2016 FFA Cup Round of 32 | Jets v Victory | Wednesday 3/8/16 @730pm

[Jeterpool]

FFA Cup 2016 Round 32 Preview - Newcastle Jets v Melbourne Victory

FIXTURE FACTS

Overall – 33 matches between the two teams.
Jets Wins - 14, Victory Wins - 11, Drawn - 8


In Newcastle – 16 matches.
Jets Wins - 8, Victory Wins - 3, Drawn - 5
In Melbourne - 17 matches
Jets Wins - 6, Victory Wins - 8, Drawn - 3

Average Home A-League Crowd – 10515
Average Away A-League Crowd - 18115

Goals in Fixture
Jets – 45, Victory - 45
In Newcastle -
Jets – 27, Victory - 19

1st Goals in Fixture
Jets – 18, Victory - 13

Cards in Fixture
Jets - 63 (58 yellow, 5 red), Victory 60 (57 yellow, 3 red)

Last Result -
Jets 1 (Kitto 37') – Victory 1 (Berisha 57') at AAMI Park, A-League, Round 24, 20/3/2016.

Starting line-ups from Last Meeting in Season 15/16 Round 24

Newcastle JetsMelbourne Victory
Mark BirighittiLawrence Thomas
Jason HoffmanJason Geria
Daniel MullenThomas Deng
Nigel BoogaardMatthieu Delpierre
Nick CowburnScott Galloway
Mateo PoljakLeigh Broxham
Steven UgarkovicGuilherme Finkler
Leonardo Vitor SantiagoOliver Bozanic
Enver AlivodicJai Ingham
Morten NordstrandKosta Barbarouses
Ryan KittoBesart Berisha



FIXTURE RECORDS


Biggest Win

Jets 4 (Bridge 36’, Bridge 48’, Coveny 51’, J Griffiths 73’) – Victory 0 at Hunter Stadium, Round 21, Season 2006/07, 19/01/2007.

Heaviest Defeat

Jets 0 – Victory 5 (Hernandez 41’, Thompson 50’, Allsopp 61’, Allsopp 64’, Brebner 90’), Round 3, Season 2008/09 at AAMI Park, 29/08/2008.

Leading Scorers in fixture –


Jets - Joel Griffiths (5)
Victory - Archie Thompson (7)


COACHING

Coaches Head to Head – 3 matches
Scott Miller - 1 win, Kevin Muscat - 1 win, 1 draw

Newcastle Jets A-League Coaching Records –

Phil Stubbins - 3 matches (1 win, 1 draw, 1 loss = 33% win ratio)
Gary Van Egmond – 16 matches (10 wins, 2 drawn and 4 losses = 63% win ratio)
Richard Money – 3 matches (1 win, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 33% win ratio)
Branko Culina – 6 matches (1 wins, 2 drawn, 3 losses = 17% win ratio)
Nick Theodorakopoulos – 1 match (0 wins, 0 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Craig Deans – 1 match (0 wins, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Clayton Zane – 1 match (0 wins, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)

Melbourne Victory Coach Record – Kevin Muscat 30% win ratio (3 wins, 4 drawn, 3 losses)



KEY FACTS:

General

The Jets conceeded a penalty in their last 3 matches at the end of last season.
The Jets have scored the first goal in 3 of their last 4 matches.
Newcastle have played all FFA Cup games, so far, at home.
The Jets have won 1 penalty shootout in the 4 they've competed in.
Neither side has scored more than 1 goal in the last 5 meetings between the teams.



Players

Devante Clut, Wayne Brown and Ivan Vujica are in line to make their competitive debut for the club. The next player to appear will be player #141.
A combined total of 8 players have left Victroy and Jets since their last meeting.
Andrew Hoole will continue to build upon his 50 competitive appearances for the Jets.
Ben Kennedy has kept Melbourne Victory scoreless in his last 2 appearances and for 185 minutes in total.
Ben Kantarovski is the only available player to have appeared for the Jets in each year of the FFA Cup.



Newcastle Jets

The Jets are the only team to score a first half goal in the last 5 fixtures between these teams - a 37th minute goal by Ryan Kitto.



Melbourne Victory

Victory received 13 bookings in the 3 meetings last year, with no player receiving a second booking.

[MFKS]

Off to a flyer already

Error in Last match between the teams.

Was at Aami Park not Hunter Stadium

I was there
I was pissed

Buy i didn't forget.
That was the game Mullen got sent off in for a great tackle

[Jeterpool]

Off to a flyer already

Error in Last match between the teams.

Was at Aami Park not Hunter Stadium

I was there
I was pissed

Buy i didn't forget.
That was the game Mullen got sent off in for a great tackle

Lucky I'm not paid for this I guess

[MFKS]

Lucky I'm not paid for this I guess
Just think of the foz as proof readers fine tuning your statistical database

[Jeterpool]

Just think of the foz as proof readers fine tuning your statistical database

:rof:

Fair enough.

[GazFish35]

Your coaching record is wrong too.

Stubbing never coached us. He wasn't a coach's clipboard.

[hawk]

Victory should be low on confidence on that poor display v Uvey. Short cup run again for us

[Couscous]

Thanks, Jeterpool. I just posted your preview on the Vuck forum so as to try to gain kudos and influence. However, in the end, I decided to credit it to you because I don't want to be stained by your errors.

[Superdylan]

So glad this is a Wednesday night not a Tuesday night

Student night in Newy :)

[Jeterpool]

Thanks, Jeterpool. I just posted your preview on the Vuck forum so as to try to gain kudos and influence. However, in the end, I decided to credit it to you because I don't want to be stained by your errors.

Yeah good one. I guess you're the funny one the member is referring to with classic jokes like that.

[Beeen]

So glad this is a Wednesday night not a Tuesday night

Student night in Newy :)


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[MFKS]

Yeah good one. I guess you're the funny one the member is referring to with classic jokes like that.

Not him either.

We are narrowing it down though

5
5
5

[Couscous]

Yeah good one. I guess you're the funny one the member is referring to with classic jokes like that.

Oh, I'm not joking at all. My reputation on that forum is very precious to me; I really can't afford for it to suffer.

I do love your diligent work as recordkeeper, by the way. But this feedback did come back from the Vuck forum:


81 draws between the two sides? Tell Jeterpool to get his shit together

Now, that one's quite funny because I'm pretty sure it was my type, not your error.


And AAMI park wasn't even built in 2008/09. Come on Jeterpool

He had a point there, though.

By the way, I reformatted your work (http://www.melbournevictory.net/showthread.php?62149-FFA-Cup&p=3722704#post3722704) a bit to make it look better (corrected typos, too, except for that "81" howler).

[Jeterpool]

Oh, I'm not joking at all. My reputation on that forum is very precious to me; I really can't afford for it to suffer.

I do love your diligent work as recordkeeper, by the way. But this feedback did come back from the Vuck forum:



Now, that one's quite funny because I'm pretty sure it was my type, not your error.



He had a point there, though.

By the way, I reformatted your work (http://www.melbournevictory.net/showthread.php?62149-FFA-Cup&p=3722704#post3722704) a bit to make it look better (corrected typos, too, except for that "81" howler).

:trolls:

[lquiquer]

Not him either.

We are narrowing it down though

5
5
5

Dear Mr Pool, have you considered the guy you looking for could be a gypo who can't run a quiz :lulz:

[Couscous]

Mitch Austin's injured; he was just taken off against Atletico. Victory's now very short on attacking-third players. If Berisha is injured, they are seriously flucked. Almost as flucked as the Jets.

Scott Miller: sweep the leg.

[Retro Jet]

I'm getting in first: We will lose.

[Jetmaster]

Apparently there is rain forecast....will be postponed.

[lquiquer]

We will win....Victory tired after today's game and travelling up here.......puddle man of the match

[GazFish35]

I'm hearing expected poor weather.
Is it gonna be worth the trip or will it get washed out.

Any local weather gurus reckon they know what's going on.

[furns]

Prematch will be at the Premier Hotel. Announcement will be posted on website tomorrow.
U18's welcome, must be accompanied by an adult, not allowed in pokies section, etc

[lquiquer]

I'm hearing expected poor weather.
Is it gonna be worth the trip or will it get washed out.

Any local weather gurus reckon they know what's going on.

You're on the foz Gav not the Herald web site!!!!..... Nobody knows what's going on on here mate :lulzturtle:

[MFKS]

I gonna call it now

When we lose tonight


It will be down to our Managers piss poor preparation


Not playing a legit game before tonight is a ****ing disgrace

Playing shirts and skins with Gypos ain't a ****ing game


Contrast that to our opponents

Juventus and Athletico as warm up games


Yet we can't even beat a side who can't beat a Victorian NPL side

[Imyourhero]

Is tonights game on fox?

[steve136]

We're gonna win.

[weston]

Sitting in some random bar in the middle of Nth Qld with my Jets jersey on drinking beers waiting for updates on a tv.

If that's not stupid I don't know what is.

[Imyourhero]

Any streams available?

[steve136]

We're gonna lose.

[weston]

Down already

[Thomas477]

Ah BK, how I missed you.

[leftrightout]

Clut looks very tidy on the ball

[leftrightout]

Already had more shots / chances at goal than our entire FFA cup history...

[turbojetfireV8]

Any streams available?

Ditto - fox sports website wants you to subscribe to watch it... eh, no thanks...

[steve136]

BK hasn't spent his time out of the team working on his distribution.

[leftrightout]

Ditto - fox sports website wants you to subscribe to watch it... eh, no thanks...

Yeah I wasn't sure if you needed subscription or not... Because mine signs in automatically. Gees our defence is terrible!

[leftrightout]

BK hasn't spent his time out of the team working on his distribution.

If in doubt, kick it out!

[monz6]

If we can keep it at 1-0 or get to 1-1 I'll feel really confident. We will be going with the wind in the second which will have an impact

[Grimario]

I gonna call it now

When we lose tonight


It will be down to our Managers piss poor preparation


Not playing a legit game before tonight is a ****ing disgrace

Playing shirts and skins with Gypos ain't a ****ing game


Contrast that to our opponents

Juventus and Athletico as warm up games


Yet we can't even beat a side who can't beat a Victorian NPL side

Because the manager is responsible for that kind of stuff... at least blame McKinna or the ffa since they probably organised all of that before Lee took over.

[turbojetfireV8]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/ffa-cup/match-centre/match-live?matchid=FFA20160110 says Berisha already subbed " 28min - what happened??

[steve136]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/ffa-cup/match-centre/match-live?matchid=FFA20160110 says Berisha already subbed " 28min - what happened??

Commentators speculated he "got a knock" or something. Looked fine to me.

[q-money]

this wind seems pretty heinous

[MFKS]

I'd this game goes to extra time you can be certain we will lose

Just to make the fans suffer some more

I hoping we 4-0 down after 60 mimns

These ****s are shithouse

Question has to be asked who thinks we can achieve shit with this side because they are high on something

[borat]

Wow Brown has one hell of a shot on him

[borat]

1-1 cracking chip over the keeper to Brown

[leftrightout]

What a beauty of a goal! Very nicely taken, also good work from Nabbout to keep the ball in. He is looking pretty fit I think.

[borat]

And all hope evaporates with a rubbish penalty decision

[borat]

Didn't see much of the first half but we look pretty good in the 2nd. Some nice combinations out there

[q-money]

nabbout and hoffman playing well. clut + brown doing some decent work as well

melbourne's experience through the middle is showing though, seasoned vets doing seasoned vet things

[Grimario]

And all hope evaporates with a rubbish penalty decision


Didn't see much of the first half but we look pretty good in the 2nd. Some nice combinations out there

Reading both of these thoughts from victory fans around the place as well.

Only the member is full on doom and gloom it would seem.

[borat]

nabbout and hoffman playing well. clut + brown doing some decent work as well

melbourne's experience through the middle is showing though, seasoned vets doing seasoned vet things

Steve UG is killing it for mine. Everything going through him. Clut, Brown and Nabbout all pretty tidy in attack and linking well. Kanta and Hoffman doing well.

All our strong attacks seems to be from Hoff pushing down the right to Nabbout who then links inside with Clut.

Not sure if Hoole is even out there given he is such a passenger

[q-money]

Steve UG is killing it for mine.

agreed. not sure yanking clut was the best idea though, not getting much to old mate brymora up front without him

[borat]

We definitely are dominating the 2nd half, albeit chasing the game at home

[q-money]

surely there has to be a square-up penzo coming up

does anyone know what the melbourne one was actually given for?

[turbojetfireV8]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/ffa-cup/match-centre/match-live?matchid=FFA20160110 reckons Broxham has two yellows but is still out there??

[monz6]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/ffa-cup/match-centre/match-live?matchid=FFA20160110 reckons Broxham has two yellows but is still out there??

Watch the second goal closely. Ref runs over to kick the second ball off the field then gives the most soft penalty ever seen. Almost like he knew he was going to and he couldn't wait. What a joke. Not his fault we are losing but he needs to improve as much as we do.

*replying to you was accidental*

[borat]

Wow the most comical 3rd goal for Victory just as we should have scored at the other end. Game over

[borat]

We lose, but imo signs look very promising on this effort. Dominated the midfield and only lacked a 9 & 10 to finish off. The only weak spot that worries me is in goals. I just don't see BK getting through the season without have a bad patch.

[Grimario]

Doesn't that suggest he'll actually have a good patch?

[borat]

Haha.....he has his good games. Just gets that drop in confidence too often

[turbojetfireV8]

so was that an error or should Broxham have been shown a red for two yellows??

edit: they've now changed it to say it was Ansell (though the foul still says it was Broxham)...

[Grimario]

Appaz first was Valeri.

[monz6]

Ryan Kitto scored for adelaide

[hawk]

Ryan Kitto scored for adelaide

Another legend going onto great things. remember that coastie game <3

[borat]

It was definitely Broxham the fouled

[Grimario]

It was definitely Broxham the fouled

For the first or second or both?

[borat]

Second

[MFKS]

Reading both of these thoughts from victory fans around the place as well.

Only the member is full on doom and gloom it would seem.

What is there to be excited about ??

We got comfortably beaten by a side who was not that impressive

Statistics i know Plague don't like them but the only one that matters is the ****ing score board

We barely had a shot at goal and rarely threatened Thomas

Let's not forget they played a shit **** like Broxham and we didn't towel him up

Exactly what is there to be happy with?? That we dominated possession in the back half of the pitch??
FMD

It's about what you do with it in the front 3rd that matters and how you cope in your back 3rd.
We were second best in both parts

Second best where it matters


Our preparation was amateur

Our off season recruitment is haphazard

FFS first competitive game of the season and we can't even play a ****ing striker because we haven't signed anyone

Our tactics in those conditions were amatuer and naive and the Manager needs a foot up the arse

Our defence and keeper were poor and it is ridiculous that signings haven't been made in this area


Let's not forget the club is run by a Gypo who has achieved nothing

Yeah it's all ****ing rosy in Newy


Same shit different year

Rinse and repeat

[q-money]

:wub:

[halo se7en]

What is there to be excited about ??

We got comfortably beaten by a side who was not that impressive

Statistics i know Plague don't like them but the only one that matters is the ****ing score board

We barely had a shot at goal and rarely threatened Thomas

Let's not forget they played a shit **** like Broxham and we didn't towel him up

Exactly what is there to be happy with?? That we dominated possession in the back half of the pitch??
FMD

It's about what you do with it in the front 3rd that matters and how you cope in your back 3rd.
We were second best in both parts

Second best where it matters


Our preparation was amateur

Our off season recruitment is haphazard

FFS first competitive game of the season and we can't even play a ****ing striker because we haven't signed anyone

Our tactics in those conditions were amatuer and naive and the Manager needs a foot up the arse

Our defence and keeper were poor and it is ridiculous that signings haven't been made in this area


Let's not forget the club is run by a Gypo who has achieved nothing

Yeah it's all ****ing rosy in Newy


Same shit different year

Rinse and repeat

You're a dead set ****ing idiot. Nordstrand & Haliti are both recovering/rehabbing from injury, hence no striker. Our back line was missing our captain. The recruitment of Brown and Clut looks to be a positive so far and Nabbout went alright too.

How did MV comfortably beat us? By waiting to get a soft as **** penalty? By waiting for us to **** up at the back at the end of the game? The ref let MV kick us out of the game and if we tried it back he was straight to the pocket - of all people banging on about refs, you're suspiciously quiet if it means yet another dig at the club. ****ing wake up to yourself.

[lquiquer]

Quite frankly myself I only watch the scoreboard......:rolleyes:

[au revoir]

Needs more tins

[MFKS]

You're a dead set ****ing idiot. Nordstrand & Haliti are both recovering/rehabbing from injury, hence no striker. Our back line was missing our captain. The recruitment of Brown and Clut looks to be a positive so far and Nabbout went alright too.

How did MV comfortably beat us? By waiting to get a soft as **** penalty? By waiting for us to **** up at the back at the end of the game? The ref let MV kick us out of the game and if we tried it back he was straight to the pocket - of all people banging on about refs, you're suspiciously quiet if it means yet another dig at the club. ****ing wake up to yourself.

We have been training for 6 weeks.

Where the **** is our striker??Yeah that bloke Millertime should have had here 6 weeks ago?? That bloke he is signing to replace Milos??

Maybe we could have signed a striker instead of all those ****ing defensive midfielders we have??

We were missing Boogaard?? Wow.
That aint gonna patch up the rest of them into a solid unit is it??
Can't polish a turd etc

Victory weren't comfortable?? They played away from home and we tested them when??

As for the ref. Yeah a soft incompetent fool. But if you think he cost us the game your delusion is impressive.We cost ourselves the game.

No one else did.


Hopefully Ledman has seen enough and starts to ring the changes

[borat]

To be fair to the member, the one thing I agree about is we don't really give a shit about the FFA cup. If we were serious we would have signed our players by now and started training well before now.

My expectations of this game were we might jag an upset, but I didn't expect us to control the game as well as we did. If you look at the last two seasons we rarely control the play and always just look to counter. Tonight we played well and dominated the middle of the park. Very little end product but I expected that without a starting 9 or 10.

So pleasantly surprised and was a game where we played well but lost.

[lquiquer]

When did Miller go to Europe?.... When he came back the excuse was: we have to wait for preseason to start again in Europe before we can sign a quality striker...... Well preseason is well under way in Europe they even playing champions league preleminary round already and still no sign of any signing here. But we've been close to finalise it for few weeks now. Negotiation are well advanced apparently!!!...... I would like Miller or CEO to exactly tell us where we up 2 regarding that matter. Maybe explain us what the delay is?.... Guy is keen but won't sign till he is 100% sure he won't get a contract in Europe ? Maybe ? Maybe other reasons? Maybe we still looking and we will sign a nobody at the last minute like Milosh last year?...... So Member is right new striker should have been ready and prepared to play today's game and borat is right when he says we don't show enough interest in the cup.......

[rhysd]

What is there to be excited about ??

We got comfortably beaten by a side who was not that impressive

Statistics i know Plague don't like them but the only one that matters is the ****ing score board

We barely had a shot at goal and rarely threatened Thomas

Let's not forget they played a shit **** like Broxham and we didn't towel him up

Exactly what is there to be happy with?? That we dominated possession in the back half of the pitch??
FMD

It's about what you do with it in the front 3rd that matters and how you cope in your back 3rd.
We were second best in both parts

Second best where it matters


Our preparation was amateur

Our off season recruitment is haphazard

FFS first competitive game of the season and we can't even play a ****ing striker because we haven't signed anyone

Our tactics in those conditions were amatuer and naive and the Manager needs a foot up the arse

Our defence and keeper were poor and it is ridiculous that signings haven't been made in this area


Let's not forget the club is run by a Gypo who has achieved nothing

Yeah it's all ****ing rosy in Newy


Same shit different year

Rinse and repeat

"what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul!" - most apt quote

[MFKS]

"what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul!" - most apt quote

So you think Lee Broxham isn't a shit **** of a footballer and we should be happy we didn't towel him up last night??

Ok

[weston]

Yeh, I hate it when people don't get a "toweling" when they deserve one............

[sneaky]

So you think Lee Broxham isn't a shit **** of a footballer and we should be happy we didn't towel him up last night??

Ok

Leigh Brougham has nothing to do with it.

Jets played very well dominated possession and from sideline you could here our boys clearly having it over them. They were on back foot! Clut, Brown Nab and especially Stevie Ug were very promising. Watching from halfway in rain was fun. Take away dodgy penalty call and could have been a very different result and response!!!

[halo se7en]

We have been training for 6 weeks.

Where the **** is our striker??Yeah that bloke Millertime should have had here 6 weeks ago?? That bloke he is signing to replace Milos??

Maybe we could have signed a striker instead of all those ****ing defensive midfielders we have??

We were missing Boogaard?? Wow.
That aint gonna patch up the rest of them into a solid unit is it??
Can't polish a turd etc

Victory weren't comfortable?? They played away from home and we tested them when??

As for the ref. Yeah a soft incompetent fool. But if you think he cost us the game your delusion is impressive.We cost ourselves the game.

No one else did.


Hopefully Ledman has seen enough and starts to ring the changes

All those DMs? Are you serious? Ugarkovic, Poljak, Kanta..... wow, we're definitely overstocked in the middle.

Boogaard might not be a world-beater but I still put him ahead of Mullen & Kanta as CB. Also as captain, yeah there is a chance he would have improved the team last night ,if only slightly. But slightly can be enough of a difference between conceding a goal or not.

We didn't test Victory at all. Not when we sent a few headers just wide, not when Brown's exquisite chip actually went in, and not when he had another go from outside the box late in the game. Funnily enough, this part seems to relate to not having Nordstrand or Haliti available.

You don't think the ref sending MV 2-1 up had any effect? Not to mention the foul he didn't blow that led to their second corner right before the PK. You don't think we then had to push on further and try and force the issue because of that decision?

You're right, Lee should check out how well the other A-league sides did in the FFA Cup.

[Jetmaster]

"what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul!" - most apt quote

:deadhorse:

All cool - the good Member would have had his "suite" of barbs and accompanying flowchart prepared and ready to roll. He needs to chill for the good of his health...


For getting angry can shorten your life, according to a study.

Using more than three decades of population data, researchers found that men who had admitted they had a short fuse when questioned around the age of 35 were more likely to be dead 35 years later than those who were less quick to anger.

Those who were among the angriest 25 per cent had a 1.57-fold increase in their risk of dying early compared to the calmest 25 per cent, the researchers from Iowa State University discovered.

And I haven't looked at the "BK is the Antichrist" thread yet!

[Jeterpool]

Firstly, credit to the 1956 people who showed up last night. Well done.

However, I'm pissed off because we're out of the cup for the third year in our first match. I really wanted a cup run this year because I think we'd have benefited from it.

The Jets took a while to settle into last night's match and were duly punished. In the second half we also saw Victory take some time to adjust to the howling wind and we scored as well. 3-1 was a flattering scoreline to the Victory.

It's easy to blame the referee but I thought he had a poor night. He was far more lenient to the challenges of Victory than he was the Jets.

Neither side was particularly fluid. I thought our midfield two were very good - Stevie UG in particular. Enjoy seeing him while you can folks because he is far too good for this league. I thought Nabbout offered pace we were lacking last year and played well. Clut and Brown were also impressive.

I continue my chant from last year that Cowburn is not a left back. We strung most of our attack down Hoffman's side, particularly in the first half when Hoole was switched over in front of him. Our defence seemed a bit shaky and I wonder whether that has a bit to do with JP leaving? Not sure.

Tough night for BK. The result and some moments won't silence the debate about his ability to aptly fill the #1 spot and how Miller has decided to recruit in that position. Second and 3rd goal he couldn't do anything about. First goal was a sublime cross. I'd like to see him work on his distribution but lets see how it goes on a pitch that doesn't have the goal square chopped up and not blowing a 90km/hr gale in his face.

I think both teams performances indicated the level of game time and quality of opposition they have played so far. Also, that the Victory team have had 2-3 years all playing together now, as opposed to our entirely new front third.

What I found interesting was the lack of subs and that Brymora was chose over both Pavicevic and Brennan to come on. Perhaps that's a sign of the pecking order.

Nordstrand, Boogaard and Haliti to add some depth once they return.

Not all doom and gloom but I'm not feeling as optimistic as was after last year's performance. Granted we were coming from below rock bottom at that point in time.

[Jetmaster]

Sensible comments.

Positive though - how good is Brown looking as a goalscoring mid?

[Jeterpool]

Sensible comments.

Positive though - how good is Brown looking as a goalscoring mid?

He is going to be a threat. Put Nordstrand or *new striker* in front of him and there's potential.

We interviewed him for the pod last night and we're all rugged up and the bloke is standing there in a T-Shirt!

[Captain Obvious]

Take away dodgy penalty call and could have been a very different result and response!!!

Yes it would have been 2-1 to Melbourne Victory.

[borat]

Sensible comments.

Positive though - how good is Brown looking as a goalscoring mid?
Browns touch is fantastic, and as Miller said he clearly is a more technical player than we are used to.

I actually would like to see him paired in the middle of the park with Steve UG. I think dropping Brown deeper will get him on the ball more and they both have the lungs to play box to box. I think a Ugarkovic/Brown combination could be one of the best in the league.

I also think it's certain Nabbout will start for us. Wouldn't have said so before last night but he clearly has that attacking edge we lacked last year

[borat]

Also watched a replay of the 3rd Victory goal. WTF were BK and Mullen doing?

1st goal seemed like a similar debacle. This is not a good start for those two.

[baldrick]

Who was Andrew Nabbout giving a gobful to in the crowd late in the second half ?

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Brown, UG, Clut and Nabs looked fantastic last night. Clear standouts. Looking forward to seeing what they can do throughout the year. If Brown stays fit and doesn't get muscled off the ball, he will be very clinical for us.

Our defense is what will hurt us this year, we'll leak more than we score.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Who was Andrew Nabbout giving a gobful to in the crowd late in the second half ?

Victree supporters.

https://twitter.com/andrewnabbout/status/760814096673452032

[borat]

Who was Andrew Nabbout giving a gobful to in the crowd late in the second half ?
It was the linesman for not giving a pen for a blatant handball

[Roundball Enthusiast]

It was the linesman for not giving a pen for a blatant handball

Oh that one, after we scored he ran over towards the victree supporters as well.

Man he sprayed that linesman!

[Jeterpool]

Man he sprayed that linesman!

Sure it wasn't the rain?

[baldrick]

Oh that one, after we scored he ran over towards the victree supporters as well.

Man he sprayed that linesman!


Excellent. Already got some Newy in him

[Tommyjet]

Keeping this as brief as i can.

Pissed about our preparation and the fact we seemingly didn't take last nights loss seriously enough (ie millers postgame comments).

Thrilled with much of the play last night. Happy with the style of play. Excited to see more of ugar and brown combination.

[Local Rules]

I think a Ugarkovic/Brown combination could be one of the best in the league.

So you are saying that we should have Brown S UGAR in the centre of the park. I can see the Rolling Stones being played everytim they pass the ball to each other.

[Jeterpool]

So you are saying that we should have Brown S UGAR in the centre of the park. I can see the Rolling Stones being played everytim they pass the ball to each other.

Oh dear....

[RAM]

So you think Lee Broxham isn't a shit **** of a footballer and we should be happy we didn't towel him up last night??

Ok

Broxham actually does pretty well at HAL level. You're a ****ing idiot.

[GO AWAY]

Firstly, credit to the 1956 people who showed up last night. Well done.

However, I'm pissed off because we're out of the cup for the third year in our first match. I really wanted a cup run this year because I think we'd have benefited from it.

The Jets took a while to settle into last night's match and were duly punished. In the second half we also saw Victory take some time to adjust to the howling wind and we scored as well. 3-1 was a flattering scoreline to the Victory.

It's easy to blame the referee but I thought he had a poor night. He was far more lenient to the challenges of Victory than he was the Jets.

Neither side was particularly fluid. I thought our midfield two were very good - Stevie UG in particular. Enjoy seeing him while you can folks because he is far too good for this league. I thought Nabbout offered pace we were lacking last year and played well. Clut and Brown were also impressive.

I continue my chant from last year that Cowburn is not a left back. We strung most of our attack down Hoffman's side, particularly in the first half when Hoole was switched over in front of him. Our defence seemed a bit shaky and I wonder whether that has a bit to do with JP leaving? Not sure.

Tough night for BK. The result and some moments won't silence the debate about his ability to aptly fill the #1 spot and how Miller has decided to recruit in that position. Second and 3rd goal he couldn't do anything about. First goal was a sublime cross. I'd like to see him work on his distribution but lets see how it goes on a pitch that doesn't have the goal square chopped up and not blowing a 90km/hr gale in his face.

I think both teams performances indicated the level of game time and quality of opposition they have played so far. Also, that the Victory team have had 2-3 years all playing together now, as opposed to our entirely new front third.

What I found interesting was the lack of subs and that Brymora was chose over both Pavicevic and Brennan to come on. Perhaps that's a sign of the pecking order.

Nordstrand, Boogaard and Haliti to add some depth once they return.

Not all doom and gloom but I'm not feeling as optimistic as was after last year's performance. Granted we were coming from below rock bottom at that point in time.

Didn't see game, but if what you are saying is true, your third last paragraph says we have problems.

[Grimario]

Oh dear....

One for the quote sig?

[Grimario]

Didn't see game, but if what you are saying is true, your third last paragraph says we have problems.

We had no Haliti, Norstrand, Chinese Miracle Dev or mystery Euro Striker. Brymora, Pav and Brenan won't even be near the bench once people are signed and back fit, surely?

[Jeterpool]

Didn't see game, but if what you are saying is true, your third last paragraph says we have problems.

Because Brymora was chosen over Brennan and Pav? Maybe I'm putting one and one together and getting 3...I don't know. Just my assumption.

Miller has previously chosen not to use all reserves, so it's not in isolation. However, after doing the interview with Scott the other week he's looking for the fringe players to really step up. Why no Mitch Cooper last night, for example?

I think it's a case of rewarding Brymora for his goal scoring NPL form.

[GO AWAY]

We had no Haliti, Norstrand, Chinese Miracle Dev or mystery Euro Striker. Brymora, Pav and Brenan won't even be near the bench once people are signed and back fit, surely?

Phewwwww

[Jeterpool]

One for the quote sig?

Nope. Not this time.

[Grimario]

Nope. Not this time.

Woop. Glad to be 25% of the sig still. Need to make another great call though, can only live on that glory for so long given how ancient it is.

[borat]

Why no Mitch Cooper last night, for example?



I would suggest Cooper was busy packing his bags

[Jeterpool]

Woop. Glad to be 25% of the sig still. Need to make another great call though, can only live on that glory for so long given how ancient it is.

Decided to do a cull. I think the Wholose call is one of the greatest in Foz history.

[Grimario]

But now it's a 50/50 Newy Gypo sig. That's pretty bad for you.

[A.J.]

I think the most important question is what are the Zads Lads boys going to do this year? Cluts Sluts? Browns Clowns? J - Hoffs Jerkoffs?

[Grimario]

It's a shame Pav isn't any good because a supporter group of Pav Lovas would be great.

[plague]

Broxham actually does pretty well at HAL level. You're a ****ing idiot.

There's really only one way to solve this debate.

JETERPOOL: let's have his assist numbers please.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

There's really only one way to solve this debate.

JETERPOOL: let's have his assist numbers please.

:lulzturtle:

[Jeterpool]

There's really only one way to solve this debate.

JETERPOOL: let's have his assist numbers please.


:lulzturtle:

I only have Jets stats, not league stats. Sorry Mr Plague(s?) but you'll have to go outside and sort this out the old-fashioned way.

Pistols at dawn.

However 5 goals in 208 A-League games doesn't sound great to me.

[The Dunster]

Melbourne 3 Newcastle 1.

That's the only stat that matters the rest are merely excuses.

[Tommyjet]

Melbourne 3 Newcastle 1.

That's the only stat that matters the rest are merely excuses.

Speaking of excuses can someone locate the postgame comments from miller. Something like we only had one game prep blah blah blah

[lquiquer]

Melbourne 3 Newcastle 1.

That's the only stat that matters the rest are merely excuses.

I'm with you Dunster......sick of hearing and reading about : Not the result we wanted but lots of positive signs, we played good, we dominated the midfield, the ref is a c&%t, victory had all their players not us.... that is all ****ing shit talk
We lost.....AGAIN and it's not acceptable.

[lquiquer]

I would suggest Cooper was busy packing his bags

He was wearing his suit sitting in the grand stand watching the game

[Wilso8948]

Speaking of excuses can someone locate the postgame comments from miller. Something like we only had one game prep blah blah blah

technically, tactically, mentality. That's probably about 85% of it right there.

[hawk]

We lost.....AGAIN and it's not acceptable.

but is usual.

standard coach comments. How to keep my job by cliches....

[plague]

I only have Jets stats, not league stats. Sorry Mr Plague(s?) but you'll have to go outside and sort this out the old-fashioned way.

Pistols at dawn.

However 5 goals in 208 A-League games doesn't sound great to me.

Ok when Plague gets home to his mums basement I'll get him to post the STATS.
But then I'm gonna need my man stopper2 to decipher them for me.

Talk soon.

[Jeterpool]

I'm with you Dunster......sick of hearing and reading about : Not the result we wanted but lots of positive signs, we played good, we dominated the midfield, the ref is a c&%t, victory had all their players not us.... that is all ****ing shit talk
We lost.....AGAIN and it's not acceptable.

So because we lost, everything is automatically crap about the performance? We can't recognise elements of our play or a player's performance was good despite some failings of the team unit?

If we had won, would all players also be free of scrutiny?

[GazFish35]

I had fun.

that is all that matters

[Grimario]

If we had won, would all players also be free of scrutiny?

Except BK, yes.

[lquiquer]

So because we lost, everything is automatically crap about the performance? We can't recognise elements of our play or a player's performance was good despite some failings of the team unit?

If we had won, would all players also be free of scrutiny?

All that matters to me is the scoreboard......and we lost so I'd rather hear about what went wrong. Not interested in all the positives we can take out of the game. Been hearing that for years now. I want us to win and we should have taken the FFA cup more seriously.

[Jeterpool]

All that matters to me is the scoreboard......and we lost so I'd rather hear about what went wrong. Not interested in all the positives we can take out of the game. Been hearing that for years now. I want us to win and we should have taken the FFA cup more seriously.

I can appreciate that. I don't necessarily agree but I understand where you're coming from. You've got a point about hearing it for years now, but I think if I get too negative at this point it'll ruin me for the season.

I mentioned before I'm not as optimistic as I was last year, but that performance was like watching a team other than the Jets after the shit dished up by Stubbins' team.

[halo se7en]

Yep, we should be winning every single game we play. Even when we have injured starters. We should be towelling up a useless team like Melbourne Victory, because it's not like they have quality foreigners, including one of the best the a-league has seen. It's not like they put out nearly the strongest team they could have. It's not like they have a stable core of players that have been able to stay together for a few years and really gel as a club. None of that counts at all. The almighty Jets should be conquering everyone and everything in their path.

And the best way to establish a core group of players that can help our club move forward... is to get rid of the squad and start again! Get rid of the coach and start again! **** stability. Let's buy the league like Melbourne City has, because that's clearly worked for them......

To all the critics out there, give me just ONE reason why you think we had the right to expect to win that game last night?

[lquiquer]

Yep, we should be winning every single game we play. Even when we have injured starters. We should be towelling up a useless team like Melbourne Victory, because it's not like they have quality foreigners, including one of the best the a-league has seen. It's not like they put out nearly the strongest team they could have. It's not like they have a stable core of players that have been able to stay together for a few years and really gel as a club. None of that counts at all. The almighty Jets should be conquering everyone and everything in their path.

And the best way to establish a core group of players that can help our club move forward... is to get rid of the squad and start again! Get rid of the coach and start again! **** stability. Let's buy the league like Melbourne City has, because that's clearly worked for them......

To all the critics out there, give me just ONE reason why you think we had the right to expect to win that game last night?

we were at home

[Roundball Enthusiast]

To all the critics out there, give me just ONE reason why you think we had the right to expect to win that game last night?

Because just one time, I'd like to see if we could do it on a cold windy night in Newy.

[plague]

I only have Jets stats, not league stats. Sorry Mr Plague(s?) but you'll have to go outside and sort this out the old-fashioned way.

Pistols at dawn.

However 5 goals in 208 A-League games doesn't sound great to me.

Leigh Broxham got exactly no assists last season so as we all know this means he needs to be let go.

Nice career Broxham, but you have 'failed to impress'.

[Jetmaster]

I think the most important question is what are the Zads Lads boys going to do this year? Cluts Sluts? Browns Clowns? J - Hoffs Jerkoffs?

Has to be Nobby's Nutz.

[plague]

oh and just to let all you guys know, the grand total of 'assists' for Melbournes "number 9's" last year (Berisha, Pain, Thompson) is 2.

Thats 2 assists combined lads.

The Jets assists for the same position players?

yeah, 2.

Yep, lets all hang our hat on that stat.

[Tommyjet]

Yep, we should be winning every single game we play. Even when we have injured starters. We should be towelling up a useless team like Melbourne Victory, because it's not like they have quality foreigners, including one of the best the a-league has seen. It's not like they put out nearly the strongest team they could have. It's not like they have a stable core of players that have been able to stay together for a few years and really gel as a club. None of that counts at all. The almighty Jets should be conquering everyone and everything in their path.

And the best way to establish a core group of players that can help our club move forward... is to get rid of the squad and start again! Get rid of the coach and start again! **** stability. Let's buy the league like Melbourne City has, because that's clearly worked for them......

To all the critics out there, give me just ONE reason why you think we had the right to expect to win that game last night?
I agree. I just hate the fact we were under prepared and just generally act like the competition means very little. Every jets game means a f@#king lot to me!!

[GazFish35]

we were at home

but we never win at home either

[Hunter403]

I don't know why you are all so upset. The FFA Cup is a candy arse bit of flotsam on the football calendar. Anyone with an ounce of football intelligence knows it's a waste of time and money. The Jets are far better off losing and getting out of it. That way they can't get more TV exposure for themselves or their sponsors, show the nation they are worthy of increased sponsorship, use success in such a competition to attract players or win any prize money or silverware. It frees them of the concerns of fitting in bus trips to Bluetongue for trial games.

Move on all of you. The FFA cup is waste. The club knows it and has proven it with what many think is defeat every year. The reality is that failure is success!!

:trolls:

[MFKS]

So because we lost, everything is automatically crap about the performance? We can't recognise elements of our play or a player's performance was good despite some failings of the team unit?

If we had won, would all players also be free of scrutiny?

But exactly what was good about the performance??

We had a pile of ball in the back half of our pitch and spent most of the time passing it from side to side and getting it into midfield only to turn it back and recycle it and start again.

When we played it forward we lost it more often than not.

This passing the ball shit about at the back is the easy part of playing a passing game. It is getting the ball through the lines and into the final 3rd that matters.

As for getting it into the final 3rd

We had 1 shot of note in the entire first half which Thomas saved and a long range effort that flew over the bar.

In the second half we scored with a chip from outside the box.

We had a couple of headers sail wide and a couple of other long range shots.

Our only other significant effort was a Victree header that Thomas had to do real well with to claw out

When exactly did we look like scoring??
When exactly did we seriously have them on the ropes??

We didn't

If at 2-1 we got a draw no one could honestly say we deserved it.

As for our defence. 3 very soft goals to concede. All easily avoidable and not good enough


I not understand why blokes are so impressed about us passing the ball about all night amongst the back 6 against an opponent who infrequently pressed us and was happy to allow us the ball and get themselves compact and organised

For a start it cost us one goal in the end.

It is also something that blokes who are employed to play football for a living should be capable of doing.

As for the remarks people have posted about ohh we are missing him,we are missing him as well etc

Labi tries his arse off but he ain't the second coming of Griff and is a limited player
Boogaard is gonna bring us what?? Less speed to our pedestrian paced Back4 and a pile of cards and free kicks and pens for our keeper to deal with.
Nobby may well be a smart player but he looks smart as he stands out amongst the chaff we have. There is easily 8 foreigners in the HAL I would be taking before him

We also have the Chinese development kid to come in and some foreign striker who may or may not even show up such is the clubs failings so far on this front.

Yep we have a lot to look forward to when our rival last night can add Troisi and what otherquality players they sign to bring in

Reality is there ain't that much to be excited by this season. Same shit different year.

We have a manager and CEO and owner who are actively doing nothing to change this either.


Reality is we were not good enough last season and we have done little to address this short coming this season


Another year of failure coming for the good people of Newy

Yet some of you people are grinning away at the future as we are being led to the gallows to meet our fate.

FMD

[halo se7en]

So if our whole team is utter rubbish, why are you complaining about this striker we don't have yet? What difference would he have made?

And when we do have a foreign striker who has a bit more about him than our current crop, but who was missing last night, you claim he wouldn't have made a difference anyway.

So what's your solution? Sack the 23 and rebuild from scratch? Who would you sign?

Of course there are other foreigners I'd love to have. But it's not the reality is it. Every club finds both gems and duds overseas and we're no different. A few more of the latter but what do we do? Stop trying on foreigners altogether? Compared to a lot of other managers, including our own previous, Miller so far has a reasonable track record with his foreigners. Trifunovic and Leo didn't last more than one season but they certainly weren't flops, not relative to standard A-league flops. Nordstrand looks good, and Brown looks promising after last night's performance.

How do you know management aren't actively doing anything? Because they aren't feeding us updates every day? Despite the constant whinging from fans when they used to tell us about potential signings, only for us to get interested and have the signing collapse. There's a whole host of reasons why the new player hasn't turned up yet. Could be his fault, could be the club's fault, could be neither.

[monz6]

One year I hope we decide we are going to take the ffa cup seriously and be prepared prior to the round of 32 match. I agree with lots of comments saying it looks promising and commending performances of certain individuals, I think we are in for a good year, but seriously the ffa cup Is something we need to start approaching with a better attitude

[monz6]

Also mfks how tall are you?

[MFKS]

Also mfks how tall are you?

5 11"

[MFKS]

So if our whole team is utter rubbish, why are you complaining about this striker we don't have yet? What difference would he have made?

And when we do have a foreign striker who has a bit more about him than our current crop, but who was missing last night, you claim he wouldn't have made a difference anyway.

So what's your solution? Sack the 23 and rebuild from scratch? Who would you sign?

Of course there are other foreigners I'd love to have. But it's not the reality is it. Every club finds both gems and duds overseas and we're no different. A few more of the latter but what do we do? Stop trying on foreigners altogether? Compared to a lot of other managers, including our own previous, Miller so far has a reasonable track record with his foreigners. Trifunovic and Leo didn't last more than one season but they certainly weren't flops, not relative to standard A-league flops. Nordstrand looks good, and Brown looks promising after last night's performance.

How do you know management aren't actively doing anything? Because they aren't feeding us updates every day? Despite the constant whinging from fans when they used to tell us about potential signings, only for us to get interested and have the signing collapse. There's a whole host of reasons why the new player hasn't turned up yet. Could be his fault, could be the club's fault, could be neither.

Just keep peddling the excuses

Millertime got rid of Milos end of March.


That's 4 full month's to find a replacement.

Considering the striker is a key player exactly what is the hold up??

The striker is a key signing you build your side around.

But no we go the other way and bring him in at last minute and expect him to adapt to the rest of the squad.

The manager is the only one responsible for us having 2 injured strikers on the books.

No one else

2 is excessively light and the fact he allows this sees the criticism of this worthy.


Just as our abysmal preparation with one shirts and skins gam rests with him.

There are 9 NPL sides in Newy, there are 3 HAL sides within 2 hours drive and 12 NSWNPL sides within 2 hours drive.

To be unable to pick up the phone and be able to rustle up only one shirts and skins hit out in a six week period is a damning reflection on him.

If he thinks the preparation was adequate then he is clearly wrong

If he was aware the preparation was inadequate and has done nothing about it then he has failed the club players and fans

Instead of offering up excuses for everything how about we offer up some honesty ad responsibility for our failings.

How about it starts at the top. Where errors and failures are ackowledged, ownership is taken for it, accountability is in effect and excuses for failure are NEVER EVER offered.

You get that from the top and then maybe you don't see a pile of layers who are quite happy to try hard and win every now and then but ultimately fail over and over again as they don't have an expectation from the club to actually perform to a level.

[Thomas477]

I'm with the member on this one. For the past three years we have treated the FFA cup like a preseason tournament and have got what we deserve on all three occasions. The sooner we realise that this is an actual tournament and treat it with the respect it deserves, like all the other clubs in the country do, the better.

One game is not ****ing good enough when even all the local round 1 participant probably had 2 or more games leading into it.

[lquiquer]

but we never win at home either

that's the point: We should

[halo se7en]

Just keep peddling the excuses

Millertime got rid of Milos end of March.


That's 4 full month's to find a replacement.

Considering the striker is a key player exactly what is the hold up??

The striker is a key signing you build your side around.

But no we go the other way and bring him in at last minute and expect him to adapt to the rest of the squad.

The manager is the only one responsible for us having 2 injured strikers on the books.

No one else

2 is excessively light and the fact he allows this sees the criticism of this worthy.


Just as our abysmal preparation with one shirts and skins gam rests with him.

There are 9 NPL sides in Newy, there are 3 HAL sides within 2 hours drive and 12 NSWNPL sides within 2 hours drive.

To be unable to pick up the phone and be able to rustle up only one shirts and skins hit out in a six week period is a damning reflection on him.

If he thinks the preparation was adequate then he is clearly wrong

If he was aware the preparation was inadequate and has done nothing about it then he has failed the club players and fans

Instead of offering up excuses for everything how about we offer up some honesty ad responsibility for our failings.

How about it starts at the top. Where errors and failures are ackowledged, ownership is taken for it, accountability is in effect and excuses for failure are NEVER EVER offered.

You get that from the top and then maybe you don't see a pile of layers who are quite happy to try hard and win every now and then but ultimately fail over and over again as they don't have an expectation from the club to actually perform to a level.

Hang on, I thought you said our squad was garbage? So are you saying you expect them to improve with better preparation? Make up your mind.

Either complain about the prep, or complain about the lack of ability in our squad. The result last night can't be down to both. And if you want to raise both of those as complaints, that makes the performance from an unprepared, incompetent club even more impressive against a seasoned team of pros like MV who were hardly dominant.

You're getting so worked up over one signing that isn't here yet, to which none of us know the reason for. But why would Miller sign anymore additional strikers knowing Haliti and Nordstrand will be fit for the season ie the competition that actually matters? He's still lumbered with Brennan/Pavicevic who he doesn't rate, and he's also given a young guy in Brymora a chance last night, something you've been critical of in the past when we haven't tried youth.

Funnily enough, people who think we're falling further behind the other teams are happy to point out that those clubs still have signings to come, yet when we have a signing to come, it's a bad thing because it's too late.

The season is still 2 months away and that's what the preparation should be geared for. Personally I wanted them to win last night but I don't give two shits about the FFA Cup as a whole. At the end of the day, Miller will get judged on where we finish next March/April, not how far we get in an offseason knockout tournament. There's a reason NPL clubs are causing their fair share of upsets.

[Frodo]

I couldn't a crap about a pre-season knock out comp when we can't even finish inside the top 6 regularly. If we can have a pre season that doesn't involve changes to almost half the team we can take the FFA cup seriously, A striker wouldn't have won us the FFA cup, 2 new defenders wouldn't have won us the game, no amount of new players would have won us anything. Preseason and early season wins are built on stability, something which we have no idea about.

The people who wanted to win the FFA cup won't take positives from the game which is totally fine. People who don't care about the FFA cup will take it as a glorified friendly and take positives out of new combinations forming. Neither is correct.

[lquiquer]

Big clubs become big because they develop a winning mentality. Every comp they enter they want to win. The Jets are participating hoping for best outcome.

[MFKS]

Big clubs become big because they develop a winning mentality. Every comp they enter they want to win. The Jets are participating hoping for best outcome.
Yep truth bombs there

Where as we have fans that actually defend the failings of the club and thus allow the losing culture to be tolerated.

Maybe if we as fans put the club in a position where they were expected to deliver then they may raise their game rather than now where they are allowed to fail again and again and again and we have people defending them for it

[belchardo]

5 11"

Thought you were 5'5.5".

[skullboy]

oh and just to let all you guys know, the grand total of 'assists' for Melbournes "number 9's" last year (Berisha, Pain, Thompson) is 2.

Thats 2 assists combined lads.

The Jets assists for the same position players?

yeah, 2.

Yep, lets all hang our hat on that stat.

Crikey!! The stats are pointless barney was weeks ago wasn't it? And you've only just found a stat to prove that stats don't prove anything? Or do they? How many actual goals did those guys score? Not counting penalties of course - because that is the most pointless stat of all......

[plague]

Crikey!! The stats are pointless barney was weeks ago wasn't it? And you've only just found a stat to prove that stats don't prove anything? Or do they? How many actual goals did those guys score? Not counting penalties of course - because that is the most pointless stat of all......

nah.
I've always (and only) argued that assists are a garbage stat especially when its the only stat you produce to say a bloke should be sacked.
As i showed above in a totally garbage post that assists shouldn't be the only stat you go to when compiling your argument.

if you believe in assists being important then you believe my garbage post. i aint deciding for anyone, just putting some data out there for you all.

(and I'm still waiting on my man to come back and explain exactly what the damn hell an 'assist' is anyway - anyone?).

[Wilso8948]

(and I'm still waiting on my man to come back and explain exactly what the damn hell an 'assist' is anyway - anyone?).

I think its something to do with fluid filled sacs in the body

[lquiquer]

The winner of the FFA cup should qualify for ACL. That's where Mr Lee wants to take us, then it could be done in 5 games............and Jets might treat it / prepare more seriously

[boz-monaut]

The winner of the FFA cup should qualify for ACL.
agreed

it fits with my dream of seeing Cooks Hill United winning the World Club Cup

[Jeterpool]

But exactly what was good about the performance??

We had a pile of ball in the back half of our pitch and spent most of the time passing it from side to side and getting it into midfield only to turn it back and recycle it and start again.

When we played it forward we lost it more often than not.

This passing the ball shit about at the back is the easy part of playing a passing game. It is getting the ball through the lines and into the final 3rd that matters.

As for getting it into the final 3rd

We had 1 shot of note in the entire first half which Thomas saved and a long range effort that flew over the bar.

In the second half we scored with a chip from outside the box.

We had a couple of headers sail wide and a couple of other long range shots.

Our only other significant effort was a Victree header that Thomas had to do real well with to claw out

When exactly did we look like scoring??
When exactly did we seriously have them on the ropes??

We didn't

If at 2-1 we got a draw no one could honestly say we deserved it.

As for our defence. 3 very soft goals to concede. All easily avoidable and not good enough


I not understand why blokes are so impressed about us passing the ball about all night amongst the back 6 against an opponent who infrequently pressed us and was happy to allow us the ball and get themselves compact and organised

For a start it cost us one goal in the end.

It is also something that blokes who are employed to play football for a living should be capable of doing.

As for the remarks people have posted about ohh we are missing him,we are missing him as well etc

Labi tries his arse off but he ain't the second coming of Griff and is a limited player
Boogaard is gonna bring us what?? Less speed to our pedestrian paced Back4 and a pile of cards and free kicks and pens for our keeper to deal with.
Nobby may well be a smart player but he looks smart as he stands out amongst the chaff we have. There is easily 8 foreigners in the HAL I would be taking before him

We also have the Chinese development kid to come in and some foreign striker who may or may not even show up such is the clubs failings so far on this front.

Yep we have a lot to look forward to when our rival last night can add Troisi and what otherquality players they sign to bring in

Reality is there ain't that much to be excited by this season. Same shit different year.

We have a manager and CEO and owner who are actively doing nothing to change this either.


Reality is we were not good enough last season and we have done little to address this short coming this season


Another year of failure coming for the good people of Newy

Yet some of you people are grinning away at the future as we are being led to the gallows to meet our fate.

FMD

It's been 1 game and you're writing the season off before it's even begun. That's your decision.

Maybe some of us want to try and look for something within our football that isn't all about what people are doing wrong, how players have ****ed up, how players are shit until it brings them down to a level where they feel so small and have no confidence it inhibits their ability to perform, thus giving more ammo to call them shit and ****ed up.

I'm not reading people on here that are all sunshine and lollipops about the performance. We lost at the end of the day and I'm pissed off we are out of the cup again. But some are choosing to identify both positives and negatives based on our opinion.

Only time will tell if this is going to be "another year of failure" but I'm sure as hell going to do my best to contribute from the stand by creating an atmosphere to make sure that it isn't.

I guess as well, some of us are just grateful we have a club we can support at all.

[Jeterpool]

The winner of the FFA cup should qualify for ACL.

100%. That will change club's approaches to it.

This should happen once the "Pot A, Pot B" draw is removed to give an NPL team an easy run through.

[halo se7en]

I don't understand the need to shoot down the club because of one loss. As far as I can tell, most a-league clubs have had similar preparation to us, which is understandable as the season is 2 months away.

We finally have an owner and the chance of stability is as good as its ever been. It won't happen overnight. Miller can't discard the entire squad in the off-season and sign 23 new blokes. From what I've seen so far, he's made some good decisions. Carney leaving, to be replaced by Ugar & Nordstrand resulted in a much improved second half of the season. Brown looks a quality import, and Nabbout showed more the other night than I expected.

If Lee wants us to succeed in Asia, give him time to make the changes necessary to make it happen. It's not simply signing a few marquees and it will happen. We've complained so often about the club admin being a shambles - give him time to rebuild it - and give the new guys behind the scenes time to implement whatever it is that will make the club run better.

The impatience on here is astounding sometimes, and unfortunately some people are too blinkered to look past the fact that Lee, McKinna and Miller are not responsible for the rubbish and mismanagement that was dished up over the last 6-8 years.

[GazFish35]

you cant run before you can walk.

and we've been struggling to even roll over let alone sit up or crawl.

[Wilso8948]

I think it's ironic people calling for patience after how ever many years of no finals football.

[R Ramjet]

1. Miller hates making subs
2.We need a striker
3. Mullen is our worst player (why not give Jackson a go)
4.BK is not a No1 keeper
5.How many goals will we concede with BK, Mullen at the back and Boogard and Kanta getting their regular red cards through the season ?
6. Midfield is a positive for us this season

[halo se7en]

I think it's ironic people calling for patience after how ever many years of no finals football.

Did you read the part where I said Miller, Lee and McKinna had nothing to do with making this club a basketcase? Yet you want them to perform miracles.

The irony is the constant call for stability, and people thinking stability is created overnight.

[Wilso8948]

Did you read the part where I said Miller, Lee and McKinna had nothing to do with making this club a basketcase? Yet you want them to perform miracles.

The irony is the constant call for stability, and people thinking stability is created overnight.

Did you read the part where I referenced you? Or did you jump the gun? I'm not siding with anyone. There has just been numerous calls for calm and patience from others then yourself.

[plague]

1. Miller hates making subs
2.We need a striker
3. Mullen is our worst player (why not give Jackson a go)
4.BK is not a No1 keeper
5.How many goals will we concede with BK, Mullen at the back and Boogard and Kanta getting their regular red cards through the season ?
6. Midfield is a positive for us this season

I love how from points 1-5 you were just bashing us over the head with an iron bar then point 6 you were like "here's 2 Nurofen go have a lie down".

[RAM]

Big clubs become big because they develop a winning mentality. Every comp they enter they want to win. The Jets are participating hoping for best outcome.

x2

[borat]

Big clubs become big because they develop a winning mentality. Every comp they enter they want to win. The Jets are participating hoping for best outcome.

Big clubs have the resources to win every comp, and they say they want to, but when Liverpool and Man Utd roll out reserve teams for League Cup fixtures then they are talking it about as seriously as we take the FFA cup, i.e., they really don't care if they lose or not.

[lquiquer]

Big clubs have the resources to win every comp, and they say they want to, but when Liverpool and Man Utd roll out reserve teams for League Cup fixtures then they are talking it about as seriously as we take the FFA cup, i.e., they really don't care if they lose or not.

Disagree with respect..... Big clubs still expect their reserve players to win every game, even league cup. If they don't perform and challenge for first team football they make way for someone else to take their spot the following season.

[lquiquer]

you cant run before you can walk.


I feel like we walking backward. That game on Wednesday was the façade of the season to come. It was a must win game in my opinion (Not a luxury or a bonus game). I'm sick of the battlers attitude the club and the region embrace, the attitude that we are the poor club no one cares about, no one likes (FFA / Refs...) and we have to do it the hard way (Well we don't deserve to play at 7.30 on Saturday night to start with). I say no to that attitude. To start with we have to change mentalities and start to treat the club like the Star (Not the players). Example of the way it has been done for years: We sign a player and in the media, social media the Jets and the Herald behave like we signed a super star player (Hometown hero coming back, Overseas superstar signs for Jets....etc).....Let's be real we have never sign a Superstar in 11 years. We have to adopt a smarter attitude where players are put in a position that if they don't perform / win they out, where management stop saying: We did good there and there and there but ......we lost. Instead let's be firm and say: we lost because we were not good enough and we have to work harder on all aspects of the game (Including mentally). We have to not be afraid to drop the so called Stars if they don't perform....When a player sign with the club he has to know that if he doesn't perform he won't be playing. We have to adopt a winning mentality, every game is a must win attitude.....and loosing is not acceptable.

[halo se7en]

I feel like we walking backward. That game on Wednesday was the façade of the season to come. It was a must win game in my opinion (Not a luxury or a bonus game). I'm sick of the battlers attitude the club and the region embrace, the attitude that we are the poor club no one cares about, no one likes (FFA / Refs...) and we have to do it the hard way (Well we don't deserve to play at 7.30 on Saturday night to start with). I say no to that attitude. To start with we have to change mentalities and start to treat the club like the Star (Not the players). Example of the way it has been done for years: We sign a player and in the media, social media the Jets and the Herald behave like we signed a super star player (Hometown hero coming back, Overseas superstar signs for Jets....etc).....Let's be real we have never sign a Superstar in 11 years. We have to adopt a smarter attitude where players are put in a position that if they don't perform / win they out, where management stop saying: We did good there and there and there but ......we lost. Instead let's be firm and say: we lost because we were not good enough and we have to work harder on all aspects of the game (Including mentally). We have to not be afraid to drop the so called Stars if they don't perform....When a player sign with the club he has to know that if he doesn't perform he won't be playing. We have to adopt a winning mentality, every game is a must win attitude.....and loosing is not acceptable.

So because the team lost, you want management to be "smart" by kicking them all out?

We've never signed a superstar in 11 years, yet we shouldn't be afraid to 'drop the so called Stars if they don't perform'.

Wow, what a useless excuse for a rant about absolutely nothing. Whoever posted that Billy Madison quote the other day... it would be much more apt in response to the post above.

[RAM]

Big clubs have the resources to win every comp, and they say they want to, but when Liverpool and Man Utd roll out reserve teams for League Cup fixtures then they are talking it about as seriously as we take the FFA cup, i.e., they really don't care if they lose or not.

errr, this wasn't some mid-week match during the season.

Its not like we had to field a second string team, FFS its the ONLY comp on at the moment

[RAM]

i feel like we walking backward. That game on wednesday was the façade of the season to come. It was a must win game in my opinion (not a luxury or a bonus game). I'm sick of the battlers attitude the club and the region embrace, the attitude that we are the poor club no one cares about, no one likes (ffa / refs...) and we have to do it the hard way (well we don't deserve to play at 7.30 on saturday night to start with). I say no to that attitude. To start with we have to change mentalities and start to treat the club like the star (not the players). Example of the way it has been done for years: We sign a player and in the media, social media the jets and the herald behave like we signed a super star player (hometown hero coming back, overseas superstar signs for jets....etc).....let's be real we have never sign a superstar in 11 years. We have to adopt a smarter attitude where players are put in a position that if they don't perform / win they out, where management stop saying: We did good there and there and there but ......we lost. Instead let's be firm and say: We lost because we were not good enough and we have to work harder on all aspects of the game (including mentally). We have to not be afraid to drop the so called stars if they don't perform....when a player sign with the club he has to know that if he doesn't perform he won't be playing. We have to adopt a winning mentality, every game is a must win attitude.....and loosing is not acceptable.

heskey b*tch!

[parksey]

I don't know why you are all so upset. The FFA Cup is a candy arse bit of flotsam on the football calendar. Anyone with an ounce of football intelligence knows it's a waste of time and money. The Jets are far better off losing and getting out of it. That way they can't get more TV exposure for themselves or their sponsors, show the nation they are worthy of increased sponsorship, use success in such a competition to attract players or win any prize money or silverware. It frees them of the concerns of fitting in bus trips to Bluetongue for trial games.

Move on all of you. The FFA cup is waste. The club knows it and has proven it with what many think is defeat every year. The reality is that failure is success!!

:trolls:

The Cup is exactly the sort of competition we should be focusing on. We have no chance of winning the league and probably are a 50/50 chance of making the finals at this point.

Having a cup run would be a boost to long-suffering fans and a shot of confidence to the players. Thinking this competition is just a preseason hit out is not only wrong it's showing a lack of ambition.

In 5 or 10 years this tournament will be one of the trophies clubs most want to win and it's going to have flow on effects for local football clubs.

[MFKS]

I don't understand the need to shoot down the club because of one loss. As far as I can tell, most a-league clubs have had similar preparation to us, which is understandable as the season is 2 months away.

We finally have an owner and the chance of stability is as good as its ever been. It won't happen overnight. Miller can't discard the entire squad in the off-season and sign 23 new blokes. From what I've seen so far, he's made some good decisions. Carney leaving, to be replaced by Ugar & Nordstrand resulted in a much improved second half of the season. Brown looks a quality import, and Nabbout showed more the other night than I expected.

If Lee wants us to succeed in Asia, give him time to make the changes necessary to make it happen. It's not simply signing a few marquees and it will happen. We've complained so often about the club admin being a shambles - give him time to rebuild it - and give the new guys behind the scenes time to implement whatever it is that will make the club run better.

The impatience on here is astounding sometimes, and unfortunately some people are too blinkered to look past the fact that Lee, McKinna and Miller are not responsible for the rubbish and mismanagement that was dished up over the last 6-8 years.

Your wrong in your assessment that the season starts in two months time.

Our season started with our first competitive game which was Wednesday night.

A trophy is available for the FFA Cup.

Our club should be doing everything possible to prepare correctly and maximise success in this competition.Anything less is selling their fans sponsors etc short

There is no way we gave 100% to this competition and you wish to defend those who have actually failed us all

[halo se7en]

Your wrong in your assessment that the season starts in two months time.

Our season started with our first competitive game which was Wednesday night.

A trophy is available for the FFA Cup.

Our club should be doing everything possible to prepare correctly and maximise success in this competition.Anything less is selling their fans sponsors etc short

There is no way we gave 100% to this competition and you wish to defend those who have actually failed us all

Like all the other a-league clubs have done?

[MFKS]

5
Like all the other a-league clubs have done?
Yep one game of preparation against the Gypos playing shirts and skins??

Is that what you call adequate level of preparation in 6 weeks is it??Because there are plenty who would think it is a little lacking in depth

[turbojetfireV8]

so what the whiners and doomsdayers are saying is that we should have, on a substandard pitch in atrocious conditions, risked key players coming back from injury getting re-injured and not being available for even longer, just for a glorified pissant cup encounter??? because that is the only way we would have been able to field a full-strength team, and trying to get the team to peak at the right time for the competition proper which means so much more, may just mean fielding an understrength squad and trying our luck.

face it, preseason is a hard time for us with unwanted injuries every year virtually, we've already lost one new signing for the entire season, I think we may just be awaiting the chinese tour to get us peaking as close to season proper as possible - that to me would make more sense than throwing everything we have at a competition hardly anyone gives a sh*t about or may even know exists... one day when we too can afford a squad the likes of the tards, we may have the luxury to have played international opponents prior to a minor distraction like the FFA cup and be peaking even before season starts, but till then dream on...

[halo se7en]

5
Yep one game of preparation against the Gypos playing shirts and skins??

Is that what you call adequate level of preparation in 6 weeks is it??Because there are plenty who would think it is a little lacking in depth

No it's not adequate for the FFA Cup game. But I don't want the club to focus on the FFA Cup. I want them to focus on the A-league. And for the a-league, I have no problem with their preparation.

How about you answer these questions. You're good at dodging most of them because the answers generally don't fit your narrative.

1) How many A-league teams are further ahead in their preparation than us?
2) Does any other A-league team, or any team around the world for that matter, have their squad finalised and fully prepared 2 months prior to the first competitive game of the league season. Even one month for that matter. Considering the likelihood of signing this Finnish guy, and him coming out here relatively soon, this will be potentially the most settled we've even been going into a season.
3) You claim we could have picked up the phone and called the NPL clubs for extra trials. How do you know we didn't? Why would an NPL club want to play us in the middle of the season? Would you have been content with us playing someone out of finals contention like Weston and putting 10 goals past them akin to a training run, or would have whinged that we didn't organise a match against someone more challenging?
4) If you want Miller to apologise to fans, do you also want Mullen/Hoffman to call a press conference and apologise for the 3rd goal? Do you want Brymora to apologise for flashing a header wide, or Brown to apologise for not scoring a second goal later in the game?
5) You've already made one disparaging remark against our new striker, which proved to be wrong. Are you even going to give him a chance, or are you hoping he fails so you can stick the boot in again?

[lquiquer]

Like all the other a-league clubs have done?

1. Adelaide might not have prepared as good as they should but they got 2 trophies in last 2 years. For Wellington it's tricky because of travel issues. Gypos prepared about as good as us. WSW, City won, Victory we don't need to mention their preparation again. FC, Brisbane and Perth we'll find out next week.
2. F*** comparing with other A-League clubs anyway, after last 5 years of failure, I think the FFA cup should have been used to build momentum for the season and the future
3. FFA cup maybe you don't care about but I do, 5 wins and you get a trophy. If finishing 6th in A-League gives you satisfaction it doesn't for me.

[halo se7en]

1. Adelaide might not have prepared as good as they should but they got 2 trophies in last 2 years. For Wellington it's tricky because of travel issues. Gypos prepared about as good as us. WSW, City won, Victory we don't need to mention their preparation again. FC, Brisbane and Perth we'll find out next week.
2. F*** comparing with other A-League clubs anyway, after last 5 years of failure, I think the FFA cup should have been used to build momentum for the season and the future
3. FFA cup maybe you don't care about but I do, 5 wins and you get a trophy. If finishing 6th in A-League gives you satisfaction it doesn't for me.

Where did I say I was happy with 6th? How does the FFA Cup build momentum? I think you're seriously overestimating the value of this cup. Maybe in 10 years it becomes something prized. As for now it's still a mickey mouse knockout tournament.

Why shouldn't we compare ourselves to other a-league clubs? After all, aren't they the ones consistently doing better than us?

Wellington & travel issues is a load of shit. They aren't the only football team in New Zealand. You're reasoning for Adelaide only supports my argument - as a team that's won trophies recently, they of all clubs should have a decent idea on how to prepare for the upcoming season.

City for all their $$ scraped past an NPL team. And grand finalists WSW were losing 2-0 to underprepared Wellington before finally coming over the top of them. Hardly convincing.

[lquiquer]

Where did I say I was happy with 6th? You didn't but the way we started it's about as good as it will get for us in the HAL and that's the competition you care aboutHow does the FFA Cup build momentum? win does that, you don't want to get in spiral of defeatsWhy shouldn't we compare ourselves to other a-league clubs? let's concentrate on us
Wellington & travel issues is a load of shitDisagree (Cost to start with). They aren't the only football team in New Zealand At that Level pretty much are. You're reasoning for Adelaide only supports my argument - as a team that's won trophies recently, they of all clubs should have a decent idea on how to prepare for the upcoming season yeah and they didn't.

City for all their $$ scraped past an NPL team. And grand finalists WSW were losing 2-0 to underprepared Wellington before finally coming over the top of them. Hardly convincing.Yeah but they won

At the end of the day the argument is that we didn't prepare well enough and that's a shame because I agree with the Member when he said the season started with FFA cup.

[GazFish35]

I wonder what costs are involved in getting another a-league club to play us?
I can't imagine it'd be a cheap exercise, and would take some % of covering their costs to entice them to play us.

I wonder if we had those funds available when we would have been planning, and other teams planning their pre-season calendar?

I wonder if anyone knows these answers or are we all just assuming arranging preseason fixtures against quality opposition is free and easy when no stability in ownership existed during the time that such things would have been being planned.

Hopefully next years preseason tour of china can come before this fixture rather than after it.

[halo se7en]

At the end of the day the argument is that we didn't prepare well enough and that's a shame because I agree with the Member when he said the season started with FFA cup.

How is a defeat two months out from the season a reflection on how we'll go in the league? It's exactly my point that our preparation is based on the league, not the knockout cup. You don't build momentum in a competition that stretches 5 games, with a month in between each game.

People on here are complaining that we didn't organise games against NPL clubs. Wellington could have done likewise with whatever comps they have in NZ a level or two below the a-league. How many a-league teams are playing trials against each other?

None of you naysayers have adequately explained why our preparation should be geared toward early August and not early October. Do you understand the concepts of 'peaking' or 'burning out'? Players in the A-league aren't going to remain at a sustained high level for 9-10 months, which is what you're suggesting if you want them fully prepared for the first FFA Cup fixture, and you want them challenging at the end of the season - that's longer than what EPL clubs expect from the best players in the world.

So they start serious training in June, get 100% prepared ready to go for that match against MV, and then what? Sit around for the next 4 weeks, playing one or two low-tempo training matches before they're fully prepared for the next FFA Cup hitout, or do you want them playing a high intensity game every week, albeit against lowly opposition for two months before the a-league season starts? Reckon they'd burn out by Nov-Dec? And how many injuries do you think we'd see?

It's like you're new to the sport. FMD

[lquiquer]

Maybe FFA should introduce a League Cup. Bottom 4 of A-league play preliminary round, winners join remaining 6 A-League clubs. Then quarter finals, Semi-Finals and Final......all tie to be play played home and away including Final. All games to be played in August / September..... :grin:

[Tommyjet]

I wonder what costs are involved in getting another a-league club to play us?
I can't imagine it'd be a cheap exercise, and would take some % of covering their costs to entice them to play us.

I wonder if we had those funds available when we would have been planning, and other teams planning their pre-season calendar?

I wonder if anyone knows these answers or are we all just assuming arranging preseason fixtures against quality opposition is free and easy when no stability in ownership existed during the time that such things would have been being planned.

Hopefully next years preseason tour of china can come before this fixture rather than after it.

98% of this forum seems based around assuming unfortunately

[plague]

98% of this forum seems based around assuming unfortunately

You guessed that number didn't you.

[MFKS]

No it's not adequate for the FFA Cup game. But I don't want the club to focus on the FFA Cup. I want them to focus on the A-league. And for the a-league, I have no problem with their preparation.

How about you answer these questions. You're good at dodging most of them because the answers generally don't fit your narrative.

1) How many A-league teams are further ahead in their preparation than us?
2) Does any other A-league team, or any team around the world for that matter, have their squad finalised and fully prepared 2 months prior to the first competitive game of the league season. Even one month for that matter. Considering the likelihood of signing this Finnish guy, and him coming out here relatively soon, this will be potentially the most settled we've even been going into a season.
3) You claim we could have picked up the phone and called the NPL clubs for extra trials. How do you know we didn't? Why would an NPL club want to play us in the middle of the season? Would you have been content with us playing someone out of finals contention like Weston and putting 10 goals past them akin to a training run, or would have whinged that we didn't organise a match against someone more challenging?
4) If you want Miller to apologise to fans, do you also want Mullen/Hoffman to call a press conference and apologise for the 3rd goal? Do you want Brymora to apologise for flashing a header wide, or Brown to apologise for not scoring a second goal later in the game?
5) You've already made one disparaging remark against our new striker, which proved to be wrong. Are you even going to give him a chance, or are you hoping he fails so you can stick the boot in again?


Just like to point out in your first sentence you agreed with my point the preparation was inadequate

Well done

As for your questions
1 Quite frankly who gives a fuvk. I don't give a **** about them and what they are doing i give a **** about what we are doing. Let's focus on controlling what we can do only.

On another note it would appear our rival Victory is further advanced than us.

2 I like how you have thrown the words competitive game of the league season into it. Fits the narrative better for you

Let's just use the word competitive match.

Because that was what Wednesday nights affair was. Success in the comp could have seen 3 games before the league started for us. Now we are stuck playing shirts and skins for the next 2 months

You then dribble on about stability as a good thing. Well doesn't getting the squad together early and preparing with all your players doesn't that breed stability and cohesion??

3 So you think a local NBN side would have no interest in playing a trial match against the local HAL side?? A few $$ into the kitty in canteen sales an ticket sales are going to be turned down for skipping a night of training to test their players skills against a superior team??

Yeah bullshit

4 I don't know where I asked Miller to apoligise to the fans but if I did I will happily accept credit
If I didn't then I think your idea to get all these blokes who failed the other night to apoligise is a belter of an idea.

Might teach them to not accept and achieve failure consistently like the club aspires to


5 Disparaging Remark about the alleged striker??

I thought I was putting shit on the club by asking how long he had been unemployed for as signing unemployed nobodies seems like our thing to do.

Congratulations to the club. It appears they have signed an employed nobody


Do I hope the bloke fails?? Well I hope he is the second coming of Griff and leads us to the Top 4 where I am expecting the coaching Messiah Miller to get us to this season. I not expecting any failure from this goal

After all we are preparing to peak for the league and not some Mickey mouse cup competition.
Top 4 shouldn't be too hard to achieve as the HAL sides who advanced in the FFA Cup will be burnt out physically from the extra game or two they will play pre season and will also have faded by April where as the Jets will be in peak condition as they tanked the Mickey mouse cup competition early in the season

We don't achieve the goal of Top 4 then I holding Miller responsible for us failing


So there you go i never dodged your questions

[plague]

I know you aren't cool with the whole homo thing but I'd just like to say how much I love you Member.

Never, ever change.

[halo se7en]

Just like to point out in your first sentence you agreed with my point the preparation was inadequate

Well done

As for your questions
1 Quite frankly who gives a fuvk. I don't give a **** about them and what they are doing i give a **** about what we are doing. Let's focus on controlling what we can do only.

On another note it would appear our rival Victory is further advanced than us.

2 I like how you have thrown the words competitive game of the league season into it. Fits the narrative better for you

Let's just use the word competitive match.

Because that was what Wednesday nights affair was. Success in the comp could have seen 3 games before the league started for us. Now we are stuck playing shirts and skins for the next 2 months

You then dribble on about stability as a good thing. Well doesn't getting the squad together early and preparing with all your players doesn't that breed stability and cohesion??

3 So you think a local NBN side would have no interest in playing a trial match against the local HAL side?? A few $$ into the kitty in canteen sales an ticket sales are going to be turned down for skipping a night of training to test their players skills against a superior team??

Yeah bullshit

4 I don't know where I asked Miller to apoligise to the fans but if I did I will happily accept credit
If I didn't then I think your idea to get all these blokes who failed the other night to apoligise is a belter of an idea.

Might teach them to not accept and achieve failure consistently like the club aspires to


5 Disparaging Remark about the alleged striker??

I thought I was putting shit on the club by asking how long he had been unemployed for as signing unemployed nobodies seems like our thing to do.

Congratulations to the club. It appears they have signed an employed nobody


Do I hope the bloke fails?? Well I hope he is the second coming of Griff and leads us to the Top 4 where I am expecting the coaching Messiah Miller to get us to this season. I not expecting any failure from this goal

After all we are preparing to peak for the league and not some Mickey mouse cup competition.
Top 4 shouldn't be too hard to achieve as the HAL sides who advanced in the FFA Cup will be burnt out physically from the extra game or two they will play pre season and will also have faded by April where as the Jets will be in peak condition as they tanked the Mickey mouse cup competition early in the season

We don't achieve the goal of Top 4 then I holding Miller responsible for us failing


So there you go i never dodged your questions

A little comprehension and you'd realise my point hasn't changed: we're preparing for the league, not the cup. The early cup games are a toss of the coin, it's not because MV were better prepared, and let's not forget the obvious ****ing fact that they remain a superior squad to us.

You said who gives a **** about other a-league clubs prep and then proceed to mention MV's preparation.

Do you think Edgy/Hamilton/Magic want to risk injuries at this stage of the season? Why do so many players pull out of the NPL select side? And as I said, would playing a non-finals bound team be challenging enough? I'd imagine you'd complain about the quality of opposition.

Shirts & skins for two months? Because playing Fern Gully next FFA Cup round would have provided a much more sterner test than any other trial we could possibly muster.

Miller could win the title and you'd still find plenty to whinge about.

[MFKS]

A little comprehension and you'd realise my point hasn't changed: we're preparing for the league, not the cup. The early cup games are a toss of the coin, it's not because MV were better prepared, and let's not forget the obvious ****ing fact that they remain a superior squad to us.

You said who gives a **** about other a-league clubs prep and then proceed to mention MV's preparation.

Do you think Edgy/Hamilton/Magic want to risk injuries at this stage of the season? Why do so many players pull out of the NPL select side? And as I said, would playing a non-finals bound team be challenging enough? I'd imagine you'd complain about the quality of opposition.

Shirts & skins for two months? Because playing Fern Gully next FFA Cup round would have provided a much more sterner test than any other trial we could possibly muster.

Miller could win the title and you'd still find plenty to whinge about.

A little comprehension and you would realise you have agreed with me that the club treat the cup as a joke and their preparation was inadequate.

Judging by the signings we have made, the way they play in the HAL they treat it as a Mickey mouse comp to trying to finish 7th every year

Fern Gully ?? It's Green Gully and judging by the way the NPL sides stuck it to the HAL sides last week I am of the opinion we would get a much better test than playing shirts and skins

Miller won't win the title and you know why??

This club offers up a constant stream of excuses for failure which is then backed up by their own fans who attempt to justify the clubs failings

[The Dunster]

Miller won't win the title and you know why??

This club offers up a constant stream of excuses for failure which is then backed up by their own fans who attempt to justify the clubs failings

100% on the money Member.

[halo se7en]

A little comprehension and you would realise you have agreed with me that the club treat the cup as a joke and their preparation was inadequate.

Judging by the signings we have made, the way they play in the HAL they treat it as a Mickey mouse comp to trying to finish 7th every year

Fern Gully ?? It's Green Gully and judging by the way the NPL sides stuck it to the HAL sides last week I am of the opinion we would get a much better test than playing shirts and skins

Miller won't win the title and you know why??

This club offers up a constant stream of excuses for failure which is then backed up by their own fans who attempt to justify the clubs failings

Yep righto. I give up. I'll bow down with the rest of your disciples. :deadhorse:

[plague]

Fern Gully ?? It's Green Gully


No, its Fern Gully.
Best club in the world, even us Lester fans know it.


You are such a plastic fan Member.

[hawk]

Then there's the stay positive crew who advocate the "just ignore the clubs consistent failings". Keep calling a turd as one M4kS

[GazFish35]

Don't forget the presence of those that accept the economic reality of the situation and adjust their expectations accordingly.

[hawk]

we are great cause we have economic mindfulness. Losers talk. There can be a successful team without big spend.

Maybe Miller can achieve this

[halo se7en]

Don't forget the presence of those that accept the economic reality of the situation and adjust their expectations accordingly.

Don't bother Gaz. If we aren't beating every single team, in every single match, then every single thing about the club is a failure & a joke. Anyone who says differently has rose-coloured specs on, and we should all be slitting our wrists after our entire season crashed and burned last Wednesday night.

[hawk]

Don't bother Gaz. If we aren't beating every single team, in every single match, then every single thing about the club is a failure & a joke. Anyone who says differently has rose-coloured specs on, and we should all be slitting our wrists after our entire season crashed and burned last Wednesday night.

spoken like a true coastie. Whos cutting wrists?

[turbojetfireV8]

I don't know hawk, having to listen to shittalk and the incessant whining of individuals constantly putting our team down here on this forum is worse than any insults a gyppo inbred can come up with, it's like a power struggle of the mentally ill and unstable in here at times, some of us prefer not to get dragged down to that level... :popcorn:

[hawk]

I don't know hawk, having to listen to shittalk and the incessant whining of individuals constantly putting our team down here on this forum is worse than any insults a gyppo inbred can come up with, it's like a power struggle of the mentally ill and unstable in here at times, some of us prefer not to get dragged down to that level... :popcorn:

Maybe so, I feel it's healthy to occasionally admit past failings when trying to improve current management.

Moving on, I still think we have a chance with Miller on a budget. I hope there'll be energy, passion and a well organised side who'll be competitive in every game.

[MFKS]

Yep righto. I give up. I'll bow down with the rest of your disciples. :deadhorse:

Disciples??
What the **** you on about??

I dance to the beat of my own drum.

I think you might need to accept the points I have made as others also agree with what I am saying


Our preparation was poor
The cup should be treated seriously by the club
Excuses for failing need to stop from the club and the fans

It ain't a case of I have a pile of groupie sycophants. It is educated people who agree with the points I raise.

You can keep your head in the sand making excuses for the club and it's failings but I ain't gonna take it lying down like you are

[halo se7en]

Disciples??
What the **** you on about??

I dance to the beat of my own drum.

I think you might need to accept the points I have made as others also agree with what I am saying


Our preparation was poor
The cup should be treated seriously by the club
Excuses for failing need to stop from the club and the fans

It ain't a case of I have a pile of groupie sycophants. It is educated people who agree with the points I raise.

You can keep your head in the sand making excuses for the club and it's failings but I ain't gonna take it lying down like you are

You keep fighting the good fight then. I'm sure the club are grateful for everything you're doing to steer them in the right direction.

[MFKS]

You keep fighting the good fight then. I'm sure the club are grateful for everything you're doing to steer them in the right direction.
The club would struggle to organise a piss up in a brewery.

Nothing changing anytime soon either.

Give us another year of mediocrity under Millertime and the Gypo and the natives will again be restless


When you feel the need to come join us in reality wave the white flag nice and high please

[plague]

Actually aside from guessing has anyone ever asked the higher ups if there's a specific reason behind our 'style' of preparation?

Not that I ever expect honest answers from the suits but if they come out and say "budgets mean we can't do it" or "no other HAL teams want to play" or "sports science says we should do it this way" then it'd prob be easier for some on here to understand.

[MFKS]

Actually aside from guessing has anyone ever asked the higher ups if there's a specific reason behind our 'style' of preparation?

Not that I ever expect honest answers from the suits but if they come out and say "budgets mean we can't do it" or "no other HAL teams want to play" or "sports science says we should do it this way" then it'd prob be easier for some on here to understand.
Sports science??

FfS we play competitively 28 games a year over a 8 month period.
1 FFA Cup game 27 HAL games.

Being we don't worry about finals ACL or Rd 16 of the Cup etc I am sure elite professional players should be able to cope with this workload

[Jetmaster]

This is the most pathetic thread I think I've read on the foz.

The usual keyboard warriors full of bravado and criticism basically frothing at the mouth with mania.

Furns should round you up on the next podcast with the management team so you can get your points across....face to face.

[hawk]

another wrist slitter. get in

[Tommyjet]

This is the most pathetic thread I think I've read on the foz.

The usual keyboard warriors full of bravado and criticism basically frothing at the mouth with mania.

Furns should round you up on the next podcast with the management team so you can get your points across....face to face.

But..........they wouldn't have their keyboards

[halo se7en]

Sports science??

FfS we play competitively 28 games a year over a 8 month period.
1 FFA Cup game 27 HAL games.

Being we don't worry about finals ACL or Rd 16 of the Cup etc I am sure elite professional players should be able to cope with this workload

So are you saying preparation isn't necessary? After all, they're elite professionals only playing 28 games. What's there to prepare for?



The club would struggle to organise a piss up in a brewery.


And this right here is my biggest problem with your whinging. This constant negativity that you're now spouting toward the club as a whole, despite the recent change in ownership. The club has been a ****ing shambles in the past, I don't bury my head in the sand to that. But what has Lee done wrong in the 5 minutes he's been here? They've got sponsors on board, they've held a fans forum (that you again criticised), they've got their signings done early and with no fuss, compared to all the drawn-out, will he won't he, visa sagas we usually go through. There's been no off-field dramas. But because they haven't played an extra game or two to your liking, suddenly the club is still a basketcase and everything else they've done should be ignored?

McKinna and Miller have both come out several times in the last month or two and clearly stated they aren't going down the route of marquee this season and that it will take some time before Lee decides to open the chequebook. That's his prerogative and as fans we should accept that - if he was driving the club into a hole aka Tinkler, then yeah we should be upset. But give the guy the benefit of the doubt. He's already stated he wants to reach the ACL, so let him do it. If you think this happens overnight, that's your problem. And don't say we've been waiting 8yrs or whatever, because he's not responsible for the previous shit we've endured.

Miller is still working with a team that is not completely of his choosing. Boogaard/Mullen/Kanta are our primary CB options, all of whom were here pre-Miller. As was BK, Cooper, Pav, and Brennan, all of whom I'd replace. If Lee and Miller are choosing to see out their contracts and replace them next year, then so be it. Do we want to be a club that breaks contracts and kicks out players? Pretty sure that sort of attitude is one of many reasons our club was considered a basketcase. We had a reserve goalkeeper on a stupidly high wage for that position and Miller again came out and said he'd rather use BK and save the money for an outfield player. Everything he's trying to do in this club has been totally transparent. The way he's building the team is clear as day. He has a clear plan in mind and he's building it one by one.

I'm not saying Miller is perfect but he's a mile better than the previous "managers" we've had to put up with.

[plague]

Sports science??

FfS we play competitively 28 games a year over a 8 month period.
1 FFA Cup game 27 HAL games.

Being we don't worry about finals ACL or Rd 16 of the Cup etc I am sure elite professional players should be able to cope with this workload

except i was asking someone with actual knowledge on the subject to answer.
which, yanno, you aren't.

[hawk]

except i was asking someone with actual knowledge on the subject to answer.
which, yanno, you aren't.

Oh I see, You want actual knowledge? No cvnt on here really knows, it's all guess work, even those with long posts or in supposed important positions.

oh the foz pretending to be all knowing :rof:

[plague]

Oh I see, You want actual knowledge? No cvnt on here really knows, it's all guess work, even those with long posts or in supposed important positions.

oh the foz pretending to be all knowing :rof:

i just want someone to ask Middleby at one of these community engagement love ins etc.
Horses mouth and all that.

The only real knowledge on the foz is in the Katy v Zooey thread, every knows that.

[GazFish35]

Actually aside from guessing has anyone ever asked the higher ups if there's a specific reason behind our 'style' of preparation?

Not that I ever expect honest answers from the suits but if they come out and say "budgets mean we can't do it" or "no other HAL teams want to play" or "sports science says we should do it this way" then it'd prob be easier for some on here to understand.

It was asked at the last sub-committee.
I asked them about playing the Mariners and cheapening the derby.

It's about budgets, and matching our schedule with other clubs.

[furns]

So are you saying preparation isn't necessary? After all, they're elite professionals only playing 28 games. What's there to prepare for?



And this right here is my biggest problem with your whinging. This constant negativity that you're now spouting toward the club as a whole, despite the recent change in ownership. The club has been a ****ing shambles in the past, I don't bury my head in the sand to that. But what has Lee done wrong in the 5 minutes he's been here? They've got sponsors on board, they've held a fans forum (that you again criticised), they've got their signings done early and with no fuss, compared to all the drawn-out, will he won't he, visa sagas we usually go through. There's been no off-field dramas. But because they haven't played an extra game or two to your liking, suddenly the club is still a basketcase and everything else they've done should be ignored?

McKinna and Miller have both come out several times in the last month or two and clearly stated they aren't going down the route of marquee this season and that it will take some time before Lee decides to open the chequebook. That's his prerogative and as fans we should accept that - if he was driving the club into a hole aka Tinkler, then yeah we should be upset. But give the guy the benefit of the doubt. He's already stated he wants to reach the ACL, so let him do it. If you think this happens overnight, that's your problem. And don't say we've been waiting 8yrs or whatever, because he's not responsible for the previous shit we've endured.

Miller is still working with a team that is not completely of his choosing. Boogaard/Mullen/Kanta are our primary CB options, all of whom were here pre-Miller. As was BK, Cooper, Pav, and Brennan, all of whom I'd replace. If Lee and Miller are choosing to see out their contracts and replace them next year, then so be it. Do we want to be a club that breaks contracts and kicks out players? Pretty sure that sort of attitude is one of many reasons our club was considered a basketcase. We had a reserve goalkeeper on a stupidly high wage for that position and Miller again came out and said he'd rather use BK and save the money for an outfield player. Everything he's trying to do in this club has been totally transparent. The way he's building the team is clear as day. He has a clear plan in mind and he's building it one by one.

I'm not saying Miller is perfect but he's a mile better than the previous "managers" we've had to put up with.
Reasoned viewpoints and discussion.
You are on the wrong foz mate.

[halo se7en]

Reasoned viewpoints and discussion.
You are on the wrong foz mate.

I'm starting to realise that.

[MFKS]

So are you saying preparation isn't necessary? After all, they're elite professionals only playing 28 games. What's there to prepare for?



And this right here is my biggest problem with your whinging. This constant negativity that you're now spouting toward the club as a whole, despite the recent change in ownership. The club has been a ****ing shambles in the past, I don't bury my head in the sand to that. But what has Lee done wrong in the 5 minutes he's been here? They've got sponsors on board, they've held a fans forum (that you again criticised), they've got their signings done early and with no fuss, compared to all the drawn-out, will he won't he, visa sagas we usually go through. There's been no off-field dramas. But because they haven't played an extra game or two to your liking, suddenly the club is still a basketcase and everything else they've done should be ignored?

McKinna and Miller have both come out several times in the last month or two and clearly stated they aren't going down the route of marquee this season and that it will take some time before Lee decides to open the chequebook. That's his prerogative and as fans we should accept that - if he was driving the club into a hole aka Tinkler, then yeah we should be upset. But give the guy the benefit of the doubt. He's already stated he wants to reach the ACL, so let him do it. If you think this happens overnight, that's your problem. And don't say we've been waiting 8yrs or whatever, because he's not responsible for the previous shit we've endured.

Miller is still working with a team that is not completely of his choosing. Boogaard/Mullen/Kanta are our primary CB options, all of whom were here pre-Miller. As was BK, Cooper, Pav, and Brennan, all of whom I'd replace. If Lee and Miller are choosing to see out their contracts and replace them next year, then so be it. Do we want to be a club that breaks contracts and kicks out players? Pretty sure that sort of attitude is one of many reasons our club was considered a basketcase. We had a reserve goalkeeper on a stupidly high wage for that position and Miller again came out and said he'd rather use BK and save the money for an outfield player. Everything he's trying to do in this club has been totally transparent. The way he's building the team is clear as day. He has a clear plan in mind and he's building it one by one.

I'm not saying Miller is perfect but he's a mile better than the previous "managers" we've had to put up with.

Nice Rant

Couple of points I will bring up

Kantarovski was given a new contract by Miller so don't go claiming him as a legacy of the past Miller has inherited. Miller has chosen to keep employing him

15 of the 21 players in the squad have by my counts been signed by Miller or given a new deal

Morton
Stevie U
Jackson
Kantarovski
Hoffman
Cowburn
Hoole
Nabbout
Alessi
Brown
Vujica
Clut
Duncan
Haliti
Poljak


That is nearly 75%of the squad he has personally responsible for them being here. So cut the bullshit that he inherited this squad. It is now more or less his


Seeing as your quite happy blowing smoke up the new regime. Enlighten us as to what they have done since coming in??

Signed 1 nobody in Nabbout
Held a fan Forum
Appointed a Gypo
Had a junket in China

Now tell me about all these sponsorships they have brought in, all these positive changes that have been initiated??

All I am seeing is the FFA were running us on the smell of an oily rag. Lee has come in and nothing has changed.
Same shit just someone new picking up the bill

[GazFish35]

Member - serious question.

Do suffer from PE and don't realise it?

Things take time.



lee's only been paying the bills for a few weeks.
The place has been a basket case for nearly a decade.


Tinkler came in and threw cash at impressing people getting beckham in town and signing Culina....

I'd rather Lee's more considered approach.

He's focussing on building the brand in china so a Chinese sponsor comes on board and throws cash at the club, giving him more coin to spend where it matters, on the pitch, in the back room staff and facilities, player rehab, scouting, playing decent pre season games, and on jets shaped hats.

[halo se7en]

Nice Rant

Couple of points I will bring up

Kantarovski was given a new contract by Miller so don't go claiming him as a legacy of the past Miller has inherited. Miller has chosen to keep employing him

15 of the 21 players in the squad have by my counts been signed by Miller or given a new deal

Morton
Stevie U
Jackson
Kantarovski
Hoffman
Cowburn
Hoole
Nabbout
Alessi
Brown
Vujica
Clut
Duncan
Haliti
Poljak


That is nearly 75%of the squad he has personally responsible for them being here. So cut the bullshit that he inherited this squad. It is now more or less his


Seeing as your quite happy blowing smoke up the new regime. Enlighten us as to what they have done since coming in??

Signed 1 nobody in Nabbout
Held a fan Forum
Appointed a Gypo
Had a junket in China

Now tell me about all these sponsorships they have brought in, all these positive changes that have been initiated??

All I am seeing is the FFA were running us on the smell of an oily rag. Lee has come in and nothing has changed.
Same shit just someone new picking up the bill

I didn't say he inherited this squad. I said it's still not completely of his choosing. And 6 players you don't believe in is significant when you have a small squad. My bad on Kanta but ultimately our starting CB pairing is still not of Miller's choosing, and probably getting paid too much to be benchwarming.

This is boring and we're going around in circles. You can continue to bash the club at every turn, and I'll continue to 'bury my hand in the sand' and likely get more enjoyment out of parts of this season than you ever will.

[turbojetfireV8]

if the Jets can impress in China and draw media attention to themselves and Mr Lee when they tour there, I would be very surprised if our new owner doesn't loosen the purse strings a bit more next season in response. a bit of encouragement from a few good results over there and Mr Lee may be convinced the investment is worth the coin, I wouldn't be surprised if we have a proper dig over there, especially if key players are finally match ready

[hawk]

if the Jets can impress in China and draw media attention to themselves and Mr Lee when they tour there, I would be very surprised if our new owner doesn't loosen the purse strings a bit more next season in response. a bit of encouragement from a few good results over there and Mr Lee may be convinced the investment is worth the coin, I wouldn't be surprised if we have a proper dig over there, especially if key players are finally match ready

hope so

[plague]

Member - serious question.

Do suffer from


Yes.
The answer is yes.
The answer is always yes.

[Bon]

This is the most pathetic thread I think I've read on the foz.

The usual keyboard warriors full of bravado and criticism basically frothing at the mouth with mania.

This...
I don't even bother reading the negativity anymore.. Just skim through looking for pictures of hawk's models..

[belchardo]

This...
I don't even bother reading the negativity anymore.. Just skim through looking for pictures of hawk's models..

they're in the tennis thread aren't they? I only come on here to check if it has a new post.

[borat]

Sports science??

FfS we play competitively 28 games a year over a 8 month period.
1 FFA Cup game 27 HAL games.

Being we don't worry about finals ACL or Rd 16 of the Cup etc I am sure elite professional players should be able to cope with this workload
Righto calling you out on this one.

It's nothing to do with how often they play during the season and all to do with disrupting a 8 week preparation designed to peak the players for Rd 1. I would bet their was no adjustment or taper for this game as in it was just a prep game. At this stage of the preseason they probably played with heavy legs too.

This debate is quite a silly one as people don't seem to want to face up to the truth. The FFA cup just isn't important, particularly a RD 1 match 6 weeks before the start of the season. It just isn't no matter how many want to wish and hope. If you get through Rd 1 then you start to take it more seriously as you progress and get closer to the HAL proper when players are fit. Rd 1 is just a pre season friendly and always will be......because it's in preseason.

The capital city teams SFC and Victory have the advantage of playing in high profile friendlies. And please don't pretend these are staged as prep for the FFA cup.

At the end of the day preparing for Rd 1 is far more important at this stage. It makes zero sense to get the team training 3 months before the start of the HAL for a 1 off game, because by seasons end the team will be stale. And that's nothing to do with fitness and all to do with motivation and psychology.

You look at how European teams do it. Their preseason is all of 4-6 weeks and they go on mid season training camps to freshen up and refocus. You can be certain their training program is broken into defined blocks with team goals and rewards. All to get the players completely focussed and up for the task.

There is a lot more to it than people think

[lquiquer]

11 pages on the foz for a NOT important game (Apparently), that's pretty good....
Well Victory thought it was an important game ....

[lquiquer]

There is a lot more to it than people think

Maybe there is a lot less to it than people think.....
FFS, they play 30ish games and train 8 hours a week!!!!

[borat]

11 pages on the foz for a NOT important game (Apparently), that's pretty good....
Well Victory thought it was an important game ....

By not signing their key players before the match and playing their first team in 90 minutes a few days earlier and copping injuries. Yup the Victory planned their entire pre-season around this one fixture.

You are dreaming. Just because we lost doesn't mean the opposition took it any more seriously than we did

[lquiquer]

By not signing their key players before the match and playing their first team in 90 minutes a few days earlier and copping injuries. Yup the Victory planned their entire pre-season around this one fixture.

You are dreaming. Just because we lost doesn't mean the opposition took it any more seriously than we did

He didn't play his first team for 90 minutes, go back and look at reports in the press or social media, he raved about the youngsters.

[borat]

He didn't play his first team for 90 minutes, go back and look at reports in the press or social media, he raved about the youngsters.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/five-things-what-we-learned-from-melbourne-victorys-icc-win-over-atletico-madrid/news-story/da4ba553581c31ff5dda6b237b356707


MELBOURNE VICTORY didn’t hold back against Atletico Madrid. They played close to their best starting team despite an upcoming FFA Cup clash with Newcastle on Wednesday

[borat]

Seems like you have let "Cup Magic" go to your head. If the reigning title holders gave a toss about reclaiming their trophy they would never have scheduled a game 3 days before hand.

[lquiquer]

"Melbourne Victory’s youngsters weren’t just impressive against Atletico Madrid, they arguably put in better performances than those in the starting XI."
From same article you quoted.....

[borat]

"Melbourne Victory’s youngsters weren’t just impressive against Atletico Madrid, they arguably put in better performances than those in the starting XI."
From same article you quoted.....

And you seems to be missing the "close to their best starting team" part. Unless you think its normal to play your first 11 some 3 days out before your "key fixture"? And as I said, if this game was so important they would have not played any of their first 11 now would they.

Listen to the interviews with the players after the game. They all go something like "it was disappointing but there were plenty of positives"......doesn't sound like they were particularly gutted by losing now.

[edit- but yes they did not play 90mins as I said, doesn't change how they approached the game]

[lquiquer]

Seems like you have let "Cup Magic" go to your head. If the reigning title holders gave a toss about reclaiming their trophy they would never have scheduled a game 3 days before hand.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/ffa-cup/melbourne-victory-coach-kevin-muscat-rails-against-fixture-logjam/news-story/91c159412abfab9ba7f34e75bc8ffe39
"Victory coach Kevin Muscat is fuming that the first game of his side’s FFA Cup defence has been scheduled for three days after its glamour friendly against Atletico Madrid in Geelong."

[borat]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/ffa-cup/melbourne-victory-coach-kevin-muscat-rails-against-fixture-logjam/news-story/91c159412abfab9ba7f34e75bc8ffe39
"Victory coach Kevin Muscat is fuming that the first game of his side’s FFA Cup defence has been scheduled for three days after its glamour friendly against Atletico Madrid in Geelong."

What else do you expect him to say? "I am fuming.........but still going to play my first team". Actions speak louder than words

[MFKS]

Righto calling you out on this one.

It's nothing to do with how often they play during the season and all to do with disrupting a 8 week preparation designed to peak the players for Rd 1. I would bet their was no adjustment or taper for this game as in it was just a prep game. At this stage of the preseason they probably played with heavy legs too.

This debate is quite a silly one as people don't seem to want to face up to the truth. The FFA cup just isn't important, particularly a RD 1 match 6 weeks before the start of the season. It just isn't no matter how many want to wish and hope. If you get through Rd 1 then you start to take it more seriously as you progress and get closer to the HAL proper when players are fit. Rd 1 is just a pre season friendly and always will be......because it's in preseason.

The capital city teams SFC and Victory have the advantage of playing in high profile friendlies. And please don't pretend these are staged as prep for the FFA cup.

At the end of the day preparing for Rd 1 is far more important at this stage. It makes zero sense to get the team training 3 months before the start of the HAL for a 1 off game, because by seasons end the team will be stale. And that's nothing to do with fitness and all to do with motivation and psychology.

You look at how European teams do it. Their preseason is all of 4-6 weeks and they go on mid season training camps to freshen up and refocus. You can be certain their training program is broken into defined blocks with team goals and rewards. All to get the players completely focussed and up for the task.

There is a lot more to it than people think

Ok so it all geared to peaking for Rd 1

So I can safely put my life savings on these ****ers to win Rd1??

What about Rd 2 we peaking for that or we putting all our eggs in one basket to win Rd 1??

Our training in should be tapered to prepare for all games at peak

Having nothing on for the next 2 months should have us easily in a position to be prepared for last week's game and no burnt out
It should also be easy to get back on the wagon after the game.

If the club can't get a side up for a game with a 2 month window god help us when they have to get blokes up every weekend when the season starts.

Once again a piss weak excuse offered up


I can accept the truth the club couldn't give a flying **** about the FFA Cup and treat it with a half arsed approach
I just ain't letting them get away with it.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

I can accept the truth the club couldn't give a flying **** about the FFA Cup and treat it with a half arsed approach
I just ain't letting them get away with it.

Interesting choice of words.

As far as I can see, you don't accept f&%k all this club does, except maybe f#@k up.
If its all so f%#king dreary why not go support, i don't know, The Mariners. They seem to have it pretty good. Or maybe Brisbane. Or Wellington. Their clubs are all run perfectly fine right now.

[GazFish35]

I just ain't letting them get away with it.

Sweet.
So what are you doing to make sure they don't get away with it?

Bangining on and on and on about it on here didn't make much difference last season.
I hope you plan to change your tact in this regard or you might end up be considered ineffective at organising excessive alcohol consumption and beer production facility.

[borat]

Ok so it all geared to peaking for Rd 1

So I can safely put my life savings on these ****ers to win Rd1??

What about Rd 2 we peaking for that or we putting all our eggs in one basket to win Rd 1??

Our training in should be tapered to prepare for all games at peak

Having nothing on for the next 2 months should have us easily in a position to be prepared for last week's game and no burnt out
It should also be easy to get back on the wagon after the game.

If the club can't get a side up for a game with a 2 month window god help us when they have to get blokes up every weekend when the season starts.

Once again a piss weak excuse offered up


I can accept the truth the club couldn't give a flying **** about the FFA Cup and treat it with a half arsed approach
I just ain't letting them get away with it.
Nothing to do with burn out....but I can see this topic is easily lost on you and I can't be explaining to someone who clearly is just looking to argue with anyone and everything.

Good luck with that

[Jetmaster]

I don't read half the Members posts anymore, which is a shame as his travel guide in 2014 was hall of fame stuff.

Now it is the same old vitriolic crap with nothing constructive offered. It isn't even funny anymore and I think the Member has "jumped the shark".

As I alluded to before, if he has points to make to the club....

* Be interviewed on the Jetstream podcast with the CEO or similar present
* Arrange Jimmy G to interview him for the Herald
* Attend and speak openly at a fan forum

Walk the walk.......

[The Dunster]

The club is shit, the players are shit, and there is no chance they will make the top six this season or the next.
Learn to love the mediocrity of the club and everything associated with it or support another club.
Tha'ts what being a Jets supporter has become.

As for the MEMBER it's interesting how he has now become the central target for the disgruntled fans rather than the crap roster of players or indeed boring as bat shit coaching / management of the club.

Not saying I completely agree with the MEMBER but at the end of the day he's not the one under performing on the pitch season after season. Nor is he the one parking the bus and still being hammered by cricket scores.

[halo se7en]

The club is shit, the players are shit, and there is no chance they will make the top six this season or the next.
Learn to love the mediocrity of the club and everything associated with it or support another club.
Tha'ts what being a Jets supporter has become.

As for the MEMBER it's interesting how he has now become the central target for the disgruntled fans rather than the crap roster of players or indeed boring as bat shit coaching / management of the club.

Not saying I completely agree with the MEMBER but at the end of the day he's not the one under performing on the pitch season after season. Nor is he the one parking the bus and still being hammered by cricket scores.

Member is the disgruntled fan, not us who are calling him on his BS. The problem is he targets the club and players on here, but does absolutely NOTHING about it. Is he going to take up Jetmaster's offer? Of course not, because it's easier to whinge facelessly on here.

Btw, I didn't realise 3-1 was now considered a cricket score.

[Jeterpool]

This has the potential to rival the GK thread

It's going to be a long 2 months until season kick off....

[The Dunster]

Member is the disgruntled fan, not us who are calling him on his BS. The problem is he targets the club and players on here, but does absolutely NOTHING about it. Is he going to take up Jetmaster's offer? Of course not, because it's easier to whinge facelessly on here.

Btw, I didn't realise 3-1 was now considered a cricket score.

I cannot fathom how anyone could not be a disgruntled fan after the crap this club keeps serving up season after season.
What BS are you calling him on ? The facts are the club doesn't play attractive football, pays overs for mediocre players, has a coach with more excuses than solutions, and yet they still want to charge people to join the abortion.
Faceless ? I don't think so - the member is known to people here outside of the forum.
The Jets have been comprehensively flogged several times with Miller in charge - the Melbourne City game at home being one of the most comical.
The fans are almost rivaling Miller for excuses about this woeful football club.

[MFKS]

Member is the disgruntled fan, not us who are calling him on his BS. The problem is he targets the club and players on here, but does absolutely NOTHING about it. Is he going to take up Jetmaster's offer? Of course not, because it's easier to whinge facelessly on here.

Btw, I didn't realise 3-1 was now considered a cricket score.

As for the offers.

Whenever Jimmy Gardiner feels the need to fill up the Herald with my ramblings i will make myself available for an interview

As for the Podcast I don't run the thing. So if you want to listen to me ramble on ask the blokes who do run it. They know where to find me

As for a Fan Forum. I go I actually listen intently to what they want to talk about. As for getting up and querying them why bother when all you get is politics answers and a pile of excuses???


As for whinging facelessly on here.
You do realise plenty of people know who I am and have met me??

It ain't like I am unlocateable

[Jeterpool]

* Be interviewed on the Jetstream podcast with the CEO or similar present


It took us the best part of 3 months to organise the CEO and coach interview, so this is unlikely to happen. However, Lawrie is very active and open on Twitter so I'd suggest direct some questions to him on there.




As for the Podcast I don't run the thing. So if you want to listen to me ramble on ask the blokes who do run it. They know where to find me


The member know me, Furns and BodyNovo as well. We have asked for contributors on numerous times. I don't know how much more open we can be than to have an open invitation.

[Jeterpool]

Guys, we've been going round and round in circles for a week now at what point to we agree to disagree?

Before it starts to go down that path, remember to play the ball and not the man.

[plague]

Well look I watched Fast and Furious 5 again the other day and everyone said Toretto was crazy for trying to steal that dudes money but he did* and it sounds like there are just as many doubters on here but if Miller is half as smart as Vin Diesel then we'll win.




*spoiler alert.

[plague]

Hey Jeterpool you need someone to do movie reviews on the Podcast? I'm in.

[furns]

Move on and discuss the game ppl, this has gone off the rails spectacularly.
And to echo what Jeterpool said, in an official capacity - play the ball not the man.

[lquiquer]

I don't read half the Members posts anymore, which is a shame as his travel guide in 2014 was hall of fame stuff.

Now it is the same old vitriolic crap with nothing constructive offered. It isn't even funny anymore and I think the Member has "jumped the shark".

As I alluded to before, if he has points to make to the club....

* Be interviewed on the Jetstream podcast with the CEO or similar present
* Arrange Jimmy G to interview him for the Herald
* Attend and speak openly at a fan forum

Walk the walk.......

Can you give us an exemple of being constructive?.... Maybe one of your old
post?.... Just not sure what you mean by constructive

[plague]

Move on and discuss the game ppl

Wait?
There was a game?

[Jeterpool]

Hey Jeterpool you need someone to do movie reviews on the Podcast? I'm in.

Ha ha ha. Depends on the movie. Run that one by furns

[lquiquer]

Ha ha ha. Depends on the movie. Run that one by furns

Tom Foot maybe?

[hawk]

Ha ha ha. Depends on the movie. Run that one by furns

He's not your dad. Take charge man

BTW, is this thread something about a cup match, bahahahaha, off season mayhem

[Jeterpool]

He's not your dad. Take charge man

BTW, is this thread something about a cup match, bahahahaha, off season mayhem

Not way am I being held responsible for plague. Ha!