16/17 HAL Round 20 | Adelaide United v Newcastle Jets | Fri 17th Feb 2017 07:50pm

[Jeterpool]

A-League 16/17 Round 20 Preview - Adelaide United v Newcastle Jets

FIXTURE FACTS

Overall – 36 matches between the two teams.
Jets Wins - 11, United Wins - 14, Drawn - 11


In Newcastle – 17 matches.
Jets Wins - 8, United Wins - 5, Drawn - 4
In Adelaide - 19 matches
Jets Wins - 3, United Wins - 9, Drawn - 7

Average Home A-League Crowd – 9965
Average Away A-League Crowd - 10057

Goals in Fixture
Jets – 36, United - 46
In Adelaide -
Jets – 17, United - 31

1st Goals in Fixture
Jets – 17, United - 14

Cards in Fixture
Jets - 92 (90 yellow, 2 red), United 53 (50 yellow, 3 red)

Recent Form (A-League)
Jets - DLWLD (5 points from last 15)
United - WLDLL (4 points from last 15)

Leading Scorers
Jets - Andrew Nabbout (7)
United – 8 players on 1 goal - Henrique & Guardiola have left (1)

Last Result -
Newcastle Jets 2 (Nabbout 29', Nordstrand 90+4') - Adelaide United 1 (Isaias 68') at McDonald Jones Stadium, A-League, Round 11, Season 2016/17

Starting line-ups from Last Meeting in Season 2016/17 Round 11

Newcastle JetsAdelaide United
Jack DuncanEugene Galekovic
Jason HoffmanTarek Elrich
Daniel MullenIacopo La Rocca
Nigel BoogaardDylan McGowan
Ivan VujicaBen Garuccio
Wayne BrownIsaias
Steven UgarkovicJames Holland
Mateo PoljakMarcelo Carrusca
Andrew HooleSergio Cirio
Andrew NabboutSergi Guardiola
Devante ClutHenrique



FIXTURE RECORDS


Biggest Win

Jets 4 (Kemp 12’og, Carle 22’, Zelic 68’, Carle 89’) – Adelaide 2 (Valkanis 38, Corbo 67’og) at Hindmarsh Stadium, Round 8, Season 2005/06, 14/10/2005.

Heaviest Defeat

Jets 0 – Adelaide 7 (Djite 2’, 54’, Carrusca 23’, 28’, Boogaard 35’, Cirio 70’, Isais 90+3’) at Hindmarsh Stadium, A-League Season 2014/15 Round 15, 24/01/2015.

Leading Scorers in fixture –


Jets - Joel Griffiths, Nick Carle, Mark Bridge, Matt Thompson (3)
United - Marcelo Carrusca (5)



2016/17 SEASON STATISTICS

NumberNameAppearancesStartsSubstitute AppearancesSubbed offMinutes PlayedGoalsAssistsYellow CardsRed - Second BookableStraight Red
2Daniel Mullen981172400100
3Jason Hoffman181712150610200
4Nigel Boogaard141401122421400
5Ben Kantarovski752346401000
6Steven Ugarkovic171613139610500
7Andrew Hoole181800162052500
8Mateo Poljak181444132510100
9Aleksandr Kokko936325900100
10Wayne Brown161424121421400
11Labinot Haliti312011600000
12Andy Brennan21119500000
12Harrison Sawyer30304700100
13Ivan Vujica1091377500100
15Andrew Nabbout161516126874300
16Nick Cowburn131121103900000
18Ma Leilei1266559512400
19Morten Nordstrand151238105031100
20Jack Duncan191900171000000
22Lachlan Jackson981169700100
23Devante Clut1679667012000
24Kristian Brymora1010600000
26Iain Fyfe330220500100
28John Koutroumbis1688180500400



COACHING

Coaches Head to Head – 2 matches
Mark Jones - 1 win, Guillermo Amor - 0 wins, 1 draw

Newcastle Jets A-League Coaching Records –

Mark Jones - 2 matches (1 win, 1 draw, 0 losses = 0.5% win ratio)
Scott Miller - 3 matches (0 wins, 2 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Phil Stubbins - 3 matches (1 win, 0 drawn, 2 losses = 33% win ratio)
Gary Van Egmond - 17 matches (5 wins, 7 drawn and 5 losses = 29% win ratio)
Richard Money - 3 matches (1 win, 0 drawn, 2 losses = 33% win ratio)
Branko Culina - 6 matches (2 wins, 2 drawn, 2 losses = 33% win ratio)
Nick Theodorakopoulos - 1 match (0 wins, 0 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Craig Deans - No Matches
Clayton Zane - 1 match (1 wins, 0 drawn, 0 losses = 100% win ratio)

Adelaide United Coach Record – Guillermo Amor 20% win ratio (1 win, 3 drawn, 1 loss)

[plague]

We'll let at least 4 in.
Everyone to go back to blaming Hoole.
Stanny to tell us a tale of a friend of his that used to catch the bus with Hoole and said he was the bloke who kept ringing the damn bell.
Hoole to be one of our better players.
Boogs to land multiple legs of the Boog trifecta.
Member to complain about a new rash he picked up from too much TV exposure.

[StannyCFCJET]

We'll let at least 4 in.
Everyone to go back to blaming Hoole.
Stanny to tell us a tale of a friend of his that used to catch the bus with Hoole and said he was the bloke who kept ringing the damn bell.
Hoole to be one of our better players.
Boogs to land multiple legs of the Boog trifecta.
Member to complain about a new rash he picked up from too much TV exposure.

You forgot the part where we lose 7-0

[Roundball Enthusiast]

You forgot the part where we lose 7-0

He said we'd let in 4..

And Boogs would do the boogs trifecta..

4+3 = 7.

[Bon]

He said we'd let in 4..

And Boogs would do the boogs trifecta..

4+3 = 7.

Too much logic..
I can't fathom how you believe in that maths and science sorcery.. :gent:

[StannyCFCJET]

He said we'd let in 4..

And Boogs would do the boogs trifecta..

4+3 = 7.

:lulzturtle::lulzturtle::lulzturtle::lulzturtle:

[steve136]

We'll create a bunch of chances that our useless finishers will waste.
Concede 2 soft goals out of nowhere.
Birazz would have saved them.
Everybody will blame our DMs.

[The Dunster]

The Jets will go into this game as red hot favourites. Anything less than a win will be disappointing. And now that Webster has left Adelaide we don't have to worry about him spoiling the party.

[StannyCFCJET]

The Jets will go into this game as red hot favourites. Anything less than a win will be disappointing. And now that Webster has left Adelaide we don't have to worry about him spoiling the party.

Webster???

[The Dunster]

Webster???

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/95/Webster_Season_1.jpg

[Jetmaster]

Webster???

The Slippery Fish....

Adelaide got flogged at home ergo will play like Barca this week against us knowing our luck. Plus they know Jonesy inside out.

Tarek to get one of his specials, someone to get a red and someone else to get a crucial injury.

Yet another Fox remote purchased on Monday.

[hawk]

We're walking into this

http://static.wixstatic.com/media/442691_479e92a432b14066833dd19ef52a4544~mv2_d_2880 _1800_s_2.jpg_srz_968_452_85_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg _srz

[WolfMan]

We're walking into this

http://static.wixstatic.com/media/442691_479e92a432b14066833dd19ef52a4544~mv2_d_2880 _1800_s_2.jpg_srz_968_452_85_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg _srz

A giant storm?

[Jeterpool]

We're walking into this

http://static.wixstatic.com/media/442691_479e92a432b14066833dd19ef52a4544~mv2_d_2880 _1800_s_2.jpg_srz_968_452_85_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg _srz


A giant storm?

Nah, Hawk means we're playing against Taylor Regan. He's everywhere on the field.

[evanhayes5]

Went training today

100% sure he'll start with the same team as last game.

Which for me is interesting considering short turn around.

[furns]

Even Leilei?

[turbojetfireV8]

JD on new the three new Barrel Boys: http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4470691/jack-wary-of-new-look-champions/?cs=3398

[Macca]

Interesting stat from the end, Ugar ran 13 kms during the game apparently, pretty big number

[borat]

Went training today

100% sure he'll start with the same team as last game.

Which for me is interesting considering short turn around.

Seriously.....this has banana skin written all over it

[leftrightout]

Seriously.....this has banana skin written all over it

has 0-0 written all over it. Since we were spanked down there when shit hit the fan there hasn't been many goals scored in this fixture from memory.

[belchardo]

i hope the players/coaches have this marked down as a winnable three points even with the short turnaround. 6 v 12, goal difference -6 to -22, almost double the number of points.

this is the sort of game we should be going into with (cautious) confidence.

with wanderers playing Sydney, city playing nix and victory playing mariners, this is a real opportunity to take control of sixth position. we've quite simply got to be up for this.

[Jeterpool]

i hope the players/coaches have this marked down as a winnable three points even with the short turnaround. 6 v 12, goal difference -6 to -22, almost double the number of points.

this is the sort of game we should be going into with (cautious) confidence.

with wanderers playing Sydney, city playing nix and victory playing mariners, this is a real opportunity to take control of sixth position. we've quite simply got to be up for this.

10000%

Unfortunately we've been in this position (cementing a top 6 spot against a near rival) against Wanderers and Perth and we didn't take it. Our away form is poor and we need to change it.

We need to break the trend against them this week.

[StannyCFCJET]

10000%

Unfortunately we've been in this position (cementing a top 6 spot against a near rival) against Wanderers and Perth and we didn't take it. Our away form is poor and we need to change it.

We need to break the trend against them this week.

Weve had at least 5 must win no excuse top 6 games already and we haven't won any of them.

[hawk]

Weve had at least 5 must win no excuse top 6 games already and we haven't won any of them.

Tends to be said every game after the 4th round as we are in 9th by then. Lets have a must lose game. drink up winners

[The Dunster]

i hope the players/coaches have this marked down as a winnable three points even with the short turnaround. 6 v 12, goal difference -6 to -22, almost double the number of points.

this is the sort of game we should be going into with (cautious) confidence.

with wanderers playing Sydney, city playing nix and victory playing mariners, this is a real opportunity to take control of sixth position. we've quite simply got to be up for this.

I think it's a tough situation. Sydney are going to eventually lose - and this might be the game. City are terrible and it wouldn't surprise me if the nix rolled them. Mariners are going ok as well and Victory as we saw on Monday are hardly world beaters.
Even with a win, I don't think the Jets will be getting the jump on anyone this weekend - a loss though will really put the pressure on.
Of all the matches this week thought I'd probably feel safer backing the Jets than anyone else.

[borat]

If this team is serious about making the 6, and I mean Jones was targeting 3rd a week ago, have to take 3 points from this game.

If you look at the draw it's CCM that's going to challenge us for 6th. WSW draw is pretty tough, and combined with ACL games I don't see them challenging. Nix are too inconsistent

[Jeterpool]

I think you're right. That makes the next 2 weeks crucial.

[StannyCFCJET]

Tends to be said every game after the 4th round as we are in 9th by then. Lets have a must lose game. drink up winners

Wellignton at home, Perth home and away (2nd game), WSW away oh and Victory home Monday

[Jetmaster]

I always laugh at this "must win to be in the six", or "chance to break a hoodoo", or "three straight wins" crap we go on with every game - the team, coach and fans create unnecessary pressure each game.

The name of the game is to win every game possible, one at a time, and ignore everyone else - see where we are after 27 weeks. We all know this team has improved but is not as good as at least five teams above them, not yet.

After 28 weeks the team that comes sixth is usually out the back door anyway!

[StannyCFCJET]

I always laugh at this "must win to be in the six", or "chance to break a hoodoo", or "three straight wins" crap we go on with every game - the team, coach and fans create unnecessary pressure each game.

The name of the game is to win every game possible, one at a time, and ignore everyone else - see where we are after 27 weeks. We all know this team has improved but is not as good as at least five teams above them, not yet.

After 28 weeks the team that comes sixth is usually out the back door anyway!

Our team is only as good as the players want it to be each week. When the players are fired up and want it weve played teams off the park who are above us. When the opposite occurs we get outplayed by mariners for 70 mins and lose to Sydney FC twice

[borat]

I always laugh at this "must win to be in the six", or "chance to break a hoodoo", or "three straight wins" crap we go on with every game - the team, coach and fans create unnecessary pressure each game.

The name of the game is to win every game possible, one at a time, and ignore everyone else - see where we are after 27 weeks. We all know this team has improved but is not as good as at least five teams above them, not yet.

After 28 weeks the team that comes sixth is usually out the back door anyway!

Haha so you are sick of the cliches and follow it up with the "win every game" and "one at a time"......

Ok then

There are must win games, just that people throw the term around a lot. In this instance there are only 8 games to go, and as Jones says in the Herald 5 are against opposition out of the 6. I would suggest not losing those games would assist in not being supplanted from the 6.

[belchardo]

Newcastle Jets Squad vs. Adelaide United: 2. Daniel MULLEN, 3, Jason HOFFMAN, 4. Nigel BOOGAARD (C), 6. Steven UGARKOVIC, 7. Andrew HOOLE, 8. Mateo POLJAK, 9. Aleksandr KOKKO, 10. Wayne BROWN, 15. Andrew NABBOUT, 16. Nicholas COWBURN, 18. MA Leilei, 19. Morten NORDSTRAND, 20. Jack DUNCAN (Gk), 22. Lachlan JACKSON, 23. Devante CLUT, 28. John KOUTROUMBIS, 29. Joel ALLWRIGHT, 50. Tomislav ARCABA (Gk)
**two to be omitted**
Ins: 23. Devante CLUT (promoted), 29. Joel ALLWRIGHT (promoted)
Outs: Nil
Unavailable: 1. Ben KENNEDY (achilles - season), 21. Daniel ALESSI (knee - season)

[lquiquer]

I always laugh at this "must win to be in the six", or "chance to break a hoodoo", or "three straight wins" crap we go on with every game - the team, coach and fans create unnecessary pressure each game.

The name of the game is to win every game possible, one at a time, and ignore everyone else - see where we are after 27 weeks. We all know this team has improved but is not as good as at least five teams above them, not yet.

After 28 weeks the team that comes sixth is usually out the back door anyway!

Hey don't forget: "make MDJ a fortress"...

[380]

Jones to refute the idea of using subs as a good idea.

Lose.

Jones to tell us how unlucky we were and should have got more from the game.

And should add how we are now a top two side in waiting not just top four now.

[turbojetfireV8]

Newcastle Jets Squad vs. Adelaide United: 2. Daniel MULLEN, 3, Jason HOFFMAN, 4. Nigel BOOGAARD (C), 6. Steven UGARKOVIC, 7. Andrew HOOLE, 8. Mateo POLJAK, 9. Aleksandr KOKKO, 10. Wayne BROWN, 15. Andrew NABBOUT, 16. Nicholas COWBURN, 18. MA Leilei, 19. Morten NORDSTRAND, 20. Jack DUNCAN (Gk), 22. Lachlan JACKSON, 23. Devante CLUT, 28. John KOUTROUMBIS, 29. Joel ALLWRIGHT, 50. Tomislav ARCABA (Gk)
**two to be omitted**
Ins: 23. Devante CLUT (promoted), 29. Joel ALLWRIGHT (promoted)
Outs: Nil
Unavailable: 1. Ben KENNEDY (achilles - season), 21. Daniel ALESSI (knee - season)

I assume that means Kantarovski is fit but just not included?

[Jetmaster]

Haha so you are sick of the cliches and follow it up with the "win every game" and "one at a time"......

Ok then

There are must win games, just that people throw the term around a lot. In this instance there are only 8 games to go, and as Jones says in the Herald 5 are against opposition out of the 6. I would suggest not losing those games would assist in not being supplanted from the 6.

Herald today despite all the "must win" bluster - Jonesy says:


The coach said the table suggested Newcastle did not have to win, “but it would be easier for us if we did”.

Haven't heard anybody say "six pointer" yet!

[Jeterpool]

I assume that means Kantarovski is fit but just not included?

Vujica too?


Game day people.

Lets hope the Jets don't ruin our weekend. Hey at least it's done tonight and we have the weekend to drink. Must be what the big teams feel.

[borat]

Herald today despite all the "must win" bluster - Jonesy says:



Haven't heard anybody say "six pointer" yet!

How is what Jones said any different to what I posted? It's not must win but it certainly will help not to lose.

[The Dunster]

Will Haliti ever play for the Jets again ? He never seems to get a mention but he still appears to be training with the team.

[borat]

Will Haliti ever play for the Jets again ? He never seems to get a mention but he still appears to be training with the team.

I would expect he will released quite soon to play NPL

[StannyCFCJET]

Seems like either Jones doesnt rate Haliti at all or his first major injury has destroyed him

[borat]

Wonder who missed the flight

[plague]

Plague Jnr has gone back to wearing the Black and White stripes to try and get the team going.

[MFKS]

No rash Plague

Just some minor sunburn and some bruising to the nether regions from some RSI



All good

Found a TV too

[steve136]

Boogard desperately trying to give away a penalty to get his quota for the month

[plague]

Hooles been fantastic tonight.

[steve136]

Hooles been fantastic tonight.

:rof:

[monz6]

We look ruthless here tonight

[steve136]

Looks like a team has finally remembered the Jets can't play for shit when you press them and put them under pressure. Hope we snag a goal to kill off some of Adelaide's early game desperation

[plague]

Found a TV too

whatever floats your boat homie.

[MFKS]

Who the **** at this club thinks our goal keeper should be playmaking like Pirlo needs shooting


These blokes on a bonus for everytime they needlessly pass it back to the keeper??

Jones shpuld insist the blokes drop and do 20 push ups everytime they needlessly give it backwards


Play it forward and stop passing the buck

[Jetmaster]

About 20 backheels already...not taking this seriously ffs.

[goaliepersempre]

The commentary on the radio is woeful...... def no Aaron.

[plague]

We are making the worst keeper in the league look competent.

[steve136]

Ffs if Leilei cuts in on his left one more time when there's space on the right I'm going to throw my computer into a wall

[Jetmaster]

This is poo...we have nuthin.

[Hunter403]

Ouch!

[belchardo]

Ouch. And geez Nordstrand has an amazing touch in front of goal.

[monz6]

Ouch

[plague]

Poljak is having the exact opposite game to last week.

[weston]

Hopefully the keeper is now seeing double and from now on tries to save the wrong ball...

Geez that looked like it hurt.

[MFKS]

Ouch

That got to have hurt

[Hunter403]

How did that not warrant a concussion test?

[monz6]

Love being told the story of nabbout every week by the commentators. Was told he wasn't part of muscats plan. Went to Thailand. Now has a second chance at the jets

[Jetmaster]

Love being told the story of nabbout every week by the commentators. Was told he wasn't part of muscats plan. Went to Thailand. Now has a second chance at the jets

It's Speedy remember....

[plague]

Love being told the story of nabbout every week by the commentators. Was told he wasn't part of muscats plan. Went to Thailand. Now has a second chance at the jets

Almost as rehashed as Batmans parents getting killed.

[MFKS]

Great refereeing there

Some rule where your defending champs you dont get cards now??

FMD

[Jetmaster]

Almost as rehashed as Batmans parents getting killed.

Wha...??

[plague]

I'll always be amazed at how much Robbie Slater hates the Jets.
It's a skill far more impressive than anything he ever displayed on the field.

[Jetmaster]

I'll always be amazed at how much Robbie Slater hates the Jets.
It's a skill far more impressive than anything he ever displayed on the field.

Yep...couldn't help himself rambling about the Gypos earlier.

[MFKS]

This game there for the taking

Someone want to tell Chinese Messi to stop playing like the Argentine Messi anonymous and all that ??
Also is Nordstrand playing??


These two are invisible

Take control of the game you ****ers

[belchardo]

We've lacked pressure through our CMs, our attacking mids are showing nothing more than glimpses of skill, and the forwards have generally been ok with what they've had on offer. Defence seems ok, but geez that was a backpass.

[baldrick]

Almost as rehashed as Batmans parents getting killed.


Jaysus, spolier !!

[plague]

Ooga Booga is doing it by himself.

Poljak is cooked, get Special K on and let the kids be free.

[steve136]

Just give Adelaide a throw-in at half way when we have a goal kick and save everyone the hassle.

Also twice this game Hoole has taken a dive leading to a good chance for Adelaide when he didn't get the call.

[steve136]

Duncan flapping harder than Birazz ever did

[StannyCFCJET]

The players dont want this game enough. Too casual no urgency. Adelaide cant make finals and there working their ass off

[lquiquer]

Love being told the story of nabbout every week by the commentators. Was told he wasn't part of muscats plan. Went to Thailand. Now has a second chance at the jets

The best part (not often mentioned) is the Gypos rejected him last year...

[MFKS]

Some **** let Jones know now is the time to send a sub on

We have been lethargic the first 10 of this half

[steve136]

Some **** let Jones know now is the time to send a sub on

We have been lethargic the first 10 of this half

I thought we weren't allowed to make subs until the 80th minute?

[The Dunster]

Everyone said it would happen and it did. It's like you mention the Jets need to win or say they should win and they capitulate into shit.
Adelaide are without key players and have every excuse in the world - but they will win the game.

Penalty my arse. Shit referee.

[redwah]

**** me...every second week....

[steve136]

Elrich the diving prick

[westjet]

I know the refs arent great but something seriously needs to be done about the constant disrepect thrown their way by players. Nearly every decision is being followed by abuse, charging towards the ref, telling him to look at the screen and its getting embarrassing.

[redwah]

Why do our defenders continue to back off until they are in the box...

[belchardo]

**** me, that is a pen every day of the week.

[plague]

Boogs to land multiple legs of the Boog trifecta.

ahem.

[steve136]

What a f*cking cheat. He's already on the ground by the time he makes contact with Mullen.

[borat]

Come on, that's a pen. If Mullen actually made a tackle it wouldn't have come to that

[Jetmaster]

Looks like next week will be a "must win" game ay?

[steve136]

"Hoole should finish" is the quote that sums up our season

[Hunter403]

Our player's touch tonight is crap.

[redwah]

**** me dead...put some pressure on him outside the box and it's no penalty chance at all....shithouse

[steve136]

Come on, that's a pen. If Mullen actually made a tackle it wouldn't have come to that

Disagree. If that was Berisha every man and their dog would be ropable about that. He takes a touch past Mullen and goes down. It's incidental that he touches Mullen on his trip to the turf

[Hunter403]

We've been completely ineffective tonight

[borat]

Looks like next week will be a "must win" game ay?
When the gypos go 4 points clear you mean?

[redwah]

Disagree. If that was Berisha every man and their dog would be ropable about that. He takes a touch past Mullen and goes down. It's incidental that he touches Mullen on his trip to the turf

Yeah and the rubbish standard of refs we should ****ing know better.....how are professionals so shit at their jobs

[steve136]

Yeah and the rubbish standard of refs we should ****ing know better.....how are professionals so shit at their jobs

Oh don't get me wrong, Jones is absolutely asking for it by playing Mullen in the first place. We deserve everything we get. Just wish it wasn't at the expense of that useless piece of sh*t Elrich.

[borat]

Disagree. If that was Berisha every man and their dog would be ropable about that. He takes a touch past Mullen and goes down. It's incidental that he touches Mullen on his trip to the turf
He should never been allowed to run that far. It's hardly a howler, more a close call that went against us.

If the boot was on the other foot we would be screaming for it.

[weston]

Great tackle by Lei Lei

[steve136]

He should never been allowed to run that far. It's hardly a howler, more a close call that went against us.

If the boot was on the other foot we would be screaming for it.

The boot will never be on the other foot because none of our players know how to take a touch towards goal

[The Dunster]

Lei Lei should have got a red for that late challenge - very lucky to only get a yellow

[borat]

Oh don't get me wrong, Jones is absolutely asking for it by playing Mullen in the first place. We deserve everything we get. Just wish it wasn't at the expense of that useless piece of sh*t Elrich.

Mullen will cost us 1 in every 2 -3 games he plays at RB. Just takes an opposition to effectively exploit him

[belchardo]

So you guys know the pen was awarded against boogs right?

[borat]

If only we had a tall striker on the bench to play on McGowan.........

[steve136]

So you guys know the pen was awarded against boogs right?

Meh. They're both the same player right? Slow, poor decision maker, constantly looking to give away reds and penalties?

[The Dunster]

So you guys know the pen was awarded against boogs right?

That's a worry considering Boogs contact was outside the box.

[Jetmaster]

Great...now we have no strikers on the field....game over.

[StannyCFCJET]

How is Lei Lei still on there and who is striker now ffs

[borat]

So you guys know the pen was awarded against boogs right?

Certainly was, after the manly ferry sized hole that Mullen opened up directly into the box

[steve136]

Great...now we have no strikers on the field....game over.

Wait we have strikers in our club?

[steve136]

lol Brown getting stuck in. Stupid but at least someone on our team gives a shit

[belchardo]

Great response bybbrown.

[plague]

3. Brown
2. Lei Lei

The other blokes are pussies.

[belchardo]

Lucky to stay on the park.

[belchardo]

This mcgree kid looks to be a dirty little shit.

[steve136]

This mcgree kid looks to be a dirty little shit.

Ridiculous that was his first yellow.

[redwah]

That 3 tackles that should have been red.

[MFKS]

That is a red

Nothing more needs to be said



Can have all the reviews into referees you want

Can make them professional


But you cant tolerate shit like that from amatuer or professional referees


Disgrace

[steve136]

Have we scored a single goal from a Leilei set piece? Commentators can't get enough of his "dangerous left peg" but I don't recall it actually doing anything

[borat]

Seriously apart from set peices and slide tackles, what does Leilei do? The guy is a deadset passenger. Should be permanently put on the bench

[Jetmaster]

Seriously apart from set peices and slide tackles, what does Leilei do? The guy is a deadset passenger. Should be permanently put on the bench

But...but...Chinese Messi...?

[steve136]

Hoole just became my favourite player for smacking Elrich in the head. Someone should have done it much earlier in this game.

[weston]

**** me this ref is having a great game. Thats at least 3 players now who should have seen red.

[borat]

Great...now we have no strikers on the field....game over.

Jones has no idea with team selection. We should either Koutroumbis or Cowburn on the bench, not both, and then have a striker on the bench....because, you know, sometimes they are handy to have

[steve136]

Is the Nabbout we've seen the last 3 weeks the real Nabbout? Cause if so he's not that great

[belchardo]

This is pretty much textbook terrible playing.

[belchardo]

If that's afoul, then it's a yellow as well

[The Dunster]

The short turn around is really starting to show now - most of our players are walking

[borat]

It's criminal not to have a striker on the bench. NFI

[Jeterpool]

So...Miller has more points at the same.part of the season than Jones.

[The Dunster]

So...Miller has more points at the same.part of the season than Jones.

Yes. But I couldn't watch the shit football we played under Miller. Tonight's game reminded me a lot of how we played under Miller. No threats on opposition goal and basically just waiting to concede.

If the club want to keep Hoole they should negotiate with him based on tonights effort.

I'd offer him a coke and a sausage roll per game - but no sauce.

[belchardo]

Pretty bloody pathetic

[monz6]

Yellow card to the jets for timewasting.

[steve136]

So...Miller has more points at the same.part of the season than Jones.

Wait until the January transfer window...I hear Jones has some ideas about some pieces he wants to add to his squad.....

Continually plays guys out of position, starts guys that have no right to be out there, doesn't know how to use substitutions, can't motivate his players to perform when it matters. 25% win rate.

Absolutely hopeless.

[borat]

So...Miller has more points at the same.part of the season than Jones.

Well he has 7 games to pick up 10 pts to go past last years total. I don't see it happening and would think the Mariners go above us either this week or next

[plague]

So...Miller has more points at the same.part of the season than Jones.

This is the greatest post in the history of the foz.

Well in sir.

[borat]

Wait until the January transfer window...I hear Jones has some ideas about some pieces he wants to add to his squad.....

Continually plays guys out of position, starts guys that have no right to be out there, doesn't know how to use substitutions, can't motivate his players to perform when it matters. 25% win rate.

Absolutely hopeless.

Shhhh don't be negative Steve, the guy is a tactical genius. Just look at the courses he has done.

[steve136]

Yes. But I couldn't watch the shit football we played under Miller. Tonight's game reminded me a lot of how we played under Miller. No threats on opposition goal and basically just waiting to concede.

If the club want to keep Hoole they should negotiate with him based on tonights effort.

I'd offer him a coke and a sausage roll per game - but no sauce.

At least Miller could beat the coasties

[leftrightout]

Love the long balls at the arse end of the game game... chasing the games so we pump it forward to our big men... Brown all alone! Seriously 1-0 down and we take off the only striking option in the park and replace him with a number 6!

[Wilso8948]

Miller
Jones
Who the **** cares. Reality is our squad is still 7th at best. Until we add some serious quality we can never be expected to be taken seriously in this league.

[steve136]

Shhhh don't be negative Steve, the guy is a tactical genius. Just look at the courses he has done.

I'd love to hear from him which course taught him to play no strikers when chasing a game.

[steve136]

Miller
Jones
Who the **** cares. Reality is our squad is still 7th at best. Until we add some serious quality we can never be expected to be taken seriously in this league.

Alternatively, maybe players will want to come here if we hire a proper coach for once.

[The Dunster]

I'd love to hear from him which course taught him to play no strikers when chasing a game.

http://theswca.com/images-food/boxes/weeties-au-500-f.jpg

[steve136]

lol Boogard not happy with the penalty - "I trained with Tarek for 5 years and I know what he's like..."

[Jetmaster]

Still 6th are we?

[The Camel]

Wait until the January transfer window...I hear Jones has some ideas about some pieces he wants to add to his squad.....

Continually plays guys out of position, starts guys that have no right to be out there, doesn't know how to use substitutions, can't motivate his players to perform when it matters. 25% win rate.

Absolutely hopeless.

Yet the member thinks he's a footballing god. Tonight was as bad as anything under Stubbins. That game was as low as the club has ever been

[steve136]

http://theswca.com/images-food/boxes/weeties-au-500-f.jpg

:rof:

[lquiquer]

Still 6th are we?

We will if WSW loose, and Gypos And nix don't win

[monz6]

Yet the member thinks he's a footballing god. Tonight was as bad as anything under Stubbins. That game was as low as the club has ever been

Minus 6

[Hunter403]

Huge chance to skip away from WSW, Nix and Coasties tonight and we blew it.

Chasing the game and we replace a striker with a mid?
Madness
Nabbout showed why Victory showed him the door tonight.
We were ineffective all over the park and our ball control was pure shite.

[leftrightout]

Huge chance to skip away from WSW, Nix and Coasties tonight and we blew it.

Chasing the game and we replace a striker with a mid?
Madness
Nabbout showed why Victory showed him the door tonight.
We were ineffective all over the park and our ball control was pure shite.

Really shows how bad we were. We are awful, Adelaide were awful and the ref was awful!
I want to complain about the ref but feel like I shouldn't given that I support the team who were the worst of the 3!

[plague]

lol Boogard not happy with the penalty - "I trained with Tarek for 5 years and I know what he's like..."

wot?

nawwww he didnt really say that did he?

[Wilso8948]

That game was as low as the club has ever been

You have a short memory.

[sammydog]

Can someone please explain to me Jones' tactical use of the bench.

Ive been trying to work it out for weeks and I'm stumped. All I can come up with is that he formulates his changes prior to a game, then watches his clock rather than the game so he doesn't have to respond to the match as it progresses.

I can't blame him fir that, I buried my head tonight as well.

[The Camel]

You have a short memory.

Tonight was ****ing disgraceful from everyone bar Ugar. Joneses use of the bench was absolutely pathetic. He is ****ing terrible. We were playing a team in dire form and bereft of confidence. Adelaide pkayed absolutely shit as well but we were even worse. One of the lowest performance in the clubs history

[The Dunster]

Tonight was ****ing disgraceful from everyone bar Ugar. Joneses use of the bench was absolutely pathetic. He is ****ing terrible. We were playing a team in dire form and bereft of confidence. Adelaide pkayed absolutely shit as well but we were even worse. One of the lowest performance in the clubs history

The bench wasn't going to win the game. One thing the club has been doing well is running on late on the game. This week they were flat out gone with 25 mins or more to go. Jones would have needed to make ten subs to change the result.
The Jets needed to put the game beyond Adelaide's reach early on and they failed to do it.
I see the Jets effort this week much the same as Victory's effort against us last week. Hard to explain. Pointing the finger at Jones doesn't tell us why Hoole and Nabbout failed to fire up against Adelaide -or the rest of the team for that matter. Our ball movement was very slow tonight as well, and we were often forcing passes when we didn't need to - and several times played the ball back when we had ample opportunity to go forward.
We simply don't have the cattle to be competitive on a week to week basis and tend to not go well running as favourites.
When the pressure is off they seem to play a lot better. Hence, I don't like our chances against the Coast next week.

[steve136]

We simply don't have the cattle to be competitive on a week to week basis and tend to not go well running as favourites.


I would contend that an average coach would make the six comfortably with our current squad. No, they're not great, but neither is the opposition we're coming up against bar a couple of teams to be honest.

[hawk]

Browny you legend. That MGree is a cvnt

[The Dunster]

I would contend that an average coach would make the six comfortably with our current squad. No, they're not great, but neither is the opposition we're coming up against bar a couple of teams to be honest.

Did you foresee Adelaide being bottom of the table given their coach and squad ? I doubt anyone did.
Of all the clubs Newcastle has spent a lot less than all other clubs other than Central Coast.
With respect to transfer market prices [dodgy I know] our squad is a third the value of pretty much all teams other than Central Coast.
Popovic has won the ACL, been in grand finals, and for the most part been highly competitive in all season bar this one.
This season WSW and the Jets are for all intensive purposes pretty much level on the table and yet they spent more than us and are valued a lot higher than the Jets.
So to think Jones is the issue makes little sense if two previously successful coaches can all of a sudden fall so quickly ?
Ernie Merrick was terrible at Wellington and yet his record at Victory bar a season or two was successful including championships.

There is little evidence to suggest Jones is the issue and probably more evidence to suggest he's not.

All that aside tonight's effort was woeful - but as a Jets fan it was nothing we haven't seen before on a regular basis last season.
To beat the Jets you need to rough them up and Adelaide were very aggressive tonight from the opening whistle to the end of the game.

[StannyCFCJET]

Did you foresee Adelaide being bottom of the table given their coach and squad ? I doubt anyone did.
Of all the clubs Newcastle has spent a lot less than all other clubs other than Central Coast.
With respect to transfer market prices [dodgy I know] our squad is a third the value of pretty much all teams other than Central Coast.
Popovic has won the ACL, been in grand finals, and for the most part been highly competitive in all season bar this one.
This season WSW and the Jets are for all intensive purposes pretty much level on the table and yet they spent more than us and are valued a lot higher than the Jets.
So to think Jones is the issue makes little sense if two previously successful coaches can all of a sudden fall so quickly ?
Ernie Merrick was terrible at Wellington and yet his record at Victory bar a season or two was successful including championships.

There is little evidence to suggest Jones is the issue and probably more evidence to suggest he's not.

All that aside tonight's effort was woeful - but as a Jets fan it was nothing we haven't seen before on a regular basis last season.
To beat the Jets you need to rough them up and Adelaide were very aggressive tonight from the opening whistle to the end of the game.

This same team has beaten City and Brisbane who are better than Adelaide this season makes you question how Jones prepared them for this game

[The Dunster]

This same team has beaten City and Brisbane who are better than Adelaide this season makes you question how Jones prepared them for this game

I think Adelaide nullified our pace tonight by sitting back and rarely pushing forward in numbers. Kicking the shit out of us helped as well.
Where as teams like Brisbane and City get forward in numbers and leave themselves exposed if they cough the ball up.

The players looked a little flat tonight and in the last 25 mins where we have managed to often run over our opponents the team looked like they were holding on more so than looking for a win.
Unless Jones can somehow convince Fox and the FFA to reschedule matches I'm not sure there would be much he can do.

I didn't think starting Morten without another striker on the Bench was a good idea though. In many ways I think Kokko might have been a better option - but who knows given his forms not great.
Hoole and Nabbout were very poor tonight - why I'm not sure.

[belchardo]

I loved zanes comments after half time: we were just going to "wait adelaide out". What does that even mean?

[halo se7en]

Did you foresee Adelaide being bottom of the table given their coach and squad ? I doubt anyone did.
Of all the clubs Newcastle has spent a lot less than all other clubs other than Central Coast.
With respect to transfer market prices [dodgy I know] our squad is a third the value of pretty much all teams other than Central Coast.
Popovic has won the ACL, been in grand finals, and for the most part been highly competitive in all season bar this one.
This season WSW and the Jets are for all intensive purposes pretty much level on the table and yet they spent more than us and are valued a lot higher than the Jets.
So to think Jones is the issue makes little sense if two previously successful coaches can all of a sudden fall so quickly ?
Ernie Merrick was terrible at Wellington and yet his record at Victory bar a season or two was successful including championships.

There is little evidence to suggest Jones is the issue and probably more evidence to suggest he's not.

All that aside tonight's effort was woeful - but as a Jets fan it was nothing we haven't seen before on a regular basis last season.
To beat the Jets you need to rough them up and Adelaide were very aggressive tonight from the opening whistle to the end of the game.

So maybe we just scrap having a coach altogether if they don't really have any influence?

[parksey]

I wish people would stop banging on about our squad not being good enough. It is easily as good as any side outside the top 4, first eleven and squad.

People just seem to use that as an excuse when we have nights like this.

It was simply not good enough. Adelaide are one of the worst sides I've seen in this league and we didn't come close to getting the job done.

[The Dunster]

So maybe we just scrap having a coach altogether if they don't really have any influence?

I never said the coach had no influence. I'm saying that there are a lot of influences and you cannot just single one factor out in isolation.

[The Dunster]

I wish people would stop banging on about our squad not being good enough. It is easily as good as any side outside the top 4, first eleven and squad.

People just seem to use that as an excuse when we have nights like this.

It was simply not good enough. Adelaide are one of the worst sides I've seen in this league and we didn't come close to getting the job done.

But you say this with hindsight. Show me the post before the season started when you said Adelaide are going to fail to make the six ? Or indeed that they were one of the worst sides you had seen in the league ?

Coaching the Jets is like driving for Ferrari in F1. If you win it's the car and if you lose it was a bad drive.
The players had a lighter preparation this week due to the short turn-around. This was unavoidable and no doubt impacted on the team.

[StannyCFCJET]

I wish people would stop banging on about our squad not being good enough. It is easily as good as any side outside the top 4, first eleven and squad.

People just seem to use that as an excuse when we have nights like this.

It was simply not good enough. Adelaide are one of the worst sides I've seen in this league and we didn't come close to getting the job done.

Your spot on Parksey. We have two of the best wingers in the competition when on form and Nordstrand was deadly last year we should be able to at least score one goal against adelaide. Also how is Ma Lei Lei getting close to 90 mins he is a passenger atm

[The Dunster]

Your spot on Parksey. We have two of the best wingers in the competition when on form and Nordstrand was deadly last year we should be able to at least score one goal against adelaide. Also how is Ma Lei Lei getting close to 90 mins he is a passenger atm

Steady on - Hoole got dumped by Sydney and the Jets offered him a life line. Nabbout was playing 2nd division in Malaysia because Victory didn't want him. Both those players would have gained contracts with those two A-league clubs based on their potential / flare. But they were dumped by them because of a lack of consistency. Hence, nights like last night are to be expected.
The short turn-around and fewer sessions to fine tune things is most likely the factor as it disrupted the teams routine. A longer than expected layoff can have similar effects - see Victory's poor effort on Monday against the Jets.

[borat]

Steady on - Hoole got dumped by Sydney and the Jets offered him a life line. Nabbout was playing 2nd division in Malaysia because Victory didn't want him. Both those players would have gained contracts with those two A-league clubs based on their potential / flare. But they were dumped by them because of a lack of consistency. Hence, nights like last night are to be expected.
The short turn-around and fewer sessions to fine tune things is most likely the factor as it disrupted the teams routine. A longer than expected layoff can have similar effects - see Victory's poor effort on Monday against the Jets.

And.......??????

The point remains that Jones has at his disposal, thanks to his predecessor, 2 of the best performing players in the league this season and a proven striker. That Nabbout and Hoole were unfancied just shows what a shrewd recruiter Miller was.

That Jones can not fashion an attack is all on him

[Jetmaster]

... they know Jonesy inside out.

Tarek to get one of his specials, someone to get a red and someone else to get a crucial injury.

Yet another Fox remote purchased on Monday.

Well - I was there or thereabouts and the remote survived.

Our bench looked like it was set up to defend a result once we got in front - it did not take into account what happens if you fall behind.

We are not good enough to play this false nine shit and rely on Nabs and Hoole to score our goals. Haliti and Kokko are all we have bar Nobby, and he needs help. Use them ffs! You might want rid of them but use them whilst you have them - you never know your luck.

[borat]

But you say this with hindsight. Show me the post before the season started when you said Adelaide are going to fail to make the six ? Or indeed that they were one of the worst sides you had seen in the league ?

Coaching the Jets is like driving for Ferrari in F1. If you win it's the car and if you lose it was a bad drive.
The players had a lighter preparation this week due to the short turn-around. This was unavoidable and no doubt impacted on the team.

Hindsight????? What the hell are you talking about? It was a top 6 squad at the start of the season and still a top 6 squad today.

You just continually look for excuses not to hold responsible the man at the wheel. If this team cannot make the 6 its all on Jones.

[borat]

Well - I was there or thereabouts and the remote survived.

Our bench looked like it was set up to defend a result once we got in front - it did not take into account what happens if you fall behind.

We are not good enough to play this false nine shit and rely on Nabs and Hoole to score our goals. Haliti and Kokko are all we have bar Nobby, and he needs help. Use them ffs! You might want rid of them but use them whilst you have them - you never know your luck.

Its criminal not to play a striker on the bench and IMO it cost us 1 or 3 points. And that mistake is all on Jones.

[borat]

So maybe we just scrap having a coach altogether if they don't really have any influence?

Well if the competition outcome is completely determined by what a club spends then clearly the answer is to sack Jones and spend more on a decent coach.

[borat]

Did you foresee Adelaide being bottom of the table given their coach and squad ? I doubt anyone did.
Of all the clubs Newcastle has spent a lot less than all other clubs other than Central Coast.
With respect to transfer market prices [dodgy I know] our squad is a third the value of pretty much all teams other than Central Coast.
Popovic has won the ACL, been in grand finals, and for the most part been highly competitive in all season bar this one.
This season WSW and the Jets are for all intensive purposes pretty much level on the table and yet they spent more than us and are valued a lot higher than the Jets.
So to think Jones is the issue makes little sense if two previously successful coaches can all of a sudden fall so quickly ?
Ernie Merrick was terrible at Wellington and yet his record at Victory bar a season or two was successful including championships.

There is little evidence to suggest Jones is the issue and probably more evidence to suggest he's not.

All that aside tonight's effort was woeful - but as a Jets fan it was nothing we haven't seen before on a regular basis last season.
To beat the Jets you need to rough them up and Adelaide were very aggressive tonight from the opening whistle to the end of the game.

So when the Mariners go above us this week or next, will you admit that Jones is the problem? I mean if we spend more than the Mariners then that guarantees that we should finish above them right? Thats your logic.

Jets spend on par with both Adelaide and Brisbane, and spend more in back room staff than either team. The Bakries run Brisbane on the smell of an oily rag. Remember the owner provided Jones with more cash for recruitment in January and we did't spend it.

Its only the Sydney, Melbourne and Perth teams with the far greater resources.

[The Dunster]

And.......??????

The point remains that Jones has at his disposal, thanks to his predecessor, 2 of the best performing players in the league this season and a proven striker. That Nabbout and Hoole were unfancied just shows what a shrewd recruiter Miller was.

That Jones can not fashion an attack is all on him

And yet the teams that dumped these two players are running first and second in the competition.
Who is the proven striker ? Surely not Noddy - he's only scored 3 ****ing goals.

[The Dunster]

So when the Mariners go above us this week or next, will you admit that Jones is the problem? I mean if we spend more than the Mariners then that guarantees that we should finish above them right? Thats your logic.

Jets spend on par with both Adelaide and Brisbane, and spend more in back room staff than either team. The Bakries run Brisbane on the smell of an oily rag. Remember the owner provided Jones with more cash for recruitment in January and we did't spend it.

Its only the Sydney, Melbourne and Perth teams with the far greater resources.

Hang on. Now you are blaming Jones because there was no suitable Australian players available to buy in the transfer window ?
If he'd have brought in a player of questionable quality you would have been asking for his head as well.
My logic is not about spending more equalling success alone. It's a combination / mix of many things.
But anyone that didn't think money was the most important thing in bringing success to a football club is kidding themselves. Far too much evidence out there to think otherwise.
With respect to the Gypos overtaking us - they might - but ther are a lot of factors other than Jones to explain it.
The massive injury toll to key players put the club in a bad position from the start - and we still have several players either injured or failing to meet expectations .., Kanta and Labi are two prime examples.
The Coast have done ok injury wise in comparison and they might finish ahead of the Jets, and Okon may be considered better coach - but it is all speculation.
I don't care what any player or coach does at other clubs. It's what they can do at our club that counts.
Merrick did well at Victory but not so well at Wellington.
Arnold was shit for socceroos but great with Coast and Sydney......
Aloisi not so great at Heart - doing very well in Brisbane.....

Just way too many factors involved to hold a coach solely accountable for a teams success or failure.

I don't think Jones is all that great. I don't think our squad is very good, I don't think we have enough money.
The only thing I'm certain of is that Newcastle fans get the team they deserve every season.

[Wilso8948]

I don't think Jones is all that great. I don't think our squad is very good, I don't think we have enough money.

Well isn't this just the most truthful thing ever written on this forum.

[hawk]

I wish people would stop banging on about our squad not being good enough. It is easily as good as any side outside the top 4, first eleven and squad.

People just seem to use that as an excuse when we have nights like this.

It was simply not good enough. Adelaide are one of the worst sides I've seen in this league and we didn't come close to getting the job done.

parksey with another clanger.

"On paper" our side is/was one of the weakest in the league. Adelaide had a decent side.

Now, on the pitch we are playing better then they are although last nights hack fest shows that both are pretty dodgy. Due to the supposed salary cap most teams are not that far apart thus anyone can beat another on the day.

btw I think we are going ok and to expectation maybe a touch above. yes i have settled for mediocre

[380]

I don't hate on Jones but his efforts last night were no better that some of our players and lets get real here for just one moment in the fact that he got the gig because he and our Gypo CEO are as thick as thieves and i am also tipping the cheapest option at the time.

A few more nights like last night from Jones may well and truly see him drift into the wilderness like Stubbins. One crack at the big time wonders.

[StannyCFCJET]

parksey with another clanger.

"On paper" our side is/was one of the weakest in the league. Adelaide had a decent side.

Now, on the pitch we are playing better then they are although last nights hack fest shows that both are pretty dodgy. Due to the supposed salary cap most teams are not that far apart thus anyone can beat another on the day.

btw I think we are going ok and to expectation maybe a touch above. yes i have settled for mediocre

Adelaide's squad bar a few players is in no shape better then ours and their position reflects that. We have the players to do better bar some fulbacks and a better striker and for what ever reason they cant step up or the coach rev them up for cruical games

[The Dunster]

I don't hate on Jones but his efforts last night were no better that some of our players and lets get real here for just one moment in the fact that he got the gig because he and our Gypo CEO are as thick as thieves and i am also tipping the cheapest option at the time.

A few more nights like last night from Jones may well and truly see him drift into the wilderness like Stubbins. One crack at the big time wonders.

Lawrie MacKinna has been around a long time in football. Do you honestly think he'd put his reputation on the line for someone he didn't think was up to the job ? I doubt it.

[borat]

Hang on. Now you are blaming Jones because there was no suitable Australian players available to buy in the transfer window ?
If he'd have brought in a player of questionable quality you would have been asking for his head as well.
My logic is not about spending more equalling success alone. It's a combination / mix of many things.
But anyone that didn't think money was the most important thing in bringing success to a football club is kidding themselves. Far too much evidence out there to think otherwise.
With respect to the Gypos overtaking us - they might - but ther are a lot of factors other than Jones to explain it.
The massive injury toll to key players put the club in a bad position from the start - and we still have several players either injured or failing to meet expectations .., Kanta and Labi are two prime examples.
The Coast have done ok injury wise in comparison and they might finish ahead of the Jets, and Okon may be considered better coach - but it is all speculation.
I don't care what any player or coach does at other clubs. It's what they can do at our club that counts.
Merrick did well at Victory but not so well at Wellington.
Arnold was shit for socceroos but great with Coast and Sydney......
Aloisi not so great at Heart - doing very well in Brisbane.....

Just way too many factors involved to hold a coach solely accountable for a teams success or failure.

I don't think Jones is all that great. I don't think our squad is very good, I don't think we have enough money.
The only thing I'm certain of is that Newcastle fans get the team they deserve every season.
You are just making excuses again. Hundreds of factors yet you won't blame the fat controller.

There are 100's of Australian players out there to sign. Just that Jones & McKinna couldn't convince to come play for us. First is was Smeltz.........but the Nix with no manager are seemingly a better option. Then Bridge was the only player that we wanted.....eggs in 1 basket and all that.

Of course its everyone else's fault isn't it.

And to follow your analogy....what has Jones done at your club? Won 5 from 20 games and signed a youth league player and a state league player. Thats his record.

[borat]

In saying that, he has 7 games to turn around the season with 21 points up for grabs. If he can collect at least 13/21 then thats a reasonable haul for the season, if he drops below 10/21 then thats the sack imo. And of course Dunster you won't agree, but I am mildly confident Martin Lee won't settle for the "other factors" bollocks considering the money and resources he has made available since taking over.

[turbojetfireV8]

Fascinating how sections of this forum are defending Jones for performances like this which just are not good enough given our lack of tactics (or no tactics is probably closer to the mark).

Our shitness and obvious lack of critical analysis by Jones and co how to break them down was pretty much consistent throughout the match, not just the final 25 mins, we never looked like getting on top of them after about ten mins into the game, and had the opposition been last year's Adelaide squad we could well have been on another 7-0 hiding.

If we want to be serious contenders we not only need a few extra players to strengthen the squad, but Martin needs to invest in a decent coach as well.

Okon with less A League level coaching experience and inferior cattle to work with - bar maybe two exceptions - is outperforming Jones this season, and with Jones most likely underpreparing for this game I anticipate we'll either draw or lose at home to the gyppos (and I expect next to no crowd either as our inconsistency will turn them off coming to watch us lose to shit like the gyppos anyway).

Had Jones been made the assistant coach this season with someone like Mulvey as head I wouldn't have thought it a bad combo, but Jones hasn't shown the leadership or tactics to warrant keeping him next season, at least in the capacity of head coach. If the players actually 'shared his vision' by now and believed and maybe more importantly knew what they were doing as a team, we wouldn't be in the precarious position we are in, always one loss away from dropping another spot or two and falling further behind in the race for the finals. I think we have the cattle for the job but lack the direction, and if the coach can't keep them on track and help them maintain momentum and help psyche them up for the game, I think he needs to be the first change we make at the end of another failure of a season...

(***Sure I'd like to see us turn it around and will keep dreaming despite what I am seeing - and I think our dwindling crowds are voting with their feet on this - but this game was a reality check that we are underachieving and the coach has to ask himself what part of that falls at his feet)

[MFKS]

And.......??????

The point remains that Jones has at his disposal, thanks to his predecessor, 2 of the best performing players in the league this season and a proven striker. That Nabbout and Hoole were unfancied just shows what a shrewd recruiter Miller was.

That Jones can not fashion an attack is all on him

Proven striker with 3 goals to his name who rarely threatens and rarely gets involved most weeks

Two wingers who are either on fire or anonymous


Yes Miller was such a shrewd recruiter Jones doesnt have fullbacks at his disposal to use and has to perservere with Cowburn Hoffman and Mullen nor does he have adequate strikers to fill the bench or put pressure on the under performing Nordstrand for the starting gig


Yep it all Jones fault he come in 3 weeks out from the season and has had to utilise the dross Miller left him with

This aint Jones doing

It the prefecessor and the clubs fault


On another note what the pens awarded to us and against us stats in the last few seasons stats

If that was a penalty then Raheem Sterling should get one everytime he sneezes

[plague]

Lawrie MacKinna has been around a long time in football. Do you honestly think he'd put his reputation on the line for someone he didn't think was up to the job ? I doubt it.

What reputation? Hasn't the bloke lurched from one failure to another?

Whatever reputation he had he staked it on Jones. Performances like last night reflect on them regardless.

The gypos are poor and garbage but their coach has them playing better than us. Okon has improved the club since he's been there. Debateable if Jones has.

[380]

Lawrie MacKinna has been around a long time in football. Do you honestly think he'd put his reputation on the line for someone he didn't think was up to the job ? I doubt it.

I am sure our Gypo CEO thought plenty were up for the job. I also have no doubt there close relationship also had plenty to do with it.

I don't hate on Jones but some of his selections both first 11 and bench and the timing and the use of those bench players leave plenty of us asking the question WTF is he doing.

Like i said unless the bloke finds something very quickly this season could go real bad for him and his career as a first team coach in the A League could very well go quietly out the back door and over before it began and he will not have the quality of the squad cop out to leverage as some excuse.

[parksey]

But you say this with hindsight. Show me the post before the season started when you said Adelaide are going to fail to make the six ? Or indeed that they were one of the worst sides you had seen in the league ?

Coaching the Jets is like driving for Ferrari in F1. If you win it's the car and if you lose it was a bad drive.
The players had a lighter preparation this week due to the short turn-around. This was unavoidable and no doubt impacted on the team.

Sorry, where did I say anything about pre-season predictions?


parksey with another clanger.

"On paper" our side is/was one of the weakest in the league. Adelaide had a decent side.

Now, on the pitch we are playing better then they are although last nights hack fest shows that both are pretty dodgy. Due to the supposed salary cap most teams are not that far apart thus anyone can beat another on the day.

btw I think we are going ok and to expectation maybe a touch above. yes i have settled for mediocre

Nope, Adelaide lost half of their best players and replaced them with average A-League squaddies (Garuccio etc.) and a foreigner who didn't work out in the end.

The Jets have great depth in defence, decent enough midfielders and a pretty talented forward line. It's not Sydney's squad but it's easily on par with most sides.

[The Dunster]

What reputation? Hasn't the bloke lurched from one failure to another?

Whatever reputation he had he staked it on Jones. Performances like last night reflect on them regardless.

The gypos are poor and garbage but their coach has them playing better than us. Okon has improved the club since he's been there. Debateable if Jones has.

The Jets have a long way to go but aside from last night I've been for the most part entertained by how they have played.
Last night they didn't seem to be playing for the win - they were more or less trying to grind something out like you would against a better opponent.
Under Miller I had absolutely no desire to even watch football let alone attend a match. We bought season tickets and used them once.
A few players went missing last night and the result was we didn't score goals.
To be honest the way we played last night was how I expected us to play when we signed Jones as coach.
But for the most part he's had us attacking more so than playing cautiously.
Then in recent weeks talk all came back to clean sheets - and from then on we have pretty much killed our attack more than we have improved the defence.
For that I guess Jones is responsible.
I'd be happy if we went back to playing open attacking football and scoring goals - even if we don't win.
I'll start thinking about winning competitions when the money arrives.

[The Dunster]

In saying that, he has 7 games to turn around the season with 21 points up for grabs. If he can collect at least 13/21 then thats a reasonable haul for the season, if he drops below 10/21 then thats the sack imo. And of course Dunster you won't agree, but I am mildly confident Martin Lee won't settle for the "other factors" bollocks considering the money and resources he has made available since taking over.

I have no doubt Lee will show him the door. It's a pre-requisite of Jets ownership to create an unstable environment for players, coaches, and fans.
I mean the notion of not starting a season in a rebuilding phase is beyond the comprehension of any Jets fan.
And if Jones starts trying to grind out wins rather than throwing the dice and attacking I'll be happy to see him go.

[hawk]

Adelaide's squad bar a few players is in no shape better then ours and their position reflects that. We have the players to do better bar some fulbacks and a better striker and for what ever reason they cant step up or the coach rev them up for cruical games

I was reffering to strength on paper at seasons start before form had changed over the year.

At or near the start of the year both if squads are in a line and we could choose the best 14 for our team, I would nearlly guarauntee that I would have chosen at least 80% of reds players. imo of course, thus we would have been seen as around the lowest in the league. Coasties looked the worst of course.

actually, next year lets get all the starting line ups and rate them 1 to 10. and see where they end up. Yes some will differ a little.

[borat]

I was reffering to strength on paper at seasons start before form had changed over the year.

At or near the start of the year both if squads are in a line and we could choose the best 14 for our team, I would nearlly guarauntee that I would have chosen at least 80% of reds players. imo of course, thus we would have been seen as around the lowest in the league. Coasties looked the worst of course.

actually, next year lets get all the starting line ups and rate them 1 to 10. and see where they end up. Yes some will differ a little.

Adelaide lost key players just before the season started and recruited replacements right at the death. Reminded me a lot of our title defence preparation with now very similar results. I would have had them very close to our squad on paper.

[Wilso8948]

Lose 1-0 to the reigning champions at their home and everyone loses their minds. We played shit. Players, coaches everyone had an off night. No one bar our keeper put their body on the line.
People banging on bout how Okon is coaching the gypos so well. He's got a striker on fire with and average squad. We've got an average squad with a winger on fire every so often and we are all sitting at the same level on the table.
Jones tactics were shit last night. Other nights they've been great and worked well. Win some lose some time to move on.
Also good to see how much a "big name" signing like smeltz helped out the Nix tonight..

[borat]

I have no doubt Lee will show him the door. It's a pre-requisite of Jets ownership to create an unstable environment for players, coaches, and fans.
I mean the notion of not starting a season in a rebuilding phase is beyond the comprehension of any Jets fan.
And if Jones starts trying to grind out wins rather than throwing the dice and attacking I'll be happy to see him go.

I am all for recruiting a coach with a long term strategy not grabbing the CEO's mate 2 weeks before the start of the comp. Hopefully that takes place in around 2 months time.

[borat]

What reputation? Hasn't the bloke lurched from one failure to another?

Whatever reputation he had he staked it on Jones. Performances like last night reflect on them regardless.

The gypos are poor and garbage but their coach has them playing better than us. Okon has improved the club since he's been there. Debateable if Jones has.

Never a truer word spoken on the foz. The Gosford Council elections can't come soon enough for mine.

[borat]

Proven striker with 3 goals to his name who rarely threatens and rarely gets involved most weeks

You have just proven my point. Under Miller Nordstrand come in mid season and scores 4 goals. He looked potent, dangerous and he won us games. Under Jones he looks isolated, unsure of himself and scores 3 goals in 20 games.

The problem is not Nordstrand the problem is Jones and his tactics of sticking a striker upfront and expecting them too make miracles with no support.



Yes Miller was such a shrewd recruiter Jones doesnt have fullbacks at his disposal to use and has to perservere with Cowburn Hoffman and Mullen nor does he have adequate strikers to fill the bench or put pressure on the under performing Nordstrand for the starting gig


Yup Miller had the same fullbacks, signed by Stubbins/FFA might I add, and was able to get by. Jones gets an extra LB in Vujica and his genius approach is to play Dan Mullen at RB. Hellooooooo

[hawk]

The Jets have great depth in defence, decent enough midfielders and a pretty talented forward line. It's not Sydney's squad but it's easily on par with most sides.

bahahaha

not even close. Our first 4 backs are usually ok after those we are paper thin

[hawk]

A giant storm?


Nah, Hawk means we're playing against Taylor Regan. He's everywhere on the field.

A trap, A trap, we were walking into a trap. and we did. no-one paly clash anymore?

[borat]

Here is another question, with a 4 day turn around why did Jones not make any changes to the starting team to freshen them up. You have Brown sitting there on the bench with barely any minutes to his name over the previous month. Clut and/or Koutroumbis could have easily started.

Maybe you could justify it by saying they performed well against the Victory and he wanted to keep the same starting side. Ok, I don't agree with it but I can maybe see the logic. Then after seeing such a sluggish first half, he still doesn't make any changes, and he waits and makes the last 2 subs with 10 minutes or less to go. Its baffling and stubborn.

[Jeterpool]

A trap, A trap, we were walking into a trap. and we did. no-one paly clash anymore?

Oh. A trap.

If you'd have put a picture of mousetrap the board game then we may have got it

[Jeterpool]

You have just proven my point. Under Miller Nordstrand come in mid season and scores 4 goals. He looked potent, dangerous and he won us games. Under Jones he looks isolated, unsure of himself and scores 3 goals in 20 games.

The problem is not Nordstrand the problem is Jones and his tactics of sticking a striker upfront and expecting them too make miracles with no support.



Yup Miller had the same fullbacks, signed by Stubbins/FFA might I add, and was able to get by. Jones gets an extra LB in Vujica and his genius approach is to play Dan Mullen at RB. Hellooooooo

Nordstrand is being forced to drop deep to get the ball. He's got to do this because Leilei is not playing very well as a 10.

It's taking him out of the play and hence his ability to score. Get a better playmaker in and Nordstrand can stay up top

[sorefootballer]

Gotta stop comparing and or talking about miller. He is long gone and I'm sick of the shit some people carry on about. We have this team, we need to deal with it... Shit games and all. Comparing apples and oranges isn't going to get us to the 6 or the 7th spot..

[The Dunster]

Lei Lei, Boogs, and Brown will be unavailable for the game against the Gypos due to yellow cards.

I'd say that with the Gypos striker on fire and us going in with far from our best defensive lineup the season is pretty much over as we could effectively be fighting it out with Adelaide for the spoon.

The good news though is it will give the haters more chances to get stuck into Jones despite the fact key players will be missing.

If ever there was a time to play with two strikers this will be it.

[MFKS]

You have just proven my point. Under Miller Nordstrand come in mid season and scores 4 goals. He looked potent, dangerous and he won us games. Under Jones he looks isolated, unsure of himself and scores 3 goals in 20 games.

The problem is not Nordstrand the problem is Jones and his tactics of sticking a striker upfront and expecting them too make miracles with no support.



Yup Miller had the same fullbacks, signed by Stubbins/FFA might I add, and was able to get by. Jones gets an extra LB in Vujica and his genius approach is to play Dan Mullen at RB. Hellooooooo

You seriously need to get over your love in with Miller

He had his striker just as isolated. Trif was expected to perform same said miracles as Nordstrand is.

Keep hammering all you like that this is all Jones fault.

It isnt his squad and what he has at his disposal is a mediocre playing squad who are developing

We are limited in peak performances

But the good thing in is we are steady

Our biggest loss is by 2 goals

Most weeks we are in games even when we are losing.


It going to take time to develop a winning mentality from these ****s too

They have had the burden of no expectation for so long you now somehow expecting miracles that these ****ers are gling to be clinically ruthlessly precise in finishing teams off


I actually for once pretty happy with whete this club going and ut high time a few of you ****ers got off the clubs back here

[WolfMan]

I actually for once pretty happy with whete this club going and ut high time a few of you ****ers got off the clubs back here


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[Tommyjet]

Lei Lei, Boogs, and Brown will be unavailable for the game against the Gypos due to yellow cards.

I'd say that with the Gypos striker on fire and us going in with far from our best defensive lineup the season is pretty much over as we could effectively be fighting it out with Adelaide for the spoon.

The good news though is it will give the haters more chances to get stuck into Jones despite the fact key players will be missing.

If ever there was a time to play with two strikers this will be it.

Odonovan on 4 yellows so hopefully he gets one today against victory

[hawk]

Odonovan on 4 yellows so hopefully he gets one today against victory

or chopped.

Can we just win 3-0 for a change

[Bon]

Dammmn..
Went out for dinner and drinks instead of watching the game.
Still haven't seen the game.
After reading all of this, I think I'll keep it that way..

[monz6]

And.......??????

The point remains that Jones has at his disposal, thanks to his predecessor, 2 of the best performing players in the league this season and a proven striker. That Nabbout and Hoole were unfancied just shows what a shrewd recruiter Miller was.

That Jones can not fashion an attack is all on him

Correct me if I'm wrong but Nabbout paid to come here while having to trial. Hoole came back after unfortunately failing at Sydney. Miller didn't just decide to sign them because he's a good recruiter. These aren't amazing signings mate. If you don't think jones is doing a good enough job fair enough but stop putting Miller on this false pedestal. He also wasn't that good

[borat]

Lei Lei, Boogs, and Brown will be unavailable for the game against the Gypos due to yellow cards.

I'd say that with the Gypos striker on fire and us going in with far from our best defensive lineup the season is pretty much over as we could effectively be fighting it out with Adelaide for the spoon.

The good news though is it will give the haters more chances to get stuck into Jones despite the fact key players will be missing.

If ever there was a time to play with two strikers this will be it.

Every team deals with suspensions and injuries. Not everyone uses them as an excuse.

[borat]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Nabbout paid to come here while having to trial. Hoole came back after unfortunately failing at Sydney. Miller didn't just decide to sign them because he's a good recruiter. These aren't amazing signings mate. If you don't think jones is doing a good enough job fair enough but stop putting Miller on this false pedestal. He also wasn't that good

They signed because they wanted to play under the Manager. I don't even think Miller was that great a manager, although I give him credit for pulling a competitive team together with no resources. That Jones struggles to emulate to a rookie coach should tell you what his skills are like.

The drums are beating for Jones, the champagne is being put on ice and the masses are getting ready to dance in the streets. You can feel its coming

[borat]

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Oh the irony..........pretty sure its lost on membah

[The Dunster]

Every team deals with suspensions and injuries. Not everyone uses them as an excuse.

The bigger clubs don't have the problem because they have unlimited depth and the ability to get suspensions overturned. Or in the case of Sydney FC they simply have immunity from being cautioned let alone booked for tackles that would have had any of our players sent off.

As far as injuries go no other team in the competition suffered the injury toll the Jets did this season - and even if they did the bigger teams would have had the finances and influence over the FFA to bring in replacements under some new rule tailored to meet their needs.

Did you have a run in with Mark Jones ? Because your criticims seem to be somewhat personal and biased against him.

To the point that you may have worked with him or even been friends at some stage and had a falling out. Who knows ? It's not hard to get the rage levels up following this club.

[steve136]

Did you have a run in with Mark Jones ? Because your criticims seem to be somewhat personal and biased against him.

To the point that you may have worked with him or even been friends at some stage and had a falling out. Who knows ? It's not hard to get the rage levels up following this club.

Nah mate if borat knew him Jones would have hired him as his Assistant Coach this year. That's how things work around this club right?

[Mark325]

with Lei Lei and Brown not being able to be used for this game how would people line us up?

[The Dunster]

with Lei Lei and Brown not being able to be used for this game how would people line us up?

Clut for Lei Lei
Johnny K for Brown.

Kanta might be available as well - but difficult to see him getting put in ahead of Johnny K

[hawk]

Clut for Lei Lei
Johnny K for Brown.

Kanta might be available as well - but difficult to see him getting put in ahead of Johnny K

Probs better we give Jonny K more experience anyway. Kanta might be finished

[Mark325]

I feel like now would be as good a time as any to try nobby and Kokko together, run them up top together and see if it works

[Jeterpool]

I'd have Duncan, Hoff, Mullen, Jackson, Cowburn, Poljak, Stevie U-G, Clut, Nabbout, Hoole and Nordstrand

Bench Acarba, Koutroumbis, Kanta, Kokko and Allwright

[Mark325]

I'd have Duncan, Hoff, Mullen, Jackson, Cowburn, Poljak, Stevie U-G, Clut, Nabbout, Hoole and Nordstrand

Bench Acarba, Koutroumbis, Kanta, Kokko and Allwright

Yeah that's probably a good way to line them up and then have Kokko on for Nobby when he eventually tires
To an extent I'd maybe start kokko cause Nobby works well coming on as an impact player

[Hunter403]

Kokko at 9. Nordstand at 10. Clut for whichever fades first.
Duncan
Hoff Mullen Jackson Cowburn
Poljak Ugar Nordstrand
Hoole Kokko Nabbout

Bench
Johnny K
Clut
Allwright
Kanta or Haliti

We have to go at them. Kokko likely to be more effective with Nabbout and Hoole fresh. Nordstand as play maker could work well.

[StannyCFCJET]

Kokko wont start or play alongside Nordstrand. Jones only does like for like Subs not tactical ones. Johhny K to start at 10 or a higher up midfield role infront of Stevie Ug and Poijak. Sawyer or Kokko on the bench with clut Both to come on after 75-80 mins reguardless of the score

[Jetmaster]

Kokko wont start or play alongside Nordstrand. Jones only does like for like Subs not tactical ones. Johhny K to start at 10 or a higher up midfield role infront of Stevie Ug and Poijak. Sawyer or Kokko on the bench with clut Both to come on after 75-80 mins reguardless of the score

We know they won't, but they should - still recall the way we kicked into gear v Mariners last game when the two went at them, eventuating in Kokko's broken jaw. He was fit and firing that day.

[StannyCFCJET]

We know they won't, but they should - still recall the way we kicked into gear v Mariners last game when the two went at them, eventuating in Kokko's broken jaw. He was fit and firing that day.

100% agree they should. Shouldve been playing together season

[Mark325]

Kokko at 9. Nordstand at 10. Clut for whichever fades first.
Duncan
Hoff Mullen Jackson Cowburn
Poljak Ugar Nordstrand
Hoole Kokko Nabbout

Bench
Johnny K
Clut
Allwright
Kanta or Haliti

We have to go at them. Kokko likely to be more effective with Nabbout and Hoole fresh. Nordstand as play maker could work well.

I believe Vujica is healthy so I'd like to see him on over cowburn at lb for this game

[Jetmaster]

100% agree they should. Shouldve been playing together season

Problem is Jonesy will try it for 3 mins rather than 3 matches and deem it a failure.

[RAM]

Pathetic effort. Shame on any of you who thought we'd be playing finals football this year. 5 wins in 20 games, we're lucky this league doesn't have relegation. A rich owner that won't spend, a coach who's only credentials are being the CEO's mate, a captain who is suspended most of the time, strikers who don't score goals, wingers who can't cross, and worst of all fans who whinge about everything, even the shape of our hats.

Fold the club.......