View Full Version : HAL 16/17 Round 15 - Other Fixtures
belchardo
13-01-2017, 01:54 PM
Happy days - gypos on the bottom (at least temporarily)
Last night - reds v city - reds win!
Tonight - victory v roar
Tomorrow - nix v mariners
Tomorrow night - sydney v wanderers
idontwannaplaywithhowey
13-01-2017, 05:06 PM
Happy Days for Radelaide.
A good result for us and Sydney winning the derby and it could be a great weekend.
Jetmaster
13-01-2017, 08:49 PM
How was the annoying Speedy last night...only two minutes after Adelaide took the lead he went through the draw and wondered aloud why they can't repeat last season.
How shit are the Roar??
Making our wins against them look pretty cheap
Jones is right when he say top 4 up for grabs
Their shitter han us
Retro Jet
13-01-2017, 09:34 PM
How shit are the Roar??
Making our wins against them look pretty cheap
Jones is right when he say top 4 up for grabs
They're shitter than us
Fixed & +1
Jetmaster
13-01-2017, 10:48 PM
How was the annoying Speedy last night...only two minutes after Adelaide took the lead he went through the draw and wondered aloud why they can't repeat last season.
Christ I hate listening to Speed...I think Ned does too..."well what do you want me to say?"
And.."do you train for these occasions when you are down to ten men?"
Ned...."no".
idontwannaplaywithhowey
14-01-2017, 03:29 PM
Free kick quality in that game weren't bad.
Jetmaster
14-01-2017, 06:11 PM
Feel sorry for Gypo and Nix fans tuning in to see their game. The wankfest that is the Sydney derby is in turbo drive on Fux.
plague
14-01-2017, 09:16 PM
is there a derby on?
Feel sorry for Gypo and Nix fans tuning in to see their game. The wankfest that is the Sydney derby is in turbo drive on Fux.
Two questions
Gypos have fans??
Gypos own TVs? ?
belchardo
14-01-2017, 09:23 PM
Two questions
Gypos have fans??
Gypos own TVs? ?
Depending on how they went with the break and enters this week, they could have several of each.
I know the FFA are going to do nothing but any guesses from people how many million over the Salary Cap the Smurfs actually are.
Devon Head
Beard
Ibini
Sebastian Ryall
New Dutch defender
Not in starting side FFS and can still put this side out on the park
What those is even funnier is the Wankers side.
Gee what the **** they spend it on.
They have a worse side on paper than we have had in recent years
So refs other than Chris Beath miss blatant handbills in the box too and favour and protect the big Sydney/ Melbourne teams
baldrick
14-01-2017, 09:34 PM
Was a good call from Greeny. Not handball imo
belchardo
14-01-2017, 09:35 PM
Good to see the refs using the old painted on eyes trick tonight.
steve136
14-01-2017, 09:35 PM
So glad Neville isn't here anymore. Useless and highly punchable face
Couscous
14-01-2017, 09:37 PM
Why the octopus tifo? Is that a reference to Fornaroli's FFA Cup victory speech?
Was a good call from Greeny. Not handball imo
What ****ing game you watching ??
It clear as day hit his arm which was moving and made contact with the ball
Just shows how bad they are
I think bad enough they missed the handball but it was a clear deflection and he gave the Smurfs a goal kick FFS
steve136
14-01-2017, 09:49 PM
This game is rubbish. Clear reminder that the only true derby in the league is the F3
baldrick
14-01-2017, 09:51 PM
What ****ing game you watching ??
It clear as day hit his arm which was moving and made contact with the ball
Just shows how bad they are
I think bad enough they missed the handball but it was a clear deflection and he gave the Smurfs a goal kick FFS
It has be be deliberate. Just because an arm is moving or it's in an "unnatural position " doesn't mean it's handball.
Agree, it should have been a corner though.
lquiquer
14-01-2017, 10:08 PM
It has be be deliberate. Just because an arm is moving or it's in an "unnatural position " doesn't mean it's handball.
Agree, it should have been a corner though.
So wasn't a penalty against Valery and for us 2 weeks ago?
So wasn't a penalty against Valery and for us 2 weeks ago?
Nah
Apparently it only handball now when you either catch the ball or play volleyball with it.
Every other time is an accident
To give the Smurfs credit their pressing is pretty impressively effective and organised
Suppose it helps playing at night time all the time just to keep Foxtel happy.
Try doing that shit in the Sunday graveyard game in 39C
furns
14-01-2017, 11:07 PM
What ****ing game you watching ??
It clear as day hit his arm which was moving and made contact with the ball
Just shows how bad they are
I think bad enough they missed the handball but it was a clear deflection and he gave the Smurfs a goal kick FFSagreed
The way I judge it if the arm is out or moving away from the body - its handball. If arms are tucked or moving towards the body - it shouldn't be given.
Jetmaster
15-01-2017, 09:38 AM
Agree. Go back a few years and it is not a penalty. Now anything where the arm moves toward the ball is treated as "deliberate".
How was Bozza pumping the use of the video ref in the last round. I swear it his baby.
Bremsstrahlung
15-01-2017, 10:47 AM
It has be be deliberate. Just because an arm is moving or it's in an "unnatural position " doesn't mean it's handball.
Agree, it should have been a corner though.
Disagree.
For me, if the arm is anywhere but by their side when defending a cross or shot, it's a hand ball. The defender is deliberately trying to make themselves look bigger and harder to get past, or gain an advantage, if the ball hits their arm and it's away from their body, they have gained an unfair advantage.
Trying to determine if something is deliberate is near impossible these days. How does one read their mind to know if it was deliberate or not. Players are trying to deceive referees more and more. Diving, faking injuries to get players booked, appealing for throw ins/corners when they obviously kicked the ball out.
Disagree.
For me, if the arm is anywhere but by their side when defending a cross or shot, it's a hand ball. The defender is deliberately trying to make themselves look bigger and harder to get past, or gain an advantage, if the ball hits their arm and it's away from their body, they have gained an unfair advantage.
Trying to determine if something is deliberate is near impossible these days. How does one read their mind to know if it was deliberate or not. Players are trying to deceive referees more and more. Diving, faking injuries to get players booked, appealing for throw ins/corners when they obviously kicked the ball out.
Baldrick though is right here
Read the rule book
It says deliberate use of hand
There is nothing in the rule book about natural hand position or any of that other bullshit refs have somehow added to the game in recent years that are outside the rule book
It never used to be handball 20 years ago as the rule was applied as deliberate use if the hand. Being struck by the ball in the arm was never a free kick until some dumb **** referee starting going outside the rule book and making it an offence
Bremsstrahlung
15-01-2017, 03:01 PM
Baldrick though is right here
Read the rule book
It says deliberate use of hand
There is nothing in the rule book about natural hand position or any of that other bullshit refs have somehow added to the game in recent years that are outside the rule book
It never used to be handball 20 years ago as the rule was applied as deliberate use if the hand. Being struck by the ball in the arm was never a free kick until some dumb **** referee starting going outside the rule book and making it an offence
So if I stand with my arms up at a free kick, the kicker kicks the ball and it strikes my arm it is play on?
I didn't deliberately touch the ball, my arm was there, the ball hit my arm. The kicker could have kicked the ball anywhere and chose to kick it into my arm.
So if I stand with my arms up at a free kick, the kicker kicks the ball and it strikes my arm it is play on?
I didn't deliberately touch the ball, my arm was there, the ball hit my arm. The kicker could have kicked the ball anywhere and chose to kick it into my arm.
According to the rule book.
It is play on
Just referees adding their own spin on it.
Bremsstrahlung
15-01-2017, 03:28 PM
According to the rule book.
It is play on
Just referees adding their own spin on it.
Rofl. I'm sure it'll catch on since it seems totally viable.
And the "spin" or "bullshit" interpretations of referees is actually from official interpretations and coaching from FIFA representatives.
But whatever, keep up the good work.
Rofl. I'm sure it'll catch on since it seems totally viable.
And the "spin" or "bullshit" interpretations of referees is actually from official interpretations and coaching from FIFA representatives.
But whatever, keep up the good work.
Hey dont let what is written in the Laws of The Game be a constraint to you then.
It be the same as someone taking the book of god
Then re writing it so they are front and centre and a main player in the story.
Doesn't make it right does it.
baldrick
15-01-2017, 04:54 PM
Baldrick though is right here
Read the rule book
It says deliberate use of hand
There is nothing in the rule book about natural hand position or any of that other bullshit refs have somehow added to the game in recent years that are outside the rule book
It never used to be handball 20 years ago as the rule was applied as deliberate use if the hand. Being struck by the ball in the arm was never a free kick until some dumb **** referee starting going outside the rule book and making it an offence
:thumbsup:
Bremsstrahlung
15-01-2017, 05:07 PM
Hey dont let what is written in the Laws of The Game be a constraint to you then.
It be the same as someone taking the book of god
Then re writing it so they are front and centre and a main player in the story.
Doesn't make it right does it.
Sounds exactly like that tbh.
Follow the rules you want to when it suits you.
Sounds exactly like that tbh.
Follow the rules you want to when it suits you.
I thought I was referencing a well known religion that done that but it obviously sailed over your head
Anyway
Bremsstrahlung
15-01-2017, 06:03 PM
Rules state "a deliberate act".
Eg. The deliberate act of raising your arms to gain an advantage.
Eg. The deliberate act of stopping the ball with your arm.
Was it deliberate? Did he intentionally put himself in the way of the shot?
baldrick
15-01-2017, 08:50 PM
So if I stand with my arms up at a free kick, the kicker kicks the ball and it strikes my arm it is play on?
I didn't deliberately touch the ball, my arm was there, the ball hit my arm. The kicker could have kicked the ball anywhere and chose to kick it into my arm.
Are you deliberately trying to gain an advantage by having your arms out ?
Handball then.
Are you deliberately trying to gain an advantage by having your arms out ?
Handball then.
His argument falls in a hole with his example where he says he didn't DELIBERATELY touch the ball
If it ain't DELIBERATE ...... It ain't hand ball
Bremsstrahlung
15-01-2017, 09:12 PM
Are you deliberately trying to gain an advantage by having your arms out ?
Handball then.
Yes.
Same scenario as birraz a few years ago where he put his arms out and jumped at the attacker who kicked the ball towards goal and into birraz' arm.
The defender is making an attempt to block the shot. By having his arms away from his body he is making himself bigger, and eventually gaining an advantage when the shot is blocked by his arm.
It's the same reason a lot of defenders go into tackles with their arms by their sides or behind their back.
Bremsstrahlung
15-01-2017, 09:16 PM
His argument falls in a hole with his example where he says he didn't DELIBERATELY touch the ball
If it ain't DELIBERATE ...... It ain't hand ball
The above example ain't in no hole. It is deliberate circumventing of the law. The same as if a keeper rolls a ball to a defender who then chips a ball to a team mate who heads it to the keeper to pick up. While the rules say you can pick it up, the players are circumventing the laws of the game in an unsporting manner.
plague
15-01-2017, 09:39 PM
If arms are tucked or moving towards the body - it shouldn't be given.
https://i.chzbgr.com/full/8472324096/h33F300BF/
baldrick
16-01-2017, 08:34 AM
I enjoy a good discussion about the laws of the game :thumbsup:
monz6
16-01-2017, 02:47 PM
Needs to be an honestly system. When it hits a players arm the ref stops play and asks then if it's deliberate. Then the player answers. Honesty system will solve this problem
Bremsstrahlung
16-01-2017, 03:44 PM
An honesty system would prevent the need for all these video replays.
Players are so intent on lying and deceiving the referee it makes a once pretty simple job, all that much more difficult.
I bet all of your jobs would be a lot more difficult if all your customers/clients/patients were lying to you.
Jetmaster
16-01-2017, 06:30 PM
Just make handball below the elbow only.
Just make handball below the elbow only.
I actually wish the refs would actually book the blokes who intentionally use their hands to control the ball
There was a couple yesterday Marinkovic and Chinese Messi got pinged for it
Both times they intentionally tried controlling the ball with their arm as the ball flight HD deceived them controlling it correctly.
Easy as piss decision for the ref to give a Free Kick
Why the blokes don't get booked for this shit surprises me.
It clear as day trying to cheat
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