16/17 HAL Round 13 | Melbourne Victory vs Newcastle Jets | Mon 2nd Jan 2017 750pm

[furns]

Jeterpool has the week off, so allow me to blatantly copy&paste and add +1 to the relevant stats


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2016/2017 Hyundai A-LeagueSeason 12 Round 13
Melbourne Victory vs Newcastle United Jets FC

When: Monday 2nd January, 2017
Where: Simonds Stadium, 370 Moorabool Street, South Geelong VIC 3220
Kickoff: 750pm AEDST (gates open 630pm)

Away Supporters
Tickets: Ticketek Link (http://www.ticketmaster.com.au/melbourne-victory-v-newcastle-jets-geelong-victoria-02-01-2017/event/2500517E84F90CD5?artistid=10***45&majorcatid=10004&minorcatid=11)
Purchase your tickets in Section 11 in the Players Stand to sit with the away supporters

Not Travelling?
Join fellow Jets supporters from 6pm at our new venue The Premier Hotel to watch the away game LIVE. All supporters are welcome - u18's will need to be accompanied by a supervising adult.
If you sign up to become a Premier Hotel member for $10, you receive $10 in credit on your card. Ask for a membership form at the bar. A Premier Hotel membership gets you a 5% discount on food & drink not only at Premier but also at Junction Hotel & Sunnyside Tavern. You can purchase members only schooner cards - 10 schooners of local tap beers $55 or 10 schooners of craft tap beers $65.

Watch: LIVE on Foxsports 4 and FoxSports 4HD
Listen: ABC Grandstand Radio online/app or EON Sports Radio app
Tweet: @SquadronNewy #NTUA #MVCvNEW

FIXTURE FACTS
Overall – 34 matches between the two teams.
Jets Wins - 14, Victory Wins - 12, Drawn - 8


In Newcastle – 16 matches.
Jets Wins - 8, Victory Wins - 3, Drawn - 5
In Melbourne - 18 matches
Jets Wins - 6, Victory Wins - 9, Drawn - 3


Goals in Fixture
Jets – 45, Victory - 47
In Melbourne -
Jets – 18, Victory - 28


1st Goals in Fixture
Jets – 18, Victory - 14


Cards in Fixture
Jets - 67 (62 yellow, 5 red), Victory 61 (58 yellow, 3 red)


Recent Form (A-League)
Jets - LLWWD (7 points from last 15)
Victory - WDWWW (13 points from last 15)


Leading Scorers
Jets - Andrew Nabbout, Andrew Hoole (3)
Victory – Besart Berisha (9)


Last Result -
Victory 2 (Iain Fyfe OG 52' Marco Rojas 54') at Simonds Stadium Geelong, A-League, Round 8, 26/11/2016.


FIXTURE RECORDS


Biggest Win
Jets 4 (Bridge 36’, Bridge 48’, Coveny 51’, J Griffiths 73’) – Victory 0 at Hunter Stadium, Round 21, Season 2006/07, 19/01/2007.


Heaviest Defeat
Jets 0 – Victory 5 (Hernandez 41’, Thompson 50’, Allsopp 61’, Allsopp 64’, Brebner 90’), Round 3, Season 2008/09 at Telstra Dome, 29/08/2008.


Leading Scorers in fixture –


Jets - Joel Griffiths (5)
Victory - Archie Thompson (7)


COACHING
Coaches Head to Head – 1 matches
Mark Jones - 0 wins, Kevin Muscat - 1 wins, 0 drawn


Newcastle Jets A-League Coaching Records –
Mark Jones - 1 matches (0 wins, 0 drawn, 1 losses = 0% win ratio)
Scott Miller - 3 matches (1 win, 1 draw, 1 loss = 33% win ratio)
Phil Stubbins - 3 matches (1 win, 1 draw, 1 loss = 33% win ratio)
Gary Van Egmond – 16 matches (10 wins, 2 drawn and 4 losses = 63% win ratio)
Richard Money – 3 matches (1 win, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 33% win ratio)
Branko Culina – 6 matches (1 wins, 2 drawn, 3 losses = 17% win ratio)
Nick Theodorakopoulos – 1 match (0 wins, 0 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Craig Deans – 1 match (0 wins, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Clayton Zane – 1 match (0 wins, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)


Melbourne Victory Coach Record – Kevin Muscat 36% win ratio (4 wins, 4 drawn, 3 losses)


TALKING POINTS:
Memorable Match - 3/3/2012. Round 22, Season 2011/12
The Jets were on a good run in 2012, having lost only once in 6 matches. Facing a Victory team boasting Harry Kewell, the Jets struck after 20 minutes through Ryan Griffiths. Kewell converted a controversial penalty on 24 minutes before youngster Jacob Pepper popped up and scored a double in 9 minutes before half time to give the Jets a 3-1 lead. This would be the final score and continue the Jets mid-season revival and run to the finals.


General
The Jets lost 3-1 to Victory in the Round of 32 in this year's FFA Cup
The Jets have not beaten the Victory in the last 3 fixtures, and didn't score in 2 of those matches


Newcastle Jets
The Jets have never won a game played on a Monday night on 9 previous occasions
The Jets are currently undefeated in 3 matches



Melbourne Victory
Marcos Rojas has scored 5 goals and provided 2 assists in his last 3 appearances against the Jets.
Victory have won all of their previous 8 fixtures played on a Monday night
This game is being played in Geelong on a Monday night. No one knows why.

[Couscous]

Giant game that will determine the club's future.

Victory 1-3 Jets.

Some Victory fans will boo Nabbout. Other Victory fans will boo those who are booing Nabbout, and will counter the booing by applauding Nabbout loudly. It will be very confusing, and difficult for the television audience to grasp the nuances of the situation.

The controversy will be worsened by Broxham taking out Nabbout in a very ugly tackle. Yellow card at least; hopefully a red.

Nabbout will go on to score a brace. Sugar or Brown will knock in the other, which will be a ripper from outside the box, assisted by a deflection.

[Macca]

Victory 2-1
Jets to play well but squander a heap of good chances. Victory to get some shit goals off mistakes or poor defense from us.

[rhysd]

Jets 2 - 1 Victory

Us to probably concede early in the game to bring out usual commentator dialect. Jets to storm home with nordstrand and Hoole to put one each in the back of the net.

Will be a thoroughly entertaining game with muscat to put blame on his players rather than his own ineptness.

[goaliepersempre]

Yay will be able to watch this game a little bit on DAZN over here..

Will have to set it up as I will be at work :( 930am

[hawk]

crap game with no meaning. Jets will use this as a training run.

[plague]

Chinese bloke to have a stormer, immediately leave the club.
Jones to mutter something under his breath.
Lowey to link us with 15 terrible players.
lose by about 3 or 4.

[turbojetfireV8]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4381264/sydney-show-the-way-but-victory-shaping-as-likely-challengers-to-arnolds-men/?cs=2439


The navy blues had a regulation 4-1 win over Central Coast in hot and steamy conditions in Melbourne on Wednesday night and will expect to pick up another three points when they host Newcastle Jets in Geelong on Monday.

They are expecting a walk over, so if we don't take that seriously we could be in deep sh*t on a hiding to nothing...

[Superdylan]

Not expecting much. Victory have been unstoppable of late.

Victory 3 Jets 1

[Jetmaster]

Expect the usual squeaky bum game....Jets 2-1...Hoole or Nabbout to be the diff.

[Grimario]

Line up announced.

Duncan
Hoff - Mullen - Johnny K - Vujica
Uga - Brown - Poljak
Nabby - Nobby - Nubby

[furns]

Anyone heading to the Premier - unfortunately it's apparently closed on public holidays. Head to SJ's instead.

[Mark325]

can understanding maybe giving Clut a rest from startin but not too sure why he's been completely omitted from the team

[Retro Jet]

Anyone heading to the Premier - unfortunately it's apparently closed on public holidays. Head to SJ's instead.

Went to Prem :(
See you at HT.

[Mark325]

wasnt a handball, unlucky for johnny k there

unlucky as well for duncan, went right way

[westjet]

Good to see your chest is part of your arm. Fmd!

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Why are these referees so shithouse week in week out

[plague]

clear pen.

[Hunter403]

Sorry Plague. I disagree

[Jetmaster]

clear pen.

Troll...

[Hunter403]

Crap penalty now 2 behind. Beware flood gates opening

[monz6]

We are doing it again. 2-0 down in Melbourne to win 3-2.

[steve136]

Reckon we'll ever contest a header in midfield?

[The Dunster]

Ball hit johnny K on the chest, Rojas was never onside for the goal.

Kunt of a ref.

[plague]

Rojas was never onside for the goal.
.

You are all still hungover from New Years.

Rojas got onside right when it mattered.

Penalty was harsh but it looked clear cut to me.

[MFKS]

Yeah ref not so good

Two biggest decisions he ping Hoole for handball when he away and has Brixham 1/1 when it hit his arse

Then he pings us for cheating the ball in the box

Why these blokes are losers is they took this decision laying down

Half our bench should have been sent to the stands
Half our team should have been booked

But no we ****ing wear it up the arse.

Even at HT our coaching staff should have been in that ****s ear about owing us a couple of ****ing square ups

[Retro Jet]

Ball hit johnny K on the chest, Rojas was never onside for the goal.

Kunt of a ref.

+1

Christine Beath:- turd gave a bs hand ball against Foole and it was all down hill after that.
Useless A-League refs - killing us. All his fault.

[Wilso8948]

Was playing to a good game plan until the decision ruined their mentality. Lost their shape and now almost out of it. Really lacking a creative no 10 and need a shitload more from nordstrand. If they get the mentality right in this team with 3/4 quality players we will compete in the 6. Until then I can only see us scraping in barely. Hoole has been one of our best tonight. I've been one of his biggest critics so kudos to him. Katroumbis is showing once again he is quality.

[Jetmaster]

Leijer said it hit Johnny's shoulder but that the way he moved his arm made the ref believe it was a pen....wtf??

[Hunter403]

Was playing to a good game plan until the decision ruined their mentality. Lost their shape and now almost out of it. Really lacking a creative no 10 and need a shitload more from nordstrand. If they get the mentality right in this team with 3/4 quality players we will compete in the 6. Until then I can only see us scraping in barely. Hoole has been one of our best tonight. I've been one of his biggest critics so kudos to him. Katroumbis is showing once again he is quality.

Agree to a point. Nordstrand not getting much opportunity so I think you might be being a bit harsh.

No penalty but can see why Beath called it from that angle. Best view was had by the linesman and he did sweet FA.

Second goal. Rojas was behind the ball when crossed. He was offside before that but the fwd movement of Triosi played him back in.

Victory very good at applying the bliw torch after they score. They did so today and we melted and conceded another.

Move Nordstand to 10 and get Kokko on the field. Probably take Poljak off or Nabbout or Hoole

[belchardo]

****ing LOL - Beath gives us a get square.

[Mark325]

are the jets using all 5 of the foreign players allowed? we got kokko, nobby, poljak and ma lei lei but not sure if vujica is counted as an import, was of the belief he wasnt

[Wilso8948]

I'm talking this game. Nordstrand has been poor. When he's needed a good touch numerous times he's been let down

[westjet]

No penalty but can see why Beath called it from that angle. Best view was had by the linesman and he did sweet FA.

He was 10m away with no obstructions between him and jonny considering they were saying that he has just been re-acreddited for fifa tournaments I would be expecting he gets that right.

[Wilso8948]

are the jets using all 5 of the foreign players allowed? we got kokko, nobby, poljak and ma lei lei but not sure if vujica is counted as an import, was of the belief he wasnt
Brown

[westjet]

are the jets using all 5 of the foreign players allowed? we got kokko, nobby, poljak and ma lei lei but not sure if vujica is counted as an import, was of the belief he wasnt

Brown is the 5th

[OmeletteDuFromage]

AHAHAHA ****, this refs ****ing cooked

[steve136]

Beath is f*cking AIDS

[weston]

How good is this ref

[Wilso8948]

Fmd.

[steve136]

Jones out.

[steve136]

Chinese Messi in

[OmeletteDuFromage]

haha what

[Wilso8948]

Jones out.
Wtf has jones done here? He's set us up well. We've played good football and created chances. Decisions go our way and it could be 2-2 right now. Maybe even 2-1 if we didn't go to water after the wrong call. Ffs stop with the coach is wrong bullshit and have an educated opinion

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Wtf has jones done here? He's set us up well. We've played good football and created chances. Decisions go our way and it could be 2-2 right now. Maybe even 2-1 if we didn't go to water after the wrong call. Ffs stop with the coach is wrong bullshit and have an educated opinion

this

[belchardo]

If beath referees next week it will be an absolute travesty. He's been seeing shit that ain't there all night but missing everything that is.

[cobra23]

Beath needs the biggest griffo nut slap right now

[Wilso8948]

I'll throw one out there. Mullen out.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

I'll throw one out there. Mullen out.

not opposed

[MFKS]

Mullen


FFS

Taking a dive in your own box

FMD

[cobra23]

Mullen you diving piece of shit , just cost us a goal

[belchardo]

Oh fuxk off mullen. What a ****ing dick.

[steve136]

Wtf has jones done here? He's set us up well. We've played good football and created chances. Decisions go our way and it could be 2-2 right now. Maybe even 2-1 if we didn't go to water after the wrong call. Ffs stop with the coach is wrong bullshit and have an educated opinion

We're getting railed like we always do against half-decent teams. Where is Clut tonight? Wtf is with this defensive set-up? Why is old man Nordstrand starting and chasing long balls over the top? You can kid yourself and think Jones is a decent coach but check back in with me after we finish 9th this season.

[westjet]

That was embarrassing by Mullen. Supposed to be a leader of the team and lets them down with that crap.

[Hunter403]

Is Mullen on the take? WTF was that?

Flood gates open it seems.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

We're getting railed like we always do against half-decent teams. Where is Clut tonight? Wtf is with this defensive set-up? Why is old man Nordstrand starting and chasing long balls over the top? You can kid yourself and think Jones is a decent coach but check back in with me after we finish 9th this season.

Nordstrand was fine last game and deserved this start. Hes ****ing butchered his chance though. Not sure why Clut wasnt brought but.

[cobra23]

Nordstrand shits over clut for pace

[Hunter403]

Call Lord Griff and gave him warm up his knuckles.
Mullen - sac wack
Beath - double sac wack

[Wilso8948]

We're getting railed like we always do against half-decent teams. Where is Clut tonight? Wtf is with this defensive set-up? Why is old man Nordstrand starting and chasing long balls over the top? You can kid yourself and think Jones is a decent coach but check back in with me after we finish 9th this season.

Totally disagree. For once I feel like we are a chance against bigger teams. We attack and look to score whilst keeping pretty sound at the back. Take out the past 10 mins of this game. Clut is a work in progress. You are playing victory in Geelong do you really think ya gonna go out and boss the **** outta the game? Of course you set up defensively. Victory will play a high line. Long balls will stretch the defence and give room for wide men and brown to play in behind. They have not done this every time just every so often to stretch and keep defence guessing. We've kept the ball better since. I'm not kidding myself I don't think he's a world beating coach ffs I just don't get the shit dumped on him when he's got a squad that is probably 7/8th best team in the league. And blaming him for individual errors. The coach sets the team up and sends them out with a game plan. We've played to it by my guess around 50% of this game and we've been the better side during this time. The other half we have been outclassed and gone to water. This is up to the players to learn from and grow as they gain experience

[MFKS]

Come of the Tards hand too
Surprised Beath didn't disallow Brown's goal

[belchardo]

Surprised beath didn't pull that back for handball against valeri

[westjet]

If he thinks there was a foul by thomas why is it not a red card seeing it was 1 v 1?

[monz6]

Old mate from victory does well to keep the ball in then gets an assist hahaha

[steve136]

I'm not kidding myself I don't think he's a world beating coach ffs I just don't get the shit dumped on him when he's got a squad that is probably 7/8th best team in the league.

Huge effort from Jones then to take the 7th best team to 7th place on the ladder.

[Wilso8948]

Huge effort from Jones then to take the 7th best team to 7th place on the ladder.

**** you missed my point again. Conte would coach this team and with the same squad we will finish 7th

[hawk]

Beath is f*cking AIDS

Always the same with us. He favours the big clubs and eats pieces of sh1t for breakfast

[The Dunster]

Huge effort from Jones then to take the 7th best team to 7th place on the ladder.

If you look at transfer values of players the Jets squad is valued at around half of every team in the league other than the gypos. To even be competitive let alone win games is a huge effort for the jets and their coach.

[goaliepersempre]

My german commentator is saying 10 Monday night games 10 losses? paging our resident stats man?


but that was rubbish at the back tonight... just fall apart, way to many missed passes and working together is poor.

[Wilso8948]

Brush that result off. Play like that every week and we will be competitive. Finally starting to enjoy watching these ****s. Even with the few **** ups for comedic value

[hawk]

Huge effort from Jones then to take the 7th best team to 7th place on the ladder.

On paper? We are the 9th best team but heart, effort and digger mentality gets us up there.

[Jeterpool]

On paper? We are the 9th best team but heart, effort and digger mentality gets us up there.

We're on the way up with mongrel, but we lost some ground tonight - no yellows

[Jeterpool]

My german commentator is saying 10 Monday night games 10 losses? paging our resident stats man?


but that was rubbish at the back tonight... just fall apart, way to many missed passes and working together is poor.

yep spot on. No wins.

[steve136]

On paper? We are the 9th best team but heart, effort and digger mentality gets us up there.

Nah our heart, effort and digger mentality will lead to us finishing 9th anyway, but it's ok because this isn't Jones' squad. Jones will get his squad in the offseason then we'll finish 9th next season anyway. Then we'll get a new coach and we'll finish 9th, but it's ok, because it won't be his squad it'll be Jones'....

[MFKS]

Normally I be pissed at losing

But we were not that bad

The ref ****ed us again and again and gave Victory every ****ing leg up he could


High time though our players and coaches tore into the referee
That was ****ing diabolical bad officiating

Huge call after Huge call went one way

And our club wore it


Don't see blokes like Mourinho or Ferguson let referees walk all over their club.
But our club let them

[Retro Jet]

Twas quiet at SJ's.
Only saw the Member there with his Wanderers shirt and St Pauli cap...

[steve136]

If you look at transfer values of players the Jets squad is valued at around half of every team in the league other than the gypos. To even be competitive let alone win games is a huge effort for the jets and their coach.

Yeah but tranfermarkt also values Kanta as our most valuable player so I'm not sure how much I trust those kind of sites.

[hawk]

Twas quiet at SJ's.
Only saw the Member there with his Wanderers shirt and St Pauli cap...

Rbb said they would bash him if he took it off.

[The Dunster]

Yeah but tranfermarkt also values Kanta as our most valuable player so I'm not sure how much I trust those kind of sites.

I'm confident the Jets budget is less than half what the other clubs spend as well. The top four teams have 6 players outside the salary cap for starters.

[Couscous]

☹️

[Wilso8948]

Nah our heart, effort and digger mentality will lead to us finishing 9th anyway, but it's ok because this isn't Jones' squad. Jones will get his squad in the offseason then we'll finish 9th next season anyway. Then we'll get a new coach and we'll finish 9th, but it's ok, because it won't be his squad it'll be Jones'....

Woah back tha **** up. This coming from the man who stated "jones out"? Wants the same thing to happen.. man it's late I'm going to bed

[steve136]

Woah back tha **** up. This coming from the man who stated "jones out"? Wants the same thing to happen.. man it's late I'm going to bed

I think you missed my point with this. The Jets management/owners will continue to install below-par coaches who will offer up excuses for their lack of success, and blame the circumstances rather than their own ineptitudes.

[Jeterpool]

At 2-0 Jones could have gone into damage control. Instead he made 2 attacking subs and the team continued the play the way they were sent out. That's a positive to take from tonight for sure

[turbojetfireV8]

Was still frustrated how long it took Jones to bring Ma and Kokko on, but at least they both got more than 5min for a change, that has to go down as a positive. Still can't understand why we are so keen to sign weak ankles when what we really could do with is a decent attacking mid, I really can't see how wankles would have made a difference in a game like that, yet someone like Troisi on our side would have given us another option rather than Hoole killing off chance after chance going nowhere down the wing without being able to get it in to anyone

[StannyCFCJET]

Was still frustrated how long it took Jones to bring Ma and Kokko on, but at least they both got more than 5min for a change, that has to go down as a positive. Still can't understand why we are so keen to sign weak ankles when what we really could do with is a decent attacking mid, I really can't see how wankles would have made a difference in a game like that, yet someone like Troisi on our side would have given us another option rather than Hoole killing off chance after chance going nowhere down the wing without being able to get it in to anyone

Shhh Hoole is a local and will come good in 10 years. Better not criticise him or you'll be seen as a fake supporter

[Retro Jet]

Measure twice, mark (cut) once...
Fmd. Amateur hour in Geelong.
Didn't know this happened pre game. lofl


http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/01/02/victory-forced-hasty-pre-match-box-respray

[Mark325]

Brown

cheers, was so confused who it was

[parksey]

Shhh Hoole is a local and will come good in 10 years. Better not criticise him or you'll be seen as a fake supporter

No, criticising Hoole even when he plays well is when you'll be seen as a fake fan. Wasn't his best game but still outperformed Nabbout and Nordstrand among others.

[MFKS]

Not worry about criticising Hoole.

We bag him enough here and his player agent will appear here to defend his selection in the team like he did on Facebook


On that note two things that stood out last night.

1 Leigh Broxham is a shit player. Even being played out of position he had Hoole in his pocket last night

2 No one slipped over all night except for Hoole when he got the ball in the box and in prime position to score

Can his agent explain why these things happened??

[Wilso8948]

Ffs the bloke slipped. He was one of our best players on the park last night. Play the ball not the man

[Couscous]

Did they boo Nabbout?

[belchardo]

there may have been one time i heard some booing.

[Jetmaster]

If this was a Matchday Saturday game with the Fox Panel and it was SFC or Victory or City copping those decisions Bozza would have ensured Beath was hauled before the cameras to explain himself.

Don't know why we want a second division - there are already two divisions in the league, just expand the bottom one and leave Sydney and Melbourne to fill the top league.

[WolfMan]

But no we ****ing wear it up the arse.



I've read somewhere that's a sin

[plague]

I've read somewhere that's a sin

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--wnntFHv---/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/ea374nbquijk108icznv.gif

[MFKS]

Ffs the bloke slipped. He was one of our best players on the park last night. Play the ball not the man
last night he slipped

In the past he has tripped over for no reason

Just trying to get to the bottom of why this bloke ends up on the floor so often needlessly

[Hunter403]

I'd like to see stats on how we go under Beath. For some reason I feel like we always cop the rough end of the pineapple when we have him.

[Jeterpool]

I'd like to see stats on how we go under Beath. For some reason I feel like we always cop the rough end of the pineapple when we have him.

I'll look into it later. I've got the info available

[borat]

**** you missed my point again. Conte would coach this team and with the same squad we will finish 7th

That's rubbish and both Jones and Mckinna said as much at the start of the season. This is a top 6 squad being coached by a rookie

[borat]

Was still frustrated how long it took Jones to bring Ma and Kokko on, but at least they both got more than 5min for a change, that has to go down as a positive. Still can't understand why we are so keen to sign weak ankles when what we really could do with is a decent attacking mid, I really can't see how wankles would have made a difference in a game like that, yet someone like Troisi on our side would have given us another option rather than Hoole killing off chance after chance going nowhere down the wing without being able to get it in to anyone

We have one of the best up and coming #10's in the HAL. Jones didn't even select in the squad and plays him at 9 when in the team.

[Retro Jet]

Not worry about criticising Hoole.

We bag him enough here and his player agent will appear here to defend his selection in the team like he did on Facebook


On that note two things that stood out last night.

1 Leigh Broxham is a shit player. Even being played out of position he had Hoole in his pocket last night

2 No one slipped over all night except for Hoole when he got the ball in the box and in prime position to score

Can his agent explain why these things happened??

Daniel Mullen 'slipped' at a pretty critical moment....IIRC

[Macca]

Result aside the performance was pretty decent. We got screwed by the handball call which gave them a couple of goals and dominance for the last 15 of the first half. Prior to that and at many stages in the second half we looked quite comfortable on the ball and held on to it better than they did. Not a lot of end product still, in a lot of cases a final pass or composure from the final player would be getting us a lot of chances. I still think on another night we would be a great chance of a result out of that game. As the commentators mentioned, that pen really did change the game.

Nordstrand struggled a bit starting, I think he has earned another shot with recent performances but possibly he will do his best work coming on for the last half hour with tired defenders around him. Alternatively I think he is definitely a better second striker than a lone striker, with Kokko coming back in perhaps a system change could be in order. Koutroumbis and Vujica performing well again, and Cowburn actually did quite well I thought when he came on. Perhaps a bit of time out of the team gave him something to prove. CMs all played pretty well. Maybe missing a bit of ingenuity in the final third from one of them but better performances from the strikers or wingers can alleviate that pressure off them.

Not sure what the go is with Clut, he was pretty ineffective last week but had been one of our best for the few weeks before that. I find it hard to believe he was dropped from the squad entirely for one off performance. Maybe a niggle? I feel like Kokko with some more game time is going to do good things with any good service he gets (ground or aerial) in the box, he strikes me as a pretty good finisher, and you can see he has had some good headed attempts from difficult positions.

Plenty of doom and gloom in the thread but how many were expecting that we should win that game? I'd much rather lose the way we did with some poor luck and a confident performance than a 1-0 loss with 10 men behind the ball all game and 10+ saves from the keeper.

[MFKS]

We have one of the best up and coming #10's in the HAL. Jones didn't even select in the squad and plays him at 9 when in the team.

You talking about Clut like he the second coming of Zidane

I think he more like the second coming of Patafta

He only at our club as no one else want him

[Tommyjet]

You talking about Clut like he the second coming of Zidane

I think he more like the second coming of Patafta

He only at our club as no one else want him

Not sure about the stats but i think he has created more scoring opportunities than brown and i doubt it would be close.

[borat]

You talking about Clut like he the second coming of Zidane

I think he more like the second coming of Patafta

He only at our club as no one else want him

It's a fact. Just like Jones has no idea what he is doing. Swaps and changes his front players every week depending on last weeks results with no real plan. Then wonders why we struggle for combinations.

Neither Clut or Nordstrand are 9's. Both can do a job but eventually the opposition will work them out and isolate them. The only 9's in the squad Jones won't play.

[borat]

Result aside the performance was pretty decent. We got screwed by the handball call which gave them a couple of goals and dominance for the last 15 of the first half. Prior to that and at many stages in the second half we looked quite comfortable on the ball and held on to it better than they did. Not a lot of end product still, in a lot of cases a final pass or composure from the final player would be getting us a lot of chances. I still think on another night we would be a great chance of a result out of that game. As the commentators mentioned, that pen really did change the game.

Nordstrand struggled a bit starting, I think he has earned another shot with recent performances but possibly he will do his best work coming on for the last half hour with tired defenders around him. Alternatively I think he is definitely a better second striker than a lone striker, with Kokko coming back in perhaps a system change could be in order. Koutroumbis and Vujica performing well again, and Cowburn actually did quite well I thought when he came on. Perhaps a bit of time out of the team gave him something to prove. CMs all played pretty well. Maybe missing a bit of ingenuity in the final third from one of them but better performances from the strikers or wingers can alleviate that pressure off them.

Not sure what the go is with Clut, he was pretty ineffective last week but had been one of our best for the few weeks before that. I find it hard to believe he was dropped from the squad entirely for one off performance. Maybe a niggle? I feel like Kokko with some more game time is going to do good things with any good service he gets (ground or aerial) in the box, he strikes me as a pretty good finisher, and you can see he has had some good headed attempts from difficult positions.

Plenty of doom and gloom in the thread but how many were expecting that we should win that game? I'd much rather lose the way we did with some poor luck and a confident performance than a 1-0 loss with 10 men behind the ball all game and 10+ saves from the keeper.
Jets Twitter said Clut not injured but was 17th man

[Macca]

Jets Twitter said Clut not injured but was 17th man

Herald article said a few Jets player were under interest from other clubs during the transfer window, maybe this could also be a factor

[rhysd]

It's a fact. Just like Jones has no idea what he is doing. Swaps and changes his front players every week depending on last weeks results with no real plan. Then wonders why we struggle for combinations.

Neither Clut or Nordstrand are 9's. Both can do a job but eventually the opposition will work them out and isolate them. The only 9's in the squad Jones won't play.

Our 9 has been out. You want him to play with a broken jaw now?

He is on record saying he wants to get a bridge type player or another striker.

Considering the level of resources available, at the current time (There is talk that the jets have made some off field facility adjustments or soon to be made adjustments), he did a far better job in the tactical stakes than muscat did last night. They have Rojas, berisha, fbk.. not sure what their wages would be.. but that was the difference last night. End of.

We played good football. On another day we would should have won.

[Bon]

Its no secret that I'm a Jones hater.. I can't really fault him for what went on last night though.. (Apart from the disappearance of Clut??)..

What I can't handle is the blatant bullsh!t refereeing and biased decisions going on, where if that happened against your big teams Sydney/Vic/City, questions would be asked (Or Devonhead Muskat would have blown an O-Ring)..
Yet another game ruined by poor referees decisions at important times..
The boys tried their hardest, put in, and you can't ask for much more than that..

[borat]

Our 9 has been out. You want him to play with a broken jaw now?

He is on record saying he wants to get a bridge type player or another striker.

Considering the level of resources available, at the current time (There is talk that the jets have made some off field facility adjustments or soon to be made adjustments), he did a far better job in the tactical stakes than muscat did last night. They have Rojas, berisha, fbk.. not sure what their wages would be.. but that was the difference last night. End of.

We played good football. On another day we would should have won.

Bullshit he has been fit for 3 weeks now. Jones's comments in the press are clear, he doesn't like him nor want to give him a chance.

Why Bymora hasn't been given a run either, or Haliti for that matter.

Nope we keep rotating the same players out of position until they have a quiet game then punt them.

[Jetmaster]

Its no secret that I'm a Jones hater.. I can't really fault him for what went on last night though.. (Apart from the disappearance of Clut??)..

What I can't handle is the blatant bullsh!t refereeing and biased decisions going on, where if that happened against your big teams Sydney/Vic/City, questions would be asked (Or Devonhead Muskat would have blown an O-Ring)..
Yet another game ruined by poor referees decisions at important times..
The boys tried their hardest, put in, and you can't ask for much more than that..

Interesting reading on the West Ham forums this morning, a huge backlash against Mike Dean and perceived subconscious bias by referees in favour of the big clubs....the major reason is "fear" by refs. A big decision against a small club only hangs around 24 hours, whereas a call against a big club hangs around all season.

[parksey]

I just think he had a shit game tbh. There wasn't any bias, he just sucked and those calls happened to go against us.

[Jardelsimage]

[QUOTE=borat;170547]Bullshit he has been fit for 3 weeks now. Jones's comments in the press are clear, he doesn't like him nor want to give him a chance.


as said before Kokko is Millers boy, that's why he wont give him the chance.
Coaches call, stupid as it is.
If Kokko is the goal scorer we need and we start knocking a few in, Jones looks like a super coach in the end. hahaha

[rhysd]

Bullshit he has been fit for 3 weeks now. Jones's comments in the press are clear, he doesn't like him nor want to give him a chance.

Why Bymora hasn't been given a run either, or Haliti for that matter.

Nope we keep rotating the same players out of position until they have a quiet game then punt them.

Guessing you have absolutely no experience with recovery or rehab from a jaw injury.

He took brymora, a kid, over to Perth. Now, in your eyes, he is meant to start over the players who have played in 'his' role?

Haliti. Unfortunately his ACL injury appears to have taken away his pace. He is not a starter, and that showed in the game he started.

[Wilso8948]

Wtf Kokko played with a mouth guard ffs. If that isn't telling you he isn't 100% right then I dunno what will.

[Hunter403]

Brymora. Looked lost in his only appearance. I think he needs more time training with the group before being fed to the lions.

Kokko needs a fair go at it. I don't care if he was Millers choice or Jones', he has ability and we would be stupid (yeah past evidence suggests we are) to not give him a go. I really think that Kokko and Noddy could really work well together. I aalso think that type of player will enhance Ugar and Brown by giving then a target man who can hold the ball up.

Give him a fair go. If he fails then send him packing but to date, through injury, we have seen nothing really.

[The Dunster]

I wouldn't be surprised if the club let Haliti go in the January window. He's past his best and far too expensive to keep around when he's not even considered bench worthy. Thailand or similar might be more suitable for him now.

[borat]

Guessing you have absolutely no experience with recovery or rehab from a jaw injury.

He took brymora, a kid, over to Perth. Now, in your eyes, he is meant to start over the players who have played in 'his' role?

Haliti. Unfortunately his ACL injury appears to have taken away his pace. He is not a starter, and that showed in the game he started.
You are the one banging on about Kokko. All I have said is that we are playing players out of position, ie Nordstrand and Clut, and then dumping them when they don't perform.

Kokko, when passed medically fit to play, should play. And if not we should be playing our other options who can actually play 9 like Bymora and Haliti. I absolutely would be giving Bymora more opportunities. It makes no difference how young a player is, if they are good enough they should be promoted. And you are ready to write Labi off on 1 game.

Jones plays defensive formations and shuffles the front players out of position. He needs to actually play 2 up front in their natural positions. Play Clut or Nordstrand at 10 and play with a striker upfront.

FFS he thinks fairy ankles Bridge is going to save us.

[MFKS]

I just think he had a shit game tbh. There wasn't any bias, he just sucked and those calls happened to go against us.

If that true then Beath has shit games every time he referees.

Matter of fact refs just all have shit games as it very rare to see a game where we seem to get favoured by a ref.

**** when we are at home our ****ing opposition gets the ****ing calls.

[MFKS]

It's a fact. Just like Jones has no idea what he is doing. Swaps and changes his front players every week depending on last weeks results with no real plan. Then wonders why we struggle for combinations.

Neither Clut or Nordstrand are 9's. Both can do a job but eventually the opposition will work them out and isolate them. The only 9's in the squad Jones won't play.

What do you mean he is no idea what he is doing? ??

You are completely full of shit there.

Culina GVE Zane Stubbins Millertime etc have all failed to do something that this bloke has managed to do with these shit players.

He actually has me happy to watch these ****s playing football.

I have sat through 8 years of tepid shite football under these coward managers being bored shit less.

This bloke in 10 games has managed to turn these ****s into an effective football team

He has done that too with a squad full of shit players that he hasn't signed


Fact is he has more ****ing idea going on than you do if you can not ****ing even see that we are actually moving forward in the park under him

[borat]

What do you mean he is no idea what he is doing? ??

You are completely full of shit there.

Culina GVE Zane Stubbins Millertime etc have all failed to do something that this bloke has managed to do with these shit players.

He actually has me happy to watch these ****s playing football.

I have sat through 8 years of tepid shite football under these coward managers being bored shit less.

This bloke in 10 games has managed to turn these ****s into an effective football team

He has done that too with a squad full of shit players that he hasn't signed


Fact is he has more ****ing idea going on than you do if you can not ****ing even see that we are actually moving forward in the park under him

Mate I am not bothering to even read what crap you are spouting. You clearly have a hard on for Jones and I can't be arsed to read the local forum to try and understand why.

The guy has won 3 out of 13 and will be gone years end, hopefully a lot sooner.

[plague]

This bloke in 10 games has managed to turn these ****s into an effective football team


i mean.....ummm....Member, my brother, what is going on here?

[hawk]

I just think he had a shit game tbh. There wasn't any bias, he just sucked and those calls happened to go against us.

retarded manc protecting a grub

constant shit decisions over years is biased ffs

[Jetmaster]

JP just copped a five match suspension after last night.

[parksey]

retarded manc protecting a grub

constant shit decisions over years is biased ffs

Yeah he's probably just been shite for years then.

He also ruled out a perfectly good goal for the victory and missed Brown elbow Berisha in the head.

I think you'll find that fans from most clubs aren't the biggest fans of Beath.

[MFKS]

Mate I am not bothering to even read what crap you are spouting. You clearly have a hard on for Jones and I can't be arsed to read the local forum to try and understand why.

The guy has won 3 out of 13 and will be gone years end, hopefully a lot sooner.

You want to be the beacon of negativity then go right ahead

The last 4 weeks have seen Jets play the best football we have done since we had Griffo Milton Carle etc carving it up.

No other **** has even come close to this even with superior players at his disposal


Hey Jones may not be the coaching messiah but he deserves more of a break and some patience from our fans instead of being bagged for no reason as you still suffering butt hurt about your mate Millertime getting the arse.


I just going to be the positive one here and enjoy the fact I actually enjoy watching us play at the moment because this bloke is actually making it enjoyable to watch this club play after years of negative football

[MFKS]

Yeah he's probably just been shite for years then.

He also ruled out a perfectly good goal for the victory and missed Brown elbow Berisha in the head.

I think you'll find that fans from most clubs aren't the biggest fans of Beath.

He ruled out your perfectly good goal because Troisi needlessly man handled a defender

It was weak it was soft but he did call it correctly and he did call it early

[Tommyjet]

You want to be the beacon of negativity then go right ahead

The last 4 weeks have seen Jets play the best football we have done since we had Griffo Milton Carle etc carving it up.

No other **** has even come close to this even with superior players at his disposal


Hey Jones may not be the coaching messiah but he deserves more of a break and some patience from our fans instead of being bagged for no reason as you still suffering butt hurt about your mate Millertime getting the arse.


I just going to be the positive one here and enjoy the fact I actually enjoy watching us play at the moment because this bloke is actually making it enjoyable to watch this club play after years of negative football

Im agreeing with the member here. Something clicked a few weeks ago and the players have bought in and starting playing some very attractive football. Just need a bit more from brown, nobby, kokko and maybe bridge and we'll start getting more points

[parksey]

He ruled out your perfectly good goal because Troisi needlessly man handled a defender

It was weak it was soft but he did call it correctly and he did call it early

Yeah, nah.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Jones was disappointed with LeiLei's set piece delivery... Does he turn his back everytime Hoole takes a corner?


(Not meant to be a Hoole hating comment)

[WolfMan]

Jones was disappointed with LeiLei's set piece delivery... Does he turn his back everytime Hoole takes a corner?


(Not meant to be a Hoole hating comment)

It's probably more of a comment on the quality he delivers at training.

Perhaps what Hoole delivers is his best - no use bagging a bloke out for that

[football_macigian23]

JP just copped a five match suspension after last night.

It's actually a three game ban.. "The MRP has proposed a sanction of three (3) matches, being the Mandatory Match Suspension plus two (2) additional matches"

Mandatory suspension is one match plus two additional matches

[rhysd]

You want to be the beacon of negativity then go right ahead

The last 4 weeks have seen Jets play the best football we have done since we had Griffo Milton Carle etc carving it up.

No other **** has even come close to this even with superior players at his disposal


Hey Jones may not be the coaching messiah but he deserves more of a break and some patience from our fans instead of being bagged for no reason as you still suffering butt hurt about your mate Millertime getting the arse.


I just going to be the positive one here and enjoy the fact I actually enjoy watching us play at the moment because this bloke is actually making it enjoyable to watch this club play after years of negative football

Agreed. First time I have left our home ground in a long time feeling content about the quality of football put before us against Wellington.

Jones has shown he deserves a longer stint to show us what he is truly capable of (or maybe not).

Jones brought in koutrombis and fyfe. Both made huge and instant impacts. Appears to be the only one who truly rated lei lei from the start (despite Josh Mitchell telling us how terrible he is).

Very good signs.

[Jetmaster]

It's actually a three game ban.. "The MRP has proposed a sanction of three (3) matches, being the Mandatory Match Suspension plus two (2) additional matches"

Mandatory suspension is one match plus two additional matches

Geez that's confusing - you can read that two ways.

[rhysd]

Geez that's confusing - you can read that two ways.
Nothing confusing. They have imposed a mandatory (minimum) of 3 but.. because he is a git they have given him 2 extra.

5 game ban.

[Bon]

MFKS being positive and getting stuck in to someone else for being negative???? Has the world gone mad?????
5 5 5

[Macca]

Nothing confusing. They have imposed a mandatory (minimum) of 3 but.. because he is a git they have given him 2 extra.

5 game ban.

I read it as total of 3..

"MRP has imposed a sanction of 3 matches, which is comprised of the mandatory suspension plus two additional matches" is how I would paraphrase it for clarity.

Hard to say whether Jones has turned the team around or its just that we have a decent group of players (which we do in my opinion) that are finally starting to click and play together nicely. In any case I'm pretty happy to allow things to continue as they are at the moment, Jones has earned the rest of the season for me and if things continue to improve then he should be allowed to stay on. Things are working. The players confidence and composure on the ball is streets ahead of anything in recent times, we're not afraid to play against top teams and either have been creating or getting to the "almost" stage of creating plenty of chances against them too. Not bad for a team playing without a high quality attacking midfielder, a traditional #9, and with wingers that were both discarded from other teams.

Not sure what the answer is but I think a slight tweak to the system to better accommodate our best players when they are all available could see us in very good stead - although it might be hard to tinker with what has been working quite well for us recently.

[Bremsstrahlung]

3 games.
http://www.melbournevictory.com.au/article/jean-paul-de-marigny-receives-three-match-suspension/13bbwzuotjomn137m7fzi5hphk

[rhysd]

I read it as total of 3..

"MRP has imposed a sanction of 3 matches, which is comprised of the mandatory suspension plus two additional matches" is how I would paraphrase it for clarity.

Hard to say whether Jones has turned the team around or its just that we have a decent group of players (which we do in my opinion) that are finally starting to click and play together nicely. In any case I'm pretty happy to allow things to continue as they are at the moment, Jones has earned the rest of the season for me and if things continue to improve then he should be allowed to stay on. Things are working. The players confidence and composure on the ball is streets ahead of anything in recent times, we're not afraid to play against top teams and either have been creating or getting to the "almost" stage of creating plenty of chances against them too. Not bad for a team playing without a high quality attacking midfielder, a traditional #9, and with wingers that were both discarded from other teams.

Not sure what the answer is but I think a slight tweak to the system to better accommodate our best players when they are all available could see us in very good stead - although it might be hard to tinker with what has been working quite well for us recently.

Fair play, I only read the quote here. Should have gone to the full article and I missed the comma. Whoops.

[GO AWAY]

Bullshit he has been fit for 3 weeks now. Jones's comments in the press are clear, he doesn't like him nor want to give him a chance.

Why Bymora hasn't been given a run either, or Haliti for that matter.

Nope we keep rotating the same players out of position until they have a quiet game then punt them.

You lot are hilarious, I'm enjoying watching jets games, been along time since I can say that, Jonesy has them playing positive football with the squad he has, Hooles problem is he probably tries too hard, can do so much good stuff, but you lot of armchair experts only see him trip over at the wrong time, why isn't mullen mentioned ? Jonesy was given this squad and he is doing something with them, let him bring in his own type of player over the next 2 or 3 years and they will be contenders.

As for Brymora ....... please.

Kokko 9, Hoole and Nabbout wide with brown and nobby playing in behind him. But ill leave it to jonesy, as he is the coach and he knows what is best.

[q-money]

You lot are hilarious, I'm enjoying watching jets games, been along time since I can say that, Jonesy has them playing positive football with the squad he has, Hooles problem is he probably tries too hard, can do so much good stuff, but you lot of armchair experts only see him trip over at the wrong time, why isn't mullen mentioned ? Jonesy was given this squad and he is doing something with them, let him bring in his own type of player over the next 2 or 3 years and they will be contenders.

As for Brymora ....... please.

Kokko 9, Hoole and Nabbout wide with brown and nobby playing in behind him. But ill leave it to jonesy, as he is the coach and he knows what is best.

hey even i'm lining up to drink the jones kool-aid. a fair whack of the start of the season was negative, dour stuff but i've really enjoyed watching them over the past few weeks as well. looking better than they have in years.

[halo se7en]

as said before Kokko is Millers boy, that's why he wont give him the chance.
Coaches call, stupid as it is.
If Kokko is the goal scorer we need and we start knocking a few in, Jones looks like a super coach in the end. hahaha

Based on that completely illogical theory, Nabbout, Brown, Clut, Vujica, Nordstrand, Uga, Hoole etc wouldn't be playing either.

[halo se7en]

Mate I am not bothering to even read what crap you are spouting. You clearly have a hard on for Jones and I can't be arsed to read the local forum to try and understand why.

The guy has won 3 out of 13 and will be gone years end, hopefully a lot sooner.

I'm as lost for words as you Borat.

Apparently Miller made shithouse signings and didn't do anything positive for the club. Yet the Jones fanbois seem to forget what act Miller had to follow, and he dragged us up and out of the gutter. He gradually improved our club over the year, losing Carney and signing Uga/Nords mid-season was a further improvement, despite what a lot of us thought at the time. He then goes and makes astute signings in the off-season - when they play well, it's because of Jones. When they lose, they are deemed "shit signings that poor Jones has to work with".

Aside from winning in Perth, what have we achieved this season? A draw against 10-man Mariners at home? A draw against the equally inept Adelaide & Wellington at home? A scrappy win against Adelaide at home where the winning goal shouldn't have counted?

The positivity some of you have now was exactly what some of us had last year when Miller got us off the foot of the table and notched up 7 wins, including the impressive 3-2 comeback win against City. Nevermind that our team last year was much poorer than this season. And we got ****ing slammed for it, by none other than MFKS and his groupies.

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

4 games in a row when I have been entertained watching the Jets. I haven't enjoyed watching single a Jets game for about 7 years, so I'm edging towards the Jones bandwagon

[plague]

Last few games last year were ok to watch once Uga and Nobby got going.
Then we were garbage early doors this year.
Now they're playing good again.

My outrage has followed this curve.

[halo se7en]

4 games in a row when I have been entertained watching the Jets. I haven't enjoyed watching single a Jets game for about 7 years, so I'm edging towards the Jones bandwagon

You're right. The 4-2 win down on the coast late last year was horrendous.

[Jeterpool]

I'd like to see stats on how we go under Beath. For some reason I feel like we always cop the rough end of the pineapple when we have him.

OK - our record under Beath...wow

29 matches, we've won 5, drawn 7 and lost 17. He's even with the yellow cards (51 for us, 47 for opposition)

We've only ever received one penalty. Opposition have received 5. He's only ever sent off 1 opposition player, but has sent off 4 of ours.

Basically, if we get Beath bet against us

[Grimario]

But won't all referees look like that? We've been shit for the longest time so we are going to have losing records under everyone, right?

[Hunter403]

Send that to Lawrie!

[MFKS]

I'm as lost for words as you Borat.

Apparently Miller made shithouse signings and didn't do anything positive for the club. Yet the Jones fanbois seem to forget what act Miller had to follow, and he dragged us up and out of the gutter. He gradually improved our club over the year, losing Carney and signing Uga/Nords mid-season was a further improvement, despite what a lot of us thought at the time. He then goes and makes astute signings in the off-season - when they play well, it's because of Jones. When they lose, they are deemed "shit signings that poor Jones has to work with".

Aside from winning in Perth, what have we achieved this season? A draw against 10-man Mariners at home? A draw against the equally inept Adelaide & Wellington at home? A scrappy win against Adelaide at home where the winning goal shouldn't have counted?

The positivity some of you have now was exactly what some of us had last year when Miller got us off the foot of the table and notched up 7 wins, including the impressive 3-2 comeback win against City. Nevermind that our team last year was much poorer than this season. And we got ****ing slammed for it, by none other than MFKS and his groupies.

Seriously you have a short memory

Millertime spent his time parking the ****ing bus

His football was shit

It was as boring as bat shit to watch.

Fap on all you like about his record. But he played negative football where his first instinct was to try not to lose.


Hey Jones may not be the world's greatest coach. But he isn't making excuses for what he has been given
He is actually trying to use the useless ****ers he has at his disposal to the best of his ability.

He is actually doing this trying to play quality incisive threatening football

Something that your lovechild Millertime never done.

That ain't me being negative

That is just me telling you the reality.

Enjoy your lemons

[Jeterpool]

But won't all referees look like that? We've been shit for the longest time so we are going to have losing records under everyone, right?

I'll pull some more figures when I'm on the pc again

[plague]

i do love the fact the foz has descended into blokes taking sides on who our less garbage coach is/was.

[MFKS]

i do love the fact the foz has descended into blokes taking sides on who our less garbage coach is/was.

It either that or we discuss who our best goal keeper option is for something different

[hawk]

The positivity some of you have now was exactly what some of us had last year when Miller got us off the foot of the table and notched up 7 wins, including the impressive 3-2 comeback win against City. Nevermind that our team last year was much poorer than this season. And we got ****ing slammed for it, by none other than MFKS and his groupies.

A grade post. Will read again

[hawk]

Hey Jones may not be the world's greatest coach. But he isn't making excuses for what he has been given. He is actually trying to use the useless ****ers he has at his disposal to the best of his ability.



lzl, But at least he plays a good game and loses more often than that jerk Millertime.

Post of the year. Prefers to lose but look good. Member for losers \ MFL

[plague]

It either that or we discuss who our best goal keeper option is for something different

do we even have a backup keeper these days?

[Wilso8948]

lzl, But at least he plays a good game and loses more often than that jerk Millertime.

Post of the year. Prefers to lose but look good. Member for losers \ MFL
Hasn't he got more points then miller had at this time? Just out of curiosity.

[lquiquer]

do we even have a backup keeper these days?

Pierce, Noah......Clint.....

[halo se7en]

Hasn't he got more points then miller had at this time? Just out of curiosity.

The same.

[Wilso8948]

The same.
Cheers