The Hunt for a New Manager - 16/17 Edition

[Hunter403]

Gombau would be great but why would he give up the soft job he has now to take on the basket case that is the Jets?

[Jeterpool]

full of spelling mistakes

I noticed that too.

We know you read this Johny - pick up your game :rof:

[Jeterpool]

Gombau would be great but why would he give up the soft job he has now to take on the basket case that is the Jets?

Ambition? Show he isn't a one-hit-wonder?

I would be over the moon with an appointment like this and it would be a very clear sign of ambition from the owner. It would demonstrate he's serious and the club administration are looking to improve our standing.

[Jeterpool]

Who knows, he may actually have what it takes. But more than likely we'll be outside the 6 and martin will have lawrie searching for another coach before seasons out.

Never know...Martin might have Lawrie looking for another job if his appointment fails terribly.

[Wilso8948]

FFA would never allow him to leave the NT for a shit club like ours

[The Dunster]

I'd like to see Martin Lee register on the Foz, post a poll with a Slobs option and let the people who know best decide on the new manager.

[Jeterpool]

I'd like to see Martin Lee register on the Foz, post a poll with a Slobs option and let the people who know best decide on the new manager.

Good luck getting those from the Herald to come over here...oh wait did you mean us!?

[turbojetfireV8]

full of spelling mistakes

does 'job job' actually mean 'shit job'? if so that's a bit of a harsh assessment of Scotty from Ryan... :popcorn:

[Thomas477]

I'd like to see Martin Lee register on the Foz, post a poll with a Slobs option and let the people who know best decide on the new manager.

How do you know I'm not Martin Lee? :lulz:

[Jeterpool]

How do you know I'm not Martin Lee? :lulz:

Because I am

[turbojetfireV8]

might be fairer if we draw a ballot for which one of us gets to be Martin, seeing he's such a popular choice...

[stopper2]

Ambition? Show he isn't a one-hit-wonder?

I would be over the moon with an appointment like this and it would be a very clear sign of ambition from the owner. It would demonstrate he's serious and the club administration are looking to improve our standing.
+1
Love Gombau, the passion he has the for the game, his team and players. The footage of him running to celebrate a goal with his team is up there as one of the greatest moments in the A-League's 11 year history.

[hawk]

Gombau gets in + 2 memberships

[turbojetfireV8]

has Gombau actually applied though, or is this just speculation like most of these stories have been? seems too good to be true we might actually be chasing someone who isn't untested...

[Tommyjet]

has Gombau actually applied though, or is this just speculation like most of these stories have been? seems too good to be true we might actually be chasing someone who isn't untested...

Postecoglou pushed hard to get him involved with national set up. I doubt he would be even interested as he has only just started that role. I reckon there would be more chance getting milicic than gombau.

[Wilso8948]

RGriff is just saying he'd like to see someone like Gombau. Then you lot go into meltdown thinking we'll become all Spanish and shit..

[lquiquer]

RGriff is just saying he'd like to see someone like Gombau. Then you lot go into meltdown thinking we'll become all Spanish and shit..

1/2 way there we already shit....

[plague]

RGriff

who?

[stopper2]

RGriff is just saying he'd like to see someone like Gombau. Then you lot go into meltdown thinking we'll become all Spanish and shit..
Yeah sure we would love to see it happen but realistically we know it won't. Agree with Tommyjet in that he has just started in his role with the Socceroos, very very unlikely he would go back to club football at this point.
Anyway a coach like Gombau needs time to implement his style and philosophy. Had a full preseason with Adelaide 3 years ago but it still took another 2 months into the season before the team actually started winning games and playing his way.
For him to come here now, 2 weeks out from the start of the season and expect him to perform miracles on a squad he had no input with...it has the makings of a potential disaster.

[Jetmaster]

Well at least we know it is a local...

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4177129/jones-in-frame-as-jets-top-job-down-to-three/?cs=305

[GazFish35]

“I think I’ve done my time and shown I’m ready.”

It might be by the by, but I hate the attitude of "I've done my time so I should get a promotion"
Its stinks up the place with people not really doing anything but just hanging around till they are the longest serving person.

[plague]

Oz mentality mate.
First in last out.

Nufin else matters.

Solidarity forever comrade.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

It might be by the by, but I hate the attitude of "I've done my time so I should get a promotion"
Its stinks up the place with people not really doing anything but just hanging around till they are the longest serving person.

Basically sums up BK and Kanta.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

As well as Jones, Darren Stewart, Damian Mori, Arthur Papas and Mike Mulvey are understood to be in consideration.

#Papasin



Teenage striker Kristian Brymora is expected to be confirmed as the third under-20 player on the roster.

Would be keen to see this happen, looks the goods and has speed, which is what we've lacked in a striker for a very long time.

[Frodo]

TBH i can see the club just settling with Zane and throwing in the towel early. Which is probably still a better choice than Jones. I'd give Jones a better chance of beating Usain Bolt in a 100m sprint than finishing above last place, bloke is an utter numpty.

No quality coaches would really want to come here at this stage of the season with the circus going on behind closed doors so we can't really expect to find a finished, well-respected coach who will come in and drastically change the place.

We already had an aspiring young coach who would improve the place as he gained experience and that didn't end well so i can't see them wanting another 'project' coach.

So we are left with whoever Lawrie owes favours to or a 'local product' who really isn't up to scratch.:deadhorse:

[white city]

TBH i can see the club just settling with Zane and throwing in the towel early. Which is probably still a better choice than Jones. I'd give Jones a better chance of beating Usain Bolt in a 100m sprint than finishing above last place, bloke is an utter numpty.

No quality coaches would really want to come here at this stage of the season with the circus going on behind closed doors so we can't really expect to find a finished, well-respected coach who will come in and drastically change the place.

We already had an aspiring young coach who would improve the place as he gained experience and that didn't end well so i can't see them wanting another 'project' coach.

So we are left with whoever Lawrie owes favours to or a 'local product' who really isn't up to scratch.:deadhorse:

Well the worst kept secret is slowly coming out. The herelad this morning claiming Jones top of 3 candidates remaining. And that Lawrie recieved expressions of interest from european clubs, however it seems again we havnt got the cash and Jones will be in charge after the weekend.

i do think he is deserving of his chance. Both times he has been involved with the club our football has improved and i can speak from experience that he is knowledgeable from his experiences overseas with NSWIS.

[The Dunster]

Well the worst kept secret is slowly coming out. The herelad this morning claiming Jones top of 3 candidates remaining. And that Lawrie recieved expressions of interest from european clubs, however it seems again we havnt got the cash and Jones will be in charge after the weekend.

i do think he is deserving of his chance. Both times he has been involved with the club our football has improved and i can speak from experience that he is knowledgeable from his experiences overseas with NSWIS.

Bravo to the FFA for their due diligence on the financial capacity of the new owner to run a successful A-league club.

Que the rebuilding for the future, looking for stability. it takes time... and so on speeches from the spineless apologists.

Nothing against Jones and I wish him well but he's going to be fighting an uphill battle given the new owner appears very tight with a dollar.

[The Dunster]

Oz mentality mate.
First in last out.

Nufin else matters.

Solidarity forever comrade.

it's hardly a class or cultural issue though is it given it happens at all levels in a lot of countries.

[plague]

it's hardly a class or cultural issue though is it given it happens at all levels in a lot of countries.

Oh I agree, I just always get a giggle when any reason other than "I'm the best candidate" is given as a justification for someone applying for something.

It's why the dole is now described as 'entitlements' or 'benefits ' instead of 'welfare'.

It's glorious.

[Jetmaster]

I deal with this often - wiki the "Peter Principle" to find out why good players and assistants (and in business, managers) often fail.

[stopper2]

It might be by the by, but I hate the attitude of "I've done my time so I should get a promotion"
Its stinks up the place with people not really doing anything but just hanging around till they are the longest serving person.
Could only imagine your reaction to Bridges' when he was pushing his case (and Sheringham's) last week then Gaz!

[Captain Obvious]

I deal with this often - wiki the "Peter Principle" to find out why good players and assistants (and in business, managers) often fail.

It's because they aren't very good at the job.

[Captain Oblivious]

I voted for other. There is a very good young Australian coach at Fulham called Scott Miller that would be very good for the Jets.

[rhysd]

Well the worst kept secret is slowly coming out. The herelad this morning claiming Jones top of 3 candidates remaining. And that Lawrie recieved expressions of interest from european clubs, however it seems again we havnt got the cash and Jones will be in charge after the weekend.

i do think he is deserving of his chance. Both times he has been involved with the club our football has improved and i can speak from experience that he is knowledgeable from his experiences overseas with NSWIS.

Think you will find the article indicated that the European based applicants were immediately ruled out once their stipulations (i.e. Contract demands) were given to lawrie/jets.

We have the nucleus of a good squad, any decent coach should be able to come in and direct this team into a good finish on the table..

[hawk]

#Papasin

That bloke cant even get green gully to the top, no thanks

[lquiquer]

That bloke cant even get green gully to the top, no thanks

True...and Jones never coached at that level ......So Mulvey fair option but may as well give the job to Clicky Clacka...still would have liked Pep G.....

[hawk]

True...and Jones never coached at that level ......So Mulvey fair option but may as well give the job to Clicky Clacka...still would have liked Pep G.....

fair call.

[Tommyjet]

A few articles out now that jones has told adelaide officials he is leaving for the jets gig

[rhysd]

Will be interesting to see how long the appt is for. Finally gets his chance to show us what he is capable of doing.

[matty]

the last rookie a league coach to come from adelaide worked out well didnt it.....

[Grimario]

the last rookie a league coach to come from adelaide worked out well didnt it.....

He was in Thailand at the time, wasn't he? He went back to Adelaide afterwards.

[matty]

yea but he was based in adelaide i think. didnt his mrs own a head job shop down there?

[foti68]

Jones will be announced tomorrow, he has changed his Facebook home from Adelaide to Newcastle.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

yea jones has it in the bag

https://puu.sh/rjVcb.png

[goaliepersempre]

:rof::rof::whistling:

[plague]

yea jones has it in the bag

https://puu.sh/rjVcb.png

Bhahahahahaha post of the year I'm gonna buy you a beer and then another beer.

[hawk]

of course. Jobs for the gypo bum boys. thats a king grind.

and



yea but he was based in adelaide i think. didnt his mrs own a head job shop down there?

:rof::rof:

[Thomas477]

In my opinion he'll be Stubbins 2.0, but I hope I'm wrong.

[sammydog]

In my opinion he'll be Stubbins 2.0, but I hope I'm wrong.

I'm thinking the same way you are.

[Jeterpool]

In my opinion he'll be Stubbins 2.0, but I hope I'm wrong.

I'm with you and Sammydog

[Tommyjet]

We'll win the league now 😕

[Bon]

We are fvcked...

[boz-monaut]

too late for a refund?

[lquiquer]

http://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/mckinna-no-decision-yet-438009

[Retro Jet]

Ffs...we can't attract someone with better credentials than this?


We are fvcked...

+1

[Jeterpool]

As I said when Miller was sacked, the same will apply if/when Jones is appointed.

Classic Jerks

[The Dunster]

Does this mean Terry Venables won't be coming ?

[Jetmaster]

Basically someone who can go to work straight away because we don't want any excuses that it's not my squad. The person who comes in here thinks he can get the team into the top six. No excuses saying it's not my team."


I do at least like Lawrie putting this out there.

Like buying a car with 5000 kms on it - perfect working order, glitches fixed and ready to drive.

[Jeterpool]

Daniel Garb tweeting that Jones will be announced this arvo.

[The Camel]

I do at least like Lawrie putting this out there.

Like buying a car with 5000 kms on it - perfect working order, glitches fixed and ready to drive.

At least it means that it can't be GVE. He loves the 'it's not my team' line

[The Camel]

Daniel Garb tweeting that Jones will be announced this arvo.

Shit that is disappointing. Bloke is a piece of shit

[stopper2]

When the announcement is made I just don't want to here McKinna or whoever rabble on about the club needed someone who can fit in and who understands the Newcastle culture/mentality, can engage with the community and knows where Hunter St is and the "Big penis" blah blah blah....biggest crock of rubbish going around regarding what is required.
We need a coach to come here and change things....simple as that, not to come here and blend in with the mediocrity that is already prevalent.
You keep doing the same thing, the same way, you are going to get the same results.

[Bon]

Shit that is disappointing. Bloke is a piece of shit

Spot on..
I would have preferred GVE.. I would have preferred my 103 year old grandma.. I would even have preferred Stubbins..
Fvcking could not have gotten a worse result for our club..

[Wilso8948]

May I ask why all the hate? Personal reasons aside.

[The Dunster]

My issue is with the club buying retreads instead of forking out the extra dollars for a nice set of Michelin's.

[furns]

Presser called for 315pm

[stopper2]

May I ask why all the hate? Personal reasons aside.
Personally I wish Jones the very best and despite the negativity I think he will do a decent job but that was what I was alluding to above.
I think we need a total change in mentality and direction, someone who can change the culture, not understand it because they are born and bred here. We need to start thinking totally in football terms on how to change this club around, that should be the primary focus....everything else is secondary.

[Couscous]

After this afternoon, perhaps some of you will reflect on your earlier GVE comments.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

primary focus....everything else is secondary.

Winning games is the only thing that matters.

[Jeterpool]

After this afternoon, perhaps some of you will reflect on your earlier GVE comments.

You'll be down at the pub with Jonesy tonight, won't you Gaz?

[baldrick]

Can confirm: I got the job.

I hope you all like turnips.

[lquiquer]

What kind of football Jones likes to play? Rare / Medium / Well done ?

[Jetmaster]

Jones and Clacker confirmed on club website.

1328

[Jeterpool]

Alright, I'm drawing the line in the sand here. I called for Papas and while I am underwhelmed uninspired by the appointment, it's done.

Whether we agree or not, it's in our best interest to support the management team. Getting behind them will help create an atmosphere and environment which gives them the best chance to succeed.

We all gave Miller a chance, so I am going to afford that opportunity to Jones as well.

[Guerny]

Agreed, he has the full confidence of the management team...

[The Camel]

Agreed, he has the full confidence of the management team...

Of course he does. He is one of Lawrie's best mates. This is pure job for the boys, not best candidate for the job. Bloke is a piece of shit

[boz-monaut]

I wanna spew

[Guerny]

I think you missed the sarcasm....

[Butler]

We need a coach to come here and change things


we had one of those and some nobhead sacked him

[plague]

We all gave Miller a chance, so I am going to afford that opportunity to Jones as well.

Not all of us.
Me and the Member (RIP) were against it.

And we were proven right.

Now if you need me I'll be over in the 'Jones OUT' thread.

[plague]

So grammar nerdz, should the word 'Club' have been spelt with a capitol 'c' every time in that press release?

[boz-monaut]

no, it doesn't need to be

you would capitalise if you were referring to Newcastle Jerks Football Club as the first mention, then it's not necessary to capitalise when you refer to the club when mentioned

it's not incorrect to capitalise and it used to be the way to link that ongoing reference - it's just fallen out of favour as with capitalisation in general

[plague]

no, it doesn't need to be

you would capitalise if you were referring to Newcastle Jerks Football Club as the first mention, then it's not necessary to capitalise when you refer to the club when mentioned

it's not incorrect to capitalise and it used to be the way to link that ongoing reference - it's just fallen out of favour as with capitalisation in general

yeah me and my mates were just having a bet on whether it took longer to type the press release or actually look for a manager.

I've got good money on the press release.

[seldom]

Why are people against Jones ? And can we get a response a little more detailed than " Bloke is a piece of shit" etc. Majority of players are for the appointment from my info.

[turbojetfireV8]

What kind of football Jones likes to play? Rare / Medium / Well done ?
as long as it's not overcooked - we had one of those in Trani, ol' school managers out thanks...

[plague]

Why are people against Jones ? And can we get a response a little more detailed than " Bloke is a piece of shit" etc. Majority of players are for the appointment from my info.

Because he's the manager of the jets and the jets suck ergo he sucks.

[turbojetfireV8]

true plague, it's his job to win the supporters over or GTFO, results first thanks

[sorefootballer]

Where has the member been?

[sorefootballer]

I miss his s.h.it talk

[sorefootballer]

I'm happy to give Jones a chance and not bag straight away. The squad is much better than last season. Why not hope. Can't get any worse than the past 6 or 7 seasons

[Roundball Enthusiast]

What kind of football Jones likes to play? Rare / Medium / Well done ?


Why are people against Jones ? And can we get a response a little more detailed than " Bloke is a piece of shit" etc. Majority of players are for the appointment from my info.

I'm seeing a trend here, aligns with his old job at Adelaide.

[skullboy]

yeah me and my mates were just having a bet on whether it took longer to type the press release or actually look for a manager.

I've got good money on the press release.

Well I'm pretty sure they started writing the press release before they sacked Miller so I think your money is safe....

[skullboy]

Why are people against Jones ? And can we get a response a little more detailed than " Bloke is a piece of shit" etc. Majority of players are for the appointment from my info.

there seem to be a multitude of reasons why others are against him.

Here is a small sample of mine:

Jobs for the boys - he has got the job because he is a mate of the Gypo and no other reason;
His pedigree and history as a manager is almost identical to Stubbins' and I don't think I need to expand too much on that;
Pretty average player and a wide defender in an era when wide defenders had no skills and no tactical nous;
Although I don't know his current tactical philosophy, a defenders mentality will not fly in this town. GVE is still lambasted for his philosophy (played the same position as Jones but was a much better player) but GVE did get some fairly reasonable results in at least one of his stints at the club (sorry Club);
Does anyone actually know what results Jones has achieved in the shitty leagues he has been involved in? Sheringham was crucified in the press (well the Herald anyway, and they never have any hidden agendas) for his poor results as a manager but what has Jones achieved?
We deserve better than a manager who "understands the Newcastle football mentality", which means - is happy to accept failure as an ongoing reasonable standard;
"Martin" Lee could have proven his commitment to the club by being prepared to pay for a decent well credentialed and successful manager but has instead allowed the Gypo to spend the minimum (one would hope) giving his mate a job;
If "martin" didn't want to break the budget of his billion dollar company then why look beyond Clayton Zane. He actually has some runs on the board as an A league manager even if only in a caretaker role;

next.....

[rhysd]

there seem to be a multitude of reasons why others are against him.

Here is a small sample of mine:

Jobs for the boys - he has got the job because he is a mate of the Gypo and no other reason;
His pedigree and history as a manager is almost identical to Stubbins' and I don't think I need to expand too much on that;
Pretty average player and a wide defender in an era when wide defenders had no skills and no tactical nous;
Although I don't know his current tactical philosophy, a defenders mentality will not fly in this town. GVE is still lambasted for his philosophy (played the same position as Jones but was a much better player) but GVE did get some fairly reasonable results in at least one of his stints at the club (sorry Club);
Does anyone actually know what results Jones has achieved in the shitty leagues he has been involved in? Sheringham was crucified in the press (well the Herald anyway, and they never have any hidden agendas) for his poor results as a manager but what has Jones achieved?
We deserve better than a manager who "understands the Newcastle football mentality", which means - is happy to accept failure as an ongoing reasonable standard;
"Martin" Lee could have proven his commitment to the club by being prepared to pay for a decent well credentialed and successful manager but has instead allowed the Gypo to spend the minimum (one would hope) giving his mate a job;
If "martin" didn't want to break the budget of his billion dollar company then why look beyond Clayton Zane. He actually has some runs on the board as an A league manager even if only in a caretaker role;

next.....

What does playing history have anything to do with your ability to coach? On that front Jones is already a mile ahead of Miller. There is no direct correlation between how good you were as a player and your capability as a coach. What position did Mourinho play? Who for? Give me his playing history! For the record, I would have loved Miller to be given the gig for 4-5 years, but obviously he made his errors and paid the ultimate price for his alleged hardline stance. Everytime Jones has been involved with the club (and I may need the stats man here) my recollection is that we have a reduced injury occurrence, improved defensive capacity and have generally improved competitively.

We should have gone for a foreign coach for the Socceroos as the the most highly credentialed is always the best option. Oh wait. Someone with an understanding of the local/national fabric whom already has a first hand knowledge of the football landscape in this country has our NT performing and playing good quality football. Sometimes, the local can be the better option.

There are more highly credentialed individuals out there but it does not necessarily mean they will be the most suited to the job profile.

I see this as a double appointment which will help to galvanise the current playing squad, not mix things up too much and carry on the good work of the previous coach. An outsider could have come in and just changed everything.. Leading to potentially fatal initial results (which would have some fans raging as to his/her failure in not getting immediate results).

From what I have heard and read, former players that have played under Jones have been mightily impressed with him and have championed his installment as Head Coach.

Yes, it will appear as 'jobs for the boys' and until he starts getting results he won't be able to change that perception.

You're willing to write him off but yet you don't know his tactical philosophy? Nothing like storming into a fight and not knowing why you are hating on the other guy! He has come out and said that the defence is essentially needing some minor tweaking but the improvement needs to be made in the goalscoring front. Not sure I read in there anything about the way he likes to play, although there is a good piece by David Lowe if you want some more information/insight.

Supporting his appointment may actually bring about positive change and results for the club. However, I suppose it is easier to whip out your keyboard and predict failure.

Good luck with that attitude.

[WolfMan]

^^^^
Well said. Give peace (and by extension, Jones) a chance

[Tommyjet]

What does playing history have anything to do with your ability to coach? On that front Jones is already a mile ahead of Miller. There is no direct correlation between how good you were as a player and your capability as a coach. What position did Mourinho play? Who for? Give me his playing history! For the record, I would have loved Miller to be given the gig for 4-5 years, but obviously he made his errors and paid the ultimate price for his alleged hardline stance. Everytime Jones has been involved with the club (and I may need the stats man here) my recollection is that we have a reduced injury occurrence, improved defensive capacity and have generally improved competitively.

We should have gone for a foreign coach for the Socceroos as the the most highly credentialed is always the best option. Oh wait. Someone with an understanding of the local/national fabric whom already has a first hand knowledge of the football landscape in this country has our NT performing and playing good quality football. Sometimes, the local can be the better option.

There are more highly credentialed individuals out there but it does not necessarily mean they will be the most suited to the job profile.

I see this as a double appointment which will help to galvanise the current playing squad, not mix things up too much and carry on the good work of the previous coach. An outsider could have come in and just changed everything.. Leading to potentially fatal initial results (which would have some fans raging as to his/her failure in not getting immediate results).

From what I have heard and read, former players that have played under Jones have been mightily impressed with him and have championed his installment as Head Coach.

Yes, it will appear as 'jobs for the boys' and until he starts getting results he won't be able to change that perception.

You're willing to write him off but yet you don't know his tactical philosophy? Nothing like storming into a fight and not knowing why you are hating on the other guy! He has come out and said that the defence is essentially needing some minor tweaking but the improvement needs to be made in the goalscoring front. Not sure I read in there anything about the way he likes to play, although there is a good piece by David Lowe if you want some more information/insight.

Supporting his appointment may actually bring about positive change and results for the club. However, I suppose it is easier to whip out your keyboard and predict failure.

Good luck with that attitude.

First class post.

[white city]

First class post.[/QUOTE]

I agree great post. Lets all unite as 1 and support all staff and players for the upcoming season

[redwah]

Can confirm: I got the job.

I hope you all like turnips.

Where's my call for assistant?

[hawk]

Sacking a perfectly known good coach is stupidity. A new manager/coach is the last thing we need as it now starts our 7th rebuild in 8 yrs. There be little joy this year.

As for not judging a coach on past results, let's just put in some kid. His non results shouldnt matter ay.

Skullboy hit it right on. Anyone accepting gypo jobs for the boys needs to head south and don the urine shirt.

[Tommyjet]

Sacking a perfectly known good coach is stupidity. A new manager/coach is the last thing we need as it now starts our 7th rebuild in 8 yrs. There be little joy this year.

As for not judging a coach on past results, let's just put in some kid. His non results shouldnt matter ay.

Skullboy hit it right on. Anyone accepting gypo jobs for the boys needs to head south and don the urine shirt.

Your just some punk from the forum, ill stick around and SUPPORT the newcastle jets thanks. No-one NEEDS to do anything you say on here tough man.

[hawk]

ill stick around and SUPPORT the newcastle jets thanks. No-one NEEDS to do anything you say on here tough man.

rof. we a have a butt hurt hero.

[terry]

Your just some punk from the forum, ill stick around and SUPPORT the newcastle jets thanks. No-one NEEDS to do anything you say on here tough man.

:rof:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/32/69/11/3269117fbc67ae052ab6e506bfa58fc0.jpg

[Tommyjet]

rof. we a have a butt hurt hero.

Oh man we must be laughing at each other now

[Couscous]

GVE is still lambasted for his philosophy (played the same position as Jones but was a much better player) but GVE did get some fairly reasonable results in at least one of his stints at the club

FFS, the Egg did not have a "defender's mentality". Under him, we played possession football with rapid changes in tempo. It's just that, at times, we struggled to keep the ball or reach a high tempo. But the instructions, tactics, vision, philosophy, desire and hyperbole were there, thanks to GVE.

This place really enrages me sometimes.

Can I suggest a useful way to end the Myths of the Egg? Someone approach Griff and ask him what he thought of GVE, then report here what the Griff said.

[plague]

Lets all unite as 1 and support all staff and players for the upcoming season

Nah.

[hawk]

Oh man we must be laughing at each other now

Im only here for the larf. You must know that by now. :rof:

[baldrick]

Where's my call for assistant?

Was going to be a surprise when you get home

[seldom]

FFS, the Egg did not have a "defender's mentality". Under him, we played possession football with rapid changes in tempo. It's just that, at times, we struggled to keep the ball or reach a high tempo. But the instructions, tactics, vision, philosophy, desire and hyperbole were there, thanks to GVE.

This place really enrages me sometimes.

Can I suggest a useful way to end the Myths of the Egg? Someone approach Griff and ask him what he thought of GVE, then report here what the Griff said.

Possession football's not much chop if ya aint goin forward Gary.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Dunno bout you guys, but I'll be pretty damn happy when we win games, and if we make top 6. I'll be pissed when we lose and miss out on finals football.
Sure, on paper this isn't great, but paper doesn't win games, doesn't count for much at all tbh. If he comes in and wins games you'll still pile shit on the guy.
Who coaches, who plays, who scored, who dives, who gets sacked, doesn't bother me. Nobody is bigger than the club. So I'll reserve my judgement until we have played some games.

[The Camel]

FFS, the Egg did not have a "defender's mentality". Under him, we played possession football with rapid changes in tempo. It's just that, at times, we struggled to keep the ball or reach a high tempo. But the instructions, tactics, vision, philosophy, desire and hyperbole were there, thanks to GVE.

This place really enrages me sometimes.

Can I suggest a useful way to end the Myths of the Egg? Someone approach Griff and ask him what he thought of GVE, then report here what the Griff said.

Hi Gary!

I thought your philosophy was for the fullbacks to sprint up the field, then for the centre backs and defensive midfield to pass back and forth amongst themselves until they turned the ball over by which time the fullbacks were out of position and we'd concede.

Well that's what I watched through your entire second tenure and alot of your first

[The Camel]

Dunno bout you guys, but I'll be pretty damn happy when we win games, and if we make top 6. I'll be pissed when we lose and miss out on finals football.
Sure, on paper this isn't great, but paper doesn't win games, doesn't count for much at all tbh. If he comes in and wins games you'll still pile shit on the guy.
Who coaches, who plays, who scored, who dives, who gets sacked, doesn't bother me. Nobody is bigger than the club. So I'll reserve my judgement until we have played some games.

Go and ask the Adelaide fans how happy they are that he'll now have nothing to do with their youth.

[380]

Possession football's not much chop if ya aint goin forward Gary.



This x 100

Stats more important than results under CC AKA GVE.

[turbojetfireV8]

my main problem apart from him actually being unproven at this level is the two year appointment - if he is Stubbins MkII then we have to pay him out to get rid of him instead of just giving him an initial contract of twelve months to prove himself and we'll go from there - I'd be happy to pay him an improved contract (providing the current one is minimum wage, anything more than that would be WTF were they thinking territory) but only if and when he shows he is the right man for the job, all this 100% Newy boy shit means phuck all if he can't mould us into a competitive unit and has to make the same old excuses 'not my team, wouldn't have signed XYZ etc', it's not like he is in high demand as a gaffer and we needed to lure him FFS...

[turbojetfireV8]

Can I suggest a useful way to end the Myths of the Egg? Someone approach Griff and ask him what he thought of GVE, then report here what the Griff said.

so if Griffo comes back and says GVE's a total khunt you will accept that and stop all the GVE lovefest shit?? :popcorn:

[Couscous]

Yes. I assume the reverse is also true

[turbojetfireV8]

he's made too many enemies in this town for the reverse to ever be true, so that's a no...

[GazFish35]

my main problem apart from him actually being unproven at this level is the two year appointment - if he is Stubbins MkII then we have to pay him out to get rid of him instead of just giving him an initial contract of twelve months to prove himself and we'll go from there - I'd be happy to pay him an improved contract (providing the current one is minimum wage, anything more than that would be WTF were they thinking territory) but only if and when he shows he is the right man for the job, all this 100% Newy boy shit means phuck all if he can't mould us into a competitive unit and has to make the same old excuses 'not my team, wouldn't have signed XYZ etc', it's not like he is in high demand as a gaffer and we needed to lure him FFS...

Agree with the sentiment but...

The 2 years gives a little more stability and certainty for the players, and future players - in January he'd be in a weakened place to attract new players if he himself wasn't contracted beyond the end of this season.

And....

Ledman has the coin to pay him out if he's shit anyway.

[Butler]

yea but he was based in adelaide i think. didnt his mrs own a head job shop down there?

free head jobs to celebrate win? Jacko wants to know

[Wilso8948]

ffs round 1 can't come soon enough. So much bullshit on here.

Captain Obvs?

[RAM]

Anyone posted that campaign photo yet?

What a ****ing debacle.

[belchardo]

So grammar nerdz, should the word 'Club' have been spelt with a capitol 'c' every time in that press release?

sorry, bit late arriving here. think boz has answered your query.

spelling police would pick you up on your incorrect use of capitol/capital however.

:gent:

[turbojetfireV8]

agree with boz as well, capitalisation is for the proper noun (proper name) of the club, the common noun club doesn't need it, would be a bit of overkill

[plague]

spelling police would pick you up on your incorrect use of capitol/capital however.

:gent:

Sorry, 'Kapitol'.

[belchardo]

Sorry, 'Kapitol'.

:lulzturtle:

[turbojetfireV8]

Das Kapital?

[skullboy]

What does playing history have anything to do with your ability to coach? On that front Jones is already a mile ahead of Miller. There is no direct correlation between how good you were as a player and your capability as a coach. What position did Mourinho play? Who for? Give me his playing history! For the record, I would have loved Miller to be given the gig for 4-5 years, but obviously he made his errors and paid the ultimate price for his alleged hardline stance. Everytime Jones has been involved with the club (and I may need the stats man here) my recollection is that we have a reduced injury occurrence, improved defensive capacity and have generally improved competitively.

We should have gone for a foreign coach for the Socceroos as the the most highly credentialed is always the best option. Oh wait. Someone with an understanding of the local/national fabric whom already has a first hand knowledge of the football landscape in this country has our NT performing and playing good quality football. Sometimes, the local can be the better option.

There are more highly credentialed individuals out there but it does not necessarily mean they will be the most suited to the job profile.

I see this as a double appointment which will help to galvanise the current playing squad, not mix things up too much and carry on the good work of the previous coach. An outsider could have come in and just changed everything.. Leading to potentially fatal initial results (which would have some fans raging as to his/her failure in not getting immediate results).

From what I have heard and read, former players that have played under Jones have been mightily impressed with him and have championed his installment as Head Coach.

Yes, it will appear as 'jobs for the boys' and until he starts getting results he won't be able to change that perception.

You're willing to write him off but yet you don't know his tactical philosophy? Nothing like storming into a fight and not knowing why you are hating on the other guy! He has come out and said that the defence is essentially needing some minor tweaking but the improvement needs to be made in the goalscoring front. Not sure I read in there anything about the way he likes to play, although there is a good piece by David Lowe if you want some more information/insight.

Supporting his appointment may actually bring about positive change and results for the club. However, I suppose it is easier to whip out your keyboard and predict failure.

Good luck with that attitude.

Crikey!!! thanks for your reply Mrs Jones.

Well Mourinho played 2nd Division in Portugal and Miller played NPL in Victoria 15 years ago as compared to NSL 25 years ago. I wouldn't put Jones' playing career "a mile ahead" of either.

I agree however, that playing record is not a reliable indicator of how a person will perform as a manager. A player's philosophy will often carry through to their managerial career though. So why is it you want Mourinho's playing history if you don't think it matters?

Your "recollection" of Jones' performance as an assistant coach doesn't cut it in a factual sense any more than an assessment based on playing history. Assistants do what they are told by the head coach. Even stats about having "generally improved competitively" won't cut it as an argument when he wasn't actually in charge. Or even if he was actually in charge without stats to back them up. Which is my whole point. We haven't been given any stats or other football reasons for the appointment.

The national team appointed a well credentialed and successful manager who has a proven ability to overhaul teams and cultures and win competitions including a few A-league championships. They didn't appoint a local for the sake of appointing a local. He achieved success in the A-League in 2 different clubs in different cities and then with the national team pulling in players from League's all around the world. "Local" knowledge has had little or nothing to do with his success. How does Jones' managerial record stack up against Ange's? The losing culture at the club needs to change, not be understood and accepted.

Player's opinions count for nothing. Results are the only things that matter.

I didn't write him off by the way. I just think the wrong decision has been made for the wrong reasons (jobs for the boys), but I hope it turns out that the right decision has been made for the wrong reasons. That fact remains that the decision was made for the wrong reasons, and blind Freddy knew two weeks ago who was going to get the job.

I'm not "storming into" a fight, nor do I hate or even dislike Mark personally. In terms of philosophy again, I have seen nothing about him saying we need improvement in the goal scoring area. Quite the opposite - both in the press on NBN last night and at the season launch on Sunday he talked about improving defence and holding on to the ball - not scoring goals.

But you go right ahead and believe that everything is going to be fine now because, well, it just will.

Good luck with that attitude.

[GazFish35]

Saucer of Milk?

[Grimario]

Shame we didn't wait a few weeks, we could had BFS :(

[lquiquer]

Shame we didn't wait a few weeks, we could had BFS :(

Trying to work out who BFS is.....

[Jeterpool]

Trying to work out who BFS is.....

Big Fat Sam (Allardyce)

[Grimario]

Trying to work out who BFS is.....

Big Fat Sam... the disgraced former England manager.

[The Dunster]

When Branko was in charge he couldn't leave the training ground quick enough. The two guys that stayed back to work with the younger players were none other than Mark Jones and a senior player who was also pretty skilled with a megaphone.

We need these types of people involved with the club. Why do we always do our best to get rid of them.

[lquiquer]

Big Fat Sam (Allardyce)

Of course....cheers

[skullboy]

When Branko was in charge he couldn't leave the training ground quick enough. The two guys that stayed back to work with the younger players were none other than Mark Jones and a senior player who was also pretty skilled with a megaphone.

We need these types of people involved with the club. Why do we always do our best to get rid of them.

When Branko was charge? that was about 14 minutes wasn't it? He probably had to spend a lot of time checking out his son's new contract...