View Full Version : The Joke that is the Emerging Jets Program
Now I am gonna start the thread and allow a few others to kick it off with their thoughts on the program before I give it my personal caning.
Today I went and watched all 3 Grades in Rd 1 of the NPL and **** me was I not impressed by what I am seeing from Newy's supposedly elite program
Matter of fact it left me raging watching the circus of shite that was dished up by the kids
It has been going now for what 5 years and I see that many issues that neither the Jets or NNSW choose to rectify
Thoughts People
????
Apollo Creed
10-04-2016, 08:07 PM
Now I am gonna start the thread and allow a few others to kick it off with their thoughts on the program before I give it my personal caning.
Today I went and watched all 3 Grades in Rd 1 of the NPL and **** me was I not impressed by what I am seeing from Newy's supposedly elite program
Matter of fact it left me raging watching the circus of shite that was dished up by the kids
It has been going now for what 5 years and I see that many issues that neither the Jets or NNSW choose to rectify
Thoughts People
????
elite daycare program
Onehunglow
10-04-2016, 08:19 PM
Now I am gonna start the thread and allow a few others to kick it off with their thoughts on the program before I give it my personal caning.
Today I went and watched all 3 Grades in Rd 1 of the NPL and **** me was I not impressed by what I am seeing from Newy's supposedly elite program
Matter of fact it left me raging watching the circus of shite that was dished up by the kids
It has been going now for what 5 years and I see that many issues that neither the Jets or NNSW choose to rectify
Thoughts People
????
Could be more specific?
What issues need to be rectified?
belchardo
10-04-2016, 08:23 PM
Matter of fact it left me raging watching the circus of shite that was dished up by the kids
Shit, must be serious. You're normally such a calm dude.
Anyway, 5 years of issues at the senior levels and in the ownership and you're surprised there are issues at lower level?
furns
10-04-2016, 08:23 PM
What are you expecting?
There is no money to invest in it, Tinkler gave it back 12 months after announcing the program to much fanfare. NNSW doesnt have the money to fund it properly either. Its basically in a holding pattern (much like the club itself) until a new owner comes in to take it all over again.
elite daycare program
This.
The Dunster
10-04-2016, 10:05 PM
What are you expecting?
There is no money to invest in it, Tinkler gave it back 12 months after announcing the program to much fanfare. NNSW doesnt have the money to fund it properly either. Its basically in a holding pattern (much like the club itself) until a new owner comes in to take it all over again.
If investment in juniors was a worthwhile pursuit West Ham would be top of the EPL. I'd much rather be the club that free rides on the development programs of other clubs by poaching kids once they become the finished product.
q-money
10-04-2016, 10:07 PM
don't have to improve much to make the jerks first team my G, easy rewards
Lets just clarify a few things first.
Northern is funding it. So it ain't any different to any other State Feds elite program.
Other states can spit out talented players from their system with less resources than NNSW has so money ain't the issue
The Biggest issue to me is the coaching department and technical director and their bullshit pie in the sky philosophy that shows they have NFI that football is a simple game that requires scoring more goals than the opponent.
Yesterday watching the 19s and 22s just showed that this program is actually going backwards.
These kids have been in the system now for a couple of years. They should be constantly getting better every year with each generation stronger than the last. That isn't happening. They are honestly getting worse.
The kids do not understand the system the way they should and are being screwed over by people highly inflexible in their approach.
These kids are being taught nothing about winning, they are being taught nothing about defending, they are being played out of position, they are being screwed by coaches that inflexible to tweak the tactics to win games.
They are actually being held back from making it to the HAL or where ever they can end up by the very people who should be developing their games.
So is this program for the kids with ability or those with the financial parents ?. Because all too often the money comes first.
To establish the correct criteria might help somewhat IMO.
Hunter403
11-04-2016, 02:19 PM
Look who the head coach is. No more needs to be said.
BodyNovo
11-04-2016, 02:33 PM
Lets just clarify a few things first.
Northern is funding it. So it ain't any different to any other State Feds elite program.
Other states can spit out talented players from their system with less resources than NNSW has so money ain't the issue
The Biggest issue to me is the coaching department and technical director and their bullshit pie in the sky philosophy that shows they have NFI that football is a simple game that requires scoring more goals than the opponent.
Yesterday watching the 19s and 22s just showed that this program is actually going backwards.
These kids have been in the system now for a couple of years. They should be constantly getting better every year with each generation stronger than the last. That isn't happening. They are honestly getting worse.
The kids do not understand the system the way they should and are being screwed over by people highly inflexible in their approach.
These kids are being taught nothing about winning, they are being taught nothing about defending, they are being played out of position, they are being screwed by coaches that inflexible to tweak the tactics to win games.
They are actually being held back from making it to the HAL or where ever they can end up by the very people who should be developing their games.
without having huge knowledge
coaches from under 6's to under 19's would be coaching those teams out of a FFA booklet.
the NPL teams are smart, they just outmuscle them out off the game and it all goes haywire.
the NPL idea is excellent IMO and they should be preparing them for what to expect.
Unfortunately it seems at training they are still following the handbook
coaches from under 6's to under 19's would be coaching those teams out of a FFA booklet.
the NPL teams are smart, they just outmuscle them out off the game and it all goes haywire.
the NPL idea is excellent IMO and they should be preparing them for what to expect.
Unfortunately it seems at training they are still following the handbook
basically. But theres also that political part where some lads there are not always the best as well
late_to_the_game
11-04-2016, 03:28 PM
The 15's team in the U17 comp last year was an interesting story.
Start of season GVE was coaching them, low to mid table about half way through. Fullbacks getting nose bleeds most of the game from being so high.
Taylor Regan did a short stint (unfortunately just before Adamstown played them - they scored three goals off corners with headers - one thing Taylors teams are always strong at)
Clayton takes over, they climb to top 4, go on to win the GF (by a couple of goals).
To me that highlights most of the issue. They became a much more pragmatic team - not many changes in personnel that I was aware of.
BodyNovo
11-04-2016, 03:33 PM
best ever coach with the youth side was always Arthur papas. He did have pepper and chapman at his disposal after they had both made a league debuts but had them playing excellently and played the game according to how it was faring.
Jerks would be smart to have that man involved IMO.
without having huge knowledge
coaches from under 6's to under 19's would be coaching those teams out of a FFA booklet.
the NPL teams are smart, they just outmuscle them out off the game and it all goes haywire.
the NPL idea is excellent IMO and they should be preparing them for what to expect.
Unfortunately it seems at training they are still following the handbook
The physicality aspect is in some ways a weak excuse offered up for the failings of the coaching.
The kids are playing up grades every year against bigger stronger players. After a few years they should be adapting much better than they are.
If they are not this is the coaching departments fault. It is a tactic their opponent uses and they as coaches have to coach the team and players to adapt and counter this. Not just bury there heads in the sand on it.
Physicality is a two way street. The kids also have advantages in fitness and speed that they can use also. It aint like it is one way street for the bigger taller stronger players.
Football isnt rugby anyway so physical qualities are not superior to skill anyway. Messi is 5ft **** all and makes men bigger and stronger than him look ordinary.
Skill always triumphs when applied correctly
As for the FFA coaching manual. The coaches coaching this seem to have NFI. It ain't rocket science this game. Their implementation of it at times is a ****ing disgrace with blokes in plum roles struggling to set teams up correctly and ignoring some basic fundamentals of football in general and also the key features of the 4-3-3 formation and how it works effectively
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BodyNovo
11-04-2016, 03:53 PM
The physicality aspect is in some ways a weak excuse offered up for the failings of the coaching.
The kids are playing up grades every year against bigger stronger players. After a few years they should be adapting much better than they are.
If they are not this is the coaching departments fault. It is a tactic their opponent uses and they as coaches have to coach the team and players to adapt and counter this. Not just bury there heads in the sand on it.
Physicality is a two way street. The kids also have advantages in fitness and speed that they can use also. It aint like it is one way street for the bigger taller stronger players.
Football isnt rugby anyway so physical qualities are not superior to skill anyway. Messi is 5ft **** all and makes men bigger and stronger than him look ordinary.
Skill always triumphs when applied correctly
As for the FFA coaching manual. The coaches coaching this seem to have NFI. It ain't rocket science this game. Their implementation of it at times is a ****ing disgrace with blokes in plum roles struggling to set teams up correctly and ignoring some basic fundamentals of football in general and also the key features of the 4-3-3 formation and how it works effectively
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no doubt about the other side too physicality and this comes back to coaching and what they are doing in training.
instead of working on on the ball challenges and how to deal with it they are probably working on short corners.
the 4-3-3 is just the dutch way the FFA wants implemented, Good coaches can implement it right i.e. Ange with the socceroos.
in 10 years time all teams will play like Brisbane roar did when they won it and the reverse will happen. Some old school coach will come in and play 4-4-2 lump it long and win games.
It seems from this forum that is a mix off the players and coaches but I think at the end off the day it needs independent running from the Jets HQ as compared to NNSW which is just not going to happen anytime soon.
no doubt about the other side too physicality and this comes back to coaching and what they are doing in training.
instead of working on on the ball challenges and how to deal with it they are probably working on short corners.
the 4-3-3 is just the dutch way the FFA wants implemented, Good coaches can implement it right i.e. Ange with the socceroos.
in 10 years time all teams will play like Brisbane roar did when they won it and the reverse will happen. Some old school coach will come in and play 4-4-2 lump it long and win games.
It seems from this forum that is a mix off the players and coaches but I think at the end off the day it needs independent running from the Jets HQ as compared to NNSW which is just not going to happen anytime soon.
Difference with Ange to most of these other frauds coaching is that Ange uses the 4-3-3 as the basis of his formation. He then tweaks it and evolves it all the time.
The Roar played differently to Victree and both different to his Socceroos
He actually has an idea that isn't set in stone.
We have someone who is trying to impart his ideology that he failed with professional footballers on kids.
As for short corners
Thats a good point.
They do insist on them. Stupidest part is they push the big kids from the back into the box. Then they play it short. **** it up lose the ball and everyone out of position.
If they have no intent of crossing the ball in as they have been instructed to maintain possession then please explain the insanity of that???
Nou Camp
11-04-2016, 04:52 PM
I don't know how you can raise kids playing football and only teach them 1 formation
no wonder all our junior socceroos are struggling
best thing for any good junior can do is go overseas as young as you can
Jetmaster
11-04-2016, 05:40 PM
The problem I have is the middle class welfare aspect. Probably some great talent out there but their parents cant afford it.
The problem I have is the middle class welfare aspect. Probably some great talent out there but their parents cant afford it.
You only need go look at some of the kids running around in inter-district to see plenty who would run rings around some of the supposed " elite " talent but for the lack of funds available to the bill payers, geographical location or a combination of both.
When my young bloke was playing in one of these so called elite things i would often wonder how many kids don't get a crack because they don't have the money or the means to travel to training if one of these are not nearby.
We were fortunate that i was earning a reasonable sum and we had the luxury of two vehicles and the costs and the running around was not an issue , there were plenty of very handy kids with a ball at there feet who were nowhere near as fortunate in there circumstances.
Just say'n.
You only need go look at some of the kids running around in inter-district to see plenty who would run rings around some of the supposed " elite " talent but for the lack of funds available to the bill payers, geographical location or a combination of both.
When my young bloke was playing in one of these so called elite things i would often wonder how many kids don't get a crack because they don't have the money or the means to travel to training if one of these are not nearby.
We were fortunate that i was earning a reasonable sum and we had the luxury of two vehicles and the costs and the running around was not an issue , there were plenty of very handy kids with a ball at there feet who were nowhere near as fortunate in there circumstances.
Just say'n.
Bang on about the financial aspect of it.
Then throw in the political bias with kids getting picked due to being in the right circles
Then add in the kids being overlooked as they don't fit the profile that these people think is ideal.Take Timmy Cahill he would never get a look in with these programs yet made a damn fine career out of the game
Then add in the kids who miss out as their parents can afford it but can see the thing is not functioning correctly and pull them out to play for an NPL club instead.
We are missing out on plenty of talent as the way it is run isn't geared to harnessing talent like the way it should be
q-money
11-04-2016, 09:13 PM
just a question, is the problem that the EJ's don't have enough cash to pay a scout and rather are waiting for the prospective parents to stump up the cash for their young lionels? or is it that there's a fairly glaring hole in scouting from top to bottom by the local, state and national federations, that's probably been allowed to fester due to sokkah politics that has been going on for donkeys years?
i grew up playing hockey in newcastle, and even though there was perceived bias towards certain clubs from parties at times (i've been guilty about complaining about it in the past, for the most part wrongly i must admit), the clubs and selectors generally didn't miss much, the best kids were in the development squads and were given every opportunity to then go for higher representative honours and the like.
i don't know if it's changed now, but the general notion was that the best kids were left to play for their clubs through the season, and were for the most part spread across all the clubs (cyclical changes/family dynasties aside), and came together for a yearly state tournament where the best kids were picked for a state team, then went to nationals and into further hockey and so on. by keeping everyone playing for their clubs, rather than trying to concentrate all the talent into one side, the competition bred super competitive, hard-working and cohesive teams that played the game in a dynamic (and distinctly different) manner across clubs, rather than a bunch of precious angels enslaved to a curriculum.
i don't know too much about junior soccer pre-jets in newcastle, but there does seem to be an excessive focus on "elite squads" and "academies" and the like, rather than solid, week-in, week-out competition. is the competition just too fractured in junior soccer? i.e. ID's, elites or whatever else is the go?
forgive the rambling, hopefully said something of note
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/U_VesebLjFE/hqdefault.jpg
I will just go straight to the crux of my beef with the whole thing and answer the questions you posed Q in the last paragraph IMO of course.
The reason there is a focus on " elite squads " and " academies " is the moment you use those words the price goes from a lazy couple hundred dollars for an interdistrict rego give or take a few dollars to anything nearer 1k when you get to the Elite and Academies you make reference to.
Even 1k is light on for some clubs in Metro Sydney. Am going back a few years ago now but one club in the Western Suburbs of Sydney was charging what 1k would be deemed as just the deposit, And yes we are talking age groups where most kids would still be made to be in bed by 9.00pm.
Half the time the money is being used to pay Snr players at some of these clubs and has absolutely nothing to do with the development of the child's footballing ability. This is why i made the point that the game is being funded from the ground/grassroots up.
All IMO of course.
belchardo
12-04-2016, 06:40 AM
Half the time the money is being used to pay Snr players at some of these clubs and has absolutely nothing to do with the development of the child's footballing ability. This is why i made the point that the game is being funded from the ground/grassroots up.
Completely agree. I played IDs over 10 years ago and the juniors were paying my rego. Couldn't believe it then, can believe it even less now.
just a question, is the problem that the EJ's don't have enough cash to pay a scout and rather are waiting for the prospective parents to stump up the cash for their young lionels? or is it that there's a fairly glaring hole in scouting from top to bottom by the local, state and national federations, that's probably been allowed to fester due to sokkah politics that has been going on for donkeys years?
i grew up playing hockey in newcastle, and even though there was perceived bias towards certain clubs from parties at times (i've been guilty about complaining about it in the past, for the most part wrongly i must admit), the clubs and selectors generally didn't miss much, the best kids were in the development squads and were given every opportunity to then go for higher representative honours and the like.
i don't know if it's changed now, but the general notion was that the best kids were left to play for their clubs through the season, and were for the most part spread across all the clubs (cyclical changes/family dynasties aside), and came together for a yearly state tournament where the best kids were picked for a state team, then went to nationals and into further hockey and so on. by keeping everyone playing for their clubs, rather than trying to concentrate all the talent into one side, the competition bred super competitive, hard-working and cohesive teams that played the game in a dynamic (and distinctly different) manner across clubs, rather than a bunch of precious angels enslaved to a curriculum.
i don't know too much about junior soccer pre-jets in newcastle, but there does seem to be an excessive focus on "elite squads" and "academies" and the like, rather than solid, week-in, week-out competition. is the competition just too fractured in junior soccer? i.e. ID's, elites or whatever else is the go?
forgive the rambling, hopefully said something of note
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/U_VesebLjFE/hqdefault.jpg
As for scouting kids in Newy
The Jets play each NPL side twice. There is a good start to scouting the rest of the kids in the NPL
That doesn't even include the coaches getting off their arses and checking out other games
Newy is also a small place so establish relationships and you become aware of kids with talent not in the NPL set up
Scouting locals could be done a hell of a lot better than it currently is without even paying someone as a scout
I am pretty certain the Gypos ain't paying scouts but scouring far and wide establishing relationships that bring them the Rogic Ryan Ibini etc
As for Academies and elite programs they are nothing but cash cows for those running them
Funds are being ripped out of parents to pay for senior players wages or to fund wages of beurecrats
That isn't s reflection on just the EJ but everywhere
Hunter403
12-04-2016, 07:49 AM
As for scouting kids in Newy
The Jets play each NPL side twice. There is a good start to scouting the rest of the kids in the NPL
That doesn't even include the coaches getting off their arses and checking out other games
Newy is also a small place so establish relationships and you become aware of kids with talent not in the NPL set up
Scouting locals could be done a hell of a lot better than it currently is without even paying someone as a scout
I am pretty certain the Gypos ain't paying scouts but scouring far and wide establishing relationships that bring them the Rogic Ryan Ibini etc
As for Academies and elite programs they are nothing but cash cows for those running them
Funds are being ripped out of parents to pay for senior players wages or to fund wages of beurecrats
That isn't s reflection on just the EJ but everywhere
I agree.
The Jets don't scout! Last season, after having watched the NPL and SAP programme all season and knowing the capabilities of the kids they all ready had, the Jets took another 6 weeks of trials to make the few changes that they made. During this period the NPL clubs weren't allowed to recruit and this created a massive feeding frenzy particularly in the 13s. Huge mess.
As for costs. A friend's son pays 1500 for Jets rego plus a shed load of other costs during the season. My son plays NPL and his rego is just under 1000. My other son who plays community in the same age as the other boy, pays 250.
The joke with the Jets is they pay 1500 to play in the same comp as those kids that pay 1000. Apparently it's for the better coaching but as the NPL coaching bar has been raised you would have to question that argument.
I know one kid who has it all except that his parents are skint. The Jets wanted him but they couldn't afford it. There is where it's wrong. There is a real talent that won't be in the (allegedly) best group available in our region.
Jetmaster
12-04-2016, 08:12 AM
The number of great players around the world from poverty stricken families (particularly South America) should ram this home...someone like Maradona would not be allowed into an EJ program.
There are families paying overs for a several kids in the same family, as well as for equipment AND overseas trips. What return will they get on their 2nd mortgage?
I agree we need to scout more - should we wait 6-8 years for one gem to appear in the EJ.....or should we just scout better (why not sign that mini Amini kid from the kick around at Gosford on the weekend)?
stopper2
14-04-2016, 10:11 AM
From what I have read, there have been numerous players who have chosen to go and play for local NPL clubs rather than stick with the Emerging Jets/Youth program; Hay, MacDonald, Pettit just a few off the top of my head. Just in recent days you have Crowley and Tuxford also decide to leave and try their luck in the Victorian NPL. Obviously the kids see no benefit from remaining in the program and probably more importantly see no pathway to the Jets A League side.
When you consider Cowburn is the only one who could say has made a successful transition from the program to A League level in the last 3 years (the last one prior was Hoole), questions need to be asked.
Is the coaching up to standard?
Are the players up to standard?
Do the club have KPI's for players coming through the program. Surely there must be a goal for say to get at least 1 or even 2 players up to the senior squad every year, otherwise what is the point of having it?
Over the course of the year you see other clubs blooding Youth team players occasionally, exposing them to A League level....who from the Youth team apart from Crowley has had any game time?
Definitely is something which needs improving at all levels.
Grimario
14-04-2016, 10:16 AM
Pawaik?
StannyCFCJET
14-04-2016, 10:19 AM
Pawaik?
Has he even played once off the bench? Ive heard heaps of raps on this kid shorely he was worth a punt earlier in the season when kanta was suspended and watson was chosen
Jeterpool
14-04-2016, 10:25 AM
Pawaik?
Has he even played once off the bench? Ive heard heaps of raps on this kid shorely he was worth a punt earlier in the season when kanta was suspended and watson was chosen
Was on the bench but never made it on the field. And yes, I think he was worth a punt too. He is technically very good on the ball in the two matches I've seen him play. I accept that's a small sample size.
stopper2
14-04-2016, 10:37 AM
I recall the second game this season against SFC, Pawiak was a sub and was warming up when he got a call to get ready to come on. As fate would have it, within a minute or two Smeltz kicks Birraz in the face and BK has to come on for the injured Birraz. As BK was our third sub, Pawiak misses his opportunity to get some gametime and never gets an opportunity again. As Jeterpool mentions, yes he has been on the bench but like Lundy for some reason only Mr Miller knows, were never given a chance after that SFC game to get anywhere near coming on the field.
StannyCFCJET
14-04-2016, 11:03 AM
The biggest angry point for me was sticking with senior players who either were shit house or didn't have the ability to influence the game every week instead of maybe trying one or more youngsters for a few weeks and seeing what happens. I feel that if Triffo watson or carney and maybe enver were probs dropped for a few weeks and replaced they would've upped there game and the squad would've been working even harder cause they know if players dont perform they wont be reselected
stopper2
14-04-2016, 11:35 AM
The biggest angry point for me was sticking with senior players who either were shit house or didn't have the ability to influence the game every week instead of maybe trying one or more youngsters for a few weeks and seeing what happens. I feel that if Triffo watson or carney and maybe enver were probs dropped for a few weeks and replaced they would've upped there game and the squad would've been working even harder cause they know if players dont perform they wont be reselected
That's basically the point I was trying to make a few weeks back that in so many games we finished the game with 1 or 2 unused subs, in particular if we were chasing the game. In the end we lost the points and likes of Lundy, Pawiak, Crowley, Pavicevic were not given an opportunity to show what they can do in a real match environment.....where it counts. In effect, a double whammy.
StannyCFCJET
14-04-2016, 11:36 AM
That's basically the point I was trying to make a few weeks back that in so many games we finished the game with 1 or 2 unused subs, in particular if we were chasing the game. In the end we lost the points and likes of Lundy, Pawiak, Crowley, Pavicevic were not given an opportunity to show what they can do in a real match environment.....where it counts. In effect, a double whammy.
Miller needs to learn from this mistake really quick cause if he does the same things next season were ****ed
monz6
15-04-2016, 07:05 PM
That's basically the point I was trying to make a few weeks back that in so many games we finished the game with 1 or 2 unused subs, in particular if we were chasing the game. In the end we lost the points and likes of Lundy, Pawiak, Crowley, Pavicevic were not given an opportunity to show what they can do in a real match environment.....where it counts. In effect, a double whammy.
Mostly I agree with this post. but Crowley was given a great chance... In front of an open goal from two metres out. He puts that in maybe he gets another chance to show what he can do. Imo I don't think pawiak is up to HAL standard yet but he still deserved a spot over Watson. That guy isn't even npl standard
plague
15-04-2016, 08:47 PM
my kid played 7's last year with a kid that was ok but not great but his old man was a dickhead (classic sideline hero yelling at 6 year olds and keeping score etc ect) anyway he tells me at the end of season his kid has been 'selected' to attend (insert former players name here) 'Summer camp'.
After I told him if I pony up the rego I could get my pet lab 'selected' to the same camp the relationship soured.
I guarantee the kid won't be playing football by the time he's 16. Parents living their lives through their kids are the real problem here.
my kid played 7's last year with a kid that was ok but not great but his old man was a dickhead (classic sideline hero yelling at 6 year olds and keeping score etc ect) anyway he tells me at the end of season his kid has been 'selected' to attend (insert former players name here) 'Summer camp'.
After I told him if I pony up the rego I could get my pet lab 'selected' to the same camp the relationship soured.
I guarantee the kid won't be playing football by the time he's 16. Parents living their lives through their kids are the real problem here.
Cool story bro
But exactly how is it relevant here??
Draw the line to your point please
plague
15-04-2016, 11:15 PM
Cool story bro
But exactly how is it relevant here??
Draw the line to your point please
Because you can buy your way into anything.
Don't mean you're anything great.
Bring full circle on the Jets scouts. They lacked a #10, found Hoole in the local comp then did what.
Jets produced Kale.
Big picture so what?
Scrap the whole damn system. Spend NNSW funds in local clubs and cherry pick when it suits.
Then maybe hire a first team coach that isn't a **** to them.
I'll let you pick up the baton for the home straight.
Because you can buy your way into anything.
Don't mean you're anything great.
Bring full circle on the Jets scouts. They lacked a #10, found Hoole in the local comp then did what.
Jets produced Kale.
Big picture so what?
Scrap the whole damn system. Spend NNSW funds in local clubs and cherry pick when it suits.
Then maybe hire a first team coach that isn't a **** to them.
I'll let you pick up the baton for the home straight.
So you can buy your way into everything
Yep you are right there. It is a principle in life. Everything has a price
Not as relevant here with the EJ as you already have to PAY to get a kid in the program
Bit different if it was not costing the parents money already and selection was 100% based on ability
Then the brown paper bags may come into the equation and be relevant
Anyway cool story bro
plague
16-04-2016, 09:09 AM
So you can buy your way into everything
Yep you are right there. It is a principle in life. Everything has a price
Not as relevant here with the EJ as you already have to PAY to get a kid in the program
Bit different if it was not costing the parents money already and selection was 100% based on ability
Then the brown paper bags may come into the equation and be relevant
Anyway cool story bro
Nah it's not a cool story you just don't understand other people's posts.
So how are you going to fix this joke of a program?
I say scrap it.
You?
Nah it's not a cool story you just don't understand other people's posts.
So how are you going to fix this joke of a program?
I say scrap it.
You?
Under its current model with Northern running it and the lack of adequate funding it needs scrapping
With some funding you could do a lot with it.
Problem is that Northern have a piss poor record at developing kids the last 30 years anyway
Add in the coaching appointments are not exactly top shelf anyway and the lack of money into it and it is obvious why we have the cluster**** it is
my kid played 7's last year with a kid that was ok but not great but his old man was a dickhead (classic sideline hero yelling at 6 year olds and keeping score etc ect) anyway he tells me at the end of season his kid has been 'selected' to attend (insert former players name here) 'Summer camp'.
After I told him if I pony up the rego I could get my pet lab 'selected' to the same camp the relationship soured.
I guarantee the kid won't be playing football by the time he's 16. Parents living their lives through their kids are the real problem here.
good, I saw one of those arrogant pricks last weekend in u8's.
kid scores his 10th goal against weak opposition and he's "stick it up em johnny". had tell the toe rag hero to pull his head in.
plague
16-04-2016, 09:41 AM
Under its current model with Northern running it and the lack of adequate funding it needs scrapping
With some funding you could do a lot with it.
Problem is that Northern have a piss poor record at developing kids the last 30 years anyway
Yeah this seems to be the main issue isn't it, but is there any chance of NNSW ever not demanding its nose be in amongst this?
Yeah this seems to be the main issue isn't it, but is there any chance of NNSW ever not demanding its nose be in amongst this?
Whilst ever they are funding it anyway then no
Even when Tinkler was funding it they were still contributing so get their say
That also being said HSG were allowing them involvement just to keep them footing the bill entirely
At the end of the day until Northern get competent governance they are going to hinder this program
GO AWAY
18-04-2016, 12:58 PM
As for scouting kids in Newy
The Jets play each NPL side twice. There is a good start to scouting the rest of the kids in the NPL
That doesn't even include the coaches getting off their arses and checking out other games
Newy is also a small place so establish relationships and you become aware of kids with talent not in the NPL set up
Scouting locals could be done a hell of a lot better than it currently is without even paying someone as a scout
I am pretty certain the Gypos ain't paying scouts but scouring far and wide establishing relationships that bring them the Rogic Ryan Ibini etc
As for Academies and elite programs they are nothing but cash cows for those running them
Funds are being ripped out of parents to pay for senior players wages or to fund wages of beurecrats
That isn't s reflection on just the EJ but everywhere
Once in the jets program, harder for kids who probably should be there to get back in.... watching the coaching staff yesterday, all they were interested in was their beloved jets kids, no thought of watching kids who are playing U22/First Grade NPL at 17/18yo, this happens every week of the year. Not one parent/supporter of the jets purchased or were interested in buying 100 club numbers ( sold out against Valentine the week before apparently ), and not one representative of the teams coach/manager/strapper whoever came to opposition club after the game..... this is the reason unfortunately a us v them attitude develops, and it shouldn't be that way.
ForeverRed
18-04-2016, 04:00 PM
Once in the jets program, harder for kids who probably should be there to get back in.... watching the coaching staff yesterday, all they were interested in was their beloved jets kids, no thought of watching kids who are playing U22/First Grade NPL at 17/18yo, this happens every week of the year. Not one parent/supporter of the jets purchased or were interested in buying 100 club numbers ( sold out against Valentine the week before apparently ), and not one representative of the teams coach/manager/strapper whoever came to opposition club after the game..... this is the reason unfortunately a us v them attitude develops, and it shouldn't be that way.
you cant blame parents for not forking out on game day, $10 each for mum and dad to watch little johnny play plus the $1000 or so to be a junior jet add a couple of siblings hitting the tuck shop doesnt leave much change
belchardo
18-04-2016, 09:19 PM
Even lowey reads the forum. :rof:
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3854214/no-system-is-perfect/?cs=306
Jonty
18-04-2016, 10:05 PM
There is so much politics and bullshit in the whole youth setup of the club it makes me sick - look at some of these talented names who are now lost to the club who never got a proper chance: Bradbury, M Kantarovski, Finlayson, Papas, Remington, Lundy...and I'm sure there are more I've missed. Guys who were initially selected for the NPL season have left before it started, because they must have had enough of the closed shop and glass ceiling after seeing the previous names be strung along and then thrown on the scrapheap. Guys like Hay, McDonald, Tuxford, and even Crowley must have seen that there was no pathway to a professional contract at the club and that they were wasting their time there.
And now, the youth setup is paying for it. I called it before the NPL season that they'd regret the lack of opportunity given to the most talented homegrown youth. So far, my concerns have been justified. The 1st grade squad is paper thin, with many kids in the starting XI who are totally out of their depth at this stage. I was concerned with what I saw at Weston in patches and I was kept up to date with proceedings yesterday at Azzuri which ended up as a disaster. You have a keeper who is making schoolboy errors week in, week out. You have a 3 man backline - none of which are centre-backs. Apart from Joice up top, you have a very lightweight front third. Almost no recruitment happened to replace the guys who recently left as well as Tom Whiteside who was a rock at the back for the last few years. Pretty well no strengthening of the backline has occurred. Off the top of my head, there are only 3 'senior' players left in the youth squad - Burke (injured), Waller (returning from injury) and Pawiak, who's been left holding the bag while the other 2 are returning to fitness.
This then has a flow on effect to the sides playing in the U22's and U19's. I saw the 22's get punted 4-0 at Weston a fortnight ago and they were horribly, horribly outclassed. Many out of their depth in that game too, most likely having to step up to fill the holes above.
Jonty
18-04-2016, 10:26 PM
Forgot to mention some other talented youngsters who were shafted and discarded, or left due to a lack of opportunity - Michael Williams, Josh Murray, Tom Davies. All quality young defenders who would have been of great value to the current Jets Youth side.
stopper2
19-04-2016, 11:01 AM
There is so much politics and bullshit in the whole youth setup of the club it makes me sick - look at some of these talented names who are now lost to the club who never got a proper chance: Bradbury, M Kantarovski, Finlayson, Papas, Remington, Lundy...and I'm sure there are more I've missed. Guys who were initially selected for the NPL season have left before it started, because they must have had enough of the closed shop and glass ceiling after seeing the previous names be strung along and then thrown on the scrapheap. Guys like Hay, McDonald, Tuxford, and even Crowley must have seen that there was no pathway to a professional contract at the club and that they were wasting their time there.
And now, the youth setup is paying for it. I called it before the NPL season that they'd regret the lack of opportunity given to the most talented homegrown youth. So far, my concerns have been justified. The 1st grade squad is paper thin, with many kids in the starting XI who are totally out of their depth at this stage. I was concerned with what I saw at Weston in patches and I was kept up to date with proceedings yesterday at Azzuri which ended up as a disaster. You have a keeper who is making schoolboy errors week in, week out. You have a 3 man backline - none of which are centre-backs. Apart from Joice up top, you have a very lightweight front third. Almost no recruitment happened to replace the guys who recently left as well as Tom Whiteside who was a rock at the back for the last few years. Pretty well no strengthening of the backline has occurred. Off the top of my head, there are only 3 'senior' players left in the youth squad - Burke (injured), Waller (returning from injury) and Pawiak, who's been left holding the bag while the other 2 are returning to fitness.
This then has a flow on effect to the sides playing in the U22's and U19's. I saw the 22's get punted 4-0 at Weston a fortnight ago and they were horribly, horribly outclassed. Many out of their depth in that game too, most likely having to step up to fill the holes above.
Right on the money here Jonty!
Last 12 months you are getting more and more players in the 18-20 years age group realising hey my chances of getting into the Jets A League side are virtually zilch, may as well go to an NPL side and get a few hundred bucks a game. I would say it has reached a bit of a "crisis" stage this season and could get embarrassing for both the Jets and the NNSW NPL as a whole when scores start blowing out. One thing since the Jets youth have been in the NNSW NPL, if they have not been amongst the top sides, they have always at least been competitive, early signs are that this won't be the case. Poor decision-making over a number of years and a poor culture in the treatment of players has led to the current status quo.
The question now is, how does the club win back the trust of young players in this region because at the moment it's clear that players do not see the jets youth team as a "pathway" anymore....more like a "dead-end"!!!
Jonty
19-04-2016, 01:00 PM
Well said, stopper. There are players in that squad who have undoubtedly had to put work and/or studies on hold in order to be part of this program, and as you mention, when they see the writing on the wall, or realise that glass ceiling is never going to break, they decide that fighting a lost cause and making the sacrifice for a laughable paycheck every week is not sustainable.
Certainly has the potential for blowout scorelines when inevitably injuries and suspensions hit, and also if anyone else decides the exit door is a better option, forcing a kid who's even more out of his depth to make up the numbers.
stopper2
19-04-2016, 02:59 PM
Jonty you made mention of a few boys from the 1997 age group who are no longer involved with the program.
I recall a few years back when these boys as 14 year olds....Williams, Davies, Murray alongside Burke and Waller used to go down to Sydney mid-week and play against your Sydney sides like United, Marconi etc and were not only competitive but would regularly beat them. None other than Kasey Wehrman was their coach and the kids absolutley loved playing under him, it wasn't about stroking his ego as a fledgling coach, he was in it solely for developing these boys into footballers.
If I recall he was all about the kids playing results football and not a big fan of the FFA's stringent 4-3-3 curiculum, which meant he was going to be at loggerheads against the NNSW hierarchy. Can't remember whether he left or whether he was squeezed out but it's so typical of the politics involved at the coaching level in NNSW.
There is so much politics and bullshit in the whole youth setup of the club it makes me sick - look at some of these talented names who are now lost to the club who never got a proper chance: Bradbury, M Kantarovski, Finlayson, Papas, Remington, Lundy...and I'm sure there are more I've missed. Guys who were initially selected for the NPL season have left before it started, because they must have had enough of the closed shop and glass ceiling after seeing the previous names be strung along and then thrown on the scrapheap. Guys like Hay, McDonald, Tuxford, and even Crowley must have seen that there was no pathway to a professional contract at the club and that they were wasting their time there.
And now, the youth setup is paying for it. I called it before the NPL season that they'd regret the lack of opportunity given to the most talented homegrown youth. So far, my concerns have been justified. The 1st grade squad is paper thin, with many kids in the starting XI who are totally out of their depth at this stage. I was concerned with what I saw at Weston in patches and I was kept up to date with proceedings yesterday at Azzuri which ended up as a disaster. You have a keeper who is making schoolboy errors week in, week out. You have a 3 man backline - none of which are centre-backs. Apart from Joice up top, you have a very lightweight front third. Almost no recruitment happened to replace the guys who recently left as well as Tom Whiteside who was a rock at the back for the last few years. Pretty well no strengthening of the backline has occurred. Off the top of my head, there are only 3 'senior' players left in the youth squad - Burke (injured), Waller (returning from injury) and Pawiak, who's been left holding the bag while the other 2 are returning to fitness.
This then has a flow on effect to the sides playing in the U22's and U19's. I saw the 22's get punted 4-0 at Weston a fortnight ago and they were horribly, horribly outclassed. Many out of their depth in that game too, most likely having to step up to fill the holes above.
Good points.
I though disagree that the club should have bolstered their first grade side this season by recruiting
It is there responsibility to have the kids up to speed anyway. By recruiting in they are only papering over their failings anyway.
To have in September 2014 the champion of the NPL to now 18 months later having just Pawiak and Waller left says a hell of a lot about their succession and development planning or complete lack of it
A lot of the kids playing this season were playing 19s in September 2014. The reality is they are not quite ready yet. Where are the kids that were playing 22s in September 2014 who should be the ones pulling the side up??
They are either not there or not doing good enough.
Once again the coaching failing
You bring up the lack of CDs what about the lack of natural wide players in the system?? The 22s were playing CMs out on the wing the other week as they don't have wingers in the club
How the **** playing a 4-3-3 can you have the oversight to not have the wide players??
As for your comments on the keeper. He young he making some errors for now but I have faith in his ability long term. He has the talent so be a bit more patient and constructive with your criticism there
Jonty
19-04-2016, 05:43 PM
Good points.
I though disagree that the club should have bolstered their first grade side this season by recruiting
It is there responsibility to have the kids up to speed anyway. By recruiting in they are only papering over their failings anyway.
Yep, fair point that. I didn't look at it in that way. But I still can't help but feel maybe another 1 or 2 older heads is just what this side needs at this stage.
To have in September 2014 the champion of the NPL to now 18 months later having just Pawiak and Waller left says a hell of a lot about their succession and development planning or complete lack of it
A lot of the kids playing this season were playing 19s in September 2014. The reality is they are not quite ready yet. Where are the kids that were playing 22s in September 2014 who should be the ones pulling the side up??
Speaks volumes really to have just those two left and not much coming through. Perhaps the 22's of 2014 jumped before they were pushed? I don't know. From memory they were a handy enough side too.
You bring up the lack of CDs what about the lack of natural wide players in the system?? The 22s were playing CMs out on the wing the other week as they don't have wingers in the club
How the **** playing a 4-3-3 can you have the oversight to not have the wide players??
Yes, I did notice that out at Weston. The younger Lundy was playing as a left winger when he is a natural number 10 as was wasted by being played there. Was very isolated.
As for your comments on the keeper. He young he making some errors for now but I have faith in his ability long term. He has the talent so be a bit more patient and constructive with your criticism there
Not my intention to tear him to shreds, but I can see how it came across that way. What I meant to say was that perhaps he's not quite ready to be an NPL first grade #1, but the young lad has no choice but to step up and make a go of it after Tuxford's departure. Putting people in the deep end when they're not quite there yet can have a detrimental effect in the mid-to-long term, I know this first hand myself.
On another note, just thinking out loud back to my original post - why would the senior coaches at the club not have been willing to invest time in such talent, and even those who haven't been mentioned who were a part of the 2014 league winning side?
To the best of my knowledge nearly all of last year's 19s were let go.
They were not the greatest generation.
As a result the kids playing 19s this year are even younger than in previous years.
Just exacerbating the problem by having to replace nearly an entire generation of kids who should have been expected to step up and help out in higher grades
stopper2
19-04-2016, 07:21 PM
To the best of my knowledge nearly all of last year's 19s were let go.
They were not the greatest generation.
As a result the kids playing 19s this year are even younger than in previous years.
Just exacerbating the problem by having to replace nearly an entire generation of kids who should have been expected to step up and help out in higher grades
I recall a few years back the last team to play under the NSWIS banner which included the likes of Lundy, Papas, Pawiak and Hay etc. in the 19's comp won both the Premiership and the GF, losing one game all year!!! Lundy made 3 appearances in 2 seasons at A League level for the Jets and has now been shafted.
All that remains of this talented group in the Jets set-up is Pawiak and Waller in the Youth team.
this thread needs the Lifeline number in it. How depressing elite junior football politics is.
Jonty
21-04-2016, 06:23 AM
I recall a few years back the last team to play under the NSWIS banner which included the likes of Lundy, Papas, Pawiak and Hay etc. in the 19's comp won both the Premiership and the GF, losing one game all year!!! Lundy made 3 appearances in 2 seasons at A League level for the Jets and has now been shafted.
All that remains of this talented group in the Jets set-up is Pawiak and Waller in the Youth team.
That certainly was a golden generation for NNSWF that side, combined with the year above. How's this for a pretty handy squad of local juniors - Cowburn, Williams, Davies, Hay, Pawiak, Papas, M Kantarovski, Finlayson, Remington, Lundy, Bradbury, Murray, Waller. The bulk of these names were part of the 2014 Jets Youth side that won the league in the NPL. How times have changed. How many of these names have been given a decent crack in a senior environment by the club? A grand total of one.
That certainly was a golden generation for NNSWF that side, combined with the year above. How's this for a pretty handy squad of local juniors - Cowburn, Williams, Davies, Hay, Pawiak, Papas, M Kantarovski, Finlayson, Remington, Lundy, Bradbury, Murray, Waller. The bulk of these names were part of the 2014 Jets Youth side that won the league in the NPL. How times have changed. How many of these names have been given a decent crack in a senior environment by the club? A grand total of one.
What's even worse is the HAL side has been shit in this time frame so there is no excuse that the kids couldn't have been given a go
It different scenario if they were all 2006-2008 when we had a quality side.
Then you can understand why local Yoof may not have got a go
But when you are not in the finals for 6 years?? Now what exactly is the excuse why these kids were not given a go
It ain't like the senior players were doing the business
Wilso8948
21-04-2016, 07:18 AM
That certainly was a golden generation for NNSWF that side, combined with the year above. How's this for a pretty handy squad of local juniors - Cowburn, Williams, Davies, Hay, Pawiak, Papas, M Kantarovski, Finlayson, Remington, Lundy, Bradbury, Murray, Waller. The bulk of these names were part of the 2014 Jets Youth side that won the league in the NPL. How times have changed. How many of these names have been given a decent crack in a senior environment by the club? A grand total of one.
In saying that though. How many have gone on to bigger and better things at other clubs at A league level? Yes I understand opportunities etc and I'm a little beside the point but I just thought it was worth pointing out.
In saying that though. How many have gone on to bigger and better things at other clubs at A league level? Yes I understand opportunities etc and I'm a little beside the point but I just thought it was worth pointing out.
For a start if the kids ain't getting the opportunity to make a name for themselves at the Jets then they are not gonna be picked up by rival clubs
They have their own kids to look after
They ain't gonna be given chances to other clubs Yoof team players as they will sign their own established players and give their own Yoof a go first
That the sort of thing our club would do in give someone else's failed Yoof a go
Mate as soon as these kids end up back in the NPL it is almost certain career ending for them. There are not gonna be that many who escape the NPL
Wilso8948
21-04-2016, 08:16 AM
For a start if the kids ain't getting the opportunity to make a name for themselves at the Jets then they are not gonna be picked up by rival clubs
They have their own kids to look after
They ain't gonna be given chances to other clubs Yoof team players as they will sign their own established players and give their own Yoof a go first
That the sort of thing our club would do in give someone else's failed Yoof a go
Mate as soon as these kids end up back in the NPL it is almost certain career ending for them. There are not gonna be that many who escape the NPL
Yeh fully agree. As I said I understand they can't showcase without opportunities. Was just merely pointing it out that none of these have gone on to be world beaters. Remember that ultimately the A league should be seen as the elite of the elite, not including Europe etc. If there are certain kids who are in that category then I think that they will ultimately rise to the top no matter what system they are in. And lets be honest these kids are probably already in European youth systems not paying their way at the emerging Jets.
I suppose the goal of the emerging Jets is to increase the quality of youth throughout the region and increase the pool of talented youngsters the Jets can draw on and bring through. I see this as where they are failing as others have pointed out.
Jeterpool
21-04-2016, 08:35 AM
It may not have helped we have had 4 coaches in 3 years. They may have felt more reluctant to give youth a chance because they we re focused on saving/establishing their jobs.
It may not have helped we have had 4 coaches in 3 years. They may have felt more reluctant to give youth a chance because they we re focused on saving/establishing their jobs.
On the flipside, given the team wasn't performing you'd expect the fringe players to get a run.
Jeterpool
21-04-2016, 09:38 AM
On the flipside, given the team wasn't performing you'd expect the fringe players to get a run.
Very true
Jonty
21-04-2016, 12:51 PM
What's even worse is the HAL side has been shit in this time frame so there is no excuse that the kids couldn't have been given a go
It different scenario if they were all 2006-2008 when we had a quality side.
Then you can understand why local Yoof may not have got a go
But when you are not in the finals for 6 years?? Now what exactly is the excuse why these kids were not given a go
It ain't like the senior players were doing the business
****ing bingo. You don't need to be great to make a start, but you need to make a start to be great. Like trying to get a job fresh out of uni. Every place wants someone with 3 years experience, but how can you get that experience without being given a chance or a start somewhere?
As an example of youth development on the other end of the scale, Southampton over in England are world renowned for their academy. What they do with their top academy performers, quite often they will give them a 1 year senior deal and give them a chance in the senior environment. From there, it's sink or swim. A few are kept on - i.e. - Luke Shaw, James Ward-Prowse, Harrison Reed, Lloyd Isgrove, Adam Lallana, Matt Targett, Sam Gallagher. By no means are all of those household names, but they all have been given the senior exposure and have either gone onto bigger and better things, or the club has kept them on as an investment for the future. A lot don't make it past that first year out of the academy, but at least they are given a chance.
Closer to home, look at other HAL clubs who have given a decent opportunity to their kids. Not just one training camp, or a few weeks of being cannon fodder at senior training. Off the top of my head - Kamau (ADL), Clut (BRI), Rose (CCM). Given a chance, and have done some pretty decent things. Actually, I've seen Kamau twice play in the NYL 2 seasons ago - he couldn't get a start at ADL NYL!!! I was baffled he was even given a go off the bench at first, fast forward and he's scoring injury time winners away vs MVC. Clut played in a combined HS tournament against many of the Newy boys I mentioned above and were on a similar level. Rose IMHO is no better than our locals, but look at what some investment in youth does! There are many more, but I won't re-write war and peace.
Look at some of the CCM youth guys who have been given a go in the senior environment after their season was effectively killed off - Pearce, Heward-Belle, Bingham, Berry, Buhagiar etc. Pearce never really made inroads in Newy, Heward-Belle was the NYL #2 before Izzo was sent off one day, Bingham = poor man's Kale/Remo, Berry totally outclassed by Jets NYL midfield twice last season, Buhagiar = poor man's Bingham. Papas is down there ATM and IMO is more deserving of a go than those guys. Either in defence or in midfield.
So if you look at our 'golden generation' as I coined it above, what's our excuse for not investing in those guys? Because with the right development pathway and treatment, that could have been one hell of a youth contingent pushing the more established players at the club.
Jonty
21-04-2016, 12:57 PM
ETS coach Scott Miller says youth team striker Cameron Joice is on track to join the A-League squad before the start of next season.
Joice returned to Newcastle from a two-year stint at the FFA Centre of Excellence in Canberra early this year and trained for two weeks with the senior squad.
The former Joeys striker has joined the youth team under coach Clayton Zane and kicked off the Northern NSW NPL with three goals in two games.
Miller said this week that he was impressed with the 17-year-old’s attitude, technical ability and physical attributes.
“Coming through the AIS program, he was highly recommended,” Miller said.
“Clayton Zane has taken him on now, and that was the process, rather than to rush into anything, and he understands it as well. We value Cameron. We like his attributes as a footballer . . . I’d assume he’d be involved with the club at some point.”
The Jets released 19-year-old winger Brandon Lundy last weekend. Under A-League rules, they must have at least three contracted players aged under 20.
“The under 20s are ones you don’t necessarily rush into, but Cameron is definitely on the radar. We see him as that under-20 person at this club,” Miller said.
Joice’s next challenge will come with the youth team on Friday night against 2015 NPL champions Edgeworth.
Eagles defender Ayden Brice trained with the youth team over the summer but opted to return to the Eagles.
Edgeworth have started the year with wins over Lambton and Weston and beat the Jets comfortably in a pre-season trial.
Miller said Joice’s progress during the winter would determine his immediate future with the A-League club.
“Whether or not he lives up to those expectations in the next two to three months in that competition will be completely up to him, because contracts aren’t earned on a two-week trial.
“We want the under 20s to be consistent two-year deals where we can progress them and develop them, and they should be your supplementary squad in two years’ time.
“He’s got ability, but he’s got that physical characteristic where he’s only going to get bigger as well.
“You look at his lower body and you think he’s got ability to strengthen and get bigger.
“When he trained here it was interesting because he wasn’t up to the speed of it, but you could see his awareness of space.
“It’s not all about youth development, but you certainly need the right youth players in here, because they can’t hinder the session, because that will annoy the senior players, so you’ve got to be at least a minimum standard.”
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3862038/joice-on-target-for-a-league-deal/?cs=2439
Some past and present NYL guys got high praise from the boss in pre-season and the early parts of the campaign...and now no-one wants to know about them and ended up in the bin with the others. How long til Joice joins them? Or will the prestigious 'AIS' tag on his head be enough for the gaffer to invest in youth?
P.S - Nothing against Joice, serious question. He has impressed me with what I saw at Weston a fortnight ago.
Eagles defender Ayden Brice trained with the youth team over the summer but opted to return to the Eagles.
Heh.
Jonty
21-04-2016, 01:01 PM
Very true
I certainly don't think you need to field a squad full of youth players when senior players are not performing/season is gone (or even half, or a quarter), but surely there's opportunity there for a kid or two when the season IS gone, you're 2 or 3-0 down with say 20 to play and you normally only use 1 sub anyway.........
I certainly don't think you need to field a squad full of youth players when senior players are not performing/season is gone (or even half, or a quarter), but surely there's opportunity there for a kid or two when the season IS gone, you're 2 or 3-0 down with say 20 to play and you normally only use 1 sub anyway.........
Good point about getting kids on the bench and giving them a run.
Though I think we missed a couple of tricks at the end of the season
As far as I am concerned when we played Perth Glory and Roar we were out of the finals by that stage.
What was the point in picking our alleged best XI??
We should have taken the opportunity to give Jackson Brennan Cooper etc starts and gave them 90 mins. Throw in a few Yoof etc as well
We didn't even take the opportunity to develop them
Instead we picked our best available XI when it mattered little.
Fair enough Gypos away play best side
But what was the point of playing Alivodic Kitto etc when the coach alrwady had ideas they were not part of the future plans yet he leaves blokes out who are part of next season's squad??
Baffled
21-04-2016, 09:33 PM
Can no longer hold my tongue so thought to add a bit of truth on this matter. Firstly would like to disclose I am known to Reece Papas so can tell it as I know it with a bit of inside information. Papas has been over recent years one of Northerns highest achieving footballers for his age an FFA Aus rep U16 Afc qualifiers DM Aus School Boy rep u19 player of the tournament at the Australian Championships representing NSW CB. Aus School Boy Wales/England Tour Captain and player of the tour voted by coaching staff DM, MOM against English All School National side, every player in Academy sides such as Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal etc voted by English All School Committee, a very rare occurrence to be given to a player of a losing side and only once before given to an Australian player so a huge honour. Asked while there from an Aston Villa scout to trial, ended up staying 3 months and also trialled at QPR, Liverpool, Stoke, and Bolton. Offered a contract with Bolton and also asked to go back to Aston Villa, QPR and Stoke subject to getting a EU passport which was being processed but has taken 2 years to finalise just received this year. Played part of the last game of the season after being rested for 2 weeks from an injury with u21 Stoke v U21 Arsenal at Britania Stadium DM. Feedback from all was great player would do well but needs to be exceptional to be accepted as an overseas player a very big home grown policy has been put in place by their Governing body. Australian Nike Chance winner went to St George Park Uk over 5k applicants applied for the trial in Australia. Has represented Northern at all levels and captained all sides chosen in the All Star Sides. Went to Institute Challenge Canberra on 3 occasions hoping to be looked at for the AIS or told they were playing for an opportunity to be picked but found out the 4-5 positions available the kids had been already told they had been accepted prior to the Tournament being played, mainly from Adelaide and Perth funny that is where the 2 coaches were from?? Now back to the Jets, been involved for around 4 years whilst and after playing for NNSWIS. First contracted 13/14 NYL season after playing for them 2013 NBN comp for zip $0 the only player that played every game except the last which he was away at Nationals for the School Boys. The only player who was not paid while 2-3 players being paid were playing 22s the ones that were brought in from out of the area and contracted but were not up to playing first grade?? Another kick in the teeth for being local. After being selected in the Aus School Boys asked if he could go away expecting them to say no but they agreed to let him tour what a great experience. The aftermath of this was to be benched most games in the NYL before going away only to play against AIS as no overage players were allowed. When the opportunity came to extend the stay in the UK the Jets said they are going to cancel his contract. Does he come back to sit on the bench or play a couple of games that are left with the Jets in a development comp where there no finals etc or take the great opportunity to stay and trial?? I think the decision would be fairly easy. After further discussions with the Jets they apologised and supposedly after a meeting decided to honour is contract $100pw however no further payments were made. At this point he was ready to move on and with hindsight probably should have. He returned just in time for the NBN season and agreed to come back with the agreement he could have the opportunity play in the midfield instead of right back which they were making him play,everyone could see it was not the position for him except the powers to be. This was honoured for most of the season and was up there for player of the year behind Connor Evans this was announced and from that week never played there again was pushed back to CB for the rest of the reason I think they only won 1 of their remaining games. However it was a very successful year for them. When they all received their contracts for this season Reece never received 1 at this point and was told he will get his soon it is going to be different to everyone elses asking further questions he was told he is not going to be paid because he stayed in the UK. He was never paid why he was away they stopped them and never honour his contract as they agreed. After his parents got involved and asked questions they were told not to interfere as this is between the player and Club. The Club continued to argue the point but were told to check their records to show no payments were made as they continued to insist the contract was honoured as that is what they agreed to. A new contract was signed the next week no further discussions were had. The following NYL season they persisted at playing him predominantly RB and a bit of CB. 2015 NBN yet another coach not sure if he played more 2 games in a row in the one position was all over the place RB CB DM AM. Not sure how you can develop playing like this? Was told a year before from a senior coach it is great he can play several positions will really help him later on but it is hard to promote him because he does not have a specialised position. Who created that issue? Not the player but the coaches!!! As time went on more broken promises more bullshit less opportunity no communication no plan no pathway only going backwards due to bad decisions made by hierarchy. More players coming in with no more ability but getting opportunity players with lesser ability getting rewarded. Probably trained a handful of times with first team over all this time but kept being told next week. Went away with first team for preseason after impressing in the midfield at senior training then gets to play to try and impress put plays LB which he has never every played before. No communication upon return no commitments made, training now with 15 16 17 year olds not good for development or being pushed to that never level. Was told years ago by many people if you want to get anywhere with football should get out of here. Had several opportunities to leave a call from Steve Corica and his response was" thanks for asking but I would like to do the right thing by the Jets as they have put a lot of time in to me". Life lesson, loyalty gets you nowhere. After seeing no plan was bold enough to recognise it and called a staff member at the time to say he has had enough of all the bullshit and is finishing up has to start considering his future. Was offered if needed assistance to find another club, refused the offer and off his own back approached CCM to trial. After trialling for several weeks was offered a contract in the youth side for the NYL. Knowing he had to reestablish himself in a new environment was going to be challenging. So far all going well came in late so lost early opportunity to play with the first team at preseason but had the opportunity to play a preseason at Orange and has had more times training with the first team then he every had in Newcastle. Captained the youth side for NYL. Positive feedback wow what is that and appears been given a plan. A change and the challenge has been good, only issue has to now fight the battle of not being a local quite funny really being a local in Newcastle was a hindrance now not being a local works the same, such is life. Could go either way only time and hard work will tell.
Sorry about the long winded comment but just showing and trying to explain why so many get so frustrated with our so called development program.
Bremsstrahlung
21-04-2016, 10:34 PM
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=where+is+the+return+key+on+my+keyboard
ill get the pitchfork, going to jam it in a few jets management asses
furns
21-04-2016, 11:46 PM
Can no longer hold my tongue so thought to add a bit of truth on this matter. Firstly would like to disclose I am known to Reece Papas so can tell it as I know it with a bit of inside information. Papas has been over recent years one of Northerns highest achieving footballers for his age an FFA Aus rep U16 Afc qualifiers DM Aus School Boy rep u19 player of the tournament at the Australian Championships representing NSW CB. Aus School Boy Wales/England Tour Captain and player of the tour voted by coaching staff DM, MOM against English All School National side, every player in Academy sides such as Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal etc voted by English All School Committee, a very rare occurrence to be given to a player of a losing side and only once before given to an Australian player so a huge honour. Asked while there from an Aston Villa scout to trial, ended up staying 3 months and also trialled at QPR, Liverpool, Stoke, and Bolton. Offered a contract with Bolton and also asked to go back to Aston Villa, QPR and Stoke subject to getting a EU passport which was being processed but has taken 2 years to finalise just received this year. Played part of the last game of the season after being rested for 2 weeks from an injury with u21 Stoke v U21 Arsenal at Britania Stadium DM. Feedback from all was great player would do well but needs to be exceptional to be accepted as an overseas player a very big home grown policy has been put in place by their Governing body. Australian Nike Chance winner went to St George Park Uk over 5k applicants applied for the trial in Australia. Has represented Northern at all levels and captained all sides chosen in the All Star Sides. Went to Institute Challenge Canberra on 3 occasions hoping to be looked at for the AIS or told they were playing for an opportunity to be picked but found out the 4-5 positions available the kids had been already told they had been accepted prior to the Tournament being played, mainly from Adelaide and Perth funny that is where the 2 coaches were from?? Now back to the Jets, been involved for around 4 years whilst and after playing for NNSWIS. First contracted 13/14 NYL season after playing for them 2013 NBN comp for zip $0 the only player that played every game except the last which he was away at Nationals for the School Boys. The only player who was not paid while 2-3 players being paid were playing 22s the ones that were brought in from out of the area and contracted but were not up to playing first grade?? Another kick in the teeth for being local. After being selected in the Aus School Boys asked if he could go away expecting them to say no but they agreed to let him tour what a great experience. The aftermath of this was to be benched most games in the NYL before going away only to play against AIS as no overage players were allowed. When the opportunity came to extend the stay in the UK the Jets said they are going to cancel his contract. Does he come back to sit on the bench or play a couple of games that are left with the Jets in a development comp where there no finals etc or take the great opportunity to stay and trial?? I think the decision would be fairly easy. After further discussions with the Jets they apologised and supposedly after a meeting decided to honour is contract $100pw however no further payments were made. At this point he was ready to move on and with hindsight probably should have. He returned just in time for the NBN season and agreed to come back with the agreement he could have the opportunity play in the midfield instead of right back which they were making him play,everyone could see it was not the position for him except the powers to be. This was honoured for most of the season and was up there for player of the year behind Connor Evans this was announced and from that week never played there again was pushed back to CB for the rest of the reason I think they only won 1 of their remaining games. However it was a very successful year for them. When they all received their contracts for this season Reece never received 1 at this point and was told he will get his soon it is going to be different to everyone elses asking further questions he was told he is not going to be paid because he stayed in the UK. He was never paid why he was away they stopped them and never honour his contract as they agreed. After his parents got involved and asked questions they were told not to interfere as this is between the player and Club. The Club continued to argue the point but were told to check their records to show no payments were made as they continued to insist the contract was honoured as that is what they agreed to. A new contract was signed the next week no further discussions were had. The following NYL season they persisted at playing him predominantly RB and a bit of CB. 2015 NBN yet another coach not sure if he played more 2 games in a row in the one position was all over the place RB CB DM AM. Not sure how you can develop playing like this? Was told a year before from a senior coach it is great he can play several positions will really help him later on but it is hard to promote him because he does not have a specialised position. Who created that issue? Not the player but the coaches!!! As time went on more broken promises more bullshit less opportunity no communication no plan no pathway only going backwards due to bad decisions made by hierarchy. More players coming in with no more ability but getting opportunity players with lesser ability getting rewarded. Probably trained a handful of times with first team over all this time but kept being told next week. Went away with first team for preseason after impressing in the midfield at senior training then gets to play to try and impress put plays LB which he has never every played before. No communication upon return no commitments made, training now with 15 16 17 year olds not good for development or being pushed to that never level. Was told years ago by many people if you want to get anywhere with football should get out of here. Had several opportunities to leave a call from Steve Corica and his response was" thanks for asking but I would like to do the right thing by the Jets as they have put a lot of time in to me". Life lesson, loyalty gets you nowhere. After seeing no plan was bold enough to recognise it and called a staff member at the time to say he has had enough of all the bullshit and is finishing up has to start considering his future. Was offered if needed assistance to find another club, refused the offer and off his own back approached CCM to trial. After trialling for several weeks was offered a contract in the youth side for the NYL. Knowing he had to reestablish himself in a new environment was going to be challenging. So far all going well came in late so lost early opportunity to play with the first team at preseason but had the opportunity to play a preseason at Orange and has had more times training with the first team then he every had in Newcastle. Captained the youth side for NYL. Positive feedback wow what is that and appears been given a plan. A change and the challenge has been good, only issue has to now fight the battle of not being a local quite funny really being a local in Newcastle was a hindrance now not being a local works the same, such is life. Could go either way only time and hard work will tell.
Sorry about the long winded comment but just showing and trying to explain why so many get so frustrated with our so called development program.Dude
seriously
punctuation and paragraphs ffs
:blink:
Can no longer hold my tongue so thought to add a bit of truth on this matter. Firstly would like to disclose I am known to Reece Papas so can tell it as I know it with a bit of inside information. Papas has been over recent years one of Northerns highest achieving footballers for his age an FFA Aus rep U16 Afc qualifiers DM Aus School Boy rep u19 player of the tournament at the Australian Championships representing NSW CB. Aus School Boy Wales/England Tour Captain and player of the tour voted by coaching staff DM, MOM against English All School National side, every player in Academy sides such as Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal etc voted by English All School Committee, a very rare occurrence to be given to a player of a losing side and only once before given to an Australian player so a huge honour. Asked while there from an Aston Villa scout to trial, ended up staying 3 months and also trialled at QPR, Liverpool, Stoke, and Bolton. Offered a contract with Bolton and also asked to go back to Aston Villa, QPR and Stoke subject to getting a EU passport which was being processed but has taken 2 years to finalise just received this year. Played part of the last game of the season after being rested for 2 weeks from an injury with u21 Stoke v U21 Arsenal at Britania Stadium DM. Feedback from all was great player would do well but needs to be exceptional to be accepted as an overseas player a very big home grown policy has been put in place by their Governing body. Australian Nike Chance winner went to St George Park Uk over 5k applicants applied for the trial in Australia. Has represented Northern at all levels and captained all sides chosen in the All Star Sides. Went to Institute Challenge Canberra on 3 occasions hoping to be looked at for the AIS or told they were playing for an opportunity to be picked but found out the 4-5 positions available the kids had been already told they had been accepted prior to the Tournament being played, mainly from Adelaide and Perth funny that is where the 2 coaches were from?? Now back to the Jets, been involved for around 4 years whilst and after playing for NNSWIS. First contracted 13/14 NYL season after playing for them 2013 NBN comp for zip $0 the only player that played every game except the last which he was away at Nationals for the School Boys. The only player who was not paid while 2-3 players being paid were playing 22s the ones that were brought in from out of the area and contracted but were not up to playing first grade?? Another kick in the teeth for being local. After being selected in the Aus School Boys asked if he could go away expecting them to say no but they agreed to let him tour what a great experience. The aftermath of this was to be benched most games in the NYL before going away only to play against AIS as no overage players were allowed. When the opportunity came to extend the stay in the UK the Jets said they are going to cancel his contract. Does he come back to sit on the bench or play a couple of games that are left with the Jets in a development comp where there no finals etc or take the great opportunity to stay and trial?? I think the decision would be fairly easy. After further discussions with the Jets they apologised and supposedly after a meeting decided to honour is contract $100pw however no further payments were made. At this point he was ready to move on and with hindsight probably should have. He returned just in time for the NBN season and agreed to come back with the agreement he could have the opportunity play in the midfield instead of right back which they were making him play,everyone could see it was not the position for him except the powers to be. This was honoured for most of the season and was up there for player of the year behind Connor Evans this was announced and from that week never played there again was pushed back to CB for the rest of the reason I think they only won 1 of their remaining games. However it was a very successful year for them. When they all received their contracts for this season Reece never received 1 at this point and was told he will get his soon it is going to be different to everyone elses asking further questions he was told he is not going to be paid because he stayed in the UK. He was never paid why he was away they stopped them and never honour his contract as they agreed. After his parents got involved and asked questions they were told not to interfere as this is between the player and Club. The Club continued to argue the point but were told to check their records to show no payments were made as they continued to insist the contract was honoured as that is what they agreed to. A new contract was signed the next week no further discussions were had. The following NYL season they persisted at playing him predominantly RB and a bit of CB. 2015 NBN yet another coach not sure if he played more 2 games in a row in the one position was all over the place RB CB DM AM. Not sure how you can develop playing like this? Was told a year before from a senior coach it is great he can play several positions will really help him later on but it is hard to promote him because he does not have a specialised position. Who created that issue? Not the player but the coaches!!! As time went on more broken promises more bullshit less opportunity no communication no plan no pathway only going backwards due to bad decisions made by hierarchy. More players coming in with no more ability but getting opportunity players with lesser ability getting rewarded. Probably trained a handful of times with first team over all this time but kept being told next week. Went away with first team for preseason after impressing in the midfield at senior training then gets to play to try and impress put plays LB which he has never every played before. No communication upon return no commitments made, training now with 15 16 17 year olds not good for development or being pushed to that never level. Was told years ago by many people if you want to get anywhere with football should get out of here. Had several opportunities to leave a call from Steve Corica and his response was" thanks for asking but I would like to do the right thing by the Jets as they have put a lot of time in to me". Life lesson, loyalty gets you nowhere. After seeing no plan was bold enough to recognise it and called a staff member at the time to say he has had enough of all the bullshit and is finishing up has to start considering his future. Was offered if needed assistance to find another club, refused the offer and off his own back approached CCM to trial. After trialling for several weeks was offered a contract in the youth side for the NYL. Knowing he had to reestablish himself in a new environment was going to be challenging. So far all going well came in late so lost early opportunity to play with the first team at preseason but had the opportunity to play a preseason at Orange and has had more times training with the first team then he every had in Newcastle. Captained the youth side for NYL. Positive feedback wow what is that and appears been given a plan. A change and the challenge has been good, only issue has to now fight the battle of not being a local quite funny really being a local in Newcastle was a hindrance now not being a local works the same, such is life. Could go either way only time and hard work will tell.
Sorry about the long winded comment but just showing and trying to explain why so many get so frustrated with our so called development program.
Thanks for that.
Was not certain as to what the story was with Reece from the outside looking in.
Could see he was getting shafted and not played correctly or given the chance to develop correctly.
A glowing endorsement on the failings of the EJ right there
GO AWAY
22-04-2016, 10:33 AM
Not quite as long winded as baffled, but I to can vouch for the emerging jets, know a boy played for Macquarie ( Rep ) as a striker from U9 through to U13, was up there with most promising coming through, Cameron Joice was the Newcastle rep equivalent, then he played for NNSW every Wednesday night in Sydney against the Marconis, Sydney Olympics etc, but was played at RFB in the old 4-3-3 system, where was all technical driven and didn't matter that they were getting pumped 10-0 as long as they played 4-3-3.
His natural striking ability was lost, due to this, then U14 was not selected, but a certain coach brought in a new striker, friends son, and the boy went back to playing club football, and has learnt more playing first grade NPL with the men, then he would ever learn playing with the boys.
I could name a team of 17-18yo playing NPL and Newfm that should have been given more chances at the elite level. One is at Kahibah, couple at Azzuri, Valentine, Edgeworth and Magic ....... kids who lost faith in Emerging Jet selections and chose club football first.
StannyCFCJET
22-04-2016, 10:47 AM
This is exactly whats happening with cowburn the coaches and the player himself says he is best suited to central midfield yet where is he playing LB or RB :wtf::wtf::wtf:
GO AWAY
22-04-2016, 10:51 AM
Its like picking Mitchell Pearce for State of Origin and putting him on the wing haha
StannyCFCJET
22-04-2016, 10:58 AM
Its like picking Mitchell Pearce for State of Origin and putting him on the wing haha
Or picking Pearce for origin full stop
or putting trump in as pres
halo se7en
22-04-2016, 08:20 PM
Its like picking Mitchell Pearce for State of Origin and putting him on the wing haha
Or mentioning rugby league on a football forum...
Guerny
26-04-2016, 12:09 PM
Or by judging a youth program by looking at players who have done most of their youth training in a different program?
To be fair no single player has spent the majority of their youth training in the program yet.
At best they've spent ~3 years in the program and the rest was done somewhere else (a previous club's program)...
My point is it's too early to make sweeping judgements on the EJ yet.
(I know, I know, flying off the handle prematurely is more the style for this forum)
Or by judging a youth program by looking at players who have done most of their youth training in a different program?
To be fair no single player has spent the majority of their youth training in the program yet.
At best they've spent ~3 years in the program and the rest was done somewhere else (a previous club's program)...
My point is it's too early to make sweeping judgements on the EJ yet.
(I know, I know, flying off the handle prematurely is more the style for this forum)
Mate the ones who have been in it for a few years are showing little sign of drastic improvement you do realise
The sides across all grades should be getting better each year as the training and skills they are being exposed to should be making them better than the last generation They are not
The kids approaching HAL are probably the least promising side they have ever had.
The kids who showed promise were not developed adequately to improve to the required level
Reality is the EJ has big problems and is getting worse
The Dunster
26-04-2016, 01:35 PM
Or by judging a youth program by looking at players who have done most of their youth training in a different program?
To be fair no single player has spent the majority of their youth training in the program yet.
At best they've spent ~3 years in the program and the rest was done somewhere else (a previous club's program)...
My point is it's too early to make sweeping judgements on the EJ yet.
(I know, I know, flying off the handle prematurely is more the style for this forum)
Why is it better to develop your own talent pool of juniors rather than just poach the finished product from other clubs?
I mean what would it cost to run this program for five years and what sort of return would you expect from this"investment" [ and I use the term "investment" very loosely].
Drago
29-04-2016, 09:51 AM
ill get the pitchfork, going to jam it in a few jets management asses
Have heard around the traps that the Jets are actively trying to take some players from NPL clubs. Poor form considering the comp is in it's 4th week and will leave club sides short.
Obliviously don't give a shit about the local clubs.
Poor form I agree
They should have their players already
But not doing anything that any other NPL club isn't doing which is strengthening their squads if opportunity arises or is needed
stopper2
29-04-2016, 08:27 PM
Have heard around the traps that the Jets are actively trying to take some players from NPL clubs. Poor form considering the comp is in it's 4th week and will leave club sides short.
Obliviously don't give a shit about the local clubs.
It's a dog eat dog world out there. Same as when I remember a few years back the Jets Youth didn't finalise their squad until 2 weeks before the NPL season (it was the NBN state league back then) started. Luckliy enough the couple of players affected were able to find clubs but gee it's a crap way to treat players.
Daresay, the Jets Youth are now dangling the carrot in front of some NPL players, offering them a "pathway" to the seniors and the A League. Three years back you probaly would have had young players jump at the opportunity but the reality is now that many realise the Jets Youth is a dead-end and their is virtually buckleys chance of getting a gig in the A League.
It's a dog eat dog world out there. Same as when I remember a few years back the Jets Youth didn't finalise their squad until 2 weeks before the NPL season (it was the NBN state league back then) started. Luckliy enough the couple of players affected were able to find clubs but gee it's a crap way to treat players.
Daresay, the Jets Youth are now dangling the carrot in front of some NPL players, offering them a "pathway" to the seniors and the A League. Three years back you probaly would have had young players jump at the opportunity but the reality is now that many realise the Jets Youth is a dead-end and their is virtually buckleys chance of getting a gig in the A League.
Surely the Jets realize that this will just bring bad publicity to them.
Hopefully the players they are chasing are decent blokes and remain at the club that have given them an opportunity.
The question also needs asking of why are the Jets now chasing players? Surely this would have been sorted and all the players selected long ago? Are there more problems out at Speers Point other than the ones we all are aware of?
Round one they were a little thin numerically for depth across grades with the players in the system
They have also pushed kids up grades who are probably not ready for the level they are playing at.
This is then snowballing through the grades weakening the 22s who are pulling kids up from the 19sand then weakening the 19s who ate then pulling kids up from below in the NPL Yoof
AS a result all 3 grades are becoming a patch work makeshift side each week with players playing above their ability and grade. Not good for player development or team cohesion and all that stuff
They should have had this sorted pre season with adequate strength and depth in all grades but it just another example of the cluster**** that the EJ is
The EJ program should be just rolling on by now with the kids being in the system year in year out and only adding the occasional addition here and there. But no every year mass changes occur kids leave kids get punted and they rebuild again
Hard to work out what is worse The Jets HAL club in recent years or the EJ program.
Both cluster**** due to poor management
The Dunster
30-04-2016, 08:41 AM
This shit happens in all sports. It's hardly specific to the emerging Jets program. The focus is more on the people running the programs than there is on the development of the kids.
The simple rule of thumb is that if someone tells you your kid has potential and then asks you for money you tell them to piss off.
These programs need to carry the burden of risk that way the market will discipline them into making rational decisions / choosing only the kids most likely to succeed. Rather than hedging against failure by selecting the kids who's parents have the deepest pockets.
So what are they now 0 from 4 in the NPL
16 goals conceeded at an average of 4 a game
Why??
Why are there 5-6 defenders playing NPL not in the system who are old enough to play Jets Yoof but are either not wanted or choose to play elsewhere??
Why exactly are the kids Gary and Zane are backing getting towelled so convincingly yesterday by blokes like Kale Michael Kantarovski Finlayson and Virgili. IE blokes that done much more at the Jets than these kids have done and were still not deemed good enough
What is an embarrassment is that sometime soon Millertime has to pick 3 of them to giveHAL Yoof contracts too.
How the **** can he seriously do that??
You wouldn't pick any of them
mervan
20-05-2016, 09:44 PM
So what are they now 0 from 4 in the NPL
16 goals conceeded at an average of 4 a game
Why??
Why are there 5-6 defenders playing NPL not in the system who are old enough to play Jets Yoof but are either not wanted or choose to play elsewhere??
Why exactly are the kids Gary and Zane are backing getting towelled so convincingly yesterday by blokes like Kale Michael Kantarovski Finlayson and Virgili. IE blokes that done much more at the Jets than these kids have done and were still not deemed good enough
What is an embarrassment is that sometime soon Millertime has to pick 3 of them to giveHAL Yoof contracts too.
How the **** can he seriously do that??
You wouldn't pick any of them
Example, both the said coaches said that Goodwin wasn't up to it, Ange just picked 2 years after leaving the jets, you be the judge
borat
21-05-2016, 04:53 PM
Example, both the said coaches said that Goodwin wasn't up to it, Ange just picked 2 years after leaving the jets, you be the judge
It was Stubbins that let Goodwin go.
So another hiding today for the First Grade side
Exactly what they think they achieving by getting pasted like this every week???
Bet you they still played the stupid FFA endorsed 4-3-3 to the death
Hopefully their pass completion and duel stats were up.
Because the only one that really matters is the scoreboard but that don't look too pretty
the Dutch are killing the euros :blush:ops
The Dunster
22-05-2016, 02:40 PM
It was Stubbins that let Goodwin go.
GVE hardly backed the kid when he was in charge either.
Personally, I think Goodwin has a lot of ability but a brain the size of a pea when it comes to making decisions. More often than not he seems to choose the high risk option which is great when it works but more often than not it can leave a team vulnerable.
This season gone Goodwin has had the roll of the dice. Next season is anyone's guess.
Much better player in Adelaide than he was at Jets or at Heart.
stopper2
22-05-2016, 07:03 PM
GVE hardly backed the kid when he was in charge either.
Personally, I think Goodwin has a lot of ability but a brain the size of a pea when it comes to making decisions. More often than not he seems to choose the high risk option which is great when it works but more often than not it can leave a team vulnerable.
This season gone Goodwin has had the roll of the dice. Next season is anyone's guess.
Much better player in Adelaide than he was at Jets or at Heart.
Goodwin had a great season with Adelaide, hence the move overseas to the Dutch Eredivise.
Having a slight build he has struggled at times since he burst onto the scene with heart a few years back but he has bulked up a bit in size the last 12 months meaning he can compete much better in the A League, which is admittedly a quite physical league.
Shows how critical having the right coach and mentor is for the development of a young player. Goodwin left at the beginning of Stubbins' tenure as Jets coach and has had two years under the Spanish contingent of first Gombau, then Amor.
Daresay, if he had been here last year under the Muppet it would have been a backwards year in his development no doubt!
rhysd
26-05-2016, 10:48 AM
Jets u15s defeated Matildas 7-0
Jets u15s defeated Matildas 7-0
lololololololol
Grimario
26-05-2016, 12:31 PM
lololololololol
Why is that funny?
I thought it was a joke until I saw the official posting..
q-money
26-05-2016, 12:40 PM
bit more perspective on it
https://twitter.com/KateCohenKCS
ya gotta larf though, guess who was on the sidelines for the matildas, old mate 9/11 himself, GVE
Couscous
26-05-2016, 01:31 PM
GVE has clearly had an immensely positive effect on the young'uns. His only role with the Matildas was to support his daughter.
Probably.
Why is that funny?
What isn't funny about a shit U/15s team flogging one of the best teams in women's soccer?
bit more perspective on it
https://twitter.com/KateCohenKCS
ya gotta larf though, guess who was on the sidelines for the matildas, old mate 9/11 himself, GVE
so they weren't good enough to play through an U/15s midfield, and weren't able to defend through balls? :rof:
and the u/15s were very quick, yet the matildas wouldn't have lost if they played long balls of their own? :rof:
apologist in damage control ffs
Grimario
26-05-2016, 02:53 PM
What isn't funny about a shit U/15s team flogging one of the best teams in women's soccer?
All of it? 15 year old guys are still bigger and faster than fully grown women. You're expecting one of the best team in women's soccer, still made up of 50kg 150cm women to compete with 180cm+ guys?
Sweden lost to an U17 boys team recently
USWNT lost to the Men's U17 squad recently
USWNT lost to the Indian U16 boys squad a few years ago
Matilda's lost to Sydney FC U16 back in February as well
Go let some more goals in, will ya?
The Dunster
26-05-2016, 03:33 PM
All of it? 15 year old guys are still bigger and faster than fully grown women. You're expecting one of the best team in women's soccer, still made up of 50kg 150cm women to compete with 180cm+ guys?
Sweden lost to an U17 boys team recently
USWNT lost to the Men's U17 squad recently
USWNT lost to the Indian U16 boys squad a few years ago
Matilda's lost to Sydney FC U16 back in February as well
Go let some more goals in, will ya?
Matildas need to play a game against a Phil Stubbins coached male team to get their confidence back.
q-money
26-05-2016, 04:42 PM
yes it's a training run, yes they're trying to play out from the back etc, but you'd think international coaches would be having a hard look at how ineffective the matildas appeared to be at dealing with a high, hard press. if going over the top is the solution, you'd just roll a couple of big boppers in to deal with the high balls they'd have to play to get around them? anyway all academic, i didn't see the game etc, must be a sexist
stopper2
26-05-2016, 05:12 PM
Only last week the state NSWCHS (that's NSW Combined High Schools) championships were held up at Nelson Bay. That's some of the best state school boys aged 13-16 year old running around from the south coast right up to the Qld border.
The opinion from an "observer" was that the boys from the Sydney regions are way ahead of boys from this region, in terms of technical ability, awareness and speed.
This gap is only going to get wider too if we in NNSW don't start investing in better coaching and start bringing in top coaches not only at youth development level but also NPL level.
I'm afraid could be a while before we see the next "Nick Cowburn" come up through the NNSW ranks/Jets youth to play at A League level if things don't change.
Couscous
26-05-2016, 06:56 PM
Lulz at the Daily Mail's take. Its headline (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3609949/Matildas-lose-7-0-Newcastle-Jets-15s-Rio-Olympics-warm-up.html):
http://i.imgur.com/VRkkOPP.png
And the comments ...
moving on, the emerging jets are now CHAMPIONS get on the cans lads, only Leed or Mellow Yellow though
All of it? 15 year old guys are still bigger and faster than fully grown women. You're expecting one of the best team in women's soccer, still made up of 50kg 150cm women to compete with 180cm+ guys?
Sweden lost to an U17 boys team recently
USWNT lost to the Men's U17 squad recently
USWNT lost to the Indian U16 boys squad a few years ago
Matilda's lost to Sydney FC U16 back in February as well
Go let some more goals in, will ya?
So physicality is all that matters?
FMD nfi.
These women are among the best in women's football. They should be smart enough to beat some school kids ffs.
Grimario
27-05-2016, 12:36 PM
Try being 5 feet tall and defending against a 6ft defender with 30kg on you.
4 of the 7 goals were scored from crosses. Positioning was fine but how does being smart prevent you from being out muscled and out jumped in that situation?
monz6
27-05-2016, 01:21 PM
Try being 5 feet tall and defending against a 6ft defender with 30kg on you.
4 of the 7 goals were scored from crosses. Positioning was fine but how does being smart prevent you from being out muscled and out jumped in that situation?
While I think everyone is overreacting as it was a training run and the girls were missing heaps of player I simply can't stand this excuse. I've read it so many places. Crosses can be stopped before they get into the box. As a jets fan there's no way I'll excuse any goal next season because someone taller then our defenders out jumped them. Yeah it happens but it's not an excuse to sit back and say oh well.
Frodo
27-05-2016, 01:36 PM
While I think everyone is overreacting as it was a training run and the girls were missing heaps of player I simply can't stand this excuse. I've read it so many places. Crosses can be stopped before they get into the box. As a jets fan there's no way I'll excuse any goal next season because someone taller then our defenders out jumped them. Yeah it happens but it's not an excuse to sit back and say oh well.
This is as much a cop out as you're the points you are trying prove wrong.
*New point.. please take a breath before reading any further to avoid panty-bunching!*
The Matilda's don't play in the Newcastle U15s comp so the result is useless by itself, they need to be beating teams in the Women's World Cup and qualifiers, this match doesn't really affect that.
It also has nothing to do with the pay variations either. The Matildas deserve to be paid based on the time and effort they put in and the amount of income they bring to the business. And that is a totally different conversation than this thread.
Can we please stick to bagging out our local juniors in this thread and take our sexism to another thread?
monz6
27-05-2016, 01:52 PM
This is as much a cop out as you're the points you are trying prove wrong.
The Matilda's don't play in the Newcastle U15s comp so the result is useless by itself, they need to be beating teams in the Women's World Cup and qualifiers, this match doesn't really affect that.
It also has nothing to do with the pay variations either. The Matildas deserve to be paid based on the time and effort they put in and the amount of income they bring to the business. And that is a totally different conversation than this thread.
Can we please stick to bagging out our local juniors in this thread and take our sexism to another thread?
None of what you just said has anything to do with what I said... Where was I being sexist? Whether it's boys vs girls, girls vs girls, boys vs girls you can just say "oh it's ok that goal went in cause the attackers taller".
No goals should be excused in my opinion. I did not mention pay or sexes don't put words in my mouth to fuel your own arguemnent.
monz6
27-05-2016, 01:53 PM
This is as much a cop out as you're the points you are trying prove wrong.
The Matilda's don't play in the Newcastle U15s comp so the result is useless by itself, they need to be beating teams in the Women's World Cup and qualifiers, this match doesn't really affect that.
It also has nothing to do with the pay variations either. The Matildas deserve to be paid based on the time and effort they put in and the amount of income they bring to the business. And that is a totally different conversation than this thread.
Can we please stick to bagging out our local juniors in this thread and take our sexism to another thread?
Also what points am I trying to prove are wrong? Apart from the crosses one?
Jeterpool
27-05-2016, 01:55 PM
We'll all forget this when we beat England this weekend.
It's a slow news week, that's for sure.
monz6
27-05-2016, 01:56 PM
We'll all forget this when we beat England this weekend.
It's a slow news week, that's for sure.
And if we conceded a goal of a cross and someone excuses it cause Kane was taller than our defender and I say that's not an excuse I hope Baggins over here doesn't accuse me of being sexist
And if we conceded a goal of a cross and someone excuses it cause Kane was taller than our defender and I say that's not an excuse I hope Baggins over here doesn't accuse me of being sexist
exactly
Try being 5 feet tall and defending against a 6ft defender with 30kg on you.
4 of the 7 goals were scored from crosses. Positioning was fine but how does being smart prevent you from being out muscled and out jumped in that situation?
FMD - look at the players - they're not much bigger than the women ffs
if they get their body position right they'll either draw a foul or put the player off enough to avoid a goal
apologists ffs
This is as much a cop out as you're the points you are trying prove wrong.
The Matilda's don't play in the Newcastle U15s comp so the result is useless by itself, they need to be beating teams in the Women's World Cup and qualifiers, this match doesn't really affect that.
It also has nothing to do with the pay variations either. The Matildas deserve to be paid based on the time and effort they put in and the amount of income they bring to the business. And that is a totally different conversation than this thread.
Can we please stick to bagging out our local juniors in this thread and take our sexism to another thread?
So the Matildas will lose to any team with a tall striker lol
Since when are all the Matildas midgets ffs? 150cm and 50kg? **** off
The Dunster
27-05-2016, 02:30 PM
If the Matilda's played in lingerie they would have beaten any group of 15 year old lads very easily.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ei2y3_a96ps/Sa8KODeS1lI/AAAAAAAAAZ0/lAsWx6k5wq8/s400/SoccerBabes.jpg
q-money
27-05-2016, 02:40 PM
i think the kids would have beaten themselves
Hunter403
27-05-2016, 04:28 PM
Dunster and Q, are your writing for each other now. Talk about setting that one up!:brrr:
i think the kids would have beaten themselves
:lulzturtle:
Frodo
27-05-2016, 06:23 PM
None of what you just said has anything to do with what I said... Where was I being sexist? Whether it's boys vs girls, girls vs girls, boys vs girls you can just say "oh it's ok that goal went in cause the attackers taller".
No goals should be excused in my opinion. I did not mention pay or sexes don't put words in my mouth to fuel your own arguemnent.
Calm down Monz. I was referring to your comment on crosses only. I thought i had highlighted that particular line from your quote. Don't go giving yourself an aneurysm mate.
What i meant was... Saying that they would have won by not allowing crosses was as simple a view point as saying that they only lost because of the Jets height advantage. Simples!
plague
27-05-2016, 08:12 PM
yeah but lets see those Jets boys do the washing ey.
yeah but lets see those Jets boys do the washing ey.
Women's football 5 5 5
What a joke.
They want to be compensated more.
For what??
Any money they get now is over payment and charity from leftists do gooders
Bremsstrahlung
27-05-2016, 09:17 PM
Love thy neighbour hey?
Frodo
28-05-2016, 07:04 AM
Women's football 5 5 5
What a joke.
They want to be compensated more.
For what??
Any money they get now is over payment and charity from leftists do gooders
Thats a load shite member. You yourself have said in the past that they should be paid based on what they bring to the game. If you think they bring nothing than you're blind, which is fine, but don't just write them off because they have to sit down to pee! That's bullshite.
Young girls enjoy football, the Matilda's and the W League are something for them to aspire to.
The A league has avg attendances of around 13,000. The Women's league in the US averages just over 5000. That's not bad. The MLS averages about 21000. The Women's Bundesliga averages about 1000 as does the English women's league.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Women%27s_Cup
Have a look at the attendance figures on that list. There is a decent market to work with there.
Mostly tho, i don't know why we care about them getting a payrise. It won't cost us any money, the increase figure they want is minuscule compared to what gets spent in our game. Take some money from the failed rowing club that couldn't make it to the Olympics and give it to the girls.
The Dunster
28-05-2016, 10:07 AM
I was probably more pumped when the Matildas were crowned Asian Champions than when the Socceroos did it a few years later.
Overall, I probably have more respect for the Matildas because they have always done it the hard way and never complained about it.
Jetmaster
28-05-2016, 10:43 AM
Watch the girls now and then but am often disappointed. It just looks a different game, so slow sometimes - and goalkeeping, even at high levels, is often very poor. Tha said in women's sport it's a damn sight more exciting than netball, hockey and basketball.
TBH I find the young kids when they are playing mixed football more entertaining.
Thats a load shite member. You yourself have said in the past that they should be paid based on what they bring to the game. If you think they bring nothing than you're blind, which is fine, but don't just write them off because they have to sit down to pee! That's bullshite.
Young girls enjoy football, the Matilda's and the W League are something for them to aspire to.
The A league has avg attendances of around 13,000. The Women's league in the US averages just over 5000. That's not bad. The MLS averages about 21000. The Women's Bundesliga averages about 1000 as does the English women's league.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Women%27s_Cup
Have a look at the attendance figures on that list. There is a decent market to work with there.
Mostly tho, i don't know why we care about them getting a payrise. It won't cost us any money, the increase figure they want is minuscule compared to what gets spent in our game. Take some money from the failed rowing club that couldn't make it to the Olympics and give it to the girls.
Not recall saying ever that they should be paid in accordance with what they bring to the game. But let's take that and go with it
Based on getting beaten 7-0 by a bunch of schoolboys then they probably should be handing back every cent football and the taxpayers have provided them
Only fair based on results??
The Dunster
28-05-2016, 11:10 AM
Not recall saying ever that they should be paid in accordance with what they bring to the game. But let's take that and go with it
Based on getting beaten 7-0 by a bunch of schoolboys then they probably should be handing back every cent football and the taxpayers have provided them
Only fair based on results??
Apart from ultra distance swimming what sport is there where 15 year old boys can't beat the best women in the world with relative ease ?
Anyway - I'd be a lot more concerned with the favours governments do the banking and finance sector than the crumbs they provide to women's football in this country.
plague
28-05-2016, 11:29 AM
Apart from ultra distance swimming what sport is there where 15 year old boys can't beat the best women in the world with relative ease ?
Dick waving?
Apart from ultra distance swimming what sport is there where 15 year old boys can't beat the best women in the world with relative ease ?
Anyway - I'd be a lot more concerned with the favours governments do the banking and finance sector than the crumbs they provide to women's football in this country.
This isn't the best XI of 15 year olds in the country
It is a collection of 15 year olds from the 6th largest city in the country
It is not even the best XI the 6th largest metropolis can come up with when you consider the EJ are missing kids whose parents can't afford the costs are missing kids who would rather play out of the EJ program and it also includes kids who are their on reasons other than merit.
It is also a program that has many failings and is struggling
In spite of all this they whooped the arse of the best female players in the country
That to me says a hell of a lot about the inferiority of the woman's game in this country
The Dunster
28-05-2016, 03:54 PM
My background is in tennis and I'd be confident that there would be 15 year old males without a racquet deal or any chance of one day turning professional that would have no trouble beating any woman on the planet. [ Except for those hot Euro chicks on the tour - for obvious reasons]
So what ? The women's game makes a shit load of money and creates a living for a lot of people. That in a team sport the same holds true doesn't surprise me given that the differences are going to be magnified even more so than they would in an individual sport.
GazFish35
28-05-2016, 09:59 PM
Reserves v firsts with firsts working on defensive shape and playing out under a high press.
Reggies always win.
Move on.
Bremsstrahlung
29-05-2016, 02:50 PM
It is a collection of 15 year olds from the 6th largest city in the country
So we are the 6th largest city when it suits you to make a point that we aren't very good, and there are 5 better cities.
NNSW is the second largest Federation in Australia.
But we are 2nd largest Fed when you want to say we should be doing better?
The Dunster
29-05-2016, 03:51 PM
1 Sydney (NSW) 4,627,345
2 Melbourne (VIC) 4,137,432
3 Brisbane (QLD) 2,074,222
4 Perth (WA) 1,738,807
5 Adelaide (SA) 1,212,982
6 Gold Coast – Tweed (QLD/NSW) 600,475
7 Newcastle (NSW) 552,776
it's official - we are doomed. http://blog.id.com.au/2012/population/australian-census-2011/top-33-largest-cities-in-australia-by-population/
So we are the 6th largest city when it suits you to make a point that we aren't very good, and there are 5 better cities.
But we are 2nd largest Fed when you want to say we should be doing better?
Both are facts
Try disputing that the EJ program fully represents the best in NNSW then.
It doesn't even reflect the best in Newy
GazFish35
29-05-2016, 07:50 PM
We sem to be forgetting that the Matilda's squad is essentially 17yr old girls.
1 Sydney (NSW) 4,627,345
2 Melbourne (VIC) 4,137,432
3 Brisbane (QLD) 2,074,222
4 Perth (WA) 1,738,807
5 Adelaide (SA) 1,212,982
6 Gold Coast – Tweed (QLD/NSW) 600,475
7 Newcastle (NSW) 552,776
it's official - we are doomed. http://blog.id.com.au/2012/population/australian-census-2011/top-33-largest-cities-in-australia-by-population/
Newcastle only wants Lake Macquarie when you're counting population. Then dickheads like the Member want to hand LM to the Coasties during the derbies :wanker:
We sem to be forgetting that the Matilda's squad is essentially 17yr old girls.
lol
Reserves v firsts with firsts working on defensive shape and playing out under a high press.
Reggies always win.
Move on.
lol
This isn't the best XI of 15 year olds in the country
It is a collection of 15 year olds from the 6th largest city in the country
It is not even the best XI the 6th largest metropolis can come up with when you consider the EJ are missing kids whose parents can't afford the costs are missing kids who would rather play out of the EJ program and it also includes kids who are their on reasons other than merit.
It is also a program that has many failings and is struggling
In spite of all this they whooped the arse of the best female players in the country
That to me says a hell of a lot about the inferiority of the woman's game in this country
:rof: spot on
Frodo
30-05-2016, 11:16 AM
I'm pretty much getting the impression that this thread is full of men trying to feel better about their own inadequacies by telling everyone how shit women are at football, and therefore everything.
No one, even the women who play the game, thinks that the Matildas are at the same level in terms of football ability than the corresponding men's team. They aren't going to be as good as the men's team in a hurry either so if that's not your thing than fine, don't go watch them. I think there could be a large proportion of their crowds that are young girls who may not watch football in the same way that you do. That's the market they are trying to appease. Not angry yobs like all of you and me!
As far as money is concerned, their pay should be based on how much income they can generate, same as the men's team. If they can make the FFA half as much income as the men's team than they deserve half as much pay, if they make 1/10th than they deserve 1/10th, Simple.
And as for their quality of play, if they are worse than every U15s side in Aus but go and win the women's world cup than they have done their job.
GazFish35
30-05-2016, 01:43 PM
This isn't the best XI of 15 year olds in the country
It is a collection of 15 year olds from the 6th largest city in the country
It is not even the best XI the 6th largest metropolis can come up with when you consider the EJ are missing kids whose parents can't afford the costs are missing kids who would rather play out of the EJ program and it also includes kids who are their on reasons other than merit.
It is also a program that has many failings and is struggling
In spite of all this they whooped the arse of the best female players in the country
That to me says a hell of a lot about the inferiority of the woman's game in this country
or how good the EJ program is.
I'm pretty much getting the impression that this thread is full of men trying to feel better about their own inadequacies by telling everyone how shit women are at football, and therefore everything.
No one, even the women who play the game, thinks that the Matildas are at the same level in terms of football ability than the corresponding men's team. They aren't going to be as good as the men's team in a hurry either so if that's not your thing than fine, don't go watch them. I think there could be a large proportion of their crowds that are young girls who may not watch football in the same way that you do. That's the market they are trying to appease. Not angry yobs like all of you and me!
As far as money is concerned, their pay should be based on how much income they can generate, same as the men's team. If they can make the FFA half as much income as the men's team than they deserve half as much pay, if they make 1/10th than they deserve 1/10th, Simple.
And as for their quality of play, if they are worse than every U15s side in Aus but go and win the women's world cup than they have done their job.
lol
I just think its funny that one of the best women's teams in the world got spanked by a bunch of 15 and 16 year old boys who aren't even close to the best in their age group in this country.
TBH I thought the Matildas would at least be competitive in such a game. Apparently not.
Couscous
30-05-2016, 02:26 PM
I just think its funny that one of the best women's teams in the world got spanked by a bunch of 15 and 16 year old boys who aren't even close to the best in their age group in this country.
By most accounts, it was a group of 15, 16 and 17-year-old girls playing 15 and 16-year-old boys. Why is it surprising to anyone that the boys won?
The Dunster
30-05-2016, 02:32 PM
lol
I just think its funny that one of the best women's teams in the world got spanked by a bunch of 15 and 16 year old boys who aren't even close to the best in their age group in this country.
TBH I thought the Matildas would at least be competitive in such a game. Apparently not.
You seem to have football confused with washing and ironing.:gent:
By most accounts, it was a group of 15, 16 and 17-year-old girls playing 15 and 16-year-old boys. Why is it surprising to anyone that the boys won?
lolwut?
DeVanna Heyman et al?
By most accounts, it was a group of 15, 16 and 17-year-old girls playing 15 and 16-year-old boys. Why is it surprising to anyone that the boys won?
GvE was surprised. Wouldn't he have known best?
Frodo
30-05-2016, 05:27 PM
GvE was surprised. Wouldn't he have known best?
The small iota of credibility you may have had has now been lost by linking in that mastermind, haha. He was probably surprised he still has a paying job involving football.
Frodo
30-05-2016, 05:30 PM
Matildas Beaten 7-0 By Newcastle Jets Under-15 Boys Team
They're still on track for Rio.
26/05/2016 11:02 AM AEST | Updated May 27, 2016 10:49
Anthony Sharwood
The Matildas are strongly fancied to give Australia's its best ever shot at a medal in the sport of football at the Rio Olympics in August. Perhaps they should be grateful there will be no under-16s boys' teams in their pool.
In a friendly match against the Newcastle Jets under-16 boys team on Wednesday, the Matildas were humbled 7-0. That's right, the team ranked fifth in FIFA's women's rankings were roughed up by a bunch of lads barely old enough to shave.
Here's a fairly common reaction.
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Vince Rugari ✔ @VinceRugari
it is probably not good that the Matildas were beaten 7-0 last night by Newcastle Jets' under-15s
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No, it's not good at all. But there were, at least, some excuses.
Gary van Egmond is assistant Matildas coach and academy director of the Newcastle Jets. "To be honest we didn't expect that," he told The Huffington Post Australia.
"But the Jets boys were very good. All credit to them. They moved the ball around very well and were excellent on the night."
Van Egmond explained that the Matildas are often forced to play boys' teams because there is not enough quality female opposition in our part of the world. This match was a warm-up for two friendlies against New Zealand's national women's team, the Football Ferns.
Gary Van Egmond reckons it's time we cut the Matildas some slack.
The last time the Matildas played a team of 15- and 16-year-old boys, they drew 2-2. On Wednesday night, van Egmond said the team was short of match practice.
"I think there were a couple of contributing factors to the loss. At this stage in their preparation, obviously the Matildas are not in a position to play regular games so I'd suggest all and sundry were a little bit rusty.
"We could have had an easier game, but we definitely want to keep testing the girls."
Van Egmond also had strong words for those who would question the strength of women's football on the basis of this result.
"It all relative," he said. "It's no different from [the sort of result you'd expect] from a female tennis player or a female swimmer against a 15- or 16-year-old boy who's maturing and starting to develop physically."
"They have to be looked upon as two separate entities."
The Matildas were missing several established internationals on Wednesday night, including star striker Kyah Simon. They also rotated players more than usual, which contributed to a lack of cohesion.
The Matildas play New Zealand in Ballarat on June 4 and in Melbourne on June 7. The second match is part of a double-header before the Socceroos take on Greece in a friendly.
There is some more context on GVE's input.
Frodo
30-05-2016, 05:37 PM
EXCLUSIVE: Alen Stajcic hits back at critics of the Matildas loss to boys
Batten down the hatches ladies and gentleman, a storm is coming! If they can’t even beat a u15s boys team then what chance in hell do we have in Rio come August?
By Lucy Zelic
Source: Zela 26 MAY 2016 - 5:00 PM UPDATED 26 MAY 2016 - 5:02 PM
Last night, the Matildas, ranked 5th in the world took on an u15s Newcastle Jets boys team at Valentine Park in an open training match and suffered a 7-0 loss.
Judging by the conjecture doing the rounds from either the journalists who didn’t even attend the match or self-proclaimed social media experts, we’ve got a bunch of amateur Annies on our hands, who would be better off playing park football against retired geriatrics.
Spare me the self-righteous argument of ‘just goes to show you that women will never be better than men at any age’ because that doesn’t have a place in this discussion and it never will.
What also shouldn’t be given much thought is the scoreline or the fact that their opposition were young men because neither were given any consideration by the Matildas coaching staff as they went into the match last night.
Far from it.
Speaking to head coach Alen Stajcic in the wake of the match, he was bemused that this was even a story because from a football perspective, none of what happened last night was ‘mental’ or ‘not good.’
"In all these experiences you get to learn about the team and you get to learn about things that you can work on and improve and that was certainly the case last night. There were many, many good elements to last night’s game, which certainly showed players who can step up to that level.
"For me the most phenomenal part was Ellie Carpenter who’s a 16 year old girl and played in midfield in the second half against boys her own age, 16 year old boys who are at the peak of their game playing for the Jets and she could compete which was phenomenal.
"To see someone like Caitlin Foord cause all sorts of trouble against boys who are much taller than her, much quicker than her, more powerful but still she caused them problems. It just highlights good things and also exposes areas where you can improve as well."
As for the criticism they have copped for playing against a boys side?
"We’ve played probably 40 matches against boys over the last 18 months and the objectives are always the same, to test out our players to find out their strengths and weaknesses to see where our team structure is good and where it’s not good.
"At the end of the day, four of the seven goals scored last night were scored off of crosses. If someone is half a foot or a foot taller than you, that’s an anatomical and a biomechanical thing and you can’t do anything about that.
"I go away from the game not worrying about that aspect. As long as the positioning was good. If the positioning was poor, that’s something you can control but being out jumped by someone who’s one foot taller than you and more powerful, that’s not really going to happen in a women’s game."
Aside from testing out structures and getting visibility of players in a competitive environment, Stajcic was clear about the way they wanted the game to be played and liaised with the opposition coaches beforehand.
"We do that all the time. We just ask them to replicate the opposition that we’re going to play against and that’s what we usually do. They played in the same formation that New Zealand will play against us, that we anticipate, so that really helps us prepare and develop for that match."
It’s almost boring to read isn’t it?
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Anna Harrington @AnnaHarrington
Tell you what though, people's reactions to that Matildas scratch match are great for ascertaining how much they know about football.
11:42 AM - 26 May 2016
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That there was nothing sinister or shocking about last night’s 7-0 loss doesn’t make for a great headline or talking point to blow out of proportion on social media.
'Matildas routinely prepare for match against New Zealand in an open training session’, doesn’t quite have the same ring to it as ‘Matildas thrashed 7-0 by Newcastle Jets under 15s boys’ does it?
Perhaps more concerning was that none of the attention was directed to the incredible turnout on the night which saw the attending Matildas players mobbed by young girls all eager to meet them.
Prior to the match kicking off, the players were invited to take part in clinics arranged by Football NSW which saw the squad engage with their biggest fans and the future of Australian football as they played mini-games.
I suppose 'Matildas mobbed by young and old at meet and greet’ doesn’t make for a great headline either, does it?
Well you know what, it bloody-well should.
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For those curious, last night was a very obvious training run. So much so that LDV was playing in a jumper.
3:19 PM - 26 May 2016
There's some more info
GazFish35
30-05-2016, 05:45 PM
**** I hope mckinna gets announced as CEO soon so folk can go back to shooting from the hip about something else.
Frodo
30-05-2016, 05:46 PM
if that was TL:DR
It was a training run, they were rotating players through different positions.
The U15/16s jets were given instructions by the Matilda's coached in regards to tactics and how they would play, in order to replicate the NZ teams formation and tactics for the next game the Matilda's play.
There were many senior players missing.
It was also a meet and greet with fans as well as a training exercise
Many of the girls were the same age as the boys
Mark Bosnich is still a massive fecking twat who really needs someone to double check the idiotic things that come out of his coke-addled mind.
But for all the sexist crap and what-not... We may get towelled up by NZ if we don't get it together quickly.
**** I hope mckinna gets announced as CEO soon so folk can go back to shooting from the hip about something else.
says the lefty outraged slinger
plague
31-05-2016, 07:46 AM
**** I hope mckinna gets announced as CEO soon so folk can go back to shooting from the hip about something else.
Mr Fish longing for the days of the rational debate and measured opinions on the Bk v Biraz thread.
So GVE was surprised?
The Matildas assistant coach and former mens youth coach?
But no-one else should be surprised that the Jets U/15s flogged the shit out of a Matildas team featuring DeVanna Heyman and other stars?
Blind lefty faux rage :facepalm:
stopper2
31-05-2016, 04:52 PM
^^^^
Had a few days "hiatus" from the Foz, come back and I see some are still talking about that Matildas game.....FMD move on!!!
q-money
31-05-2016, 04:53 PM
hey you hear the emerging jets spanked the matildas 7-0?
plague
31-05-2016, 05:20 PM
hey you hear the emerging jets spanked the matildas 7-0?
No, but this def warrants a discussion.
I'll go first.
Chicks are shit.
So these kids got rolled yesterday by Magic to the tune of 10-2
Now no disrespect to Magic who have some fine players and can rack up a score
particularly the bloke who bagged 4 of them
But what exactly is being taught to these kids??
Obviously nothing about fighting scrapping and playing as a team with pride and passion
Today's Herald there is some comment that they tired. Well **** me they ain't played in two weeks FFS
Another failure for Northern and GVE and his failing program
Dis grace
lquiquer
17-07-2016, 10:40 AM
So these kids got rolled yesterday by Magic to the tune of 10-2
Now no disrespect to Magic who have some fine players and can rack up a score
particularly the bloke who bagged 4 of them
But what exactly is being taught to these kids??
Obviously nothing about fighting scrapping and playing as a team with pride and passion
Today's Herald there is some comment that they tired. Well **** me they ain't played in two weeks FFS
Another failure for Northern and GVE and his failing program
Dis grace
Did they have some regular players out?
Apparently they had 3 out and one kid who has been out for most of the season anyway.
It isn't even close to an excuse as the blokes stepping in are more than capable of playing at this level
lquiquer
17-07-2016, 11:24 AM
Apparently they had 3 out and one kid who has been out for most of the season anyway.
It isn't even close to an excuse as the blokes stepping in are more than capable of playing at this level
So only 2 out really.........Disgrace #ZaneOUT
Imyourhero
17-07-2016, 11:37 AM
It isn't even close to an excuse as the blokes stepping in are more than capable of playing at this level
Well........are they though?
stopper2
17-07-2016, 12:06 PM
i think we need to call the program a different name because I just can't see any players "Emerging" from it ha ha.....maybe the "Dead-end Jets" program!
Onehunglow
17-07-2016, 12:41 PM
i think we need to call the program a different name because I just can't see any players "Emerging" from it ha ha.....maybe the "Dead-end Jets" program!
Or are they just constantly Emerging until they're 23?!
So these kids got rolled yesterday by Magic to the tune of 10-2
Now no disrespect to Magic who have some fine players and can rack up a score
particularly the bloke who bagged 4 of them
But what exactly is being taught to these kids??
Obviously nothing about fighting scrapping and playing as a team with pride and passion
Today's Herald there is some comment that they tired. Well **** me they ain't played in two weeks FFS
Another failure for Northern and GVE and his failing program
Dis grace
Bang on.
GO AWAY
07-10-2016, 11:34 AM
Ive been hearing kids that are locals and come all the way through the jets youth system are now starting to filter in to the NPL, couple to azzurri, couple to Adamstown, one to edgeworth, begs the question, looks like they have all hit the brick wall at 18 and were never going to be a-league footballers, with only brymora making it to the seniors, and he will be given very limited game time this year id imagine.
The Dunster
07-10-2016, 11:49 AM
Ive been hearing kids that are locals and come all the way through the jets youth system are now starting to filter in to the NPL, couple to azzurri, couple to Adamstown, one to edgeworth, begs the question, looks like they have all hit the brick wall at 18 and were never going to be a-league footballers, with only brymora making it to the seniors, and he will be given very limited game time this year id imagine.
If a kids parents having to pay for their development in these so called elite squads isn't a signal, that the kids are not good enough to ever make it - then I don't know what is.
Then there is the pure numbers game where we probably should only expect one player from the youth teams every five years at the most, to make the step up into the A-league side.
Ive been hearing kids that are locals and come all the way through the jets youth system are now starting to filter in to the NPL, couple to azzurri, couple to Adamstown, one to edgeworth, begs the question, looks like they have all hit the brick wall at 18 and were never going to be a-league footballers, with only brymora making it to the seniors, and he will be given very limited game time this year id imagine.
Normal situation.
Look at the youth NTs in the past and see how many made it as pros.
The Camel
07-10-2016, 12:35 PM
Ive been hearing kids that are locals and come all the way through the jets youth system are now starting to filter in to the NPL, couple to azzurri, couple to Adamstown, one to edgeworth, begs the question, looks like they have all hit the brick wall at 18 and were never going to be a-league footballers, with only brymora making it to the seniors, and he will be given very limited game time this year id imagine.
Happens at every academy in every country. Only a handful of kids come all the way through. If you get 1 a year from each age group make it as an a league player you a doing really well
furns
07-10-2016, 12:36 PM
Anyone bitching about our program, have a listen to the Soccer Stoppage Time podcast from this week. About 35 minutes in, the entire show gets sidetracked by discussion on the SFC u13's tour of Japan and the fact a bunch of parents received emails after their kids had left that they were cut from the program for the following season. After being told to move their kids to a specific school to help them in the program and paying thousands for the privilege.
Certainly interesting listening.
Anyone bitching about our program, have a listen to the Soccer Stoppage Time podcast from this week. About 35 minutes in, the entire show gets sidetracked by discussion on the SFC u13's tour of Japan and the fact a bunch of parents received emails after their kids had left that they were cut from the program for the following season. After being told to move their kids to a specific school to help them in the program and paying thousands for the privilege.
Certainly interesting listening.
Football is a bidness.
furns
07-10-2016, 01:23 PM
Football is a bidness.
The point being made (fairly imo) is that ppl shouldn't be charged to participate in the elite programs because parents are being fleeced to participate which is pricing out better kids whose parents can't afford it.
The money is supposed to flow down the pyramid however in a lot of cases money is flowing up instead.
Guerny
07-10-2016, 03:55 PM
The point being made (fairly imo) is that ppl shouldn't be charged to participate in the elite programs...
Rubbish... who pays for this elite program if the participants cant be charged then...
Rubbish... who pays for this elite program if the participants cant be charged then...
You have quoted half a sentence to make your point.
At a stab i am thinking furns was making the point these so called elite program's are way overpriced and sold to starry eyed parents who get the sold the dream there kid could be the next Timi , for a price that is.
Ever since 2006 the administrators of the game in this country have been letting people use terms like pathway, elite and academies very loosely in order to charge outrageous fees for which they get there cut.
Cracks me up every time i see all the little ones over at Speers Pt in the EJ program and i think just how many teams are we going to be fielding in the national comp in years to come just to accommodate all these " emerging jets ". Or do we just have so many of them because it is a good money spinner. And there is no shortage of " my kids the best " type parents to buy the dream.
Yes its a overprices sham but hey we need to fund the game from the grassroots up right ?. Not like other well administered sports in the country where it is from the top down.
All IMO of course.
The Dunster
07-10-2016, 05:11 PM
Anyone bitching about our program, have a listen to the Soccer Stoppage Time podcast from this week. About 35 minutes in, the entire show gets sidetracked by discussion on the SFC u13's tour of Japan and the fact a bunch of parents received emails after their kids had left that they were cut from the program for the following season. After being told to move their kids to a specific school to help them in the program and paying thousands for the privilege.
Certainly interesting listening.
THis shit's been happening for 40 years in practically any sport that offers a big paycheck at the end of the day. Tennis is even worse.
furns
07-10-2016, 05:33 PM
You have quoted half a sentence to make your point.
At a stab i am thinking furns was making the point these so called elite program's are way overpriced and sold to starry eyed parents who get the sold the dream there kid could be the next Timi , for a price that is.
Ever since 2006 the administrators of the game in this country have been letting people use terms like pathway, elite and academies very loosely in order to charge outrageous fees for which they get there cut.
Cracks me up every time i see all the little ones over at Speers Pt in the EJ program and i think just how many teams are we going to be fielding in the national comp in years to come just to accommodate all these " emerging jets ". Or do we just have so many of them because it is a good money spinner. And there is no shortage of " my kids the best " type parents to buy the dream.
Yes its a overprices sham but hey we need to fund the game from the grassroots up right ?. Not like other well administered sports in the country where it is from the top down.
All IMO of course.made most of my points for me, cheers. Money should flow from the top down into the juniors, unfortunately in many cases the junior fees are also going towards funding silly wages in the senior teams in the divisions below the aleague.
But the point still stands about elite programs charging parents ridiculous sums for kids that are never going to make it, while someone who may make the grade are overlooked because their parents don't feel like being fleeced out of thousands of dollars or simply can't afford it.
Instead of identifying talent, the programs are only identifying ways to separate money from unsuspecting parents thinking their kid should be the next Timmy.
plague
07-10-2016, 06:01 PM
quick question: how many of these 'elite' camps have official ties to the Jets?
for example, a friend of my kid is in the Jobe Wheelhouse run program. Is that an "official" Jets one?
Hunter403
07-10-2016, 06:22 PM
Jobe's program is not Jets related
Guerny
10-10-2016, 11:36 AM
Rightly or wrongly these programs need funding to exist, maybe the kids in these programs are not ALL appropriately skilled to be in the program but its a catch 22, that funding still needs to be raised so a program exists for the kids that do warrant being involved.
If you went out and said there's only a min number of kids sufficiently skilled to be in one of these programs, there be insufficient funding and then no programs at all.
The bit that pisses me off is that the Jets will happily put their name to this but then provide nothing to maintain it, no funding, no assistance...
I'd like to see the club sponsor some of these "better kids whose parents can't afford it", if not as a community initiative then as an investment pathway.
my 2c,
G
Imyourhero
10-10-2016, 12:56 PM
As somebody mentioned earlier, not every player will play A league and a successful program will produce players worthy of senior caps every few years which right now we aren't doing. The thing that worries me is that the players with the greatest potential are overlooked for the program & the ones that do enter the system are massively mismanaged e.g. played out of position.
made most of my points for me, cheers. Money should flow from the top down into the juniors, unfortunately in many cases the junior fees are also going towards funding silly wages in the senior teams in the divisions below the aleague.
But the point still stands about elite programs charging parents ridiculous sums for kids that are never going to make it, while someone who may make the grade are overlooked because their parents don't feel like being fleeced out of thousands of dollars or simply can't afford it.
Instead of identifying talent, the programs are only identifying ways to separate money from unsuspecting parents thinking their kid should be the next Timmy.
Soccer has always been bottom up.
Boris
30-01-2017, 11:32 AM
Now I am gonna start the thread and allow a few others to kick it off with their thoughts on the program before I give it my personal caning.
Today I went and watched all 3 Grades in Rd 1 of the NPL and **** me was I not impressed by what I am seeing from Newy's supposedly elite program
Matter of fact it left me raging watching the circus of shite that was dished up by the kids
It has been going now for what 5 years and I see that many issues that neither the Jets or NNSW choose to rectify
Thoughts People
????
Just gotta look at the clowns running NNSW Football....there lies the answer to majority of your concerns! THEY KNOW EVERYTHING...just ask them :deadhorse:
My sister got quite the shock the other day
Her first born has got to school age and a few of his mates had signed up to play this winter in the local Us s
My nephew has asked mum dad if he can play with his mates as well
Now I have tried with this kid but he has had very little interest in football but now he looks like he has found the thing that would start his involvement in the game
My sister was taken back by the $350 rego fees due to play for a club that doesn't even have seniors in NPL or NEWFM
I would have to do some research to find what level their seniors are at that how far down the pecking order they are
Just armourer example of why the FFA and Governments are ****ing the game and country up
$350 a year for a 6 year old to have a kick about in winter
****ing joke really
Jetmaster
30-01-2017, 02:51 PM
My sister got quite the shock the other day
Her first born has got to school age and a few of his mates had signed up to play this winter in the local Us s
My nephew has asked mum dad if he can play with his mates as well
Now I have tried with this kid but he has had very little interest in football but now he looks like he has found the thing that would start his involvement in the game
My sister was taken back by the $350 rego fees due to play for a club that doesn't even have seniors in NPL or NEWFM
I would have to do some research to find what level their seniors are at that how far down the pecking order they are
Just armourer example of why the FFA and Governments are ****ing the game and country up
$350 a year for a 6 year old to have a kick about in winter
****ing joke really
A good idea from Simon Hill on a podcast last week - why don't the kids get a free season ticket to their local A-League club considering the amount of cash they are paying? GA only and they might bring mum and dad along.
Showing my age but KB United did similar back in the day. Junior players were given season passes.
Hunter403
30-01-2017, 03:59 PM
What club is that?
The under 14's I coach pay $250 and get strip, training strip, hoodies, polo shirts, kit bags etc and they are community league. Whichever club that is ripping off the kids and their families.
borat
30-01-2017, 04:02 PM
My sister got quite the shock the other day
Her first born has got to school age and a few of his mates had signed up to play this winter in the local Us s
My nephew has asked mum dad if he can play with his mates as well
Now I have tried with this kid but he has had very little interest in football but now he looks like he has found the thing that would start his involvement in the game
My sister was taken back by the $350 rego fees due to play for a club that doesn't even have seniors in NPL or NEWFM
I would have to do some research to find what level their seniors are at that how far down the pecking order they are
Just armourer example of why the FFA and Governments are ****ing the game and country up
$350 a year for a 6 year old to have a kick about in winter
****ing joke really
It's seriously $350 for u/6?
Because it's less then half that in the ACT
redwah
30-01-2017, 04:53 PM
What club is that?
The under 14's I coach pay $250 and get strip, training strip, hoodies, polo shirts, kit bags etc and they are community league. Whichever club that is ripping off the kids and their families.
Jesus that's a good deal....which club?
redwah
30-01-2017, 04:57 PM
My sister got quite the shock the other day
Her first born has got to school age and a few of his mates had signed up to play this winter in the local Us s
My nephew has asked mum dad if he can play with his mates as well
Now I have tried with this kid but he has had very little interest in football but now he looks like he has found the thing that would start his involvement in the game
My sister was taken back by the $350 rego fees due to play for a club that doesn't even have seniors in NPL or NEWFM
I would have to do some research to find what level their seniors are at that how far down the pecking order they are
Just armourer example of why the FFA and Governments are ****ing the game and country up
$350 a year for a 6 year old to have a kick about in winter
****ing joke really
As much as I disagree with most of what you dribble you have my support on this one....$350 is a ****ing disgrace for any age unless everything is paid for by the club....gear, fees, equipment...should only need to buy boots and shin pads after that. What makes it more of a joke is the washouts during the season.....let people play it's a winner sport, rain and mud should be expected.
Actually $350 is a joke full stop.
Hunter403
30-01-2017, 05:47 PM
Jesus that's a good deal....which club?
Sth Cardiff
Bremsstrahlung
30-01-2017, 06:26 PM
Was a few years ago now, but i paid $250 to play NBN State League.
All the kit and training stuff and dress stuff included.
$350 is a joke.
ForeverRed
30-01-2017, 06:29 PM
Sth Cardiff
It's $160 at south Cardiff for u6s, tell your sister to lay of the gear, 😂
WolfMan
30-01-2017, 09:25 PM
It's $160 at south Cardiff for u6s, tell your sister to lay of the gear, 😂
I think that reply was to the U/14's $250 quote. Unsure of the $350 club
ForeverRed
30-01-2017, 09:50 PM
Yeah your right, sweet
sammydog
30-01-2017, 10:19 PM
My sister got quite the shock the other day
Her first born has got to school age and a few of his mates had signed up to play this winter in the local Us s
My nephew has asked mum dad if he can play with his mates as well
Now I have tried with this kid but he has had very little interest in football but now he looks like he has found the thing that would start his involvement in the game
My sister was taken back by the $350 rego fees due to play for a club that doesn't even have seniors in NPL or NEWFM
I would have to do some research to find what level their seniors are at that how far down the pecking order they are
Just armourer example of why the FFA and Governments are ****ing the game and country up
$350 a year for a 6 year old to have a kick about in winter
****ing joke really
$350 for a six year old?
Our club is charging $155, no one pays over $225 until you hit All Age.
plague
31-01-2017, 08:46 AM
$350 for a six year old?
Our club is charging $155, no one pays over $225 until you hit All Age.
Local councils are implementing new lighting fees for any clubs doing upgrades. You are getting charged a flat fee per light globe per hour.
Over last 2 years Jaffas and New Lambton have both been whacked with 5 figure increases in their lighting costs. Obviously being bigger clubs with more teams therefore more training nights etc they are the extreme examples.
It's flowing down into regos. From memory New Lambton went from $160 to $220 or so for juniors. .
Wilso8948
31-01-2017, 09:17 AM
Local councils are implementing new lighting fees for any clubs doing upgrades. You are getting charged a flat fee per light globe per hour.
Over last 2 years Jaffas and New Lambton have both been whacked with 5 figure increases in their lighting costs. Obviously being bigger clubs with more teams therefore more training nights etc they are the extreme examples.
It's flowing down into regos. From memory New Lambton went from $160 to $220 or so for juniors. .
Maybe martin Lee can step in with some energy discounts? Baird probs sold the poles and wires to his bro in law anyways
redwah
31-01-2017, 06:03 PM
I play at belswans and the 5-7yo is $115. Pretty sure they keep it low because it's not a big drawing area
I play at belswans and the 5-7yo is $115. Pretty sure they keep it low because it's not a big drawing area
6's & 7's should be $under $100. This is where we get people into the game, they dont use lights and hardly touch the pitch at 20mins each way
6's & 7's should be $under $100. This is where we get people into the game, they dont use lights and hardly touch the pitch at 20mins each way
Should be $20 a year
****ing take it off the HAL players to subsidise it
redwah
31-01-2017, 09:06 PM
6's & 7's should be $under $100. This is where we get people into the game, they dont use lights and hardly touch the pitch at 20mins each way
I'm hearing you. I'm pretty sure the league,union and afl kids are considerably less than football clubs charge.....the problem is the money filters up from grassroots to the Socceroos when it should filter down. Tv rights and the like should subsidies the grassroots to continue to flood the market with kids.
sammydog
31-01-2017, 10:04 PM
Local councils are implementing new lighting fees for any clubs doing upgrades. You are getting charged a flat fee per light globe per hour.
Over last 2 years Jaffas and New Lambton have both been whacked with 5 figure increases in their lighting costs. Obviously being bigger clubs with more teams therefore more training nights etc they are the extreme examples.
It's flowing down into regos. From memory New Lambton went from $160 to $220 or so for juniors. .
No, we pay the electricity bill.
I'm hearing you. I'm pretty sure the league,union and afl kids are considerably less than football clubs charge.....the problem is the money filters up from grassroots to the Socceroos when it should filter down. Tv rights and the like should subsidies the grassroots to continue to flood the market with kids.
This x 1000
We have so many " so called " elite teams , academies and youth development squads it has become a joke. Don't expect those running the game either at a national or local level to address the issue because as long as this sell the dream approach remains too much money is being raked in by those very organisations.
plague
31-01-2017, 10:51 PM
No, we pay the electricity bill.
im talking about clubs with recent upgrades to their lighting.
both in NCC boundary.
Boris
01-02-2017, 11:08 AM
This x 1000
We have so many " so called " elite teams , academies and youth development squads it has become a joke. Don't expect those running the game either at a national or local level to address the issue because as long as this sell the dream approach remains too much money is being raked in by those very organisations.
Gotta pay for the new Speers Point facility don't we? Plus alllllllllllllll the staff that 'sit' in there on a daily basis.....like I said 'clowns running the circus', but they know everything...just ask them! :deadhorse:
Just look at the ridiculous prices they are charging.
http://nnsw.footballfives.com.au/party/
NNSW have never been about development. All about $$$$ and old timers who never ever made it now throwing their weight around thinking they're bigger than Ben Hur...the joke that was and always will be...NNSW Football
Hunter403
01-02-2017, 01:04 PM
Gotta pay for the new Speers Point facility don't we? Plus alllllllllllllll the staff that 'sit' in there on a daily basis.....like I said 'clowns running the circus', but they know everything...just ask them! :deadhorse:
Just look at the ridiculous prices they are charging.
http://nnsw.footballfives.com.au/party/
NNSW have never been about development. All about $$$$ and old timers who never ever made it now throwing their weight around thinking they're bigger than Ben Hur...the joke that was and always will be...NNSW Football
Hard to argue with anything you have said, however if you look at the break up of where the money from registration goes (most clubs will supply this) the proportion to NNSW isn't the largest part. From memory as I don;t have the paperwork in front of me, the NPL registration for my boy has a $75 fee to NNSW. The majority goes to the club to pay all those first graders!
Don't misunderstand me, I agree wholeheartedly the NNSW is a comedy routine that is no longer funny. The whole place needs an enema.
If we want to get kids fees down, stop paying part time footballers or past it ex full time players. Let 'em play for the love of the game or as many would say "to give something back".
Wilso8948
01-02-2017, 02:35 PM
Whilst we are on the topic of rego fees why is it compulsory to carry insurance? If you have private health cover then why do you require this on top? Most of the sporting insurance is ridiculous and covers jack shit anyway. I had to jump through hoops upon hoops to get anything claimed for my injury all for them to tell me they cant repay any costs that are already covered by medicare or private health. Which was all of it..
Macca
01-02-2017, 02:56 PM
My brother went through a similar process to try and claim anything through it. Most also won't cover any lost work until after you have already used all available leave. And if you get to that stage then it doesn't even cover your wage, its something like a couple hundred a week. Pretty much a rort.
All those expenses that the insurance does cover is also only paid out on a refund basis in other words don't hand them a bunch of unpaid medical invoices you need to pay them up yourself and claim back. From memory going back a few years now it was 80% and up to 5k. Yes you must seek to use up any or all of your private insurance first and they will not pay out on a particular item where a medicare item number exists. I think every paying parent or adult participant SHOULD be provided with a HARD COPY of this insurance policy given its questionable exclusions at the time of purchase ie registration. All players and parents need to be aware just how badly out of pocket they could be should they be seriously injured playing the game and in particular a injury with ongoing expenses not just the immediate attention required such as reconstructions etc.
Also i vaguely recall something about the insurance was brokered through a mob in Victoria and QBE at the time was the ultimate insurer. I remember at the time thinking about all this insurance business and reckoning that participants should be given the option at registration time to take up insurance via the registration process or go away and shop around for there own similar policy from other insurers and perhaps by default create competition and drive that component of registration down.
I am more than happy to be proven wrong/corrected but to the best of my knowledge this whole insurance business was a national arrangement and i guess with such a captive market arrangement you got to wonder just what and if " legally " they refer to them as rebates are involved ???????.
My whole experience re this insurance business goes back the best part of 5 yrs now so i am more then happy to be corrected if a have made any errors.
redwah
01-02-2017, 05:01 PM
This x 1000
We have so many " so called " elite teams , academies and youth development squads it has become a joke. Don't expect those running the game either at a national or local level to address the issue because as long as this sell the dream approach remains too much money is being raked in by those very organisations.
How many of these elite programs produce any players of quality? My guess would be no more than a hand full...probably less. It shows in the results of the junior national teams....bloody rubbish.
The last few generations of players in this he national set up, before the current group, didn't have these elite programs....they played as teenagers in reserve grades with men from national league clubs or went to the uk and worked their asses off working their way through the leagues and clubs earning the right to play for bigger clubs. They didn't have a good season or two the piss off to Europe thinking they'd made by playing for fc shit kickers in the second tier of some second rate league.
Apollo Creed
01-02-2017, 05:16 PM
All those expenses that the insurance does cover is also only paid out on a refund basis in other words don't hand them a bunch of unpaid medical invoices you need to pay them up yourself and claim back. From memory going back a few years now it was 80% and up to 5k. Yes you must seek to use up any or all of your private insurance first and they will not pay out on a particular item where a medicare item number exists. I think every paying parent or adult participant SHOULD be provided with a HARD COPY of this insurance policy given its questionable exclusions at the time of purchase ie registration. All players and parents need to be aware just how badly out of pocket they could be should they be seriously injured playing the game and in particular a injury with ongoing expenses not just the immediate attention required such as reconstructions etc.
Also i vaguely recall something about the insurance was brokered through a mob in Victoria and QBE at the time was the ultimate insurer. I remember at the time thinking about all this insurance business and reckoning that participants should be given the option at registration time to take up insurance via the registration process or go away and shop around for there own similar policy from other insurers and perhaps by default create competition and drive that component of registration down.
I am more than happy to be proven wrong/corrected but to the best of my knowledge this whole insurance business was a national arrangement and i guess with such a captive market arrangement you got to wonder just what and if " legally " they refer to them as rebates are involved ???????.
My whole experience re this insurance business goes back the best part of 5 yrs now so i am more then happy to be corrected if a have made any errors.
spot on 380
dodgy insurance, with massive kick back incentives to the associations, on reduced claims through out the year.
tip would be-increase your on health cover, or better still, the associations deduct the cost, if you provide proof of health fund coverage. a option should be provided
How many of these elite programs produce any players of quality? My guess would be no more than a hand full...probably less. It shows in the results of the junior national teams....bloody rubbish.
The last few generations of players in this he national set up, before the current group, didn't have these elite programs....they played as teenagers in reserve grades with men from national league clubs or went to the uk and worked their asses off working their way through the leagues and clubs earning the right to play for bigger clubs. They didn't have a good season or two the piss off to Europe thinking they'd made by playing for fc shit kickers in the second tier of some second rate league.
The whole concept of elite has been watered down by those running the game in the pursuit of money.
Wilso8948
01-02-2017, 09:35 PM
spot on 380
dodgy insurance, with massive kick back incentives to the associations, on reduced claims through out the year.
tip would be-increase your on health cover, or better still, the associations deduct the cost, if you provide proof of health fund coverage. a option should be provided
This x1000. It's been my argument the past few years. Now that I've dealt with the current insurance mob they're a joke. I'd even rather still pay my $300 rego and it all go to the club then a massive slab go to a useless insurance company
GazFish35
02-02-2017, 07:22 AM
Any clubs looked into seeking grants for solar? Up here the plan is to collect and store (or sell back) for 12 months of the year, and only draw on the system for 5-6.
One bloke pushing it for reckons he's crunched the numbers and it'd save the local club considerable lighting costs.
Boris
02-02-2017, 09:29 AM
Hard to argue with anything you have said, however if you look at the break up of where the money from registration goes (most clubs will supply this) the proportion to NNSW isn't the largest part. From memory as I don;t have the paperwork in front of me, the NPL registration for my boy has a $75 fee to NNSW. The majority goes to the club to pay all those first graders!
Don't misunderstand me, I agree wholeheartedly the NNSW is a comedy routine that is no longer funny. The whole place needs an enema.
If we want to get kids fees down, stop paying part time footballers or past it ex full time players. Let 'em play for the love of the game or as many would say "to give something back".
Maybe have a look at NNSW 2015 Annual Report...a good insight into monies, wages etc.
http://northernnswfootball.com.au/about-us/annual-report/
Any clubs looked into seeking grants for solar? Up here the plan is to collect and store (or sell back) for 12 months of the year, and only draw on the system for 5-6.
One bloke pushing it for reckons he's crunched the numbers and it'd save the local club considerable lighting costs.
I know Magic have gone solar at Magic Park a few years ago
Maybe someone from their could enlighten us on the situation
Hutcho
03-02-2017, 10:35 AM
Any clubs looked into seeking grants for solar? Up here the plan is to collect and store (or sell back) for 12 months of the year, and only draw on the system for 5-6.
One bloke pushing it for reckons he's crunched the numbers and it'd save the local club considerable lighting costs.
I would tell him to check his numbers again. The buy back tariff was slashed last November, making it doubtful you would even cover the cost of the system over the 10 year panel life.
sammydog
04-02-2017, 08:26 PM
I would tell him to check his numbers again. The buy back tariff was slashed last November, making it doubtful you would even cover the cost of the system over the 10 year panel life.
Exactly. Solar only makes sense now if your using it as you make it (no good for lighting) or have a battery system which would need to be huge to run the lights at a ground.
Went and watched these kids play Rosebuds on Saturday
What I saw actually showed me that the ****ers running it have nfi
These kids are not taught to win
They were 2-1 up at HT and Buds levelled it up early second half
Jets get in front and Buds get another red card and are down to 11
What do the Jets do.
Keep it tight at the back and see it out making there extra man count and put Buds on the back foot
No.
They allow the most piss weak equaliser where Buds looked like the team with the extra man with about 7 mins to go.
Then on the stroke of 90mins they Jag another lead at 4-3 as Bymora outpaces the defence and finds the bottom corner
So now it 4-3 and they have got the second chance to see it out.
They couldn't even get through the few minutes of injury time and Buds once again levelled it up with another soft goal
Seriously PSG Gypos etc aside how do you capitulate like that against 10 men twice??
Are these kids actually taught to defend
Are these kids actually taught to fight
What though really pissed me off was the attitude of the kids and coaches at FT.
They should have been filthy at themselves
But no it all good they played the system and made their KPI s etc
No wonder we can't get decent locals to play for the first team when they are taught to be losers before they even get to HAL level
Disgraceful
evanhayes5
14-03-2017, 01:54 PM
Went and watched these kids play Rosebuds on Saturday
What I saw actually showed me that the ****ers running it have nfi
These kids are not taught to win
They were 2-1 up at HT and Buds levelled it up early second half
Jets get in front and Buds get another red card and are down to 11
What do the Jets do.
Keep it tight at the back and see it out making there extra man count and put Buds on the back foot
No.
They allow the most piss weak equaliser where Buds looked like the team with the extra man with about 7 mins to go.
Then on the stroke of 90mins they Jag another lead at 4-3 as Bymora outpaces the defence and finds the bottom corner
So now it 4-3 and they have got the second chance to see it out.
They couldn't even get through the few minutes of injury time and Buds once again levelled it up with another soft goal
Seriously PSG Gypos etc aside how do you capitulate like that against 10 men twice??
Are these kids actually taught to defend
Are these kids actually taught to fight
What though really pissed me off was the attitude of the kids and coaches at FT.
They should have been filthy at themselves
But no it all good they played the system and made their KPI s etc
No wonder we can't get decent locals to play for the first team when they are taught to be losers before they even get to HAL level
Disgraceful
They lost their starting defender in Caio De Godoy a day before the game, has left the team apparently. A lot of those guys didnt play NYL also, and they had a lot of injuries as well
Member right. I can recall my young bloke just a few years ago playing a team that was in his comp playing up a year and having to play to the so called mantra. These poor kids use to get smashed most weeks doubles figures to nil and no matter what the scoreline they had to continue playing it out from the back. Any hint of any kid not doing this they got hooked.
I asked the parent of a child in the team and he said they were a development team and that the purpose of the team was to have these kids brought up playing this style of football.
Watching these kids have to play like this and coming off with there heads down at the completion of a game was a bit hard to take at times. Talk about stifling natural ability for the sake of winning the back pass stat.
StannyCFCJET
14-03-2017, 06:16 PM
They lost their starting defender in Caio De Godoy a day before the game, has left the team apparently. A lot of those guys didnt play NYL also, and they had a lot of injuries as well
Caio De Godoy has left the youth team?
Maybe have a look at NNSW 2015 Annual Report...a good insight into monies, wages etc.
http://northernnswfootball.com.au/about-us/annual-report/
Wages and Salaries 2,053,216
Superannuation 234,164
Fringe benefits tax 30,882
some sizeable $ going round
evanhayes5
15-03-2017, 12:35 AM
Caio De Godoy has left the youth team?
Yeh from what i have been told
Something's rotten in the state of Northern NSW, and has been for years.
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/football-development-in-northern-nsw-is-rotten-and-has-been-for-years-20170406-gverql.html
Everyone knows now
MonkeyKplunk
10-04-2017, 07:33 AM
That article is reasonably spot on.
Except for the distance on where the money runs out. I'd put that somewhere around 50km from Newcastle.
NNSW couldn't give two ****s about clubs and players north of Maitland really.
Apparently the club having taken over the EJ have appointed some FFA mango sucker to the role
I suppose the continued failing under The Egg will now be a thing of the past
Grimario
19-07-2017, 12:29 PM
http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/news-newcastle-jets-appoints-michael-cooper-as-academy-td/q0l1vxnh2uuo1pqkn8nsyqncu
evanhayes5
19-07-2017, 02:59 PM
I just dont get how someone like Paul Gomez hasnt been given a position with the youth team, despite being there for ages
I just dont get how someone like Paul Gomez hasnt been given a position with the youth team, despite being there for ages
Maybe he not rated that highly
On another note is it any coincidence that as soon as Zane gets punted from the role the Yoof team start getting results??
How the bloke retains a gig with the first team after how many runs as assistant coach defies logic
Bloke has been Assistant to Stubbins GVE Miller Jones and now Merrick
How he avoid the cull??
Onehunglow
23-07-2017, 08:31 PM
I just dont get how someone like Paul Gomez hasnt been given a position with the youth team, despite being there for ages
What has he ever achieved ? How does being there for ages qualify you for a position? Maybe the fact he has been there for ages and hasn't been offered anything tells you all you need to know.
Jetmaster
24-07-2017, 08:04 AM
On another note is it any coincidence that as soon as Zane gets punted from the role the Yoof team start getting results??
How the bloke retains a gig with the first team after how many runs as assistant coach defies logic
Bloke has been Assistant to Stubbins GVE Miller Jones and now Merrick
How he avoid the cull??
Maybe be a very capable assistant but can't make the step up to leadership - Stubbins a case in itself.
evanhayes5
26-07-2017, 06:29 PM
What has he ever achieved ? How does being there for ages qualify you for a position? Maybe the fact he has been there for ages and hasn't been offered anything tells you all you need to know.
What has Labi done (coaching wise) to be given the mantle
Onehunglow
27-07-2017, 09:20 AM
What has Labi done (coaching wise) to be given the mantle
Nothing that I can see either.
Jeterpool
27-07-2017, 10:00 AM
Everyone starts somewhere.
What has Labi done (coaching wise) to be given the mantle
Seems to be doing a much better job than the previous incumbents already
From what I heard Zane barely attended the Yoof training much and Gomez was running the training
If that the case then both need the flick well away from the EJ as Zane not giving 100% and Gomez found wanting on results
evanhayes5
27-07-2017, 07:58 PM
Seems to be doing a much better job than the previous incumbents already
From what I heard Zane barely attended the Yoof training much and Gomez was running the training
If that the case then both need the flick well away from the EJ as Zane not giving 100% and Gomez found wanting on results
Yeh Clacka attended 1 youth session every couple of weeks, wasnt even at all of the games.
What I mean is maybe if Gomez had been given full control he could've got the best out of the boys. Imagine playing for a coach who only sometimes rocks up on gameday.
100% those boys would have more respect for Gomez then they do for Clacka, Lawrie and Labi.
Yeh Clacka attended 1 youth session every couple of weeks, wasnt even at all of the games.
What I mean is maybe if Gomez had been given full control he could've got the best out of the boys. Imagine playing for a coach who only sometimes rocks up on gameday.
100% those boys would have more respect for Gomez then they do for Clacka, Lawrie and Labi.
From what I heard Gomez is out there at the coal face trying to make it
I ain't knocking his efforts trying to make it in football but exactly what has he achieved so far in the game ??
That not a belittling statement but a question as I have no idea what they are
I though don't really see what your issue is with Labinot??
I don't give a **** if he don't have his certificates just yet
We both know they just regulatory bullshit from the FFA and a professional footballer can coach a side successfully without them
Went in early yesterday to watch the NPL Grand Final and caught the Jets v Olympic clash
Finished 4-0 to Olympic
Now I understand that GAVE is on his way to **** up southern NSW Football and Northern are getting their hands off ****ing it up and the Jets are taking over but Gypo McKinna has a lot of work to do to get the right people employed here as there was a hell of a lot wrong with that result ysterday and I not talking the 4 goal defecit
I didn't see one kid in the team with a bit of flair/skill talent outside the box that makes you think they going to make it to HEAL level
I seen 4 goals come from brain dead mistakes. Yes I undstand mistakes happen but the nature of these defies belief from an organisation trying to produce HAL players unless the aspiration is to produce clumsy defenders like Boogaard
What was though the most depressing thing was even at 4-0 down a ton of field position and dominance in general play the Jets continued to fail to create chances playing the same bullshit of passing side to side hoping to find space until they coughed it up
Not really good enough what has been going on at the EJ the last two to three years and high time they started getting their shit together
Grimario
03-09-2017, 03:32 PM
Sounds like they are setting up to bypass HAL and go straight to Socceroos with that assessment.
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