Which Import Is Our #1 Priority To Re-sign?

[stopper2]

Okay folks, we have four Imports (visa) players on our books who I believe all come off contract at the end of this season. All have different qualities and it's probably most likely if we want to keep them whether it's 1 or 2 or all of them, they are going to want their contract upped a little.
With a salary cap in place naturally there is going to be a limit to what we can afford to offer them (apart from the great newy lifestyle and mangoes)
One player from the four is going to have to be the priority to keep beyond this season....who should it be?
For me, on the short amount of time he has been here, Nobby Nordstrand has impressed me the most. Has adapted so well in 5-6 weeks to the pace and physicality of our A League and seems to have the right mentality and attitude (on the surface anyway).
The double against Nix were gems and pure quality, even last night against Perth when we were down and looked out at 0-2 he was probing and still trying well into the game when it looked lost and deserved that penalty.

[stopper2]

And I've even included the "Slobs" option for the 10 year olds on here who use it as their default option!:rof:

[plague]

And I've even included the "Slobs" option for the 10 year olds on here who use it as their default option!:rof:

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[belchardo]

Nordstrand. Definitely.

[StannyCFCJET]

Out of the imports Noddy Nordstrand is a must and leonardo if he stays fit and gets some more assists and some goals b4 then end of the season yes resign as well. Enver nope let him go no end product and Poiljak only resign if we cant get anyone better

[Thomas477]

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+1

[The Dunster]

Milos and Noddy for sure. Leonardo has his moments but we need more than he offers if we want to play finals football.

Milos still has his doubters but at the end of the day a striker should be judged on goals and by that alone he's done enough.

[Jeterpool]

I'm only retaining Nordstrand.

I'm letting the others go.

[lquiquer]

Interesting observation I made at the game yesterday.... Nordstrand legs were gone in second half.... He struggled every time to get back on side and have a go again... He did manage each time but my god he was physically struggling ....

[The Dunster]

Interesting observation I made at the game yesterday.... Nordstrand legs were gone in second half.... He struggled every time to get back on side and have a go again... He did manage each time but my god he was physically struggling ....

So in other words he will be signed for five years.
Milos just like other leading scorers for the Jets like Griffo, Millicic, Petrovski, and Taggart will not be resigned.

[skullboy]

Okay folks, we have four Imports (visa) players on our books who I believe all come off contract at the end of this season. All have different qualities and it's probably most likely if we want to keep them whether it's 1 or 2 or all of them, they are going to want their contract upped a little.
With a salary cap in place naturally there is going to be a limit to what we can afford to offer them (apart from the great newy lifestyle and mangoes)
One player from the four is going to have to be the priority to keep beyond this season....who should it be?
For me, on the short amount of time he has been here, Nobby Nordstrand has impressed me the most. Has adapted so well in 5-6 weeks to the pace and physicality of our A League and seems to have the right mentality and attitude (on the surface anyway).
The double against Nix were gems and pure quality, even last night against Perth when we were down and looked out at 0-2 he was probing and still trying well into the game when it looked lost and deserved that penalty.

Isn't Poljak still a visa player or did you intentionally leave him out? I think he is not off contract this season though?

Nordstram is a definite as long as his asking price doesn't increase too much after this season. If Leo can get his fitness up to the right level then he should be retained as well. He creates a lot and with a decent striker in front of him his work would have had some more tangible results. Trifunovic has not done enough and Alivodic's inability to shoot (even though he frequently gets himself into position to do so) means they have to go. If Alivodic actually backs himself and scores 2 or 3 in the last five games I might reconsider.

[WolfMan]

Milos has delivered goals in a team bereft of any real talent otherwise. Hope we keep him and build upon that.

Nobby has been good/great, but it's only been a few games. Would love to keep both, but see what happens

[turbojetfireV8]

I actually thought we offloaded Milicic to Roar to get rid of him (too much coin too few goals etc). I'm starting to have second thoughts about Milos, he had a few chances there that he squandered pretty limply, which isn't good enough when they are the only chances we get, if he can't suddenly develop a bit more hunger before season's end I wouldn't consider resigning him, he's got to be more ruthless, the hired gun needs to be trigger happy, that's what he's getting paid for...

[turbojetfireV8]

PS: I know he's not off contract but still think Poljak is a waste of a visa spot as well, Steve's come in and owned his midfield position in a matter of weeks and made a real impact, Poljak is shit most of the time but occasionally manages to not be as shit as usual and gets fawned over, a stronger player in his spot we could have a pretty decent midfield - he's holding us back...

[stopper2]

I actually thought we offloaded Milicic to Roar to get rid of him (too much coin too few goals etc). I'm starting to have second thoughts about Milos, he had a few chances there that he squandered pretty limply, which isn't good enough when they are the only chances we get, if he can't suddenly develop a bit more hunger before season's end I wouldn't consider resigning him, he's got to be more ruthless, the hired gun needs to be trigger happy, that's what he's getting paid for...
Milicic got on the wrong side of Con, if I recall there was a pay dispute or something and Ante was the "ringleader". Con was not renowned as the forgiving type.

[Grimario]

Slobs, just to annoy stopper.

We can have a chat to GvE to find a cheap local who has great engines and runs tirelessly with minimal end product to replace Enver, might as well re-sign Cooper instead of Leonardo to fill the "glimpses of awesome, injury history, can't finish 90" role and I am sure there is a player around somewhere who is ice cold from the penalty spot but does SFA for the rest of the game.

Nobby has shown more than the other 3 combined in his brief time here, IMO.
If we keep two, Milos would be the obvious one. If he bags one more, even from the spot, he's only the 3rd player to reach double figures, isn't he?

[pv4]

Poljak will become a citizen either next year or the one after.

[stopper2]

So in other words he will be signed for five years.
Milos just like other leading scorers for the Jets like Griffo, Millicic, Petrovski, and Taggart will not be resigned.

I think of the old "Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story" when I read this comment.
We all know Griffo and Taggz were released to take up big overseas offers, had nothing to do with not being re-signed.

I think Milos at the right price, taking the salary cap into consideration should probably be re-signed but the point of this discussion is whether he is the #1 priority? From what I've seen Nordstrand has more to offer the team in terms of quality and flexibility.

[Jeterpool]

I think a lot of this conversation will be skewed by whether we have won or lost the last week.

Had it been last week we asked the question I think the lot of them would be signed to life long deals and inducted into the Jets all of fame.

We need to consider their performances and team contribution. A visa player, by their very nature, will have more scrutiny placed on them simply because they probably earn more money and because we only have 5 opportunities to bring them in each season.

[RAM]

Slobs, just to annoy stopper.

We can have a chat to GvE to find a cheap local who has great engines and runs tirelessly with minimal end product to replace Enver, might as well re-sign Cooper instead of Leonardo to fill the "glimpses of awesome, injury history, can't finish 90" role and I am sure there is a player around somewhere who is ice cold from the penalty spot but does SFA for the rest of the game.

Nobby has shown more than the other 3 combined in his brief time here, IMO.
If we keep two, Milos would be the obvious one. If he bags one more, even from the spot, he's only the 3rd player to reach double figures, isn't he?

Comparing Cooper to Leo :rof:

[RAM]

Keep Nobby, Poljak & Milos.

Dump Leo, he's not happy here & homesick (obs from social media) and not worth the coin for sporatic appearances.

Enver lacks quality, and a suitable local can fill his spot.

Milos should be retained as at least he has been scoring. He's wasteful but I doubt we're paying overs and at least he's done a job in a difficult season. Poljak, like most water carriers, is underrated by the masses.

Nobby is worth a punt at Leo's expense.

[Grimario]

Comparing Cooper to Leo :rof:

:gent:

I thought you would have gotten the dripping with sarcasm bit when I suggested we ask GvE to give us a player with good engines.

[RAM]

:gent:

I thought you would have gotten the dripping with sarcasm bit when I suggested we ask GvE to give us a player with good engines.

GvE's eye for young talent is only matched by his inability to manage a dressing room.

[Hunter403]

Keep Morten. If no better 10 is around/available then keep Leo.

[Jeterpool]

Let Leo go and go for a disgruntled Finkler

[Tommyjet]

Let Leo go and go for a disgruntled Finkler

This ever so much, would love to see finkler feeding Nobby and another striker with a bit of speed. Not the fastest around the ground but works hard for a no.10 and definitely has that 'end product'.

[Mark325]

Realistically all of this comes down to getting new owners and what those new owners are willing to do for us. FFA is apparently gonna be trying to ship out marquees to different clubs as well which could be interesting.

I think no one is disputing Nobby, Milos and Leo are split and no one wants to keep Enver. Leo and Milos essentially come down to what is the other option, let's say we replace Milos for another player in the same vein who will also only get about 10 goals a season, then why replace him and not just give him another season to grow.

Leo is fully dependent on what he feels, if he isn't committed to the team he can leave but personally, from a players perspective we haven't had someone as creative as him before, so if we do replace him we gotta work towards signing someone of a similar skill set but preferably younger and more willing to track

[RAM]

we haven't had someone as creative as him before

:wanker: you forget Denni?

[Mark325]

:wanker: you forget Denni?

We haven't had someone as creative as him in a long, long time, at the very least 5 seasons. We should've had someone in Ribiero but we never played him correctly

[BodyNovo]

yeah im pretty happy to keep slobs

[Tommyjet]

Ribiero

[380]

Ribiero

Just not sure what happened with this bloke. Maybe he told GVE he had pubes for hair on his head or something to that effect.

I recall the game v Brisbane away and he was one the best on the park out of both teams in the first half and was not seen in the second.

Anyways just bring Song back.

[Tommyjet]

Just not sure what happened with this bloke. Maybe he told GVE he had pubes for hair on his head or something to that effect.

I recall the game v Brisbane away and he was one the best on the park out of both teams in the first half and was not seen in the second.

Anyways just bring Song back.
Would happily have song back

[hawk]

Should resign James Squire on our beer taps. fk that current pi$$

[lquiquer]

Should resign James Squire on our beer taps. fk that current pi$$

Beer don't win you games.....I tried it believe me and 95% of time Newcastle Wholose :grin:

[StannyCFCJET]

Triffo has 9 goals sure but most of them are pens 3 are headers? and the rest are tap ins that anyone should score and his came off the keeper on the way in. The amount of easy and hard chances he has wasted by not firing quick enough or just by missing the target and the amount of times his lack of pace and lazy off the ball movement disrupts our play is more than enough reason not to resign him

[Jeterpool]

Triffo has 9 goals sure but most of them are pens 3 are headers? and the rest are tap ins that anyone should score and his came off the keeper on the way in. The amount of easy and hard chances he has wasted by not firing quick enough or just by missing the target and the amount of times his lack of pace and lazy off the ball movement disrupts our play is more than enough reason not to resign him

Essentially this is where I my head is at. We need a striker with greater mobility and speed.

[StannyCFCJET]

Essentially this is where I my head is at. We need a striker with greater mobility and speed.

Take drogba for example forget about his world class ability for second. He was a Target Man who was strong and quick, could hold up the ball and never hesitated to shoot when given the opportunity. Thats the kind of player we need. Im sure we can find a decent player who is quick and strong and miller can install the confidence to shoot when you see an opportunity

[Couscous]

I thought you would have gotten the dripping with sarcasm bit when I suggested we ask GvE to give us a player with good engines.

I think it's time for the forum to ditch the GVE digs. At least while he remains our only championship-winning coach.

[Bon]

I think it's time for the forum to ditch the GVE digs. At least while he remains our only championship-winning coach.

I always thought that Griffo was player coach when we won?..

[q-money]

I think it's time for the forum to ditch the GVE digs. At least while he remains our only championship-winning coach.

don't think it's possible to neg rep you anymore for this

[Couscous]

I'll accept your point when you tell me which Newy coach has been better.

[The Camel]

I'll accept your point when you tell me which Newy coach has been better.

FFS Even the season in which we won we were the worst attacking side during the comp and basically Griff single handedly won us games (he scored half our regular season goals). We had an awesome squad which had been assembled for GVE not by him and I would suggest by not winning the premiers plate that season as well with that squad was something of a failure. He then took us to the spoon with what he called 'his own squad' and his second coming was nothing but a complete shambles. Not to mention he could not manage players and fell out with nearly every senior player he ever managed.

Bloke is a grade A ****.

[StannyCFCJET]

FFS Even the season in which we won we were the worst attacking side during the comp and basically Griff single handedly won us games (he scored half our regular season goals). We had an awesome squad which had been assembled for GVE not by him and I would suggest by not winning the premiers plate that season as well with that squad was something of a failure. He then took us to the spoon with what he called 'his own squad' and his second coming was nothing but a complete shambles. Not to mention he could not manage players and fell out with nearly every senior player he ever managed.

Bloke is a grade A ****.

but he switched the tactics in the Final which payed off so he needs credit for that and he signed Song and didnt he sign Adam G and covic???

[Jetmaster]

FFS Even the season in which we won we were the worst attacking side during the comp and basically Griff single handedly won us games (he scored half our regular season goals). We had an awesome squad which had been assembled for GVE not by him and I would suggest by not winning the premiers plate that season as well with that squad was something of a failure. He then took us to the spoon with what he called 'his own squad' and his second coming was nothing but a complete shambles. Not to mention he could not manage players and fell out with nearly every senior player he ever managed.

Bloke is a grade A ****.

To be fair - the squad the previous season was far superior than the 2008 side and was a basket case when he took it over and got close the first time.

2009 went wrong because Con got tight, let key players go, did not replace them and some senior players left behind dropped the bundle.

[The Dunster]

but he switched the tactics in the Final which payed off

True I think GVE changed from Equilateral to Isosceles triangles. Brilliant move

[StannyCFCJET]

If it says Enver has no votes then why is his bar longer than milos's

[StannyCFCJET]

Milos and Noddy for sure. Leonardo has his moments but we need more than he offers if we want to play finals football.

Milos still has his doubters but at the end of the day a striker should be judged on goals and by that alone he's done enough.

If Milos was quality he'd have over 15 goals maybe even 20 with the chances he's missed

[StannyCFCJET]

Let Leo go and go for a disgruntled Finkler

sack the whole squad sign finkler we will win the league aha

[hawk]

I always thought that Griffo was player coach when we won?..

He was. Did a few great diving saves as well

[Retro Jet]

If it says Enver has no votes then why is his bar longer than milos's

I think you have misaligned Leo's bar there.
I can't see a bar for Enver.

[The Dunster]

If Milos was quality he'd have over 15 goals maybe even 20 with the chances he's missed

Getting into a position to score is why I would keep him. No point in being deadly accurate if you only get into scoring position five times a season.

If you want someone that gets into scoring positions frequently and converts them most of the time then you have narrowed things down to the top dozen strikers in the world.

Melbourne City's striker butchered several chances last night - it happens.

Milos has scored more A-league goals this season than the majority of strikers in the league and you want him gone ?

No wonder the players hate the fans.

Your post reminds me of the picture Q posts for giggles of the nerdy kid rating chicks on the net.

[Jetmaster]

I always thought that Griffo was player coach when we won?..

Also reffed the game, denying a handball and sending Vuka off - it was a big A-League Griff Final.

[turbojetfireV8]

I think you have misaligned Leo's bar there.
I can't see a bar for Enver.

usually too busy watching the game to notice any of their bars... :trolls:

[stopper2]

Getting into a position to score is why I would keep him. No point in being deadly accurate if you only get into scoring position five times a season.

If you want someone that gets into scoring positions frequently and converts them most of the time then you have narrowed things down to the top dozen strikers in the world.

Melbourne City's striker butchered several chances last night - it happens.

Milos has scored more A-league goals this season than the majority of strikers in the league and you want him gone ?

No wonder the players hate the fans.

Your post reminds me of the picture Q posts for giggles of the nerdy kid rating chicks on the net.
Milos has scored 9 goals to date, the leading scorers have hit 20 or are in the high teens. Milos is just an average striker if you compare him to the likes of Fornaroli, Berisha, MacLaren and Keogh. Average is not good enough if you want to compete with the top teams. He can get into good positions a dozen times per game but as a striker if he's not putting these chances away on a regular basis, "getting into good positions" is irrelevant. Also, how many assists has he provided this season?

[lquiquer]

Would get rid of the 4 of them

[MFKS]

If Alivodic is resigned the coaching staff need committing


That corner yesterday said it all to me

We have a 2-1 out there Leo plays it short and we have a opportunity to get some space and threat

Alivodic is sound asleep and let's it roll past. ****ed up any possible attack straight away and next thing you know Birraz is hoofing a backpass to oblivion

What the **** was he thinking

[leftrightout]

Average is not good enough if you want to compete with the top teams.

I have never been on Triffs side, i find him lazy and thats my most hated trait in a footballer but this line stuck out to me.... when it comes to adelaide, who is their top striker? Can you tell me their leading goal scorer?
Im not comparing Adelaide to us here, im just saying with quality in a lot of different areas not all teams rely on one man banging in 20 goals to be at the top.

[RAM]

To be fair - the squad the previous season was far superior than the 2008 side and was a basket case when he took it over and got close the first time.

2009 went wrong because Con got tight, let key players go, did not replace them and some senior players left behind dropped the bundle.

Yep, Durante, Bridge, Musailik...

[hawk]

True I think GVE changed from Equilateral to Isosceles triangles. Brilliant move

gve didnt even know he was the coach.

[stopper2]

I have never been on Triffs side, i find him lazy and thats my most hated trait in a footballer but this line stuck out to me.... when it comes to adelaide, who is their top striker? Can you tell me their leading goal scorer?
Im not comparing Adelaide to us here, im just saying with quality in a lot of different areas not all teams rely on one man banging in 20 goals to be at the top.

Djite would be their top striker, had an injury early on in the season and probably didn't get back to full fitness till half-way through the season. I believe he went through a rough patch where going back to last season he didn't score for 21 games. Isn't a pure goal-poacher compared to the likes of Berisha and Fornaroli but he is a real target man and works his arse off for the team probably more then any other striker and provides assists.
I would have Djite in a heartbeat if I had a choice between him and Trifunovic.

[stopper2]

If Alivodic is resigned the coaching staff need committing


That corner yesterday said it all to me

We have a 2-1 out there Leo plays it short and we have a opportunity to get some space and threat

Alivodic is sound asleep and let's it roll past. ****ed up any possible attack straight away and next thing you know Birraz is hoofing a backpass to oblivion

What the **** was he thinking

Happened right in front of me. Alivodic comes over (and I'm thinking....NO not a farken short one!!!) calls for it and Leonardo is like oh well, here you go and within that split second Alivodic is looking elsewhere for some bloody reason, he looks up and the ball goes past him FFS.
Why call for the ball and not be focused and ready to receive it....amateurish!!!

[plague]

Djite would be their top striker, had an injury early on in the season and probably didn't get back to full fitness till half-way through the season. I believe he went through a rough patch where going back to last season he didn't score for 21 games. Isn't a pure goal-poacher compared to the likes of Berisha and Fornaroli but he is a real target man and works his arse off for the team probably more then any other striker and provides assists.
I would have Djite in a heartbeat if I had a choice between him and Trifunovic.

Oh man you are really chugging the haterade on this guy.

Djite in a heartbeat, that's classic.

[plague]

Whilst we are all throwing haymakers on these imports a lot of you are neglecting the fact that generally one of the 2 best players on the best teams over the last few years have been in the no# 6/8 role.

Isaias, Corona, Dimas etc are owning this comp.

Jets have never even tried since maybe Vigs?

Even look at Valeri and Milligan last year. Dominated.

We keep throwing out 'dudes'.

Ugabooga man looks like he's got something about him. Pair him with a quality import and watch the team improve.

Be way better than just signing another striker to go stand up front and chase long balls.

[stopper2]

Oh man you are really chugging the haterade on this guy.

Djite in a heartbeat, that's classic.

What and I'm supposed to take your opinion seriously with the way you carry on like a 10 year old over Griff!
It's not hating on Triff, like I said at the right price under the cap, yeah probably keep him but in my opinion we should make sure we secure Nordstrand first and foremost and 60% of pollsters agree....so is that alright with you and your little mate Frodo!!!

[380]

We are not going to win anything with Milo leading the attack.

He is average at best IMO. Pens should be the cream of a strikers stats not his bread and butter.

[plague]

What and I'm supposed to take your opinion seriously with the way you carry on like a 10 year old over Griff!
It's not hating on Triff, like I said at the right price under the cap, yeah probably keep him but in my opinion we should make sure we secure Nordstrand first and foremost and 60% of pollsters agree....so is that alright with you and your little mate Frodo!!!

nah, what you need to do is this.
go to this page: http://www.a-league.com.au/stats-centre/player-stats

select Djite and Milos then compare stats.

you might be in for a surprise, but lets face it, you'll scour straight past the stats in Milos' favour and go straight to the offsides because you just don't rate the bloke.

which is cool, but your opinion is pretty baseless.


now if you'll excuse me I'm off to play on the monkey bars with Frodo.

good day.

[RAM]

Whilst we are all throwing haymakers on these imports a lot of you are neglecting the fact that generally one of the 2 best players on the best teams over the last few years have been in the no# 6/8 role.

Isaias, Corona, Dimas etc are owning this comp.

Jets have never even tried since maybe Vigs?

Even look at Valeri and Milligan last year. Dominated.

We keep throwing out 'dudes'.

Ugabooga man looks like he's got something about him. Pair him with a quality import and watch the team improve.

Be way better than just signing another striker to go stand up front and chase long balls.

Vigs was a 10 imo.

IMO we've never had an import 6 or 8.

A.Griffiths and Musailik were our best at the base of midfield imo. Honourable mentions to Zads, Thompson, and Caravella.

[Jeterpool]

Vigs was a 10 imo.

IMO we've never had an import 6 or 8.

A.Griffiths and Musailik were our best at the base of midfield imo. Honourable mentions to Zads, Thompson, and Caravella.

No Wehrman or Jobe?

[Frodo]

now if you'll excuse me I'm off to play on the monkey bars with Frodo.

good day.

It was the best afternoon EVER!!

[Jeterpool]

It was the best afternoon EVER!!

:brrr:

Goal in life achieved

[RAM]

No Wehrman or Jobe?

No.

[pv4]

IMO we've never had an import 6 or 8.

What position would you call Poljak?

Fiorentini?

Jonny Steele?

[RAM]

What position would you call Poljak?

Fiorentini?

Jonny Steele?

In the past....

Fiorentini - forgot about him

Steele - LW/ 10.

[Frodo]

Agree with most people on these players and numbers but i think Plague had a good point with this line...

We keep throwing out 'dudes'..
We don't just need someone to play a position, we need someone to play a position and compliment what we already have.

I reckon we need some pace in the attacking 3rd, someone who can keep the ball and dictate the game in midfield and some more goal scorers. I reckon we can find an Aussie left back, and if a better centreback shows up we can definitely sign them up and move Mullen to back up.

[A.J.]

nah, what you need to do is this.
go to this page: http://www.a-league.com.au/stats-centre/player-stats



This is great. I have a couple of Milos hating mates that need to see this. KUTGW Plague

[steve136]

What I get from these stats is that he does indeed work harder than I thought he did, his distribution with the ball is quite good, he does really well in duels both on the ground and in the air.

His shooting accuracy of 36.4% leaves a lot to be desired.

[plague]

What I get from these stats is that he does indeed work harder than I thought he did, his distribution with the ball is quite good, he does really well in duels both on the ground and in the air.

His shooting accuracy of 36.4% leaves a lot to be desired.

ok so we're getting somewhere.
and if you want to base your argument on his accuracy then its justified. the problem is in this day and age throwing out a blanket "he's garbage" is dangerous because stats are right at your fingers for some wanker with too much time on his hand to throw back at you. but absolutely go at the blokes weaknesses and start the conversation there, it makes us all more enlightened.

[Frodo]

ok so we're getting somewhere.
and if you want to base your argument on his accuracy then its justified. the problem is in this day and age throwing out a blanket "he's garbage" is dangerous because stats are right at your fingers for some wanker with too much time on his hand to throw back at you. but absolutely go at the blokes weaknesses and start the conversation there, it makes us all more enlightened.

I thought we were friends Plague, jeez.

Milos seems to have some good stats and some poor stats. He definitely feels like an improvement on Montano, however he isn't on Taggarts level. He has only been in the country for less than a year. Maybe he could put away 15 goals next year... or maybe not, i'm not psychic.

[Mark325]

I think the answer is playing with two strikers. Imagine Milos partnered with a player like Taggart. Run a 4-4-2 come seasons end, similar to the Wellington 3-1 win at home with Nobby up front, with Leo and Coops behind them and see how it fairs, if that works like it did before then maybe it's worth looking at for next season

[plague]

I thought we were friends Plague, jeez.

even though i was referring to myself, if the shoe fits.............

[plague]

I think the answer is playing with two strikers. Imagine Milos partnered with a player like Taggart. Run a 4-4-2 come seasons end, similar to the Wellington 3-1 win at home with Nobby up front, with Leo and Coops behind them and see how it fairs, if that works like it did before then maybe it's worth looking at for next season

again, i find this to be a good idea, but with Miller (and he's not alone with this) continually putting 2 'dudes' in the screening role and then 4 defenders, it leaves no room.
all about the 'philosophy' bullshit each coach sprouts these days.

[hawk]

need 5 five across the front, 2 half backs, 3 fullbacks to fit in with our admin structure

[stopper2]

nah, what you need to do is this.
go to this page: http://www.a-league.com.au/stats-centre/player-stats

select Djite and Milos then compare stats.

you might be in for a surprise, but lets face it, you'll scour straight past the stats in Milos' favour and go straight to the offsides because you just don't rate the bloke.

which is cool, but your opinion is pretty baseless.


now if you'll excuse me I'm off to play on the monkey bars with Frodo.

good day.

I'm sure every coach in the world bases their selection decisions based on stats (yeah right!), yes they can be very useful but they do not always tell the full story. Does a stat tell how many times a striker puts pressure on the opposing defence for example....forcing them into a error?
Does a stat tell how many times a striker is making runs off the ball....spreading the opposing defence?
I could go on but what's the point? I've based my opinion on Djite over Trifunovic from watching Bruce in the A League over many years and what he offers the team and from what I've seen from Milos this season to date for the Jets.
So Plague going by your strong support for Milos, in response to this thread you believe that he is our #1 import to re-sign?
That's your opinion, some agree with you but many others don't.
Basically, who the **** are you to call someone elses opinion "baseless"?

[Tommyjet]

I'm sure every coach in the world bases their selection decisions based on stats (yeah right!), yes they can be very useful but they do not always tell the full story. Does a stat tell how many times a striker puts pressure on the opposing defence for example....forcing them into a error?
Does a stat tell how many times a striker is making runs off the ball....spreading the opposing defence?
I could go on but what's the point? I've based my opinion on Djite over Trifunovic from watching Bruce in the A League over many years and what he offers the team and from what I've seen from Milos this season to date for the Jets.
So Plague going by your strong support for Milos, in response to this thread you believe that he is our #1 import to re-sign?
That's your opinion, some agree with you but many others don't.
Basically, who the **** are you to call someone elses opinion "baseless"?

This

[q-money]

think of all the great strikers in this league, and we're talking about bruce djite fmd

[plague]

So Plague going by your strong support for Milos, in response to this thread you believe that he is our #1 import to re-sign?
That's your opinion, some agree with you but many others don't.
Basically, who the **** are you to call someone elses opinion "baseless"?

well for starters I'm the guy who at least reads the posts before babbling on about what others have and haven't said.
Strong support? I'll just hang here for a bit while you find me that quote declaring he's the answer to all our problems.

you back yet?


anyway if "strong support" is showing others arguments to be pretty poor if not factually incorrect then hey man, guilty as charged.

as for stats I'm not a huge fan of them at all because for every one that is useful theres one that says Dani Alves has more la liga assists than either Xavi or Iniesta. but you guys are the ones out there talking in absolutes, not me.

Its very easy to cherry pick your 10 year Djite sample size vs less than a year of Milos, and if thats the way you want to do it, awesome. but to think you are evaluating anyone on a level playing field is incorrect.


you are better off comparing him to Heskey, Bridges, Rooney and anyone else who's played striker for us, because thats what the club is giving us. we can wish for every player under the sun but the Jets had their chance to sign Berisha, Mclaren, Smeltz and we never landed one of them. so you wanna turf out players we have then hope for the best? with our track record?

yeah good luck with that one boss.

[plague]

This


this

[q-money]

just one other thing, milos always gets slated for how lazy he is, one of plague's stats is defensive clearances....milos has 29....bruce has 1 :rof:

for a supposedly lazy oaf he does a hell of a lot of defending

[plague]

Does a stat tell how many times a striker puts pressure on the opposing defence for example....forcing them into a error?


well i mean, yeah, thats kind of what the world of analytics is heading towards now.
http://statsbomb.com/2014/07/defensive-metrics-measuring-the-intensity-of-a-high-press/

[plague]

just one other thing, milos always gets slated for how lazy he is, one of plague's stats is defensive clearances....milos has 29....bruce has 1 :rof:

for a supposedly lazy oaf he does a hell of a lot of defending


shhhhhhh, you're ruining it.

[Jeterpool]

just one other thing, milos always gets slated for how lazy he is, one of plague's stats is defensive clearances....milos has 29....bruce has 1 :rof:

for a supposedly lazy oaf he does a hell of a lot of defending

I think that's more a direction from Miller whom brings him back on corners and set pieces and leaves Enver up front.
Milos being as tall as he is is able to use his heading ability to assist the clearances

[plague]

I think that's more a direction from Miller whom brings him back on corners and set pieces and leaves Enver up front.
Milos being as tall as he is is able to use his heading ability to assist the clearances

So what you're saying is that Milos' performance in that area is greatly influenced by the direction of his coach?

Wonder if people have the same thought process when he's left up top isolated in attack.

Because when that happens they seem to blame the player.

[turbojetfireV8]

We need a quote from Griff to settle this argument once and for all...

[plague]

We need a quote from Griff to settle this argument once and for all...

Oh man be careful with that.
Some people on here don't like you bringing up Griff.

[Wilso8948]

Did anyone notice the peach balls Milos was playing long to Alivodic? Then that numpty was ****ing it up? I think you lot are directing so much hate to Milos when there's an absolute abomination of a pro footballer out on the wing. If we had a half decent import out there playing balls in to Milos the bloke would be golden boot. Love the Trif. Love his wife. 10 year contract.

[Wilso8948]

We need a quote from Griff to settle this argument once and for all...

"what's the point in having a striker when none of them will ever live up to me?"

[la bazzle]

Keep trifferz and Leo. Nordy is too good for us.

[cobra23]

Keep trifferz and Leo. Nordy is too good for us.

Not after last weeks performace..

[q-money]

Did anyone notice the peach balls Milos was playing long to Alivodic? Then that numpty was ****ing it up? I think you lot are directing so much hate to Milos when there's an absolute abomination of a pro footballer out on the wing. If we had a half decent import out there playing balls in to Milos the bloke would be golden boot. Love the Trif. Love his wife. 10 year contract.

wilso :wub:

[rhysd]

Did anyone notice the peach balls Milos was playing long to Alivodic? Then that numpty was ****ing it up? I think you lot are directing so much hate to Milos when there's an absolute abomination of a pro footballer out on the wing. If we had a half decent import out there playing balls in to Milos the bloke would be golden boot. Love the Trif. Love his wife. 10 year contract.


wilso :wub:


This. Milos is a gun. He is not your "run around the field like a madman" Berisha type. Give good service and the man will fire!!

[parksey]

I was all for Milos until that shit he pulled in the first half on the weekend when he decided to pirouette and fall to the ground to milk a penalty when he was in a great shooting position. I like the guy's craziness at times, but that was a bit too much for me.

60/40 for keeping him at the right price.

Agree that he needs more support though; Enver has been diabolical all season, which is a shame considering the promise he showed when he first came.

[BodyNovo]

should get slobs to feed em in to triff.

honestly I'd keep all our imports minus enver and go and get another bloke with a bit of pace and someone who can cross it

[plague]

I was all for Milos until that shit he pulled in the first half on the weekend when he decided to pirouette and fall to the ground to milk a penalty when he was in a great shooting position.

yeah shit, forgot about that.

that looked bad.


(I would have busted out the fist pump if he got the pen though).

[Grimario]

get another bloke with a bit of pace and someone who can cross it

He was a FM cheat player years ago but we should definitely sign Hobbit Bermudez if pace and crossing is what we are after.

http://i.imgur.com/W3rncbm.png

Hobbit, ffs.

[Bon]

He was a FM cheat player years ago but we should definitely sign Hobbit Bermudez if pace and crossing is what we are after.

http://i.imgur.com/W3rncbm.png

Hobbit, ffs.

Don't start Frodo getting excited.. He's playing with plague on the swingset and now you want to get another hobbit in..

[Bremsstrahlung]

Enver has been diabolical all season, which is a shame considering the promise he showed when he first came.

Bit premature.

[Jetmaster]

Pfft to all this. First thing we should sign from overseas is a new Chinese overlord.

Then just get a new team.

[Frodo]

He was a FM cheat player years ago but we should definitely sign Hobbit Bermudez if pace and crossing is what we are after.

http://i.imgur.com/W3rncbm.png

Hobbit, ffs.

It's the hairy feet that do it, Adidas have been stealing our advanced hobbit-hair technology for years...:rof:

[stopper2]

well for starters I'm the guy who at least reads the posts before babbling on about what others have and haven't said.
Strong support? I'll just hang here for a bit while you find me that quote declaring he's the answer to all our problems.

you back yet?


anyway if "strong support" is showing others arguments to be pretty poor if not factually incorrect then hey man, guilty as charged.

as for stats I'm not a huge fan of them at all because for every one that is useful theres one that says Dani Alves has more la liga assists than either Xavi or Iniesta. but you guys are the ones out there talking in absolutes, not me.

Its very easy to cherry pick your 10 year Djite sample size vs less than a year of Milos, and if thats the way you want to do it, awesome. but to think you are evaluating anyone on a level playing field is incorrect.


you are better off comparing him to Heskey, Bridges, Rooney and anyone else who's played striker for us, because thats what the club is giving us. we can wish for every player under the sun but the Jets had their chance to sign Berisha, Mclaren, Smeltz and we never landed one of them. so you wanna turf out players we have then hope for the best? with our track record?

yeah good luck with that one boss.

I will repeat again for what is the third time now:deadhorse:
I would re-sign Milos for next season at the RIGHT PRICE.....don't think he deserves to be amongst our highest paid players, but only after we have re-signed Nordstrand first and foremost. Would still probably consider Leonardo too.
Still four games to go to impress, so lets see how keen they are on still being around in the A League playing for the Jets next season.

[StannyCFCJET]

Lets just all agree that none of us can understand how Alidovic is still on the teamsheet every game after week after week of fluffs ans stuff ups

[hawk]

but you guys are the ones out there talking in absolutes, not me.

sounds a bit absolute.... :P

Lets just get berisha and the rest will come

[hawk]

Leo 's highlights


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLz5KgBTqPY

[Frodo]

So is everyone still falling over themselves to resign Leo? What a bag of you-know-what's... Haha.