208019.jpg&w=653

FMD no wonder her approval rating is at 28%.
Political suicide that is.

Hamma12
03-08-2012, 11:08 AM
Government considering changing intelligence laws




http://www.youtube.com/embed/QAxZ-riGmyo?rel=0


The Government is considering the most sweeping and radical changes to Australia's surveillance and intelligence laws since the establishment of the original powers in 1979.

We've put together an informative video to explain the changes. Watch the video above and sign the petition to Attorney-General Nicola Roxon using our tool on the right, asking her to ensure these proposed reforms do not become law.



You can see the full text of the discussion paper here (http://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/privacy/protect-us-but-respect-us/discussion-paper).



Everyone should sign the petition on the website below
This shit will allow the gypos to access all squadron secrets/personal information.


http://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/privacy/protect-us-but-respect-us/your-privacy-at-risk?referring_service=facebook#.UBseWxMu_K4.faceb ook

q-money
03-08-2012, 11:15 AM
orrite che guevara

Hamma12
03-08-2012, 12:32 PM
che guevara

lol
We look nothing alike


66





67 <<<<<< Hamma12

snake
03-08-2012, 02:10 PM
who has the hamma multi? lol

Hamma12
03-08-2012, 02:13 PM
who has the hamma multi? lol


No multi here.This is the real hamma

plague
03-08-2012, 03:31 PM
GetUp!
FFS.
You kids and your crazy causes.

Blackmac79
03-08-2012, 04:03 PM
IMFHO there is not enough fascism in Australia.

furns
04-08-2012, 11:16 AM
Its all secretly being run by the Crab People.

moses
06-08-2012, 09:45 AM
Gay marriage in TAS

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/gay-marriage-bid-exposes-labors-division/story-e6frgczx-1226443408309

Labor is going to get the biggest boot at the next election and we will have a conservative government for the next dozen years or more. It wouldn't make up for all the damage they have done to humanity but you would think gillard and her homophobic mates would end the discrimination against poo'fs and lezzies ,even as a parting gesture to piss off the libs.

:blush:

The Australian Christian Lobby's Jim Wallace issued a warning to the Prime Minister that she would suffer politically if her government did not attempt to strike out Tasmania's laws in the High Court. "I think people seem to forget what happened to (former Queensland premier) Anna Bligh, the rush of pro-gay legislation toward the end made the defeat all the greater," he said, refusing to rule out the prospect of the ACL launching a legal challenge.

selassie
06-08-2012, 11:03 PM
stop the boats. foreigners ruining this country.

Life is like a game of chess. You never want to be black. - gselevator

GazFish35
06-08-2012, 11:06 PM
Gay marriage in TAS

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/gay-marriage-bid-exposes-labors-division/story-e6frgczx-1226443408309

Labor is going to get the biggest boot at the next election and we will have a conservative government for the next dozen years or more. It wouldn't make up for all the damage they have done to humanity but you would think gillard and her homophobic mates would end the discrimination against poo'fs and lezzies ,even as a parting gesture to piss off the libs.

:blush:

The religion based politics of this shits me to tears.
Governments are supposed to agnostic.

furns
06-08-2012, 11:12 PM
Makes a change from this view of Tasmania.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEMIDgQebxM

moses
25-09-2012, 08:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpv0lPz-pd4

Retro Jet
26-09-2012, 12:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpv0lPz-pd4

HS is not a pimple on the Chasers botties.....
They're BAAAACCCK

belchardo
29-09-2012, 10:20 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/gillards-father-died-of-shame-alan-jones-20120929-26soa.html

every time i think he's reached the bottom of the barrel, he proves that i'm just not giving him enough credit.

plague
29-09-2012, 10:50 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/gillards-father-died-of-shame-alan-jones-20120929-26soa.html

every time i think he's reached the bottom of the barrel, he proves that i'm just not giving him enough credit.

Dead set grub.
Sad part about it is the masses that listen to keep him on air.
My biggest issue (not just with him) is the way journals etc call her 'Julia'.
It's Prime Minister Gillard. Don't care if you like her or not, show some rffing respect to the leader of our country.

GazFish35
30-09-2012, 07:14 AM
She's a fooking gypo.
absolute no chance of that

Or the fact her father just died.


Ease up hamma

hawk
02-10-2012, 11:06 PM
Dead set grub.
Sad part about it is the masses that listen to keep him on air.
My biggest issue (not just with him) is the way journals etc call her 'Julia'.
It's Prime Minister Gillard. Don't care if you like her or not, show some rffing respect to the leader of our country.

Didnt something similar happen Farah and his mum? Not much in the media about the offender.

plague
03-10-2012, 12:49 PM
Didnt something similar happen Farah and his mum? Not much in the media about the offender.

Yep, and the dude that did it should be outed as well (if possible).
Also Farah said stupid shit about the PM which didn't wash with many either.
I'm all for free speech but I'm also for being accountable for your actions.
In my opinion what Jones said was low. If others don't think that way then fine.

plague
03-10-2012, 01:10 PM
Also Alan Jones knows its like to be on the other end of this.
Chopper Read, Midday Show.

hawk
18-10-2012, 02:42 PM
Oops.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpSf1p3UH-0

plague
18-10-2012, 02:55 PM
Oops.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpSf1p3UH-0

Hawk, this thread will not tolerate 'miss-odge-oh-knee' on any levels.
If that was a male Prime Minister tripping over in his high heels would you be laughing then?

Expect a call from Nicola Roxon.
Girl Power!!!

sh10
18-10-2012, 03:47 PM
lols

terry
18-10-2012, 10:07 PM
jules loves it face down, only from the girls though

seldom
18-10-2012, 11:03 PM
she likes it gingerly

hawk
07-11-2012, 11:26 AM
Get on this to check out the bogus US election

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/?state=nwa

plague
07-11-2012, 03:23 PM
Four more years of Obama.
Please adjust your "worlds gonna end/worlds been saved" settings accordingly.

Grimario
07-11-2012, 03:44 PM
Romney is rejecting the forecasts put out by the news outlets, saying it will be much closer than that and too early to tell, apparently.

And Donald Trump is having a massive blow up on twitter about majority of votes not winning an election, how it is undemocratic blah blah blah.

plague
07-11-2012, 03:58 PM
I'd always imagined that if I was mega rich id be just like Trump. Causing shit everywhere I went knowing that it didn't matter what people thought of me cause I was loaded and would play golf at sweet courses and stuff.

Better than that suck up Bill Gates trying to save the world and shit. Such a pussy.

selassie
07-11-2012, 04:01 PM
well done barry, once and for all proving that citizens united had no bearing on the election and is good for democracy.

Grimario
07-11-2012, 04:24 PM
Actually a bit sad that the coverage has stopped... apparently it is going off on the Fox coverage. Copied from another forum...


It's so ****ing amazing. Rove is insisting they can't call Ohio because they haven't counted Cincy or Cleveland...


...You know, the two places Democrats win in massive margins and where Obama was expected to win the state. Obama's ahead in Virgina, Colorado and Florida now too. This could be a massive margin and Romney/Fox are flipping out over a state that they're going to lose, but wouldn't change the outcome if they won.


For months, Republicans have bitched about the polls being wrong and can't accept it when they were absolutely dead on. It's embarrassing and, therefore, hilarious to watch and they're utterly delusional.

q-money
07-11-2012, 11:11 PM
democracy is great until you lose

GazFish35
07-11-2012, 11:17 PM
And Donald Trump is having a massive blow up on twitter about majority of votes not winning an election, how it is undemocratic blah blah blah.

Global warming is a myth developed and promoted in china to stall american manufacturing.

Blackmac79
08-11-2012, 05:56 AM
Interestingly on the global warming issue, there has been no noticeable increase in global temperatures in the last 20 years.

There has been a significant 1.something% since the 1880's but then for the last 20 years nothing.

Funny thing Dynamic Equilibrium and its ability to maintain static and more importantly survivable environments.

Perhaps 'global warming' will become then next 1980/90's 'Hole in the O'Zone' saga. (Of which O'zone is almost back to pre-CFC levels)

The world is a complex and beautiful thing, and if humans putting some smog in the sky is going to ruin it, the earth would never have been around for humans anyway.

boz-monaut
08-11-2012, 07:18 AM
that is completely and utterly wrong blackmac

here is the graph of global temperatures from NASA

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A2.gif

The dotted black line is the annual mean and the solid red line is the five-year mean. The green bars show uncertainty estimates.

as you can see there has been an increase off almost 1 degree Celsius since 1880

facts, not opinions.

plague
08-11-2012, 09:46 AM
Interestingly on the global warming issue, there has been no noticeable increase in global temperatures in the last 20.

Yeah but I saw a photo of a polar bear floating around on an iceberg which proved the ice caps is gone.
But then it was cold the other day and Alan Jones is totally like "global warming is a myth it's cold in November you guys" so now I think it's not true.

and Boz you know we cant trust NASA, they won't fess up to faking that whole moon landing stunt. I mean, how come those flags are flying when there's no wind on the moon.

I'll be down in my bunker if anyone needs me.

The Dunster
08-11-2012, 11:55 AM
We never had any problems with global warming when the earth was flat.

Grimario
08-11-2012, 12:12 PM
Nah, I think the problem really goes back to when we started revolving around the sun. Do you know how much energy that takes, core overheats and that is the real cause of global warming. If we go back to it revolving around us, we can chill down a bit and stop the earths motor from overheating.

toad
08-11-2012, 12:34 PM
also, regarding the ozone layer, yes the situation is improving but if you look at the data you can correlate the change in 'direction' of annual ozone layer depletion to the widespread adoption of the montreal protocol limiting the use of CFCs. in other words, the situation got better because something was done about it.

plague
08-11-2012, 12:46 PM
I'd love to see a graph mapping the relationship between 'women getting the vote' and 'shit getting all ****ed up'.

sh10
08-11-2012, 12:57 PM
I'd love to see a graph mapping the relationship between 'women getting the vote' and 'shit getting all ****ed up'.

****ing lol

and teh gays. pretty sure you can correlate the increase in people identifying as homosexual and an increase in the earth's temperature.

boz-monaut
08-11-2012, 03:08 PM
I thought the gays only controlled hurricanes

Rocknerd
08-11-2012, 03:19 PM
Yeah but I saw a photo of a polar bear floating around on an iceberg which proved the ice caps is gone.
But then it was cold the other day and Alan Jones is totally like "global warming is a myth it's cold in November you guys" so now I think it's not true.

and Boz you know we cant trust NASA, they won't fess up to faking that whole moon landing stunt. I mean, how come those flags are flying when there's no wind on the moon.

I'll be down in my bunker if anyone needs me.

Everyone knows that the Moon landing was faked in a film Studio on Mars.

Schultz
08-11-2012, 10:50 PM
Politics is a facade; the banks rule the world, no point being concerned.

Blackmac79
12-11-2012, 11:47 AM
that is completely and utterly wrong blackmac

here is the graph of global temperatures from NASA

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A2.gif

The dotted black line is the annual mean and the solid red line is the five-year mean. The green bars show uncertainty estimates.

as you can see there has been an increase off almost 1 degree Celsius since 1880

facts, not opinions.

I apologise... 15 years, not 20.

183

snake
12-11-2012, 12:24 PM
here we go

belchardo
12-11-2012, 12:46 PM
lol. love a good cherry-picking.

epic wind-up from Blackmac.

militiamon
12-11-2012, 05:42 PM
I agree with Blackmac on this. Look at the data from BOM:

2/11/2011 - Max temp in Newy = 23.0

2/11/2012 - Max temp in Newy = 18.6


Now if we plot this data we can see a trend is developing:

http://i.imgur.com/jiT9J.png

Extrapolating this ahead 50 years we see the real picture:

http://i.imgur.com/Z6D8D.png


So in conclusion, the scientists are all wrong, the Earth is actually cooling at a rate of -4.4 degrees per year, resulting in an average temperature of -140 degrees in 50 years time.

au revoir
12-11-2012, 06:33 PM
So in conclusion, the scientists are all wrong, the Earth is actually cooling at a rate of -4.4 degrees per year, resulting in an average temperature of -140 degrees in 50 years time.

nailed it.

russjaybee
13-11-2012, 09:31 AM
Holy shit militiamon, we need to get you on breakfast tv to alert the people!

moses
13-11-2012, 06:43 PM
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/gillard-acts-on-sex-abuse-claims-20121112-298h1.html

Although Gillard is trying not to focus too much on any particular religious mob here when commenting about an inquiry into kid abuse ,we know who is responsible for around 100% of the child abuse that has brought about this Royal C.
The rapin Catholics.



She said the inquiry would investigate ''all religious organisations'', state government care groups, not-for-profit bodies, schools and responders to abuse complaints such as child services agencies and police.

Pell has come out fighting. :sparring:


....there is a persistent press campaign against the Catholic Church..

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-13/pell-accuses-press-of-exaggerating-catholic-abuse/4369214

Skirt Boy
13-11-2012, 08:07 PM
Now that I have been in Germany for considerable time I developed a good understanding of how the joint works and it's comparisons back home.


Late Night Trading and Booze Laws



Here in Weimar practically every single pub and nightclub is open 7 days a week with a closing time of around 4-5am. some will still be open at 9am. For a 500m bottle of beer you will pay between 2 to 3 euro's. There are no intoxication laws to speak of yet there is no violence, no wankers out on the street and bouncers are more concerned about getting laid then actually bouncing cunce. I've only seen one guy actually turfed out.

In addition to this there is probably more pubs and club in Weimar then the entirety of Newcastle/Lake Macquarie and they are all within walking distance of each other. Yet there is no violence, let alone you never see the local cops out in force unless there is a football game on.

Just maybe instead of having ****ing curfews and a smaller number of pubs/clubs we need longer trading hours, scrap the RSA, have more venues in a heavily concentrated area that give people lots of choice.

It may just very well help reduce our late night booze problems.

I'll have another comment later.

seldom
13-11-2012, 08:25 PM
How expensive is real estate SB ?

Skirt Boy
13-11-2012, 08:38 PM
A good bachelor pad can be had for around 70k AUD.

Even some family sized houses can be had for less then 100k.

russjaybee
14-11-2012, 10:24 AM
Fuarkkkkkk.

Yeh SB, this is another case of people missing the real issue. The issue is not alcohol, it's our retarded culture and the "aussie way" of being a "tuff khunt" etc.

Also agree that lack of nightspots means people clashing as they're forced to mix crouds etc.

Bring on small bars in newie ala melbourne. Would liven up Hunter streezy a bit.

Skirt Boy
14-11-2012, 11:31 AM
Fuarkkkkkk.

Yeh SB, this is another case of people missing the real issue. The issue is not alcohol, it's our retarded culture and the "aussie way" of being a "tuff khunt" etc.

Also agree that lack of nightspots means people clashing as they're forced to mix crouds etc.

Bring on small bars in newie ala melbourne. Would liven up Hunter streezy a bit.

Last post before I hit the sack as I'm off to Berlin tomorrow.

I remember back in the 1990's.

You could go out and you would leave to go out at 10pm.

What did we have. The Castle, JR, Jacks on King, Casbah, Empire hotel, The Family Hotel, Hunter on Hunter, The Lucky, Mercury Hotel, The Grand, Great Northern, Cambridge Hotel, Lass O'Gowrie, Star Hotel, Fanny's, The Brewery, Crown and Anchor and the Worlds Biggest Disco at the Workers Club.

Both Hunter Street and King Street were the places to be. A venue every 100 metres or so. It was quite common to go into 5 or so venues in a single night. There was hardly any problems. The city rocked, there was awesome music and depending on the night it was always the possibility of still drinking when the sun is coming up.

What do we have left now? Just big booze dens full of bogan yobbo's.

Disgrace.

Blackmac79
14-11-2012, 05:20 PM
lol. love a good cherry-picking.

epic wind-up from Blackmac.

Thankyou.

northern_swan
14-11-2012, 09:42 PM
Now that I have been in Germany for considerable time I developed a good understanding of how the joint works and it's comparisons back home.


Late Night Trading and Booze Laws



Here in Weimar practically every single pub and nightclub is open 7 days a week with a closing time of around 4-5am. some will still be open at 9am. For a 500m bottle of beer you will pay between 2 to 3 euro's. There are no intoxication laws to speak of yet there is no violence, no wankers out on the street and bouncers are more concerned about getting laid then actually bouncing cunce. I've only seen one guy actually turfed out.

In addition to this there is probably more pubs and club in Weimar then the entirety of Newcastle/Lake Macquarie and they are all within walking distance of each other. Yet there is no violence, let alone you never see the local cops out in force unless there is a football game on.

Just maybe instead of having ****ing curfews and a smaller number of pubs/clubs we need longer trading hours, scrap the RSA, have more venues in a heavily concentrated area that give people lots of choice.

It may just very well help reduce our late night booze problems.

I'll have another comment later.

I found the same thing in London. If you could physically speak, you got served at the bar. The number of bars and the social culture led to some cracking nights out, and comedy gold on a late night bus on the way home.

Oh and £2 henikens never hurt either! :pissup:

militiamon
20-01-2013, 11:30 AM
Eastern politics :cool:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdjNV9nv3QQ

Old du with the cane at 1.00 :rof:

q-money
20-01-2013, 11:39 AM
:rof:

old mate gets absolutely belted, some great shots in there

the cane ffs lol

Hamma12
20-01-2013, 11:41 AM
Eastern politics :cool:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdjNV9nv3QQ

Old du with the cane at 1.00 :rof:



Right wing extremist

sh10
20-01-2013, 09:07 PM
worst assassinator ever, why did he not pull the trigger?

plague
20-01-2013, 09:12 PM
:rof:

old mate gets absolutely belted, some great shots in there

the cane ffs lol

reminded me of this guy
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/915/760/Mr.Fuji-realwrestlecrap.proboards.com_display_image.jpeg?1 329185151

plague
20-01-2013, 09:15 PM
and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=i0GW0Vnr9Yc#t=2s

q-money
20-01-2013, 09:16 PM
worst assassinator ever, why did he not pull the trigger?
it was a gas pistol, supposedly it misfired, they can be lethal at close range from my extensive 2 minutes of googling

q-money
20-01-2013, 09:16 PM
reminded me of this guy
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/915/760/Mr.Fuji-realwrestlecrap.proboards.com_display_image.jpeg?1 329185151

lol

parksey
21-01-2013, 04:28 PM
Right wing extremist

well said

belchardo
30-01-2013, 02:42 PM
OH IT'S ON.

8 months of electioneering. can't wait.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-30/julia-gillard-calls-september-14-federal-election/4491118

pv4
30-01-2013, 02:47 PM
Eastern politics :cool:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdjNV9nv3QQ

Old du with the cane at 1.00 :rof:

:rof:

:oops:

dat cane after it has seemingly calmed down <3

goaliepersempre
30-01-2013, 02:57 PM
its on.....

q-money
30-01-2013, 03:16 PM
giving abbott enough lead time to choke on his on cawk no doubt

what will be the banana peel?

cory bernadi?
clooooooimate change?
cardboard tax?
women's vaginas?
the ****en reffos?

let the race to the bottom begin

plague
30-01-2013, 07:56 PM
giving abbott enough lead time to choke on his on cawk no doubt

what will be the banana peel?

cory bernadi?
clooooooimate change?
cardboard tax?
women's vaginas?
the ****en reffos?

let the race to the bottom begin

Gillard firing the first shots by wearing glasses in a presser. Focus group obviously told her that it made her look "more trustworthy".

Bad week for her though, first she proves shes flat out MISS-OGE-GEEN-NIST RAYCESS by sacking a woman for being white. Then she ups the ante with her defacto bloke letting rip with the type of blatant old school white power humour that both Tony Greig and Prince Phillip would be blushing over.
Gonna be a long/terrible cringe worthy affair choosing between shit policy or no policy.
Cant wait.

Buddha
30-01-2013, 09:42 PM
8 months to dish out dirt on abbott, 8 months for Abbott to once again keep labour in government, forcing me to lose holidays again (while the rich officers and pen pushers get more holidays) and be deprived of much needed stuff in favour of stuff we dont really need

parksey
31-01-2013, 01:03 AM
cmon liberal

goaliepersempre
31-01-2013, 02:13 PM
http://www.news.com.au/national/craig-thomson-arrested-by-police/story-fncynjr2-1226565909723

hmm reason for election call? lol

sh10
31-01-2013, 02:26 PM
http://www.railpage.com.au/image_resize/YToyOntzOjM6InVybCI7czo5MzoiaHR0cDovL3Jlc291cmNlcz IubmV3cy5jb20uYXUvaW1hZ2VzLzIwMTMvMDEvMzAvMTIyNjU2 NS8yODk2ODYtanVsaWEtZ2lsbGFyZC1oaXBzdGVyLW1lbWUuan BnIjtzOjU6IndpZHRoIjtpOjUwMDt9

plague
31-01-2013, 04:11 PM
Abbott, straight in with the unpopular policy, cutting out a needless handout on the day Thommo got nicked to avoid the headlines.

What we learned in politics today:
Libs are sneaky buggers who hate poor* people
Labor are crooks.

*by poor I meant down to their last 2 plasmas.

moses
31-01-2013, 06:07 PM
http://www.news.com.au/national/craig-thomson-arrested-by-police/story-fncynjr2-1226565909723

hmm reason for election call? lol

teehee
7 and a half month campaign, there had to be something happening.
The red headed **** will load on bullpoop promise after promise knowing Labor has no chance of winning.
Liberals for another 12 or so years.

Retro Jet
01-02-2013, 01:49 AM
You beaudy!
Chaser gets 7+ months to got to town on these muppets.

goaliepersempre
01-02-2013, 08:18 AM
You beaudy!
Chaser gets 7+ months to got to town on these muppets.


This :)

pv4
01-02-2013, 08:25 AM
http://i46.tinypic.com/i251ky.png

q-money
01-02-2013, 09:02 AM
stuff we dont really need

are you one of these anti-NBN types? coz i get internet on my mobile phone brah and it's legit sik

ToddG NBUnited
01-02-2013, 10:03 AM
8 months to dish out dirt on abbott, 8 months for Abbott to once again keep labour in government, forcing me to lose holidays again (while the rich officers and pen pushers get more holidays) and be deprived of much needed stuff in favour of stuff we dont really need

this so much. Glad the politicians get to keep their multiple flights home to see family while we only just managed to keep 1.

q-money
01-02-2013, 10:21 AM
armed forces dudes, quick question - not having a go i just want to know

you get paid more on active service yeah, but when you're not on active service, do you get paid considerably less? are blokes lining up to get posted away as much as they can to get more bankroll? or do you not have a choice and you go when the man tells you?

is there a quota system for who gets to go when?

goaliepersempre
01-02-2013, 10:33 AM
base wage what 70 000 - 80 000 for a foot soldier.. Gets paid alot more for O/S Trips and do beleive TAX Free... I guess it all comes down to what unit you are in, how many times you get deployed.

q-money
01-02-2013, 10:35 AM
i guess the whole getting shot at and killed part of the job is a bit crap

furns
01-02-2013, 10:58 AM
pussy

q-money
01-02-2013, 10:59 AM
i wish they'd send you on a suicide mission

furns
01-02-2013, 11:00 AM
I live in Western Sydney, I am already in the line of fire

q-money
01-02-2013, 11:03 AM
this election will be fought with the uzi and the AK

belchardo
01-02-2013, 12:26 PM
this election will be fought with the uzi and the AK

as tony would (and will) say: who do you trust more?

hawk
01-02-2013, 12:29 PM
as tony would (and will) say: who do you trust more?

good god, noone in canberra or politics that matter

Jeterpool
01-02-2013, 02:03 PM
as tony would (and will) say: who do hate less?

Fixed

belchardo
01-02-2013, 04:16 PM
good god, noone in canberra or politics that matter

cut me deep hawk, cut me deep. :(

:)

plague
21-02-2013, 09:59 AM
I'm thoroughly enjoying this election 'campaign' so far.
Rudd's whiteanting. Swanns dopeyness, the Greens being flat out batshit mentals and Abbott and Hockey waiting in the wings for their moment in the sun to completely cock it all up.
Wish the election was in Sept 2014 I could watch this forever.

Moar please.

Bon
21-03-2013, 01:50 PM
Spill..

belchardo
21-03-2013, 07:45 PM
it's alright, they had some paper towel nearby. nothing to see here.

plague
21-03-2013, 08:43 PM
it's alright, they had some paper towel nearby. nothing to see here.

"the greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he didnt exist"

Buddha
21-03-2013, 10:27 PM
base wage what 70 000 - 80 000 for a foot soldier.. Gets paid alot more for O/S Trips and do beleive TAX Free... I guess it all comes down to what unit you are in, how many times you get deployed.

it's not that much really, it's about 50,000 60,000, depends on rank and competencies,
active duty (by which you mean deployment i hope) is tax free 100 dollars a day i believe
and yes we get told "you've got 1 hour to get your shit sorted and wait"

there is a quota, but it depends more on how you have performed in the last 6 months and shit

ToddG NBUnited
21-03-2013, 10:29 PM
armed forces dudes, quick question - not having a go i just want to know

you get paid more on active service yeah, but when you're not on active service, do you get paid considerably less? are blokes lining up to get posted away as much as they can to get more bankroll? or do you not have a choice and you go when the man tells you?

is there a quota system for who gets to go when?

Bit of a delayed reply. But all members of Defence once qualified get a service allowance of ~$12000pa, being in the navy it's a bit different to the other services we get an extra allowance for being posted to a ship, and it varies depending on the amount of time you've spent posted to ships previously.
0-3yrs ~$12000pa
3-6yrs ~$18000pa
6-11yrs ~$25000pa
11+yrs ~$29000pa

Army and RAAF get extra allowances when they are out in the bush too.

Depending on what area of the middle east you are operating in the pay changes aswell.
$125 for where we were on my last trip
$200 is the basic in country(Afghanistan/Iraq) allowance
and $250 for the infantry guys that are out on the ground patrolling.

My Base wage is ~$58000 but an infantry soldier is sitting at about ~$45000. http://content.defencejobs.gov.au/pdf/triservice/DFT_Document_PayRates.pdf

As for people trying to chase the money on trips, as a rule of thumb you're meant to wait 12months from getting back before you go on another trip in saying that if they need you you can get sent without much say. At the same time it's a lot easier to say no these days as chances are there is someone who hasn't been on a trip and is willing to take your place. Thats how it is in the Navy anyway, not sure about the Army and RAAF.

So to summarise all of those ramblings, yeah its a fair bit extra that we get whilst deployed but what we are on back in Aus isn't too bad even though the hours can be quite long. And thats not counting the Rental assistance and free medical / dental etc.

ToddG NBUnited
21-03-2013, 10:30 PM
haha timing buddha.

q-money
21-03-2013, 10:41 PM
cheers bros

seldom
22-03-2013, 12:45 AM
so you should get "a fair bit extra " when active...got a lot more ticker than me

Buddha
22-03-2013, 11:38 AM
and it's days like today where i wonder why the **** i'm still in, last two weeks have been pineapple galore

pv4
22-03-2013, 12:02 PM
isn't there some thing where if you enter a warzone, even if you're making coffees for people & are kms away from where there are actually guns firing, you get a pension for life?

pretty sure my uncle was in the navy for one of the wars and he was on a supply ship that delivered tinned ham & other stuff to a warzone. i don't even think he set foot on the land wherever he delivered to, or maybe he did but just walked boxes of supplies to somewhere "safe". and he got a life pension for doing that.

belchardo
24-03-2013, 05:22 PM
same as my grandfather, he was a cook, looked after for life by DVA.

don't think that system exists anymore though. tough financial times and all that.

Buddha
24-03-2013, 06:27 PM
You get a pension having completed mandatory period of enlistment, which for Tech Trades is 6 years and Non-Tech is 4. After you have had enough its always good joining APS that way you get 2 pensions!

seldom
24-03-2013, 09:22 PM
Many a person been gunned down supplying food to the troops...hard to fight on an empty stomach etc.
You young blokes ffs have some respect...probs teachers or engineers I'd guess

moses
04-04-2013, 08:46 AM
On a brighter note,when Abbott becomes prime minister in September he has vowed to get rid of the Climate Change Department & the rancid rat Tim Flannery.
http://www.news.com.au/national-news/victoria/victoria-to-suffer-extreme-weather-warn-climate-scientists/story-fndo4cq1-1226611210510

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/03/12/1226297/539110-flannery-1.jpg

The 2007 Australian of The Year gets a salary of $180,000 for his three-day-a-week role.


See Ya ****

:arse:

pv4
04-04-2013, 09:11 AM
Many a person been gunned down supplying food to the troops...hard to fight on an empty stomach etc.
You young blokes ffs have some respect...probs teachers or engineers I'd guess

i don't doubt that, and i don't disrespect what my uncle did nor what bel's grandfather did. i was just pointing out that you get a life pension even if you didn't sit in trenches with your ak's at the ready. my uncle laughs about what he didn't do, yet still receives his pension, tbh.

engineer - guilty

MFKS
04-04-2013, 12:48 PM
i don't doubt that, and i don't disrespect what my uncle did nor what bel's grandfather did. i was just pointing out that you get a life pension even if you didn't sit in trenches with your ak's at the ready. my uncle laughs about what he didn't do, yet still receives his pension, tbh.

engineer - guilty

The Dept of Veterans Affairs has some good rorts going for it

I know someone who is living with their grand parents and whose grandpa happens to be a Vietnam vet. Parents are living elsewhere and there is NO great reason why they couldn't be living with them.

As a result they get government allowances left right and centre. Education allowances, Medical expenses, opportunity to be fast tracked into scholarships for Uni, living expenses all being sucked up by the grand child of a returned vet.

Rather ridiculous that a grand child of a vet can suck at the Dept of Vet Affairs mango. Can fully understand the vet and wife sucking it at it all their life but grandkids???

After hearing about this it occurred to me how much I missed out on. Both lots of my grand parents who passed away in the last 9 years were returned servicemen. One of Grandfathers was in Japan after the war and most likely died from the radiation he endured there contributing to his cancer. Poor bloke met his wife(my grandmother) at a Military dance after the war. He was from Maitland she was from Tronto and they met in Japan


Could have been sucking the mango and moved in with him if I had of been aware

militiamon
04-04-2013, 01:21 PM
The Member is a descended from someone from Toronto?!

This has definitely made my day. The Member For T West, yeewww.

pv4
04-04-2013, 01:33 PM
The Member is a descended from someone from Toronto?!

This has definitely made my day. The Member For T West, yeewww.

:cool:

BodyNovo
04-04-2013, 03:48 PM
The Member is a descended from someone from Toronto?!

This has definitely made my day. The Member For T West, yeewww.

pride of 2283

q-money
04-04-2013, 03:54 PM
same as my grandfather, he was a cook.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5poA9SMZIjA

seldom
04-04-2013, 04:36 PM
The Member is a descended from someone from Toronto?!

This has definitely made my day. The Member For T West, yeewww.

Can't imagine the member surviving 5 mins out Tronna way

plague
04-04-2013, 08:10 PM
On a brighter note,when Abbott becomes prime minister in September he has vowed to get rid of the Climate Change Department & the rancid rat Tim Flannery.
http://www.news.com.au/national-news/victoria/victoria-to-suffer-extreme-weather-warn-climate-scientists/story-fndo4cq1-1226611210510

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/03/12/1226297/539110-flannery-1.jpg


See Ya ****

:arse:

I also live in hope that Heir Abbott will send out a hit squad to track down and terminate a certain Mr Bob Brown as well.
Time to start writing some wrongs.

plague
09-04-2013, 10:01 PM
Geez Louise, Maggie Thatcher is a bit of a debate starter eh.
Dead set learned more about British politics in the last 24 hrs than i did me entire life.


gosh.

goaliepersempre
10-04-2013, 12:36 AM
UoN Liberal Club Defeated the UoN Labor Club last night in the first debate.

Grimario
10-04-2013, 02:12 PM
Blows my mind that Turnbull believes this NBN bullshit. #fraudband and #stopthebytes are hilarious.

plague
10-04-2013, 04:07 PM
Blows my mind that Turnbull believes this NBN bullshit. #fraudband and #stopthebytes are hilarious.

To be fair though, Stephen Conroy is all kinds of crazy too.

Neither bloke is particularly convincing.

plague
28-05-2013, 10:48 AM
Geez Louise you wonder why no one likes or trusts any of these grubs.
Plan is to now pay the major parties $1 per vote per year (backdated to include last election) to cover admin costs for the major parties.
Labor stands to get $8m, Libs $7.5 and the Greens a couple $mil as well.
Of course no one is against it.
Tact doesn't seem to be a big thang down Canberra way.

belchardo
28-05-2013, 02:40 PM
i actually support full public funding of political parties. if you remove the need to raise money (i.e. provide guaranteed funding for each party based on an equitable system), then they don't need to be raising donations through some of the dodgy practices they all use at the moment (splitting donations to come under the disclosure cap for example). why should a corporation be able to pay for what is essentially special access and benefits when the ordinary taxpayer is unable to (to the same extent)?

in summary, all for it cause i think democracy is up the proverbial without it.

plague
28-05-2013, 02:59 PM
i actually support full public funding of political parties. if you remove the need to raise money (i.e. provide guaranteed funding for each party based on an equitable system), then they don't need to be raising donations through some of the dodgy practices they all use at the moment (splitting donations to come under the disclosure cap for example). why should a corporation be able to pay for what is essentially special access and benefits when the ordinary taxpayer is unable to (to the same extent)?

in summary, all for it cause i think democracy is up the proverbial without it.

I totally agree with this concept also and wish that's the way it was run.
But.
This new bill adds more funding to the pre-existing amounts granted post elections, and no changes have been made to accepting money from corporates/unions etc (apart from the threshold now being $5k for reportable donations down from $11.5k).
This new bill has also been funded with an unallocated $500m left over from this years budget. The budget which we were all told that we need new taxes etc to pay for major policy (which I also mostly agree with).

All sides are guilty in this as no parties will oppose it. But maybe it's something that could have been timed a little better rather than "lets take some more tax $ to fund all the crap we're going to pour down your throats in the next 100 days".

plague
28-05-2013, 03:03 PM
Also, I think we would enter a minefield where advertising can be independently funded by a business council/union/hippy group like getup that is essentially political anyway.
Not sure how they would prevent that from tipping the balance.

My2BobsWorth
28-05-2013, 07:11 PM
Most of it is wasted money, I know who I'm voting for, you know who you are voting for, it's all spent on the knobs who have trouble finding the polling booths. Red headed backstabbing bitch out, take her offsider Noddy with her, and Dutchy wants a lift.

belchardo
28-05-2013, 07:25 PM
Most of it is wasted money, I know who I'm voting for, you know who you are voting for, it's all spent on the knobs who have trouble finding the polling booths. Red headed backstabbing bitch out, take her offsider Noddy with her, and Dutchy wants a lift.

glad you didn't get personal or anything.

plague
28-05-2013, 08:18 PM
I know who I'm voting for, you know who you are voting for,

Thats the thing, Im actually still undecided. I dont believe any of the advertising, but what I usually base my vote on (whichever policies will benefit me personally and professionally most) are a bit light on from everyone so far.

and dont even start me on the leadership of both sides. fecking clowns the lot of them.
i hate that these things turn into a popularity contest.
bloody teenagers and their twitters and myfaces.

goaliepersempre
28-05-2013, 10:32 PM
Thats the thing, Im actually still undecided. I dont believe any of the advertising, but what I usually base my vote on (whichever policies will benefit me personally and professionally most) are a bit light on from everyone so far.

and dont even start me on the leadership of both sides. fecking clowns the lot of them.
i hate that these things turn into a popularity contest.
bloody teenagers and their twitters and myfaces.

you can thank the whole Kevin 07 campaign with this popularity and american style campaigns.

your vote is for the member that you think is best for the area... Yes It does effect the seats and then you elect a political part to office. But thats what a good candidate should promote. With many a campaign of big swings come down to said candidates work on get the vote about the seat and the candidacy then this stupid voting about presidential type thing...

militiamon
29-05-2013, 12:05 AM
your vote is for the member that you think is best for the area... Yes It does effect the seats and then you elect a political part to office. But thats what a good candidate should promote. With many a campaign of big swings come down to said candidates work on get the vote about the seat and the candidacy then this stupid voting about presidential type thing...

99% of the time though your federal MP will do sfa for the local area, especially for us homies out here in the burbs. Everything important at a local level is outside of their jurisdiction. So really it does just come down to voting for a party, I would vote for a total clown as my local member as long as it was my preferred party and they weren't using union funds for hookers or sniffing chairs and whatnot.

Blackmac79
29-05-2013, 09:06 AM
All comes down to politics at all levels becoming professional.

Decrease the wages, remove incentives, and make them actually care about their constituents

selassie
29-05-2013, 11:05 AM
bored at work.


why should a corporation be able to pay for what is essentially special access and benefits when the ordinary taxpayer is unable to (to the same extent)?

Also, I think we would enter a minefield where advertising can be independently funded by a business council/union/hippy group like getup that is essentially political anyway.
I welcome more money being spent for political purposes. Lobbying is an important part of a high functioning democracy and it cost money. - http://intelligencesquaredus.org/education/item/748-two-cheers-for-super-pacs-money-in-politics-is-still-overregulated



i hate that these things turn into a popularity contest.

you can thank the whole Kevin 07 campaign with this popularity and american style campaigns.
Only those who have never had their democratic rights suffocated could complain that the popularity of their elected leaders is a problem.



I would vote for a total clown as my local member as long as it was my preferred party and they weren't using union funds for hookers or sniffing chairs and whatnot.
That’s what the upper house is for, bro. Guess you will never vote independent then.



All comes down to politics at all levels becoming professional. Decrease the wages, remove incentives, and make them actually care about their constituents
And how would lowering their pay make them more professional or caring?
“In an anonymous comments section of the survey one MP wrote that such low levels of pay would soon mean that only MP's with private means would be able to enter parliament.” - http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jan/10/mps-call-pay-rise-survey

plague
29-05-2013, 12:13 PM
Give me the likes of Costello, Keating and Howard (not particularly 'personable' chaps) over the rabble we have had in the last few years anyway. At least they were focused on running the country not playing nice with Kochie and Mel etc.

I have no problem with political donations/lobbying etc.
how's this for a novel approach? If any pollies are found to be corrupt how about locking them up or kicking them out? That's probably the best way to avoid such issues.

Disagree on wages. Our pollies get paid a relative pittance compared to the private sector. Discouraging big brains from running the biggest company in the country (the economy) would be dangerous.

'getting their democratic rights suffocated'. WOT?

plague
29-05-2013, 12:17 PM
Newcastle City Council votes 7-6 in favour of NOT debating motions about gay marriage.

So NCC officially has at least 6 peanuts.
FFS, just pick up my bin and fix the potholes.

hawk
29-05-2013, 02:39 PM
Send in the EDL.

My2BobsWorth
29-05-2013, 03:51 PM
I'll be voting Lib for the first time. 2 reasons, firstly the Gillardgate disgrace where the wishes of the people were ignored, "the people pick the party and we pick the leader", sorry the people pick both. Secondly the lack of money going to safe Labor seats, we need them to be borderline to get some big money into the Hunter.

GazFish35
29-05-2013, 04:30 PM
My vote I'll be soley based on the Gonski reforms.

plague
29-05-2013, 04:45 PM
My vote I'll be soley based on the Gonski reforms.
Mr Fish:
Am I to assume you are a teacher?
If so quick question.
Is there any reason why education cirriculums arent national? All I ever read about is how good W.A. schools are going because they do their own thang. Is there a reason behind this? What's your opinion on it?
I always find it strange that we have such differing state rules and regulations in this area (and health, and law) for a population as (relatively) small as ours.

(I'm starting to research schools for my kid that's why I'm reading a bit about education).

My2BobsWorth
29-05-2013, 05:26 PM
I think WA and QLD have the advantage of not having the extra hour of school because of daylight saving, curtains are more colourful as well.

GazFish35
29-05-2013, 06:40 PM
Mr Fish:
Am I to assume you are a teacher?
If so quick question.
Is there any reason why education cirriculums arent national? All I ever read about is how good W.A. schools are going because they do their own thang. Is there a reason behind this? What's your opinion on it?
I always find it strange that we have such differing state rules and regulations in this area (and health, and law) for a population as (relatively) small as ours.

(I'm starting to research schools for my kid that's why I'm reading a bit about education).

Correct assumption.
Quick answer....
National curriculums are being rolled out now to be implemented in many kla's from next year.
States are reluctant to hand over total control as the fat cats who decide these things will be out of a job if they say that their state role is redundant to a new national body. Remember that curriculum is not dictated by government but by independent organizations, the nsw BOS is separate from the DEC.
Some level of local control over content is warranted. What my kids need and how I teach would be vastly different to what and how things are taught in the NT, WA or even the school I just moved from 50klm away. There was fears that the new curriculum would be too prescriptive and remove flexibility from the system.


Gonski is the single most important piece of government legislation in my lifetime.
Reform of the funding structure of all schools is desperately overdue and Gonski has got so many many things right.

plague
29-05-2013, 10:12 PM
Cool. Cheers for the explanation.

hawk
30-05-2013, 09:43 AM
About time the basics are being covered nationwide as federation has been around for a little while now.
There will be major deficiencies implementing the darn program and it will be forced to progressively change thus enforcing another most important piece of legislation in our lifetime.
example:

Australian history will not be taught as a stand-alone subject in the senior years under the national curriculum, with modern and ancient history the only two subjects to be offered nationwide.
However the federal government said Australian history was a central part of modern history and states could continue to offer their own Australian history courses if they chose to do so.http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/national-curriculum-declares-history-unaustralian-20120709-21rua.html
storm in a teacup yes but if you feel you need to add other subjects go right ahead.

For choosing schools, visit all the local ones, where possible talk to parents/teachers of these schools for some general feedback (beware of the rumours) and check out the socio ecomonic data for surrounding streets and suburbs (abs). I feel our current freedom of school choice can be discriminitive but this isnt the focus of the media at the moment.

My2BobsWorth
19-06-2013, 05:18 PM
I don't know what's going on with this "we're going to sell your port to finance our commitments elsewhere, and we might replace the rail line with a rail line". I sense that Newy will be rooted up the arse with a very large barge pole, again.

furns
26-06-2013, 05:24 PM
Here we go: Endgame at 7pm

Julia vs KRudd - battle to the (political) death

belchardo
26-06-2013, 06:00 PM
woo! something other than state of origin to watch. :D

q-money
26-06-2013, 06:49 PM
pwoah shorten flip flops

gillard is pretty much toast now, oof

plague
26-06-2013, 06:54 PM
Worse than Avon turning on Stringer Bell.

Oh well, looks like the Return of the King.

furns
26-06-2013, 06:58 PM
Shorten pulls a face turn, backing Stone Cold Kevin.
Some cans of whoop ass about to be opened in Caucus.

plague
26-06-2013, 07:02 PM
How good was Rudds blue tie during the presser?

Massive middle finger to you Ginger lady!!!!

plague
26-06-2013, 07:04 PM
I'm going to miss Wayne Swan though.
He made me look really smart.

Oh well, Joe Hockey will do the same for me.

plague
26-06-2013, 07:05 PM
Shorten pulls a face turn, backing Stone Cold Kevin.
Some cans of whoop ass about to be opened in Caucus.

I likened it to Shorten wacking Gillard from behind with a steel chair.
Vince McMahon running federal Labor. Good times.

plague
26-06-2013, 07:15 PM
Still voting for Clive though.
Man of the people etc etc.

furns
26-06-2013, 07:18 PM
Still voting for Clive though.
Man of the people etc etc.he should be, he is about five people

My2BobsWorth
26-06-2013, 07:41 PM
Clive needs to get Pauline on board, she'll stop the boats.

GazFish35
26-06-2013, 07:43 PM
Isn't Clive building a boat?

belchardo
26-06-2013, 08:55 PM
great. u-20's lost, gillard lost, blues down 14-0 5 to go in the first half.

this day has been awesome.

belchardo
26-06-2013, 08:56 PM
Isn't Clive building a boat?

kevin's here now, and he's here to help clive. only thing is he's gotta zip. he's got some program specificity to work out.

MFKS
27-06-2013, 08:51 AM
The ironic thing was listening to Rudd this morning he actually sounds like a PM type. Gillard always sounded like a fool with a peg on their nose and Abbott is just a sniveling ****wit.

This is gonna liven up the election. The damage may well be done for Labor but it will now become a bit more of a contest rather than a one sided arse whooping

hawk
27-06-2013, 02:37 PM
great. u-20's lost, gillard lost, blues down 14-0 5 to go in the first half.
this day has been awesome.

Gillard the misandrist moll got what she deserved and started.

Grimario
27-06-2013, 02:52 PM
Just need a coup in the Liberal ranks as well. Uncle Malcolm for PM!

belchardo
27-06-2013, 03:20 PM
Gillard the misandrist moll got what she deserved and started.

started? think that honour went to Alan Jones.

plague
27-06-2013, 04:30 PM
started? think that honour went to Alan Jones.
Fair shake of the sauce bottle there Mr Belchardo.
Gillard sealed her fate when she played the gender card so far out from polling day. Shit got old real quick. It's a dirty game played by grubs on all sides.
Still, heaps of Nannas out there still think Abbott hates women (which he doesn't, he's just a turd).
Uncle Kev is here to help. Get ready.

plague
27-06-2013, 04:40 PM
But can we all agree that hopefully the biggest loser out of this is Paul Howes?
Dead set that bloke is the worst khunt alive.
Single handedly giving the Libs ammo to take the whole movement on.

I hate that bloke even more than Middleby.

sh10
27-06-2013, 06:05 PM
Fair shake of the sauce bottle there Mr Belchardo.
Gillard sealed her fate when she played the gender card so far out from polling day. Shit got old real quick. It's a dirty game played by grubs on all sides.
Still, heaps of Nannas out there still think Abbott hates women (which he doesn't, he's just a turd).
Uncle Kev is here to help. Get ready.

This is actually the only accurate post I've read on this whole thing over multiple forums. Well done, plague.

selassie
27-06-2013, 06:59 PM
But can we all agree that hopefully the biggest loser out of this is Paul Howes?
he is the most electable of all the current union leaders. he is not old, he has got time on his side. his missus is alright and she earns close to a million a year. u jelly?

My2BobsWorth
27-06-2013, 07:45 PM
He's a carnt, like the other union leaders that backed the red headed bitch. I'm an old school labor bloke and this lot are a bunch of wankers.

plague
27-06-2013, 08:20 PM
he is the most electable of all the current union leaders. he is not old, he has got time on his side. his missus is alright and she earns close to a million a year. u jelly?
Nah.

Problem is hes more 'big end of town' than most CEO's.
Which would be fine except hes supposed to be "for the werkers".
Blokes a fraud.
But yeah, good on him for having the lyfe.
Hes just repping the wrong party 'tis all.

selassie
28-06-2013, 10:24 AM
Nah.

Problem is hes more 'big end of town' than most CEO's.
Which would be fine except hes supposed to be "for the werkers".
Blokes a fraud.
But yeah, good on him for having the lyfe.
Hes just repping the wrong party 'tis all.

fair comment but the modern labour party is all about people like baron waheed alli and david sainsbury.

hawk
28-06-2013, 04:59 PM
Just get someone from Newy in the PMs chair regardless of party or disease. Then we'll see the greatest sports stadium and an under pass.

plague
28-06-2013, 05:22 PM
Just get someone from Newy in the PMs chair regardless of party or disease. Then we'll see the greatest sports stadium and an under pass.

Please don't give MFKS any ideas.

plague
06-08-2013, 04:56 PM
Game on moles!!!

Only Clive can save us now........

plague
06-08-2013, 04:57 PM
Also, good to see Daily Tele get off to a nice balanced start on yesterday's front page.
http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/08/05/1226691/275643-dt-front-page-rudd.jpg

Still, at least they are unashamedly biased, gotta give points for honesty.

My2BobsWorth
06-08-2013, 07:28 PM
Rupert brought his No.1 spindoctor out from the US to run the smear campain. The arse licker isn't even an Aussie and he's trying to influence our election.

plague
06-08-2013, 08:15 PM
Rupert brought his No.1 spindoctor out from the US to run the smear campain. The arse licker isn't even an Aussie and he's trying to influence our election.

To be fair though, there are plenty of True Blue Dinky Di Aussies doing the same thing over at Fairfax and the ABC.

selassie
07-08-2013, 01:25 PM
Rupert brought his No.1 spindoctor out from the US to run the smear campain. The arse licker isn't even an Aussie and he's trying to influence our election.

col allan was born in australia.

our election. lol.

plague
07-08-2013, 01:45 PM
Rupert brought his No.1 spindoctor out from the US to run the smear campain. The arse licker isn't even an Aussie and he's trying to influence our election.

Also: Murdoch publicly backed Rudd and Labor in '07 so it's fair to say he got a fair shake of the sauce bottle.

Also: Rudd bringing in Obamas spin doctors kind of counters your point.

boz-monaut
07-08-2013, 03:02 PM
To be fair though, there are plenty of True Blue Dinky Di Aussies doing the same thing over at Fairfax and the ABC.
this sort of quote pisses me off

it's as if Murdoch's new lows of journalism are a balance to the right's perception that anyone not blowing their trumpet is a communist

q-money
07-08-2013, 03:08 PM
it seems insane that fox would pass up the chance to get on board with the NBN, they are in the best place to deliver content through it of anyone in the country

if the libs get in, watch them back down on turnbull's internets and carry on building the NBN with fox getting the first suck of the juicy mango

check out netflix stocks - http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=NFLX+Interactive#symbol=nflx;range=5y;co mpare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=o n;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

build it and they will come

q-money
07-08-2013, 03:11 PM
also anyone who reckons fibre to the home is a waste of time and will never be needed needs to try it for themselves

stayed in a verizon FiOS enabled joint in new york a few weeks back - leaves everything else for, as MFKS would say it, ****ING DEAD

plague
07-08-2013, 03:14 PM
this sort of quote pisses me off

it's as if Murdoch's new lows of journalism are a balance to the right's perception that anyone not blowing their trumpet is a communist
Oi comrade I'm not really one way or the other.
I just think that pretty much everyone has a lean and good on them for taking sides.
But to say its 'just' Murdoch or 'just' the ABC that are biased isnt fair either tis all.

boz-monaut
07-08-2013, 03:22 PM
there's having a lean, such as say the Guardian, and then there's feeding bullshit to the masses to further your own interests such as Murdoch does

what pisses me off is when you say something like the ABC is equally as biased as Murdoch

that is simply not correct

plague
07-08-2013, 03:32 PM
what pisses me off is when you say something like the ABC is equally as biased as Murdoch

I totally agree with your point about News Ltd.
But I didn't say they were equally as bad, just that both sides had friendly media.

Except Clive, no one seems to be helping him.

boz-monaut
07-08-2013, 03:37 PM
you said they were doing the same thing - they clearly aren't

Clive needs to buy his own papers and television and fill it with plastic dinosaurs and cruiseliners that will never be built

My2BobsWorth
07-08-2013, 03:47 PM
col allan was born in australia.

our election. lol.

Rupert not the bloody spindoctor, he's just a puppet

plague
07-08-2013, 03:53 PM
you said they were doing the same thing - they clearly aren't

Clive needs to buy his own papers and television and fill it with plastic dinosaurs and cruiseliners that will never be built

'Same thing' meant 'taking a side'.
And as I said I agree that no one beats News Ltd when they have a gripe. Just ask outgoing state finance minister Greg Pearce.....who is a turd.
Anyway, arguing about that won't solve the big issues.
Like animatronic dinosaurs.

plague
07-08-2013, 03:57 PM
Next topic:
What's your two main issues that will influence your vote this election?
I'll go first.
1. Economy: and more importantly its impact on small business.
2. Education: about to enter that part of the world for the first time in a long time.

My2BobsWorth
07-08-2013, 04:34 PM
OK, grubby journalism - Labor 1, Lib 0

Main issues
1. Entire health system overhaul, inclusive of NDS
2. Job creation. Real not manipulated

Edit, the only thing they need to do in education is bring back the bloody cane, and a big one

militiamon
07-08-2013, 07:04 PM
this sort of quote pisses me off

it's as if Murdoch's new lows of journalism are a balance to the right's perception that anyone not blowing their trumpet is a communist

lol, glad someone else brought this up, I got the same feeling but didn't know how to put it in words.


What about that that ABC Vote Compass thing now (political compass based on response to 30 questions). System of judgement is a bit whack, so Australian. Labor defs wouldn't be considered so left-wing by many standards, imo they would be on par with many conservative governments internationally. Bit of a laugh though, I came out as a true commie at the end of it, slightly more left-wing than The Greens :rof:

plague
07-08-2013, 07:14 PM
What about that that ABC Vote Compass thing now (political compass based on response to 30 questions). System of judgement is a bit whack, so Australian. Labor defs wouldn't be considered so left-wing by many standards, imo they would be on par with many conservative governments internationally. Bit of a laugh though, I came out as a true commie at the end of it, slightly more left-wing than The Greens :rof:

Where is this? Link? I think we should all do this and post results.

plague
07-08-2013, 07:33 PM
Edit: yep, did it. Turns out I'm slightly economic right (only just off the centre) and only slightly on conservative side on social issues (once again only just off centre).

Weighted results I was exact between Libs and Left. Non weighted much closer to the right.
Interesting. Highly recommend.
Thanks Militia.

belchardo
07-08-2013, 07:38 PM
when i did it i was between the greens and labor, closer to labor when weighted.

plague
07-08-2013, 07:49 PM
when i did it i was between the greens and labor, closer to labor when weighted.
Please don't take this the wrong way but that really surprised me based on reading you on the foz.

militiamon
07-08-2013, 07:52 PM
Oh yeah soz, here's the link for those who hadn't already heard about it:

http://www.abc.net.au/votecompass/

Good for a squiz, takes 10 mins.

Edit: plague, were you surprised by my result too? :o

plague
07-08-2013, 07:54 PM
Edit: plague, were you surprised by my result too? :o

Not one bit.

Bhahahahahahaha

plague
07-08-2013, 07:55 PM
Please don't let the MFKS get near it. I dare say he'll be right next to the "I don't give a **** about anyone Party".

militiamon
07-08-2013, 08:15 PM
Would need a third axis, the Kale Scale :cool:
Although really it would be the only axis.

MFKS
07-08-2013, 11:09 PM
Please don't let the MFKS get near it. I dare say he'll be right next to the "I don't give a **** about anyone Party".

Don't worry I will stay the **** away from it.

I am already a card carrying member of the I don't give a **** about which political party gets in. They are both ****ing incompetent and full of ****ing shit.

The Liberals take credit for running a good economy by refusing to spend the taxes we pay so we have no infrastructure then the Labour party spend money we don't have by building heaps of infrastructure and send the nation broke.

Both lots of them have NFI and refuse to tackle real issues yet carry on about a ridiculous issue of a couple of thousand poor foreigners in ****ed up situations coming to this country by boat to escape the ****ing troubles in their homelands.

Simple solution to this process the ****s quickly make a decision if they stay or get sent back. Save a couple of million on this instead of keeping these poor blokes locked up on Nauru or PNG for a year or so whilst they twiddle their ****ing thumbs. None of this stopping the boats or Pacific Solution or whatever bullshit they can come up with. Poor people in ****ed up situations are still gonna try and come here no matter what

Once this is dealt with they then can get on with dealing some real ****ing issues in this country not some make believe issue that buys votes due to the latent divisive racism in the issue

militiamon
08-08-2013, 12:10 AM
I don't know why I am surprised by this anymore, but I think I just agreed entirely with The Member.

belchardo
08-08-2013, 10:03 AM
Please don't take this the wrong way but that really surprised me based on reading you on the foz.

yeah? too far right or too far left?

q-money
08-08-2013, 10:26 AM
stop being so negative mfks

i suggest you go and clap your nuts in a hardback book like furns suggests to make you feel better

plague
08-08-2013, 10:42 AM
yeah? too far right or too far left?
Don't know why exactly but thought you'd be way more right.
I guess I've never come across many composed thoughtful rational Lefties (yes that was a compliment).

plague
08-08-2013, 10:46 AM
I don't know why I am surprised by this anymore, but I think I just agreed entirely with The Member.
I think most people would love to see Members solution.
Best solution I've read was by Chas from the Chaser boys (yes seriously). He says we should just remove ourselves from the refugee convention and write our own rules. His argument was that both sides of politics (as with the Member and Militia) want the same thing but the international laws are what's holding the process up (rights of appeal etc). It was an interesting take on the situation. Especially from a Greens supporter.

My2BobsWorth
08-08-2013, 04:48 PM
Did the test, hit the red dot spot on comrade. I don't have any answers to boat people but go on high alert when a refugee centre starts to look like war zone

plague
08-08-2013, 05:25 PM
Did the test, hit the red dot spot on comrade.

Now THAT is one that I saw coming.

q-money
09-08-2013, 11:00 AM
http://i.imgur.com/8sQyZjS.jpg

the blue manc
09-08-2013, 12:03 PM
maybe someone should give this bloke a call reminding him to proof read his pamphlets.

Premy
09-08-2013, 02:08 PM
Can someone tell me Murdochs hand ends and Abbots arse begins

plague
09-08-2013, 03:32 PM
Doesn't seem to be as much of an issue with the Financial Review (Fairfax) having a front page editorial on the same day calling the Rudd Govt unfit to govern and a steaming pile of shit*
Yeah different levels of hysteria but the message was the same innit?
Also remember, no News Ltd, No A-League and therefore no Foz so we would probably all evaporate or something (considering as 'people' on the foz we don't really 'exist'). I would be sad without Militia and Q in my (online) life.

Having said that I'm way way way way way more fearful of Joe Hockey being in charge of the public purse than anything Rudd or Abbott does. That former fat ****er scares me to bits.




*probably paraphrasing.

My2BobsWorth
09-08-2013, 07:32 PM
Two really good programs ATM are 7.30 and Kitchen Cabinet, on the devil's channel. Saw Turnbull on KC and would almost vote for him.

militiamon
09-08-2013, 10:57 PM
Annabel Crabb :wub:

sammydog
10-08-2013, 12:00 AM
Went to a function today with Graham Richardson and to a lesser extent Joel Fitzgibbon as guest speakers. Interesting listen, but from Richos perspective, the Liberals will win the election.

Like him or hate him though, Richardson's insight into politics is very interesting.

plague
10-08-2013, 09:14 AM
Like him or hate him though, Richardson's insight into politics is very interesting.

This.
His show on Sky News is always a pretty good watch (and a decent balance to some of the more pro-right people on that network).
Same with Mark Latham, as weird as it seems, if Labor had blokes like him at head office they mightn't be in as big a mess as they now are. He is now the Ljubo of the Left, always keepin it real.

pv4
10-08-2013, 09:37 AM
http://i.imgur.com/8sQyZjS.jpg

:rof:

Not sure how anyone who claims to be Newy can vote for Labour tbh. Labour noticeably hate the mining industry, and hence hate Newy.

smh

parksey
10-08-2013, 09:54 AM
i'm voting for kodos

Skirt Boy
10-08-2013, 10:18 AM
:rof:

Not sure how anyone who claims to be Newy can vote for Labour tbh. Labour noticeably hate the mining industry, and hence hate Newy.

smh

they do not hate the mining industry. What they are doing is bringing Australia into line with most of the other nations in the world. Considering how much money the mining industry makes (Tinkler aside) it's only fair that this wealth is distributed more fairly to provide much needed funds for essential services and infrastructure.

Also consider most of the mines in Newcastle, the Lake and the Hunter and Manning Valleys

For starters you can not go anywhere in the bushland around Newcastle and the Lake without seeing shit like this.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y149/Minardiau/afe780e9.jpg

Even with underground mines, the land is now useless for anything.

Open cut mining is even worse. And lets not forget thanks to the spring melts of Barrington Tops the Hunter Valley and Manning Valley are some of Australia's most productive farmlands. Guess where the mines are going?

Now considering there are viable alternatives to fossil fuels for energy production, I'd much rather have a thriving agricultural industry and a thriving solar/wind manufacturing industry then have a bunch of bogans smash rocks for coal in our region.

plague
10-08-2013, 10:51 AM
Jesus Skirt Boy, 12 months in the Fatherland and you've come back a darn Commie.
Where's your next posting? North Korea?

Didn't you know that Wind Turbines all catch fire and kill all da birds?
Ask Donald Trump, he knows everything apparently.

pv4
10-08-2013, 11:02 AM
Like I said - hate mining, hate newy.

And people reckon I'm the gypo round here SB smh :oops:

plague
10-08-2013, 11:10 AM
Besides, those big holes the mines leave will come in handy to bury all the bodies in once the New World Order* begins and targets the sick and poor.


*h/t Alex Jones @ Infowars

Skirt Boy
10-08-2013, 11:21 AM
Like I said - hate mining, hate newy.

And people reckon I'm the gypo round here SB smh :oops:

Last time I looked I'm north of Toronto and North of Swansea................gypo scum

Skirt Boy
10-08-2013, 11:23 AM
Jesus Skirt Boy, 12 months in the Fatherland and you've come back a darn Commie.
Where's your next posting? North Korea?



Meh I've always been a revolutionary commie. Hello, I'm a Windale lad who studies Fine Art.

pv4
10-08-2013, 11:32 AM
Last time I looked I'm north of Toronto and North of Swansea................gypo scum

Location means sfa. We have guys in syd who can't get to games without driving through the coast.

Newy is a way of life son

militiamon
10-08-2013, 12:09 PM
Last time I looked I'm north of Toronto and North of Swansea................gypo scum

:yap:

The Dunster
10-08-2013, 12:58 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhagdifeEo1qhsqy6o1_500.gif

**** labour, **** the conservatives, **** the greens, **** anyone on the ballot.

This is how I'll be filling in my voting forms.

plague
10-08-2013, 01:13 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhagdifeEo1qhsqy6o1_500.gif

**** labour, **** the conservatives, **** the greens, **** anyone on the ballot.

This is how I'll be filling in my voting forms.

Oh, so you're voting for Julian Assange then.






Ill get my coat.

boz-monaut
10-08-2013, 01:20 PM
:lulz:

MFKS
10-08-2013, 04:59 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhagdifeEo1qhsqy6o1_500.gif

**** labour, **** the conservatives, **** the greens, **** anyone on the ballot.

This is how I'll be filling in my voting forms.


Oh, so you're voting for Julian Assange then.

Ill get my coat.

Julian Assange??:what:


FFS Plague the drawing is a perfect likeness of Tony Abbott FFS:wink:

plague
10-08-2013, 06:26 PM
My joke was funnier.








Way funnier.

true waterboy
11-08-2013, 04:02 PM
they do not hate the mining industry. What they are doing is bringing Australia into line with most of the other nations in the world. Considering how much money the mining industry makes (Tinkler aside) it's only fair that this wealth is distributed more fairly to provide much needed funds for essential services and infrastructure.

Labour surely cannot still believe they have done right by australia by introducing multiple taxes on the mining company.
The mining industry isnt what it was a few years back, largely due to australian dollar and low export costs (which normally offset each other), but with these extra taxes the mining industry will never get back to its glory days and we must remember the australian economy is largely based mines. Not to mention the number of job loses due to mine closures

coalition for the newy way of life

steve136
11-08-2013, 05:19 PM
coalition for the newy way of life

Climate change dude.

true waterboy
11-08-2013, 05:31 PM
Climate change is something to look into but without viable green options we have to remain pro coal.
Unless u wanna go nuclear..... There is no other option

steve136
11-08-2013, 06:00 PM
Climate change is something to look into but without viable green options we have to remain pro coal.
Unless u wanna go nuclear..... There is no other option

375

Skirt Boy
11-08-2013, 06:25 PM
Climate change is something to look into but without viable green options we have to remain pro coal.
Unless u wanna go nuclear..... There is no other option

Wind or solar energy are viable alternatives. Furthermore any jobs lost in mining would be made up in manufacturing. Oh and mining accounts for less the 15% of the national economy.

belchardo
11-08-2013, 06:29 PM
Wind or solar energy are viable alternatives. Furthermore any jobs lost in mining would be made up in manufacturing. Oh and mining accounts for less the 15% of the national economy.

WHOA! Don't go dropping truth bombs like that! Direct costs only or indirect costs included?

furns
11-08-2013, 06:43 PM
lol @ Abbott trying to answer questions on where the money is coming from without actually saying anything

pv4
12-08-2013, 08:34 AM
Oh and mining accounts for less the 15% of the national economy.

According to Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Australia#Sectors) "the total mining sector is 19% of GDP". Also (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_Australia#Economics) "mineral exports contribute around 35% of Australia's exports".

Now SB I think you're getting a little confused. This whole topic started based around Newy. You're taking it to a much larger scale. The State of Newy is all we're caring about. And if you're Pro-Newy, you are Pro-Coal. This town was built based around mining - we are literally living in a giant coalfield.


Furthermore any jobs lost in mining would be made up in manufacturing.

This may be a personal stab, and excuse me if it is - but you're in the photography/arts/etc industry, you're probably used to having a lot of friends/acquaintances in your industry without jobs. I have a lot of local (Newy/Hunter) friends/acquaintances in the mining industry - and I'm telling you that they're losing their jobs, and there's SFA manufacturing for them to fall back on. I have more than half a dozen friends that are more than acquaintances who have been working in the mining industry for quite some time, and are currently job-less. A couple of which are Jets fans, and can't afford season memberships. I have a few friends from Muswellbrook who have to travel down to the Coast for work because their pits in the valley are on Care&Maintanence or just stopped altogether. I've got local friends on the Lake whose pits are in C&M and are worried about losing their jobs.

Like I said - you live in a coalfield. Your home is a coalfield. If you're pro-Newy, you're pro-mining.

Alternative solutions sound great in the grand scheme - when my half a dozen mates are welding solar panels and fitting wind turbines, I'll probably be on that train too. But they're all sitting at home trimming their grass, not a job available in sight - Newy boys struggling. Support your fellow Newy boy - support mining.

#COALition

pv4
12-08-2013, 08:35 AM
lol @ Abbott trying to answer questions on where the money is coming from without actually saying anything

He should have ignored the rules like Rudd and brought notes in, hey

Skirt Boy
12-08-2013, 09:17 AM
According to Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Australia#Sectors) "the total mining sector is 19% of GDP". Also (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_Australia#Economics) "mineral exports contribute around 35% of Australia's exports".

Now SB I think you're getting a little confused. This whole topic started based around Newy. You're taking it to a much larger scale. The State of Newy is all we're caring about. And if you're Pro-Newy, you are Pro-Coal. This town was built based around mining - we are literally living in a giant coalfield.



This may be a personal stab, and excuse me if it is - but you're in the photography/arts/etc industry, you're probably used to having a lot of friends/acquaintances in your industry without jobs. I have a lot of local (Newy/Hunter) friends/acquaintances in the mining industry - and I'm telling you that they're losing their jobs, and there's SFA manufacturing for them to fall back on. I have more than half a dozen friends that are more than acquaintances who have been working in the mining industry for quite some time, and are currently job-less. A couple of which are Jets fans, and can't afford season memberships. I have a few friends from Muswellbrook who have to travel down to the Coast for work because their pits in the valley are on Care&Maintanence or just stopped altogether. I've got local friends on the Lake whose pits are in C&M and are worried about losing their jobs.

Like I said - you live in a coalfield. Your home is a coalfield. If you're pro-Newy, you're pro-mining.

Alternative solutions sound great in the grand scheme - when my half a dozen mates are welding solar panels and fitting wind turbines, I'll probably be on that train too. But they're all sitting at home trimming their grass, not a job available in sight - Newy boys struggling. Support your fellow Newy boy - support mining.

#COALition

I'm a boilermaker by trade so I'm fully aware of many of the issues facing the workers of Newcastle. In a way mineworkers have shot themselves in the foot. By chasing the high wages, they have effectively shut themselves out of the traditional manufacturing industry. Really is the lack of jobs for your mates really because there is no work or because they do not wish to work for 17-20 bucks an away in a factory?

Secondly, through government policy, subsidies the alternative renewable industry could make up for the loss jobs and eventually drive down costs of energy. We are a technologically advanced nation. Lets use this expertise NOW and become a world leader in the design and manufacturing of renewable energy.

It's time for Newcastle to become an advanced city and until we move forward and leave the past behind, we will always be at the mercy of the ****s in Macquarie Street and Canberra.

furns
12-08-2013, 10:39 AM
He should have ignored the rules like Rudd and brought notes in, heyTony doesnt need notes, all he does is recycle the same 4 soundbites.

Stop the boats
Its all Labors fault
Kevin Rudd engages in negative politics (pot kettle black)
We will release those policies/costings in due course
rinse recycle repeat

As far as I was watching, Tony badly mishandled questions relating to his policy costings and how its going to be funded, same sex marriage and climate change.
Kevin badly stuffed up the 2nd Sydney Airport question.

GazFish35
12-08-2013, 12:56 PM
It's time for Newcastle to become an advanced city and until we move forward and leave the past behind, we will always be at the mercy of the ****s in Macquarie Street and Canberra.

Republika Novocastria!

steve136
12-08-2013, 02:35 PM
He should have ignored the rules like Rudd and brought notes in, hey

The liberals sound like a bunch of kids that just got beaten in a lunchtime sports game - "Miss, it's not fair! They cheated!"

The Dunster
12-08-2013, 04:20 PM
All accounts sum to zero.
Spending=Income
Government Budget Surplus = Non government deficit when Current Account is in deficit.
It is impossible for the non government sector to spend less than they earn if government budget is in surplus and current account is in deficit.
Politicians may lie but the National Accounting Identities are always true by definition.

Macroeconomics is still well and truly beyond the scope of the government and the opposition..

pv4
12-08-2013, 05:33 PM
The liberals sound like a bunch of kids that just got beaten in a lunchtime sports game - "Miss, it's not fair! They cheated!"

:rof: imagine all those gen y tech savvy meme creating labour lovers if it was abbott who did it :rof:

plague
12-08-2013, 08:18 PM
My debate thoughts:
Rudd is always going to do better in these things. Abbott is a dead set statue. No surprises there.
The notes thing is all hooey. As much as he didnt follow the rules, why anyone thinks that a PM should be up to date on every stat for every department in every avenue of politix is deluded. Thats why they have ministers/departments/staffers. Its a quite a big deal running a country. Pollies should be allowed all the notes they need.
The same sex marriage thing is a typical leftie smokescreen. Yeah its a big issue to a minor section of society, and to be fair, why we are even debating marriage equality in 2013 still astounds me. This typical "Abbott hates fagz" stuff is bullshit. They had this motion last year, it was overwhelmingly defeated (the PM at the time voted NO in case you missed it) so for it to be the "big issue" out of the debate only fuels these idiots to promote more minor issues at the expense of the big ticket stuff in order to get headlines.
can anyone tell me how that whole Kyoto protocol thing is going?
regardless how he sells himself Abbott will always be a distant 2nd to Rudd. the thing is that the public has heard most of Rudds act before, so hes got a bigger mountain to climb in order to win back trust to his party.
.

no one 'wins' these things.

bonjour imposteur
12-08-2013, 10:26 PM
no one 'wins' these things.

en efecto, tienes razón hombre.

en todo caso voy a votar por el revolucionario au revoir.

plague
12-08-2013, 10:51 PM
en efecto, tienes razón hombre.

en todo caso voy a votar por el revolucionario au revoir.

gracias por su amabilidad.
sÃ*, yo también llevo pantalones.
por favor, seguir adelante con mucho éxito y respeto.
joder ese tipo Middleby
granizo griff

plague
12-08-2013, 11:00 PM
For anyone wanting to see the full results on how the Pollies voted on the Marriage Equality motion tabled last year.
See here: https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/marriage-equality/roll-call/how-your-representatives-voted

true waterboy
12-08-2013, 11:29 PM
My debate thoughts:
Rudd is always going to do better in these things. Abbott is a dead set statue. No surprises there.
The notes thing is all hooey. As much as he didnt follow the rules, why anyone thinks that a PM should be up to date on every stat for every department in every avenue of politix is deluded. Thats why they have ministers/departments/staffers. Its a quite a big deal running a country. Pollies should be allowed all the notes they need.
The same sex marriage thing is a typical leftie smokescreen. Yeah its a big issue to a minor section of society, and to be fair, why we are even debating marriage equality in 2013 still astounds me. This typical "Abbott hates fagz" stuff is bullshit. They had this motion last year, it was overwhelmingly defeated (the PM at the time voted NO in case you missed it) so for it to be the "big issue" out of the debate only fuels these idiots to promote more minor issues at the expense of the big ticket stuff in order to get headlines.
can anyone tell me how that whole Kyoto protocol thing is going?
regardless how he sells himself Abbott will always be a distant 2nd to Rudd. the thing is that the public has heard most of Rudds act before, so hes got a bigger mountain to climb in order to win back trust to his party.
.

no one 'wins' these things.

The whole idea about the debate seems like its an opportunity to see if a leader will stuff up when the pressure is on. This is why the notes is wrong. I didnt see the debate but the highlights i saw looked like rudd had a prepared speech ready for every question.

Politics in australia is poor. both leaders are fools but the public are greater fools for voting for the leader not the party.
The most frustrating thing for me and im not being sexist but most women that I know, say they will never vote for abbot as they get a "bad vibe" from him even as far as thinking he seems abusive to women. yet when they see past reports of rudd where he has been caught out they say yeah but that was in the past and hes not as bad as abbott.

just shows how poor politics are in australia.

I agree with the gay marriage. I dont like how its been used as a publicity stunt for the election. I hate that marriage is used in politics. My personal beleif is that the churches should have say in this but if it was done in canberra id like the country as a whole to vote on it and let politicians focus on running the country.