The Great Wall Tour

[lquiquer]

Game 1
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Duncan
Hoff- mullen- Jackson- Cowburn
Ugar-Brown-Hoole-nabbout
Nords-kokko

BK-Clut-Ma Leilei-Brymora-Carroll-Joice

[Tommyjet]

Anyone heard anything about vujica?

[borat]

This should be the Rd 1 team by Boogs for Jackson

[MFKS]

More importantly how come BK can't get a run??
Alrwady on the outer with Millertime???

[The Dunster]

More importantly how come BK can't get a run??
Alrwady on the outer with Millertime???

If you listened to the podcast the other day Jack Duncan mentioned Birraz leaving the club then said he came here to play first team football. Now that strongly suggests to me that he was told before he even arrived the job was as good as his. Note also, I don't think Duncan even referred to himself and BK competing for the no.1 spot. In fact I don't think he even uttered his name.

BK needs to leave soon and establish himself somewhere soon otherwise He's headed for NPL sooner rather than later. If I was BK I wouldn't even bother trying to prove I was the better keeper I'd just say **** you and leave.

[Couscous]

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Your phone screen is tiny, lquiquer.

[lquiquer]

Your phone screen is tiny, lquiquer.

Yeah I saw that......That's why I typed the line up.....

[Couscous]

Can someone explain the midfield? Surely Ugar's in the middle?

[lquiquer]

Can someone explain the midfield? Surely Ugar's in the middle?

4-1-3-2

[Jetmaster]

If you listened to the podcast the other day Jack Duncan mentioned Birraz leaving the club then said he came here to play first team football. Now that strongly suggests to me that he was told before he even arrived the job was as good as his. Note also, I don't think Duncan even referred to himself and BK competing for the no.1 spot. In fact I don't think he even uttered his name.

BK needs to leave soon and establish himself somewhere soon otherwise He's headed for NPL sooner rather than later. If I was BK I wouldn't even bother trying to prove I was the better keeper I'd just say **** you and leave.

As Arthur used to say in "On The Buses"..."wot alot of rot you do talk".

[borat]

Can someone explain the midfield? Surely Ugar's in the middle?

It's basic 442 with Ugar and Brown in the midfield. Exactly how we should line up

[The Dunster]

As Arthur used to say in "On The Buses"..."wot alot of rot you do talk".

BK seems to be on a hiding to nothing at the Jets and unless Duncan has improved drastically since he was last here Bk should be in front of him.

[lquiquer]

It's basic 442 with Ugar and Brown in the midfield. Exactly how we should line up

I would have thought Ugar in front of defence, Hoole and Nabout on either side of brown at number 10 and 2 up front ....
Basic 4132

[lquiquer]

Lost connection in Whowin .... No final result yet

[lquiquer]

We win we win 3-2

[joel31]

Whowin must be really shit if hoole can score 2

[borat]

I would have thought Ugar in front of defence, Hoole and Nabout on either side of brown at number 10 and 2 up front ....
Basic 4132
I am assuming Brown is playing where Poljak was v Victory. Brown can play 8 or 10. But semantics really. I like seeinig Ugarkovic get forward as well so would rather 2 x 8's.

[rhysd]

Good result, hoole scoring from open play and a win away under the spotlight of the new owner in his homeland.

I think this result may end up, despite being only a friendly, being one of the more important in recent years.

[plague]

We done it!!!!!!

[The Dunster]

Hoole doesn't lack power from the spot does he. Absolutely drilled it.

[380]

Whowin must be really shit if hoole can score 2

Probably in the half time break.

[Grimario]

Goals!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU5IrelcbaY

[GazFish35]

BK looked very slow to react on both those goals. His angles looked a little wrong.

[turbojetfireV8]

Is Kennedy injured and that is why we are persisting with Duncan? If not, phuck JD off and put BK back in goals Miller... :redcard:

[Grimario]

Surely Miller sees him as #1 and is simply giving Duncan a game or two to stake his claim?

[MFKS]

Surely Miller sees him as #1 and is simply giving Duncan a game or two to stake his claim?

Or maybe just maybe Millertime doesn't rate BK like his fanbois do and is putting his best keeper in Duncan on the park??

[plague]

BK was woeful in goals. How Miller thinks he can let 2 in each game and win is a joke.
Get BK out of there and give Duncan a chance.

Meanwhile Biraz kept a clean sheet against West Ham.

[Premy]

I'm confused, who was in goals?

[lquiquer]

I'm confused, who was in goals?

BK he let 2 in.....:confused:

[plague]

I'm confused, who was in goals?

2 goals let in by BK.
Pretty poor play in general too. I didn't see him hit his man from a goal kick all night.

[Premy]

What happened to Duncan? Wasn't he named in the starting XI?

[turbojetfireV8]

2 goals let in by BK.
Pretty poor play in general too. I didn't see him hit his man from a goal kick all night.

so what you're saying is BK should phuck off back to Perth where he came from?

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Thats Duncan in goals. Also first goal was deflected, off Brown I think, thats probably why slow to react.

[MFKS]

Thats Duncan in goals. Also first goal was deflected, off Brown I think, thats probably why slow to react.
Doesn't matter.

BK in goals it is Newcastle WhoLose
JD in goals it is Newcastle WhoWin

Statistics are in

Millertime gets the team sheet right and we will win the league

[plague]

Thats Duncan in goals. Also first goal was deflected, off Brown I think, thats probably why slow to react.

Classic BK apologist.
Always making out like its someone else's fault.

[turbojetfireV8]

JD in goals all year = Perth win, as that's where he will go just as soon as we put in all the time and effort to make a decent keeper out of him - remember, Perth let everyone else develop their players and have no salary cap, some day Birraz will be there too...

[white city]

JD in goals all year = Perth win, as that's where he will go just as soon as we put in all the time and effort to make a decent keeper out of him - remember, Perth let everyone else develop their players and have no salary cap, some day Birraz will be there too...

Can anyone provide an update on how the chinese triallist faired?

[lquiquer]

Can anyone provide an update on how the chinese triallist faired?

all I know is he played about 25 minutes in second half

[Grimario]

Can anyone provide an update on how the chinese triallist faired?

Didn't concede any goals therefore a better GK than BK.

[scarfy96]

2 goals let in by BK.
Pretty poor play in general too. I didn't see him hit his man from a goal kick all night.

Team from match:
http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/di/library/Newcastle_Jets/a6/3c/newcastle-jets-starting-xi-vs-liaoning-whowin-fc_rjrqa1e06p6o1u8ikug9zca4q.jpg

BK has had a face transplant?

[Grimario]

Team from match:
http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/di/library/Newcastle_Jets/a6/3c/newcastle-jets-starting-xi-vs-liaoning-whowin-fc_rjrqa1e06p6o1u8ikug9zca4q.jpg

BK has had a face transplant?

God, people's plaguewindup/sarcasm detector's must be off today.

[scarfy96]

God, people's plaguewindup/sarcasm detector's must be off today.

Yours included it seems.

[Grimario]

Yours included it seems.

Sick burn. Totally got me.

[plague]

Team from match:
http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/di/library/Newcastle_Jets/a6/3c/newcastle-jets-starting-xi-vs-liaoning-whowin-fc_rjrqa1e06p6o1u8ikug9zca4q.jpg

BK has had a face transplant?

Scarfy, you know you gotta read the instructions before pressing play.

[MFKS]

What's the go playing in FFA Cup badged shirts??
They taking the piss trying to wind me up are they ??

[GazFish35]

Kokko went off early?

[leftrightout]

Whowin must be really shit if hoole can score 2

Sums up why our fans are shit!
Someone does well* and instead of going wow he might do well this season and fulfil his potential we automatically mock the other team. I know it's a joke and we haven't been given much to positive about for a while but a local lad scoring a double in a pre-season game in China (not against an NPL team) is something to be positive about.

*Compared to the previous few years

[leftrightout]

Kokko went off early?
Wouldn't surprise me, he only got here last week, then went straight to China. I wouldn't be keen to go overboard when they have 2 other games there in pretty quick time.

[lquiquer]

Kokko went off early?

Got a knock early on was taking off after 20 minutes for precaution. He should be fine.

[lquiquer]

What's the go playing in FFA Cup badged shirts??
They taking the piss trying to wind me up are they ??

haha....only set they got, we can't afford an other set

[plague]

Sums up why our fans are shit!
Someone does well* and instead of going wow he might do well this season and fulfil his potential we automatically mock the other team. I know it's a joke and we haven't been given much to positive about for a while but a local lad scoring a double in a pre-season game in China (not against an NPL team) is something to be positive about.

*Compared to the previous few years

see above.

[turbojetfireV8]

Team from match:
http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/di/library/Newcastle_Jets/a6/3c/newcastle-jets-starting-xi-vs-liaoning-whowin-fc_rjrqa1e06p6o1u8ikug9zca4q.jpg

BK has had a face transplant?

new haircut's shit too...

[turbojetfireV8]

What's the go playing in FFA Cup badged shirts??
They taking the piss trying to wind me up are they ??

we're still playing in the Westfield cup FFS, we made it through to the China round...

[hawk]

Thats Duncan in goals. Also first goal was deflected, off Brown.....

and into the pink? yesssssssssssss

btw who's the blue team in the photo? looks like newyty bottom right, must be Kahibah

[stopper2]

Good sign with Miller having Ugarkovic and Brown in the middle that he is thinking more positively this season. Whether the formation was 4-4-2 or 4-1-3-2 I hope we don't go back to 2 holding or screening mids when the season starts. For years we've been playing mainly with 2 holding mids and yes it was effective in 06/07 and 07/08 but the game has changed since then and you need to make fast, swift transitions in attack getting numbers forward. If you have 2 holding mids screening the back four you are essentially losing a man in attack.

[plague]

Good sign with Miller having Ugarkovic and Brown in the middle that he is thinking more positively this season. Whether the formation was 4-4-2 or 4-1-3-2 I hope we don't go back to 2 holding or screening mids when the season starts. For years we've been playing mainly with 2 holding mids and yes it was effective in 06/07 and 07/08 but the game has changed since then and you need to make fast, swift transitions in attack getting numbers forward. If you have 2 holding mids screening the back four you are essentially losing a man in attack.

i think this sums up most fans' frustration with Miller.
With the Ugabooga man there he finally has someone who can be like Stu and be a positive influence in attack (didnt beard give us that for a few games too for a bit?).

Heres hoping that thats the mindset of the team this year it might do wonders.

[lquiquer]

1-0 after 40min
Brymora
.....Duncan has not conceded yet :brrr:

[hawk]

1-0 after 40min
Brymora
.....Duncan has not conceded yet :brrr:

so drunc

[steve136]

1-1. BK out.

[borat]

Anyone following this on Twitter, there seems to be a crazy amount of in game betting going on for what is a nothing practice match. Is this normal?

[sammydog]

Betting would explain this post from McKinna


1 all after 4 mins in the 2 Ned half. Cowburn came on at half time and then ref put him off for some reason not sent off but unsure why and Eastern scored against 10 men debate now going on at the side of the park

[lquiquer]

We win we win 2-1.... BK concede again FFS!!!!

[turbojetfireV8]

We win we win 2-1.... BK concede again FFS!!!!

they had to cheat by leaving us a man short to get past him though - they must have been p*ssed off JD wasn't in goal, coulda put at least three past him...

[turbojetfireV8]

1319

and I want that training shirt!

[goaliepersempre]

Good sign with Miller having Ugarkovic and Brown in the middle that he is thinking more positively this season. Whether the formation was 4-4-2 or 4-1-3-2 I hope we don't go back to 2 holding or screening mids when the season starts. For years we've been playing mainly with 2 holding mids and yes it was effective in 06/07 and 07/08 but the game has changed since then and you need to make fast, swift transitions in attack getting numbers forward. If you have 2 holding mids screening the back four you are essentially losing a man in attack.

2 Holding mids works really these days if you play with 3 out of the back.

[The Dunster]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrLXTOmUAAAtxWZ.jpg:large

Pretty sure she won't be going on Hawk's yacht this summer.

[The Dunster]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrLRmJuVYAAnMhG.jpg:large

I just don't see a team here that will be playing A-league finals football anytime soon.
The defence looks as piss weak as last season.

[MFKS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrLRmJuVYAAnMhG.jpg:large

I just don't see a team here that will be playing A-league finals football anytime soon.
The defence looks as piss weak as last season.
That's because it is the same blokes who gave Birraz a solid work out every week


Only difference is tis season we don't have him and have Duncan instead.

That and they are all a year older and slower

[plague]

I mean that's 2 poor games in a row by BK.

Can we cut him to open up a squad spot to sign Steve Lustica?

[Jetmaster]

I mean that's 2 poor games in a row by BK.

Can we cut him to open up a squad spot to sign Steve Lustica?

That's JD in a different coloured shirt mate....trick for young players.

[halo se7en]

That's because it is the same blokes who gave Birraz a solid work out every week


Only difference is tis season we don't have him and have Duncan instead.

That and they are all a year older and slower

Your point about the GK I agree, but older and slower defenders?

Boogaard (30)
Hoffman (27)
Mullen (26)
Cowburn (21)
Jackson (21)
Vujica (19)

Boogaard was never the quickest defender, but I can't see him being any slower than last year. The rest of them are young enough to not be losing speed any time soon, and being a year older is probably an advantage for everyone in that list bar the captain. Before you jump on it though, I will agree that our defence as a whole could be improved, and I'm hoping Miller does that when a few contracts run out, but it's definitely no worse than last year (GK aside).

Keep in mind they played a lot of games with Watson in front of them giving up possession more often than I could count.

[MFKS]

Your point about the GK I agree, but older and slower defenders?

Boogaard (30)
Hoffman (27)
Mullen (26)
Cowburn (21)
Jackson (21)
Vujica (19)

Boogaard was never the quickest defender, but I can't see him being any slower than last year. The rest of them are young enough to not be losing speed any time soon, and being a year older is probably an advantage for everyone in that list bar the captain. Before you jump on it though, I will agree that our defence as a whole could be improved, and I'm hoping Miller does that when a few contracts run out, but it's definitely no worse than last year (GK aside).

Keep in mind they played a lot of games with Watson in front of them giving up possession more often than I could count.

No one has seen Vujica yet so unable to comment on him

Cowburn and Mullen are not quick at all and it is noticeable how slow they are when done over by speed.
Boogaard is as you said slow

Hoffman isn't slow but he ain't quick either.

So that's 3 of your 4 first choice back 4 from last year below par on the speed front

The lack of speed in the group leads to problems such as needless free kicks pens cards ad send offs as well as increased shots reigned down on your keeper.

Millertime has made signings in the front 3rd and midfield but I am surprised this area hasn't been significantly strengthened as it is a cornerstone of a successful side.. Our defence last season wasn't exactly the greatest anyway so going in with same same bar Birraz seems rather naive

[Couscous]

Vujica is definitely slowing down. It's well known that slavs age extremely quickly. Not that I'm a racialist: this is just plain, phrenological fact.

[The Dunster]

What Boogaard lacks in speed he makes up for in red cards. Oh wait...

[Roundball Enthusiast]

1319

and I want that training shirt!

Gradients should never be on Football shirts, ask anyone here. Don't be silly.

I'll also take one while you're at the shop.

[halo se7en]

No one has seen Vujica yet so unable to comment on him

Cowburn and Mullen are not quick at all and it is noticeable how slow they are when done over by speed.
Boogaard is as you said slow

Hoffman isn't slow but he ain't quick either.

So that's 3 of your 4 first choice back 4 from last year below par on the speed front

The lack of speed in the group leads to problems such as needless free kicks pens cards ad send offs as well as increased shots reigned down on your keeper.

Millertime has made signings in the front 3rd and midfield but I am surprised this area hasn't been significantly strengthened as it is a cornerstone of a successful side.. Our defence last season wasn't exactly the greatest anyway so going in with same same bar Birraz seems rather naive

I agree with all of that, although my point was more around them not being any worse than last season based on being older or slower.

I'd say Miller is possibly waiting for contracts to run out. Boogaard and Mullen's contracts are too big to be sitting on the bench, and unless other clubs have come knocking on our door (doubtful) they aren't going to leave & give up those $$. Lee shipping out our captain & local lad after sitting in the hot seat for 5 minutes wouldn't have gone down very well.

Did we ever solve that argument on whether paid out players count towards the cap?

[stopper2]

^^^^
Just my 2 cents on the "speed" argument. "Speed" between the ears is more important then any physical speed.
The best defenders are the ones who are not blessed with athleticism (though that does help) but the ones who read the game really well and are one step ahead of their attackers. For example Boogs' bad discipline record is not because he is an overly aggressive player, it's mainly because he gets himself in positions where he has to make a rash split-second decision such as a miss-timed tackle or having to commit a professional foul by shirt-tugging/holding etc.
He can look back on his discretions from last year and hopefully learn from them and be a bit smarter this season but the truth is most defenders (and players in general) either have or don't have this uncanny ability to read the game.

[The Dunster]

^^^^
Just my 2 cents on the "speed" argument. "Speed" between the ears is more important then any physical speed.
The best defenders are the ones who are not blessed with athleticism (though that does help) but the ones who read the game really well and are one step ahead of their attackers. For example Boogs' bad discipline record is not because he is an overly aggressive player, it's mainly because he gets himself in positions where he has to make a rash split-second decision such as a miss-timed tackle or having to commit a professional foul by shirt-tugging/holding etc.
He can look back on his discretions from last year and hopefully learn from them and be a bit smarter this season but the truth is most defenders (and players in general) either have or don't have this uncanny ability to read the game.

You can see the cogs turning in the heads of many Jets players as they decide whether or not to pass, dribble, shoot, or more often than not turn the ball over.
Some coaches think you can get around slow mindedness by increasing athleticism but if the Jets are anything to go by that's clearly not the case.
I find Boogs to be off the mark both mentally and athletically for someone on the type of coin he's on.
He will be a worthwile addition to out team on a relevant wage but to pay him 200k plus is just downright madness.

[plague]

The very handsome Carnavaro won worlds best player being slow but awesome and he then worked out how to regrow hair.

That's what the jets need.

Mascherano is 4'6" and played centre back for best team in cosmos.

Keep the bloody ball = less defending.

[The Dunster]

http://s.libertaddigital.com/fotos/galerias/futbolistas-bigote-vintage/valderrama-cp.jpg


Valderamma was one of the best I can remember when it came to reading a game
When he had the ball it looked like he had forever before anyone came near him.

[turbojetfireV8]

Missed a few chances by the looks of the highlights reel:

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4134715/watch-the-goals-from-jets-second-win-in-china-i-video/?cs=303


https://youtu.be/kWOs4NI8dgs

[plague]

That's JD in a different coloured shirt mate....trick for young players.

nope, i just watched the highlights. def BK letting in those goals.
BK OUT.

[hawk]

So are we gonna enter their comp instead of ours

[Jetmaster]

Can only beat what's in front of you - I'm happy we are actually winning some preseason games for once.

[leftrightout]

Can only beat what's in front of you - I'm happy we are actually winning some preseason games for once.

Its a positive that we aren't complaining about only playing Sydney NPL teams!

[Local Rules]

Missed a few chances by the looks of the highlights reel:

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4134715/watch-the-goals-from-jets-second-win-in-china-i-video/?cs=303


https://youtu.be/kWOs4NI8dgs

Good crowd. At least they can get a feel for what Hunter Stadium could be like if they don't deliver first up.

[turbojetfireV8]

1320

Duncan in goals, already losing 2-1...

[turbojetfireV8]

both free kicks apparently - JD out... :wtf:

[turbojetfireV8]

http://www.nbnnews.com.au/2016/09/02/jets-tour-ledman-hq-as-part-of-china-tour/

Mr Lee replied: "My favourite player? Easy, that is BK, he is great keeper - that other keeper JD is really shit, he go to back of queue thanks..."

[turbojetfireV8]

3 all - JD out FFS, maybe we should trial a Chinese goalkeeper...

[steve136]

both free kicks apparently - JD out... :wtf:

Or as the BK fanboys would say, maybe the defenders should stop giving away free kicks in dangerous positions :whistling:

[plague]

That's now 5 goals BK has let in this tour alone no wonder the stands are empty who the hell wants to watch such garbage.

[turbojetfireV8]

The Hoff restores us 4-3, no thanks to JD... sorry plague, but your lovechild JD is pretty shit...

[borat]

So assuming no one has actually seen these goals that Duncan is supposedly at fault for......

[GazFish35]

Welcome to the discussion Borat.




Glad we're all starting to realize the stupidity of some of the criticism leveled at our keepers.

[turbojetfireV8]

OK, GK trolling payback aside, no Kokko again, not sure whether to be worried he is actually injured or what?

[borat]

OK, GK trolling payback aside, no Kokko again, not sure whether to be worried he is actually injured or what?
He took a knock/injury in the first game. Sounds like they took the cautious approach after that

[Thomas477]

Haven't heard anything about Leilei either

[RAM]

Footage is pretty shit, but one of the FKs was very soft. Are people still wanting JD ahead of BK?

[Tommyjet]

Haven't heard anything about Leilei either

I know miller isnt keen on the chinese idea as we cant afford the quality we need unless using marquee money.
My bet is that leilei hasn't impressed and miller is trying to get lee to scrap the idea for this season.

Then again, they will probably announce leilei's signing in the next couple of days.

[plague]

Are people still wanting JD ahead of BK?

People on here are gonna keep crying while ever Duncan isn't getting a chance and BK keeps letting in goals on this tour.

I don't know what Miller is waiting for the evidence is pretty damning against BK.

[halo se7en]

Take the ****ing goalkeeper debate to the actual GK thread - then the rest of us can avoid it.

[Hunter403]

well we leaked goals against pretty modest opposition. Miller has 5 weeks to fix that or it will get ugly again.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

well we leaked goals against pretty modest opposition. Miller has 5 weeks to fix that or it will get ugly again.

Modest?

Its the fricken C$L.

[Grimario]

Modest?

Its the fricken C$L.

Was it? I thought it was second division opponents and Hong Kong league teams.

[Tommyjet]

Cant remember reading anything of poljak throughout china visit, injured? On the outer?

[halo se7en]

well we leaked goals against pretty modest opposition. Miller has 5 weeks to fix that or it will get ugly again.

Scoreboard said we won. Doesn't matter who the opposition was.

[borat]

Cant remember reading anything of poljak throughout china visit, injured? On the outer?

Poljak is injured, but imo that saved him being dropped

[Tommyjet]

Poljak is injured, but imo that saved him being dropped

Yeah i expect we'll see a fair bit of the ugarkovic/brown combo in the centre thus allowing nordstrand to play off kokko

[RAM]

Take the ****ing goalkeeper debate to the actual GK thread - then the rest of us can avoid it.

Its a legitimate issue, deal with it.

[RAM]

Modest?

Its the fricken C$L.

two were from the Hong Kong league....

[borat]

Its a legitimate issue, deal with it.
If it was a legitimate issue you would be commenting on the actual goals or mistakes made, not the mere fact the ball ended up in the net to push some pathetic argument.

The first goal from Kitchee was unbelievably good and no way could JD have saved it. The 2nd looked worse but very hard to tell what happened from the sideline.

[RAM]

If it was a legitimate issue you would be commenting on the actual goals or mistakes made, not the mere fact the ball ended up in the net to push some pathetic argument.

The first goal from Kitchee was unbelievably good and no way could JD have saved it. The 2nd looked worse but very hard to tell what happened from the sideline.

I did comment on a goal/mistake.

Dumb****

[stopper2]

Yeah i expect we'll see a fair bit of the ugarkovic/brown combo in the centre thus allowing nordstrand to play off kokko

Unless we have injuries/suspensions, can't see Kanta getting much game time this season either.
I think last season was a great opportunity for him to really step up and push himself to the next level but a couple of niggling injuries plus I think 2 suspensions(?) meant that once again he had a disrupted season. Miller chucked him in as a makeshift #10 a couple of times last season, I doubt very much if we will see that happen this year with the decent enough depth we have in that position.

[The Dunster]

Unless we have injuries/suspensions, can't see Kanta getting much game time this season either.
I think last season was a great opportunity for him to really step up and push himself to the next level but a couple of niggling injuries plus I think 2 suspensions(?) meant that once again he had a disrupted season. Miller chucked him in as a makeshift #10 a couple of times last season, I doubt very much if we will see that happen this year with the decent enough depth we have in that position.

Given is utility value though you would think he'd at the very least be on the bench every week. And given the clubs history of injuries over the years the teams depth will no doubt be tested as it always has been.

[The Dunster]

Poljak is injured, but imo that saved him being dropped

Players will no doubt be faking their own deaths soon just to avoid being relegated to Youth League .

[borat]

I did comment on a goal/mistake.

Dumb****

Ohhh diddums. Sorry to call you out on your lack of insight/knowledge/class but what do you expect.

Jog on muppet

[furns]

Calm down kids

[RAM]

Ohhh diddums. Sorry to call you out on your lack of insight/knowledge/class but what do you expect.

Jog on muppet

You missed my comment.

Irony.

[borat]

Actually I read your detailed analysis in what, 10 words, pretty much sums up the intelligence of this goalkeeper pissing contest.....and yours for that matter. You didn't honestly expect anyone to respond to such thoughtless comment did you.........its pathetic

Next time you rack your brain for hours for another 5-6 word zinger in battle for BK v JD supremecy you should take it to the goalkeeper thread.

Furns- apologies for engaging but every thread in this forum is now seemingly infected with this baseless goalkeeper debate. It's everywhere and it pretty much kills any other real discussion.

[Grimario]

Guys, you're not allowed to talk about goal keeping errors or performance on the great wall tour unless it's in the gk specific thread because borat is tired of a topic of conversation.


You know you're in shit when people are siding with RAM ffs.

[pv4]

Furns- apologies for engaging but every thread in this forum is now seemingly infected with this baseless goalkeeper debate. It's everywhere and it pretty much kills any other real discussion.

Tbf the fact that we don't have a legitimate starting keeper is one of if not our biggest issue heading into this season.

[furns]

I think the point is that there are ten other positions on the field to discuss as well.
The GK debate is starting to become tiresome with the same old points being brought up time and again in multiple threads.

[pv4]

I think the point is that there are ten other positions on the field to discuss as well.
The GK debate is starting to become tiresome with the same old points being brought up time and again in multiple threads.

Most people are far more confident with our options at the other 10 positions.

Every thread being brought back to the same argument doesn't sound like the entire history of nf.net at all. Cue PeteC's sig.

[la bazzle]

I think most people are rightly concerned that last year we were kinda stinky with a quality goalkeeper.... now we have two back ups its a bit annoying as there's actually been some positive signs in other departments.

[furns]

Who else could we have signed though?
If we had brought Vukabitch in there would have been another GFC.

[la bazzle]

Who else could we have signed though?
If we had brought Vukabitch in there would have been another GFC.

Isn't he best friends with Boz or they have coffee together or something?

[boz-monaut]

we go to Turkish bath houses together, yes

[pv4]

Who else could we have signed though?
If we had brought Vukabitch in there would have been another GFC.

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Ante+Covic+League+Major+Semi+Final+2nd+Leg+MtlkOw0 X301l.jpg

[la bazzle]

we go to Turkish bath houses together, yes

Sign him up

[la bazzle]

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Ante+Covic+League+Major+Semi+Final+2nd+Leg+MtlkOw0 X301l.jpg

Also sign him up

[borat]

Guys, you're not allowed to talk about goal keeping errors or performance on the great wall tour unless it's in the gk specific thread because borat is tired of a topic of conversation.


You know you're in shit when people are siding with RAM ffs.

Seriously you got to be 12 years old. Get a life champ.

[borat]

Tbf the fact that we don't have a legitimate starting keeper is one of if not our biggest issue heading into this season.

It's not the topic I object to, It's the repeated obsessing the same crap over and over regardless of what's actually presented.

The game v Kitchee 3 goals were scored against us. 2 of which were shown on what looked a handycam in row Z. Unless anyone here jumped on the plane to China was actually present to witness said goals it's fairly difficult to judge the performance of any player. May as well claim Nabbout was man of the match in a Messi like performance, because he he scored one goal and all in the 10 secs of footage shown.

But all that matters is 1 upping the BK/JD fanboys. It's pathetic.

[halo se7en]

It's not the topic I object to, It's the repeated obsessing the same crap over and over regardless of what's actually presented.

The game v Kitchee 3 goals were scored against us. 2 of which were shown on what looked a handycam in row Z. Unless anyone here jumped on the plane to China was actually present to witness said goals it's fairly difficult to judge the performance of any player. May as well claim Nabbout was man of the match in a Messi like performance, because he he scored one goal and all in the 10 secs of footage shown.

But all that matters is 1 upping the BK/JD fanboys. It's pathetic.

+1

And the fact we have a ****ing GK thread for the debate. Take it there.

[Grimario]

+1

And the fact we have a ****ing GK thread for the debate. Take it there.

They were goals conceded on the ****ing great wall tour! If people want to talk about those goals and the perceived errors made then why shouldn't it be in the thread talking about the games on that tour?

We've got an Andrew Hoole thread but I don't see anyone demanding people go and talk about his free kicks and penalty in there. We have a kits thread and no one demanded the discussion about us wearing our FFA badged kit or our gradient training kits were moved there. We have a CEO thread and no one demanded that the discussion about Lawrie be moved there.

And yes borat, calling you out on your little tantrum clearly makes me 12.

[GazFish35]

The GK debate here, or elsewhere is largely fuelled by my shit stirring in regards to how poorly informed criticism against either keeper is pointless AND largely was biased towards hanging shit on BK essentially for errors he made about 8 seasons ago. He was getting to rough end of the stick in that his errors were over scrutinised and birraz's faults were somewhat ignored. There was always an acceptance of blame BK first, then maybe look at the goals..... Hence my OP on this topic when it was actually JD in goals.

The footage of the entire tour in regards to the goalkeeper is pretty bad, any analysis on the part either keeper played in any goals being conceded in near impossible. That was my point, ill informed criticism is useless.

Now that it appears most folk understand the futility of blaming keepers when we can't actually see anything, hopefully we can come to the same conclusion that blaming keepers before actually analysing things properly is just as futile.

I hereby announce I will no longer start any BK or JD bashing in an attempt to demonstrate said point.... But I'll stick up for either one of them if the criticism levelled at them is unfair, or one of them is getting a free ride over the other.

[pv4]

I hereby announce I will no longer start any BK or JD bashing in an attempt to demonstrate said point.... But I'll stick up for either one of them if the criticism levelled at them is unfair, or one of them is getting a free ride over the other.

But your bias for BK clouds the level of unfairness/free ride/whatever on criticism levelled at him.

The simple fact of the matter is BK is a bench goalkeeper at best in quality, as seen from years of us all watching him in person. And on the outlook, Duncan is not seemingly any better quality. We've amassed what seems to be our most competent, competitive side for the best part of the last 8 years but the glaringly obvious issue is that we don't have a starting quality keeper. Ignoring the issue won't make it any less obvious. And I for one, and I am sure many others, are using this venting of frustrations as an emotional escape for what was our biggest loss of the offseason in Biraz leaving.

Like Grim said - Great Wall Tour, talking about things on Le Tour.

[Wilso8948]

As long as we score more goals then the other team in every game we play then who cares.

[plague]

I'm just here to meet women.

[Jetmaster]

But your bias for BK clouds the level of unfairness/free ride/whatever on criticism levelled at him.

The simple fact of the matter is BK is a bench goalkeeper at best in quality, as seen from years of us all watching him in person. And on the outlook, Duncan is not seemingly any better quality. We've amassed what seems to be our most competent, competitive side for the best part of the last 8 years but the glaringly obvious issue is that we don't have a starting quality keeper. Ignoring the issue won't make it any less obvious. And I for one, and I am sure many others, are using this venting of frustrations as an emotional escape for what was our biggest loss of the offseason in Biraz leaving.

Like Grim said - Great Wall Tour, talking about things on Le Tour.

I'm totally with Gaz - BK now is eternally judged based on the BK trainwreck of many moons ago. The BK of the last few years has been mature and solid - his last A-League game was outstanding.

"BK fanbois" just ask for fairness in judgement.

[RAM]

Actually I read your detailed analysis in what, 10 words, pretty much sums up the intelligence of this goalkeeper pissing contest.....and yours for that matter. You didn't honestly expect anyone to respond to such thoughtless comment did you.........its pathetic

Next time you rack your brain for hours for another 5-6 word zinger in battle for BK v JD supremecy you should take it to the goalkeeper thread.

Furns- apologies for engaging but every thread in this forum is now seemingly infected with this baseless goalkeeper debate. It's everywhere and it pretty much kills any other real discussion.

It was a soft goal.

Come the HAL season goals like that will cost us, it shows that JD is not ready.

Sorry you expected an essay ffs.

[RAM]

I think the point is that there are ten other positions on the field to discuss as well.
The GK debate is starting to become tiresome with the same old points being brought up time and again in multiple threads.

Can't remember much discussion about JD at all. :wanker:

[RAM]

It's not the topic I object to, It's the repeated obsessing the same crap over and over regardless of what's actually presented.

The game v Kitchee 3 goals were scored against us. 2 of which were shown on what looked a handycam in row Z. Unless anyone here jumped on the plane to China was actually present to witness said goals it's fairly difficult to judge the performance of any player. May as well claim Nabbout was man of the match in a Messi like performance, because he he scored one goal and all in the 10 secs of footage shown.

But all that matters is 1 upping the BK/JD fanboys. It's pathetic.

So you can't judge the goal from the footage? FMD

I've been a keeper for 30 years, more than qualified to offer an opinion... don't need some keyboard warrior to stifle legitimate discussion

[RAM]

They were goals conceded on the ****ing great wall tour! If people want to talk about those goals and the perceived errors made then why shouldn't it be in the thread talking about the games on that tour?

We've got an Andrew Hoole thread but I don't see anyone demanding people go and talk about his free kicks and penalty in there. We have a kits thread and no one demanded the discussion about us wearing our FFA badged kit or our gradient training kits were moved there. We have a CEO thread and no one demanded that the discussion about Lawrie be moved there.

And yes borat, calling you out on your little tantrum clearly makes me 12.

:thumbsup:

[pv4]

I'm totally with Gaz - BK now is eternally judged based on the BK trainwreck of many moons ago. The BK of the last few years has been mature and solid - his last A-League game was outstanding.

"BK fanbois" just ask for fairness in judgement.

Whereas I think Gaz and other BK fanbois remember BK in the Gold Coast shootout and eternally judge him based on that.

[Wilso8948]

I'm just here to meet women.

You're totally in the wrong place that it isn't funny

[GazFish35]

I'm no BK fanboi - I've consintely stated Birraz is the better keeper.
Just wanting fair and reasonable critique of any keeper - my unfair and unreasonable critique of Birraz (and then instantly blaming JD) was aonly to demonstrte how the critique of BK has been so bias based on his poor form period from when before my eldest child was born.

We'll miss Birraz, I'd love to see him replaced with a undoubted staring quality keeper.

[halo se7en]

But your bias for BK clouds the level of unfairness/free ride/whatever on criticism levelled at him.

The simple fact of the matter is BK is a bench goalkeeper at best in quality, as seen from years of us all watching him in person. And on the outlook, Duncan is not seemingly any better quality. We've amassed what seems to be our most competent, competitive side for the best part of the last 8 years but the glaringly obvious issue is that we don't have a starting quality keeper. Ignoring the issue won't make it any less obvious. And I for one, and I am sure many others, are using this venting of frustrations as an emotional escape for what was our biggest loss of the offseason in Biraz leaving.

Like Grim said - Great Wall Tour, talking about things on Le Tour.

Come on, you know it's not about the tour. Guaranteed this debate will continue after the Edgeworth game, the City game, the Wanderers game, and after every single game this season. Which means it will infiltrate every ****ing thread on this board. We had the best keeper in the league last season, and the debate still didn't stop.

[pv4]

Guaranteed this debate will continue after the Edgeworth game, the City game, the Wanderers game, and after every single game this season. Which means it will infiltrate every ****ing thread on this board.

Sounds like we have quite the issue on our hands..

[The Camel]

Come on, you know it's not about the tour. Guaranteed this debate will continue after the Edgeworth game, the City game, the Wanderers game, and after every single game this season. Which means it will infiltrate every ****ing thread on this board. We had the best keeper in the league last season, and the debate still didn't stop.

Exactly, we had the best keeper in the league last year yet we still had a handful of BK disciples bagging Birraz and arguing for BK's inclusion. It is that utter undeserved support for BK which riles others up, a hell of a lot of general fans (not on the forum) of the club think BK is useless (everyone I have spoken to anyway). There are people on here who just don't like the opinion of others if it differs from their own (small minority) view.

[pv4]

Exactly, we had the best keeper in the league last year yet we still had a handful of BK disciples bagging Birraz and arguing for BK's inclusion. It is that utter undeserved support for BK which riles others up, a hell of a lot of general fans (not on the forum) of the club think BK is useless (everyone I have spoken to anyway). There are people on here who just don't like the opinion of others if it differs from their own (small minority) view.

Wholeheartedly agree with Camel & halo - regardless of what happens, the BK fanbois still won't let it rest.

[borat]

So you can't judge the goal from the footage? FMD

I've been a keeper for 30 years, more than qualified to offer an opinion... don't need some keyboard warrior to stifle legitimate discussion

So for your 30 years of experience.....you can come up with 10 words. I would call you a keyboard warrior but I guess that would require the use of the keyboard.

[borat]

Can't remember much discussion about JD at all. :wanker:

Because for half wits like yourself who do not actually follow the game, it's not about JD. It's just about *insert competing keeper to BK here*.

[RAM]

So for your 30 years of experience.....you can come up with 10 words. I would call you a keyboard warrior but I guess that would require the use of the keyboard.

Why use 100 words when 10 will suffice?

[RAM]

Because for half wits like yourself who do not actually follow the game, it's not about JD. It's just about *insert competing keeper to BK here*.

WTF?

Do not actually follow the game? Pull your head in.

The suggestion on here is that JD should be considered to start ahead of BK. I think that is ridiculous. BK is no world beater, but he's a solid keeper well deserving of the no. 1 spot at the start of the season.

[The Camel]

WTF?

Do not actually follow the game? Pull your head in.

The suggestion on here is that JD should be considered to start ahead of BK. I think that is ridiculous. BK is no world beater, but he's a solid keeper well deserving of the no. 1 spot at the start of the season.

I think the suggestion is more that BK should not be anywhere near the starting 11, but unfortunately the club signed a young keeper who is only at about the same level and we are concerned as **** about it.

[borat]

WTF?

Do not actually follow the game? Pull your head in.

The suggestion on here is that JD should be considered to start ahead of BK. I think that is ridiculous. BK is no world beater, but he's a solid keeper well deserving of the no. 1 spot at the start of the season.

So that really went over your head yeah..........

[borat]

I'm no BK fanboi - I've consintely stated Birraz is the better keeper.
Just wanting fair and reasonable critique of any keeper - my unfair and unreasonable critique of Birraz (and then instantly blaming JD) was aonly to demonstrte how the critique of BK has been so bias based on his poor form period from when before my eldest child was born.

We'll miss Birraz, I'd love to see him replaced with a undoubted staring quality keeper.

Totally agree. But its clear you won't get any reasonable constructive thought here.....or just thought actually. At the point now where goal scored = keeper is shit. Don't even have to see it any longer.

[Jeterpool]

I preferred the midfield debate last year.

[borat]

I preferred the midfield debate last year.

Bring back Watson

[RAM]

Totally agree. But its clear you won't get any reasonable constructive thought here.....or just thought actually. At the point now where goal scored = keeper is shit. Don't even have to see it any longer.

Bullshit.

There were plenty of goals conceded on that tour. I took exception with one in particular. Keepers should not get beaten by shots in that area from FKs. His positioning was fine, he should have got down to it without any trouble, but didn't even get a hand on it.

The footage was perfect for that goal, with the view from directly behind the shooter. Can't claim poor footage.

[Jeterpool]

I think we all need to stop and acknowledge this new duelling pair.

Borat v RAM added to

Plague v Stopper2
Furns v GazFish
Me v Stats haters
MFKS v Mostly everyone
Pv4 v Gypo haters

[Bon]

Borat v RAM
Plague v Stopper2
Furns v GazFish
Jeterpool v Stats haters
MFKS v Mostly everyone
Pv4 v Gypo haters
SD vs Hamma
Premy vs grammar


Now that is a fight card that Dana White would be drooling over being able to promote and sell.. :gent:

[plague]

I preferred the midfield debate last year.

If we'd just sign Steve Lustica and play him in goals we wouldn't have any problems.

Surely we can fit him in the squad, what's Middleby even doing about building a contender?

[plague]

I think we all need to stop and acknowledge this new duelling pair.

Borat v RAM added to

Plague v Stopper2
Furns v GazFish
Me v Stats haters
MFKS v Mostly everyone
Pv4 v Gypo haters

Your post is wrong because I love everyone on the Foz and everyone loves me and thinks I'm funny and handsome.

[Jeterpool]

Your post is wrong because I love everyone on the Foz and everyone loves me and thinks I'm funny and handsome.

I forgot you guys made up.

Oh and anotherone

Captain Obvious v Captain Oblivious

[pv4]

nevr4get SuperDyl vs Pistolpete - arguably the initial foz rivalry.

And also SuperDyl vs Hamma
And SuperDyl vs SouperDyl
And SuperDyl vs GroperDyl
And SuperDyl vs Pool haters
And SuperDyl vs hedges that run alongside one side of a pool haters

[Premy]

Now that is a fight card that Dana White would be drooling over being able to promote and sell.. :gent:

Heys Heys.
Mes ands Grammars gets alongs justs alrights.

[borat]

Bullshit.

There were plenty of goals conceded on that tour. I took exception with one in particular. Keepers should not get beaten by shots in that area from FKs. His positioning was fine, he should have got down to it without any trouble, but didn't even get a hand on it.

The footage was perfect for that goal, with the view from directly behind the shooter. Can't claim poor footage.

Ok so assuming we are talking about the 2nd goal, then you should be able to answer how many were in the wall? were there enough in the wall? where were they positioned (i.e. were they in place)? did the deflection make any difference to the shot? What did you make of the other 2 goals?

With such perfect vision and 30 years of experience you should have no trouble answering..........

[furns]

I think we all need to stop and acknowledge this new duelling pair.

Borat v RAM added to

Plague v Stopper2
Furns v GazFish
Me v Stats haters
MFKS v Mostly everyone
Pv4 v Gypo haters
When have I and the Fish ever had an argument?

[hawk]

When have I and the Fish ever had an argument?

when u 2 positive yella boys broke up

[sammydog]

When have I and the Fish ever had an argument?

What, so now your beef is with Jeterpool?

[Jeterpool]

When have I and the Fish ever had an argument?

That live pod

[Jeterpool]

What, so now your beef is with Jeterpool?

Let's rock