16/17 HAL Round 14 | Brisbane Roar vs Newcastle Jets | Sat 7th Jan 2017 5:35pm

[hawk]

Big game. Will decide if Jones needs the sack and do we need more Chinese imports, players not cars.

Stats - almost better than JP's

Weve won nearly every game up there so an eazy E 3pts straight outta Caxton coming up.

They wear orange and are good team.

We wear royal and navy blue, red, gold, emerald, cinnamon and are confused on what colours we bleed.

Refs will suck, assistants wont even.

Away support will rock and have best time and will want to stay to drink more beer and not go to work.

SD could get a prozzy.

Go Jets

[plague]

Doomed.
BK to let in at least 6.
If someone punches McKay in the face I'll take it as a win.
Miller OUT.

[furns]

Heres some actual stats


FIXTURE FACTS
Overall – 35 matches between the two teams.
Jets Wins - 13, Roar Wins - 13, Drawn - 9

In Newcastle – 19 matches.
Jets Wins - 4, Roar Wins - 9, Drawn - 6
In Brisbane - 16 matches
Jets Wins - 9, Roar Wins - 4, Drawn - 3

Average Away A-League Crowd - 11246

Goals in Fixture
Jets – 40, Roar - 42
In Newcastle -
Jets – 20, Roar - 31

1st Goals in Fixture
Jets – 19, Roar - 14

Cards in Fixture
Jets - 81 (74 yellow, 7 red), Roar 49 (45 yellow, 4 red)

Recent Form (A-League)
Jets - LDWWL (7 points from last 15)
Roar - LDWWD (8 points from last 15)

Leading Scorers
Jets - Andrew Hoole, Andrew Nabbout (3)
Roar – Jamie Maclaren (6)

Last Result -
Jets 4 (Hingert 8' OG, Boogaard 62', Ugarkovic 71', Clut 86') – Roar 0 at MacDonald Jones Stadium, Round 2, Season 2016/17, 16/10/2016.

FIXTURE RECORDS

Biggest Win
Jets 4 (Hingert 8' OG, Boogaard 62', Ugarkovic 71', Clut 86') – Roar 0 at MacDonald Jones Stadium, Round 2, Season 2016/17, 16/10/2016.

Heaviest Defeat
Jets 0 – Roar 5 (Reinaldo 10’, Richter 44’, Brosque 52’, McKay 83’, Murdocca 90+1’), Round 20, Season 2005/06 at Energy Australia Stadium, 26/01/2006.

Leading Scorers in fixture –
Jets - Joel Griffiths (8)
Roar - Reinaldo (7)

COACHING
Coaches Head to Head – 1 matches
Mark Jones - 1 wins, John Aloisi - 0 wins, 0 drawn

Newcastle Jets A-League Coaching Records –
Mark Jones - 1 matches (1 wins, 0 drawn, 0 losses = 100% win ratio)
Scott Miller - 3 matches (0 wins, 2 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Phil Stubbins - 3 matches (0 wins, 0 drawn, 3 losses = 0% win ratio)
Gary Van Egmond - 17 matches (9 wins, 3 drawn and 5 losses = 53% win ratio)
Richard Money - 3 matches (1 win, 0 drawn, 2 losses = 33% win ratio)
Branko Culina - 6 matches (1 wins, 4 drawn, 1 losses = 17% win ratio)
Nick Theodorakopoulos - 1 match (0 wins, 0 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Craig Deans - No Matches
Clayton Zane - 1 match (1 win, 0 drawn, 0 loss = 100% win ratio)

Brisbane Roar Coach Record – John Aloisi 25% win ratio (2 wins, 3 drawn, 3 losses)

TALKING POINTS:
Memorable Match
17th November 2013
The first match where the Jets came from behind at half time to win. Brisbane took the lead through a Luke Bratten goal on a soggy afternoon in Newcastle. The second half saw the Jets score two goals through Adam Taggart, with a little help from a large puddle of water, to run out 2-1 winners.

General
There has only been one scoreless match between these two teams in the history of the A-League.
The Jets last beat the Brisbane Roar at Suncorp Stadium in February 2014
Mark Jones and Gary Van Egmond are the only managers to have won their first matches against the Roar.
Brisbane Roar are undefeated at Suncorp Stadium in 13 matches

Newcastle Jets Squad
2.Daniel MULLEN, 3.Jason HOFFMAN, 4.Nigel BOOGAARD (c), 6.Steven UGARKOVIC, 7.Andrew HOOLE, 8.Mateo POLJAK, 9.Aleksandr KOKKO, 10.Wayne BROWN, 15.Andrew NABBOUT, 16.Nicholas COWBURN, 18.MA Leilei, 19.Morten NORDSTRAND, 20.Jack DUNCAN (gk), 22.Lachlan JACKSON, 23.Devante CLUT, 28.John KOUTROUMBIS, 30.Pierce CLARK (gk)
**one to be omitted**

Ins: 4.Nigel BOOGAARD (C) (returns from injury), 23.Devante CLUT (promoted)Outs: 13.Ivan VUJICA (hamstring - 4–6 weeks)
Unavailable: 1.Ben KENNEDY (gk) (achilles - season), 5.Ben KANTAROVKSI (knee - 1-3 weeks), 13.Ivan VUJICA (hamstring - 4-6 weeks), 21.Daniel ALESSI (knee – season)

Brisbane Roar FC squad
1.Michael THEO (gk), 3.Luke DEVERE, 4.Daniel BOWLES, 5.Corey BROWN, 7.Thomas KRISTENSEN, 8.Jacob PEPPER, 9.Jamie MACLAREN, 11.Tommy OAR, 13.Jade NORTH, 15.ARANA, 17. Matt MCKAY (c), 19.Jack HINGERT, 21.Jamie YOUNG (gk), 22.Thomas BROICH, 23.Dimitri PETRATOS, 25.Kye ROWLES, 26.Nick D’AGOSTINO, 28.Brandon BORRELLO

**two to be omitted**

Ins: 25.Kye ROWLES (promoted), 26.Nick D’AGOSTINO (promoted)
Outs: Nil
Unavailable: 10.Brett HOLMAN (knee – 1-2 weeks)

[halo se7en]

Jets 3-2. Nabbout, Ma & Brown to score. Hoffman OG and Broich for the home side.

[Retro Jet]

Me likes Hawk's header better. :rof:

Jeezzz..that yellow card stat is scary. Look out Hoole!!

All we have to do is ping the ball directly at Hingert in the box
and we're away.

[StannyCFCJET]

Kokko dropped from squad, Their goes his Jets career. He's looked dangerous everytime he's played, well done Mr Jones :/

[lquiquer]

Kokko dropped from squad, Their goes his Jets career. He's looked dangerous everytime he's played, well done Mr Jones :/

:lulzturtle: that's going to help getting game time and / or time to step up and get more from our imports....anyway I don't go to training so what do I know

[Hunter403]

Jones doesn't like the Kok. Clear enough. More into Clut.

[StannyCFCJET]

Jones doesn't like the Kok. Clear enough. More into Clut.

Clut isnt and will never be a striker there is the problem

[The Dunster]

Kokko dropped from squad, Their goes his Jets career. He's looked dangerous everytime he's played, well done Mr Jones :/

It's probably because he's still inured / not recovered sufficiently from his jaw injury.

[MFKS]

More importantly that Mullen bloke has been dropped

About ****ing time

[StannyCFCJET]

More importantly that Mullen bloke has been dropped

About ****ing time

only to the bench but

[Wilso8948]

Agree with Mullen being dropped. Bit harsh to drop Jonny K too. But is still a work in progress. Don't really get carrying both on the bench at the expense of Kokko? Guess he sees Jonny as a mid

[Wilso8948]

Jones doesn't like the Kok. Clear enough. More into Clut.
This didn't go unnoticed.

[plague]

Jones believes players play better when they aren't playing.
Expect Johnny K and Koko to win the ballon d'or or something.

[Grimario]

At least Vujica didn't actively set the goals up when we conceded. GG Cowburn.

[Wilso8948]

Where's the cowburn lovers today?

[Wilso8948]

Bring back LeakyG. Good fullbacks are so underrated in this league

[StannyCFCJET]

Cue the 20 mins were we give up after conceding

[plague]

Where's the cowburn lovers today?

coaching the team?

[redwah]

More importantly that Mullen bloke has been dropped

About ****ing time

Disturbingly this is not the first time I agree with one of your posts lately.....have you suffered a recent head injury?

[Hunter403]

We are shite. Should be down by 3.
Can nobody in this team pass to a blue shirt?

[Hunter403]

Roar midfield having an easy time of it.

[StannyCFCJET]

Its not rocket science attackers move too forward forces defense to play it long to short players or lose possession. Same problem every week

[weston]

I would like to ask the same question as the commentators. WTF are we trying to do?

[MFKS]

Hoole falling over for no reason once again

FMD

[StannyCFCJET]

Hahahahaha that free kick sums up Hoole

[weston]

Hoole is terrible

[StannyCFCJET]

Can Clut play outwide?

[halo se7en]

Yeah but Jones is awesome remember. He had us on an amazing unbeaten streak of 3 and not losing to teams 7th, 8th and 10th in the table.

[Hunter403]

Hoole won't get dropped now....

[Wilso8948]

Hoole is terrible
Take it

[weston]

Your ****ing kidding me. **** Hoole. **** off.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Unfortunate that he scores that. He's had a shit half then gets us level...

[Grimario]

Hoole is terrible

Keep it up, if we all hate often enough, he might turn good. It's that kind of once off flash of glory that keeps him in the team despite most of the game making dire decisions.

[plague]

Hoole is terribly good

Yo.

[foti68]

Hoole is terrible

and then he pulls something out of his arse

[plague]

Man some of you guys just hate don't you.

Good for Hoole.
Great goal.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Some strike.
Deadset, if that is cahill, fornaroli, smeltz or anybody else, they will be creaming themselves to bust out all the words to describe it. Some jets player, no cares. Ned Zelic Gtfo.

Get Hoole off set pieces though, please.

[Wilso8948]

I've never seen a bloke disliked more. Jeez I've been guilty of verbally abusing the poor ****.
But seriously. Can we all get behind the bloke. He's finding a bit of form. Scoring some goals. Creating some others. There's chances when he's on the park. Ffs lets all stop over analysing every facet of his game and ****ing celebrate.
Hoole you're a ****ing legend.
You mouse looking shit haired mother ****er

[weston]

It was a cracker of an goal. That's really all he has done though.

I've also never been quoted so many times.

[belchardo]

The only thing worse than our play at the moment is the pitch.

[weston]

To be fair too Hoole. No one else has done anything meaningful either. For me the entire Jets team look like a bunch of individuals. They are not a team.

[Jetmaster]

Hoole won't get dropped now....

Can't drop your top scorer.

[MFKS]

I will say exactly what I was going to say here before that moment of jaw dropping beauty from Raheem Sterling to draw us level

We have been shit

Our transition woeful

But these dumb **** commentators are not seeing that Roar are not that dominant either.

They have barely had a shot and Duncan has rarely been threatened.

We were in this game assuming we improved as we should even before Raheems strike

[Wilso8948]

I agree. Let's be honest. Nabbout, ugarkovic etc having one of their poorest games. If they were Hoole we'd all be having meltdowns

[MFKS]

Can't drop your top scorer.

I'd he gets a card this half he won't be playing next week anyway

[Roundball Enthusiast]

I've never seen a bloke disliked more. Jeez I've been guilty of verbally abusing the poor ****.
But seriously. Can we all get behind the bloke. He's finding a bit of form. Scoring some goals. Creating some others. There's chances when he's on the park. Ffs lets all stop over analysing every facet of his game and ****ing celebrate.
Hoole you're a ****ing legend.
You mouse looking shit haired mother ****er

He took on a player and lost the ball when he could've cut back to Ugar on the edge.
Two VERY shit free kicks.
Fell over in possession for no reason.

Hits a lucky screamer.

We should all bow down to him for getting lucky with one of his shots, but forget all the stupid shit he did the 46 minutes before it... OHHhhhhkk...

[StannyCFCJET]

He took on a player and lost the ball when he could've cut back to Ugar on the edge.
Two VERY shit free kicks.
Fell over in possession for no reason.

Hits a lucky screamer.

We should all bow down to him for getting lucky with one of his shots, but forget all the stupid shit he did the 46 minutes before it... OHHhhhhkk...

Yep the constant falling over was pissing me off

[Jetmaster]

You mouse looking shit haired mother ****er

I lol'd.

[MFKS]

He took on a player and lost the ball when he could've cut back to Ugar on the edge.
Two VERY shit free kicks.
Fell over in possession for no reason.

Hits a lucky screamer.

We should all bow down to him for getting lucky with one of his shots, but forget all the stupid shit he did the 46 minutes before it... OHHhhhhkk...

To be perfectly fair you forgot to put in the fact that he refused to chase back when he coughed up the ball and proceeded to walk


Just need to keep it balanced and fair

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Surely Wayne Brown shouldnt of even travelled then. And why are the players allowed on their phones at HT

[Jetmaster]

Is Brown off for what I think I heard? ffs.

[Wilso8948]

He took on a player and lost the ball when he could've cut back to Ugar on the edge.
Two VERY shit free kicks.
Fell over in possession for no reason.

Hits a lucky screamer.

We should all bow down to him for getting lucky with one of his shots, but forget all the stupid shit he did the 46 minutes before it... OHHhhhhkk...
Yeh see this is what I don't get. We've got other players playing just as ****ing shit. Nordstrand tries to run past and gets beat by Mackay. ****in Mackay! Ugarkovic gives up a pass on half way just after we played like ****ing Barca to get outta the backline. Nabbout misses an easy glancing header off a decent Hoole cross. Cowburn ****s up numerous times.
Seriously are we just going to constantly bag the **** outta him? I get pissed off with him just as much as anyone. I'm just not as ****ing one eyed as some. Other people **** up.
We don't score much and certainly not as good a goals as that. So celebrate the ****er.
**** you lot are hard to please. We'd win the trophy and we'd all still find something to whinge about. What a miserable bunch. Even the member and plague are starting to brighten the **** up.

[Grimario]

Surely Wayne Brown shouldnt of even travelled then. And why are the players allowed on their phones at HT

Maybe someone contacted the club staff at the game?
Maybe his missus is going into labour prematurely?

[redwah]

I will say exactly what I was going to say here before that moment of jaw dropping beauty from Raheem Sterling to draw us level

We have been shit

Our transition woeful

But these dumb **** commentators are not seeing that Roar are not that dominant either.

They have barely had a shot and Duncan has rarely been threatened.

We were in this game assuming we improved as we should even before Raheems strike

Brisbane have partratos.....he's as bad as Hoole but can put his boots on the correct feet....they can't dominate shit.

[Jetmaster]

Maybe someone contacted the club staff at the game?
Maybe his missus is going into labour prematurely?

Without trying to be funny....lets hope its nothing trivial.

[Wilso8948]

Maybe someone contacted the club staff at the game?
Maybe his missus is going into labour prematurely?

Nailed it

[Grimario]

Without trying to be funny....lets hope its nothing trivial.

Not due till next week, flight was pre-booked apparently, just in case.

[Jetmaster]

Not due till next week, flight was pre-booked apparently, just in case.

If the concern was enough to book a flight he should have pulled out.

[Grimario]

If the concern was enough to book a flight he should have pulled out.

That's great advice but 9 months too late.

[belchardo]

Well played grim and nabbout.

[plague]

Grim just got my man of the match award.

[Bremsstrahlung]

If the concern was enough to book a flight he should have pulled out.
That would've solved everything if he pulled out.

Edit: a lesson to refresh the page before posting. Grim beat me to it.

[Jetmaster]

That's great advice but 9 months too late.

The act cumming along sensationally!

[OmeletteDuFromage]

What was Ma Lei Lei yellow for?

[Jetmaster]

Btw... we're winning.

[Grimario]

What was Ma Lei Lei yellow for?

He's from China.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

He's from China.

...

[Grimario]

He's from China.

And that, my friends, is a little bit of scientific racism for you from the books of François Bernier.

[weston]

Boogard. Jesus Christ.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

This guys ****ed man. This is a constant occurance

[Grimario]

Why why why go to ground there? FFS, captain.

[Wilso8948]

Two weeks. Two of the most stupid ****ing defensive decisions I've seen. Both from our "most experienced" defenders

[belchardo]

Pants

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Thanks Cap't.

[Bremsstrahlung]

No need to slide in like that.

[Grimario]

This guys ****ed man. This is a constant occurance

Jonny K and Jackson at the back. Reckon the pair of them make less errors than our most experienced pair.


Probably not but it feels like it.

[Jetmaster]

Where was our left back though in that obvious overlap?

[Wilso8948]

Hahahahahaha

[belchardo]

LOL. good catch theo

[Grimario]

Aahahahaha, ****ing hell.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Love this game.

[Wilso8948]

This is just the best

[weston]

Nobby. **** yeah.

Boogard owes Nobby a carton

[belchardo]

What the **** was theo bitchin about? Dropped it cold.

[plague]

Where all them Boog stans now?
Member where you at?
Glad it's all Mullen and Johnny K's fault.
BTW how good was Boogs keeping everyone 6 yards inside before sliding in.
Brilliant.

Has Nobby got any mates that can defend?

[Jetmaster]

Oh....Theo.

[Grimario]

Woooooooooooooooooooo.

[weston]

Good to win when you play like shit.

[leftrightout]

Good to win

Fixed

[MFKS]

Where was our left back though in that obvious overlap?

Seriously Cowburn is a liability at left back

Slow as

Refuses to use left foot

Kills any attack down that side when he get involved

Gets caught out far too often


Vujica should walk back in when fit

[halo se7en]

Jets 3-2.

Yup.

[Wilso8948]

Yup.
$ on it or it doesn't count

[halo se7en]

$ on it or it doesn't count

No $$. That's why I got it right lol. If I had $$ on 2-3, Roar would have walked us 5-0.

[turbojetfireV8]

Jets 3-2.

Oracle son :) Thank F*ck for that though, bit of luck our way this time.

To Jonesy - next week get Mullsy to change his studs and get back out there (he isn't the only bastard in our team who can't keep his feet BTW), Cowby as a sub only for a while, and Kokko back in, Glory think they can cream us, let's be ready to make them think again...

[Wilso8948]

Seriously need to consider signing a LB. tonight highlights it once again.
Georgevski please. Or what happened to Aaron Calvar at Sydney? Young but looked good playing on the left for them

[Grimario]

Seriously need to consider signing a LB. tonight highlights it once again.
Georgevski please. Or what happened to Aaron Calvar at Sydney? Young but looked good playing on the left for them

Calver, really?


Christ, might as well just move Jackson out there if you hate Vujica that much.

[MFKS]

So where are all those Millertime disciples now who saying Jones has NFI? ?


Hope Borat and Co ain't choking on their lemons tonight

Even playing badly we still win

Can't wait to see Jones given some decent players at his disposal


He sure making a much better fist if it and not moaning like his predecessor who wanted to play like a coward every week

That 4 wins achieved and none of them involved parking a ****ing bus

[skippy]

He's from China.

Ffs classic.

[Retro Jet]

Oh Magoo (or SBS), you've done it again...
Who the feck is Wayne Jones?

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/01/07/brown-makes-airport-dash-during-jets-comeback-win

FMD.
Doesn't anyone poof read these days? :blush:

[Wilso8948]

Calver, really?


Christ, might as well just move Jackson out there if you hate Vujica that much.

I rate Vujica quite high. Whether I think he is fully ready to start week in week out. I think his fitness is a concern and still developing being so young

[Retro Jet]

What the **** was theo bitchin about? Dropped it cold.

This

**** these clubs who think their sh!t don't stink and that the man, formerly known as Michael Theoklitos
couldn't possibly have made a mistake there.
4 players in total look like idiots appealing. If anything he's bundled into his own player and dropped the baby.

[halo se7en]

So where are all those Millertime disciples now who saying Jones has NFI? ?

Hope Borat and Co ain't choking on their lemons tonight

Even playing badly we still win

Can't wait to see Jones given some decent players at his disposal

He sure making a much better fist if it and not moaning like his predecessor who wanted to play like a coward every week

That 4 wins achieved and none of them involved parking a ****ing bus

Yeah because Millers signings have been ****ing rubbish. Thank god Jones signed Nabbout, Hoole & Nordstrand.

[halo se7en]

And look, I want Jones to succeed. I want the Jets to win every game they play. But to think Jones has somehow already surpassed Miller is ****ing laughable.

[plague]

But to think Jones has somehow already surpassed Miller is ****ing laughable.

When either of those assholes wins the Singapore 6's they can come puff their chest out.

[belchardo]

Oh Magoo (or SBS), you've done it again...
Who the feck is Wayne Jones?

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/01/07/brown-makes-airport-dash-during-jets-comeback-win

FMD.
Doesn't anyone poof read these days? :blush:

I see what you did there. :D

[Bon]

He sure making a much better fist if it and not moaning like his predecessor who wanted to play like a coward every week

That 4 wins achieved and none of them involved parking a ****ing bus

Thats because every game that Jones has set us out to park the bus, hope for a draw, or play 5 at the back, we have lost..

Shout out to Grim, absolutely on fire with some posts there.. Would read again.

[Hunter403]

That surface made our ground when it was at its worst, look good. Roar should be refusing to pay to use it.

Damn we were shite in the first half but pulled it out of the fire.

How lucky was that Hoffman cross?

Great to see Theo lose his block. Laughed like a drain.

[Jetmaster]

Two comments about the coverage....Bozza called foul on Theo for some reason, and how disinterested were Ned and the Cock?

[hawk]

that yellow card call is gold.

Just read the OP and marvel in how accurate that is. Just need to see how SD got on. 5 stars

[StannyCFCJET]

Whats up with cowburn looking average everytime he plays this season. Think we need to sign a leftback and stick him in the Mids fulltime over Kanta.

[StannyCFCJET]

Thats because every game that Jones has set us out to park the bus, hope for a draw, or play 5 at the back, we have lost..

Shout out to Grim, absolutely on fire with some posts there.. Would read again.

That's cause our strength is out attack not our rubbish defense, bout time we tried to outscore opposition

[Grimario]

Whats up with cowburn looking average everytime he plays this season. Think we need to sign a leftback and stick him in the Mids fulltime over Kanta.

Is it a coincidence that we've looked much better with him out of the side? Poljak, Uga and Brown look so much better as the midfield trio for mind.

Not sure Cowburn replacing Kanta in the injury ward or wherever he is works for Cowburn...

[StannyCFCJET]

Cowburn is someone i rate very highly and was great last year but is really struggling this season. Maybe the constant playing out of position is catching up with him.

[cobra23]

Cowburn is someone i rate very highly and was great last year but is really struggling this season. Maybe the constant playing out of position is catching up with him.

Maybe his true potential is catching up with him, he is a good kid but seriously we are struggling if he starts. he is a squaddie at best

[StannyCFCJET]

ive seen enough to see him as a potential first teamer. would like to see a midfield two of Ugar and Cowbs in the future

[Wilso8948]

Hes a squaddie. Good utility player and can replace Kanta in this respect. Can cover some positions if injuries happen but you wouldn't want him starting every week. Also struggles on the left. Much better suited to the right. Vujica looks much better at LB but is a long term prospect

[StannyCFCJET]

Guess I have to agree to disagree with regards to seeing Cowbs as only a squaddie

[Hunter403]

Cowburn is either a midfield player or right side defender. He left peg is just too weak for the left side fullback role. Better than a squaddie if given the right role.

[rhysd]

Proper left back urgently required

[Wilso8948]

Proper left back urgently required

There's a decent one sitting on the bench at victory.

[StannyCFCJET]

There's a decent one sitting on the bench at victory.

That Daniel bloke? isnt he a right back?

[The Dunster]

Maybe his true potential is catching up with him, he is a good kid but seriously we are struggling if he starts. he is a squaddie at best

Agreed. If he faced the same scrutiny as Hoole the fans would have lynched him by now. Cowburn's future is in state league not A-league.

[StannyCFCJET]

Agreed. If he faced the same scrutiny as Hoole the fans would lynched him by now. Cowburns future is in state league not A-league.

Your kidding right??? Cowburn has been great up until this season where he's started to make a few mistakes. Hoole has never been above average and fans treat him like he was as good as Griffo was

[Bremsstrahlung]

One thing that does baffle me a little is the commentators love for Hoole.
I feel I'm generally on the middle of the fence with him. I enjoy his style of play in that he is quick and sharp in attack and always seems to be involved when we have chances. His work ethic, while still not terrific in defence, has improved. His decision making and finishing in the final third needs some work and if he can improve this, then I think he will be a great player for us.
The baffling thing for me is his set pieces. Corners, free kicks etc, they rarely clear the first defender.
Takes me back to when I was younger and my old man said to me that if I don't hit the target, there's no chance of scoring. Better off hitting the target and making somebody save your shot than to blam It over the goals.

Same applies, just loop a ball into the box. Make the keeper come for it or make a defender play at it.

[cobra23]

Your kidding right??? Cowburn has been great up until this season where he's started to make a few mistakes. Hoole has never been above average and fans treat him like he was as good as Griffo was

its a bit hard to compare these two but hoole for me is at this level already and with a lot more promise to come, he still is only very young and has that ego and fire a player needs to go with it. he is playing still at his natural abilty and with a couple more years at this level and coaching he will be in lower divisions in europe , and then so on... (well hope not for our sake).
cowburn i feel his maximun level is a-league at best..

[StannyCFCJET]

its a bit hard to compare these two but hoole for me is at this level already and with a lot more promise to come, he still is only very young and has that ego and fire a player needs to go with it. he is playing still at his natural abilty and with a couple more years at this level and coaching he will be in lower divisions in europe , and then so on... (well hope not for our sake).
cowburn i feel his maximun level is a-league at best..

Hoole better than a league level??? I don't see it. He also wont get to play for a team who will give him 100 chances overseas. Any decent European team after watching him fluff numerous chances and over or underhit set pieces and corners will either release him or loan him back to the aleague. Im glad he is now scoring goals but the rest of his play IMO needs serious work before we even whisper overseas for hoole

I will agree that cowburn will only be an a league player and theirs nothing wrong with that. He could become a newy legend if he nails down a position and works hard enough

[Frodo]

Hoole = Rubbish but in a great run of form. That was a very good strike from him.

Cowburn = Rubbish but in poor form.

Hoole has had many years at this level and seems to have as many weaknesses as strengths.(i.e. Quick but stumbles over the ball.. can pass the ball but doesn't remember which teams he is playing for... Has the face of a lesbian who has been beaten up a few times by her butch lover but at least he isn't a ginger like the last wanker we had on the left hand side from Sydney that everyone either loved or hated with passion...)

Cowburn is all of 12 years old and can improve on the weaknesses in his game but he hasn't stood out as being truly HAL level yet. Keep plugging away and learning from the players around him and he will earn his spot and then he needs to be ready to own it. BUT he is not a good LB at all. Would rather Vujica or Jackson there when everyone is fit.

[Frodo]

To everyone sucking Jones nipples and telling how good he is i'd like to point out that we have played kind of rubbish all season. The entire league seems to be a bit shite this season to be honest. BUT We have been punishing opposing teams mistakes which is why we are all so happy. It's ok to stuff up as long as they do as well, just make sure you punish them accordingly. Thats what happened to us for the last 5 years or so.

Whether this is Jones's doing or not he is the coach and he currently has us in the 6. So he can keep his job, but i still think he is a rubbish coach and he seems like a wank of a bloke. I have been wrong before though so don't go getting this post tattooed on your neck or anything.:thumbsup:

[StannyCFCJET]

To everyone sucking Jones nipples and telling how good he is i'd like to point out that we have played kind of rubbish all season. The entire league seems to be a bit shite this season to be honest. BUT We have been punishing opposing teams mistakes which is why we are all so happy. It's ok to stuff up as long as they do as well, just make sure you punish them accordingly. Thats what happened to us for the last 5 years or so.

Whether this is Jones's doing or not he is the coach and he currently has us in the 6. So he can keep his job, but i still think he is a rubbish coach and he seems like a wank of a bloke. I have been wrong before though so don't go getting this post tattooed on your neck or anything.:thumbsup:

Did someone shit in your bed Frodo? your seem well angry atm. Jones has us in the top 6 and looking like we can maybe stay there. If thats not a case for nipple sucking what is?? I think we all jumped on the Jonesy hate wagon too soon

[leftrightout]

BUT We have been punishing opposing teams mistakes which is why we are all so happy.

I think this is the dumbest things i have ever heard about football. I reckon 95% of goals scored in football everywhere have some kind of defensive mistake leading up to or contributing to it. Isn't that what a good manager can get a team to do, target and expose weaknesses and have players good enough to capitalise on those opportunities?

[StannyCFCJET]

I think this is the dumbest things i have ever heard about football. I reckon 95% of goals scored in football everywhere have some kind of defensive mistake leading up to or contributing to it. Isn't that what a good manager can get a team to do, target and expose weaknesses and have players good enough to capitalise on those opportunities?

Agreed were also forcing teams to make mistakes with quicker ball movement and accurate passing at stages which is drawing defenders out of position.

[Frodo]

I think this is the dumbest things i have ever heard about football. I reckon 95% of goals scored in football everywhere have some kind of defensive mistake leading up to or contributing to it. Isn't that what a good manager can get a team to do, target and expose weaknesses and have players good enough to capitalise on those opportunities?

This seems like one of those glass half full situations Lefty. What i would call attacking skill, i.e. beating a player with pace, you are calling a defensive mistake, i.e being beaten with pace.

What i mean is like individual stuff-ups being punished. i.e Theo's dropped ball or a terrible pass out from the back. The last few years we wouldn't capitalise on these mistakes, this year we have been. We are coffing up as many errors as we had been but we've aided ourselves by being more ruthless when on the receiving end of these gifts.

We aren't going to play through teams with brilliant passing and touches for 90 mins so we needed to find an easier way to score goals, which we now have. If Jones is the reason for that then full Kudos to him. however i'm sticking with my original assessment of him until the end of the season. I was stating earlier that i could very well be wrong about him, and would be happy for him to guide us to the guilded toilet seat this year, but i will stick to my guns at this stage of the season as i can still a lot of problems with the way we are playing football. The results have been better than the football, which i suppose is better than the alternative.

[StannyCFCJET]

This seems like one of those glass half full situations Lefty. What i would call attacking skill, i.e. beating a player with pace, you are calling a defensive mistake, i.e being beaten with pace.

What i mean is like individual stuff-ups being punished. i.e Theo's dropped ball or a terrible pass out from the back. The last few years we wouldn't capitalise on these mistakes, this year we have been. We are coffing up as many errors as we had been but we've aided ourselves by being more ruthless when on the receiving end of these gifts.

We aren't going to play through teams with brilliant passing and touches for 90 mins so we needed to find an easier way to score goals, which we now have. If Jones is the reason for that then full Kudos to him. however i'm sticking with my original assessment of him until the end of the season. I was stating earlier that i could very well be wrong about him, and would be happy for him to guide us to the guilded toilet seat this year, but i will stick to my guns at this stage of the season as i can still a lot of problems with the way we are playing football. The results have been better than the football, which i suppose is better than the alternative.

last 5 weeks has been the best football weve played in god knows how long

[Frodo]

last 5 weeks has been the best football weve played in god knows how long

True, but the last 5 years of football has been very poor. So i'm happy but keeping a level head as to where we are in the big scheme of things.

[StannyCFCJET]

True, but the last 5 years of football has been very poor. So i'm happy but keeping a level head as to where we are in the big scheme of things.

Fair Point. You speak the truth we cant get too far ahead of ourselves long way to go till we reach Mordor

[Roundball Enthusiast]

We squeeze back into the 6 with a -4 goal difference and the guy starts talking about aiming for top 4. Get a hold of yourself Jones. You'll be lucky to keep 6th.

[The Dunster]

True, but the last 5 years of football has been very poor. So i'm happy but keeping a level head as to where we are in the big scheme of things.

How about the teams below us on the ladder with much bigger budgets and supposedly better player rosters ?

The Jets have had a lot of key players out with injury, a change of coach and other personnel, and pretty much no favours from referees. And yet they are in 5th position on the table and starting to look like a genuine chance to play finals football.

Imagine being an Adelaide or Wanderers supporter from a moment before you whinge about how bad the Jets are going.

Both Adelaide, Wellington, or Wanderers have coaches with proven records at this level and better - yet Jones is ahead of them on the table.

For the first time in a long time I actually have started looking forward to game days.

Good on Jones and the team for making a go of this season so far when pretty much nothing has gone their way.

With a little luck I can see this team doing very well.

[MFKS]

We squeeze back into the 6 with a -4 goal difference and the guy starts talking about aiming for top 4. Get a hold of yourself Jones. You'll be lucky to keep 6th.
Hey hey hey
Good on him.
He is settting some expectation on these ****ers to make the top 4


About time some **** at the Jets actually had some ambition

[Frodo]

How about the teams below us on the ladder with much bigger budgets and supposedly better player rosters ?

The Jets have had a lot of key players out with injury, a change of coach and other personnel, and pretty much no favours from referees. And yet they are in 5th position on the table and starting to look like a genuine chance to play finals football ?

Imagine being an Adelaide or Wanderers supporter from a moment before you whinge about how bad the Jets are going.

Both Adelaide and Wanderers have coaches with proven records at this level and better - yet Jones is ahead of them on the table.

For the first time in a long time I actually have started looking forward to game days.

Good on Jones and the team for making a go of this season so far when pretty much nothing has gone their way.

With a little luck I can see this team doing very well.

Hey man, i said i was happy just not getting ahead of myself. We are improving and everyone else is sucking butt, lets just make sure we sit this high or higher for the next few years as well.

[plague]

Cowburn's future is in state league not A-league.

So you're saying next stop Adelaide to win a Grand Final?

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Hey hey hey
Good on him.
He is settting some expectation on these ****ers to make the top 4


About time some **** at the Jets actually had some ambition

Did Jones give you a blowey or something? Never seen you act this way towards ANY coaching staff before.

You're talking him up likes hes the lord Griff himself. When hes taken a top 6 squad into the top 6...

Whoop de doo

[Roundball Enthusiast]

How about the teams below us on the ladder with much bigger budgets and supposedly better player rosters ?

The Jets have had a lot of key players out with injury, a change of coach and other personnel, and pretty much no favours from referees. And yet they are in 5th position on the table and starting to look like a genuine chance to play finals football.

Imagine being an Adelaide or Wanderers supporter from a moment before you whinge about how bad the Jets are going.

Both Adelaide, Wellington, or Wanderers have coaches with proven records at this level and better - yet Jones is ahead of them on the table.

For the first time in a long time I actually have started looking forward to game days.

Good on Jones and the team for making a go of this season so far when pretty much nothing has gone their way.

With a little luck I can see this team doing very well.

We're in 6th.

By 2 points.

And a total of 6 points off being 9th.

Lets have a fkn party!

[Roundball Enthusiast]

We play Perth twice, City & Wanderers. If we're in the 6 after that, I'll write a post praising Jones for his tremendous efforts of making the 6 in a comp of 10 teams.

[Bon]

last 5 weeks has been the best football weve played in god knows how long

You are right, but only in patches..
On the weekend we were fvcking horrible until Hoole scored..

[plague]

We aren't going to play through teams with brilliant passing and touches for 90 mins so we needed to find an easier way to score goals, which we now have.

i can't fully dispute your point until we look back at all of the Jets goals this year, but whilst everyone is talking 'bout Hooles finish last weekend, go back and watch the build up. It was very lovely.
many many passes, lots of movement.

yeah of course no team is doing that for 90. But i bet the Jets have scored a lot more great team goals this year than anyone realises*






*and yes because the Jets have been butt and terrible.

[StannyCFCJET]

i can't fully dispute your point until we look back at all of the Jets goals this year, but whilst everyone is talking 'bout Hooles finish last weekend, go back and watch the build up. It was very lovely.
many many passes, lots of movement.

yeah of course no team is doing that for 90. But i bet the Jets have scored a lot more great team goals this year than anyone realises*






*and yes because the Jets have been butt and terrible.

I remember goals where weve had a good last pass. Only really remember Hooles against perth and Brown against adelaide as beautiful team goals

[The Dunster]

So you're saying next stop Adelaide to win a Grand Final?

Yes. Then directly into the Socceroos with other state league players like Jedinak, Leckie, Juric, and Elrich.

[plague]

I remember goals where weve had a good last pass. Only really remember Hooles against perth and Brown against adelaide as beautiful team goals

someone get the redtubes working for my man Stanny here please. Jets are total fuutball

[StannyCFCJET]

someone get the redtubes working for my man Stanny here please. Jets are total fuutball

*Total Foolsball

[plague]

Takes me back to when I was younger and my old man said to me that if I don't hit the target, there's no chance of scoring.


I dunno, Steven Gerrard made a pretty decent career out of it........

[hawk]

Hoole = Rubbish but in a great run of form. That was a very good strike from him.
Cowburn = Rubbish but in poor form.

all these expurts, lol.

7 pages of inflated guess work about this game.

[Jetmaster]

I'm on a mission against stats, bloody stats, this year.....passing completion, kms run, assists, heat maps....ffs.

Aloisi on the weekend said the Jets didn't create much - who cares?

Only one stat matters - the final scoreline. I don't care if we had 3 percent of posession.

As for Hoole - strip everything away and he is equal top scorer. Nuff said.

[Wilso8948]

I'm on a mission against stats, bloody stats, this year.....passing completion, kms run, assists, heat maps....ffs.

Aloisi on the weekend said the Jets didn't create much - who cares?

Only one stat matters - the final scoreline. I don't care if we had 3 percent of posession.

As for Hoole - strip everything away and he is equal top scorer. Nuff said.

Rubbishes stats then brings up a stat to emphasise Hooles ability.



I love it.

[WolfMan]

Rubbishes stats then brings up a stat to emphasise Hooles ability.



I love it.

:gent:

[Jetmaster]

Rubbishes stats then brings up a stat to emphasise Hooles ability.



I love it.

I did say only ONE stat matters - goals in net.

[Jeterpool]

I'm on a mission against stats, bloody stats, this year.....passing completion, kms run, assists, heat maps....ffs.

Aloisi on the weekend said the Jets didn't create much - who cares?

Only one stat matters - the final scoreline. I don't care if we had 3 percent of posession.

As for Hoole - strip everything away and he is equal top scorer. Nuff said.

I won't expect a Christmas card then

[rhysd]

This seems like one of those glass half full situations Lefty. What i would call attacking skill, i.e. beating a player with pace, you are calling a defensive mistake, i.e being beaten with pace.

What i mean is like individual stuff-ups being punished. i.e Theo's dropped ball or a terrible pass out from the back. The last few years we wouldn't capitalise on these mistakes, this year we have been. We are coffing up as many errors as we had been but we've aided ourselves by being more ruthless when on the receiving end of these gifts.

We aren't going to play through teams with brilliant passing and touches for 90 mins so we needed to find an easier way to score goals, which we now have. If Jones is the reason for that then full Kudos to him. however i'm sticking with my original assessment of him until the end of the season. I was stating earlier that i could very well be wrong about him, and would be happy for him to guide us to the guilded toilet seat this year, but i will stick to my guns at this stage of the season as i can still a lot of problems with the way we are playing football. The results have been better than the football, which i suppose is better than the alternative.

Playing a style of football which suits the cattle at his disposal. I was keen to read the post match statistics following Aloisi's comments. We had less possession, but how much of their passing was sideways or backwards? We had a whopping 40+ interceptions compared their 12 or so. Our ability to break up play or interrupt their system leads to quite an effective reactive counterattack play. Hence why boogard and poljak are crucial inclusions on the team sheet.
We mustered more shots and more shots on target than Brisbane and looked good value for our win.
The difference between our style of play and Brisbane is that if we had mclaren playing at the point of our attack, we would score a bucket load more due to our ability to create real threatening chances.
The pre match talk up from fox sports was also interesting, the statistics indicated we are creating various chances in numerous games and are one of the danger teams in the comp.

Credit must go to Jones for creating a system of play which has us going through the football thirds and playing effective football. Bloody exciting to watch too I must admit.

[StannyCFCJET]

Playing a style of football which suits the cattle at his disposal. I was keen to read the post match statistics following Aloisi's comments. We had less possession, but how much of their passing was sideways or backwards? We had a whopping 40+ interceptions compared their 12 or so. Our ability to break up play or interrupt their system leads to quite an effective reactive counterattack play. Hence why boogard and poljak are crucial inclusions on the team sheet.
We mustered more shots and more shots on target than Brisbane and looked good value for our win.
The difference between our style of play and Brisbane is that if we had mclaren playing at the point of our attack, we would score a bucket load more due to our ability to create real threatening chances.
The pre match talk up from fox sports was also interesting, the statistics indicated we are creating various chances in numerous games and are one of the danger teams in the comp.

Credit must go to Jones for creating a system of play which has us going through the football thirds and playing effective football. Bloody exciting to watch too I must admit.

40 interceptions wow. Notice how whenever Boogard doesnt play our defense looks a shambles. I feel like he is the only talker in our back line. This is something Duncan needs to improve on heaps

[pv4]

As for Hoole - strip everything away and he is equal top scorer. Nuff said.

That sounds dangerously like a stat to me..

[Jetmaster]

That sounds dangerously like a stat to me..

Bloody hell....I said this...


I'm on a mission against stats, bloody stats, this year.....passing completion, kms run, assists, heat maps....ffs.

Aloisi on the weekend said the Jets didn't create much - who cares?

Only one stat matters - the final scoreline. I don't care if we had 3 percent of posession.

As for Hoole - strip everything away and he is equal top scorer. Nuff said.

By that I mean goals....that is all that matters to moi. For all his farkups Mouseman has more than anyone in our club this season other than Nabby.

[plague]

"Only one stat matters - mongrel"

now then....

[MFKS]

Credit must go to Jones for creating a system of play which has us going through the football thirds and playing effective football. Bloody exciting to watch too I must admit.

Makes all the other managers we have had look pretty average if they cant understand how to ****ing coach.

The bloke running the EJs couldn't get a superior roster to play better football. Let alone coach kids to do it


It isn't rocket science what Jones is doing. Playing in the final 3rd with speed of ball movement and forward runs bending the line.

Something the other imposters coaching us never understood.

[Jeterpool]

Been a bit tied up lately. Slowly catching up...hoole's goal was out 350th a-league goal