16/17 HAL Round 7 | Newcastle Jets v Central Coast Mariners | Sun 20 Nov 2016 5:00PM

[Jeterpool]

A-League 16/17 Round 7 Preview - Newcastle Jets v Central Coast Mariners

FIXTURE FACTS

Overall – 38 matches between the two teams.
Jets Wins - 11, Mariners Wins - 13, Drawn - 14


In Newcastle – 18 matches.
Jets Wins - 7, Mariners Wins - 4, Drawn - 7
In Gosford - 19 matches
Jets Wins - 3, Mariners Wins - 9, Drawn - 7

Average Home A-League Crowd – 12523
Average Away A-League Crowd - 10864

Goals in Fixture
Jets – 35, Mariners - 46
In Newcastle -
Jets – 19, Mariners - 16

1st Goals in Fixture
Jets – 19, Mariners - 16

Cards in Fixture
Jets - 93 (89 yellow, 4 red), Mariners 54 (50 yellow, 4 red)

Recent Form (A-League)
Jets - WDLLL (4 points from last 15)
Mariners - LLDWL (4 points from last 15)

Leading Scorers
Jets - Nigel Boogaard (2)
Mariners – Roy O'Donovan (3)

Last Result -
Jets 4 (Nordstrand 1', Alivodic 18', Nordstrand 54', Poljak 79') – Mariners 2 (Ferreira 51' pen, O'Donovan 76') at Central Coast Stadium, A-League, Round 27, 9/4/2016.

Starting line-ups from Last Meeting in Season 15/16 Round 27

Newcastle JetsCentral Coast Mariners
Mark BirighittiPaul Izzo
Jason HoffmanJacob Poscoliero
Daniel MullenHarry Ascroft
Ben KantarovskiJoshua Rose
Nick CowburnMichael Neill
Mateo PoljakNick Montgomery
Steven UgarkovicLiam Rose
Leonardo Vitor SantiagoFabio Ferreira
Enver AlivodicLuis Garcia
Morten NordstrandMitch Austin
Ryan KittoRoy O'Donovan



FIXTURE RECORDS


Biggest Win

Jets 4 (Nordstrand 1', Alivodic 18', Nordstrand 54', Poljak 79') - Mariners 2 (Ferreira 51' pen, O'Donovan 76') Round 27, Season 2015/16 at Central Coast Stadium, 09/04/2016.

Heaviest Defeat

Jets 1 - (Coveny 85') - Mariners 4 (Gumprecht 4', Brown 34', Hutchinson 72', 83'), Round 16, Season 2005/06 at Express Advocate Stadium, 31/12/2005.

Leading Scorers in fixture –


Jets - Joel Griffiths (6)
Mariners - Matt Simon (6)



2016/17 SEASON STATISTICS

NumberNameAppearancesStartsSubstitute AppearancesSubbed offMinutes PlayedGoalsAssistsYellow CardsRed - Second BookableStraight Red
2Daniel Mullen11016300000
3Jason Hoffman541233600000
4Nigel Boogaard660054021100
5Ben Kantarovski440233001000
6Steven Ugarkovic651144310100
7Andrew Hoole660054011300
8Mateo Poljak532034200000
9Aleksandr Kokko422214100000
10Wayne Brown660250210100
11Labinot Haliti20202600000
12Andy Brennan0000000000
13Ivan Vujica651146600000
14Mitch Cooper0000000000
15Andrew Nabbout541332712100
16Nick Cowburn550045000000
17Radovan Pavicevic0000000000
19Morten Nordstrand541233600000
20Jack Duncan660054000000
22Lachlan Jackson321115700000
23Devante Clut615121310000
24Kristian Brymora0000000000
28John Koutroumbis321018800000
30Pierce Clark0000000000



COACHING

Coaches Head to Head – 0 matches
Mark Jones - 0 wins, Paul Okon - 0 wins, 0 drawn

Newcastle Jets A-League Coaching Records –

Mark Jones - 0 matches (0 wins, 0 drawn, 0 losses = N/A% win ratio)
Scott Miller - 3 matches (2 wins, 1 draw, 0 losses = 67% win ratio)
Phil Stubbins - 3 matches (0 wins, 2 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Gary Van Egmond - 17 matches (6 wins, 6 drawn and 5 losses = 35% win ratio)
Richard Money - 3 matches (1 wins, 0 drawn, 2 loss = 33% win ratio)
Branko Culina - 6 matches (1 win, 2 drawn, 3 losses = 17% win ratio)
Nick Theodorakopoulos - 1 match (0 wins, 1 drawn, 0 losses = 0% win ratio)
Craig Deans -1 Match (1 win, 0 drawn, 0 loss = 100% win ratio)
Clayton Zane – 2 matches (0 wins, 0 drawn, 2 losses = 0% win ratio)





TALKING POINTS:


General

The Jets are over 2 years undefeated against the Mariners.
The Mariners haven't won in Newcastle for 1443 days.
The last time the Jets lost 4 consecutive matches was in Season 2010/11. It has only happened twice in the club's history.
This is the third occassion in 3 years to have coaches on both sides involved in their first F3 derby at the same time.





Players

Nordstrand scored the fastest goal in Jets history in the last match over the Mariners.
Ryan Kitto also provided the most assists in one match as a Jets player.
Iain Fyfe could become player #145 for the Jets in the A-League.
Andrew Nabbout became the 69th player to score for the Jets in the A-League last weekend.




Newcastle Jets

Only Craig Deans and Gary van Egmond have won their first match against the Mariners.
This is currently the 3rd worst start in the Jets history. Only the 2 wooden spoon years were worse.






Central Coast Mariners

The Mariners haven't scored a first half goal against the Jets in 2 seasons.
Paul Okon is undefeated when involved in the F3 derby.

[RAM]

Andrew Nabbout became the 69th player to score for the Jets in the A-League last weekend.
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[StannyCFCJET]

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hahahahahahaa

[halo se7en]

•The Jets are over 2 years undefeated against the Mariners.
•The Mariners haven't won in Newcastle for 1443 days.


Sure as hell doesn't feel like it.

[Jeterpool]

Sure as hell doesn't feel like it.

Didn't say it had been longer (1492) since the Jets had won in Newcastle against the Mariners. The last 4 matches (3 seasons) have been draws, they won the match before that, and we won the one before that.

[halo se7en]

Didn't say it had been longer (1492) since the Jets had won in Newcastle against the Mariners. The last 4 matches (3 seasons) have been draws, they won the match before that, and we won the one before that.

That's more like it :rof:

[plague]

2-0 down at some stage then whatever.

Will be attending. Might not sit with the mongs again though.

[Superdylan]

Cannot loose this whatsoever.

4 years no wins at home against the gypos is a disgraceful record.

3 losses in a row is also a disgrace. If there is any advantage in our favor is that the gypos haven't held a clean sheet in something like 34 games.

We should have enough attacking options to get the job done. 4 days to go bring it on.

[Retro Jet]

Cannot loose this whatsoever.

4 years no wins at home against the gypos is a disgraceful record.

3 losses in a row is also a disgrace. If there is any advantage in our favor is that the gypos haven't held a clean sheet in something like 34 games.

We should have enough attacking options to get the job done. 4 days to go bring it on.

And this is what worries me the most with our bunch of patsies.
Watch us break their duck and continue our shit home record with a boring 0-0 draw.

[StannyCFCJET]

Im worried our midfield wont be able to create chances for Kokko and Nordstrand. Brown is down on form, Clut hasnt been starting, Hoole is as useless as he was the first time we had him which leaves Nabbout as the main creator

[furns]

Jetstream preview is now available for this game.
We assumed that Brown wouldnt make this game, and that Clut would start.
Stevie UG and Poljak in mids, and Morten dropping to the bench. We agreed Hoole hadn't been great, but we really didn't have many other options in the wide areas. Labi is still too short of match fitness to start this game.

-----------------JD-------------------
Hoff ----- Kanta----- Johnny K -----Vujica
----------Poljak------Stevie UG----------
Hoole------------Clut-----------Nabbout
-----------Kokko--------------------------

Pierce, Labi, Morten, Cowburn and Fyfe on da bench

[furns]

btw if we win this and WSW lose, we jump two places into sixth.

[turbojetfireV8]

Jetstream preview is now available for this game.
We assumed that Brown wouldnt make this game, and that Clut would start.
Stevie UG and Poljak in mids, and Morten dropping to the bench. We agreed Hoole hadn't been great, but we really didn't have many other options in the wide areas. Labi is still too short of match fitness to start this game.

-----------------JD-------------------
Hoff ----- Kanta----- Johnny K -----Vujica
----------Poljak------Stevie UG----------
Hoole------------Clut-----------Nabbout
-----------Kokko--------------------------

Pierce, Labi, Morten, Cowburn and Fyfe on da bench

What's happened since this story on NBN the other night then, the coach didn't think Brown wasn't up to it then:
http://www.nbnnews.com.au/2016/11/14/brown-could-be-handed-captains-armband-for-mariners-clash/

[hawk]

btw if we win this and WSW lose, we jump two places into sixth.

if/when we win the next 15 we win the comp #jetsdestiny

[rhysd]

Herald is indicating clut and nobby up front. Assuming kokko on bench. Guessing the kok has not pleased jones too well.

[StannyCFCJET]

Herald is indicating clut and nobby up front. Assuming kokko on bench. Guessing the kok has not pleased jones too well.

Kokko on bench so further Proof Jones wasnt paying attention last game. Kokko holding up the ball was one of the only way we managed to create chances last game

[plague]

Decided to go trampolining instead of Jets.
Will watch the abortion on TV.
Caaarrrrnnn etc etc

[q-money]

just watched mihany get slaughtered chasing majestic duke at kilmore, up for another waste of 2 hours, i have no feelings left

[steve136]

Well, here we go. Can't wait for us to not touch the ball for the first 10 minutes as per usual.

[steve136]

Good to see the players really got up for the Derby....

[plague]

Glad Fyfe showed all his experience there.

[steve136]

Glad Fyfe showed all his experience there.

Let his guy get free in the six yard box like a veteran.

[Hunter403]

Crap use of advantage by the ref turns into a soft free kick and a scum goal. Prick of a ref

[Hunter403]

Scum have bought a VCR and have watched us fall to hard pressing. I wonder if they will be fit enough to carry it on.

[StannyCFCJET]

Wheres the ****ing personal pride in the players. There all happy to be paid to do nothing

[plague]

Why we're the mongs in the crowd doing the Poznan thing?

[StannyCFCJET]

Scum have bought a VCR and have watched us fall to hard pressing. I wonder if they will be fit enough to carry it on.
The problem is our front 4 stand too far forward and dont make runs so our midfield and defense has to play long or backward

[lquiquer]

Khunts show no passion....:soapbox:

[halo se7en]

Why we're the mongs in the crowd doing the Poznan thing?

Sure it wasn't jets fans leaving? This is ****ed and I hate this sport.

Oh yeah, go jets etc :/

[belchardo]

Why we're the mongs in the crowd doing the Poznan thing?

They knew we were going to concede and didn't want to watch.

[steve136]

They knew we were going to concede and didn't want to watch.

Yeah but I did too so I just stayed at home. Seems like the smarter solution.

[Hunter403]

What the fu@k is a McGing?

[Hunter403]

Somebody, anybody, please nobble Hoole. Pea heart with a haircut

[plague]

They knew we were going to concede and didn't want to watch.

Jets fans aren't that smart.

[Hunter403]

Jets are shite. Wooden spoon is our if we keep this up. Jones has no plan B (doubt there is a plan A either). Hate this crap.

[steve136]

Jets are shite. Wooden spoon is our if we keep this up. Jones has no plan B (doubt there is a plan A either). Hate this crap.

Nah just relax, we're going to be in the ACL within the next 3 years remember?

[Hunter403]

Nah just relax, we're going to be in the ACL within the next 3 years remember?

Of course! I also believe in unicorns! Shit, just saw one! We scored!

ACL here we come!

[Hunter403]

Love this team. Bloody wonderful stuff!

[plague]

Jesus these two Gypo centre backs are the worst.

[Retro Jet]

Cannot loose this whatsoever.

4 years no wins at home against the gypos is a disgraceful record.

3 losses in a row is also a disgrace. If there is any advantage in our favor is that the gypos haven't held a clean sheet in something like 34 games.

We should have enough attacking options to get the job done. 4 days to go bring it on.


And this is what worries me the most with our bunch of patsies.
Watch us break their duck and continue our shit home record with a boring 0-0 draw.


And thank fk for that...

Boo hoo Mr Rose...cheat!

[Hunter403]

Jesus these two Gypo centre backs are the worst.

And one gets an early shower!

[steve136]

Really feel like Jones should have made a sub after that red card to get some fresh legs on and take advantage of the situation.

[Retro Jet]

And one gets an early shower!

Yep, and my first thought was: "Hmmm...I wonder if Okon will park the bus at 1-1?"
but my next thought: "Hmmm...I wonder how Jones will react?"

[Retro Jet]

And Nabbout is limping....

[Hunter403]

Let's give them the Kok!

[Retro Jet]

And Nabbout is limping....


Let's give them the Kok!

The Queen for the Kok!

[steve136]

Hoffman is desperate to lose this game for us

[Hunter403]

He's back to his old bad habits

[plague]

Looks like a good old broken jaw right there.

[Retro Jet]

Wake up bois!!!!!!!!!!

[plague]

Cowburn and Hoffman have had pretty bad games.

[Hunter403]

Last chance! Can Hoole be a hero?

[steve136]

Last chance! Can Hoole be a hero?

I would guess no.

[steve136]

Only the Jets could have failed to win against this 10 man Coastie team

[StannyCFCJET]

Slow lazy lathargic starts are costing us

[sorefootballer]

Ffs

[steve136]

Slow lazy lathargic starts are costing us

Yeah someone should tell Jones we're allowed to press in the first half

[Retro Jet]

Only the Jets could have failed to win against this 10 man Coastie team

At least we scored... :blush:
35 games and the baton handed on to Perf!

[hawk]

only suckers would think we can win with a man up? never happens spesh agaisnt gypos.

good result, could have been a blood bath

[Retro Jet]

only suckers would think we can win with a man up? never happens spesh agaisnt gypos.

good result, could have been a blood bath

Tell Kokko that!

[matty]

Andrew hoole has to be the most over rated player in the comp, predictable, lazy and if it doesn't go his way he chucks a nana

[halo se7en]

Highlight of the game was seeing Ugarkovic come up on the scoreboard as a possible motm option for fans to sms. Considering he had Hoole & Hoffman for company, it's no wonder he still got ahead in the votes.

[WolfMan]

Andrew hoole has to be the most over rated player in the comp, predictable, lazy and if it doesn't go his way he chucks a nana

I know what you meant, but I now have images of Hoole throwing my Grandma lol

[Hunter403]

Thought Nobby and Kokko looked ok togeter

[Thomas477]

God it was nice to have a target man. I thought Kokko played early well, just need Nobby playing off him

[lquiquer]

Highlight of the game was seeing Ugarkovic come up on the scoreboard as a possible motm option for fans to sms. Considering he had Hoole & Hoffman for company, it's no wonder he still got ahead in the votes.

Def the highlight of the day.......lol.........We all voted for Super Ugar ......Hahaha.....#Jets****ingClowns

[Mark325]

Start Kokko, move Nobby to attacking mid, put Clut on the wing over Hoole and put Brown and Ugarkovic in the middle of the park together. Run Cowburn and Vujica at fullbacks too, Hoffs useless so far this season

Surely anyone looking at our team can figure that out except for the guy actually putting the team together

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Should've won, vs a shit team with 10. Disgusting. Subs too late.

[Jardelsimage]

sorry if this is off the track a touch.
I don't get to many games any more(resaons for that) but our squadron or what ever they are called nowadays, can we at least wear the same shirts.
all the other clubs stand out as one, we look like a couple of fellas going for a beer who happen to turn up at a game of football.
am I wrong with this thought? or don't we have a real squadron like the RBB or the cove

[The Dunster]

Kokko needs to start every week. We can accommodate him by moving Clut to Hooles position and moving Hoole to state league where he belongs.

[Jetmaster]

We have two class strikers now getting time and looking better for it.

Get the right mix with them in support and they will cause problems.

We have nothing to lose Jones...just do it...take a risk ffs.

[hawk]

Should've won, vs a shit team with 10. Disgusting. Subs too late.

I was nicely surprised we created many chances at the end even vs 10.

Kokko pop monkey did a good job with limited time and chances. Wish he would get more mongrel. should have elbowed that gypo coming through when he was heading for goal. Wouldnt care if the goal was disowd

[hawk]

sorry if this is off the track a touch.
I don't get to many games any more(resaons for that) but our squadron or what ever they are called nowadays, can we at least wear the same shirts.
all the other clubs stand out as one, we look like a couple of fellas going for a beer who happen to turn up at a game of football.
am I wrong with this thought? or don't we have a real squadron like the RBB or the cove

rebuilding again. peeps that turn up go ok. Its up to newy to join in.

Was a good turnup on the far terrace from the other active

[belchardo]

We look about a bazillion times better with kokko on the field.

[q-money]

why is the second best player in the squad after nordstrand, in ugarkovic - riding the pine?

jones is kidding himself

[The Dunster]

why is the second best player in the squad after nordstrand, in ugarkovic - riding the pine?

jones is kidding himself

He probably told Jones he had no idea what he was doing and paid the price for being honest.

[leftrightout]

We look about a bazillion times better with kokko on the field.

He had a couple of really impressive touches didn't he. Haven't thought much of him until his little cameo today. Gives me something to hold on to... thank god because I'm clutching!

[StannyCFCJET]

I come away from games these days thinking If they players dont care why should I and if anyone tries to argue this point with me go watch the first half today as well as the sydney and wellington game again

[sammydog]

Kokko was great today. Strong on the ball while typos were hanging off him. Looked like an elbow to the face late in the game, but thats just based on the big screen replay.

The more this season goes on though, the more I am convinced that Jones has no idea.

[lquiquer]

At least we scored... :blush:
35 games and the baton handed on to Perf!

Thank **** for that, would have been even more embarrassing than loosing

[lquiquer]

Yeah someone should tell Jones we're allowed to press in the first half

Someone should tell Jones he can make substitution whenever he wants to

[evanhayes5]

Should have won.

As good as Kokko is, he is very lazy and unfit.

Saw him in the warm up and he was buggered after a few sprints.

[turbojetfireV8]

thought Kokko was dangerous when he finally got on the park, and still cannot understand why it takes our coach so long to get him out there when he is clearly threatening to score, him and Nordstrand combined from the start of the match could have made a real difference to the score line, Jones is lucky he's got a charmed life as a half serious owner would be looking for a replacement coach after letting poor selection and coaching decisions throw that match...

[Macca]

Still don't know why we just let opposition teams take the ascendancy and give them free possession early in the game. We let every shit team play against us like they're barcelona for the first half hour.
Second half came round after an uninspiring first and was a bit different. Nordstrand's goal was ****ing awesome, perfect ball from Nabbout and excellent composure in the finish. Got the whole stadium going including our team who had been half asleep til that point. You could see it instantly make a 50% improvement on performance (conservative) and we nearly took the lead 30 seconds afterwards just through people giving a **** and playing with intensity and desire to win. The last half hour they were at our mercy and it wasn't due to the extra player either. Came close to scoring half a dozen times. Noddy summed it up well after the match, its not the worst result but it feels like a loss. All things considered though, I've left that stadium in far worse moods than I did yesterday arvo. While we didn't end up getting the win it was great to see us actually put a team under the pump for a long extended period and create constant chances while doing so.

Team was ~ok~ yesterday. I'm glad Clut finally got a start, didn't think he was outstanding but he has 100% deserved to be starting imo. Coach needs to tell the team to pass it to Noddy whenever they have the ball, bloke will make shit happen for us and also makes a lot of excellent runs that don't get noticed or capitalised on. Instead we pass it to Hoole. Team going forward should have following players in it: Nordstrand, Kokko, Ugarkovic, Clut, Nabbout, Brown. Play whatever you need to to get our best players on the park. Suggestions -

4-4-2 / 4-4-1-1
Kokko
--Nordstrand
Clut - Brown - Ugarkovic - Nabbout
Vujica - Fyfe - Koutroumbis - Cowburn/Hoffman
Duncan

or

3-5-2
Kokko
--Nordstrand
-----------------Clut
Vujica - Brown -----Ugarkovic - Nabbout
Koutroumbis - Fyfe - Cowburn/Hoffman
JD

I still think Hoole could work out. But I agree he needs a reality check. If he can bench Ugar for whatever perceived issues he has (who knows) then Hoole should have been hooked already, at least temporarily.

[The Camel]

Team was ~ok~ yesterday. I'm glad Clut finally got a start, didn't think he was outstanding but he has 100% deserved to be starting imo. Coach needs to tell the team to pass it to Noddy whenever they have the ball, bloke will make shit happen for us and also makes a lot of excellent runs that don't get noticed or capitalised on. Instead we pass it to Hoole. Team going forward should have following players in it: Nordstrand, Kokko, Ugarkovic, Clut, Nabbout, Brown. Play whatever you need to to get our best players on the park.

I still think Hoole could work out. But I agree he needs a reality check. If he can bench Ugar for whatever perceived issues he has (who knows) then Hoole should have been hooked already, at least temporarily.

Agree that those guys need to start. I disagree that Hoole could work out. He is one of the worst professional footballers I have seen, his end product is abysmal and his decision making is twice as bad as his end product. I thought Poljak played ok yesterday as well but Ugar needs to be on the park.

[halo se7en]

Good summary Macca. After watching Man United squander 3 points on Sunday morning, it turned out to be an incredibly frustrating weekend of football, but at least neither team lost.

Can someone explain to me why Uga was benched? I feel like I've missed something.

Hoole definitely needs some time on the sidelines. Too many times yesterday he had the ball with one or two in front of him and even from 60m away I could see the cogs turning slowly, trying to figure out how he was going to beat his man. 9/10 times it didn't work.

I also think Noddy, Nabbo, Clut would be just as good at taking FKs, and I was surprised to see Cowburn standing over one near the end. Surely he's down the pecking order!? I would have liked to see the Chinese kiddie get maybe 10-15mins for Nabbout who seemed to be struggling for most of the game after hurting himself in the 1st half.

[The Camel]

Good summary Macca. After watching Man United squander 3 points on Sunday morning, it turned out to be an incredibly frustrating weekend of football, but at least neither team lost.

Can someone explain to me why Uga was benched? I feel like I've missed something.

Hoole definitely needs some time on the sidelines. Too many times yesterday he had the ball with one or two in front of him and even from 60m away I could see the cogs turning slowly, trying to figure out how he was going to beat his man. 9/10 times it didn't work.

I also think Noddy, Nabbo, Clut would be just as good at taking FKs, and I was surprised to see Cowburn standing over one near the end. Surely he's down the pecking order!? I would have liked to see the Chinese kiddie get maybe 10-15mins for Nabbout who seemed to be struggling for most of the game after hurting himself in the 1st half.

Based on the Chinese player's butchering of his first touch under no pressure when we were in a prime attacking position late on, maybe it is best he did not get on any earlier, worse touch than most All age players

[leftrightout]

Based on the Chinese player's butchering of his first touch under no pressure when we were in a prime attacking position late on, maybe it is best he did not get on any earlier, worse touch than most All age players

Same can be said for one of Mortens touches, he was not only in the flow of the game but one of the best on the park.

He was wide right, ball got slipped to him just outside 18 from the centre of the park and he tried to take his 1st touch with the outside of his left foot so the ball continued to roll towards the corner instead of bombing towards goals.
Its basic football skills that let us down time and time again. A simple right foot touch even directly forward would have put us in a really dangerous goal scoring situation.

It’s the little things that can change a game and he is one of the best quality players we have. Says a lot!

[plague]

I was surprised to see Cowburn standing over one near the end.

im surprised you were surprised over the Jets making what looked like (and turned out to be) a dumb decision.

[plague]

Can someone explain to me why Uga was benched? I feel like I've missed something.


yeah copy and paste me into this.
has the coach said anything? is he hurt? what the **** is going on here?

[Bon]

yeah copy and paste me into this.
has the coach said anything? is he hurt? what the **** is going on here?

Add me too..
Only reasoning I can see is if I refer you to the Jones Out thread..
Out of his depth, no idea, speed-dealer, clueless, dumb-as-a-stick, etc etc..

[Macca]

Agree Poljak was decent yesterday. But yeah I think Ugarkovic has been one of our best players since he signed - I'm not sure halo why he is not playing. I recall when he was dropped Jones said (generally, not aimed at him, as there was a few changes) that he felt players weren't putting in enough effort or desire. If this is the reason then I think its misplaced, sure he's no Zadkovic but who needs Zads when you've got Xavi. Agree on the FK's, Hoole hasn't been terrible but neither has he been outstanding. At least the shot attempts. His general set pieces have been pretty decent I think.

I'll reserve judgement on the chinese player for now. It wasn't a great first touch but pretty sure everyone here has ****ed up an easy first touch for no reason out of character.

I'm guessing Cowburn took one near the end cause Hoole had had a couple cracks and Nick thought he fancied the idea of being a hometown hero. He probably takes them alright at training, didn't I hear he was a midfielder before he moved to the senior squad?

[lquiquer]

yeah copy and paste me into this.
has the coach said anything? is he hurt? what the **** is going on here?

And the bloke ON THE BENCH still got MOTM..... Only The Griff achieved that before

[Mark325]

Good summary Macca. After watching Man United squander 3 points on Sunday morning, it turned out to be an incredibly frustrating weekend of football, but at least neither team lost.

Can someone explain to me why Uga was benched? I feel like I've missed something.

Hoole definitely needs some time on the sidelines. Too many times yesterday he had the ball with one or two in front of him and even from 60m away I could see the cogs turning slowly, trying to figure out how he was going to beat his man. 9/10 times it didn't work.

I also think Noddy, Nabbo, Clut would be just as good at taking FKs, and I was surprised to see Cowburn standing over one near the end. Surely he's down the pecking order!? I would have liked to see the Chinese kiddie get maybe 10-15mins for Nabbout who seemed to be struggling for most of the game after hurting himself in the 1st half.

He touched on it very vaguely that he thought Uga was good but not great a few games ago and that maybe a bench stint would help, something to that effect

My mate tried to justify some of Hooles shit yesterday and at a point I just stopped paying attention, blokes useless

I think Cowburn use to take fk's in the youth team and would bang a few in, could be wrong but I remember hearing that

Although in one ten second play he looked not good, I do agree more so cause we can't afford to lose Nabbout above all else so getting him off the park would've been safe

[plague]

He touched on it very vaguely that he thought Uga was good but not great a few games ago and that maybe a bench stint would help, something to that effect

oh man, i love the whole "he's not quite there lets stop him playing football to see if he gets better at playing football".

Jesus Christ some of these coaches are morons.

[StannyCFCJET]

Stevie U is our best player by far. If we dont use him some other aleague team will snag him

[Jeterpool]

oh man, i love the whole "he's not quite there lets stop him playing football to see if he gets better at playing football".

Jesus Christ some of these coaches are morons.

This is Craig Goodwin all over again

[StannyCFCJET]

This is Craig Goodwin all over again

**** me it is too. Didnt goodwins dad or sumthing say he was mistreated at jets and thats why he left

[Jeterpool]

**** me it is too. Didnt goodwins dad or sumthing say he was mistreated at jets and thats why he left

The rumour was while he was riding high and killing it, he went on FoxSports and got dropped because it was perceived his head was getting too big.

Don't want to give anyone confidence now, do we.

Funny Goodwin was dropped under GvE, left under Stubbins...there's more to this Stevie U-G deal than meets the eye, is my bet. Why drop your best midfielder? Doesn't make sense.

[StannyCFCJET]

The rumour was while he was riding high and killing it, he went on FoxSports and got dropped because it was perceived his head was getting too big.

Don't want to give anyone confidence now, do we.

Funny Goodwin was dropped under GvE, left under Stubbins...there's more to this Stevie U-G deal than meets the eye, is my bet. Why drop your best midfielder? Doesn't make sense.

yeah and Jones whinging about not stringing passes together and applying pressure to opposition leaves Stevie U on the bench

[matty]

Don't know how it hasn't been mentioned before but Kokko is one tough c**t, just watched the replay after being at the game yesterday and the bloke is spitting blood for the rest of the game and didn't take a step backward, lesser man would of come off

[Macca]

Hope his surgery went well and he can come back into the fray and claim a starting berth for the rest of the season. His hold up play has been excellent from what I've seen, and will give us a different dimension if we need to play with low possession / counter attacking against some better teams.

[q-money]

what's the go there - can ya just headbutt whoever you want these days and get away with it because it's not a high foot?

has anyone ever been done for dangerous use of the noggin?

kokko was blindsided really - had eyes for the ball and his back to old mate who clocked him. not ideal.

[Macca]

Even high foot is a bullshit rule. How many bicycle kicks get pulled up even if they kick someone square in the face. It's a joke

[WolfMan]

what's the go there - can ya just headbutt whoever you want these days and get away with it because it's not a high foot?

has anyone ever been done for dangerous use of the noggin?

kokko was blindsided really - had eyes for the ball and his back to old mate who clocked him. not ideal.

I'm with you on this. From behind the goal, it looked like a fair shout for a penalty. I put that reaction down to my bias, but maybe the replay suggests the same thing?

[Jeterpool]

Yesterday was a disappointing display, and had we snatched a result I would have been ecstatic but couldn't put my hand on my heart and say we overly deserved it. In fact it would have been papering over the cracks.

We are currently 5 matches without a win. You hear many fans from teams overseas saying they are focussing on getting "x points from the next block of x games". If we were applying the same to our situation, we should have been aiming to get 7 points from the last 3 games as a minimum. Wins against the struggling Nix, Mariners and a point form City.

Looking ahead we have Victory, Perth and Sydney. We will be doing well, I think, to get 1 point. Victory are rested, Sydney undefeated and we haven't beaten Perth in 5 years, let alone winning over there in over 10 years or bringing back even a point 8 years ago.

I've got a real fear things are going to get worse before they get better.

[q-money]

I'm with you on this. From behind the goal, it looked like a fair shout for a penalty. I put that reaction down to my bias, but maybe the replay suggests the same thing?

tbh i've never seen anything like it given and i can't imagine it ever would be, so not crying about it - but it doesn't look great.

there is no way kokko could possibly see what was coming, hence why he got smacked in the side of the head

[RAM]

No pen imo, shit happens.

[WolfMan]

^^^

Many thanks for setting me straight comrades.

Jets deserve nothing. Agreed

[Macca]

For me, it should be treated the same way soft refereeing would deal with "regular" challenges in the middle of the park. If you blindside someone and take their legs out or even body challenges, ie knock someone over with a shoulder from just behind or in the back, it would be a free kick most times. With perfect information, if the ref knew he got blindsided and essentially got ran through to hit the ball - then I think it should be a foul. Asking a tough question there of the ref though. I couldnt' really tell what happened from the stands and as such I didn't feel aggrieved with a lack of decision.

While on that point though. It was beyond me how Tavares? is it, their black CM, did not get a card yesterday. He committed two professional fouls much worse and more blatant than the one that Poljak got carded for yesterday, the only difference was that his were in the first half and Poljak's in the second. I know its often a reality of how the games are managed but it still pisses me off seeing the same thing in the same match treated differently based on what the clock says.

To clarify I don't mind the refs being a bit lenient in the first 10 minutes but if you're gonna book people from 55 minutes on for soft as shit fouls (Nabbout's card, no problem with Poljak's yellow) then at 25 minutes in people blatantly dragging people back for several seconds should be carded. Especially if its not even the first time they've done it that match.

[StannyCFCJET]

Yesterday was a disappointing display, and had we snatched a result I would have been ecstatic but couldn't put my hand on my heart and say we overly deserved it. In fact it would have been papering over the cracks.

We are currently 5 matches without a win. You hear many fans from teams overseas saying they are focussing on getting "x points from the next block of x games". If we were applying the same to our situation, we should have been aiming to get 7 points from the last 3 games as a minimum. Wins against the struggling Nix, Mariners and a point form City.

Looking ahead we have Victory, Perth and Sydney. We will be doing well, I think, to get 1 point. Victory are rested, Sydney undefeated and we haven't beaten Perth in 5 years, let alone winning over there in over 10 years or bringing back even a point 8 years ago.

I've got a real fear things are going to get worse before they get better.

Under Jones no way there gonna get better

[Hunter403]

I think the game has been well discussed here.

What has been let go was the shit awful performance by the galloping Kermit in green.

He was appalling both ways.

Cracked me up at one stage to see Hoole ankle biting Tavares (?) on halfway while the big man held his shirt and had his hand in Hoole's gut holding him off, then 5 seconds late the most powderpuff challenge from Hoff gives them a free kick. There was also a farcical high foot incident, the ignored push in the back that led to a free kick for them 30 seconds later (they scored), Kokko's jaw and the red card ( I have no sympathy for the Coasties but if it had been one of ours I would be pissed off). One of the worst refereeing performances I have seen in a while.

Also upset to hear of Kokko's jaw. It means the pea hearted haircut will keep playing. Get fit Haliti! We could have used your passion yesterday!

[furns]

Podcast review of this match will be available from 7am. Some great discussions on our inability to start games with any urgency or fluidity amongst other topics.

[hawk]

Under Jones no way there gonna get better

the next tombstone has this on it