16/17 HAL Round 4 | Newcastle Jets v Sydney FC | Sat 29 Oct 2016, 5:35PM

[Jeterpool]

A-League 16/17 Round 4 Preview - Newcastle Jets v Sydney FC

FIXTURE FACTS

Overall – 35 matches between the two teams.
Jets Wins - 6, FC Wins - 21, Drawn - 8


In Newcastle – 17 matches.
Jets Wins - 3, FC Wins - 10, Drawn - 4
In Sydney - 18 matches
Jets Wins - 3, FC Wins - 11, Drawn - 4

Average Home A-League Crowd – 12505
Average Away A-League Crowd - 14168

Goals in Fixture
Jets – 35, FC - 55
In Newcastle -
Jets – 17, FC - 26

1st Goals in Fixture
Jets – 10, FC - 22

Cards in Fixture
Jets - 62 (59 yellow, 3 red), FC 68 (61 yellow, 7 red)

Recent Form (A-League)
Jets - DWD (5 points from last 9)
FC - WWW (9 points from last 9)

Leading Scorers
Jets - Nigel Boogaard (2)
FC – Filip Holosko (3)

Last Result -
Jets 0 – Sydney 2 (Holosko 15', Abbas 80') at ANZ Stadium, A-League, Round 14, 9/1/2016.

Starting line-ups from Last Meeting in Season 15/16 Round 14

Newcastle JetsSydney FC
Mark BirighittiVedran Janjetovic
Jason HoffmanRhyan Grant
Daniel MullenSebastian Ryall
Nigel BoogaardMatthew Jurman
Nick CowburnJacques Faty
Mateo PoljakMilos Dimitrijevic
Ben KantarovskiMickael Taveres
David CarneyChristopher Naumoff
Ryan KittoMilos Ninkovic
Enver AlivodicFilip Holosko
Milos TrifunovicGeorge Blackwood



FIXTURE RECORDS


Biggest Win

Jets 5 (Topor-Stanley 22’, Zadkovich 29’, Brockie 38’, Brockie 87’, Abbas 90’) – Sydney FC 2 (Moriyasu 47’, Beauchamp 71’), Round 7, Season 2011/12 at Sydney Football Stadium, 05/02/2012.

Heaviest Defeat

Jets 0 – Sydney FC 4 (Brosque 13’, Brosque 40’, Milligan 76 og’, Bridge 85’), Round 21, Season 2008/09 at Sydney Football Stadium, 25/01/2009.

Leading Scorers in fixture –


Jets - Milton Rodriguez, Ryan Griffiths, Jeremy Brockie, Michael Bridges, Jobe Wheelhouse (3)
FC - Alex Brosque (10)



2016/17 SEASON STATISTICS

NumberNameAppearancesStartsSubstitute AppearancesSubbed offMinutes PlayedGoalsAssistsYellow CardsRed - Second BookableStraight Red
2Daniel Mullen11016300000
3Jason Hoffman21118700000
4Nigel Boogaard330027020000
5Ben Kantarovski330124801000
6Steven Ugarkovic330027010100
7Andrew Hoole330027011100
8Mateo Poljak20208200000
9Aleksandr Kokko11013700000
10Wayne Brown330027010000
11Labinot Haliti1010100000
12Andy Brennan0000000000
13Ivan Vujica321019800000
14Mitch Cooper0000000000
15Andrew Nabbout330223702100
16Nick Cowburn330027000000
17Radovan Pavicevic0000000000
19Morten Nordstrand21117700000
20Jack Duncan330027000000
22Lachlan Jackson321115700000
23Devante Clut312117310000
24Kristian Brymora0000000000
28Johnny Koutroumbis0000000000
30Pierce Clark0000000000



COACHING

Coaches Head to Head – 0 matches
Mark Jones - 0 wins, Graham Arnold - 0 wins, 0 drawn

Newcastle Jets A-League Coaching Records –

Mark Jones - 0 matches (0 wins, 0 drawn, 0 losses = N/A% win ratio)
Scott Miller - 3 matches (0 win, 0 drawn, 3 losses = 0% win ratio)
Phil Stubbins - 3 matches (0 win, 1 draw, 2 losses = 0% win ratio)
Gary Van Egmond – 18 match (4 wins, 3 drawn and 11 losses = 22% win ratio)
Richard Money – 3 matches (1 wins, 2 drawn, 0 loss = 33% win ratio)
Branko Culina – 6 matches (1 win, 4 drawn, 1 loss = 17% win ratio)
Nick Theodorakopoulos – 1 match (0 wins, 1 drawn, 0 losses = 0% win ratio)
Craig Deans - No matches
Clayton Zane – 1 match (0 wins, 0 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)

Sydney FC Coach Record – Graham Arnold 56% win ratio (9 wins, 5 drawn, 2 losses)




TALKING POINTS:

Memorable Match - 5th February 2012

The Jets play some of the most fluid and attacking football ever seen in the club, demolishing Sydney 5-2 on their home turf. Goals to Topor-Stanley, Zadkovich, Abbas and a double from Brockie give the Jets their biggest win over Sydney as well as being the frist occassion the team scored 5 goals in a match.



General

The Jets are currently 10 matches without a win against Sydney. They've only achieved 2 draws during that time while they have lost the last 5 matches against Sydney.
The Jets have also only scored in one of the last 9 against Sydney. That was a 4-3 loss in Season 2014/15.
Sydney currently sit atop the table with 3 wins from their first 3 matches
Sydney haven't conceeded a goal in either the FFA Cup or the A-League this year - a run of 7 matches.



Players

Alex Brosque has scored 4 goals in his last 3 appearances against Newcastle.
Danny Vukovic will make his 35th appearance against the Jets. This is the most of any opposition player.
Nigel Boogaard is the first Jets centre back to score in consecutive matches. Should he score this week, he will be the first player to score in 3 consecutive matches since Edson Montano.
Former Jet David Carney will return to Newcastle for the first time since his mid-season departure from the club last year.



Newcastle Jets

The Jets have remained undefeated after the first 3 matches of a season only once before - 2007/08 when they started with a 5 match streak without loss.
If the Jets score this weekend, they will have scored in 8 consecutive A-League matches for the first time since the 2006/07 season, when the team scored in 10 matches in a row.
Newcastle have scored 7 goals in the first 3 matches this season - the most in their history. The previous record was 5 in season 2012/13.
The Jets have kept Sydney scoreless once in the last 22 matches.



Sydney FC

Sydney have never lost against the Jets when they score first.
The Jets are currently 284 minutes without scoring against Sydney.




Injuries

Newcastle Jets - Daniel Alessi - Knee (Season), Daniel Mullen - Knee (12 weeks), Ben Kennedy - Achilles (Season), Andrew Nabbout - Groin (3 weeks), Lachlan Jackson - Ankle (indefinte)

[plague]

Lose.
Doomed.
Jones out.

Prob come to the game though.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Leading Scorers
Jets - Nigel Boogaard (2)


fvck me that is not a good stat.

Too much hype going into this round. We'll lose by 3. 4-1 to Sh!tney.

[Jeterpool]

Lose.
Doomed.
Jones out.

Prob come to the game though.

Plague jr wants to see the planes fly over?

[plague]

Plague jr wants to see the planes fly over?

nah, he's been enjoying Sydney FC play this year so he's keen to go watch.

Flyover would be dope though.

[Jeterpool]

nah, he's been enjoying Sydney FC play this year so he's keen to go watch.

Flyover would be dope though.

Just another piece of the Jets gone to Sydney.

[The Dunster]

Jets will be too good for Sydney.

Jets 2 - Blue Khunts 0

[lquiquer]

Plague jr wants to see the planes fly over?

He might witness the Jets crash

[RAM]

We're ****ed without Nabbout and Jackson.

[Jeterpool]

We're ****ed without Nabbout and Jackson.

We're moving people around because of the injuries, but I'm not willing to throw the towel in.

I expect Kanta will be moved to CB and Poljak comes back into CM. It's a tough move but Brown will move out wide - Clut will work hard to provide the same amount of energy. Nordstrand will come back to lead the attack.

If Kokko is fit, Poljak to go back to the bench and Brown move back next to Ugarkovic, Nordstrand behind Kokko and Clut wide?

Another serious injury, particularly to a defender, and we will really be stretching thin.

[380]

Jones to pull a rabbit out of his hat and play Boogs and Hoff at 9 and 10 respectively.

[StannyCFCJET]

Why cant Noddy or Haliti play out wide??? isnt Kokko back?? and If we are serious about actually winning let alone finals football Kanta cant play Cb reguardless of injuries. Hasnt Cowburn played CB b4?

[hawk]

fvck me that is not a good stat.

Too much hype going into this round. We'll lose by 3. 4-1 to Sh!tney.

Usually this. We lay down to these grubs all to often.

I hope this group can turn it round.

[Hunter403]

Really want a win from us but with the injury toll and our record against the smurfs I am expecting the wheels to fall off this week. To add insult to injury Carney and The Beard to score

(Insert deity here), I hope we win!

[Jetmaster]

35 years ago....nothing has changed!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI0YCJTphJQ

80's Newy dominate and score two class goals. 80's Smurfs comeback controversially and equalise through ex 70's Newy legend (a 70's Griff).

Pandemonium as we feel ripped off.

[Jeterpool]

Why cant Noddy or Haliti play out wide??? isnt Kokko back?? and If we are serious about actually winning let alone finals football Kanta cant play Cb reguardless of injuries. Hasnt Cowburn played CB b4?

I don't think they have the legs to play the expected role of the wingers.

[StannyCFCJET]

I don't think they have the legs to play the expected role of the wingers.

Nobby played wing last year and Hailit played wing for us and WSW b4

[Jeterpool]

Nobby played wing last year and Hailit played wing for us and WSW b4

True. But this year we are expecting a lot more high intensity play from our wingers. Their speed has been a crucial factor in our success.
We saw last year how we struggled with slower wingers in Enver and Carney.
I don't think they are best suited to that role under our current game plan.

[rhysd]

Can see the Hoff getting the nod for the vacant wide spot just for his sheer pace and athleticism. Run the defence ragged and bring on a few clever players together at the end to rip in.

[Poshpom]

Nobby played wing last year and Hailit played wing for us and WSW b4

Both coming back from injury, with the pressing game the Jets are trying to play neither of them would last till half time!

[turbojetfireV8]

is Jones sure about that? I'm sure the fans wanna see him get stuck in to show em (and apparently we are finally signing Ma):
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4248487/hoole-has-nothing-to-prove-jones/?cs=3398

[halo se7en]

Jets 2-1. Ma to come on and hit a late winner to send our 1.357 billion Chinese fans into a frenzy.

[Frodo]

So leading goal scorer is Boogs, who hasn't been carded at all... Not even a customary Red.

And Kanta has an assist and no cards.

What The Fudge is going on. If we don't start losing soon i don't know what i'm going to do with myself.

[plague]

And Kanta has an assist and no cards.


are those homies still out there caping up for this garbage stat?

Here's your poster boy stopper2, Kanta for Johnny Warren medal!!!!!

[Bon]

This game has "getting fist-pumped" written all over it..
We will be slow, sluggish, unable to pass it. Sydney will be horsesh!t but we will still find a way to make them look great.. We always seem to buckle like a belt to these sky-blue pricks.
There will be a decent crowd (due to a Sat night and recent results), all of whom will get to witness us cop five up the jacksie..
In the immortal words of MJK, 'Relax, turn around and take my hand"

If I go in to the game believing we have no chance, then Arnold and his Fox Sports cronies can't take away the slivers of hope that I have left and there can be no disappointment..

[plague]

Mat Simon gonna Mat Simon all over us.

[Grimario]

Mat Simon gonna Mat Simon all over us.

Elbow people in the head, get sent off for a change.

One can home.

[borat]

is Jones sure about that? I'm sure the fans wanna see him get stuck in to show em (and apparently we are finally signing Ma):
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4248487/hoole-has-nothing-to-prove-jones/?cs=3398

It's round 4 and our Visa signing is not ready to play. This is bollocks. Would love to know what the excuse is considering how depleted the squad is.

[halo se7en]

It's round 4 and our Visa signing is not ready to play. This is bollocks. Would love to know what the excuse is considering how depleted the squad is.

Unless you want to throw Ma in as a CB, I'm not sure how his presence is going to account for our current injury problems. I'm more concerned that we haven't signed an injury replacement for either Mullen or Kennedy.

[borat]

Unless you want to throw Ma in as a CB, I'm not sure how his presence is going to account for our current injury problems. I'm more concerned that we haven't signed an injury replacement for either Mullen or Kennedy.

You are aware Nabbout is out for 3 weeks + yeah?

Ideally Ma slots straight in to LW and Hoole goes back to the right. Assuming he is actually up to A-league standard as promised by McKinna.

But instead we have signed a player, supposedly today, that isn't ready to play until round 5 or 6? The tour to china was 1-2 months ago and he has been here soft 2-3 weeks. Unless he is also been injured and unreported It's amateur hour.

[lquiquer]

Unless you want to throw Ma in as a CB, I'm not sure how his presence is going to account for our current injury problems. I'm more concerned that we haven't signed an injury replacement for either Mullen or Kennedy.

Isn't Nabbout injured?.... And Kokko?..... Isn't Ma a left offensive midfield?

[rhysd]

You are aware Nabbout is out for 3 weeks + yeah?

Ideally Ma slots straight in to LW and Hoole goes back to the right. Assuming he is actually up to A-league standard as promised by McKinna.

But instead we have signed a player, supposedly today, that isn't ready to play until round 5 or 6? The tour to china was 1-2 months ago and he has been here soft 2-3 weeks. Unless he is also been injured and unreported It's amateur hour.

Round 5/6 seems more appropriate to account for increased training loads and also considering there are already squad options ahead of him.

[borat]

Isn't Nabbout injured?.... And Kokko?..... Isn't Ma a left offensive midfield?

When we field a RB at LW during the game against WSW, I believe it's a reasonable question to ask why we have signed a Visa LW that seemingly isn't able to contribute on the field.

[borat]

Round 5/6 seems more appropriate to account for increased training loads and also considering there are already squad options ahead of him.

We are supposedly pushing our most effective midfielder out of position to cover for the lack of depth.

That's not squad options, that's signing a player who is either not up to it or unfit.

[Boss]

Really happy Kanta won't be ****ing things up in midfield.

[rhysd]

We are supposedly pushing our most effective midfielder out of position to cover for the lack of depth.

That's not squad options, that's signing a player who is either not up to it or unfit.

Haliti noddy Hoffman clut Brennan pavicevic brown
So i would say yeah

[borat]

Haliti noddy Hoffman clut Brennan pavicevic brown
So i would say yeah

So we signed a Visa player who is below the pecking order of Andy Brennan and our RB......that will ****ing do me. No wonder this club is such pish when it's supporters accept this no questions asked.

[rhysd]

So we signed a Visa player who is below the pecking order of Andy Brennan and our RB......that will ****ing do me. No wonder this club is such pish when it's supporters accept this no questions asked.

No, stop going off on all cylinders.

You asked if we had players in that position. We clearly do.

Given our current injuries I think it would border on the ridiculous to try and rush somebody into the team who the coaching staff clearly feels isn't ready to go just yet.

Calm your farm.

[The Camel]

So we signed a Visa player who is below the pecking order of Andy Brennan and our RB......that will ****ing do me. No wonder this club is such pish when it's supporters accept this no questions asked.

Why are you surprised. We all know that the Chinese player is ****ing gash. Have a look at the tweet Josh Mitchell sent about him after he player against them on tour. Owner has made us sign him. We all know he isn't up to scratch, the hope is that the owner does not force the coach to give him game time. We need to basically pretend he is not in the squad and that we only have 4 Visa players

[plague]

Just as an aside how good is it that Josh Mitchell turned out to be the most woke dude on twitter.

Brilliant.

Anyway back on topic etc etc.

[RAM]

You are aware Nabbout is out for 3 weeks + yeah?

Ideally Ma slots straight in to LW and Hoole goes back to the right. Assuming he is actually up to A-league standard as promised by McKinna.

But instead we have signed a player, supposedly today, that isn't ready to play until round 5 or 6? The tour to china was 1-2 months ago and he has been here soft 2-3 weeks. Unless he is also been injured and unreported It's amateur hour.

100%

[RAM]

When we field a RB at LW during the game against WSW, I believe it's a reasonable question to ask why we have signed a Visa LW that seemingly isn't able to contribute on the field.

100%

[RAM]

We are supposedly pushing our most effective midfielder out of position to cover for the lack of depth.

That's not squad options, that's signing a player who is either not up to it or unfit.

100%

[RAM]

Haliti noddy Hoffman clut Brennan pavicevic brown
So i would say yeah

None of whom are really left wingers.

[halo se7en]

Hasn't Nabbout been playing on the right? But yeah, Haliti et al., all seem more likely to contribute than Ma at this point. If Jones has no intention of playing him & he was a forced signing, then maybe we should applaud whatever it is he's doing to delay it.

My point remains, I'm more concerned about our depth across the back 5. If a defender or Duncan gets injured on Saturday we are well and truly ****ed. Who comes in!? We can use a makeshift winger for a game, we can't do that at the back.

[rhysd]

None of whom are really left wingers.

We were talking about nabbout who is playing on the right..

Hoole plays on the left. Leilei playing ahead of hoole?

[turbojetfireV8]

Until he proves otherwise I'm still gonna give Ma a chance to live up to the hype Jets management are piling on him, but if he is anywhere close to their glowing recommendations I reckon he must have been constantly injured for the last three years, which would make perfect sense then why we got to sign him... (still a bit bemused how he supposedly signed for a team 1 July 2016 in Portugal but was available for us to pick up, what changed? Division 2 in Portugal with a shopfront to Europe or even back to CSL would seem a more attractive option than an AL team that hasn't played finals football in yonks)

[furns]

Until he proves otherwise I'm still gonna give Ma a chance to live up to the hype Jets management are piling on him, but if he is anywhere close to their glowing recommendations I reckon he must have been constantly injured for the last three years, which would make perfect sense then why we got to sign him... (still a bit bemused how he supposedly signed for a team 1 July 2016 in Portugal but was available for us to pick up, what changed? Division 2 in Portugal with a shopfront to Europe or even back to CSL would seem a more attractive option than an AL team that hasn't played finals football in yonks)
I am guessing that was part of the fallout of Ledman insisting as part of their sponsorship of the Portugal 2nd div that all teams have a number of chinese players on their books. When the locals objected very strenuously, that got rescinded pretty quickly.

[turbojetfireV8]

well, at least that is a bit more info on why Ma hasn't been playing for years:

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4253356/jets-import-feeling-at-home-with-pressure/?cs=3398

mind you, his transfermarkt data said of his 15 CSL appearances 12 were off the bench, so he wasn't being used as a first stringer by Tianjin Teda at least based on that stat, but I'm still hopeful he can contribute, otherwise I can see him playing a lot of youth team football for us this season...

[Nou Camp]

I wonder how hard Sydney will press us this week considering how easy we coughed up the ball last week when WSW pressed

[RAM]

We were talking about nabbout who is playing on the right..

Hoole plays on the left. Leilei playing ahead of hoole?

Inverted wingers? FMD

[RAM]

Hasn't Nabbout been playing on the right? But yeah, Haliti et al., all seem more likely to contribute than Ma at this point. If Jones has no intention of playing him & he was a forced signing, then maybe we should applaud whatever it is he's doing to delay it.

My point remains, I'm more concerned about our depth across the back 5. If a defender or Duncan gets injured on Saturday we are well and truly ****ed. Who comes in!? We can use a makeshift winger for a game, we can't do that at the back.

Hoole can easily play on the right and Ma on the left.

[Grimario]

Newcastle Jets Squad: 3.Jason HOFFMAN, 4.Nigel BOOGAARD (C), 5.Ben KANTAROVSKI, 6.Steven UGARKOVIC, 7.Andrew HOOLE, 8.Mateo POLJAK, 9.Aleksandr KOKKO, 10.Wayne BROWN, 11.Labinot HALITI, 13.Ivan VUJICA, 16.Nicholas COWBURN, 17.Radovan PAVICEVIC, 19.Morten NORDSTRAND, 20.Jack DUNCAN (gk), 23.Devante CLUT, 28.Johnny KOUTROUMBIS, 30.Pierce CLARK (gk)
**one to be omitted**
Ins: 9.Aleksandr KOKKO (returns from injury), 17.Radovan PAVICEVIC (promoted), 28.Johnny KOUTROUMBIS (promoted)
Outs: 15.Andrew NABBOUT (groin - 1-3 weeks), 22.Lachlan JACKSON (ankle - indefinite)
Unavailable: 1.Ben KENNEDY (gk) (Achilles - season), 2.Daniel MULLEN (knee - indefinite), 21.Daniel ALESSI (knee - season)


Sydney FC squad: 1.Vedran JANJETOVIC (gk), 3.Riley WOODCOCK, 4.Alex WILKINSON, 5.Matt JURMAN, 6.Joshua BRILLANTE, 7.Michael ZULLO, 8.Milos DIMITRIJEVIC, 9.BOBÔ, 10.Milos NINKOVIC, 11.Bernie IBINI, 13.Brandon O’NEILL, 14.Alex BROSQUE (c), 17.David CARNEY, 18.Matt SIMON, 20.Danny VUKOVIC (gk), 21.Filip HOLOSKO, 22.Sebastian RYALL, 23.Rhyan GRANT
**two to be omitted**
Ins: 3.Riley WOODCOCK (promoted), 11.Bernie IBINI (promoted)
Outs: Nil
Unavailable: Nil

[hawk]

Sydney FC squad: 1.Vedran JANJETOVIC (gk), 3.Riley WOODCOCK, 4.Alex WILKINSON, 5.Matt JURMAN, 6.Joshua BRILLANTE, 7.Michael ZULLO, 8.Milos DIMITRIJEVIC, 9.BOBÔ, 10.Milos NINKOVIC, 11.Bernie IBINI, 13.Brandon O’NEILL, 14.Alex BROSQUE (c), 17.David CARNEY, 18.Matt SIMON, 20.Danny VUKOVIC (gk), 21.Filip HOLOSKO, 22.Sebastian RYALL, 23.Rhyan GRANT
**two to be omitted**


ffa said they can stay on

[Jeterpool]

Ref?

[Grimario]

Whoever Sydney pick, I guess.

[evanhayes5]

Lei Lei is severely and I mean severely, I been to 2 training sessions this week, he needs a full preseason by the looks of it.

Very good technically but physically has a lot to work on.

Been told Jones does not rate Kokko at all, has said he finds him lazy

[plague]

Been told Jones does not rate Kokko at all, has said he finds him lazy

i just hope he gets his assists stat up as quick as possible.

blokes on here will be crucifying him by seasons end.......

[Premy]

The game starts with us running South to North, first 15 we play all over Sydney and fail to score. The rest of the first half it's all one way traffic for Sydney but they fail to make any clear chances until they score just before H/T.

Second half we jag and early goal from a corner or set piece around the box, Sydney then go on to control the possession for the next 20 minutes and really pressure JD. All that pressure mounts to nothing so Arnie makes a few changes and Sydney open up a bit.

Jones calls on Haliti to warm up, the Turton Rd faithful lifts the atmosphere, Labi is sent out with 15 minutes to go. Sydney continue to press for the winner, it's breaks down the left and Hoole finds a lot of space ahead of him to run into. He drives into Sydneys half and whips in a nice early ball, it finds Labi perfectly, he takes a touch and comfortably slots it in for the late winner. The crowd erupts and Haliti runs to the Southern Hill, chest exposed he leaps the sponsors board and celebrates with crowd.

[Premy]

Ah who am I kidding.

Lose 4-0
Back to that regular empty feeling whilst departing Hunter Stadium.

[lquiquer]

Lei Lei is severely and I mean severely, I been to 2 training sessions this week, he needs a full preseason by the looks of it.

Very good technically but physically has a lot to work on.

Been told Jones does not rate Kokko at all, has said he finds him lazy

Physically has a lot to work on??!!!!.... FFS how old is the bloke?... Can't be that far behind physically... and how many weeks does it take to get to the other blokes fitness level? Blokes who train 8 hours a week with only few of them playing 90 minutes on top of that...... ****ing joke .... get the Chinese to run from MDJ stadium to Kurri once a day and he will be fit very quick.. .. top it up with weight sessions at the gym and ****ing bingo....

[borat]

And I ask again, WTF are we signing players in RD 4 of the competition who are not fit to play.

Lawrie assured all this player would be able to strongly compete. No other club would sign a player out of shape once the comp had well and truly started

[borat]

I wonder how hard Sydney will press us this week considering how easy we coughed up the ball last week when WSW pressed

Yup exactly, Wanderers gave the blueprint on how to beat us, just packed up shop too early before the job was done.

For mine this comes down to, and always has been there, Kanta's inability to hold the ball when pressed. He chokes and coughs it up all the time under pressure. Brown then played way too deep as we were constantly chasing the ball and Clut was completely isolated.

Once Nobby comes on suddenly there is an extra body downfield who is classy enough to hold the ball under pressure and distribute the pass.

I would like to see us go back to our Rd 1 midfield of Brown and Ugarkovic. Brown has the ability to get up and down the field that Poljak doesn't. Plus can hold the ball under pressure.

The problem this weeks team has is upfront. We have too many forwards who will not last 90mins. If you start any of Nobby, Kokko or Haliti you are also dedicating a replacement for them on the bench. You couldn't start 2 of them IMO. I would probably start Clut and Nobby.

Replacing Nabbout is the tough one. Jones could spring a surprise there

[evanhayes5]

I am srs, I watched him eagerly before I went to uni, he struggled to do things like single leg squats, single leg deadlifts and this was during the warm up.

Shows that he has a weak core, will get pushed off the ball easily in this league.

Saw him struggle in the run throughs as well. Cant do repeated sprints, It will take him at least another 2-3 weeks before he is even close to being fit enough on the bench. He doesnt strike me as the time of person that will do the extras, he has pink boots...

[RAM]

And I ask again, WTF are we signing players in RD 4 of the competition who are not fit to play.

Lawrie assured all this player would be able to strongly compete. No other club would sign a player out of shape once the comp had well and truly started

Yep - pathetic

[RAM]

I am srs, I watched him eagerly before I went to uni, he struggled to do things like single leg squats, single leg deadlifts and this was during the warm up.

Shows that he has a weak core, will get pushed off the ball easily in this league.

Saw him struggle in the run throughs as well. Cant do repeated sprints, It will take him at least another 2-3 weeks before he is even close to being fit enough on the bench. He doesnt strike me as the time of person that will do the extras, he has pink boots...

oh dear

[plague]

He doesnt strike me as the time of person that will do the extras, he has pink boots...

this is good foz talk.
evanhayes5 is righteous with his footballing knowledge

[Jetmaster]

Certainly hope seccos check tickets today in the western stand....fully expect travelling Smurfs to help themselves to seats in the member area. Even last week locals were just wandering in and helping themselves to empty seats without asking and only moving when the members turned up.

Why buy a membership in the sun when you can sit in the shaded gold section with little if any challenge?

[380]

Accommodating traveling fans is what we do , Middleby's law they call it.

[Hunter403]

I have turfed someone out of my gold seats at each home game this season and the majority of the last. Not a moment of embarrassment from any of them and the brain dead staff do nothing.

[plague]

I have turfed someone out of my gold seats at each home game this season and the majority of the last. Not a moment of embarrassment from any of them and the brain dead staff do nothing.

don't hate the player, hate the game.

[Hunter403]

don't hate the player, hate the game.
Deep..

[The Dunster]

I am srs, I watched him eagerly before I went to uni, he struggled to do things like single leg squats, single leg deadlifts and this was during the warm up.

Shows that he has a weak core, will get pushed off the ball easily in this league.

Saw him struggle in the run throughs as well. Cant do repeated sprints, It will take him at least another 2-3 weeks before he is even close to being fit enough on the bench. He doesnt strike me as the time of person that will do the extras, he has pink boots...

Sounds like a marquee signing to me. You must be new to the Jets. Welcome to the abortion.

[The Dunster]

I have major concerns about some of these young Jets players given Sebastian Ryalls history.

[belchardo]

Some outstanding marshmallow defending there.

[belchardo]

I don't think the back three is working.

Nice work by duncan to push him wider though.

[Hunter403]

Looked like a foul on us in the lead up to that goal.
Kanta's passing is dire.
We have had little or no ball and when we do, their press is killing us.
There's the beat Jets roadmap.

[The Dunster]

Nincovich is an absolute grub. Made three dodgy tackles and still no card.

[Wilso8948]

Duncan's distribution led to that goal. Didn't make halfway and way too much pressure on whoever it was that turned it over

[The Dunster]

Sydney not that impressive. If we can score next we will win the game. Commentators talking shit at half time you would think Sydney are the greatest team in the world.

[belchardo]

I reckon there were about 5 fouls in 2 minutes by sydney around the 30 minute mark. Surely that's worth a card. Sydney just about kicking the shit out of us.

How did ug miss?

We're coming back into it, some promising signs but I'm sure sydney will get a rocket at half time.

[Wilso8948]

How we've set up I fully expect Sydney to have all the possession. What shits me to tears is how poor we are we when do get it

[belchardo]

How we've set up I fully expect Sydney to have all the possession. What shits me to tears is how poor we are we when do get it

Midfield seemed to be missing for most of the half.

[belchardo]

There are 5 players in the midfield. How is any sydney player unmarked at the top of the box?

By the way, stevie Ug, that's how you do it.

[The Dunster]

what about the foul before the goall ? FArrrrrrrrrrk this ref is terrible

[The Dunster]

Looking forward to seeing Perth destroy Sydney and shut Cockerill the **** up.

[Hunter403]

Sydney not that impressive. If we can score next we will win the game. Commentators talking shit at half time you would think Sydney are the greatest team in the world.

Sorry Dunster. Can't agree. They are significantly better than us. Everything from individual skills to movement to press. Men and boys today.

And i hate saying it.

[belchardo]

My 94 year old grandmother has more energy than any of our guys on the pitch today.

And better eyesight than the ref. And apparently the assistant ref too.

[belchardo]

Oh for ****s sake. Did the ref forget his cards?

[hawk]

Usually this. We lay down to these grubs all to often.

I hope this group can turn it round.

Nope. History repeats

With no help from the muppet in yellow and regardless of roster we have we still put in the usual disorganised insipid performance against the vermin smurfs.

Well done coaching staff and some players who didnt have a go. Wonder if we gave the raaf a feeling of pride.

[belchardo]

Looks like matt simon is about to come on. No doubt with a handful of salt for our wounds.

[belchardo]

So that looks like another serious knee injury to kanta.

[The Dunster]

Sorry Dunster. Can't agree. They are significantly better than us. Everything from individual skills to movement to press. Men and boys today.

And i hate saying it.

Significantly better than us today means anyone in NBN League or better. Sydney for me still nowhere near Perth.

[Hunter403]

Significantly better than us today means anyone in NBN League or better. Sydney for me still nowhere near Perth.

Agree with that.

[belchardo]

How can we be so shit at finishing?

What a pathetic effort by all. No need for anybody to start a MOTM thread this week.

[The Dunster]

I still think it was more how bad we were than how good Sydney was. A good side would have put 7 past the Jets like what happened last season.

[hawk]

How can we be so shit at finishing?

What a pathetic effort by all. No need for anybody to start a MOTM thread this week.

cvnt of the match. ref wins closely followed by stinkybitch and wilkinsin

[WolfMan]

Sorry Dunster. Can't agree. They are significantly better than us. Everything from individual skills to movement to press. Men and boys today.

And i hate saying it.

+1

But we sure can make opponents look like world-beaters

[steve136]

Wish those Hornets had flown back over 10 minutes into this game and dropped a bomb so we didn't have to witness any more of that pathetic display.

Absolutely hopeless. Kanta is absolute garbage. At one stage he missed his target on a pass by 20m. Ugarkovic chocked away any chance we had with a miss that will make plenty of highlight videos. Our tactics are ineffective, our defence is porous, our coach is out of his depth.

Basically though, we have no talent in our squad. But we're just building towards next year right? Again. Let's not kid ourselves - we got dominated by Adelaide and got a lucky draw, outplayed a useless Brisbane team, got dominated by Western Sydney and snagged a draw through a goalkeeping error and got dominated by Sydney FC.

It's fun being a Jets fan.

[steve136]

So that looks like another serious knee injury to kanta.

Will never celebrate an injury to a player. That's unfortunate for Kanta.

At the same time, I can't see this reducing the quality of our squad at all.

[WolfMan]

For mine, coaching staff got the formation and tactics completely wrong today.

Not sure what I would have done differently, mind you.

Midfield was paper thin, the experiment with allowing Hoole and Brown to swap roles throughout just did not work. Hoffman did his best, but seemed caught between the role of a wide midfielder and his usual RB position.

Looked like Stevie UG was asked to push forward more, but it left the centre of the park dangerously exposed with just Poljak standing sentry when the inevitable wave of sky blue rolled through.

Hoping the staff and players can learn some quick lessons from this performance.

Take nothing away from Sydney. They controlled the game well. Wish we played that fluidly

[hawk]

Let's not kid ourselves - we got dominated by Adelaide and got a lucky draw, outplayed a useless Brisbane team, got dominated by Western Sydney and snagged a draw through a goalkeeping error and got dominated by Sydney FC.

If you had of said this last week the positive crowd would have killed you with kale and smashed avo.

[steve136]

If you had of said this last week the positive crowd would have killed you with kale and smashed avo.

The same crowd that forgot how sh*t Hoole is just because Redmayne is useless.

[lquiquer]

How can we be so shit at finishing?

What a pathetic effort by all. No need for anybody to start a MOTM thread this week.

Joshi MOTM for NOT picking us

[halo se7en]

All doom & gloom. We are guaranteed to put in this performance every season to Sydney. It's not fun, but it's hardly a reason to think the sky is falling. We played Kanta at CB which is always worrying, Poljak starting his first match (I'm pretty sure?) and no Nabbout. Between the Sydney goals, they didn't threaten very often. I think we were hoping to let them have the ball in non-dangerous positions and maybe run over them in the second. A 7 minute goal spoiled that, and lets face it, the quality in that squad shits all over us. They've played 3 other sides who couldn't score against them either, and they've scored 11 goals in 4. They're riding high and I don't think our performance was terrible all things considered. Certainly wasn't 6-1 at home to Perth terrible.

[lquiquer]

For 70 minutes Jones didn't change **** all......And what's the go with Chest? Where is he?

[The Dunster]

All doom & gloom. We are guaranteed to put in this performance every season to Sydney. It's not fun, but it's hardly a reason to think the sky is falling. We played Kanta at CB which is always worrying, Poljak starting his first match (I'm pretty sure?) and no Nabbout. Between the Sydney goals, they didn't threaten very often. I think we were hoping to let them have the ball in non-dangerous positions and maybe run over them in the second. A 7 minute goal spoiled that, and lets face it, the quality in that squad shits all over us. They've played 3 other sides who couldn't score against them either, and they've scored 11 goals in 4. They're riding high and I don't think our performance was terrible all things considered. Certainly wasn't 6-1 at home to Perth terrible.

Agreed. Still looking forward to watching it all fall apart on Sydney and seeing Arnie have a meltdown once Sydney's hopes of reaching the finals are ended.

[Retro Jet]

The only game I saw was Newcastle Scarf Thieves 1 - Sh!tney Potty Mouths 0
:brrr:

[StannyCFCJET]

For 70 minutes Jones didn't change **** all......And what's the go with Chest? Where is he?

This is my problem and not just with this game. We constantly wait till 70mins to make changes when were losing or tactics dont work and this 2 defenders on the bench thing CAN **** RIGHT OFF

[Wilso8948]

Clut showed he should be knocking on the door for a starting spot. Nordstrand was a little disappointing but looks under done. For how poor Hoole is technically I'll give him this.. he was one of only A very few that looked like they gave a shit out there today.

[plague]

wait?
so Mark Jones isn't the worlds best coach?
but aren't we sticking a boot in, playing for the shirt, putting in a shift etc etc etc?

[rhysd]

For mine, coaching staff got the formation and tactics completely wrong today.

Not sure what I would have done differently, mind you.

Midfield was paper thin, the experiment with allowing Hoole and Brown to swap roles throughout just did not work. Hoffman did his best, but seemed caught between the role of a wide midfielder and his usual RB position.

Looked like Stevie UG was asked to push forward more, but it left the centre of the park dangerously exposed with just Poljak standing sentry when the inevitable wave of sky blue rolled through.

Hoping the staff and players can learn some quick lessons from this performance.

Take nothing away from Sydney. They controlled the game well. Wish we played that fluidly

Credit goes to the man willing to at least change it up but it obviously didn't work.

Looked far more dangerous and potent when we had the combo of kokko-noddy and then kokko-clut.

With nabbout being out it would have been the perfect opportunity for a 442 with diamond 4 midfield.. Namely to allow a clever player such as clut to play behind the strikers. Would have had the added advantage of placing pressure on Sydney higher up the pitch and starving their attackers time with the ball.

Both Sydney goals were from jets errors.

1-1 at the break if ugarkovic scores, however, changes the context of the game entirely.

Sydney weren't a class outfit, just better in individual areas today.

On to next week.

[plague]

also, spent a bit of time amongst the mongs. the barney in bay 2 really didnt get testy until there were a good half dozen blokes between the protagonists.
shame really.

also, there are a lot of people in that area who are overweight and need to look after their diets and lifestyle.

also, one bloke was giving Carney all the devon jokes he could muster whilst his (overweight) friend stood there hoping in vain that no one would notice the helicopter landing pad perched on top of his bonce.

i didnt enjoy my time with the mongs.

although there was a bloke there who is the living embodiment of what i expect SuperDylan to look like and he looked like he was having a good time to i was pleased to see that.

[halo se7en]

This is my problem and not just with this game. We constantly wait till 70mins to make changes when were losing or tactics dont work and this 2 defenders on the bench thing CAN **** RIGHT OFF

Considering Jones had nothing to do with what the previous few managers have done, maybe give him benefit of the doubt? We could have made 11 subs tonight and I don't think anything would have changed.

[Wilso8948]

also, spent a bit of time amongst the mongs. the barney in bay 2 really didnt get testy until there were a good half dozen blokes between the protagonists.
shame really.

also, there are a lot of people in that area who are overweight and need to look after their diets and lifestyle.

also, one bloke was giving Carney all the devon jokes he could muster whilst his (overweight) friend stood there hoping in vain that no one would notice the helicopter landing pad perched on top of his bonce.

i didnt enjoy my time with the mongs.

although there was a bloke there who is the living embodiment of what i expect SuperDylan to look like and he looked like he was having a good time to i was pleased to see that.

This is better then any match summary we will get tonight.

[Jeterpool]

This is my problem and not just with this game. We constantly wait till 70mins to make changes when were losing or tactics dont work and this 2 defenders on the bench thing CAN **** RIGHT OFF

To be fair we've been making changes when players get injured. I recall 3 v Adelaide. 2 v wsw and 1 at least v syd though Nordstrand was hobbling before taken off.

Out ability to influence from the bench has been limited to one match which we were 3-0 up by the 70th minute so we were influencing nought. Plus the copious injuries have limited who is actually fit to sit on the bench as it stands.

But by all means please carry on thinking the way you are.

[borat]

Jones lost this game. First he fields the wrong team, Ultra defensive, then lined up with 5 at the back after playing 442 for the past 9-10 games. Of course it fails miserably and we abandon it. No wonder the players played like they were defeated from kick off.

I wonder which of those FIFA courses taught him how to lose your nerve and park the bus.

[Jeterpool]

Jones lost this game. First he fields the wrong team, Ultra defensive, then lined up with 5 at the back after playing 442 for the past 9-10 games. Of course it fails miserably and we abandon it. No wonder the players played like they were defeated from kick off.

I wonder which of those FIFA courses taught him how to lose your nerve and park the bus.

This.

[halo se7en]

Jones lost this game. First he fields the wrong team, Ultra defensive, then lined up with 5 at the back after playing 442 for the past 9-10 games. Of course it fails miserably and we abandon it. No wonder the players played like they were defeated from kick off.

I wonder which of those FIFA courses taught him how to lose your nerve and park the bus.

With the squad available, are you saying we should have taken the game to them? We would have got slaughtered, and I would have taken a dour 0-0 draw in a heartbeat

[380]

Jones lost this game. First he fields the wrong team, Ultra defensive, then lined up with 5 at the back after playing 442 for the past 9-10 games. Of course it fails miserably and we abandon it. No wonder the players played like they were defeated from kick off.

I wonder which of those FIFA courses taught him how to lose your nerve and park the bus.


This . Jones was terrible tonight

[borat]

With the squad available, are you saying we should have taken the game to them? We would have got slaughtered, and I would have taken a dour 0-0 draw in a heartbeat

No, we should have played how we prepared all pre-season and played 442. He also should have not started a full back in the front line. Starting negatively is the worst thing we could do against SFC.

Jones suddenly felt the need to change how we play to suit the opposition rather than playing to our strengths.

On top of that he stupidly gets quoted in the press that we are going to keep them scoreless. That article was ridiculous and he should have shut his mouth. You can be sure Arnie used it for motivation.

Starting 5 At the back sets a mindset that we suddenly need to play differently because SFC are something special. It immediately psyches the players out, and as you saw, was simple for Arnold to overcome. Zullo had free license to bomb on as much as he liked, we sat back on our heels and got what we deserved. Then the formation you imagine we trained in prep for gets tossed out after 15 mins.

[halo se7en]

No, we should have played how we prepared all pre-season and played 442. He also should have not started a full back in the front line. Starting negatively is the worst thing we could do against SFC.

Jones suddenly felt the need to change how we play to suit the opposition rather than playing to our strengths.

On top of that he stupidly gets quoted in the press that we are going to keep them scoreless. That article was ridiculous and he should have shut his mouth. You can be sure Arnie used it for motivation.

Starting 5 At the back sets a mindset that we suddenly need to play differently because SFC are something special. It immediately psyches the players out, and as you saw, was simple for Arnold to overcome. Zullo had free license to bomb on as much as he liked, we sat back on our heels and got what we deserved. Then the formation you imagine we trained in prep for gets tossed out after 15 mins.

Yeah fair point.

[borat]

The Jetstream (free plug :p)have been discussing how much of what we have been seeing is Miller and how much is Jones. I think the quote was Miller cooked the meal and Jones add the seasoning.

Well Jones can take all the credit for this dogs breakfast.

[Couscous]

I did not enjoy this game.

[GazFish35]

Did my eyes deceive me or did we play across the back?


Happy to be wrong, I had a 4 and 7 year arguing over seats most of the game.

[furns]

The Jetstream (free plug :p)have been discussing how much of what we have been seeing is Miller and how much is Jones. I think the quote was Miller cooked the meal and Jones add the seasoning.

Well Jones can take all the credit for this dogs breakfast.
Holy sh*t someone remembered one of my quotes :)

[sorefootballer]

I met a squadron member tonight of yester year who is still so disillusioned by the active support that it frustrates me so much we still cannot get it right. Whether it be on the field of on the stands.

[halo se7en]

No, we should have played how we prepared all pre-season and played 442. He also should have not started a full back in the front line. Starting negatively is the worst thing we could do against SFC.

Jones suddenly felt the need to change how we play to suit the opposition rather than playing to our strengths.

On top of that he stupidly gets quoted in the press that we are going to keep them scoreless. That article was ridiculous and he should have shut his mouth. You can be sure Arnie used it for motivation.

Starting 5 At the back sets a mindset that we suddenly need to play differently because SFC are something special. It immediately psyches the players out, and as you saw, was simple for Arnold to overcome. Zullo had free license to bomb on as much as he liked, we sat back on our heels and got what we deserved. Then the formation you imagine we trained in prep for gets tossed out after 15 mins.

Now that I've had time to think about it, I don't agree. Unfortunately our biggest strength so far this season is sitting on the sidelines for the next 2-3 weeks. Plus we have two import strikers who are both underdone. With the reshuffle/changes needed in both midfield and defence, Jones obviously thought extra strength was required back there against a very strong offensive team. Their goals didn't come from bad tactics or formation but one or two players switching off at the wrong moment. I don't remember Duncan making a save all match. Apart from the first 10 minutes, I don't remember any extended spell where Sydney threatened our goal. Possession was close to equal, they didn't pepper our goal, and resorted to kicking us off the park in the second half when we got a bit of momentum.

Not considering the opposition when planning for a match is suicide. Even the top teams in the world change tactics/formations/players based on what works better against the opposition.

Should we just stubbornly stick to our preseason formation/tactics no matter what? We've crucified most of our managers in the past for being so rigid. And let's face it, our tactics last week didn't translate to an impressive performance. Jones, who's been in the seat for 5 minutes remember, at least had the balls to try something different.

[The Dunster]

Both goals involved fouls on Newcastle players that were ignored and led immediately to Sydney scoring. Well done to Sydney for converting the opportunities into goals . Add to that the fact the Jets had a lot of players out / unavailable, players in unfamiliar positions, and the fact that Sydney players were granted amnesty from being carded - and the odds were certainly stacked against the Jets.

But so what, this has been going on since Newcastle v Sydney games have existed.
I still think Sydney deserved the win as they managed to convert their opportunities. However, I really don't think there was that much in the game.

If Ref carded Nincovich like he could have Sydney might have been a man down, and if he stopped play for fouls against Jets leading to Sydney scoring then you would wonder where the goals were going to come from.

Again, not saying Jets were robbed just making the point that it's a very fine line between winning and losing which a lot of people seem to dismiss here.

I do though agree with Borats comments about starting 5 at the back giving Sydney more respect than they deserve. And commenting about keeping Sydney scoreless pretty much told Arnie how the Jets would set up as well.

Jets have work to do no doubt but based on previous years I still think we are travelling pretty well.

The most impressive thing about the team this season was the new found speed we had up front - yesterday Jones decided to leave a big part of it on the bench.

[Jetmaster]

The day I know things have changed wil be the day we go on the front foot and have a crack at home in the first 15 mins.

Such a long time since we had the confidence and speed to do that.

[halo se7en]

The day I know things have changed wil be the day we go on the front foot and have a crack at home in the first 15 mins.

Such a long time since we had the confidence and speed to do that.

Aside from our last home game v Brisbane you mean?

[Jetmaster]

We didn't dominate that half though. What I mean is a class side comes here, we always sit back an absorb with too much respect. I remember three games where the best side in the league came here and we went for them. Melbourne Victory where we won 4-0...Gold Coast when they came here as the new glam side and Roar in their pomp when we scared the crap out of them though we lost.

Classy sides don't like it up em.

[redwah]

Clut showed he should be knocking on the door for a starting spot. Nordstrand was a little disappointing but looks under done. For how poor Hoole is technically I'll give him this.. he was one of only A very few that looked like they gave a shit out there today.

Are you kidding? Hoole is the epitome of young guys today. He walks around the park with a shitty look on his face and puts no effort in unless the ball is within 2 yards of him, then blows up when he loses it without putting any effort in to win it back. Last night he sulked his way around while letting a bloke at least 10 years older and clearly not 100% do all the pressing by himself. If he stopped thinking he's "made it" and put some effort in, tried to look like he's enjoying himself then he might actually improve and actually enjoy himself.......

[StannyCFCJET]

Are you kidding? Hoole is the epitome of young guys today. He walks around the park with a shitty look on his face and puts no effort in unless the ball is within 2 yards of him, then blows up when he loses it without putting any effort in to win it back. Last night he sulked his way around while letting a bloke at least 10 years older and clearly not 100% do all the pressing by himself. If he stopped thinking he's "made it" and put some effort in, tried to look like he's enjoying himself then he might actually improve and actually enjoy himself.......

Absolutely agree with this

[Hunter403]

My 2 cents worth
Hoffman was confused as to his role
Kanta is not a CB and his passing was inaccurate and ineffective
Hoole. tried harder than I have seen in him in ages. Trying to prove something to Arnie? However his efforts were let down by his lack of ability.
We looked a lot better with Clut on the field
We looked a lot better when Nobby is in the game

The first goal came from another turn over and a smurf foul. Should have been a free kick to us.
We should have been awarded a penalty? Looked like it from where I was but am yet to see the replay.

Overall:
You beat the Jets by pressing them in their back and mid third. We can't shift it fast enough and our players do not have the individual skill to buy themselves an extra second or two.
Jones had no answer tactically yesterday. Yes I know some of his subs were forced but he didn't seem to change anything before he made subs. Perhaps he should have watched Wellington last week.
Kokko looked ok on the ball. Can't wait to see him fit and starting.
Did anyone else see the way Brosque gets between the lines to get the ball? There is a lesson for any young forward. Take a look Hooley!
Boogs less involved yesterday. Covering for Kanta?
We really missed Nabbout.
Brown was a little less effective. Probably because he was almost back to our 18 looking for the ball!!

[The Dunster]

My 2 cents worth
Hoffman was confused as to his role
Kanta is not a CB and his passing was inaccurate and ineffective
Hoole. tried harder than I have seen in him in ages. Trying to prove something to Arnie? However his efforts were let down by his lack of ability.
We looked a lot better with Clut on the field
We looked a lot better when Nobby is in the game

The first goal came from another turn over and a smurf foul. Should have been a free kick to us.
We should have been awarded a penalty? Looked like it from where I was but am yet to see the replay.

Overall:
You beat the Jets by pressing them in their back and mid third. We can't shift it fast enough and our players do not have the individual skill to buy themselves an extra second or two.
Jones had no answer tactically yesterday. Yes I know some of his subs were forced but he didn't seem to change anything before he made subs. Perhaps he should have watched Wellington last week.
Kokko looked ok on the ball. Can't wait to see him fit and starting.
Did anyone else see the way Brosque gets between the lines to get the ball? There is a lesson for any young forward. Take a look Hooley!
Boogs less involved yesterday. Covering for Kanta?
We really missed Nabbout.
Brown was a little less effective. Probably because he was almost back to our 18 looking for the ball!!

Agree. Might also note Harper and Cockerill laughing when Jets didn't receive the penalty. If it were Sydney getting a penalty turned down they would have been questioning everyone from the ball boys to the head of FIFA.

[WolfMan]

Hunter403 is my Spirit Animal. Superman to my Clark Kent

[Wilso8948]

My 2 cents worth
Hoffman was confused as to his role
Kanta is not a CB and his passing was inaccurate and ineffective
Hoole. tried harder than I have seen in him in ages. Trying to prove something to Arnie? However his efforts were let down by his lack of ability.
We looked a lot better with Clut on the field
We looked a lot better when Nobby is in the game

The first goal came from another turn over and a smurf foul. Should have been a free kick to us.
We should have been awarded a penalty? Looked like it from where I was but am yet to see the replay.

Overall:
You beat the Jets by pressing them in their back and mid third. We can't shift it fast enough and our players do not have the individual skill to buy themselves an extra second or two.
Jones had no answer tactically yesterday. Yes I know some of his subs were forced but he didn't seem to change anything before he made subs. Perhaps he should have watched Wellington last week.
Kokko looked ok on the ball. Can't wait to see him fit and starting.
Did anyone else see the way Brosque gets between the lines to get the ball? There is a lesson for any young forward. Take a look Hooley!
Boogs less involved yesterday. Covering for Kanta?
We really missed Nabbout.
Brown was a little less effective. Probably because he was almost back to our 18 looking for the ball!!
Yeh agree except I don't believe the first goal should have been a foul. Felt it was poor distribution from Duncan putting the mid under too much pressure. The second was a foul on hoole.
Regarding Hoole he frustrates me as much as anyone. And he has the touch of a rapist. But yesterday I felt he gave a bit more. Although completely lacked class. I think we need to start pushing Uga to start playing that screening role on his own. I think Poljak is far too average to waste a starting spot on.
Also not into bagging Jones with regarding tactics. 5-2-1-2 (or however you want to look at it) really turns into a 3-4-3 in attack and transition. The problem yesterday was that we completely lacked any ability to move quickly in transition and looked forward. The amount of simple passes that didn't go to foot or stupid balls hoofed into the corner was unacceptable. We lacked quality as usual but I think with someone like Uga who could be developed into someone who provides the pivot role and connects the last third with our front third. Ala isaias

[scarfy96]

My 2c worth.

Hoff had no idea in the first half and couldn't cross to save his life in the 2nd.

5 in the backline was a joke, neither Hoff nor Cowburn knew who was supposed to be marking who and it left Zullo with half a park and no pressure. 2nd half at least Hoff got out of Cowburns way but then just wanted to turn it back all the time, did he think Dutchy was still in charge?

I think Hoff should have started on the bench, Hoole right, Clute left, Noddy and Brown in the middle. Clute could rotate in at times and switch with Brown to mix up.

As it was we sat back gave them room and only occasionally threatened when our wingers got forward which was rare.

Kanta couldn't pass to save his life last night. Any report on him? Season ending knee injury was what it looked like as he was carried off.

[baldrick]

Are you kidding? Hoole is the epitome of young guys today. He walks around the park with a shitty look on his face and puts no effort in unless the ball is within 2 yards of him, then blows up when he loses it without putting any effort in to win it back. Last night he sulked his way around while letting a bloke at least 10 years older and clearly not 100% do all the pressing by himself. If he stopped thinking he's "made it" and put some effort in, tried to look like he's enjoying himself then he might actually improve and actually enjoy himself.......

Nice to see you've started to mellow in your old age.

[redwah]

Nice to see you've started to mellow in your old age.

You should have seen what I deleted before I posted the reply....

[plague]

My 2 cents worth


My 2c worth.


Keep these up boys, we are only a few more posts away from being able to afford Marc Warren.....

[redwah]

Keep these up boys, we are only a few more posts away from being able to afford Marc Warren.....

:wtf:ban them before we can!!

[halo se7en]

Keep these up boys, we are only a few more posts away from being able to afford Marc Warren.....

Typical jets, overpaying for shite.

[Hunter403]

Hunter403 is my Spirit Animal. Superman to my Clark Kent

All hail the Wolf!

[hawk]

agreeing with nearly all above on this game. My biggest beef is always giving smurfs easy wins.

Bigger picture, we have the potential to win more games this year than last IF we can get a full squad on.

Where was lie lie?

[Wilso8948]

In the stands

[Hunter403]

Where was lie lie?

In bed bed......

[GazFish35]

Where was lie lie?

wherever he says he was I don't believe him

[RAM]

Wish those Hornets had flown back over 10 minutes into this game and dropped a bomb so we didn't have to witness any more of that pathetic display.

:rof:

[RAM]

Considering Jones had nothing to do with what the previous few managers have done, maybe give him benefit of the doubt? We could have made 11 subs tonight and I don't think anything would have changed.

No.

This club and its supporters have accepted shite for 6+ years and this is the result.

No excuses for Jones for coming in without "his" squad or anything to that effect.

The team performed well (ish) for 3 weeks, we'll give him the benefit of the doubt for that game but he can't rely on excuses come March.

[Wilso8948]

No.

This club and its supporters have accepted shite for 6+ years and this is the result.

No excuses for Jones for coming in without "his" squad or anything to that effect.

The team performed well (ish) for 3 weeks, we'll give him the benefit of the doubt for that game but he can't rely on excuses come March.

I think he was more making talking about waiting till the 70th minute to make subs as opposed to complaining about the squad he has available. But please. Continue.

[Nou Camp]

I get why kanta cops a lot of his criticism and rightly so his passing has been terrible (the same as most of our midfield) but defensively I thought was very good and kept bobo very quiet
vujica hoole hoofman were way worse than kanta but haven't been spoken about

Stevie Ugs miss was the most crucial part of the game

[Macca]

Both goals involved fouls on Newcastle players that were ignored and led immediately to Sydney scoring. Well done to Sydney for converting the opportunities into goals . Add to that the fact the Jets had a lot of players out / unavailable, players in unfamiliar positions, and the fact that Sydney players were granted amnesty from being carded - and the odds were certainly stacked against the Jets.

But so what, this has been going on since Newcastle v Sydney games have existed.
I still think Sydney deserved the win as they managed to convert their opportunities. However, I really don't think there was that much in the game.

If Ref carded Nincovich like he could have Sydney might have been a man down, and if he stopped play for fouls against Jets leading to Sydney scoring then you would wonder where the goals were going to come from.

Again, not saying Jets were robbed just making the point that it's a very fine line between winning and losing which a lot of people seem to dismiss here.

I do though agree with Borats comments about starting 5 at the back giving Sydney more respect than they deserve. And commenting about keeping Sydney scoreless pretty much told Arnie how the Jets would set up as well.

Jets have work to do no doubt but based on previous years I still think we are travelling pretty well.

The most impressive thing about the team this season was the new found speed we had up front - yesterday Jones decided to leave a big part of it on the bench.

Agree with most of this, their goals came pretty easy from errors and/or fouls. They had a few more chances as well that could have been taken. But we had some great chances ourselves, Ugar's obviously but I reckon in the last 10 minutes alone we had 3+ excellent chances to score. Not a great result but it easily could have been a different one, and that's before you even consider we have what, a half dozen players out injured, Nordstrand probably still a little underdone, Kokko making his first appearance off the bench, and finally I wonder what the squad value comparison between Jets and Sydney would be?

The first half was a pretty poor showing, possession poorly held and it was frustrating to watch Hoole? I think it was tried a half dozen fancy flicks that went nowhere. When we're struggling to hold onto it for 30 seconds with basic passing and minimal pressure, I don't think upping the ante is a smart move. But anyway, second half, concede early again, but we grew into the game I think and the last 20 minutes or more I thought we were all over them really. Possibly they were instructed to play more cautiously to preserve the lead but I don't think they were very secure with it, we had a couple of great moves and chances / close calls. It's great to see several times already this season our team coming home stronger than the opposition, really chasing late goals.

Hoffman struggled on the wing but I wasn't expecting much anyway. Hoole frustratingly still missing a couple of things to turn from an almost there into a genuine threat. Vujica good again. Ugar wasn't as good as usual I didn't think. Kokko looked like he might be handy when he came on. I thought Clut had a massive impact when he came on and agree with whoever else reckoned he must be close to a starting spot. Was involved in the majority of our late attacking moves in a big way and was very dangerous.

Still feeling good about the season. Given how our depleted squad went I think our squad is fine. Kokko will probably slot in as a starter in a couple weeks and potentially the chinese left winger to improve that side. Get rid of some of the shit errors out of our game and we should be competitive with just about everyone.

[stopper2]

^^^^
Not saying you guys are wrong with your assessments of the match, our injury list, errors, ref decisions going against us etc but lets face the reality of the situation and be honest....Sydney just had too much quality on the park. Just the little things, basic passes and decision making SFC seemed to do effortlessly while we struggled for the most part. This is why SFC will be challenging for a top two position this season while we once again will be in a scrap for that 6th finals spot.
if anyone thinks otherwise, they are delusional or do not know the game.

[Jardelsimage]

^^^^
Not saying you guys are wrong with your assessments of the match, our injury list, errors, ref decisions going against us etc but lets face the reality of the situation and be honest....Sydney just had too much quality on the park. Just the little things, basic passes and decision making SFC seemed to do effortlessly while we struggled for the most part. This is why SFC will be challenging for a top two position this season while we once again will be in a scrap for that 6th finals spot.
if anyone thinks otherwise, they are delusional or do not know the game.

correct, we are not doing the basics right and what is with the back heals, is this a new tactic from Jonesy.....we struggle to pass it to a player when we are looking at them FFS.

[Macca]

^^^^
Not saying you guys are wrong with your assessments of the match, our injury list, errors, ref decisions going against us etc but lets face the reality of the situation and be honest....Sydney just had too much quality on the park. Just the little things, basic passes and decision making SFC seemed to do effortlessly while we struggled for the most part. This is why SFC will be challenging for a top two position this season while we once again will be in a scrap for that 6th finals spot.
if anyone thinks otherwise, they are delusional or do not know the game.

I think this line of thinking is skewed a bit by our club's recent history. I agree Sydney were the better team on the weekend. However I don't think the difference was that big, and from where people are predicting Sydney to finish, I think that people saying we will be bottom feeders again seems pessimistic. We may well end up struggling, I don't think anyone can tell at this point. But I think unlike previously its not a foregone conclusion at this stage, and personally I think we're a fair shot of a mid table or better finish.

I haven't really watched any of the other league games this year so I'm not sure who the "contenders" are at this point, however potentially insignificant that is at this stage. Only things I've heard are Sydney (4/4 wins, 0 conceded) and City have had a couple of good results and their lineup looks fantastic. Don't know much about the others. But I don't think Sydney looked that great on the weekend. Not bad certainly - but not overly impressive. Only time will tell how the season pans out I guess.

[RAM]

I think this line of thinking is skewed a bit by our club's recent history. I agree Sydney were the better team on the weekend. However I don't think the difference was that big, and from where people are predicting Sydney to finish, I think that people saying we will be bottom feeders again seems pessimistic. We may well end up struggling, I don't think anyone can tell at this point. But I think unlike previously its not a foregone conclusion at this stage, and personally I think we're a fair shot of a mid table or better finish.

I haven't really watched any of the other league games this year so I'm not sure who the "contenders" are at this point, however potentially insignificant that is at this stage. Only things I've heard are Sydney (4/4 wins, 0 conceded) and City have had a couple of good results and their lineup looks fantastic. Don't know much about the others. But I don't think Sydney looked that great on the weekend. Not bad certainly - but not overly impressive. Only time will tell how the season pans out I guess.

No. We're an abortion worthy only of a bullet to end this pathetic, worthless existence.

[The Dunster]

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[StannyCFCJET]

The problem with the loss is Sydney weren't actually that special. Sure they have better quality players than us because they have more money but the reason is something in which we can compete and its a ****ING DISGRACE we didnt. This is Running and Tackling HARD. We allowed sydney who had alot of older legs to out run and out fight us which is pathetic. Its like none of the players believed they could win or simply didnt give a shit. Also if i have to watch Hoole sook every ****ing time he stuffs up or loses the ball/falls over (he falls over alot WTF) im going to go insane

[halo se7en]

Hasn't Nabbout been playing on the right? But yeah, Haliti et al., all seem more likely to contribute than Ma at this point. If Jones has no intention of playing him & he was a forced signing, then maybe we should applaud whatever it is he's doing to delay it.

My point remains, I'm more concerned about our depth across the back 5. If a defender or Duncan gets injured on Saturday we are well and truly ****ed. Who comes in!? We can use a makeshift winger for a game, we can't do that at the back.

So can we sign that extra defender plz. Thx.

[stopper2]

I think this line of thinking is skewed a bit by our club's recent history. I agree Sydney were the better team on the weekend. However I don't think the difference was that big, and from where people are predicting Sydney to finish, I think that people saying we will be bottom feeders again seems pessimistic. We may well end up struggling, I don't think anyone can tell at this point. But I think unlike previously its not a foregone conclusion at this stage, and personally I think we're a fair shot of a mid table or better finish.

I haven't really watched any of the other league games this year so I'm not sure who the "contenders" are at this point, however potentially insignificant that is at this stage. Only things I've heard are Sydney (4/4 wins, 0 conceded) and City have had a couple of good results and their lineup looks fantastic. Don't know much about the others. But I don't think Sydney looked that great on the weekend. Not bad certainly - but not overly impressive. Only time will tell how the season pans out I guess.

"I haven't really watched any of the other league games this year so I'm not sure who the "contenders" are at this point" okay then Macca, maybe make an effort to watch some other games and then come back in a couple of weeks time lets see if you think we are in a "fair shot of a mid table or better finish".
I'm not being pessimistic, just after years of "false dawns" I am taking the cautious and realistic approach. SFC, City and Perth have depth and quality all over their squads. In a tight match, quality will win you matches 9 times out 10. Players like Fornaroli and Brandan at City, or Brosque and Holosko at SFC, or Keogh and Castro at Perth are all game-changers. We do not have these types of players, simple as that.
6th is achievable but taking into consideration the respective squad strengths of the other clubs, anything higher would be a tremendous achievement and if that happens I will gladly eat humble pie and admit I was wrong.

[plague]

you wanna blame lack of quality in the squad then you gotta blame the club.
its that simple.
the club signed all these blokes you say aint good enough.
the club let all those blokes go you are in the other thread wanting back.
the club signed the coach you all say has bad tactics and in game management.

its the club, its always been the club, and it will always be the club that causes this.

[Jeterpool]

What disappointed me the most was changing our formation and style of play I can only assume because of who we are playing. It was probably also because of our injuries, but we had the cattle to make the formaiton work.

We went away from what worked for us the 3 weeks previous (with varying degrees against WSW).

[Macca]

I'm not being pessimistic, just after years of "false dawns" I am taking the cautious and realistic approach.

Call it whatever you like, its clearly not a viewpoint that is unaffected by the past.

Those players are all classy no doubt. But didn't SFC have both those players last season too? Didn't do them a heap of good. Maybe you're right and if we played all the top teams 100 times then we might only win 15 - 25 of them. 3 fixtures over a season as well as the game being what it is means anything can happen. But I don't think we need to think we're rank outsiders in every game. If the top few teams play a great game we'll probably struggle to stay with them. Anything under that and or the matches against the other teams I think we should be expect to be well in the mix.

[RAM]

What disappointed me the most was changing our formation and style of play I can only assume because of who we are playing. It was probably also because of our injuries, but we had the cattle to make the formaiton work.

We went away from what worked for us the 3 weeks previous (with varying degrees against WSW).

I don't think its a bad thing to try different formations to suit your cattle and opposition depending on the week.

[Jeterpool]

I don't think its a bad thing to try different formations to suit your cattle and opposition depending on the week.

You're right, it isn't, but when we change to simply limit the damage then it's a negative one. What I saw was a 5-3-2 in defense with a 4-4-2 in attack but no width on the left.

I was disappointed the formation change was an overly defensive one when we have been causing teams trobule with our width and pace. I mentioned on the pod the change in formation limited the ability for an overlapping run from our fullbacks. We started to look better when we had Kokko central supported by Clut and Hoole move out wide. Granted Sydney were 2-0 up and had likely switched off with 10 to go.

Had we changed to, say a midfield diamond, to try and disrupt that sydney midfield while still allowing that extra screener as a defensive move, i'd have been happier.

[plague]

The most telling thing was the post match press conference where Gypo Annie clearly said he had an 'indication' that the Jets were going to set up with the extra defender and that's why he started Brosque over Carney.

So the opposition coach walked into our ground knowing the setup and therefore had a distinct advantage before a ball was kicked.

To me that's not good coaching.

[StannyCFCJET]

The most telling thing was the post match press conference where Gypo Annie clearly said he had an 'indication' that the Jets were going to set up with the extra defender and that's why he started Brosque over Carney.

So the opposition coach walked into our ground knowing the setup and therefore had a distinct advantage before a ball was kicked.

To me that's not good coaching.

WOW poor form mr jones

[Wilso8948]

The most telling thing was the post match press conference where Gypo Annie clearly said he had an 'indication' that the Jets were going to set up with the extra defender and that's why he started Brosque over Carney.

So the opposition coach walked into our ground knowing the setup and therefore had a distinct advantage before a ball was kicked.

To me that's not good coaching.
Yeh but Arnie knows everything remember and he's like always right and shit. Best coach in the world etc etc

[Macca]

Formations can be as rigid or as flexible as you want. I can't remember who the opposition was but Man city set up a few weeks back with a similar 3 or 5 at the back depending how you look at it. Their two wing backs were in the forward line for 2/3 of the game. My point is 5 at the back isn't really equivalent with parking the bus. If you have 5 at the back and never have the ball then that's how it looks. If you have a lot of possession then you probably have better width than normal as the wing backs will probably lean more towards their attacking duties than defensive.

But yeah, Jones saying what he was gonna do before hand, whether or not that influenced Sydney's tactics, is pretty dumb. Perhaps he's still a bit inexperienced with dealing with the press since he has previously remained out of the limelight for the most part.

[halo se7en]

WOW poor form mr jones

Yeah, because it's not like Arnold could have made that up after the fact to big himself up. No, he doesn't seem like the arrogant type at all.

And his team had scored 9 goals in 3 and not conceded - coming up against a clear underdog, and he has an "indication" that we're going to set up to defend. OMG what a genius.

My grandma could have started Brosque against us knowing a) he always ****ing scores against us, and b) Carney may have been a little off his game, or too aggressive in trying to prove a point, especially if the game wasn't going Sydney's way early on.

[RAM]

You're right, it isn't, but when we change to simply limit the damage then it's a negative one. What I saw was a 5-3-2 in defense with a 4-4-2 in attack but no width on the left.

I was disappointed the formation change was an overly defensive one when we have been causing teams trobule with our width and pace. I mentioned on the pod the change in formation limited the ability for an overlapping run from our fullbacks. We started to look better when we had Kokko central supported by Clut and Hoole move out wide. Granted Sydney were 2-0 up and had likely switched off with 10 to go.

Had we changed to, say a midfield diamond, to try and disrupt that sydney midfield while still allowing that extra screener as a defensive move, i'd have been happier.

Damage limitation or simply setting up knowing that they're dangerous on the counter or acknowledging that they'll have a lot of ball?

I don't think 5 at the back is always defensive either. Essentially the two wingbacks are de facto wingers with 3 central defenders. Worked for NZ against Italy at the WC.

I'm happy for Jones to try things, but the players must be coached properly on their roles no matter the system. Sounds like execution in this area was poor or the players failed to give proper effect to the plan.

[plague]

Yeah, because it's not like Arnold could have made that up after the fact to big himself up. No, he doesn't seem like the arrogant type at all.

And his team had scored 9 goals in 3 and not conceded - coming up against a clear underdog, and he has an "indication" that we're going to set up to defend. OMG what a genius

Well I took 'an indication' as in 'he knew'. That's why he changed a team that you just said were undefeated and yet to concede.

Im not sure if the Gypo has ever been know for his attack minded football and going for the throat.

Man, when Ryhan/Ryan/Rian/Rheyanne Grant gets the amount of space he did on Saturday then you ain't attacking the oppositions weaknesses.

[stopper2]

Call it whatever you like, its clearly not a viewpoint that is unaffected by the past.

Those players are all classy no doubt. But didn't SFC have both those players last season too? Didn't do them a heap of good. Maybe you're right and if we played all the top teams 100 times then we might only win 15 - 25 of them. 3 fixtures over a season as well as the game being what it is means anything can happen. But I don't think we need to think we're rank outsiders in every game. If the top few teams play a great game we'll probably struggle to stay with them. Anything under that and or the matches against the other teams I think we should be expect to be well in the mix.

Yes Holosko was there but Brosque was injured for much of last season but they've added Bobo, Brillante, Zullo, Wilkinson, Ibini (who wasn't even on the bench) and arguably one of the top 3 keepers in Vukovic....all established players.
Compare this to our recruitment of Kokko, Brown, Hoole, Nabbout, Clut and Duncan....pretty much players who have been squaddies at other clubs.

I'm just calling it how I see it, you can only make do with the cattle you've got and from what i've seen SFC, City and Perth will be fighting it out for the top spots. I'm not writing the team off yet but if you also take into account the injuries and key players like Kokko and Nordstrand looking underdone, Labi looking nowhere near starting, supporters expecting Jones to perform miracles with this team and figure in the top half are kidding themselves.

[The Dunster]

Yes Holosko was there but Brosque was injured for much of last season but they've added Bobo, Brillante, Zullo, Wilkinson, Ibini (who wasn't even on the bench) and arguably one of the top 3 keepers in Vukovic....all established players.
Compare this to our recruitment of Kokko, Brown, Hoole, Nabbout, Clut and Duncan....pretty much players who have been squaddies at other clubs.

I'm just calling it how I see it, you can only make do with the cattle you've got and from what i've seen SFC, City and Perth will be fighting it out for the top spots. I'm not writing the team off yet but if you also take into account the injuries and key players like Kokko and Nordstrand looking underdone, Labi looking nowhere near starting, supporters expecting Jones to perform miracles with this team and figure in the top half are kidding themselves.

Every season since the league started SFC have been favs to win the comp and many have said before a ball was even kicked that they had the best players, recruitment, coaches, facilities, staff... and so on

Only problem is they have won the comp only twice and have never ever dominated a season.
As far as the most consistent club in the comp that's probably the Coast and they have done it with different coaches, a lot of unknowns, and a shoestring budget.

What about Wellington ? They are going shit and yet could have easily ended Sydney's run.

And Brisbane ? Beaten 4-0 by the Jets and yet they beat the Glory ?

Wayyy too early to call this season, and I certainly wouldn't be writing the Jets off either - we are very competitive.

[Jeterpool]

Every season since the league started SFC have been favs to win the comp and many have said before a ball was even kicked that they had the best players, recruitment, coaches, facilities, staff... and so on

Only problem is they have won the comp only twice and have never ever dominated a season.
As far as the most consistent club in the comp that's probably the Coast and they have done it with different coaches, a lot of unknowns, and a shoestring budget.

What about Wellington ? They are going shit and yet could have easily ended Sydney's run.

And Brisbane ? Beaten 4-0 by the Jets and yet they beat the Glory ?

Wayyy too early to call this season, and I certainly wouldn't be writing the Jets off either - we are very competitive.

Good post

[stopper2]

Every season since the league started SFC have been favs to win the comp and many have said before a ball was even kicked that they had the best players, recruitment, coaches, facilities, staff... and so on

Only problem is they have won the comp only twice and have never ever dominated a season.
As far as the most consistent club in the comp that's probably the Coast and they have done it with different coaches, a lot of unknowns, and a shoestring budget.

What about Wellington ? They are going shit and yet could have easily ended Sydney's run.

And Brisbane ? Beaten 4-0 by the Jets and yet they beat the Glory ?

Wayyy too early to call this season, and I certainly wouldn't be writing the Jets off either - we are very competitive.

Fair call in regards to Sydney regarding being favorites every season but I think Arnie has recruited well and released some deadwood. Early days but I genuinely think they are the real deal this season.

If you had made that comment about the Coast 2 years ago I would've probably agreed with you Dunster but the last 2 seasons they have finished 3rd last and last. In regards to consistency, Roar and Victory over the course of the 11 seasons have won 3 GF's each, with Roar winning 2 Premiers Plates and Victory 3. Neither has collected a wooden spoon either so I think they have better claims to the title of most consistent club.
Check out this link which proves Roar and Victory have the best overall record of all the originial clubs:
http://www.ultimatealeague.com/records.php?type=cg&season=OR

Put it this way, I would rather be wrong and pleasantly surprised if the Jets can come say 5th this season, rather then get my hopes up of yes, we will make the Finals this year and finish 7th or even worse. We made a promising start last year too but that fell apart pretty quickly and we went 10 games without a win. .
Let's just say at this point in time I am quietly confident we can improve on last seasons 8th position....that's all for now.

[The Dunster]

Fair call in regards to Sydney regarding being favorites every season but I think Arnie has recruited well and released some deadwood. Early days but I genuinely think they are the real deal this season.

If you had made that comment about the Coast 2 years ago I would've probably agreed with you Dunster but the last 2 seasons they have finished 3rd last and last. In regards to consistency, Roar and Victory over the course of the 11 seasons have won 3 GF's each, with Roar winning 2 Premiers Plates and Victory 3. Neither has collected a wooden spoon either so I think they have better claims to the title of most consistent club.
Check out this link which proves Roar and Victory have the best overall record of all the originial clubs:
http://www.ultimatealeague.com/records.php?type=cg&season=OR

Put it this way, I would rather be wrong and pleasantly surprised if the Jets can come say 5th this season, rather then get my hopes up of yes, we will make the Finals this year and finish 7th or even worse. We made a promising start last year too but that fell apart pretty quickly and we went 10 games without a win. .
Let's just say at this point in time I am quietly confident we can improve on last seasons 8th position....that's all for now.

But Victory have always been one of the most cashed up teams in the comp. They should finish top 4 or better every season.
In 2005 the only team the victory beat was Auckland.
In 2007 they finished 5th on the table.
In 2010 they finished 5th on the table
In 2011 they finished 8th on the table.
In 2015 the finished 6th.

Again, this is a club with, in A-league terms essentially unlimited resources. Sure they have won several seasons but with the sort of Romney and resources they throw around Victory should be top four or better every season - without exception - yet they are not.

Give Victory or SFC the type of budget the Coast or Jets have had over the duration of the league and there is simply no way they would have made the top 4 let alone win a comp.

I have no problem with you not thinking the Jets will make the top six - it's a valid assumption for now.

I do though have a problem with this blind faith of following the Victory and SFC blueprint when it's completely floored and without merit.

[Jetmaster]

Smurfs are the most under-performed franchise of all. They have won two titles (one on pens and the first one) and never done well in ACL.

For the amount of money they have, the rule bending, publicity, timeslots, media coverage, Fox love, quality players signed, marquees, stadium etc etc two things are clear...

They have not won the amount of silverware they should have.

Their core fanbase and attendances for what they have is very poor in terms of size. Victory are superior in both.

[Wilso8948]

In my opinion I've never really rated Sydney's squad. Over the years they've had a few star players mixed in with a lot of sub par quality players.

This year however I get the feeling they've recruited on of the best teams they've had in a few seasons. They seem to have a lot more depth covering various positions. There wing backs and attacking options mixed in with a very solid midfield will win them a lot of games. Coupled with a decent keeper and very consistent CB pairing I would suggest they will do better then seasons gone by.

However in a salary capped league it really is pointless in trying to predict a winner.

[Macca]

Even without salary cap you don't really know. Look at dortmund, chelsea last year and man united the last few. Especially this year their squad value is outrageous and they will be lucky to make the CL spots.

(trying to avoid Leicester reference)

[stopper2]

Smurfs are the most under-performed franchise of all. They have won two titles (one on pens and the first one) and never done well in ACL.

For the amount of money they have, the rule bending, publicity, timeslots, media coverage, Fox love, quality players signed, marquees, stadium etc etc two things are clear...

They have not won the amount of silverware they should have.

Their core fanbase and attendances for what they have is very poor in terms of size. Victory are superior in both.

This

[plague]

The hell you blokes talking about?

Jets won 4 grand finals.

We da best.

[The Dunster]

Smurfs are the most under-performed franchise of all. They have won two titles (one on pens and the first one) and never done well in ACL.

For the amount of money they have, the rule bending, publicity, timeslots, media coverage, Fox love, quality players signed, marquees, stadium etc etc two things are clear...

They have not won the amount of silverware they should have.

Their core fanbase and attendances for what they have is very poor in terms of size. Victory are superior in both.

Five Star Post. I'd love to hear Andy Harper or Mike Cockerill read this out on air.

[stopper2]

But Victory have always been one of the most cashed up teams in the comp. They should finish top 4 or better every season.
In 2005 the only team the victory beat was Auckland.
In 2007 they finished 5th on the table.
In 2010 they finished 5th on the table
In 2011 they finished 8th on the table.
In 2015 the finished 6th.

Again, this is a club with, in A-league terms essentially unlimited resources. Sure they have won several seasons but with the sort of Romney and resources they throw around Victory should be top four or better every season - without exception - yet they are not.

Give Victory or SFC the type of budget the Coast or Jets have had over the duration of the league and there is simply no way they would have made the top 4 let alone win a comp.

I have no problem with you not thinking the Jets will make the top six - it's a valid assumption for now.

I do though have a problem with this blind faith of following the Victory and SFC blueprint when it's completely floored and without merit.

You've lost me now, who is saying anything about "this blind faith of following the Victory and SFC blueprint when it's completely floored and without merit"???

The past 2-3 seasons clubs are lifting their game in regards to signing quality visa players who bring that "x-factor" and are lifting the standard of the A-League. One only needs to look at last seasons top four and see that these clubs....Adelaide, Roar, WSW and City had the best performing visa players.
Sure nothing is guaranteed as Victory showed finishing 6th with a similar squad which were Champions the year before, but I doubt we will see a club do what we did in 2008 or the Mariners in 2013 with limited resources again. Victory are a club that, ok they have had some bad seasons but more often then not they are in the mix. SFC have underachieved for many years because they have not had that stability of coach's and more often then not have simply gone for "quick-fix" solutions rather then having a long-term plan in place.

[Jetmaster]

Five Star Post. I'd love to hear Andy Harper or Mike Cockerill read this out on air.

Thanks - Sydney's main issue is cultural and it is entitlement culture at it's finest. From day one of "Bling FC" they have had an inherent belief that they are the best club Australia and deserve to win things. The FFA and Fox bend and sway to their tune but little happens.

If something goes wrong (Kossie, Farina eras, ownership protests), Fox call a round table through Bozza, Rudes, Harps, Slater, Cockerill (Geez - what team do they favour?) and go on about how "Sydney FC fans deserve better....", making the issue high profile in the media so something is done. Those two coaches were basically sacked because of the heat turned up by Fox at the time. Compare this to the coverage of the Tinkler stuff - it was always "what's going on up there?"

Their crowds are pathetic - they have never topped a 20,000 average (which they should) and on two occasions the Jets have had a bigger average than them. And their fans turn quickly, win and they will get 15K plus - lose and it has dropped as low as 4K.

It is ridiculously frustrating - knowing the capability a class footballing outfit would have here on and off the field.

[stopper2]

Thanks - Sydney's main issue is cultural and it is entitlement culture at it's finest. From day one of "Bling FC" they have had an inherent belief that they are the best club Australia and deserve to win things. The FFA and Fox bend and sway to their tune but little happens.

If something goes wrong (Kossie, Farina eras, ownership protests), Fox call a round table through Bozza, Rudes, Harps, Slater, Cockerill (Geez - what team do they favour?) and go on about how "Sydney FC fans deserve better....", making the issue high profile in the media so something is done. Those two coaches were basically sacked because of the heat turned up by Fox at the time. Compare this to the coverage of the Tinkler stuff - it was always "what's going on up there?"

Their crowds are pathetic - they have never topped a 20,000 average (which they should) and on two occasions the Jets have had a bigger average than them. And their fans turn quickly, win and they will get 15K plus - lose and it has dropped as low as 4K.

It is ridiculously frustrating - knowing the capability a class footballing outfit would have here on and off the field.

He doesn't say it anymore, but I remember the first few years of the A-League Slater used to bang on about "The A-League needs a strong Sydney FC"!!!...."wanker"
You are spot on about a culture of "entitlement" Jetmaster and the media has played a big part in that.
It's become obvious that has now been transferred to Mel City recently where there seems this obsession to build a strong rival in Melbourne to challenge Victory both on and off the field a la what Wanderers have done in Sydney.

[plague]

He doesn't say it anymore, but I remember the first few years of the A-League Slater used to bang on about "The A-League needs a strong Sydney FC"!!!...."wanker"
You are spot on about a culture of "entitlement" Jetmaster and the media has played a big part in that.
It's become obvious that has now been transferred to Mel City recently where there seems this obsession to build a strong rival in Melbourne to challenge Victory both on and off the field a la what Wanderers have done in Sydney.

I mean Harper could probably use ratings and 'eyeballs' to successfully argue that a strong Sydney is good for the league, vital even (although now a 'strong Sydney' is not limited to just one team).

As for City, they are bringing out players who are consistently in the top 10% of the talent in the league, are recruiting successfully (not just outspending everyone) and just signed arguably the greatest ever Socceroo who still has plenty of on field quality to contribute in every facet. Why wouldn't the double-eff-aye throw their entire weight behind a team investing in the league?

Man there's a serious attitude around here of 'why won't the FFA do the same for us?'

The Jets are doing absolutely nothing either on the field or off to demand anyone's attention.

Keep putting your hands out though, I'm sure you'll get that extra potato for dinner one day.

[Wilso8948]

Ahh the ol' tall poppy

[Macca]

I'm wondering if part of Sydney's poor support and inconsistent fanbase is partly linked to the earlier discussion in another thread on the league expansion, disenfranchisement etc. Do the traditional fans of the game follow SFC? Based on population and the multicultural nature of Sydney, you would have to think there's a **** load more fans of the game around to get decent crowds and support in. Is that poor logic or perhaps most of these fans are strongly connected with old NSL / NSWPL teams and don't want to support a plastic team?

I think WSW introduction helped somewhat in this regard, bringing together some of the traditional fan communities to support a team that was more "their own".

In regards to plague's post above, you can see a lot of parallels with what you say there about City and what a lot of Newcastle football community says about Magic. Do they get handouts / preferential treatment, or does their ambition and endeavour get supported by a governing body who's vision isn't to chop the legs out under anyone pulling away but to nurture the game/league as a whole.

[The Dunster]

I mean Harper could probably use ratings and 'eyeballs' to successfully argue that a strong Sydney is good for the league, vital even (although now a 'strong Sydney' is not limited to just one team).

As for City, they are bringing out players who are consistently in the top 10% of the talent in the league, are recruiting successfully (not just outspending everyone) and just signed arguably the greatest ever Socceroo who still has plenty of on field quality to contribute in every facet. Why wouldn't the double-eff-aye throw their entire weight behind a team investing in the league?

Man there's a serious attitude around here of 'why won't the FFA do the same for us?'

The Jets are doing absolutely nothing either on the field or off to demand anyone's attention.

Keep putting your hands out though, I'm sure you'll get that extra potato for dinner one day.

https://sitoveawilliams.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/oliver-twist-can-i-have-some-more.jpg?w=705&h=435&crop=1

Need this bloke for our next recruitment drive.

[q-money]

I'm wondering if part of Sydney's poor support and inconsistent fanbase is partly linked to the earlier discussion in another thread on the league expansion, disenfranchisement etc. Do the traditional fans of the game follow SFC? Based on population and the multicultural nature of Sydney, you would have to think there's a **** load more fans of the game around to get decent crowds and support in. Is that poor logic or perhaps most of these fans are strongly connected with old NSL / NSWPL teams and don't want to support a plastic team?

I think WSW introduction helped somewhat in this regard, bringing together some of the traditional fan communities to support a team that was more "their own".

In regards to plague's post above, you can see a lot of parallels with what you say there about City and what a lot of Newcastle football community says about Magic. Do they get handouts / preferential treatment, or does their ambition and endeavour get supported by a governing body who's vision isn't to chop the legs out under anyone pulling away but to nurture the game/league as a whole.

TBH i've lived here in Sydney (wanker, i hear you say) for close to 9 years and I can pretty much claim it's apathy more than ethnic boogeymen keeping people away from the sokkah

Moore Park is a pain in the arse to get to if you have kids, terrible to drive to and to park at - and public transport isn’t even much better if you don’t have kids. Look at roosters games, same joint – same result. People in Sydney just can’t be arsed to muck around going to Moore Park.

People point to packed crowds at Swans games as an outlier but I can guarantee tons of those crowds are from the Eastern Suburbs where it’s a squillion times easier to get to - and a completely different social set from the soccer or the rugby league. i.e Expat victorians (wankers) or members (wankers)

Same with the Waratahs, guaranteed to be followed by a majority of the Eastern subs/lower north shore set. If the Tahs are shit, the lower north shore set doesn’t show up and the Eastern Suburbs blokes will probably go and get a bag instead.

So you could probably put it down to laziness, lack of emotional connection, infuriation with access or the availability of cocaine in the Eastern Suburbs. I guarantee if you put a Bucket List marquee and a bloke selling rack at the back of the stand at the SFS you’ll be beating them off with a stick.

The virus has got me too, I hardly cross the bridge or the Eastern Distributor without complaining about it.

[Retro Jet]

https://sitoveawilliams.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/oliver-twist-can-i-have-some-more.jpg?w=705&h=435&crop=1

Need this bloke for our next recruitment drive.

:rof:

Please sir, can I have some more...rice??

[WolfMan]

https://sitoveawilliams.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/oliver-twist-can-i-have-some-more.jpg?w=705&h=435&crop=1

Need this bloke for our next recruitment drive.

Is that...a wooden spoon??

[plague]

Yeah I have no experience living there but I always assumed SFS actually doesn't really service any real sporting community and unless you're super keen on who's playing then you'd never bother hunting the joint out.

I've been to plenty of Victory games over the years just because I've been in Melb at the time and Etihad is easy to get to.

As for the AFL you get 12/13 home games a year to service the entire state of people wanting to watch top flight AFL. They 'seem' like much bigger 'events' and draw interest/crowds accordingly.

Tl;dr q-man is right but eastern suburbs coke is garbage though.

[stopper2]

I mean Harper could probably use ratings and 'eyeballs' to successfully argue that a strong Sydney is good for the league, vital even (although now a 'strong Sydney' is not limited to just one team).

As for City, they are bringing out players who are consistently in the top 10% of the talent in the league, are recruiting successfully (not just outspending everyone) and just signed arguably the greatest ever Socceroo who still has plenty of on field quality to contribute in every facet. Why wouldn't the double-eff-aye throw their entire weight behind a team investing in the league?

Man there's a serious attitude around here of 'why won't the FFA do the same for us?'

The Jets are doing absolutely nothing either on the field or off to demand anyone's attention.

Keep putting your hands out though, I'm sure you'll get that extra potato for dinner one day.

I was probably having more of a dig at the media in my previous post but I'm in agreeance with you here.
A lot of misinformation gets spread too as in people saying the FFA when they were in charge of Roar got them Broich and Berisha as Marquees while we at the Jets got zilch. Everyone who has followed the A-League knows this is rubbish but it suits the negative agenda that some peddle of the Jets getting the short straw all the time.

[borat]

Now that I've had time to think about it, I don't agree. Unfortunately our biggest strength so far this season is sitting on the sidelines for the next 2-3 weeks. Plus we have two import strikers who are both underdone. With the reshuffle/changes needed in both midfield and defence, Jones obviously thought extra strength was required back there against a very strong offensive team. Their goals didn't come from bad tactics or formation but one or two players switching off at the wrong moment.

Not so. Zullo's foul/pressure Brown into a mistake for the first goal was down to not having to defend.

Jones came out in the press and said we will soak up their pressure. He clearly thought parking the bus would do that and he was sadly wrong. You have to apply pressure to Sydney up the park because there was no way our defence was solely going to keep them out.

You can keep your formation but still play different tactics. I would have preferred to keep the 442 but play the central midfielders conservatively at the beginning. Despite the injuries I definitely would have fielded different personnel.

Some may have seen this as genius if it came off. Well it wasn't and didn't come close. All we did was give the ascendancy to SFC on our home ground and they then did to us what Jones talked about. Just soaked up anything we threw at them until they hit us with a 2nd goal.

[StannyCFCJET]

Not so. Zullo's foul/pressure Brown into a mistake for the first goal was down to not having to defend.

Jones came out in the press and said we will soak up their pressure. He clearly thought parking the bus would do that and he was sadly wrong. You have to apply pressure to Sydney up the park because there was no way our defence was solely going to keep them out.

You can keep your formation but still play different tactics. I would have preferred to keep the 442 but play the central midfielders conservatively at the beginning. Despite the injuries I definitely would have fielded different personnel.

Some may have seen this as genius if it came off. Well it wasn't and didn't come close. All we did was give the ascendancy to SFC on our home ground and they then did to us what Jones talked about. Just soaked up anything we threw at them until they hit us with a 2nd goal.

Agree and we didnt really throw anything at them sadly

[hawk]

TBH i've lived here in Sydney (wanker, i hear you say) for close to 9 years and I can pretty much claim it's apathy more than ethnic boogeymen keeping people away from the sokkah

Moore Park is a pain in the arse to get to if you have kids, terrible to drive to and to park at - and public transport isn’t even much better if you don’t have kids. Look at roosters games, same joint – same result. People in Sydney just can’t be arsed to muck around going to Moore Park.

People point to packed crowds at Swans games as an outlier but I can guarantee tons of those crowds are from the Eastern Suburbs where it’s a squillion times easier to get to - and a completely different social set from the soccer or the rugby league. i.e Expat victorians (wankers) or members (wankers)

Same with the Waratahs, guaranteed to be followed by a majority of the Eastern subs/lower north shore set. If the Tahs are shit, the lower north shore set doesn’t show up and the Eastern Suburbs blokes will probably go and get a bag instead.

So you could probably put it down to laziness, lack of emotional connection, infuriation with access or the availability of cocaine in the Eastern Suburbs. I guarantee if you put a Bucket List marquee and a bloke selling rack at the back of the stand at the SFS you’ll be beating them off with a stick.

The virus has got me too, I hardly cross the bridge or the Eastern Distributor without complaining about it.

Id bet the shire would get behind a team. There's something special about that place.

Maybe if Sydney Fc slightly re-branded into Easts or similar to create a smaller region there might be some improvement. However peeps with cash probs tend to go boating or to mens clubs, cant blame them really.

[furns]

TBH i've lived here in Sydney (wanker, i hear you say) for close to 9 years and I can pretty much claim it's apathy more than ethnic boogeymen keeping people away from the sokkah

Moore Park is a pain in the arse to get to if you have kids, terrible to drive to and to park at - and public transport isn’t even much better if you don’t have kids. Look at roosters games, same joint – same result. People in Sydney just can’t be arsed to muck around going to Moore Park.

People point to packed crowds at Swans games as an outlier but I can guarantee tons of those crowds are from the Eastern Suburbs where it’s a squillion times easier to get to - and a completely different social set from the soccer or the rugby league. i.e Expat victorians (wankers) or members (wankers)

Same with the Waratahs, guaranteed to be followed by a majority of the Eastern subs/lower north shore set. If the Tahs are shit, the lower north shore set doesn’t show up and the Eastern Suburbs blokes will probably go and get a bag instead.

So you could probably put it down to laziness, lack of emotional connection, infuriation with access or the availability of cocaine in the Eastern Suburbs. I guarantee if you put a Bucket List marquee and a bloke selling rack at the back of the stand at the SFS you’ll be beating them off with a stick.

The virus has got me too, I hardly cross the bridge or the Eastern Distributor without complaining about it.
What q said
except for the coke - with which I have no experience. I live in the West, so its all meth out here.