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Jeterpool
09-02-2017, 08:23 AM
A-League 16/17 Round 19 Preview - Newcastle Jets v Melbourne Victory
FIXTURE FACTS
Overall – 35 matches between the two teams.
Jets Wins - 14, Victory Wins - 13, Drawn - 8
In Newcastle – 16 matches.
Jets Wins - 8, Victory Wins - 3, Drawn - 5
In Melbourne - 19 matches
Jets Wins - 6, Victory Wins - 10, Drawn - 3
Average Home A-League Crowd – 10515
Average Away A-League Crowd - 17910
Goals in Fixture
Jets – 47, Victory - 51
In Newcastle -
Jets – 27, Victory - 19
1st Goals in Fixture
Jets – 18, Victory - 15
Cards in Fixture
Jets - 67 (62 yellow, 5 red), Victory 62 (59 yellow, 3 red)
Recent Form (A-League)
Jets - WDLWL (7 points from last 15)
Victory - WLLLW (6 points from last 15)
Leading Scorers
Jets - Andrew Nabbout (7)
Victory – Besart Berisha (9)
Last Result -
Newcastle Jets 2 (Leilei 61', Brown 76') - Melbourne Victory 4 (Berisha 30' pen, Rojas 35', Ben Khalfallah 60', Troisi 69') at Simonds Stadium, A-League, Round 13, Season 2016/17
Starting line-ups from Last Meeting in Season 2016/17 Round 13
Newcastle JetsMelbourne Victory
Jack DuncanLawrence Thomas
Jason HoffmanJason Geria
Daniel MullenAlan Baro
John KoutroumbisJames Donachie
Ivan VujicaLeigh Broxham
Wayne BrownCarl Valeri
Steven UgarkovicJames Troisi
Mateo PoljakOliver Bozanic
Andrew HooleMarco Rojas
Andrew NabboutBesart Berisha
Morten NordstrandFahid Ben Khalfallah
FIXTURE RECORDS
Biggest Win
Jets 4 (Bridge 36’, Bridge 48’, Coveny 51’, J Griffiths 73’) – Victory 0 at Hunter Stadium, Round 21, Season 2006/07, 19/01/2007.
Heaviest Defeat
Jets 0 – Victory 5 (Hernandez 41’, Thompson 50’, Allsopp 61’, Allsopp 64’, Brebner 90’), Round 3, Season 2008/09 at Telstra Dome, 29/08/2008.
Leading Scorers in fixture –
Jets - Joel Griffiths (5)
Victory - Archie Thompson (7)
2016/17 SEASON STATISTICS
NumberNameAppearancesStartsSubstitute AppearancesSubbed offMinutes PlayedGoalsAssistsYellow CardsRed - Second BookableStraight Red
2Daniel Mullen871163400100
3Jason Hoffman171612141610100
4Nigel Boogaard131301113421400
5Ben Kantarovski752346401000
6Steven Ugarkovic161513130610500
7Andrew Hoole171700153052500
8Mateo Poljak171343124710100
9Aleksandr Kokko835324600000
10Wayne Brown151414120621400
11Labinot Haliti312011600000
12Andy Brennan21119500000
12Harrison Sawyer30304700100
13Ivan Vujica1091377500100
15Andrew Nabbout151416117874300
16Nick Cowburn131121103900000
18Ma Leilei1156451311400
19Morten Nordstrand14113797331100
20Jack Duncan181800162000000
22Lachlan Jackson871160700100
23Devante Clut1679667012000
24Kristian Brymora1010600000
26Iain Fyfe330220500100
28John Koutroumbis1587179301400
COACHING
Coaches Head to Head – 2 matches
Mark Jones - 0 wins, Kevin Muscat - 2 wins, 0 drawn
Newcastle Jets A-League Coaching Records –
Mark Jones - 2 matches (0 wins, 0 drawn, 2 losses = 0% win ratio)
Scott Miller - 3 matches (1 win, 1 draw, 1 loss = 33% win ratio)
Phil Stubbins - 3 matches (1 win, 1 draw, 1 loss = 33% win ratio)
Gary Van Egmond – 16 matches (10 wins, 2 drawn and 4 losses = 63% win ratio)
Richard Money – 3 matches (1 win, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 33% win ratio)
Branko Culina – 6 matches (1 wins, 2 drawn, 3 losses = 17% win ratio)
Nick Theodorakopoulos – 1 match (0 wins, 0 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Craig Deans – 1 match (0 wins, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Clayton Zane – 1 match (0 wins, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Melbourne Victory Coach Record – Kevin Muscat 42% win ratio (5 wins, 4 drawn, 3 losses)
TALKING POINTS:
General
The Jets have defeated Victory just once in the last 10 fixtures between these teams.
The Jets have never lost 3 consecutive matches to the Victory.
Victory have just one A-League win in Newcastle since 2010.
While the Jets have scored the first goal at home against Victory in 5 of the last 6 matches.
The Jets have conceded 4 penalties in their last 6 matches.
Players
Marcos Rojas has scored 6 goals in his last 4 appearances against Newcastle.
Andrew Hoole will equal Taylor Regan's number (68) of A-Leauge appearances for the Jets this weekend. They are 15th in overall A-League appearances for the club.
Wayne Brown, John Koutroumbis, Ma Leilei and Nigel Boogaard are all one yellow card from a one week suspension.
Jason Hoffman scored his first goal for the club since Round 1 of season 2009/10.
Newcastle Jets
All 3 penalties awarded to the Jets in this fixture have been awarded at home.
Just under two-thirds of the Jets goals in this fixure come in the second half.
The current run of 16 matches is a Jets record for the the most consecutive matches in one season without a clean sheet. The Jets overall record is 18 matches.
Tommyjet
09-02-2017, 10:17 AM
Craig Deans – 1 match (0 wins, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Clayton Zane – 1 match (0 wins, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
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Jeterpool
09-02-2017, 10:19 AM
Craig Deans – 1 match (0 wins, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Clayton Zane – 1 match (0 wins, 1 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Ah, yep. Ta.
plague
09-02-2017, 12:21 PM
Plague Jnr just got himself a Victory shirt.
Legit, he loves Berisha.
Will be wearing it to the game Saturday.
Hunter403
09-02-2017, 12:25 PM
Foxtel insisting that the game is moved to a neutral location with better weather conditions. Apparently they have found a ground in some town called Melbourne.
The Dunster
09-02-2017, 12:56 PM
While I'm not a fan I think Rojas is having by far the greatest season of his career. If the Jets can nullify him they win the game. If not, then it's going to be very difficult.
More than ever the 17:35 start time is insane considering the weather forecast. They really need to make it an 8pm game.
Grimario
09-02-2017, 01:37 PM
Game has apparently been moved to 8pm kick off on Monday.
Game has apparently been moved to 8pm kick off on Monday.
Was just confirmed on facey..
Roundball Enthusiast
09-02-2017, 02:08 PM
A total of 2 Saturday (day) games for Newy for the season, and 2(?) Friday night games. Rest are Sundays. FFA don't give a **** about Newy or the fans.
Lets see if that changes next season, I presume not.
Jeterpool
09-02-2017, 02:17 PM
I guess a plus is it gives a few days for the ground staff to fix any pitch damage caused by the game on Friday night.
monz6
09-02-2017, 02:49 PM
A total of 2 Saturday (day) games for Newy for the season, and 2(?) Friday night games. Rest are Sundays. FFA don't give a **** about Newy or the fans.
Lets see if that changes next season, I presume not.
Options: a) constantly whinge about our game slots and cry that the ffa don't like us, b)our team could start making finals and playing decent football
One of them will get us what we want. And it's not the first one
monz6
09-02-2017, 02:51 PM
I don't reckon they'd give us one thought when making the draw and I'm 100% ok with that
Jeterpool
09-02-2017, 02:54 PM
Options: a) constantly whinge about our game slots and cry that the ffa don't like us, b)our team could start making finals and playing decent football
One of them will get us what we want. And it's not the first one
This.
We are starting to play a more attractive brand of football and with Foxtel fapping over Andrew Nabbout perhaps that's something that will work in our favour of gaining a more favourable slot. Some big name recruits will also help the cause.
Grimario
09-02-2017, 03:00 PM
This.
We are starting to play a more attractive brand of football and with Foxtel fapping over Andrew Nabbout perhaps that's something that will work in our favour of gaining a more favourable slot. Some big name recruits will also help the cause.
If FFA are fapping over Nabbout, he's nailed on to switch to a big club at the end of the season. Off to B-tier Europe for 6 months of failure before coming back to Sydney in January.
Seriously the FFA postponed the game based on a weather forecast for 2 days away??
FMD
Amateur hour all round
Seriously the FFA postponed the game based on a weather forecast for 2 days away??
FMD
Amateur hour all round
And if they didn't do it, you'd be blowing up on sat about how fvcken hot it is and how unbearable it is for the fans and players.. :gent:
Can't win..
Jeterpool
09-02-2017, 03:29 PM
Here's one I didn't add.
If Nabbout scores this week, he becomes the first Jets player to score in 5 consecutive "home" matches. Only 3 players have scored in 4 consecutive home games - Griff, Taggz and Nabbout.
Jeterpool
09-02-2017, 03:30 PM
And if they didn't do it, you'd be blowing up on sat about how fvcken hot it is and how unbearable it is for the fans and players.. :gent:
Can't win..
Bon - clear your inbox. trying to message you
Bon - clear your inbox. trying to message you
I had the same issue with hawk a few months ago.. Still havent been able to get through to him from his inbox cluttered with supermodels phone numbers..
Sorted... :sup:
plague
09-02-2017, 04:18 PM
Seriously the FFA postponed the game based on a weather forecast for 2 days away??
thats because the weather forecasts are always accurate. May as well call it now when you have 100% knowledge of whats going to happen.
Do you even Nat Jeffrey bro?
Macca
09-02-2017, 04:29 PM
From a couple days away I reckon they are usually pretty good. I wonder if anyone's ever done an accuracy review on that sorta shit. Degree of confidence on the forecasts based on time out from the prediction. I guess you would also have to decide what a "correct" or "incorrect" forecast is. If they predict 44 and its 40 etc
From a couple days away I reckon they are usually pretty good. I wonder if anyone's ever done an accuracy review on that sorta shit. Degree of confidence on the forecasts based on time out from the prediction. I guess you would also have to decide what a "correct" or "incorrect" forecast is. If they predict 44 and its 40 etc
Yep Meteorology is an exact fool proof science
Right up there with Tarot Card reading
Yesterday they said it was going to rain
They were not quite right
But based on their best guess that it is going to be hot this weekend they have proceeded to scare the be Jesus out of the population
Now the FFA based on these fortune telling sorcerers have decided to postpone the game based on their opinion of what may happen
Instead of actually dealing with the elements on the day and making decisions accordingly
What happens if it only 35c at 5:30 on Saturday? ?
We going to call all games off now if these weather sorcerers are thinking it not ideal? ?
When they predict rain we going to call it off just in case pitch is waterlogged in 2 days time??
This is a ridiculous precedent being set
Roundball Enthusiast
09-02-2017, 04:45 PM
Yep Meteorology is an exact fool proof science
Right up there with Tarot Card reading
Yesterday they said it was going to rain
They were not quite right
But based on their best guess that it is going to be hot this weekend they have proceeded to scare the be Jesus out of the population
Now the FFA based on these fortune telling sorcerers have decided to postpone the game based on their opinion of what may happen
Instead of actually dealing with the elements on the day and making decisions accordingly
What happens if it only 35c at 5:30 on Saturday? ?
We going to call all games off now if these weather sorcerers are thinking it not ideal? ?
When they predict rain we going to call it off just in case pitch is waterlogged in 2 days time??
This is a ridiculous precedent being set
Just FYI, from this decision, Newcastle Football has cancelled ALL Trial games for Local football, due to weather. :)
Macca
09-02-2017, 04:47 PM
Actually its probabilistic and mathematically based unlike tarot cards.
So when is too early to call it? If its 45 degrees half an hour before kick off do you wait and see if it rains and cools things down?
I think their level of confidence that it is going to be really really hot this weekend is very high and so they have made plans accordingly. People probably appreciate the notice that the game has been moved rather than putting out a notice mid morning on the day that many people may not get in time, let alone those who made their weekend's plans around it.
Just FYI, from this decision, Newcastle Football has cancelled ALL Trial games for Local football, due to weather. :)
The clowns running local football I expect it from
They call games off after no rain in 2/3 days every couple of weeks in winter
This is a so called professional league
You don't see EPL games called off 2 days early based on possible snow rain etc
They actually wait to the day in question and make a decision based on the prevailing conditions
Roundball Enthusiast
09-02-2017, 04:53 PM
Yep Meteorology is an exact fool proof science
Right up there with Tarot Card reading
Yesterday they said it was going to rain
They were not quite right
Do you think they consult Jesus for their predictions? Or science sorcerers?
They actually wait to the day in question and make a decision based on the prevailing conditions
Didn't Noah start knocking his ark together based on a weather prediction a week in advance?
borat
09-02-2017, 05:17 PM
Do you think they consult Jesus for their predictions? Or science sorcerers?
Its all rigged from NASA
borat
09-02-2017, 05:19 PM
The clowns running local football I expect it from
They call games off after no rain in 2/3 days every couple of weeks in winter
This is a so called professional league
You don't see EPL games called off 2 days early based on possible snow rain etc
They actually wait to the day in question and make a decision based on the prevailing conditions
FMD........comparing snow in the EPL to the extreme heat and distances travelled in the HAL........that will do me. Its all just a big conspiracy eh
borat
09-02-2017, 05:20 PM
Actually its probabilistic and mathematically based unlike tarot cards.
So when is too early to call it? If its 45 degrees half an hour before kick off do you wait and see if it rains and cools things down?
I think their level of confidence that it is going to be really really hot this weekend is very high and so they have made plans accordingly. People probably appreciate the notice that the game has been moved rather than putting out a notice mid morning on the day that many people may not get in time, let alone those who made their weekend's plans around it.
Stop talking sense Macca. This postponement is going to inconvenience the most important person there is, and therefore is not on.
plague
09-02-2017, 05:44 PM
Didn't Noah start knocking his ark together based on a weather prediction a week in advance?
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plague
09-02-2017, 05:46 PM
Yep Meteorology is an exact fool proof science
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turbojetfireV8
09-02-2017, 10:04 PM
hoping it's nice and cool Mon evening so the Kokk can get stuck in to Victree...
The Dunster
10-02-2017, 02:04 AM
The FFA only rescheduled the game because Melb. Victory are involved. If it was Jets v Mariners they would have forced us to play it on Saturday in 45 degree heat.
baldrick
10-02-2017, 08:27 AM
Yep Meteorology is an exact fool proof science
Right up there with Tarot Card reading
Yesterday they said it was going to rain
They were not quite right
But based on their best guess that it is going to be hot this weekend they have proceeded to scare the be Jesus out of the population
Now the FFA based on these fortune telling sorcerers have decided to postpone the game based on their opinion of what may happen
Instead of actually dealing with the elements on the day and making decisions accordingly
What happens if it only 35c at 5:30 on Saturday? ?
We going to call all games off now if these weather sorcerers are thinking it not ideal? ?
When they predict rain we going to call it off just in case pitch is waterlogged in 2 days time??
This is a ridiculous precedent being set
Fvck me, we've been whinging for years that afternoon games in the middle if summer suck the big ones, even if extreme heat hasn't been predicted.
It's going to be hot as hell on the weekend, does it matter what the actual temperature is ?
We finally get a break & get an unexpected night game !
Jeterpool
10-02-2017, 08:27 AM
The FFA only rescheduled the game because Melb. Victory are involved. If it was Jets v Mariners they would have forced us to play it on Saturday in 45 degree heat.
That's a very cynical view. I think they would have rescheduled the game regardless the opposition. If the next game was in Sydney, there could have been the opportunity to move both games because both cities would be affected by the weather. Unfortunately it's not.
It's about player and spectator welfare. They've given everyone 2 days warning. It's the sensible decision even though it's a decision that will cost them money.
Roundball Enthusiast
10-02-2017, 09:28 AM
That's a very cynical view. I think they would have rescheduled the game regardless the opposition. If the next game was in Sydney, there could have been the opportunity to move both games because both cities would be affected by the weather. Unfortunately it's not.
It's about player and spectator welfare. They've given everyone 2 days warning. It's the sensible decision even though it's a decision that will cost them money.
Is there that much difference between 39 and 41-42? Adelaide have played in 39 degrees two weeks in a row.
Fvck me, we've been whinging for years that afternoon games in the middle if summer suck the big ones, even if extreme heat hasn't been predicted.
It's going to be hot as hell on the weekend, does it matter what the actual temperature is ?
We finally get a break & get an unexpected night game !
If it Saturday and it hot as he'll and they call it off then fine
When they call the thing off 2 days out based on predictions from an industry that ain't 100% reliable they are taking the piss
What we do next week V Adelaide consult fortune cookies as to whether we play the game??
Jeterpool
10-02-2017, 09:39 AM
Is there that much difference between 39 and 41-42? Adelaide have played in 39 degrees two weeks in a row.
I don't think so. It feels the same mowing, walking to car or mailbox so I can't even begin to imagine how it would be on a football pitch. Remember the FFA were blasted about allowing the Adelaide match to go ahead with mixed reports of players and spectators suffering heat-related illness. I can understand they're a bit gun shy because of this and have decided to act early.
I actually think it will help us playing at night.
Roundball Enthusiast
10-02-2017, 09:42 AM
I don't think so. It feels the same mowing, walking to car or mailbox so I can't even begin to imagine how it would be on a football pitch. Remember the FFA were blasted about allowing the Adelaide match to go ahead with mixed reports of players and spectators suffering heat-related illness. I can understand they're a bit gun shy because of this and have decided to act early.
I actually think it will help us playing at night.
I agree its fkn hot and may well be a result of the past two weeks at Adelaide.
Glad they're acting early for the players and spectators, just hope it becomes a consistent ruling in the future. Anything over ~37 gets called off. Just like local football is now.
Ultimately, whether its local or professional football players health is at risk. End of the day its a game. No ones life is worth a game going ahead.
Grimario
10-02-2017, 09:49 AM
Almost definitely a response to issues at the Adelaide game... but I would argue that it's far far worse playing in 42 with humidity in Newcastle than 39 and dry in Adelaide.
borat
10-02-2017, 10:44 AM
This isn't a weather prediction for a storm in 2 days that may or may not come true. This is 3 days of extreme heat that will greatly effect the health of players and spectators if this game is played.
Calling it off early was absolutely the right thing to do so teams and spectators can plan accordingly. Rather than sitting around waiting for the inevitable.
And regardless if it's 42 degrees or 39 degrees, the quality of the football will be poor if it's played.
Jetmaster
10-02-2017, 11:24 AM
If it Saturday and it hot as he'll and they call it off then fine
When they call the thing off 2 days out based on predictions from an industry that ain't 100% reliable they are taking the piss
What we do next week V Adelaide consult fortune cookies as to whether we play the game??
Stop being "all about me" for once Membah.
If it was a one off 40 plus, I might agree, but we are talking 3 days in a row over 40 away from the coast.
Teams need to travel, train and prepare in that heat - not just play the game.
Spectators are affected by the heat and I, for instance, have just been told to activate my bushfire action plan and stay home - I would miss my first game of the season.
Need to think about alot aside from the "accuracy" of weather reports.
How can anyone be pissed at calling off a game at when its feels like 900deg, except if you have spent big $ or travelled big K's. Get on the piss somewhere else
btw, SD is having a pool party instead, get in!!
Roundball Enthusiast
10-02-2017, 03:11 PM
Sunday now forecast for 34 degree and raining. How bout dah
Sunday now forecast for 34 degree and raining. How bout dah
Same bunch of meteorological sorcerers were claiming 45C this Sunday at the start of the week
Yep
They know what they doing
Same bunch of meteorological sorcerers were claiming 45C this Sunday at the start of the week
Yep
They know what they doing
Science.. Who can trust it?... :gent:
Macca
10-02-2017, 03:27 PM
:popcorn: :rof:
Same bunch of meteorological sorcerers were claiming 45C this Sunday at the start of the week
Yep
They know what they doing
Dunno where roundball is getting his info from.
BOM still has 35 and 5% chance of showers for Nobbys and 41 with 5% chance of showers at Wallsend.
Also - are there any sorceresses or only sorcerers?
Roundball Enthusiast
10-02-2017, 04:53 PM
Dunno where roundball is getting his info from.
BOM still has 35 and 5% chance of showers for Nobbys and 41 with 5% chance of showers at Wallsend.
Weather.com
Weatherzone.com.au
Jesus Christ
Sorcerers
My left nipple feels sore
plague
10-02-2017, 06:10 PM
Also - are there any sorceresses or only sorcerers?
I dated a chick once who had very pale skin and lots of black eye makeup so yeah pretty much they exist.
It now 7:45 pm Friday night
It still warm outside after a 40+C day
It ain't life threatening ****ing hot for fans or players
It no ****ing worse than I have experienced countless times before
FFS Socceroo last WCQ was played in worse conditions than this
The FFA need to grow a pair and tell Foxtel to **** off
The game should have been moved to an 8pm Saturday night KO
Not moved 2 ****ing ng days
Don't think for an second the Monday 8pm Bullshit is for people's welfare
Foxtel ratings are more important than anything
baldrick
10-02-2017, 09:33 PM
It now 7:45 pm Friday night
It still warm outside after a 40+C day
It ain't life threatening ****ing hot for fans or players
It no ****ing worse than I have experienced countless times before
FFS Socceroo last WCQ was played in worse conditions than this
The FFA need to grow a pair and tell Foxtel to **** off
The game should have been moved to an 8pm Saturday night KO
Not moved 2 ****ing ng days
Don't think for an second the Monday 8pm Bullshit is for people's welfare
Foxtel ratings are more important than anything
FFS the game would have kicked off at 530 !
Wilso8948
10-02-2017, 09:36 PM
It now 7:45 pm Friday night
It still warm outside after a 40+C day
It ain't life threatening ****ing hot for fans or players
It no ****ing worse than I have experienced countless times before
FFS Socceroo last WCQ was played in worse conditions than this
The FFA need to grow a pair and tell Foxtel to **** off
The game should have been moved to an 8pm Saturday night KO
Not moved 2 ****ing ng days
Don't think for an second the Monday 8pm Bullshit is for people's welfare
Foxtel ratings are more important than anything
Time to shut up now mate and realise you're just another fat **** on the couch. Not a professional athlete.
goaliepersempre
10-02-2017, 09:46 PM
It all goes full circle.. to the point that all games.. should be scheduled..
830 on a Friday night and 8pm on a Saturday night. Done and dusted... (give or take for special events etc)
Games played simultaneously....
Will never happen until the FFA have the balls to stand up to Fox and say that those 2 slots produces the best football and let the consumer decide which game they want to watch.....
plague
10-02-2017, 10:30 PM
hahahahhaahhahaha
because all you blokes are standing up to the man banking your cheque every week.
hahahahahahaha
good one.
The Dunster
10-02-2017, 10:39 PM
hahahahhaahhahaha
because all you blokes are standing up to the man banking your cheque every week.
hahahahahahaha
good one.
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plague
10-02-2017, 10:51 PM
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smartest athlete in Australia right there Dunster.
if only the uni boffins taught the next generation how to be so smart.
Hopefully Trump can so it out.
halo se7en
10-02-2017, 10:59 PM
It now 7:45 pm Friday night
It still warm outside after a 40+C day
It ain't life threatening ****ing hot for fans or players
It no ****ing worse than I have experienced countless times before
FFS Socceroo last WCQ was played in worse conditions than this
The FFA need to grow a pair and tell Foxtel to **** off
The game should have been moved to an 8pm Saturday night KO
Not moved 2 ****ing ng days
Don't think for an second the Monday 8pm Bullshit is for people's welfare
Foxtel ratings are more important than anything
The novelty of your angry schtick seems to have worn thin pretty quick, which happens when people suddenly realise you talk utter rubbish in every single post. Maybe throw a few more FFS's in and you'll get some fans back.
The Dunster
10-02-2017, 11:07 PM
smartest athlete in Australia right there Dunster.
if only the uni boffins taught the next generation how to be so smart.
Hopefully Trump can so it out.
He'd be the 2nd best sports contract negotiator in Australia as well. Daniel Mullen's manager being number 1 of course.
plague
10-02-2017, 11:49 PM
He'd be the 2nd best sports contract negotiator in Australia as well. Daniel Mullen's manager being number 1 of course.
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Grimario
11-02-2017, 09:59 AM
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Why do you have a gif of Josh Brillante sitting on a toilet?
Jeterpool
11-02-2017, 12:10 PM
Who is volunteering to go to MJ Stadium and get a photo of the temperature at 5:35?
Who is volunteering to go to MJ Stadium and get a photo of the temperature at 5:35?
me...If there are 10 schooner vouchers at the gate. recuperation is bitch
The Dunster
11-02-2017, 03:37 PM
me...If there are 10 schooner vouchers at the gate. recuperation is bitch
And that kids is how you become a billionaire.
borat
11-02-2017, 05:17 PM
Membah would already be there running laps around the stadium in the cool conditions surely
redwah
11-02-2017, 06:23 PM
The members not on the foz near kickoff time....must be out running laps of nesbitt oval or something......
Still worse conditions in Bangkok when we played Thailand in November than outside in Newy right now
Still worse conditions in Cuiaba when we played Chile in the WC than outside in Newy right now
Give it another 2 hours and the farce of not pushing the kick off back will be exposed.
This ain't life threatening conditions outside right now.
Jetmaster
11-02-2017, 09:00 PM
This is weather that causes spontaneous combustion Membah....hope you make it through the night!
Jetmaster
11-02-2017, 09:03 PM
8pm....and its 37 degreez at my place....and I've had the warning text from RFS...safe being home. Good call FFA.
borat
11-02-2017, 10:54 PM
8pm....and its 37 degreez at my place....and I've had the warning text from RFS...safe being home. Good call FFA.
It's brutal, at 8pm it was brutal. Any game played today would have been a horrible game spectate and the quality of football would have been terrible
halo se7en
12-02-2017, 12:38 AM
8pm....and its 37 degreez at my place....and I've had the warning text from RFS...safe being home. Good call FFA.
Yeah but apparently Thailand is hot so..... FFS
Yeah but apparently Thailand is hot so..... FFS
If you that concerned with the weather in Thailand I will let you know what it like when i get there in 12 or so hours time
Calm down FFS
***
WolfMan
12-02-2017, 08:52 AM
If you that concerned with the weather in Thailand I will let you know what it like when i get there in 12 or so hours time
Calm down FFS
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The real motive behind pushing for a later Saturday kickoff is revealed. Sorry you won't be at the match, but I'm sure you won't be thinking about it cum Monday night, Member
The real motive behind pushing for a later Saturday kickoff is revealed. Sorry you won't be at the match, but I'm sure you won't be thinking about it cum Monday night, Member
Yeah i will
I going to have to eat into my busy schedule of bar hopping jumping in the pool and heading to the beach to track down a TV just so these ****s can upset me
8pm....and its 37 degreez at my place....and I've had the warning text from RFS...safe being home. Good call FFA.
Yeah i had a message saying I am in a very high risk zone for bushfire (which is true) and told me to consider vacating the house overnight.
With those kind of warnings it definitely is not business as usual.
GazFish35
12-02-2017, 12:50 PM
Yeah i will
I going to have to eat into my busy schedule of bar hopping jumping in the pool and heading to the beach to track down a TV just so these ****s can upset me
Track down an TV?
No the real motive of your trip is revealed!
plague
12-02-2017, 01:25 PM
Track down an TV?
No the real motive of your trip is revealed!
This is brilliant.
We done to you sir.
q-money
12-02-2017, 01:26 PM
ffs :rof:
ATTENTION
HALO
Weather report live from Bangkok
31C sunny with a little smog
baldrick
12-02-2017, 09:02 PM
ATTENTION
HALO
Weather report live from Bangkok
31C sunny with a little smog
So about 16 degrees cooler than here then.
halo se7en
12-02-2017, 10:35 PM
ATTENTION
HALO
Weather report live from Bangkok
31C sunny with a little smog
Good stuff. What's your point?
Roundball Enthusiast
12-02-2017, 11:58 PM
Jets now 1 point off 9th, taking on the 2nd place team. How quickly times can change. Hey Member, where is your god Jones now?
Can't wait for him to be sacked when we finish below the NPL Mariners.
turbojetfireV8
13-02-2017, 07:31 AM
Muscat reckons we have no fans ;) http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4462542/muscat-says-newcastle-stadium-lacks-atmosphere/?cs=306
Jones doesn't want Nabbout to play against the Tards like Hoole does when we play Shitney... http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4462262/jones-wants-nabbout-calm-against-old-club/?cs=2439
Jetmaster
13-02-2017, 09:14 AM
I don't think its just the fans - the stadium at the moment has no soul or atmosphere no matter what is on or how many people are there.
plague
13-02-2017, 10:38 AM
I don't think its just the fans - the stadium at the moment has no soul or atmosphere no matter what is on or how many people are there.
wait til the Knights get sent to Ipswich and the stadium becomes a crumbling, unloved relic.
will be tops.
Couscous
13-02-2017, 01:30 PM
Looking forward to this. I feel in my waters that Nabbout, Sugar and Brown will destroy Victory.
Jeterpool
13-02-2017, 01:34 PM
Looking forward to this. I feel in my waters that Nabbout, Sugar and Brown will destroy Victory.
Hope your waters are right :rof:
Nou Camp
13-02-2017, 01:54 PM
is it just me or does anyone else think brown hasn't done much since about round 2
Roundball Enthusiast
13-02-2017, 02:05 PM
is it just me or does anyone else think brown hasn't done much since about round 2
Round 2 probably a bit harsh.
But he hasn't done anything fantastic for a long time. I cant remember him standing out in a game for a long time.
He's a pretty good work horse though. Good engines etc.
Jeterpool
13-02-2017, 02:07 PM
is it just me or does anyone else think brown hasn't done much since about round 2
He started really well, there's no doubt. He was pretty good against Adelaide, when we won at the death as well. He's certainly been shifted around to accomodate absences in the team too.
I think he will start this week and it will be interesting the see if the direct counter attacking play and vision provided by Leilei is reproduced with him in the team.
monz6
13-02-2017, 02:40 PM
Jets now 1 point off 9th, taking on the 2nd place team. How quickly times can change. Hey Member, where is your god Jones now?
Can't wait for him to be sacked when we finish below the NPL Mariners.
And 1 off 6th. Depends what type of person you are.
Also, Seeking him out with some nothing remark while he's in the promise land? Sounds like he's your God!
borat
13-02-2017, 03:00 PM
This will be a tough period for Jones where we will get to see exactly what he is made of. Lose tonight and we then have to back up in 4 days against an Adelaide who will be stinging. Then 2 fixtures against the Mariners who are flying and Sydney still to come.
The Dunster
13-02-2017, 03:04 PM
This will be a tough period for Jones where we will get to see exactly what he is made of. Lose tonight and we then have to back up in 4 days against an Adelaide who will be stinging. Then 2 fixtures against the Mariners who are flying and Sydney still to come.
The Jets are currently in 7th place playing the team that's coming 2nd and you are implying that Jones is a failure if the Jets don't win ? Ridiculous.
Then compare the budgets of the two teams - even more ridiculous.
Then look at Perth who smashed Adelaide 5-0 and yet only beat the Jets 3-2 and the Jets also had a chance or two to win the match and Adelaide didn't.
There is absolutely no logic to your posts these days. What happened ?
Jeterpool
13-02-2017, 03:20 PM
This will be a tough period for Jones where we will get to see exactly what he is made of. Lose tonight and we then have to back up in 4 days against an Adelaide who will be stinging. Then 2 fixtures against the Mariners who are flying and Sydney still to come.
Jets lose tonight and we are in the same run of form over the last 5 games as Adelaide. It certainly doesn't feel like it.
borat
13-02-2017, 04:34 PM
The Jets are currently in 7th place playing the team that's coming 2nd and you are implying that Jones is a failure if the Jets don't win ? Ridiculous.
Then compare the budgets of the two teams - even more ridiculous.
Then look at Perth who smashed Adelaide 5-0 and yet only beat the Jets 3-2 and the Jets also had a chance or two to win the match and Adelaide didn't.
There is absolutely no logic to your posts these days. What happened ?
Not sure if your eyesight is going but where did I say anything like that? I said its a tough period and pointed out the fixtures we have coming up.
No logic to my posts.........are you off your meds?
borat
13-02-2017, 04:51 PM
Jets lose tonight and we are in the same run of form over the last 5 games as Adelaide. It certainly doesn't feel like it.
In the final 8 games we play the three teams below us 4 times, and 2 of the 3 teams directly above us. That should be a magic draw with everything to play for.
The Dunster
13-02-2017, 05:08 PM
Not sure if your eyesight is going but where did I say anything like that? I said its a tough period and pointed out the fixtures we have coming up.
No logic to my posts.........are you off your meds?
You are implying that Jones needs to beat Melbourne or he's not good enough.
Based on form I think the Jets are a chance against Melbourne but if the defence falls asleep they could get punished. A draw would be a good result.
Adelaide the Jets should be expected to beat, and they should also be able to roll the Mariners as well.
Hence, I'll be blowing up deluxe if we fail to win against Adelaide and the Mariners. The Melbourne game, I'm not expecting to win.
Sydney - We have no chance against.
Couscous
13-02-2017, 05:28 PM
He is praised often and he is loved deeply among Victory fans, but I think Broxham at left back is their weakness. He's had a few poor games there, but no one (Melbourne fans, commentators) seems to be pointing this out.
I hope Jets staff are aware of this, and analyse opponents' games. Sometimes I wonder, though.
Grimario
13-02-2017, 05:32 PM
You are implying that Jones needs to beat Melbourne or he's not good enough.
Based on form I think the Jets are a chance against Melbourne but if the defence falls asleep they could get punished. A draw would be a good result.
Adelaide the Jets should be expected to beat, and they should also be able to roll the Mariners as well.
Hence, I'll be blowing up deluxe if we fail to win against Adelaide and the Mariners. The Melbourne game, I'm not expecting to win.
Sydney - We have no chance against.
I think you are reading the wrong post if you came to that conclusion...
I read it as "this is a period for Jones to show us how good a coach he is/can be. He has a game against 2nd place Melbourne, a game 4 days later against Adelaide who are reeling from a massive loss and then two derby fixtures against the scum and a trip to Sydney". How does that go close to implying "If he doesn't win tonight, he's not good enough"?
borat
13-02-2017, 05:33 PM
You are implying that Jones needs to beat Melbourne or he's not good enough.
Based on form I think the Jets are a chance against Melbourne but if the defence falls asleep they could get punished. A draw would be a good result.
Adelaide the Jets should be expected to beat, and they should also be able to roll the Mariners as well.
Hence, I'll be blowing up deluxe if we fail to win against Adelaide and the Mariners. The Melbourne game, I'm not expecting to win.
Sydney - We have no chance against.
Seriously now you are just making up what you want to hear now. Feel free to correct anything I said that was inaccurate, but don't make out that I am implying anything. I didn't even mention MV other than pointing out that our upcoming games will be tough ifwe lose. Which I described it as a tough period coming up. You have the wrong end of the stick here.
I don't think anyone is expecting the Jets to win. But if they lose then Jones has what should be a relatively easier draw than our opposition. 4 out of 7 games against the bottom 3. There should be no excuses.
[edit - should read 4 out of 8 games against the bottom 3]
StannyCFCJET
13-02-2017, 07:34 PM
Kokko in for Clut. Cant argue with that Clut has done nothing for weeks
rhysd
13-02-2017, 08:13 PM
This will be a tough period for Jones where we will get to see exactly what he is made of. Lose tonight and we then have to back up in 4 days against an Adelaide who will be stinging. Then 2 fixtures against the Mariners who are flying and Sydney still to come.
Who'd the mariners beat??
It's not like they smoked perth, Sydney or Melbourne
We beat city Perth and roar - yet we are still no good
halo se7en
13-02-2017, 08:17 PM
Who'd the mariners beat??
It's not like they smoked perth, Sydney or Melbourne
We beat city Perth and roar - yet we are still no good
They did beat Perth, twice, and they've beaten WSW, a team we've failed to beat in two attempts so far.
belchardo
13-02-2017, 09:00 PM
Mullen at LB again...
Edit: mullen at rb!
furns
13-02-2017, 09:20 PM
Fox mentioned about five times so far that Leilei is probably going to get snapped up by Liaoning
High time the betting companies had a market on the amount of times Raheem Sterling hits the ground each game
plague
13-02-2017, 09:32 PM
Hoole has been fantastic again tonight.
plague
13-02-2017, 09:45 PM
now im not going to put words in his mouth because im sure my good man The Member is surrounded by his beloved TV's at the moment, but Poljak is playing the type of game tonight that the Member wants our centre mids to play (except for a few poor final balls).
but this is not him sticking a foot in and running aimlessly. he's controlling things, and i think thats what the Member was getting at.
belchardo
13-02-2017, 09:47 PM
We're playing well, but the connection between mid and forward is still lacking. We haven't really looked like we'll score.
I understand we not winning but that was good shit from us the first half
Poljak and Stevie U are controlling the midfield
As a result our back 4 are pretty comfortable so much so Boogaard has a ****ing gypsy in his back pocket
The football has the right intent and we are having a ****ing go.
The only thing holding us back is a bit of class in the front half
Even with the squad shortcomings we have this is showing Jones has us on the right track
Where we struggling at the moment is belief in winning
That will come in time as our club gets used to not being shit all the time
Onwards and upwards and bring on the second half
More of the same with a few goals for the blokes in blue and gold tonight
now im not going to put words in his mouth because im sure my good man The Member is surrounded by his beloved TV's at the moment, but Poljak is playing the type of game tonight that the Member wants our centre mids to play (except for a few poor final balls).
but this is not him sticking a foot in and running aimlessly. he's controlling things, and i think thats what the Member was getting at.
Word
GazFish35
13-02-2017, 10:00 PM
I'm surprised Cockerill is able to speak so clearly with rojas's dick in his mouth
plague
13-02-2017, 10:02 PM
The Hoff has been good tonight.
Late pen/cock up gonna kill us again though. you know its coming
steve136
13-02-2017, 10:05 PM
Commentators going through all the stages of grief because Victory aren't winning by 5 yet.
Hoole's been good. Tame effort there though.
belchardo
13-02-2017, 10:10 PM
We're certainly creating the chances now, but with all of the near misses, I can just see besart popping up in the 95th minute to convert their one real chance and winning the game.
steve136
13-02-2017, 10:12 PM
If only Leilei was half as good at dead-ball situations as everyone keeps telling us he is.
plague
13-02-2017, 10:16 PM
If only Leilei was half as good at dead-ball situations as everyone keeps telling us he is.
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--w-oLisDW--/kvli6rolbakshzzw6vvu.gif
belchardo
13-02-2017, 10:20 PM
Wait, which one are you plague?
westjet
13-02-2017, 10:28 PM
Jones has done some good things with the team this year but his lack of use of the bench still baffles me.
steve136
13-02-2017, 10:29 PM
Jones has done some good things with the team this year but his lack of use of the bench still baffles me.
Was just about to say the same thing. One of those games where not using our bench is clearly hurting us late in the game.
Grimario
13-02-2017, 10:46 PM
Played well... how the **** did we not score about 20 though?
weston
13-02-2017, 10:46 PM
Played well. Final ball and execution was lacking however.
Did Berisha play?
steve136
13-02-2017, 10:46 PM
Clean sheet against the victory? I'll take it.
belchardo
13-02-2017, 10:47 PM
Fair result.
Real positive was pretty much keeping rojas and berisha out of the box all night.
****ing frustrating
Good feeling to have
We lost the plot the last 30mins though
Same shit not working
Too many Hollywood balls
weston
13-02-2017, 10:49 PM
Thanks to everyone who went to the game for creating a shit atmosphere that Victory couldn't play in.
The Dunster
13-02-2017, 10:53 PM
I would have taken the draw at the start of the night. However, I think the Jets dominated / controlled enough of the game to the point where they deserved more than the draw.
StannyCFCJET
13-02-2017, 11:16 PM
Poijak Nordstrand Ma Lei Lei Nabbout and Hoole all looked gassed by 65th min. Does Jones make changes nope
Fox mentioned about five times so far that Leilei is probably going to get snapped up by Liaoning
good. hurry up then. He's ok but we are ready for better
Plus cue ball Muscat off his head about a non existed pen.
halo se7en
13-02-2017, 11:49 PM
They were great the first hour, but I'm surprised Clut didn't get a run ahead of Kokko, I thought he'd be perfect particularly in the last 20. It was clear from that point on we weren't going to score & I don't see how Kokko was going to change anything.
Jetmaster
14-02-2017, 12:03 AM
Poijak Nordstrand Ma Lei Lei Nabbout and Hoole all looked gassed by 65th min. Does Jones make changes nope
This....I think there was a period where we had a string of chances. Then it looked like we had shot our bolt by the 70th.
plague
14-02-2017, 12:07 AM
They should be happy with the performance but disappointed with the result.
Should have won.
This....I think there was a period where we had a string of chances. Then it looked like we had shot our bolt by the 70th.
As soon as Muscat put Broxham on an hooked the Gypo in midfield the Tards got to grips with the game
At this point Poljak and Stevie U lost control and we let the Victree just bypass our midfield and play an end to end game
Would love to see Stevie U played as a 10.
He looks so much better at playing forward all the time
Think Jones missed a trick or two with his subs.
Not one of them made much of a difference to what was going on out there
In fact Kokko coming on started causing an increase in hoof balls into the box
Ohh well onwards and upwards
Frodo
14-02-2017, 08:33 AM
As soon as Muscat put Broxham on an hooked the Gypo in midfield the Tards got to grips with the game
At this point Poljak and Stevie U lost control and we let the Victree just bypass our midfield and play an end to end game
Would love to see Stevie U played as a 10.
He looks so much better at playing forward all the time
Think Jones missed a trick or two with his subs.
Not one of them made much of a difference to what was going on out there
In fact Kokko coming on started causing an increase in hoof balls into the box
Ohh well onwards and upwards
I thought Kokko was a good change. We were buggered across the park and the game was stretching, at least kokko gave them something to aim when they hoofed it, and they had to bring Donaghie on to deal with his height.
Happier to say that we lost 2 points rather then stole 1.
Also, can't believe we didn't concede a stinker in the last 10 minutes to throw it away. I was just waiting for it happen.
Jeterpool
14-02-2017, 08:57 AM
I was sitting with a mate and he pointed out that Ma wasn't taking any responsibility on the ball during the second half in particular and went hiding on the field. Gotta say I thought he was on the money. That was around the 55 minute mark onwards - I think had we brought Brown on at that stage his energy could have got us over the line.
Felt surprisingly assured with the defenders yesterday. Hoff handled Rojas really well - Rojas got by him maybe once I can remember. Mullen was a good match up against Austin.
Macca
14-02-2017, 09:27 AM
Great performance overall, I wasn't even sure that Rojas was playing until I saw him get the ball a couple times in the last 15. Berisha was invisible until the last 20 also. Great game from the CMs, dominated a more expensive and more touted midfield. Victory were really made to look pretty ordinary until the last 20 minutes. We got sapped of energy when we had 3 or 4 really hard counters/breaks midway through the second half which the players invested a lot of energy into, and I think Victory gained a foothold and some more space when we weren't able to finish those chances off. Both fullbacks had great games.
How about that article from TWG having a go at Hoole for missing an "open goal sitter", what a laugh. Weak foot half volley under heavy pressure and was close to being a superb finish. You get the feeling they had pre written an article about Hoole missing an easy chance and they just had to shoehorn in a shot to fit the narrative. On Hoole, had another great game, he's still pretty poor at being a playmaker and passer, lingers on the ball too long and doesn't take good options. But man is he good at creating something out of nothing. Back to defender he just goes around them all day. If he can work on the finishing and final ball side of things he will be a super player. And his finishing has improved this season imo. (Still lots of bad misses don't get me wrong)
StannyCFCJET
14-02-2017, 10:02 AM
I Feel like Mark Jones's use of his Subs is costing us points. Fresh legs around the 55-65th min wouldve knocked the sails fully out of victory I reckon
Macca
14-02-2017, 10:11 AM
On the flip side we were dominant and in control of the game and everyone was playing well. I think he might have waited 5-10 minutes too long to make a sub but I don't think any change was needed at 55 minutes. Even Noddy was still going strong then
StannyCFCJET
14-02-2017, 10:18 AM
On the flip side we were dominant and in control of the game and everyone was playing well. I think he might have waited 5-10 minutes too long to make a sub but I don't think any change was needed at 55 minutes. Even Noddy was still going strong then
Where not seeing enough from Nobby IMO. He's not the same player we saw last year. Also notice our players dont often see the runs he makes into space so he gets frustrated and stops making them. Our players need to look left and right before they pass so their not missing overlapping runs and runs into space
Macca
14-02-2017, 10:42 AM
So we're not seeing enough from him because our other players aren't passing it to him?
He faded a bit (as he will every game, doesn't have the legs for a full game) but for the 50-70 minutes he can play he has consistently been one of our best and most dangerous players. He links up play well, makes good runs and has great awareness. Not to mention he's our best finisher if not one of the best in the league. I thought he had another good outing last night and continues to do so. Even if we were to get another good striker or two I would be happy to keep him around, for the half hour he would come off the bench for he would be influential and dangerous.
StannyCFCJET
14-02-2017, 10:43 AM
So we're not seeing enough from him because our other players aren't passing it to him?
He faded a bit (as he will every game, doesn't have the legs for a full game) but for the 50-70 minutes he can play he has consistently been one of our best and most dangerous players. He links up play well, makes good runs and has great awareness. Not to mention he's our best finisher if not one of the best in the league. I thought he had another good outing last night and continues to do so. Even if we were to get another good striker or two I would be happy to keep him around, for the half hour he would come off the bench for he would be influential and dangerous.
On the ball last year he was more decisive and more of a threat in front of goal and finishing was lethal. We havent seen that lethal instinct yet
borat
14-02-2017, 10:45 AM
I was sitting with a mate and he pointed out that Ma wasn't taking any responsibility on the ball during the second half in particular and went hiding on the field. Gotta say I thought he was on the money. That was around the 55 minute mark onwards - I think had we brought Brown on at that stage his energy could have got us over the line.
That is every game Ma has started. He goes missing for large chunks of the game and usually ends up drifting wide.
Ma has some nice touches here and there and a great left peg but he isn't up to starting, particularly as our #10. Should be permanently left on the bench
StannyCFCJET
14-02-2017, 10:47 AM
That is every game Ma has started. He goes missing for large chunks of the game and usually ends up drifting wide.
Ma has some nice touches here and there and a great left peg but he isn't up to starting, particularly as our #10. Should be permanently left on the bench
Then we mosewell sell him we need our imports starting not on the bench
borat
14-02-2017, 10:47 AM
So we're not seeing enough from him because our other players aren't passing it to him?
He faded a bit (as he will every game, doesn't have the legs for a full game) but for the 50-70 minutes he can play he has consistently been one of our best and most dangerous players. He links up play well, makes good runs and has great awareness. Not to mention he's our best finisher if not one of the best in the league. I thought he had another good outing last night and continues to do so. Even if we were to get another good striker or two I would be happy to keep him around, for the half hour he would come off the bench for he would be influential and dangerous.
Nobby is paying the price for being isolated without support. If we had a #9 and Nobby could play in behind him as a second striker the goals would flow. It's not his game to play on the point and make goals for himself
StannyCFCJET
14-02-2017, 10:50 AM
Nobby is paying the price for being isolated without support. If we had a #9 and Nobby could play in behind him as a second striker the goals would flow. It's not his game to play on the point and make goals for himself
Funny I wonder what position Kokko plays?? Also same problem we had with Heskey, He was never a lone striker good job egghead
borat
14-02-2017, 10:51 AM
Then we mosewell sell him we need our imports starting not on the bench
Agreed
He was imposed on us by Lee, but it's Jones who continually picks him in the team.
The team selections and use of the bench are baffling. Mullen may have played well last night, but you can put your house on that he will cost us more games as long as he stays at RB. It happened for the Wanderers and its happened to us. Ticking time bomb.
Macca
14-02-2017, 10:51 AM
Nobby is paying the price for being isolated without support. If we had a #9 and Nobby could play in behind him as a second striker the goals would flow. It's not his game to play on the point and make goals for himself
Agree, I think he is a natural second striker and am still waiting to see him played together with Kokko (probably won't happen). However I still think he does a reasonable job at what he's being asked to do
StannyCFCJET
14-02-2017, 10:53 AM
Agreed
He was imposed on us by Lee, but it's Jones who continually picks him in the team.
The team selections and use of the bench are baffling. Mullen may have played well last night, but you can put your house on that he will cost us more games as long as he stays at RB. It happened for the Wanderers and its happened to us. Ticking time bomb.
Mullen has had 3 good games Perth away first game. City at Coffs and Victory at home rest of the time he has been pants and given away many goals
borat
14-02-2017, 10:54 AM
Funny I wonder what position Kokko plays?? Also same problem we had with Heskey, He was never a lone striker good job egghead
I don't think Kokko is any world beater and have no confidence he would bag 10+ goals if he was being played. But what would happen is we would see the best from guys like Nobby, playing in behind, who can score goals.
StannyCFCJET
14-02-2017, 10:56 AM
I don't think Kokko is any world beater and have no confidence he would bag 10+ goals if he was being played. But what would happen is we would see the best from guys like Nobby, playing in behind, who can score goals.
That is my sole point
WolfMan
14-02-2017, 11:00 AM
I Feel like Mark Jones's use of his Subs is costing us points. Fresh legs around the 55-65th min wouldve knocked the sails fully out of victory I reckon
Just on this (I agree with you by the way) -
So far this season, Jones has made 54 substitutions. only 18 of these came on or before 65 minutes, and at least 2 or 3 of these were due to injuries/babies being born.
So 67% of the subs are made too late to have any real impact IMO
Macca
14-02-2017, 11:06 AM
Just on this (I agree with you by the way) -
So far this season, Jones has made 54 substitutions. only 18 of these came on or before 65 minutes, and at least 2 or 3 of these were due to injuries/babies being born.
So 67% of the subs are made too late to have any real impact IMO
A substitute after 65 minutes can have no impact? What?
I don't know the stats but I wouldn't be surprised if the professional average for substitutes was pretty similar to that, I don't think it would be unusual at all to see games with no subs until after 65 minutes that aren't injury enforced. I tend to think if someone gets subbed before that, or at half time, its either due to them having a shocker, or a change for tactical reasons, defensive or formational mismatch etc.
StannyCFCJET
14-02-2017, 11:23 AM
A substitute after 65 minutes can have no impact? What?
I don't know the stats but I wouldn't be surprised if the professional average for substitutes was pretty similar to that, I don't think it would be unusual at all to see games with no subs until after 65 minutes that aren't injury enforced. I tend to think if someone gets subbed before that, or at half time, its either due to them having a shocker, or a change for tactical reasons, defensive or formational mismatch etc.
Yeah but some of our players are getting gassed early so they need to be subbed cause their performance drops and they risk injury + plus we have people on the bench who should be given adequate time to affect the game from the bench. Brown for examples
WolfMan
14-02-2017, 11:33 AM
A substitute after 65 minutes can have no impact? What?
I don't know the stats but I wouldn't be surprised if the professional average for substitutes was pretty similar to that, I don't think it would be unusual at all to see games with no subs until after 65 minutes that aren't injury enforced. I tend to think if someone gets subbed before that, or at half time, its either due to them having a shocker, or a change for tactical reasons, defensive or formational mismatch etc.
Point taken.
I wasn't exactly saying those after 65 minutes can't have an impact. I'll go back and check timing, a lot from memory were 85 mins plus
Macca
14-02-2017, 11:37 AM
Point taken.
I wasn't exactly saying those after 65 minutes can't have an impact. I'll go back and check timing, a lot from memory were 85 mins plus
Yeah fair enough. 85 plus you are starting to look at token substitutes, game management etc.
Something else to consider would be earlier in the season during our injury troubles, we probably didn't have a whole lot on the bench worth bringing on.
Jeterpool
14-02-2017, 11:57 AM
I'll help out a bit.
55 substitutions this year
19 of those played <10 minutes
10 of those played <5 minutes
WolfMan
14-02-2017, 11:58 AM
I'll help out a bit.
55 substitutions this year
19 of those played <10 minutes
10 of those played <5 minutes
Cheers mate.
Average across the year is 70 minute mark, but that is skewed by the half time subs and injuries.
That average creeps up to 76 minutes just looking at the last 3 matches
Macca
14-02-2017, 11:59 AM
I'll help out a bit.
55 substitutions this year
19 of those played <10 minutes
10 of those played <5 minutes
Curiosity, are those times measured as regulation time or including stoppage time?
Roundball Enthusiast
14-02-2017, 11:59 AM
I'll help out a bit.
55 substitutions this year
19 of those played <10 minutes
10 of those played <5 minutes
29/55 with very little time to make an impact.
I'd like to see how many were injuries/babies being born.
Stubbins did the same thing, however the bench he had was far worse than what we have now.
StannyCFCJET
14-02-2017, 12:03 PM
29/55 with very little time to make an impact.
I'd like to see how many were injuries/babies being born.
Stubbins did the same thing, however the bench he had was far worse than what we have now.
GVE also loved the 70+ subs same with Miller
Macca
14-02-2017, 12:04 PM
I don't think you add the 10 to the 19. 10 of the 19 played less than 5
Jeterpool
14-02-2017, 12:05 PM
Curiosity, are those times measured as regulation time or including stoppage time?
Regulation. It gets too hard calculating additional time, especially when they say "3 minutes" but end up playing say "5" for some reason.
Jeterpool
14-02-2017, 12:06 PM
29/55 with very little time to make an impact.
I'd like to see how many were injuries/babies being born.
Stubbins did the same thing, however the bench he had was far worse than what we have now.
See Macca below - they're on the money
I don't think you add the 10 to the 19. 10 of the 19 played less than 5
Jeterpool
14-02-2017, 12:08 PM
29/55 with very little time to make an impact.
I'd like to see how many were injuries/babies being born.
Stubbins did the same thing, however the bench he had was far worse than what we have now.
Also, there are 7 subs made who played 1 half of football or greater.
Roundball Enthusiast
14-02-2017, 12:09 PM
See Macca below - he's on the money
ahhh makes sense XD
So 19/55..
Throw in a few injuries etc...
Maybe half of the 55 have had more then 10 mins to make an impact?
Macca
14-02-2017, 12:13 PM
Just quickly googled some EPL substitution stats.
% of games in which all (3) substitutions are used is 77%
Defensive subs 17%, neutral sub 60%, offensive sub 23%
Average first, second, third sub minutes are 62, 72, 81. He also gives a breakdown depending on different game states, for example when losing the average sub times are earlier 58, 68, 78.
Data was used from 2012/13 through 2015/16 seasons.
Link for anyone (Jeterpool) interested https://mister-numbers.com/2016/08/25/premier-league-substitutions-1-what-and-when/
WolfMan
14-02-2017, 12:14 PM
29/55 with very little time to make an impact.
I'd like to see how many were injuries/babies being born.
Stubbins did the same thing, however the bench he had was far worse than what we have now.
First game of the season, Kokko gets pulled at 37 minutes, think due to fitness?
2nd game Nobby is replaced by Clut at half time, again fitness concerns if memory serves?
2-2 draw with WSW, Poljak comes on for Jackson's injury at 40 minutes
2-0 loss to Victory away (awful game from memory) Ma replaces Nobby at HT, but think that was tactical/ineffectual
Boxing Day v Wellington - Koutroumbis replaces Boogs at 54 minutes due to his ankle flaring up again
Another loss to Victory away - Vujica injured and replaced by Cowburn at 41 minutes
Brown's baby dash at Half Time against Roar
Jeterpool
14-02-2017, 12:17 PM
ahhh makes sense XD
So 19/55..
Throw in a few injuries etc...
Maybe half of the 55 have had more then 10 mins to make an impact?
Depends what we consider an impact. I can't tell anyone anything about goal-saving tackles or clearances.
But we have had 3 players score from the bench. Clut v Brisbane which took it to 4-0, Nordstrand v Adelaide which won the game and Ma Leilei against Victory which took it to 3-1 - so no concequence
And (sorry in advance Plague) 2 players off the bench have been attributed with assists. Leilei played the pass to Nordstrand against Adelaide and Nordstrand came on at HT against the Nix and cut the ball back for Hoole to level the match at 1-1.
Jeterpool
14-02-2017, 12:20 PM
First game of the season, Kokko gets pulled at 37 minutes, think due to fitness?
2nd game Nobby is replaced by Clut at half time, again fitness concerns if memory serves?
2-2 draw with WSW, Poljak comes on for Jackson's injury at 40 minutes
2-0 loss to Victory away (awful game from memory) Ma replaces Nobby at HT, but think that was tactical/ineffectual
Boxing Day v Wellington - Koutroumbis replaces Boogs at 54 minutes due to his ankle flaring up again
Another loss to Victory away - Vujica injured and replaced by Cowburn at 41 minutes
Brown's baby dash at Half Time against Roar
Jackson also replaced Mullen Rd 1 due to injury and Hoff is replaced by Vujica due to injury
Kanta replaced on 82 Rd 4 against Sydney due to knee injury
WolfMan
14-02-2017, 12:41 PM
Jackson also replaced Mullen Rd 1 due to injury and Hoff is replaced by Vujica due to injury
Kanta replaced on 82 Rd 4 against Sydney due to knee injury
Awesome, thanks.
Haven't gone to the length of subs from different positions (winning, losing or drawing at time of sub).
But the average time for a sub when we go on and win the match is 76 minutes.
Subs when we draw or lose the match are almost identical on average - 68.9 minutes (let's just call it 69 minutes)
So it stands to reason, Jones appears to be trying to make earlier changes to chase the game. I think we can all agree that there has been a lot less playing for a draw this season.
Grimario
14-02-2017, 01:13 PM
Depends what we consider an impact. I can't tell anyone anything about goal-saving tackles or clearances.
But we have had 3 players score from the bench. Clut v Brisbane which took it to 4-0, Nordstrand v Adelaide which won the game and Ma Leilei against Victory which took it to 3-1 - so no concequence
And (sorry in advance Plague) 2 players off the bench have been attributed with assists. Leilei played the pass to Nordstrand against Adelaide and Nordstrand came on at HT against the Nix and cut the ball back for Hoole to level the match at 1-1.
Purely from an outcome of match (e.g. we were drawing when they came on, game finished in a draw), 10 of our 19 games, all 3 substitutes have not changed the outcome.
One win (4-0 Brisbane, 1-0 at 1st sub, 2-0 at 2nd, 4-0 at 3rd)
Three draws (Rd1 Adelaide 1-1 all subs, Rd15 Perth 2-2 all subs, Rd19 Victory 0-0 all subs)
Six losses (Rd4 Sydney 0-2 all subs, Rd5 Nix 0-2 all subs, Rd6 City 1-2 all subs, Rd13 Victory 0-2 first and second, 2-4 final, Rd16 Wanderers first 0-1, second third 0-2, Rd17 Perth first 1-2, second 1-3, third 2-3)
I think.
ForeverRed
14-02-2017, 05:34 PM
As soon as Muscat put Broxham on an hooked the Gypo in midfield the Tards got to grips with the game
At this point Poljak and Stevie U lost control and we let the Victree just bypass our midfield and play an end to end game
Would love to see Stevie U played as a 10.
He looks so much better at playing forward all the time
Think Jones missed a trick or two with his subs.
Not one of them made much of a difference to what was going on out there
In fact Kokko coming on started causing an increase in hoof balls into the box
Ohh well onwards and upwards
broxam came on and played a second holding mid where bozanic was wider and higher which created gaps for the jets, broxam closed those gaps and the gap between our mid and theres widened which gave victory more time on the ball
StannyCFCJET
15-02-2017, 12:43 PM
I haven't seen a good angle on it but was Ma Lei Lei's shot the Thomas saved going in?
evolution
15-02-2017, 12:49 PM
I haven't seen a good angle on it but was Ma Lei Lei's shot the Thomas saved going in?
From the view I had (almost directly behind) I would say yes.
WolfMan
15-02-2017, 05:52 PM
Agree with Evo. Cockerill almost immediately dismissed it as going wide despite the save from Thomas.
But the replay at home, and even on my first look live on the tv, it was sneaking in.
A great effort and a very good save
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