Finishing

[halo se7en]

Is this something that can be taught?

Hoole seems incapable of it, and Clut doesn't appear great at it either. Even Hoole's goal on the weekend didn't seem to be cleanly hit and only snuck in, and Clut had a brilliant chance at the end that he struck embarrassingly wide and with no conviction at all.

This post isn't about those players, but whether people think finishing is something that a player can learn? Some players seem to be natural finishers and know how to strike a ball. Other players know where to pop up, but can only succeed in somehow bundling the ball over the line time and again but with no real finesse/surety etc..

I was against signing Bridge or Smeltz last week. After the performance on Saturday, I'm now wondering whether it would be helpful to have a natural finisher on the end of our chances.

[Grimario]

I think Hoole's goal only went in because 9999/10000 times he hits that with his right foot and attempts to curl it in. I think he took Reddy by surprise hitting it with his left foot.


I reckon we just need to hire Griff to the coaching staff as our finishing coach.

[q-money]

Don't McBreen and Griff actually run a finishing school for strikers?

[MFKS]

Watch these blokes st warm up.

When they do the shooting drill.

Watch how far they miss by
Watch how often they miss.


Obviously there is no expectations on them to get things right.

Watch the rivals HAL side and their efforts. They will look like getting it right matters.


I remember going to watch game in England years ago.

First game I went to see was at QPR who were a Championship side at the time.

The shooting drill that day it was noticeable the ability to strike the ball

Basically every bloke put their foot through it at top power and belted it at goal.
Now the accuracy was not 100%but they had the power there.

Our blokes neither strike balls well consistently or strike the ball accurately

I will say this is a skill that can be coached

[Jardelsimage]

i dont think you can teach this, its part of you or its not.
unfortunately we don't have a finisher, we have a finish player who was hired to do the finishing, but the coach doesn't like him apparently, as he was the other coaches finisher.

[Wilso8948]

People aren't born with ability. It's drilled into them at a young age. Being able to know where areas of the goal is without looking for it. They do it so often that it becomes second nature. This becomes harder as you get older. Nabbout has it. Clut can finish and would have had one in first half if it wasn't for Reddy's outstanding save.
Train how you play. You train half hearted you will play half hearted.

[halo se7en]

i dont think you can teach this, its part of you or its not.
unfortunately we don't have a finisher, we have a finish player who was hired to do the finishing, but the coach doesn't like him apparently, as he was the other coaches finisher.

Do you mean Kokko? I think his injury has kept him out more than Jones.

MFKS - I haven't been there early enough this season, but have noticed in previous seasons we've had players who don't seem to have any trouble finding the net well in those warm up drills, and then come game time they freeze up and scuff the ball to the keeper.

Maybe there's two different factors here - striking a ball well, and striking it well under pressure. I've seen guys in All Age P strike a ball well without any pressure in training/warm up drills. On game day, they look like they've never kicked a ball before.

I'm still not sure what category Clut falls under.

[Jardelsimage]

[QUOTE=halo se7en;169201]Do you mean Kokko? I think his injury has kept him out more than Jones.

cant remember if it was the end of the telecast on Saturday night or sunday sports show, commentators were discussing this and kokko was mentioned about being released in the next window, due to being millers man.

haven't seen much of him due to injury, but dosent matter where you play, if your a finisher your a finisher.....

[plague]

i dont think you can teach this, its part of you or its not.


i mean, thats a pretty weird thing to say.

now if you'll excuse me im off to burn down some schools.
useless buildings........

[halo se7en]

cant remember if it was the end of the telecast on Saturday night or sunday sports show, commentators were discussing this and kokko was mentioned about being released in the next window, due to being millers man.

haven't seen much of him due to injury, but dosent matter where you play, if your a finisher your a finisher.....

Oh ok, I didn't hear that. If the guy was crocked then fair enough, but I think he's been a little unlucky so far.

[Wilso8948]

i mean, thats a pretty weird thing to say.

now if you'll excuse me im off to burn down some schools.
useless buildings........

I was born a mad ****. I just went their for 13 years for the bitches.

[WolfMan]

I would agree that some players find finishing comes naturally to them.

I don't believe this is the only way to acquire the skill. Hard work and repetition can vastly improve a player's ability to finish.

Think about academics - some kids don't need to study too much to get good grades. Others have to work their butt off to reach that same level. It's all attainable

[Wilso8948]

I think we are getting confused between having better coordination etc then others, to actually putting a ball in the back of the net. This is something only training can improve. How far someone is limited to be able to do this often comes back to their natural instincts such as reaction, coordination etc. All these are still taught from a young age.

If we argue that a person has 'Natural ability' such as finishing but once born is neither raised well or this 'ability' nurtured, does this person still have it? It just doesn't make sense. A lot like the crap I write..

[Hunter403]

Practice in striking the ball with accuracy will improve anybody.

The human eye is drawn to light (colour) and movement. You kick/throw/bowl where you look. The trick for a good striker is not to look at the moving keeper in the colourful shirt. Look at him and that is where the ball will go. A good striker needs to train his mind to look at the stationery place where he wants the ball to go.

[Jeterpool]

cant remember if it was the end of the telecast on Saturday night or sunday sports show, commentators were discussing this and kokko was mentioned about being released in the next window, due to being millers man.

haven't seen much of him due to injury, but dosent matter where you play, if your a finisher your a finisher.....

Hang on. What!?

[Jardelsimage]

i mean, thats a pretty weird thing to say.

now if you'll excuse me im off to burn down some schools.
useless buildings........

????????

[MFKS]

Do you mean Kokko? I think his injury has kept him out more than Jones.

MFKS - I haven't been there early enough this season, but have noticed in previous seasons we've had players who don't seem to have any trouble finding the net well in those warm up drills, and then come game time they freeze up and scuff the ball to the keeper.

Maybe there's two different factors here - striking a ball well, and striking it well under pressure. I've seen guys in All Age P strike a ball well without any pressure in training/warm up drills. On game day, they look like they've never kicked a ball before.

I'm still not sure what category Clut falls under.

I seriously doubt our blokes are actually held too accountable for failure at pretty much anything.

Not having a pop here but as a football club with the kulcha we have had of tolerating failure and re signing the likes of Kanta BK Hoffman etc without much interest in noticeable improvement it say to me none of these blokes are under any pressure

I would suggest these blokes in all facets of them being professional footballers at our club are not put under enough pressure to succeed and improve

As a result we have a squad full of players who constantly deliver underachievement at our club


Maybe if our club actually aspires and pursues perfection instead of the attitude they have of being happy participating then we may get somewhere at seeing blokes improve

[Tommyjet]

[QUOTE=halo se7en;169201]Do you mean Kokko? I think his injury has kept him out more than Jones.

cant remember if it was the end of the telecast on Saturday night or sunday sports show, commentators were discussing this and kokko was mentioned about being released in the next window, due to being millers man.

haven't seen much of him due to injury, but dosent matter where you play, if your a finisher your a finisher.....

Sunday sports show? You mean shootout with tara rushton?
I dont recall hearing it during the game telecast

[Jardelsimage]

[QUOTE=Jardelsimage;169204]

Sunday sports show? You mean shootout with tara rushton?
I dont recall hearing it during the game telecast

not sure might have even been on the radio, but when they said it and it was definitely a male commentator, I thought that's interesting....
was Bozza on the A-league wrap up on Saturday night after the game, I keep thinking it was him...for some reason..

[leftrightout]

I would have thought Kokko would be our best Finnish-er for sure! :lulzturtle::lulzturtle:

[Thomas477]

Do you mean Kokko? I think his injury has kept him out more than Jones.

MFKS - I haven't been there early enough this season, but have noticed in previous seasons we've had players who don't seem to have any trouble finding the net well in those warm up drills, and then come game time they freeze up and scuff the ball to the keeper.

Maybe there's two different factors here - striking a ball well, and striking it well under pressure. I've seen guys in All Age P strike a ball well without any pressure in training/warm up drills. On game day, they look like they've never kicked a ball before.

I'm still not sure what category Clut falls under.

I reckon I could name one just quietly..... :whistling:

But to me I think it can be taught, but the players need to show the drive to want to improve, as I think the member said, our blokes don't seem to care if they miss.

[halo se7en]

I reckon I could name one just quietly..... :whistling:


Harsh but fair lol

[hawk]

Whats kokkos stats? google someone

[redwah]

There's a big difference between smashing a lay off into the net with the youth team keeper in goal and actual real game time finishing.

Who's the best finisher in the a league?.....how many do they score from lay offs on the edge of the box.....fact is kokko looks like our only out and out striker and he's hardly had any opportunity to show if/how good he is.

[turbojetfireV8]

[QUOTE=Tommyjet;169230]

not sure might have even been on the radio, but when they said it and it was definitely a male commentator, I thought that's interesting....
was Bozza on the A-league wrap up on Saturday night after the game, I keep thinking it was him...for some reason..

can just see us release Kokko, for him to be snapped up by any other team in the league and start banging goals in second half of the season for fun - that would be typical Jets foresight to release potential and keep the chaff...

[hawk]

[QUOTE=Jardelsimage;169238]

can just see us release Kokko, for him to be snapped up by any other team in the league and start banging goals in second half of the season for fun - that would be typical Jets foresight to release potential and keep the chaff...

why not, what has he done?

[MFKS]

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There's a big difference between smashing a lay off into the net with the youth team keeper in goal and actual real game time finishing.

Who's the best finisher in the a league?.....how many do they score from lay offs on the edge of the box.....fact is kokko looks like our only out and out striker and he's hardly had any opportunity to show if/how good he is.


So if your theory holds true then your Jordan Speiths your Jason Days your Rory McIlroys shouldn't bother practicing sinking a 6ft putt as it ain't replicating the pressure of a real match situation where the putt is worth trophies and $$$
??


Golf is a perfect example of how skills and ability to execute skills is developed from practice and repetition.

It ain't a natural gift. It is hard work and practice that sets the great players apart from the others.

Just as it is in football.

It is an acquired skill that Cr7 Messi etc have Honed through practice

[turbojetfireV8]

[QUOTE=turbojetfireV8;169269]

why not, what has he done?

from the very little game time he's had thanks to Trani's extras in the preseason and a gyppo headbutt, he's drawn the defenders, made chances and looked dangerous - something we've been lacking for a while, we need him out on the field, not f*cking releasing him so he can score against us first time we come up against him...

[GazFish35]

Service to Kokko has been horrid.

The bloke put a header on target and drew an great save from the keeper with it, while his jaw was broken.
I reckon that suggests he might have something to offer if we get him the ball.

[sorefootballer]

Wtf is it with people wanting kokko gone? Fu*k me!

[redwah]

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So if your theory holds true then your Jordan Speiths your Jason Days your Rory McIlroys shouldn't bother practicing sinking a 6ft putt as it ain't replicating the pressure of a real match situation where the putt is worth trophies and $$$
??


Golf is a perfect example of how skills and ability to execute skills is developed from practice and repetition.

It ain't a natural gift. It is hard work and practice that sets the great players apart from the others.

Just as it is in football.

It is an acquired skill that Cr7 Messi etc have Honed through practice

Are we signing one of them....wow what a surprise. Didn't think the owner would stump up that much cash....though Rory is a manc so he'd do anything for cash no doubt.


Oh and no my "theory" is completely opposite to your example because in golf a six foot putt is something that happens on a regular basis.

I agree that striking a ball, placement, power all are skills that should be practiced, just the same that juggling can help with ball control but would you have one of those guys that does the thousand juggles and tricks as our no 10.... can he run with the ball, can he pass a ball, can he juggle it if some thug like Seb rhiall is kicking him across the knees.....

[halo se7en]

There's a big difference between smashing a lay off into the net with the youth team keeper in goal and actual real game time finishing.

Who's the best finisher in the a league?.....how many do they score from lay offs on the edge of the box.....fact is kokko looks like our only out and out striker and he's hardly had any opportunity to show if/how good he is.

Fornaroli without a doubt. Would bank on him finding the net from anywhere within 30yds of goal.

[MFKS]

Are we signing one of them....wow what a surprise. Didn't think the owner would stump up that much cash....though Rory is a manc so he'd do anything for cash no doubt.


Oh and no my "theory" is completely opposite to your example because in golf a six foot putt is something that happens on a regular basis.

I agree that striking a ball, placement, power all are skills that should be practiced, just the same that juggling can help with ball control but would you have one of those guys that does the thousand juggles and tricks as our no 10.... can he run with the ball, can he pass a ball, can he juggle it if some thug like Seb rhiall is kicking him across the knees.....

Nice work going round in circles


Your original point was about the benefits of practice and you basically said practice isn't that important as it doesn't replicate the pressure of a match situation

That is true it doesn't replicate the pressure of asthma match

Standing over a a 6ft putt on the practice green ain't the same as standing over a 6ft at Augusta with the Masters on the line

But the reason these blokes practice that 6ft putt is so they have a technique that stands up under pressure

Just as they hit thousands of balls at the range each week. So it stands up under pressure


Skills to execute under pressure are developed by practice

No other way

[Retro Jet]

Is this something that can be taught?

Hoole seems incapable of it, and Clut doesn't appear great at it either. Even Hoole's goal on the weekend didn't seem to be cleanly hit and only snuck in, and Clut had a brilliant chance at the end that he struck embarrassingly wide and with no conviction at all.

This post isn't about those players, but whether people think finishing is something that a player can learn? Some players seem to be natural finishers and know how to strike a ball. Other players know where to pop up, but can only succeed in somehow bundling the ball over the line time and again but with no real finesse/surety etc..

I was against signing Bridge or Smeltz last week. After the performance on Saturday, I'm now wondering whether it would be helpful to have a natural finisher on the end of our chances.

Practice what you want to be good at...

[halo se7en]

Nice work going round in circles


Your original point was about the benefits of practice and you basically said practice isn't that important as it doesn't replicate the pressure of a match situation

That is true it doesn't replicate the pressure of asthma match

Standing over a a 6ft putt on the practice green ain't the same as standing over a 6ft at Augusta with the Masters on the line

But the reason these blokes practice that 6ft putt is so they have a technique that stands up under pressure

Just as they hit thousands of balls at the range each week. So it stands up under pressure


Skills to execute under pressure are developed by practice

No other way

So there's hope for Hoole as long as he practices, but he better be quick or he'll go the same way as Virgili.

[Jeterpool]

I really got a lot from reading the book BOUNCE.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bounce-Myth-Talent-Power-Practice/dp/0007350546

[6ft11]

So there's hope for Hoole as long as he practices, but he better be quick or he'll go the same way as Virgili.

Rest assured there's NO hope for AHoole, we're stuck with him and that's exactly why Arnold showed him the door from SFC,
1. Uncoachable
2. Can't shoot

[Jardelsimage]

Rest assured there's NO hope for AHoole, we're stuck with him and that's exactly why Arnold showed him the door from SFC,
1. Uncoachable
2. Can't shoot

go to the top of the class young man.........

[stopper2]

Natural striker instincts ie being in the right place at the right time, deciding in a split second whether to shoot or take a touch, whether to head the ball or chest it etc can be worked on and improved to a certain extent but ultimately a player either has it or they don't.
Technique in regards to shooting, striking the ball as Member has mentioned can be worked on and with repetition improved greatly so that a player is hitting it with confidence and belief that he will hit the target nearly every time.

[plague]

of course we aren't allowed to put any of the focus on the teachers are we............

[redwah]

Nice work going round in circles


Your original point was about the benefits of practice and you basically said practice isn't that important as it doesn't replicate the pressure of a match situation

That is true it doesn't replicate the pressure of asthma match

Standing over a a 6ft putt on the practice green ain't the same as standing over a 6ft at Augusta with the Masters on the line

But the reason these blokes practice that 6ft putt is so they have a technique that stands up under pressure

Just as they hit thousands of balls at the range each week. So it stands up under pressure


Skills to execute under pressure are developed by practice

No other way

Thanks again for reading my mind but as usual you are wrong. My original point was that the drill the team does in warm up where they shoot a lay off from the edge of the box at the youth team keeper isn't in any way a usual shooting practice that would be replicated in a game on a regular basis.

I've got no issue with it as a shooting drill and there are some guys that are pretty ordinary....I reckon some of the guys in my o35s could do better and I totally agree that repetition is the best way to learn a skill...I just don't think if a guy is shit at that drill he is necessarily a poor finisher.

[MFKS]

If the bloke who is shit at that drill is worse than his Jets teammates then judging by their incompetence at finding the net then it safe to say drill or not his finishing ability is pretty shit.


Most of our blokes couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo

[GazFish35]

Most of our blokes couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo

I played out at Colo one year, on the grass farms, the opposition striker was through on goal and put the ball wide to left of the goals... His keeper was clearly heard yelling "smithy you useless git, you couldn't hit a barn door"
In their next attack only moments later "smithy" hit a shot wider of the target, so far and high to the right it cleared the perimeter fence and hit the door of machinery shed of an ajoining farm... Then his keeper yelled "well smithy, you proved wrong"

[RAM]

I played out at Colo one year, on the grass farms, the opposition striker was through on goal and put the ball wide to left of the goals... His keeper was clearly heard yelling "smithy you useless git, you couldn't hit a barn door"
In their next attack only moments later "smithy" hit a shot wider of the target, so far and high to the right it cleared the perimeter fence and hit the door of machinery shed of an ajoining farm... Then his keeper yelled "well smithy, you proved wrong"

:rof:

I've played at many rural grounds but not one had a barn next to it. :rof:

[The Dunster]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/07/article-2622623-1DA5787800000578-316_634x348.jpg

[Jeterpool]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/07/article-2622623-1DA5787800000578-316_634x348.jpg

What day were you at training?

[steve136]

Hey guys.

[Hunter403]

Our blokes would struggle to finish in a brothel!

[plague]

Hey guys what's the opposite of 'a clinic'?

Just wondering.

Cheers,
Plague.

[halo se7en]

Thread title change: "Finishing / Decision-making". Both are ****ed.