15/16 HAL Round 23 | Newcastle Jets v Western Syd Wanderers | Sunday 13/3/16 @ 500pm

[Jeterpool]

A-League 15/16 Round 23 Preview - Newcastle Jets v Western Sydney Wanderers

FIXTURE FACTS

Overall – 11 matches between the two teams.

Jets Wins - 3, Wanderers Wins - 5, Drawn - 3


In Newcastle – 5 matches.
Jets Wins - 0, Wanderers Wins - 3, Drawn - 2
In Sydney - 6 matches
Jets Wins - 3, Wanderers Wins - 2, Drawn - 1

Average Home A-League Crowd – 16197
Average Away A-League Crowd - 11011

Goals in Fixture
Jets – 12, Wanderers - 16
In Newcastle -
Jets – 4, Wanderers - 9

1st Goals in Fixture
Jets – 4, Wanderers - 7

Cards in Fixture
Jets - 25 (23 yellow, 2 red), Wanderers 13 (13 yellow, 0 red)

Recent Form (FFA Cup & A-League)
Jets - WDWWL (10 points from last 15)
Wanderers - DLDWL (5 points from last 15)

Leading Scorers
Jets - Milos Trifunovic (9)
Wanderers – Mitch Nichols (9)

Last Result -
Jets 0 – Wanderers 2 (Aguilar 45+2', Bridge 70') at Hunter Stadium, A-League, Round 12, 24/12/2015.

Starting line-ups from Last Meeting in Season 11 Round 12

Newcastle JetsWestern Sydney Wanderers
Mark BirighittiAndrew Redmayne
Cameron WatsonScott Neville
Daniel MullenAlberto Aguilar
Nigel BoogaardScott Jamieson
Nick CowburnNikolai Topor-Stanley
Mateo PoljakDimas
Ben KantarovskiJacob Pepper
Ryan KittoRomeo Castelen
David CarneyMitch Nichols
Enver AlivodicMark Bridge
Milos TrifunovicFederico Piovaccari



FIXTURE RECORDS


Biggest Win

Jets 2 (Jaliens 37’, Taggart 64’) – Wanderers 0, Round 21, Season 2013/14 at Pirtek Stadium, 02/03/2014.

Heaviest Defeat

Jets 0 – Wanderers 3 (Bridge 6’, 33’, Visconte 80’), Round 27, Season 2012/13 at Hunter Stadium, 29/03/2013.

Leading Scorers in fixture –


Jets - Adam Taggart (3)
Wanderers - Mark Bridge (5)



2015/16 SEASON STATISTICS

NumberNameAppearancesStartsSubstitute AppearancesSubbed offMinutes PlayedGoalsAssistsYellow CardsRed - Second BookableStraight Red
1Mark Birighitti212101187900200
2Daniel Mullen151500131800210
3Jason Hoffman212101188700800
4Nigel Boogaard171701146400220
5Ben Kantarovski171342116820510
6Cameron Watson16124897800400
7Enver Alivodic222204190813100
8Mateo Poljak212101187701600
9Milos Trifunovic212106178990400
10Leonardo Vitor Santiago1513211103102000
11Labinot Haliti21112400000
13Ki-Je Lee880072001100
14Mitch Cooper1138327410000
17Radovan Pavicevic60608700200
20Ben Kennedy211010100000
22Lachlan Jackson151232111300000
23David Carney151503133434600
24Nick Cowburn1798293200300
25Brandon Lundy10107500000
27Braedyn Crowley817020200000
28Ryan Kitto1385767311100



COACHING

Coaches Head to Head – 2 matches
Scott Miller - 0 wins, Tony Popovic - 2 wins, 0 drawn

Newcastle Jets A-League Coaching Records –

Scott Miller - 2 matches (0 wins, 0 drawn, 2 losses = 0% win ratio)
Phil Stubbins - 3 matches (1 win, 2 drawn, 0 losses = 33% win ratio)
Gary Van Egmond – 4 matches (1 win, 0 drawn and 3 losses = 25% win ratio)
Richard Money - No Matches
Branko Culina - No Matches
Nick Theodorakopoulos - No Matches
Craig Deans - No Matches
Clayton Zane – 2 matches (1 win, 1 drawn, 0 losses = 50% win ratio)

Western Sydney Wanderers Coach Record – Tony Popovic 45% win ratio (5 wins, 3 drawn, 3 losses)




KEY FACTS:

General

The Jets have never defeated Western Sydney at home.
Five of the 13 goals scored in this fixture at Hunter Stadium have been scored after the 80th minute.
Newcastle have only played the Wanderers once on a Sunday, a match which they won 2-0.
There has never been a crowd smaller than 10000 at Hunter Stadium present for a match between these teams.



Players

The last 5 goals the Jets have scored against the Wanderers have been scored by Visa players.
Milos Trifunovic and Cameron Watson are both one yellow card from an automatic suspension.
Jason Hoffman will sit out the match after collecting 8 yellow cards during the season. Daniel Mullen will also be absent following his red card last match.
Nikolai Topor-Stanley has been booked in both matches between these teams this season.
A player has been sent off in the last 4 matches at Hunter Stadium.



Newcastle Jets

The last time the Jets lost after travelling to Perth was 23/11/08. The W-D-L record since is 6-3-0.
The Jets last won 3 in a row at home back in November 2011.
Trifunovic has scored 4 goals in the last 4 games at Hunter Stadium.



Western Sydney Wanderers

The Jets have only won once at home when Liam Reddy is in goals for the opposition.
The Wanderers have received 2 penalties in their last two visits to Hunter Stadium, both in the final 15 minutes of the match.

[lil_masi]

cards were reset after round 21

[MFKS]

Stats are telling 13 cards in 11 matches Wankers have received against us.
How the **** does a physical side like that chalk up a stat like that??

Add in some dodgy penalties and general shit refereeing ie Ben Williams Griff's homecoming game

****s have the FFA in their pocket still

[halo se7en]

If they play like they did Friday night we have a shot. If we play like we did Monday night, we don't have a shot.

[Jeterpool]

cards were reset after round 21

Ah ok. Thanks

[Jeterpool]

For the third consecutive year, we've been selected as part of the Japanese referee exchange.

Koichiro Fukushima is the referee this weekend.

[Hunter403]

Japanese ref has to better than that pr1ck from last weekend

[lquiquer]

For the third consecutive year, we've been selected as part of the Japanese referee exchange.

Koichiro Fukushima is the referee this weekend.

Koichiro ****uShitney .....we should be right

[Superdylan]

Expecting us to bounce back at home. We weren't bad for a majority of the game last week. Perth was always going to be a tough trek.

Our winning draught against WSW at home surely has to end. Also we have beaten the wanderers at least once each season part this one.

1-0 nordstand goal

[StannyCFCJET]

if the whole team works hard at pressing the opposition when they have the ball and if we don't try hail mary long balls and play simple short passes when there's space id back us to get a result.

[Jetmaster]

Please all have your cameras ready for "flarewatch".

[MFKS]

Expecting us to bounce back at home. We weren't bad for a majority of the game last week. Perth was always going to be a tough trek.

Our winning draught against WSW at home surely has to end. Also we have beaten the wanderers at least once each season part this one.

1-0 nordstand goal

Weren't you the same bloke spruiking yesterday with great confidence you expected the Knights to beat Souths??

How that work out SD??

[Jetmaster]

Did he really think that? FMD...most reckoned if Souths scored less than 50 it would be like a win though.

Knoughts look like spooners already.

[MFKS]

Did he really think that? FMD...most reckoned if Souths scored less than 50 it would be like a win though.

Knoughts look like spooners already.

Yep

Anyone who has him on Facebook will confirm he was confident pre game yesterday

[The Dunster]

25mins gone.

The story so far.

Wanderers 1 Jets 0
Milos is yet to touch the ball and Boogaard and Kanta Combination is completely ****ing useless.

[The Dunster]

ffs - The Jets are terrible today.

Lucky to not be two or three goals behind

[plague]

This is good garbage.
Scando is rubbish. Jets fans already tearing up the 3 year hypothetical contract they gave him last week.

Miller out.

[Couscous]

Oops, I forgot.

I hereby declare support for the Jets this round. Though it's getting pretty tough.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Alivodic is a joke

[weston]

****. I fell asleep for the last 15 of the half. Did I miss much?

[The Dunster]

Miller needs to bring Watson on so we at least have an excuse for playing this poorly.

[hawk]

trif is honking. his other goals mean fkall now

[Retro Jet]

Ya gotta pity the Where's Wally's.
Think of what the pr!cks have to go home to...

[MFKS]

Now I love a good old lash at Millertime more than most.

But exactly what the **** was he watching out there today??

At no stage did I ever think we were in the game.

Where were the subs??

Where was the changes in tactics??

Where were the formation changes??

To be fair our opponents win fair and square and should have won by more

But what the **** was our coach doing to change the flow of the game??


He basically picked the team and washed his hands of the responsibility he has as a coach as soon as kick off occurred


Our blokes were second best all day long.

Yet nothing changed from the bench.

Why the **** not???

[StannyCFCJET]

Now I love a good old lash at Millertime more than most.

But exactly what the **** was he watching out there today??

At no stage did I ever think we were in the game.

Where were the subs??

Where was the changes in tactics??

Where were the formation changes??

To be fair our opponents win fair and square and should have won by more

But what the **** was our coach doing to change the flow of the game??


He basically picked the team and washed his hands of the responsibility he has as a coach as soon as kick off occurred


Our blokes were second best all day long.

Yet nothing changed from the bench.

Why the **** not???

100% pissed me off all game

[steve136]

I agree with the above sentiments - Miller seems to be unable to react to what is happening during the game.

A couple of other points from the game:

1. Trif is just a terrible, terrible striker and looks like he's here on holiday. He can't hold the ball up, he can't shoot the ball, he can't stretch the backline...I honestly don't understand those who want to keep him around. As we covered last week, all his goals have either been from 1 yard, or from penalties he didn't earn, bar 2 nice headers. Is it really worth keeping a guy around that scored 2 nice goals all season and has offered zero in terms of assists, holding the ball up etc...? Perhaps what grates me the most though is his defensive effort, where he sometimes jogs to cover a player, but you can tell he's just going through the motions.

2. Alivodic. Not much to say here. The guy is the worst player I have ever seen in the A-league on the ball and has zero composure/final product/decision making abilities. Cost us at least half a dozen chances today through his sloppy, inept play. We will never be a successful team if he is on the field.

3. When it comes to Leonardo, I would say we shouldn't bother keeping him around UNLESS we find some strikers with speed. He's the creative #10 we've been looking for for a long time, and we always look more dangerous when he has the ball. But he can only be utilized when there are players around him to make runs, and currently those players are not on our team. Find those players, or we will just be wasting him out on the field.

4. Birighitti is way too good for us, although we are offering him plenty of opportunities to add to his highlight reel. Unlucky not to nab a goal at the end. What impressed me most about his shot was that it was hit far better than anything Trif and Alivodic have got off this season, even if it was blocked.

On the plus side, it actually is enjoyable to watch us play at times, especially in the second half tonight. Great turnout at the game, although it was sad to see the crowd showing much more energy than the players in the first 45 minutes.

[plague]

yeah see i was waiting for the 'Milos is garbage' brigade tonight.
many lulz to be had when he got the studs stuck in the ground late in the first half.

but before turning the outrage machine to 10 do me a favour and go watch the 20 seconds before that. we haven't had a striker on our team do that since Griff.
dead set not joking.

everyone saw the poor final touch, i bet none of you remember how the **** the ball got up there.


anyway though lets go back to pretending that someone like Drogba is coming here etc etc etc

Miller OUT

[plague]

Perhaps what grates me the most though is his defensive effort, where he sometimes jogs to cover a player, but you can tell he's just going through the motions.


oh heres one.
see, you're not watching the game with talk like this.

you wanna hate? then hate away, no problem. but don't be out here pretending you're running this through any medium of fairness.

[steve136]

but before turning the outrage machine to 10 do me a favour and go watch the 20 seconds before that.


Nah. I'm plenty happy to conclude that he is sh*t from the 1800+ minutes I've watched him walk around and pretend to give a f*ck.

[steve136]

oh heres one.
see, you're not watching the game with talk like this.

you wanna hate? then hate away, no problem. but don't be out here pretending you're running this through any medium of fairness.

I took a friend with me to the game today who was in from overseas and hadn't been to an a-league game before. His first question to me was - "why doesn't the guy with the long sleeves run?"

[plague]

Perhaps what grates me the most though is his defensive effort, where he sometimes jogs to cover a player, but you can tell he's just going through the motions.


yes you're correct because unless you run lots and lots and lots then you are a garbage footballer.........

unless of course....yanno.....
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/walking-is-for-geniuses-leo-messi-ran-less-than-any-barca-outfield-player-v-arsenal/

[plague]

I took a friend with me to the game today who was in from overseas and hadn't been to an a-league game before. His first question to me was - "why doesn't the guy with the long sleeves run?"

ah, so thats you AND your friend (who is a foreigner ergo football expert then yeah?).
the argument is complete. there is no comeback.

if you come back at me me with "they" said, then I'm tapping out quicker than Holly Holm.

[steve136]

yes you're correct because unless you run lots and lots and lots then you are a garbage footballer.........

unless of course....yanno.....
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/walking-is-for-geniuses-leo-messi-ran-less-than-any-barca-outfield-player-v-arsenal/

Don't get me wrong. I don't think Trif is a garbage player because he doesn't "run lots and lots".

I think Trif is a garbage player because he he doesn't make intelligent runs, he doesn't hold the ball up well, he doesn't make good decisions with the ball and he can't hit the ball unless it's on the penalty spot. His abysmal effort in defence is just something that upsets me, perhaps because it's combined with all the above traits I mentioned.

[steve136]

ah, so thats you AND your friend (who is a foreigner ergo football expert then yeah?).
the argument is complete. there is no comeback.

if you come back at me me with "they" said, then I'm tapping out quicker than Holly Holm.

Nah, American actually. Barely had a clue what was going on. No attempt to appeal for authority by me, just interesting that the first thing he noticed is something that had been a pet peeve of mine all year.

[plague]

Don't get me wrong. I don't think Trif is a garbage player because he doesn't "run lots and lots".

I think Trif is a garbage player because he he doesn't make intelligent runs, he doesn't hold the ball up well, he doesn't make good decisions with the ball and he can't hit the ball unless it's on the penalty spot. His abysmal effort in defence is just something that upsets me, perhaps because it's combined with all the above traits I mentioned.


amazing that he has scored all those goals then huh. as for 'intelligent' runs and 'good decisions' geez id hate to be with you and your international marquee friend during games. you seem to have a level of insight that not many have.

good for you.

[plague]

Nah, American actually. Barely had a clue what was going on. No attempt to appeal for authority by me, just interesting that the first thing he noticed is something that had been a pet peeve of mine all year.


well it kind of sounds like he's just backing up your argument, and considering his bona fides that you laid out well, umm, I'm not sure i wanna stand shoulder to shoulder in the debate club with him.

[The Dunster]

http://www.thehaguephotojournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/AV-Sparta-Athletics-Club-host-5K-Charity-Run-with-Marathon-World-Record-Holder-Wilson-Kipsang-West-Vliet-The-Hague-4267.jpg

Club needs to sign this bloke. He's never played before but he's an awesome runner.

[steve136]

amazing that he has scored all those goals then huh. as for 'intelligent' runs and 'good decisions' geez id hate to be with you and your international marquee friend during games. you seem to have a level of insight that not many have.

good for you.

To be fair, it doesn't take a great deal of intelligence to run to the ball when it's on the penalty spot and everyone is waiting for you to kick it. In Trif's defence, he has hit three nice headers this season, and did chase through well on Noddy's ball against the Phoenix, which he managed to put away. I'd just like to see a little more from our import striker. For me, the good isn't outweighing the bad.



well it kind of sounds like he's just backing up your argument, and considering his bona fides that you laid out well, umm, I'm not sure i wanna stand shoulder to shoulder in the debate club with him.

You're right. I didn't mean to frame my point as being definitively proven by another's opinion. You are kind of strawmanning my argument about his work-rate though.

[StannyCFCJET]

Triffo is Rubbish all his goals bar two which were headers have been lucky if you think his season has been acceptable then you have low standards for our foreginers

[plague]

you're making out like pens are easy too yeah?
Milos steps up, has he missed yet? (legit not sure).
Messi and Suarez both at 50% this year.

can't be that easy then yeah?

[plague]

Triffo is Rubbish all his goals bar two which were headers have been lucky if you think his season has been acceptable then you have low standards for our foreginers

lazy
lucky

all the tributes coming out tonight.

[steve136]

you're making out like pens are easy too yeah?
trip steps up, has he missed yet? (legit not sure).
Messi and Suarez both at 50% this year.

can't be that easy then yeah?

Not at all! I'm very happy that he has put away 4 from 4 in the penalty department. In fact, as a club, penalties seem to have been the one area that we are in fact ahead of the curve - putting away our penalties at a slighter higher lick than the league average.

Trif has been great from the penalty spot. He has put them away with both confidence and composure, which is not an easy thing to do. If he had shown these same traits when not taking a penalty, I would have no problem with him. Unfortunately, I don't believe this has been the case.

[Frodo]

To be fair, it doesn't take a great deal of intelligence to run to the ball when it's on the penalty spot and everyone is waiting for you to kick it. In Trif's defence, he has hit three nice headers this season, and did chase through well on Noddy's ball against the Phoenix, which he managed to put away. I'd just like to see a little more from our import striker. For me, the good isn't outweighing the bad.

We all have opinions, back them up with fact and people like Plague won't shoot you down. There are these pesky things called defenders that also like to run to the exact same spot you are going to. If we had a Jamie Maclaren up front i'd agree that he should be sprinting into the box all day but that isn't what Milos is about. That said, he was still poor today. But he didn't lose us the game.

We were poor across the park. Urga was absent for large portions of the game from what i saw. Enver was marked/fouled out of the game by Jamieson and had some horrific touches. Nobby was just as rubbish. Neither of our wingers tracked back tonight and we got slaughtered out wide.

The main thing that stuck for me tonight was our abhorrent excuse for crosses. Leo couldn't send anything decent in from open play and no one else could either. Everyone is talking about 'making runs' but we have a target man. Get in an attacking position, hold the ball up and whip in a cross. We just kept hitting Topor all day.

Wingers were crap, midfield was crap, fullbacks were crap and the rest were rubbish too.

Let's just beat the scum and finish above Sydney. We don't deserve finals football this year.

[Frodo]

Milos has 1 job, score goals. He has scored goals. Deal with it.

No one else on the team seems to be able to score. Where is the hate for them?

Leo is an import and he can't score, assist or defend. But supposedly he is the missing link to solve all our problems??

[StannyCFCJET]

you're making out like pens are easy too yeah?
Milos steps up, has he missed yet? (legit not sure).
Messi and Suarez both at 50% this year.

can't be that easy then yeah?

leonardo and sometimes Enver and Nordstrand set up attacking chances and the few that we create triffo either isnt in position or he wastes them nuff said

[StannyCFCJET]

Milos has 1 job, score goals. He has scored goals. Deal with it.

No one else on the team seems to be able to score. Where is the hate for them?

Leo is an import and he can't score, assist or defend. But supposedly he is the missing link to solve all our problems??

Oh Dw im ****ing fed up with Leo and Enver as well. Noddy also needs to play central before i make a judgment on him

[steve136]

We all have opinions, back them up with fact and people like Plague won't shoot you down. There are these pesky things called defenders that also like to run to the exact same spot you are going to. If we had a Jamie Maclaren up front i'd agree that he should be sprinting into the box all day but that isn't what Milos is about.


This kind of gets to the heart of my problem with Trif. What exactly is he "about"?

If he's not the guy to make fast runs into the box, he's not the guy to make runs in behind the defence, he's not the guy that holds up the ball particularly well, he's not the guy to get an assist every now and then, he's not the guy can shoot from range, he's not the guy that will be in the right spot at the right time etc...what is he?

As I've acknowledged, he does take penalties well. But I'm not sure that should be our number 1 criteria for an import striker. I really want him to work out with us, as bringing in another guy next season up front wouldn't solve everything immediately, not to mention the whole tedious process of waiting for the new player to arrive, settle in and acclimatise. But I'm genuinely lost on what Trif brings to our team.

[steve136]

Milos has 1 job, score goals. He has scored goals. Deal with it.

No one else on the team seems to be able to score. Where is the hate for them?

Leo is an import and he can't score, assist or defend. But supposedly he is the missing link to solve all our problems??

I would contend that Leo creates plenty of chances that should go down as assists, but due to the ineptitude around him players are unable to take the chances they are given. But that's a whole different argument.

I am not particularly thrilled with any of our foreign players though, as I doubt any of us are.

[plague]

leonardo and sometimes Enver and Nordstrand set up attacking chances and the few that we create triffo either isnt in position or he wastes them nuff said

go back and watch the chance that he ultimately stuffed up that i spoke about earlier. Leo and Nobby don't get near the ball unless Milos starts it 70m back down the field.
before you start mashing your face on the keyboard making silly posts watch the damn game.

[Frodo]

This kind of gets to the heart of my problem with Trif. What exactly is he "about"?

If he's not the guy to make fast runs into the box, he's not the guy to make runs in behind the defence, he's not the guy that holds up the ball particularly well, he's not the guy to get an assist every now and then, he's not the guy can shoot from range, he's not the guy that will be in the right spot at the right time etc...what is he?

As I've acknowledged, he does take penalties well. But I'm not sure that should be our number 1 criteria for an import striker. I really want him to work out with us, as bringing in another guy next season up front wouldn't solve everything immediately, not to mention the whole tedious process of waiting for the new player to arrive, settle in and acclimatise. But I'm genuinely lost on what Trif brings to our team.

He can hold the ball up, but he isn't world class at it. He has a very good touch for such a big guy and he does have the ability to bring others into play. But as a team we are honking at moving into dangerous areas. I'm not saying he is the best striker we can find, but he is the best we've got and he isn't the reason we are 7th. He is however a large part of the reason we are not 10th tho.

Equal 6th best goal scorer in the league. Equal with Harry Novillo, Mark Bridge and Mitch Nichols. All from teams far ahead of us in the league and in quality.

[StannyCFCJET]

go back and watch the chance that he ultimately stuffed up that i spoke about earlier. Leo and Nobby don't get near the ball unless Milos starts it 70m back down the field.
before you start mashing your face on the keyboard making silly posts watch the damn game.

i watch every jets game and i see Milos either fail to get on the end of through balls or crosses into the box. Fail to win majority of headers when challenging with CBs. Fail to hold up the ball most times which leads to lost possession. Waste chances to score when the chance arrives cause he takes too long and defender catches up or shoots completely off target. The odd good pass or hold up play and the odd penalty doesnt excuse any of this but hey if your happy with a striker like triff leading the line Plauge enjoy not playing finals football

[Frodo]

i watch every jets game and i see Milos either fail to get on the end of through balls or crosses into the box. Fail to win majority of headers when challenging with CBs. Fail to hold at the ball most times which leads to lost possession. Fail to short when the chance arrives cause he takes to long and defender catches up or shoots completely off target. The odd good pass or hold play and the odd penalty doesnt excuse any of this but hey if your happy with a striker like triff leading the line Plauge enjoy not playing finals football

Who should we have upfront then??

[StannyCFCJET]

Who should we have upfront then??

maybe try one of the young blokes now season is pretty much over or play norstrand at striker

[plague]

This kind of gets to the heart of my problem with Trif. What exactly is he "about"?

If he's not the guy to make fast runs into the box, he's not the guy to make runs in behind the defence, he's not the guy that holds up the ball particularly well, he's not the guy to get an assist every now and then, he's not the guy can shoot from range, he's not the guy that will be in the right spot at the right time etc...what is he?


now see this is an excellent point.

i don't know jack about Milos before he got here but id be willing to wager good money he's been the exact same type of player back then as is he now.

now if we went and brought him and set up our game plan to go against everything the bloke is good at then the haters should be pointing that outrage machine over to the blokes in the Bunnings chairs rather than the player.

[steve136]

He can hold the ball up, but he isn't world class at it. He has a very good touch for such a big guy and he does have the ability to bring others into play. But as a team we are honking at moving into dangerous areas. I'm not saying he is the best striker we can find, but he is the best we've got and he isn't the reason we are 7th. He is however a large part of the reason we are not 10th tho.

Equal 6th best goal scorer in the league. Equal with Harry Novillo, Mark Bridge and Mitch Nichols. All from teams far ahead of us in the league and in quality.

That's fair. I'm probably being too harsh on his ability to hold the ball up and distribute, especially given that a lot of the time he is all by himself with no Jets player within 20m when he receives the ball.

Regarding the fact he is level with goals to those guys, do they take penalties for their teams? I feel that's an important factor to consider when comparing goal totals.

[Frodo]

maybe try one of the young blokes now season is pretty much over or play norstrand at striker

What young blokes do you think are gonna do a better job?? I hate this crap so much.

"he is crap, so let's put someone who is worse in there but give them an excuse cause they are young!!"

That's not how you build players or clubs.

Did Triff cost us this game today? Not at all, we played like crap and wanderers didn't.

[Frodo]

That's fair. I'm probably being too harsh on his ability to hold the ball up and distribute, especially given that a lot of the time he is all by himself with no Jets player within 20m when he receives the ball.

Regarding the fact he is level with goals to those guys, do they take penalties for their teams? I feel that's an important factor to consider when comparing goal totals.

No it isn't, he gets paid to score goals. They win you as many points if they are from the spot or from your own half.

[plague]

i watch every jets game and i see Milos either fail to get on the end of through balls or crosses into the box. Fail to win majority of headers when challenging with CBs. Fail to hold up the ball most times which leads to lost possession. Waste chances to score when the chance arrives cause he takes too long and defender catches up or shoots completely off target. The odd good pass or hold up play and the odd penalty doesnt excuse any of this but hey if your happy with a striker like triff leading the line Plauge enjoy not playing finals football


hey man you once believed in the tooth fairy and santa claus too.

come back to me with some legit proof/stats or keep putting that glass of milk out on Christmas eve slugger.

[steve136]

now if we went and brought him and set up our game plan to go against everything the bloke is good at then the haters should be pointing that outrage machine over to the blokes in the Bunnings chairs rather than the player.

That's an interesting take, and shows a flaw in why I think he's not contributing enough. I have been focused 100% on his performances in his current role, without even stopping to consider whether this is the way he should be used. Definitely food for thought. I'd be fascinated to see how he was used in his previous clubs, especially considering his goal tally was pretty handy at a few of them.

[StannyCFCJET]

hey man you once believed in the tooth fairy and santa claus too.

come back to me with some legit proof/stats or keep putting that glass of milk out on Christmas eve slugger.

well then you tell me how he's soo good without the pens he'd only have 4 goals im pretty sure and he can score pens but id rather he score from open play

[steve136]

No it isn't, he gets paid to score goals. They win you as many points if they are from the spot or from your own half.

Right, so here we disagree. Penalties are converted at a 76% rate on average, and there's a handful of players on the team that could do this.

You attacked Leonardo for not producing earlier. So if we had let him take our penalties - let's assume he converted at an average rate. He has 3 goals and Trif has 5. Would you then be satisfied by Leo's production from midfield but disenfranchised by Trif's output?

It's also fair to consider that he hasn't earned any of these penalties himself. These factors to me are more important than a black-and-white "goal" total.

[plague]

well then you tell me how he's soo good without the pens he'd only have 4 goals im pretty sure and he can score pens but id rather he score from open play

nah man, see you can't bag the guy out for being lazy then go and want someone else to help your argument for you.

you know, cause that kind of makes you look....lazy.

[StannyCFCJET]

nah man, see you can't bag the guy out for being lazy then go and want someone else to help your argument for you.

you know, cause that kind of makes you look....lazy.

Lets just agree to disagree but if Triffo is still there next season mark my words we wont make finals and it will down to his lack of goals

[Frodo]

Lets just agree to disagree but if Triffo is still there next season mark my words we wont make finals and it will down to his lack of goals

No worries, you just made it into my diary right next to the entry when i describe how much my parents cramp my style when i see people in shopping centres... lol.

You're the one doing the attacking, we are just poking holes in your so called "facts''.

[Frodo]

Everyone does realize that we conceded a goal, and that was the reason we lost today??

If we had a 0-0 draw then maybe you can blame the striker for missing chances. Just thought i'd throw that out there.

[steve136]

Everyone does realize that we conceded a goal, and that was the reason we lost today??

If we had a 0-0 draw then maybe you can blame the striker for missing chances. Just thought i'd throw that out there.

Yes, but the vitriol directed towards the guys up top is like a snowball that been building all season.

We're equal fifth best in terms of goals conceded this season. Not the best, but not bad by our standards.

We're last in terms of goals scored, 5 behind even CCM.

So while you're absolutely correct that if we hadn't conceded today we wouldn't have lost, it's hard to argue against the idea that our real weakness this season has been our ability to score goals, rather than prevent them.

As I said, your point is definitely right. But given the framework of our season, it's understandable that a lot of frustration is vented towards our strikers.

[plague]

Lets just agree to disagree but if Triffo is still there next season mark my words we wont make finals and it will down to his lack of goals

Well, I'll agree that your argument is threadbare but in fairness next season I'll sit on the halfway line with my hand over one eye so I don't see the defending half of the field.

By the end of the season I'll have no choice but to blame those darn strikers.

Good day.

[plague]

We're equal fifth best in terms of goals conceded this season. Not the best, but not bad by our standards.

We're last in terms of goals scored, 5 behind even CCM.


We are also 1st (so....last?) in clearances which prob means we are spending way more time in our defensive third, and prob lucky we haven't conceded more goals (your earlier point about Biraz was legit spot on though).


But


Watching the games we just look so disjointed compared to other teams. We don't 'seem' to score a lot of well worked team goals where everything goes to plan. We scramble at both ends of the park. For that you can blame a variety of things, but certainly not one bloke in particular.

[MFKS]

You ****s defending Milos ain't fooling me


If I was here saying he is great you would be telling us why he is shit


You might be fooling the plebs but you ain't fooling me

[borat]

Today's game has me shifting camp away from re-signing Trifunovic. I just don't think he does enough off the ball and he isn't scoring regularly enough for that to be forgotten. For mine I have seen enough for Leo and Nobby to be re-signed but Trifunivic and Alividoc to go.

Now we can't make the semis, would like to see Nobby given the opportunity to lead the line.

[furns]

Personally, after weighing up recent performances Triff Leo and Enver can go. I would be keeping Morten only

[MFKS]

Quite frankly not that upset we lost.

Take great comfort that we beat the Gypos they are finishing last and we ain't


Season is a raging success


More pissed at the lack of action from the Management to change the fate of the game.

Losing is one thing and we have had plenty of experience but go down swinging FFS

[halo se7en]

Go down swinging? The last 15 minutes our mob showed more life than the first 75 minutes.

No coincidence that Milos was off in that period. He has to go. I was supportive of him a month or two ago when he started to find some momentum, but my initial point remains. He doesn't look hungry enough and doesn't work hard enough. Watch the chances he butchered just yesterday and it's a combination of laziness, lack of killer instinct, lack of any footballing intelligence. So what are we getting from him?

And who was stupid enough to bring up Nichols & Novillo when comparing goals scored? Those guys aren't strikers, nor are they the outright top scorers in their teams. Novillo's not even City's second best. We definitely struggle for goals all over the park & those positions should also be addressed, but that doesn't take away from Milos. As an import he's held to a higher standard, and he's simply not good enough. We might as well have signed Blake Powell, who's Australian, playing in a worse team, and who doesn't need dot shots to help his tally.

[Couscous]

Sadness :(

[Jeterpool]

The way football is played in this league, you need quick, mobile front 3 - at the very least a striker. Look at the successful teams in the league and the attributes of the striker they have - Berisha, Maclaren, Bridge, Fornaroli, Keogh. They are all pretty similar. Teams without a mobile front 3 are struggling - Sydney, Wellington, Us and the Gypos. The team that don't conform to this are Adelaide. They're probably a good example how a team who break away from the type of striker mentioned can be successful. There's no reason with Milos leading the line we can't be successful - we just can't expect him to do what the rest of the league do.

Our problem is simply scoring goals and I think it's more to do with the front 4 unit than 1 individual player. Not including yesterday, we've had 193 shots on goal this season. We've have 51 on target - just under 2.5 per match. We've scored 20 goals so the conversion is pretty good. Behind Milos, our leading scorer is on 3 and he's now playing for a team two hours down the road. Behind him is Kanta and Norstrand who have scored 2 each. We've only had 8 different scorers which is even less than the shambles of a season last year when we had 10.

Plague makes a good point - the chance Milos fluffed in the first half was only a chance because of his excellent ball out to Enver. He then busted a gut to get in the box but ran out of steam. He wlaos pressed a number of times to close down.

Instead of lambasting Milos, I think we need to look at the front 4 unit as a whole. Their tracking back yesterday was poor. Leomardo, while positive when he has the ball in so much as he's always looking to run forward, he sooks everytime he's dispossessed or the play breaks down. Nordstrand was less effective this week and the same can be said for the last. Enver seems able to break the play down well - it's a shame it's more often than not our attacking move.

The Wanderers pressed very well as a unit yesterday and it forced our play and created countless turnovers. Bridge pressed from the front and really impressed me. Overall our players looked lost, looked on a different wavelength. Almost like they were strangers and hadn't played together.

My theory - they played their grand final two weeks ago and it's taking some time to recover from that. But our front unit needs to be refreshed. I would start by dropping Enver and Milos. I'd move Nordstrand central and retain Leo. I'd introduce Kitto or Cooper left, Lundy or Brennan right.

[Nou Camp]

Everyone does realize that we conceded a goal, and that was the reason we lost today??

If we had a 0-0 draw then maybe you can blame the striker for missing chances. Just thought i'd throw that out there.

well we went how many games in a row without scoring during the season
you cant go into a game purely relying on not conceding, this isn't the serie a
we will more often than note concede

[De-Champ]

well we went how many games in a row without scoring during the season
you cant go into a game purely relying on not conceding, this isn't the serie a
we will more often than note concede

The serie A don't play that way anymore.

[De-Champ]

The way football is played in this league, you need quick, mobile front 3 - at the very least a striker. Look at the successful teams in the league and the attributes of the striker they have - Berisha, Maclaren, Bridge, Fornaroli, Keogh. They are all pretty similar. Teams without a mobile front 3 are struggling - Sydney, Wellington, Us and the Gypos. The team that don't conform to this are Adelaide. They're probably a good example how a team who break away from the type of striker mentioned can be successful. There's no reason with Milos leading the line we can't be successful - we just can't expect him to do what the rest of the league do.

Our problem is simply scoring goals and I think it's more to do with the front 4 unit than 1 individual player. Not including yesterday, we've had 193 shots on goal this season. We've have 51 on target - just under 2.5 per match. We've scored 20 goals so the conversion is pretty good. Behind Milos, our leading scorer is on 3 and he's now playing for a team two hours down the road. Behind him is Kanta and Norstrand who have scored 2 each. We've only had 8 different scorers which is even less than the shambles of a season last year when we had 10.

Plague makes a good point - the chance Milos fluffed in the first half was only a chance because of his excellent ball out to Enver. He then busted a gut to get in the box but ran out of steam. He wlaos pressed a number of times to close down.

Instead of lambasting Milos, I think we need to look at the front 4 unit as a whole. Their tracking back yesterday was poor. Leomardo, while positive when he has the ball in so much as he's always looking to run forward, he sooks everytime he's dispossessed or the play breaks down. Nordstrand was less effective this week and the same can be said for the last. Enver seems able to break the play down well - it's a shame it's more often than not our attacking move.

The Wanderers pressed very well as a unit yesterday and it forced our play and created countless turnovers. Bridge pressed from the front and really impressed me. Overall our players looked lost, looked on a different wavelength. Almost like they were strangers and hadn't played together.

My theory - they played their grand final two weeks ago and it's taking some time to recover from that. But our front unit needs to be refreshed. I would start by dropping Enver and Milos. I'd move Nordstrand central and retain Leo. I'd introduce Kitto or Cooper left, Lundy or Brennan right.

The CCM have a very mobile front three. Austin and Ferrera (spelling) are two of the quickest going around.

[MFKS]

Go down swinging? The last 15 minutes our mob showed more life than the first 75 minutes.

No coincidence that Milos was off in that period. He has to go. I was supportive of him a month or two ago when he started to find some momentum, but my initial point remains. He doesn't look hungry enough and doesn't work hard enough. Watch the chances he butchered just yesterday and it's a combination of laziness, lack of killer instinct, lack of any footballing intelligence. So what are we getting from him?

And who was stupid enough to bring up Nichols & Novillo when comparing goals scored? Those guys aren't strikers, nor are they the outright top scorers in their teams. Novillo's not even City's second best. We definitely struggle for goals all over the park & those positions should also be addressed, but that doesn't take away from Milos. As an import he's held to a higher standard, and he's simply not good enough. We might as well have signed Blake Powell, who's Australian, playing in a worse team, and who doesn't need dot shots to help his tally.
I would say the reason why we looked better in the last 15 was down to

Wankers shutting up shop. They stopped playing and looked to see it out
Also their legs went a little and the fatigue set in. They were not pressing but holding position

To give us credit for getting something to happen at this time is stretching the truth.

The initiative was given to us

We never took it

[BodyNovo]

after yesterday I'm on the keep Leo bus

he was ****ing immense, I just wish he had some better players around him. His first touch has to be one of the best in the league

Enver I feel so sorry for, if he played in an empty stadium and took a breath before every decision he made I reckon he would nail it, unfortunately that isn't happening. He gets himself in great positions but his decision making is probably the worst in the team.

Thought Cowburn was excellent again, steve u was immense as well.

I actually think we played well just didn't take our chances but wanderers didn't as well, thank god castellan can't shoot to save his life.

Legitimately I think we are 3-4 players short to compete.

[Jetmaster]

I already brought it up in the supporters thread..

http://www.newcastlefootball.net/forum/showthread.php?1669-Squadron-Statement-Time-for-Change&p=147348#post147348

But did anyone else experience numerous WSW fans sitting in their hard earned and paid for members areas? I was absolutely gob-smacked how many were in the gold and silver areas of the western stand, apparently "to get out of the sun". No challenge from the secos because there are none in the whole western stand to check tix.

And what is the latest of how the oppressed Squadron went yesterday?

[WolfMan]

I had been hesitant to jump on the "Enver Out" bandwagon, but yesterday summed it up for me. He is atrocious.

Not sure what happened to the positive, attacking threat he was last season. Perhaps he just looked good compared to what we dished up before he arrived?

He is quite literally a waste of money and more importantly, a visa spot.

Can never fault his level of effort, but it's time to say goodbye


http://youtu.be/4L_yCwFD6Jo

[Nou Camp]

I had been hesitant to jump on the "Enver Out" bandwagon, but yesterday summed it up for me. He is atrocious.

Not sure what happened to the positive, attacking threat he was last season. Perhaps he just looked good compared to what we dished up before he arrived?

He is quite literally a waste of money and more importantly, a visa spot.

Can never fault his level of effort, but it's time to say goodbye


http://youtu.be/4L_yCwFD6Jo

and the award for the song that will now be stuck in my head for the next few days goes to

[q-money]

old too many touches enver stunk it up yesterday. ya can't fault the bloke for having a red hot go, it's just his decision making is so, so awful.

how many times could he have just hit something into the box instead of doing that ridiculous cutback and getting robbed? yeeeeesh

i know that the triff rustles everyones jimmies but if he doesn't slip in the first half after that frankly brilliant set-up play - and gets a decent shot away, he looks like a genius.

frustrating game, west sydney the far better pressing team but they seemed to just take their foot off the gas in the last half hour. what ya wouldn't give for a griff or a taggz that can take the game by the scruff of the neck in that situation when the pressure comes slightly off.

[baldrick]

i know that the triff rustles everyones jimmies but if he doesn't slip in the first half after that frankly brilliant set-up play - and gets a decent shot away, he looks like a genius.

My problem with Triff is he does that every game.

After good lead up play, he gets the into a great position & he loses control of the ball or falls over or makes a bad decision and passes to a teammate in a worse position.

[halo se7en]

You wanted them to go down swinging. Whether it's 'given' to us or we 'take it' makes zero difference. They put in the effort the last 20 and created some chances but unfortunately we don't have anyone seemingly capable of finishing.

[hawk]

You wanted them to go down swinging. Whether it's 'given' to us or we 'take it' makes zero difference. They put in the effort the last 20 and created some chances but unfortunately we don't have anyone seemingly capable of finishing.

Birraz was on target

[plague]

Plague makes a good point


Yeah look I didn't really read most of Jeterpools post but just wanted to bring this to everyone's attention.

Cheers,
Plague.

[turbojetfireV8]

...But our front unit needs to be refreshed. I would start by dropping Enver and Milos. I'd move Nordstrand central and retain Leo. I'd introduce Kitto or Cooper left, Lundy or Brennan right.

Now that we aren't playing for the top six (despite what Scotty may be saying in the press), it is time to start experimenting with these positions, I would love us to have the balls to do what Jeterpool just suggested and blood a few new combos, now is the time to do it.

[Jeterpool]

Yeah look I didn't really read most of Jeterpools post but just wanted to bring this to everyone's attention.

Cheers,
Plague.

I do it just for you. My goal in life is to have a quote in someone's signature.

[Jeterpool]

Now that we aren't playing for the top six (despite what Scotty may be saying in the press), it is time to start experimenting with these positions, I would love us to have the balls to do what Jeterpool just suggested and blood a few new combos, now is the time to do it.

Not just blood them, but work out whether you actually want to retain them or not, once and for all. Especially if the management team know they don't want to retain any of the players currently in the starting XI

[The Dunster]

Yes, but the vitriol directed towards the guys up top is like a snowball that been building all season.

We're equal fifth best in terms of goals conceded this season. Not the best, but not bad by our standards.

We're last in terms of goals scored, 5 behind even CCM.

So while you're absolutely correct that if we hadn't conceded today we wouldn't have lost, it's hard to argue against the idea that our real weakness this season has been our ability to score goals, rather than prevent them.

As I said, your point is definitely right. But given the framework of our season, it's understandable that a lot of frustration is vented towards our strikers.
If we had better defenders we could play higher up the park or in a more attacking formation and put pressure on the opposition.
Instead the team is always on the back foot which allows the opposition to dictate the match and isolate our lone striker.
MIlos is doing fine. IT's the shit beetles surrounding him that's the issue.

[Frodo]

If we had better defenders we could play higher up the park or in a more attacking formation and put pressure on the opposition.
Instead the team is always on the back foot which allows the opposition to dictate the match and isolate our lone striker.
MIlos is doing fine. IT's the shit beetles surrounding him that's the issue.

Very valid point. How many times did Wanderers fullbacks cause us problems compared to ours? We have a go at our strikers/wingers for nor defending but now we need to start having a go at our defenders/midfielders for not helping out in attack.

We need to be able to keep the ball long enough for our fullbacks to get into attacking positions and our midfielders too. Instead we only ever counter attack. Even when Wanderers gave us the ball for the last 20 mins we still went at it 100 mile/hr and coughed up possession/sent in useless crosses. Leo and Enver won some free kicks which we did well with but we had no patience and couldn't move them around like a decent team should.

[q-money]

in a positive: leo's delivery to boogs for that header that hit the woodwork was absolutely spot on, more of that pls

reddy was beaten all ends up

[plague]

Now that we aren't playing for the top six (despite what Scotty may be saying in the press), it is time to start experimenting with these positions, I would love us to have the balls to do what Jeterpool just suggested and blood a few new combos, now is the time to do it.

whilst this is a noble and pro active thought, you do run the risk of pissing off established players by benching them for no reason, and make them watch people audition for their jobs.
plenty of blokes would be straight out the door if that was the case, and you'd sure wanna hope the replacements are up to scratch or else you are doubly screwed.

[MFKS]

Very valid point. How many times did Wanderers fullbacks cause us problems compared to ours? We have a go at our strikers/wingers for nor defending but now we need to start having a go at our defenders/midfielders for not helping out in attack.

We need to be able to keep the ball long enough for our fullbacks to get into attacking positions and our midfielders too. Instead we only ever counter attack. Even when Wanderers gave us the ball for the last 20 mins we still went at it 100 mile/hr and coughed up possession/sent in useless crosses. Leo and Enver won some free kicks which we did well with but we had no patience and couldn't move them around like a decent team should.
To be fair this issue has been exarcebated by our club and suspension.

Hoffman to his credit Bombs forward all day. So any criticism of him should be down to the quality he offers rather than his efforts at getting forward.

We did have left back in Leaky who had the ability to do so but chose to let him go and not replace.

We have then proceeded to plug the hole with Cowburn who although trying hard we can all see how uncomfortable he is at using his left and being on that side of the pitch.

If it Cowburn it is Jackson who despite being left footed looks even less comfortable in that position. Defensively he does OK but in attack he offers nothing.

Watch his body shape everytime he gets the ball. He gets in such a spot he can only play sideways or back

As for getting forward. If he did once we could offer an opinion but he don't


Before criticising the team maybe the Management need the criticism for not employing specialist players in these roles. To me fullback is a very key position in a successful side.

You need attacking threat and defensive strength from the same player as well as a great engine


Why are we putting bandaids in place???

[stopper2]

To be fair this issue has been exarcebated by our club and suspension.

Hoffman to his credit Bombs forward all day. So any criticism of him should be down to the quality he offers rather than his efforts at getting forward.

We did have left back in Leaky who had the ability to do so but chose to let him go and not replace.

We have then proceeded to plug the hole with Cowburn who although trying hard we can all see how uncomfortable he is at using his left and being on that side of the pitch.

If it Cowburn it is Jackson who despite being left footed looks even less comfortable in that position. Defensively he does OK but in attack he offers nothing.

Watch his body shape everytime he gets the ball. He gets in such a spot he can only play sideways or back

As for getting forward. If he did once we could offer an opinion but he don't


Before criticising the team maybe the Management need the criticism for not employing specialist players in these roles. To me fullback is a very key position in a successful side.

You need attacking threat and defensive strength from the same player as well as a great engine


Why are we putting bandaids in place???

This!

[GazFish35]

As fans we also fall into the trap of forgetting this is essentially a development league and players we sign, as a poor acheiveing club in a development league are going to need developing.

[Fairgo]

Not just blood them, but work out whether you actually want to retain them or not, once and for all. Especially if the management team know they don't want to retain any of the players currently in the starting XI

I think they have already made it pretty clear what their intentions are with these players hence the reason they are not playing.

[De-Champ]

As fans we also fall into the trap of forgetting this is essentially a development league and players we sign, as a poor acheiveing club in a development league are going to need developing.

It is also Australia's best league.
What league in the world is not a development league?

[leftrightout]

I think they have already made it pretty clear what their intentions are with these players hence the reason they are not playing.

Also, what is the crowd feeling towards the team of they do "blood young players" and come and and get smacked by 4 or 5 a couple of times in the last few games. I understand we need to know what's happening in regards to resigning players but you also can't risk fans (of the plastic variety I guess some would call them) losing interest and not becoming members next season.

[plague]

Also, what is the crowd feeling towards the team of they do "blood young players" and come and and get smacked by 4 or 5 a couple of times in the last few games. I understand we need to know what's happening in regards to resigning players but you also can't risk fans (of the plastic variety I guess some would call them) losing interest and not becoming members next season.

i tend to think, "isn't that what training's for?"

[Grimario]

I do it just for you. My goal in life is to have a quote in someone's signature.

I think I'm in two signatures. I'm pretty amazing though.

[MFKS]

I think I'm in two signatures. I'm pretty amazing though.

But you only get in someones signature when they choose to remind everyone of something stupid you said.


Nothing to brag about

[Grimario]

But you only get in someones signature when they choose to remind everyone of something stupid you said.


Nothing to brag about
Speaking from experience, clearly.

Comedy genius is the other reason.

[Jeterpool]

I think I'm in two signatures. I'm pretty amazing though.

Yeah I'm one of them

[GazFish35]

Only idiots put quotes in their signatures.

[plague]

True friends don't let friends put quotes in their signatures.

[pv4]

Only idiots put quotes in their signatures.

:rof: