16/17 HAL Round 16 | Western Sydney v Newcastle Jets | Sun 22nd Jan 2017 5:00pm

[Jeterpool]

A-League 16/17 Round 16 Preview - Western Sydney Wanderers v Newcastle Jets

FIXTURE FACTS

Overall – 13 matches between the two teams.
Jets Wins - 3, Wanderers Wins - 6, Drawn - 4


In Newcastle – 6 matches.
Jets Wins - 0, Wanderers Wins - 4, Drawn - 2
In Sydney - 7 matches
Jets Wins - 3, Wanderers Wins - 2, Drawn - 2

Average Home A-League Crowd – 15522
Average Away A-League Crowd - 11330

Goals in Fixture
Jets – 14, Wanderers - 19
In Sydney -
Jets – 10, Wanderers - 9

1st Goals in Fixture
Jets – 4, Wanderers - 9

Cards in Fixture
Jets - 27 (25 yellow, 2 red), Wanderers 19 (19 yellow, 0 red)

Recent Form (A-League)
Jets - WDLWD (8 points from last 15)
Wanderers - DDDLD (4 points from last 15)

Leading Scorers
Jets - Andrew Nabbout (5)
Wanderers – Brendon Santalab (6)

Last Result -
Jets 2 (Boogaard 81', Hoole 88') – Wanderers 2 (Borda 24', Dimas 45+2' pen) at Spotless Stadium, A-League, Round 3, 23/10/2016.

Starting line-ups from Last Meeting in Season 16/17 Round 3

Newcastle JetsWestern Sydney Wanderers
Jack DuncanAndrew Redmayne
Nick CowburnScott Neville
Lachlan JacksonRobert Cornthwaite
Nigel BoogaardArtiz Borda
Ivan VujicaJack Clisby
Steven UgarkovicMitch Nichols
Ben KantarovskiKearyn Baccus
Wayne BrownDimas
Andrew NabboutJumpei Kusukami
Andrew HooleKerem Bulut
Devante ClutSteven Lustica



FIXTURE RECORDS


Biggest Win

Jets 2 (Jaliens 37’, Taggart 64’) – Wanderers 0, Round 21, Season 2013/14 at Pirtek Stadium, 02/03/2014.

Heaviest Defeat

Jets 0 – Wanderers 3 (Bridge 6’, 33’, Visconte 80’), Round 27, Season 2012/13 at Hunter Stadium, 29/03/2013.

Leading Scorers in fixture –


Jets - Adam Taggart (3)
Wanderers - Mark Bridge (5)



2016/17 SEASON STATISTICS

NumberNameAppearancesStartsSubstitute AppearancesSubbed offMinutes PlayedGoalsAssistsYellow CardsRed - Second BookableStraight Red
2Daniel Mullen550142300000
3Jason Hoffman141312114600100
4Nigel Boogaard10100186421300
5Ben Kantarovski752346401000
6Steven Ugarkovic141312113510300
7Andrew Hoole151500135041500
8Mateo Poljak14104397710100
9Aleksandr Kokko725217100000
10Wayne Brown141404117421400
11Labinot Haliti312011600000
12Andy Brennan21119500000
13Ivan Vujica1091377500100
15Andrew Nabbout12111690853300
16Nick Cowburn12102194900000
18Ma Leilei826228710300
19Morten Nordstrand1293581431100
20Jack Duncan151500135000000
22Lachlan Jackson541133700000
23Devante Clut1468560412000
24Kristian Brymora1010600000
26Iain Fyfe330220500100
28John Koutroumbis1275070001400



COACHING

Coaches Head to Head – 1 matches
Mark Jones - 0 wins, Tony Popovic - 0 wins, 1 draw

Newcastle Jets A-League Coaching Records –

Mark Jones - 1 matches (0 wins, 1 draw, 0 losses = 0% win ratio)
Scott Miller - 3 matches (0 win, 0 drawn, 3 losses = 0% win ratio)
Phil Stubbins - 3 matches (1 win, 2 drawn, 0 losses = 33% win ratio)
Gary Van Egmond – 4 matches (1 win, 0 drawn and 3 losses = 25% win ratio)
Richard Money - No Matches
Branko Culina - No Matches
Nick Theodorakopoulos - No Matches
Craig Deans - No Matches
Clayton Zane – 2 matches (1 win, 1 drawn, 0 losses = 50% win ratio)

Western Sydney Wanderers Coach Record – Tony Popovic 46% win ratio (6 wins, 4 drawn, 3 losses)




TALKING POINTS:


General

The Jets 3 wins against the Wanderers have all come away from home.
The Jets have won 10 points from losing positions this year - the most in one season in their history.
Newcastle have also scored 22 goals this season - the most at this stage in any season previous.
They have also scored multiple goals for 6 consecutive weeks. This has only occurred once - a run from Rd 17 to the home semi in 2007/08



COACHES

Mark Jones has the second highest goals per game ratio (1.47) of all Jets A-League coaches. He sits behind Clayton Zane (1.58).
However, his teams also concede the 3rd highest number of goals per game in Jets history - 1.73. He's ahead of Phil Stubbins (2.04) and Nick Theodorakopoulos (2.29)



Players

Andrew Hoole, who is suspended for this week's match, had previously played every minute so far this season - the last remaining Jets outfield player with this record.
Wayne Brown and John Koutroumbis remain one card away from an automatic suspension.
Vedran Janjetovic has kept 8 clean sheets in 11 appearances against Newcastle.
Last week, Adam Taggart became the 24th ex-Jet to score against the club.



Newcastle Jets

The Jets are 13 games without a clean sheet in the A-League. This is the =3rd highest run in their history. The longest streak is 18 games.
One-third of the Jets goals against the Wanderers have been scored in the last 15 minutes of the match.



Western Sydney Wanderers

Wanderers haven't won at home all season.

[WolfMan]

Vedran Janjetovic has kept 8 clean sheets in 11 appearances against Newcastle.

Pretty concerned about this. 0-0 final score for mine

[Jeterpool]

Also thanks Furns and Hawk for covering my absence

[Hunter403]

Not a "must win" but a "should win if you want to be serious about the finals" type of match. Ergo, we will lose.

[StannyCFCJET]

Not a "must win" but a "should win if you want to be serious about the finals" type of match. Ergo, we will lose.

No i'd say Must Win, any game against teams in the race for the 5th and 6th place are must wins

[Grimario]

Why the **** isn't every single game we play a "must win"?

[StannyCFCJET]

Why the **** isn't every single game we play a "must win"?

Cause were in a 10 team competition with no relegation. I wish everygame was a must win wether the players have this view who knows

[hawk]

Also thanks Furns and Hawk for covering my absence

Glad your back. I was running out of quality stats.

[plague]

Why the **** isn't every single game we play a "must win"?

I see this as a definite "won't win" game.

[Jeterpool]

Glad your back. I was running out of quality stats.

Just make them up like I do. People trust you and never cross-check. Also throw the odd mistake in to keep people on their toes.

[StannyCFCJET]

Just make them up like I do. People trust you and never cross-check. Also throw the odd mistake in to keep people on their toes.

The secret is out

[Couscous]

We are the Wanderers' boogie team. We will win convincingly. Vujica will start and will play the game of his life: TWO assists.

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[evanhayes5]

Duncan; Hoffman, Boogs, Jackson, Cowburn; Steve U, Mateo; Nabbout, Brown, Ma; Kokko

If brown doesnt get up devante in

[Cunning stunts]

many people attending this game?

we have a bucks Saturday night in Sydney and then 15 of us are staying another night and heading to this

[Jeterpool]

Duncan; Hoffman, Boogs, Jackson, Cowburn; Steve U, Mateo; Nabbout, Brown, Ma; Kokko

If brown doesnt get up devante in

No Nordstrand???

[evanhayes5]

No Nordstrand???

I watched training yesterday he didnt train, and he wasnt even there

Brown didnt train but he was there doing rehab stuff

[Bon]

I watched training yesterday he didnt train, and he wasnt even there

Brown didnt train but he was there doing rehab stuff

Was he off flying in the plane with Matt Hall yesterday?
I saw the video of it, but wasn't sure if it had been filmed another day or not..

[evanhayes5]

Was he off flying in the plane with Matt Hall yesterday?
I saw the video of it, but wasn't sure if it had been filmed another day or not..

Ah just saw that, but do you think they'd let a player have a day off to go flying? surely that could be done on a player day off?

[Bon]

Ah just saw that, but do you think they'd let a player have a day off to go flying? surely that could be done on a player day off?

Well, we are a bit of a joke.. :gent:
The more I think about it, I remember Matt Hall saying in the clip that he was wary that Morton had played a game the day before, so that would mean they did the fly on Monday..

[steve136]

We will lose 3-1 and fall to 8th. Which will be fine with half the foz because we look way better coming 8th under Jones than we ever did coming 8th under Miller.

[Macca]

Not getting into Jones v Miller, but are you seriously saying you couldn't care less about what goes on during the 90 minutes each week as long as we get a few wins every week? Sure, winning is good and would be great to see us in finals again - but personally I like watching nice football. If you only cared about results why even bother watching the game? Just check the scores each week.

[steve136]

Not getting into Jones v Miller, but are you seriously saying you couldn't care less about what goes on during the 90 minutes each week as long as we get a few wins every week? Sure, winning is good and would be great to see us in finals again - but personally I like watching nice football. If you only cared about results why even bother watching the game? Just check the scores each week.

Nah it's not Miller v Jones for me - I dislike both of them. I think Jones has done a better job producing a watchable product than Miller did, but I'm confused by the complete acceptance of mediocrity around some parts - like going near the top 60% of the competition is some kind of achievement.

Also, I think playing sound, solid defence counts as nice football, and I'm seeing absolutely zero of that this season.

I think we have the capability to produce better quality and results by not giving our opponents complete control of the game for the first 10 minutes like we seem to have made a habit of this season. I think we should find ways to include quality players in our starting 11 like Kokko and Clut, while putting guys into positions they are comfortable in (ie Brown not playing as our AM). I think we're fortunate to have picked up as many results as we have, and expect our outcomes to regress to our mean over the remainder of the season, which will be 8th or 9th.

More onto your question though - yes, I care more about results than playing aesthetically pleasing, ineffective football. Not that these things should be mutually exclusive. But if I had a choice between us winning a bunch of scrappy games 1-0 and finishing the season in 5th or playing occasionally nice football and finishing 8th, it's an absolute no-brainer to me. 7 years without even finishing in middle of the pack is too long for mine.

[hawk]

This isnt a jonesiller debate for mine either but one taking us out of deep sh1t to another lifting us a bit further with a slightly better squad.

Big picture, we need to keep this improvement going so we are top 4 and can wear inflatable jets hats and break more school fencing with pride.

[Bon]

This isnt a jonesiller debate for mine but one taking us out of deep sh1t to another lifting us a bit further with a slightly better squad.

Big picture, we need to keep this improvement going so we are top 4 and can wear inflatable jets hats and break more school fencing with pride.

Need to install some of that massive t-rex style fencing that you have around your mansion, hawk..
No chance of it collapsing, so SD won't hurt his wang again.. :gent:

[hawk]

Need to install some of that massive t-rex style fencing that you have around your mansion, hawk..
No chance of it collapsing, so SD won't hurt his wang again.. :gent:

Speaking of security fence, E-sec should just get attack dogs on the sidelines for kids having too much fun. Their 80kg weight advantage doesnt make up for the -8 IQ.

[outsider]

Referee Matthew Conger

[Hunter403]

Referee Matthew Conger

Love a good conger line

[MFKS]

Hey Q Man


You putting an appearance in tomorrow ??

[hawk]

Hey Q Man


You putting an appearance in tomorrow ??

up to his nuts in form guides. the new silver fox

[MFKS]

Could be getting smashed right now in my company

***

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Kokko gets his chance to make a mark. Lets see how this goes.

[Hunter403]

Another slow start it seems....

[belchardo]

Remember when everybody jacked off about how awesome WSW fans were and that they'd never have an empty seat at any ground they played at?

[belchardo]

Another slow start it seems....

We really ride our luck in the first 15 - 20 mins don't we.

[Hunter403]

Looks like Jones wants rapid counter attacks. No mucking atound going forward

[Hunter403]

We really ride our luck in the first 15 - 20 mins don't we.

Seems like if we survive that period we are in with a chance

[Jetmaster]

I find myself missing Hoole and his entertaining chook runs.

[Hunter403]

Damn we are giving Nichols some space.

[Hunter403]

31 min. Best play of the game from us

[plague]

I swear I just saw some football from the Jets.i swear to God.

[Hunter403]

This ref is very poor...both ways!

[Jetmaster]

This ref is very poor...both ways!

You can see him deciding this game can't you?

[Hunter403]

Crap marking

[Hunter403]

Jackson was ball watching

[steve136]

Garbage defence. Story of our season.

[Frodo]

Rofl, Could we have been walking at a slower pace for that goal?

[weston]

Poor final pass by Ugarkovic otherwise we would of been odds on to score. Go down the other end and we are as casual as you like.

[plague]

Good finish though.

[steve136]

Poor final pass by Ugarkovic otherwise we would of been odds on to score. Go down the other end and we are as casual as you like.

Agreed. Love Uga but he has blown a couple chances for us today by not making the right pass at the right time. Our backline has been awful all season - shocks me we had all this club talk in January about signing another striker but nothing about finding CBs who can defend.

[The Dunster]

We look very good at times with the ball but the end products just not there.
Kokko is very good on the ball but unfortunately he's not the best at finding it in space.
1-0 down at half time is not the worst thing that could happen - I'm hopping Poppa tries to park the bus.

[halo se7en]

Garbage defence. Story of our season.

I thought our season was being defined by Jones' swashbuckling attacking tactics which are clearly in full force today.

[steve136]

I thought our season was being defined by Jones' swashbuckling attacking tactics which are clearly in full force today.

Yeah my heart could hardly stop racing from that total of 0 shots on target we had in the first half.

[plague]

I thought our season was being defined by Jones' swashbuckling attacking tactics which are clearly in full force today.

oh man i love this post for everything you put in it.
very very well played.

[Wilso8948]

This ref is just shit isn't he. Doesn't play advantage. Then needs his touchy to play ref for him

[Frodo]

I think Uga needs to spend a week cleaning boots and thinking about what he was doing well at the start of the season. Good player in a rough patch at the moment.

[Hunter403]

This ref is out of his depth.

Struggling to see where we will get a goal from today. Clut not dpoing it for me as a 10. Maybe Ugar to 10?

[Hunter403]

Mullen on for Clut? Interesting choice

[steve136]

ffs Jones. Can any fanboy explain to me why we're bringing on Mullen for Clut when 1-0 down?

[StannyCFCJET]

ffs Jones. Can any fanboy explain to me why we're bringing on Mullen for Clut when 1-0 down?

Cause hoffman is a great goal scorer??? Wonder what our two strikers on the bench are thinking

[steve136]

Cause hoffman is a great goal scorer??? Wonder what our two strikers on the bench are thinking

They'll be content with the 90 seconds they'll get on the field at the end of the game.

[steve136]

lol you'd think our defence would be better with 3 CBs out there.

[Hunter403]

Game gone. Finals gone

[halo se7en]

Quick Jones, throw on another ****ing defender.

[belchardo]

So, given we've conceded two this week, and we're aiming to concede one a game, are we locked in for a clean sheet next week?

[belchardo]

lol you'd think our defence would be better with 3 CBs out there.

3 CBs getting in each others way was probably the issue.

[The Dunster]

Three players unmarked in the box. Farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk - unforgivable

Back to reality for us all I think.

I wanted to give Kokko a chance but he's too slow, doesn't look for the ball enough and should not be retained.

[steve136]

Quick Jones, throw on another ****ing defender.

In before MFKS gets here and argues it's Miller's fault because Mullen is his guy.

[lquiquer]

#KokkoOut ....waste of money, waste of visa spot

[Hunter403]

I've been hoping that Kokko would be what we needed but he is too slow. Not helping that he hasn't got anyone playing off him. He might be better with Brown or Nordstrand as a 10 rather than Clut or Ma

[Hunter403]

Kokko off. Lurch on

[steve136]

I've been hoping that Kokko would be what we needed but he is too slow. Not helping that he hasn't got anyone playing off him. He might be better with Brown or Nordstrand as a 10 rather than Clut or Ma

Pretty sure he'll be starting with Mullen as a 10 next week.

[halo se7en]

In before MFKS gets here and argues it's Miller's fault because Mullen is his guy.

I've decided the score doesn't matter. As long as Jets fans enjoy this game more than any Jets game they've seen in the last 34 years.

[plague]

I mean, this 2nd half has been awful.
Like really really ****ing awful.

[steve136]

I've decided the score doesn't matter. As long as Jets fans enjoy this game more than any Jets game they've seen in the last 34 years.

Good point. And we almost got a shot on target today which is way better than all those games last year where we also got no shots on target but they were further away.

[Frodo]

Hey, It's not the members fault we are losing.

It's not even really Jones's fault either. He isn't bloody helping tho.

We have been walking along all game like we don't want to be there. Also we can't pass... again.

Fold the club.

[Wilso8948]

Boogard has been very disappointing recently. Uga has had a poor game. Kokko offers not much. Doesn't suit our style. Have nothing against him. Missing Hoole and some energy from nordstrand. Brown does a lot of work too which can't be underestimated. Another game to show the quality in our side is just too thin.

[Hunter403]

Really poor second half. We are making a very ordinary WSW look alright

[The Dunster]

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[belchardo]

Hey, It's not the members fault we are losing.

It's not even really Jones's fault either. He isn't bloody helping tho.

We have been walking along all game like we don't want to be there. Also we can't pass... again.

Fold the club.

Clearly it is millers fault.

[steve136]

Clut was at least promising to be threatening. Blows my mind we took him off for Mullen. I didn't think I would ever see a sub worse than what GVE used to come up with.

[Frodo]

Clearly it is millers fault.

How so?

There is 11 players on that pitch getting shamed and really not doing much to change it.

[Frodo]

We should sign Santalab the little filthbag. Working harder in the last 10 minutes than our forwards have all day.

[Wilso8948]

Yeh a really really poor showing from the players today. I'm not getting into the whole coaching bullshit. The players attitude is completely off. Had it there to play for. Top 6 and get some room on wsw. Their touch, effort, communication has all been below par

[Frodo]

Yeh a really really poor showing from the players today. I'm not getting into the whole coaching bullshit. The players attitude is completely off. Had it there to play for. Top 6 and get some room on wsw. Their touch, effort, communication has all been below par

This.

[The Dunster]

Three starters out this week and it is showing. Hoole, Nobby, and Brown make a big difference regardless of what people keep wanting to believe.
With a little more depth or less injuries we can make the finals.
Wanderers were shit today as well. I don't think any team would fear playing them.
I don't buy into this players attitude shit from the Foz Illuminati either - given that win lose or draw it's probably the same.

[steve136]

Yeh a really really poor showing from the players today. I'm not getting into the whole coaching bullshit. The players attitude is completely off. Had it there to play for. Top 6 and get some room on wsw. Their touch, effort, communication has all been below par

Huge game in the context of our season - zero reason for the players not to be at the top of their game for this one. We have massive problems with our club culture if their is no drive in the team to achieve results. Something needs to be fixed.

[The Dunster]

Huge game in the context of our season - zero reason for the players not to be at the top of their game for this one. We have massive problems with our club culture if their is no drive in the team to achieve results. Something needs to be fixed.

You must be ****ing joking ? Three key players out for this game and we lost away from home. Sure we weren't the best today but I don't think player attitude had anything to do with it.

[steve136]

You must be ****ing joking ? Three key players out for this game and we lost away from home. Sure we weren't the best today but I don't think player attitude had anything to do with it.

Players being out excuses quality, not effort or drive, and I saw zero of that in the second half from any of our guys. We were playing for a spot in the top 6 today and we f*cking walked it in. Disgusting.

[Jeterpool]

People will point toward the 3 that were missing.

I choose to point questions to the 14 players and coaches who actually had the ability to influence the result.

[MFKS]

****ing disgrace that


4 hours to get home after watching that shite


Great day out until kick off

**** the club

Bunch of ****s the lot of them

Made Raheem Sterling look good

[Tommyjet]

A couple of blokes got their chance to show their wares today and fluffed it.

[Hunter403]

Good for 20 minutes out of 90.

Kokko missed his chance
Clut is no number 10
Ma inconsistent
Jackson too inexperienced

[hawk]

Game gone. Finals gone

of course. Anyone who thought we were finals contenders is max slow. We play ok, are decent to watch and not as bad as the last 2/3 yrs.

[The Dunster]

Players being out excuses quality, not effort or drive, and I saw zero of that in the second half from any of our guys. We were playing for a spot in the top 6 today and we f*cking walked it in. Disgusting.

Players probably did it just to piss you off. We all have good and bad days. Generally speaking it's not by choice we have bad ones - and until the moment of truth you never know how you are going to perform on the park.

[parksey]

labi would've scored 5

[StannyCFCJET]

labi would've scored 5 too bad he's behind two defenders in the were losing make a change subs

[The Dunster]

Just watched the presser. Jones said that Mullen for Clut was about moving Lei Lei to 10 and Hoff to where Lei Lei was so we could penetrate more.

I think the only ones getting penetrated by that move were the Jets fans that travelled to watch the game.

[NUGUNS]

Was there a match on today? I thought I saw the jets on TV at the pub but I saw a team playing nothing compared to what I saw in the past 5 weeks.

[Captain Obvious]

Was there a match on today? I thought I saw the jets on TV at the pub but I saw a team playing nothing compared to what I saw in the past 5 weeks.

Yes the Newcastle Jets played the Western Sydney Wanderers.

[StannyCFCJET]

Just watched the presser. Jones said that Mullen for Clut was about moving Lei Lei to 10 and Hoff to where Lei Lei was so we could penetrate more.

I think the only ones getting penetrated by that move were the Jets fans that travelled to watch the game.

Did he use the injuries and suspensions as an excuse at all??

[turbojetfireV8]

Did he use the injuries and suspensions as an excuse at all??

or how about the cow paddock they played on not being conducive to good football? that's a good enough excuse isn't it... :popcorn:

[Roundball Enthusiast]

And that, right there.. Is the difference between the Jets and a top 6 team. They turn up when the points need to be gained. We simply don't.

See you all next year for the fight for 6th.

[The Camel]

****ing disgrace that


4 hours to get home after watching that shite


Great day out until kick off

**** the club

Bunch of ****s the lot of them

Made Raheem Sterling look good

At last the Member got his account back after Jones has hacked it for the last month. ****ing fraud of a coach

[Bon]

I think there were two passages in the whole game where we passed it ridiculously well, triangles, flicks, however managed to do nothing with it.
Other than those two moments, we were absolute horsesh!t..

I made the mistake of commenting to my mates before the game, about what a noob Scott was and how he couldn't score... Such an amateur thing to say/do..
After that, they put money on him to score twice.. Turns out we were all losers..

[Roundball Enthusiast]

I made the mistake of commenting to my mates before the game, about what a noob Scott was and how he couldn't score... Such an amateur thing to say/do..


Thanks Bon, you cost us the finals.

[lquiquer]

****ing disgrace that


4 hours to get home after watching that shite


Great day out until kick off

**** the club

Bunch of ****s the lot of them

Made Raheem Sterling look good

Did you have a chat to Lord Gypo at the tenzo?

[hawk]

Hmmm 1st time Ive missed a game for donx. Should i watch the replay or just let it go and pretend it didnt happen.

I think most in here are astute enough for a fair account of the game. maybe a swim then tennis instead before residing to the mens club for a cognac

[evanhayes5]

Sawyer did more in 10 mins than what Kokko's done this entire season

[Frodo]

Sawyer did more in 10 mins than what Kokko's done this entire season

You mean ran around aimlessly and couldn't lift his giant head up enough to see a pass that wasn't two feet from him?

Not trying to knock the bloke too hard cause he is very young, but if that's all it takes for you to get excited your wife must either love/hate you depending on your skills at Coitus...

He did seem to give it a go, which is to be expected of a young bloke.

Kokko, whilst probably not being a great player, wasn't helped by those around him. He needs someone a bit smarter than Lei Le, around him to feed off/feed to. Nobby or Brown seem to be the better option to play with him but with our system Jones seems to pick either Kokko or Nobby. Considering Nobby is now about 76 years young we kind of can't win with either of those choices at the moment.

If only Haliti was fit and firing.

[StannyCFCJET]

You mean ran around aimlessly and couldn't lift his giant head up enough to see a pass that wasn't two feet from him?

Not trying to knock the bloke too hard cause he is very young, but if that's all it takes for you to get excited your wife must either love/hate you depending on your skills at Coitus...

He did seem to give it a go, which is to be expected of a young bloke.

Kokko, whilst probably not being a great player, wasn't helped by those around him. He needs someone a bit smarter than Lei Le, around him to feed off/feed to. Nobby or Brown seem to be the better option to play with him but with our system Jones seems to pick either Kokko or Nobby. Considering Nobby is now about 76 years young we kind of can't win with either of those choices at the moment.

If only Haliti was fit and firing.

wouldn't matter Jones doesnt rate him from what ive seen

[Macca]

Clut struggled but has shown promise in a few games. His shooting on the weekend was pretty woeful, two (maybe more) quite good chances that were nowhere near on target. Kokko was pretty invisible for the most part. Whether he was not making himself available or just wasn't being found I'm not sure. I still think he's being hurt by the style of trying to play the striker in behind. Needs either a second striker with him or the #10 to be closer to him for it to work I think. Otherwise he won't see the ball and when he does he won't be able to do anything with it. Did some nice work on the right wing in the leadup to Hoffman's shot though

[OmeletteDuFromage]

I only caught the first half, but I remember pretty much every time Kokko got it, it was at halfway making a pass either back to DF or out wide, and couldnt be seen in the resulting attack

[evanhayes5]

You mean ran around aimlessly and couldn't lift his giant head up enough to see a pass that wasn't two feet from him?

Not trying to knock the bloke too hard cause he is very young, but if that's all it takes for you to get excited your wife must either love/hate you depending on your skills at Coitus...

He did seem to give it a go, which is to be expected of a young bloke.

Kokko, whilst probably not being a great player, wasn't helped by those around him. He needs someone a bit smarter than Lei Le, around him to feed off/feed to. Nobby or Brown seem to be the better option to play with him but with our system Jones seems to pick either Kokko or Nobby. Considering Nobby is now about 76 years young we kind of can't win with either of those choices at the moment.

If only Haliti was fit and firing.

Ran around aimlessly?

The kid can actually press defenders, and apply pressure. He made a few intelligent runs as well but or players seem afraid or incapable of playing forward at times.

Rewatch the first goal and look at what Kokko does.

Kokko has got to be one of the slowest players I have ever seen. He comes deep links with the midfield, and then when the ball gets wide for a deliverey he isnt in the box.

[MFKS]

The biggest problem for me in that game after watching the **** whilst sober today is the incompetence of the midfield

Stevie u and Poljak were ****ing anonymous and shown no control of that game.

This an area where we need significant reinforcement in

Poljak has to go


Seriously how does Johnny K not getting a run here? ?

Other thing that needs addressing is Cowburn . The bloke is the slowest full back on the planet
He has no left foot and constantly kills attacks

So what exactly is the point of playing him at fullback???

If he ain't good enough to get a run in the middle of the park. Release him and move on

Kokko is shit. Jones is right to not want to play him much

What was really irritating was the severe lack of leadership amongst the players. No one looked like inspiring the team onwards in adversity

The opponent was pretty average yet we made them look comfortable

[lquiquer]

Hey Member
Haven't seen the replay but got the impression Kokko is 1 meter away from Sotirio on the first goal, just watching him and not trying to apply any pressure on him.....Am I correct?....#KokkoOut .......Mifsud would have scored 30 goals in the Finnish League if he had played there 4/5 years ago.....:lulzturtle:

[plague]

Seriously how does Johnny K not getting a run here? ?


serious though ask that mong coach mate of yours.
bloke is a discrace.

at least let the kid have a run before he no doubt goes to a better club in the off season.

[plague]

The biggest problem for me in that game after watching the **** whilst sober today is the incompetence of the midfield

Stevie u and Poljak were ****ing anonymous and shown no control of that game.

This an area where we need significant reinforcement in

Poljak has to go


Seriously how does Johnny K not getting a run here? ?

Other thing that needs addressing is Cowburn . The bloke is the slowest full back on the planet
He has no left foot and constantly kills attacks

So what exactly is the point of playing him at fullback???

If he ain't good enough to get a run in the middle of the park. Release him and move on

Kokko is shit. Jones is right to not want to play him much

What was really irritating was the severe lack of leadership amongst the players. No one looked like inspiring the team onwards in adversity

The opponent was pretty average yet we made them look comfortable



hahahahaha, even though the Member is serving you up overcooked steak and too much pumpkin, he's always gonna give you a little bit of that homemade sauce to make it taste a bit better.

[halo se7en]

Hey Member
Haven't seen the replay but got the impression Kokko is 1 meter away from Sotirio on the first goal, just watching him and not trying to apply any pressure on him.....Am I correct?....#KokkoOut .......Mifsud would have scored 30 goals in the Finnish League if he had played there 4/5 years ago.....:lulzturtle:

Why the **** are we relying on Kokko to defend?

[lquiquer]

Why the **** are we relying on Kokko to defend?

Ask let's say Guardiola or Sacchi or let's just mention Total Football.......Never heard first line of defence are the forwards?.... Kokko is so deep on the first goal he may as well try to do something if he made it that far back down the pitch......

[Wilso8948]

I agree that uga and poljak were very poor yesty. Poljak however has been rather impressive recently for a pretty average player. If he gets his citizenship sorted he'd be quite the handy backup if we do strengthen our mids

[StannyCFCJET]

Something i've noticed most weeks even past seasons as well. No matter what tactics/coach/players we normally have to work super hard or do something super creative to create space or scoring opportunities where as opposition teams find space in our half at will and create chances galore often. Then I imagine if we had a keeper of Izzo or Redmayne how much we'd concede each week. Scary stuff

[The Dunster]

Hmmm 1st time Ive missed a game for donx. Should i watch the replay or just let it go and pretend it didnt happen.

I think most in here are astute enough for a fair account of the game. maybe a swim then tennis instead before residing to the mens club for a cognac

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[Roundball Enthusiast]

Something i've noticed most weeks even past seasons as well. No matter what tactics/coach/players we normally have to work super hard or do something super creative to create space or scoring opportunities where as opposition teams find space in our half at will and create chances galore often. Then I imagine if we had a keeper of Izzo or Redmayne how much we'd concede each week. Scary stuff

Probably because historically every squad in the comp would be fitter, faster and better skilled than we were.

[StannyCFCJET]

Probably because historically every squad in the comp would be fitter, faster and better skilled than we were.
You forgot to add Desire to win, mentality and workrate

[Frodo]

Something i've noticed most weeks even past seasons as well. No matter what tactics/coach/players we normally have to work super hard or do something super creative to create space or scoring opportunities where as opposition teams find space in our half at will and create chances galore often. Then I imagine if we had a keeper of Izzo or Redmayne how much we'd concede each week. Scary stuff

This is exactly what a decent midfield is meant to stop from happening. We have had some of the weakest midfielders for years and it has shown time and time again that over the season we can't compete with the top 4 or even top 6.

The Spine of the team has lacked for years, not that other teams have world class mids, and we never seem to fix it. Uga looked promising but has been poor lately. The coaching staff need to work out what's going and fix it. Get him firing and put someone next to him with some talent and we might scrape into the 6.

[StannyCFCJET]

This is exactly what a decent midfield is meant to stop from happening. We have had some of the weakest midfielders for years and it has shown time and time again that over the season we can't compete with the top 4 or even top 6.

The Spine of the team has lacked for years, not that other teams have world class mids, and we never seem to fix it. Uga looked promising but has been poor lately. The coaching staff need to work out what's going and fix it. Get him firing and put someone next to him with some talent and we might scrape into the 6.

Yeah Ugar has been really poor ever since he signed the new deal. Has his head been turned by an overseas offer?? and Poijak was great last week and felt like he has been decent recently so a mystery as to why he was poor on sunday.
I think a 3 man midfield could work with Ugar at the base with browny and a really good box to box midfielder next to him, maybe browny can be the box to box and clut can play deeper in a midfield 3. Ugar normally reads the game really well and covers alot of ground, but can be poor in the tackle.

[The Dunster]

This is exactly what a decent midfield is meant to stop from happening. We have had some of the weakest midfielders for years and it has shown time and time again that over the season we can't compete with the top 4 or even top 6.

The Spine of the team has lacked for years, not that other teams have world class mids, and we never seem to fix it. Uga looked promising but has been poor lately. The coaching staff need to work out what's going and fix it. Get him firing and put someone next to him with some talent and we might scrape into the 6.

We have bits of the puzzle out injured. Once those players get back to where they were the problems will disappear. Brown makes a huge difference and compliments both Poljak and Ugar. Then you can add the man you all love to hate Hoole. Like him or not he forces opposition players into areas they don't want to be and creates space for others.

Sure we could be better and all but we lost two nil on the weekend where in the past we would have been done 7-0.

The Jets main issue is depth - that should get sorted for next season as we have the money and enough players off contract to make it happen - unlike past seasons.

[Frodo]

We have bits of the puzzle out injured. Once those players get back to where they were the problems will disappear. Brown makes a huge difference and compliments both Poljak and Ugar. Then you can add the man you all love to hate Hoole. Like him or not he forces opposition players into areas they don't want to be and creates space for others.

Sure we could be better and all but we lost two nil on the weekend where in the past we would have been done 7-0.

The Jets main issue is depth - that should get sorted for next season as we have the money and enough players off contract to make it happen - unlike past seasons.

Agree with almost all of this. Except even with all those players back we still aren't top 6 quality. We are on the cusp of it though.



I feel like we are 1 decent midfield presence away from being a massively different team. We always seem to go into the season with a just good enough midfield and it never works out for us.

[StannyCFCJET]

Agree with almost all of this. Except even with all those players back we still aren't top 6 quality. We are on the cusp of it though.



I feel like we are 1 decent midfield presence away from being a massively different team. We always seem to go into the season with a just good enough midfield and it never works out for us.

Also need a better and less injured striker then Kokko and Nordstrand. If Mclaren leaves the roar and its not overseas we need to make him a designated player and offer him whatever he wants

[MFKS]

Agree with almost all of this. Except even with all those players back we still aren't top 6 quality. We are on the cusp of it though.



I feel like we are 1 decent midfield presence away from being a massively different team. We always seem to go into the season with a just good enough midfield and it never works out for us.
I said it many times before season kicked off that we needed to spend more money and recruit in CM

But the coach thought otherwise and felt Kanta Poljak Steve u Clut Brown and Cooper were enough

I not seeing.one bloke there who walks.into another HAL midfield

You can harp on about Stevie u but the bloke is potentially a good player

Potential means **** all

He ain't getting into the City side ahead of Killkenny and Bratttton
He ain't getting into the Smurfs side ahead of O'Neil and Brillante
He ain't getting into the Tards ahead of Valeri and Bozanic
Time we signed some quality to play with him

Expecting him to develop playing with blokes like Poljak and Kanta is taking the piss

[hawk]

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