16/17 HAL Round 22 | Newcastle Jets v Brisbane Roar | Sun 5th Mar 2017 7:00pm

[Jeterpool]

A-League 16/17 Round 22 Preview - Newcastle Jets v Brisbane Roar

FIXTURE FACTS

Overall – 36 matches between the two teams.
Jets Wins - 14, Roar Wins - 13, Drawn - 9


In Newcastle – 19 matches.
Jets Wins - 4, Roar Wins - 9, Drawn - 6
In Brisbane - 17 matches
Jets Wins - 10, Roar Wins - 4, Drawn - 3

Average Home A-League Crowd – 9714
Average Away A-League Crowd - 11436

Goals in Fixture
Jets – 43, Roar - 44
In Newcastle -
Jets – 20, Roar - 31

1st Goals in Fixture
Jets – 19, Roar - 15

Cards in Fixture
Jets - 83 (76 yellow, 7 red), Roar 52 (48 yellow, 4 red)

Recent Form (A-League)
Jets - WLDLD (5 points from last 15)
Roar - WDDDL (6 points from last 15)

Leading Scorers
Jets - Andrew Nabbout (7)
Roar – Jamie Maclaren (11)

Last Result -
Newcastle Jets 3 (Hoole 45+1', Nabbout 72, Nordstrand 84') - Brisbane Roar 2 (Oar 15', Maclaren 82' pen) at Suncorp Stadium, A-League, Round 14, Season 2016/17

Starting line-ups from Last Meeting in Season 2016/17 Round 14

Newcastle JetsBrisbane Roar
Jack DuncanMichael Theo
Jason HoffmanJack Hingert
Nigel BoogaardJade North
Lachlan JacksonLuke DeVere
Nick CowburnCorey Brown
Wayne BrownMatt McKay
Steven UgarkovicThomas Kristensen
Mateo PoljakDimitri Petratos
Andrew HooleTom Oar
Andrew NabboutThomas Broich
Morten NordstrandJamie Maclaren



FIXTURE RECORDS


Biggest Win

Jets 4 (Hingert 8' o.g, Boogaard 62', Ugarkovic 71', Clut 86') – Roar 0 at McDonald Jones Stadium, Round 2, Season 2016/17, 16/10/2016.

Heaviest Defeat

Jets 0 – Roar 5 (Reinaldo 10’, Richter 44’, Brosque 52’, McKay 83’, Murdocca 90+1’), Round 20, Season 2005/06 at Energy Australia Stadium, 26/01/2006.

Leading Scorers in fixture –


Jets - Joel Griffiths (8)
Roar - Reinaldo (7)



2016/17 SEASON STATISTICS

NumberNameAppearancesStartsSubstitute AppearancesSubbed offMinutes PlayedGoalsAssistsYellow CardsRed - Second BookableStraight Red
2Daniel Mullen11101190400100
3Jason Hoffman201912168610200
4Nigel Boogaard151501131421500
5Ben Kantarovski853349101000
6Steven Ugarkovic191813157610600
7Andrew Hoole202000180052600
8Mateo Poljak201646145310100
9Aleksandr Kokko1046433610100
10Wayne Brown171434123221500
11Labinot Haliti312011600000
12Andy Brennan21119500000
12Harrison Sawyer30304700100
13Ivan Vujica1091377500100
15Andrew Nabbout181716144874300
16Nick Cowburn131121103900000
18Ma Leilei1376667912500
19Morten Nordstrand1714310120932100
20Jack Duncan202000180000000
22Lachlan Jackson11101187700200
23Devante Clut18711668912000
24Kristian Brymora1010600000
26Iain Fyfe330220500100
28John Koutroumbis1899192000400



COACHING

Coaches Head to Head – 2 matches
Mark Jones - 2 wins, John Aloisi - 0 wins, 0 drawn

Newcastle Jets A-League Coaching Records –

Mark Jones - 2 matches (2 wins, 0 drawn, 0 losses = 1% win ratio)
Scott Miller - 3 matches (0 wins, 2 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Phil Stubbins - 3 matches (0 wins, 0 drawn, 3 losses = 0% win ratio)
Gary Van Egmond - 17 matches (9 wins, 3 drawn and 5 losses = 53% win ratio)
Richard Money - 3 matches (1 win, 0 drawn, 2 losses = 33% win ratio)
Branko Culina - 6 matches (1 wins, 4 drawn, 1 losses = 17% win ratio)
Nick Theodorakopoulos - 1 match (0 wins, 0 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Craig Deans - No Matches
Clayton Zane - 1 match (1 win, 0 drawn, 0 loss = 100% win ratio)

Brisbane Roar Coach Record – John Aloisi 22% win ratio (2 wins, 3 drawn, 4 losses)




TALKING POINTS:


General

Newcastle have a chance to complete a clean sweep against Brisbane, by winning all 3 games against the Roar in the season.
13 different players have scored the 13 goals for the Jets across the last 3 seasons.
Newcastle are undefeated at home in the last 6 matches.



Players

Aleksandr Kokko became the 71st goal scorer for the Jets in the A-League. This was also the 200th goal scored by the Jets at MJ Stadium
Tomislva Arcaba (149) and Joel Allwright (150) made their A-League debuts for the club.
John Kourtroumbis remains 1 yellow card from an automatic 1 weeks suspension.
Jason Hoffman became the 24th Jets captain in the A-League.

[hawk]

Yawn, another sleepy Sunday game. Wake me at 7.01

[plague]

Going to Adelaide to try not to get murdered.
Don't care about the game.

Grimario, any tips?

[Jeterpool]

It will be interesting to see how the Roar now approach this game after last night's result. They fielded a full strength line up but came up short. The last time they played us late in the season during their ACL committments they fielded a youth team - who went on the beat us 2-1 thanks to a late Lachlan Jackson goal.

I think the Roar will try to dominate possession, as they do, and this will fit our game well because we will look to hit them quickly on the counter. I expect a number of changes too.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Lose, doomed, seasons over. Finish 7th at best, probably 9th, below the scum.

Jones out. etc.

[halo se7en]

Must win

[Hunter403]

If ever the Roar were ripe for the picking, it is this weekend. Consequently, we will lose badly.

[hawk]

Must win

there it is. cash out onto other team

[RAM]

If ever the Roar were ripe for the picking, it is this weekend. Consequently, we will lose badly.

They'll be angry, we'll be submissive.

[RAM]

Lose, doomed, seasons over. Finish 7th at best, probably 9th, below the scum.

Jones out. etc.

x2

[boz-monaut]

nah, I reckon they'll win this game - just so they can drag on the hope for just that bit longer before they totally and utterly disappoint their fans

probably by losing to the Mariners on 9 April

[Grimario]

nah, I reckon they'll win this game - just so they can drag on the hope for just that bit longer before they totally and utterly disappoint their fans

probably by losing to the Mariners on 9 April

We will do that but still have a mathematical chance of finals in the last game against Sydney, needing another game to go our way and then needing to beat Sydney by 3. We will lose 1-0, have less shots but Jones will be happy with the effort.

[Jeterpool]

THE REFEREE: – Jarred Gillett

The Jets record under Gillett is 6 win, 5 draws and 9 losses.
The Jets recent record under Gillett over the last 3 seasons is 3 wins, 2 draws and 1 loss.
He has booked 46 Jets player, while booking 27 opposition players.
He has sent of 2 Jets players and 2 opposition players in all games played.
He has awarded 6 penalties for both the Jets and opposition.

[evanhayes5]

Watched training today, fairly certain he will keep the same back 4, Kanta in for Mateo, Browny as the 10 and either nabbout or morten outwide, both had equal time in shape stuff they did.

jack duncan didnt train only did some small stuff with the physio

[StannyCFCJET]

Watched training today, fairly certain he will keep the same back 4, Kanta in for Mateo, Browny as the 10 and either nabbout or morten outwide, both had equal time in shape stuff they did.

jack duncan didnt train only did some small stuff with the physio

Kanta in for Poijak FMD what games are Jones watching

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Kanta in for Poijak FMD what games are Jones watching

Any Coach that picks Kanta should be shot on sight. Useless, both of them.

[StannyCFCJET]

Any Coach that picks Kanta should be shot on sight. Useless, both of them.

Poijak is doing ok but this constant subbing him off at 60mins and with his reaction last week after being subbed I can see a blowup between him and Jones coming soon

[Mark325]

Watched training today, fairly certain he will keep the same back 4, Kanta in for Mateo, Browny as the 10 and either nabbout or morten outwide, both had equal time in shape stuff they did.

jack duncan didnt train only did some small stuff with the physio

so Hoole may not be playing?

[WolfMan]

Late callup for T. Puddle. Could be the difference maker

[baldrick]

Late callup for T. Puddle. Could be the difference maker


Haven't see TPud for a while. A real game changer.

[Hunter403]

T Puddle doesn't like the new surface.

[hawk]

T Puddle doesn't like the new surface.

We,ve treated puddle terribly. deserved better

[halo se7en]

Haven't see TPud for a while. A real game changer.

Wasn't Puddle's only other appearance against Brisbane? Omen.

[Jeterpool]

Wasn't Puddle's only other appearance against Brisbane? Omen.

I had in my profile footer for ages a post from Boz.

Middleby let him go for nothing to the middle eat to help the WSW in the ACL

[MFKS]

Kanta in for Poijak FMD what games are Jones watching

Based on last weeks game you would pick Kanta over Poljak

So what game you watching??

We had no Control of that game whilst Poljak was on the park

As soon as he got hooked Kanta ruled the middle and we controlled the game

So based on form

Kanta 1
Poljak 2

[MFKS]

If today's crowd is listed over 3k then someone is taking the piss.

[MFKS]

How good is it that Boogaard has been benched and Johnny K is finally getting his just rewards ??

About ****ing time

[hawk]

How good is it that Boogaard has been benched and Johnny K is finally getting his just rewards ??

About ****ing time

nuh. thats poor.

anyway, im awake with a java now

[Wilso8948]

Not a pen. But beautiful stuff

[westjet]

How is it not a pen? He tackled from behind and collected the player. Doesnt matter if he touches the ball or not. Tackles from behind were outlawed years ago.

[MFKS]

Not a pen. But beautiful stuff
It ok

We can put Boogaard on later and level it up if need be

[steve136]

Wow. Absolutely ridiculous from the ref.

[westjet]

Was that for the foul or kicking the ball away?

[weston]

Wtf just happened?

[steve136]

Wtf just happened?

First Hoffo yellow for stupidly punching the ball after free kick. Second free kick determined to be another yellow 30 seconds later. Jones furious and sent off too. Yay Jets.

[Hunter403]

Oh for the old KB chants of "who's your father" and "the referee' a wanker".

Miss the old days

[weston]

First Hoffo yellow for stupidly punching the ball after free kick. Second free kick determined to be another yellow 30 seconds later. Jones furious and sent off too. Yay Jets.

I didnt see the first yellow but how the **** was that second "foul" even a foul. THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!!! **** me sideways. NOT EVEN A FOUL!!!

Hopefully Jones told the fourth official what a shit c$$t the referee was.

[steve136]

I didnt see the first yellow but how the **** was that second "foul" even a foul. THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!!! **** me sideways. NOT EVEN A FOUL!!!

Hopefully Jones told the fourth official what a shit c$$t the referee was.

Yeah ridiculous. He's entitled to turn and chase the ball just like the attacker.

[Wilso8948]

How is it not a pen? He tackled from behind and collected the player. Doesnt matter if he touches the ball or not. Tackles from behind were outlawed years ago.
Because Kokko stuck his leg completely in between the defenders leg. Totally intentional. Take your Jets shaped glasses off

[weston]

Yeah ridiculous. He's entitled to turn and chase the ball just like the attacker.

I can only think that the reason for the second yellow was for something like 2 fouls in quick succession. But the arguement is still there.... How is that a foul??

[weston]

Because Kokko stuck his leg completely in between the defenders leg. Totally intentional. Take your Jets shaped glasses off

Agree with you. But other teams do it and get away with it so why can't we?

[Wilso8948]

I can only think that the reason for the second yellow was for something like 2 fouls in quick succession. But the arguement is still there.... How is that a foul??
It wasn't a foul. He accidentally slapped the attacker in the face and the ref fell for it

[halo se7en]

Was the second yellow for kicking the ball away again after the foul was given?

[Wilso8948]

Agree with you. But other teams do it and get away with it so why can't we?
I never said I wasn't happy about it. We've been robbed all year. About time a stupid decision went our way.

Don't worry the status quo returned about 20 mins later

[Wilso8948]

Was the second yellow for kicking the ball away again after the foul was given?
Nope. First was punching the ball away in anger. Second was deemed a foul

[westjet]

Because Kokko stuck his leg completely in between the defenders leg. Totally intentional. Take your Jets shaped glasses off

Got nothing to do with jet shaped glasses - has to do with a tackle from behind being penalised. Doesnt matter what the attacker does if you tackle from behind and make contact it will be given all the time (with consistent referees that is).

[weston]

Nope. First was punching the ball away in anger. Second was deemed a foul

I seen replays for punching the ball away. **** me dead that same shit happens every week.

Did Hoff get into bed with the ref's mrs or something? He's got something against him thats for sure.

[halo se7en]

Nope. First was punching the ball away in anger. Second was deemed a foul

Yeah the second one, but I thought the ref only pulled the card out once Hoffman booted the ball downfield after the whistle went. Surely the foul itself wasn't a yellow.

[monz6]

Yeah the second one, but I thought the ref only pulled the card out once Hoffman booted the ball downfield after the whistle went. Surely the foul itself wasn't a yellow.

Ref told commentator it was for the foul

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Ahahaha this refs a joke.

[steve136]

How do we simultaneously have nobody in front of the ball to move it, but not enough people behind the ball to defend at all?

Soft penalty. Dumb from Hoole though.

[belchardo]

Ffs hoole! Soft as shit, but the ref clearly hates us so why give him a chance?

[weston]

WTF is this shit about video ref being brought in for round 26??

[Wilso8948]

Got nothing to do with jet shaped glasses - has to do with a tackle from behind being penalised. Doesnt matter what the attacker does if you tackle from behind and make contact it will be given all the time (with consistent referees that is).
He slid in to clear the ball. It wasn't even a tackle. Kokko runs infront and dangles his leg between the blokes legs. It wasn't a pen. And if that's the way it's going then anyone can exploit the shit outta the rules.

[halo se7en]

Ref ****ed this game as soon as he made it 10 v 11.

[steve136]

Ref ****ed this game as soon as he made it 10 v 11.

Absolutely. At the same time, it is a shame our players forget they're still allowed to pass to each other the second we go down to 10.

[Hunter403]

Every week that wrestling shit goes on. No ref calls it, ever...until tonight.

[belchardo]

Riddle me this: why is punching the ball a yellow for dissent, but marching 15m to scream in the refs face, like mackay just did, not?

For the record, i think it was a yellow for dissent for hoff. ****ing stupid, but no way was it even a free kick for the second yellow

[halo se7en]

Absolutely. At the same time, it is a shame our players forget they're still allowed to pass to each other the second we go down to 10.

That too.

[steve136]

Hoole always wanting to go inside before receiving a pass and never making runs along the wing is going to cause my death.

[halo se7en]

Riddle me this: why is punching the ball a yellow for dissent, but marching 15m to scream in the refs face, like mackay just did, not?


Because Jets.

[belchardo]

Every week that wrestling shit goes on. No ref calls it, ever...until tonight.

Ah, but you see the FFA needed some cover after the shit ACL results this week, so they need the roar to win.

[Wilso8948]

Stupid giveaway from Poljak lead to that goal. Unforgivable when you're already up against it

[belchardo]

Boogs to the rescue.

[Hunter403]

Poljak you goose!

[Hunter403]

Thought Kokko did well tonight

[belchardo]

Can't stop chuckling about jones blowing up about one of the subs clayton made.

[Wilso8948]

Thought Kokko did well tonight
I did too. However I still fail to see how Kokko is any different in quality or type of player to trifunovic. And he would have had a year ahead to adjust etc which has proven to be so hard for visa players

[steve136]

I did too. However I still fail to see how Kokko is any different in quality or type of player to trifunovic. And he would have had a year ahead to adjust etc which has proven to be so hard for visa players

To be fair to Kokko, he hasn't missed a load of absolute sitters one on one yet, like his predecessor Triffo.

[Hunter403]

Moronic!

[steve136]

Thank god we got Boogard on in time for his weekly monumental f*ck up

[Wilso8948]

To be fair to Kokko, he hasn't missed a load of absolute sitters one on one yet, like his predecessor Triffo.
On the flip side. Trif got himself in much better positions and converted a lot too. Albeit more game time

[steve136]

On the flip side. Trif got himself in much better positions and converted a lot too. Albeit more game time

Very true.

[belchardo]

Riddle me this: why is punching the ball a yellow for dissent, but marching 15m to scream in the refs face, like mackay just did, not?

For the record, i think it was a yellow for dissent for hoff. ****ing stupid, but no way was it even a free kick for the second yellow

Also for the record, grabbing the ball and shoving it in the refs face is apparently also not dissent.

[Nou Camp]

Thought the game was over when kanta came off for boogard
Hoole or brown should've come off and move Jackson to left back
Kout was doing so well at cb
Keep the two defensive mids to break up the play
Didn't think we did too bad in the first half with 10 men were still creating some chances

[MFKS]

Time for the Chinese hitmento come in

Hey I will accept on the balance of play we didn't deserve the win

Problem was that ****wit Gillette handed everything to them

What's worse is this shit club will take it laying down


How many times we cop BS like that ??

[hawk]

I can only think that the reason for the second yellow was for something like 2 fouls in quick succession. But the arguement is still there.... How is that a foul??

On that occassion the Ref was either wanting Brisbane to win or massiveliy incompetent. he can choose

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Can't stop chuckling about jones blowing up about one of the subs clayton made.

that was a replay of jones during a previous attack we buggered. they just happened to show it as we were making the sub

[Jetmaster]

Just a reminder the Brisbane born ref has previous form...

[belchardo]

that was a replay of jones during a previous attack we buggered. they just happened to show it as we were making the sub

Thanks for ruining the only ****ing worthwhile thing to come out of the game! :gent:

[MFKS]

Just a reminder the Brisbane born ref has previous form...

Does his girlfriend still work at the Roar or is he married to her now ??

He gonna be getting the leg over for certain after tonight's effort though

[The Dunster]

Ten players or not they had a lead and failed to protect it. Boogaard was terrible once again and a massive liability up against anyone with even a hint of pace.
The substitutions tonight as usual completely defy any logical explanation.
Club needs to spend a lot of money in the off-season otherwise this abortion of a club will be bottom of the table.

The players we have are simply not good enough as they lack consistency and turn to shit as soon as any pressure is applied.
Hoffman knew the ref was a first class dickhead so regardless of his red being soft or not he should not have rolled the dice like he did.

Anyway, the good news is the season is finally over, so now the management, players and coaching staff can start brainstorming their excuses for why the team will once again miss the finals.

[Jeterpool]

Kudos to Arcaba tonight. He was great.

[Jetmaster]

Hoole's head us in another place....can't see him doing much the rest of this season.

[Stryker]

hoffman dissent by action yellow- just dumb from someone who is meant to be leading the team. if he reacts to the decision like a senior player, he doesnt get sent off a minute later for a 2nd yellow and red card for striking an opponent- doesnt need to be intentional, raised arm to opponents face, simple decision in the end
surely there is a more senior player who would be a better choice as captain in boogards absence

[Hunter403]

McLaren man of the match. That will do me. What a joke!

[MFKS]

hoffman dissent by action yellow- just dumb from someone who is meant to be leading the team. if he reacts to the decision like a senior player, he doesnt get sent off a minute later for a 2nd yellow and red card for striking an opponent- doesnt need to be intentional, raised arm to opponents face, simple decision in the end
surely there is a more senior player who would be a better choice as captain in boogards absence



No way the arm making contact is even remotely an issue here.

The thing that should be questioned is the diving ****wit who made a meal of it and tried and succeeded to con the referee

The bloke is a cheating diving grub

Hoffman is quite entitled to get his body between the ball and opponent which is exactly what he should do in this situation.

Referee and Diving grub are the two that are in the wrong here.

[MFKS]

McLaren man of the match. That will do me. What a joke!

Umm how the **** was Jared Gillette overlooked for it??

**** Me

[sammydog]

So, is Gillet still with this chick? http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/aleague-referee-jarred-gillett-may-be-barred-from-brisbane-roar-games-due-to-conflict-of-interest/news-story/e3b2d0369223ab51d9bf79316d367ba6

She s still media manager at the roar.

------edit------ Just saw the members earlier post.


No way the arm making contact is even remotely an issue here.

The thing that should be questioned is the diving ****wit who made a meal of it and tried and succeeded to con the referee

The bloke is a cheating diving grub

Hoffman is quite entitled to get his body between the ball and opponent which is exactly what he should do in this situation.

Referee and Diving grub are the two that are in the wrong here.

Watched the replay and I still cant see what Hoffman did wrong, he changed direction towards the ball. Roar player tries to run through him, takes a dive and our game and possibly the season is gone.

[Stryker]

Referee and Diving grub are the two that are in the wrong here.

Why does Hoffman blow up over a fk by punching the ball away to get a silly yellow card? What does he achieve? Why would he put himself and his team in a position where he could potentially be sent off? poor discipline.
Why does hoole wrap his arms around a player who is reknowned for going down easy on contact in the box? this was more of a turning point in the match. up until then the roar were lucky to hit the target.

[MFKS]

Why does Hoffman blow up over a fk by punching the ball away to get a silly yellow card? What does he achieve? Why would he put himself and his team in a position where he could potentially be sent off? poor discipline.
Why does hoole wrap his arms around a player who is reknowned for going down easy on contact in the box? this was more of a turning point in the match. up until then the roar were lucky to hit the target.

So Hoole grabbing someone in the box has nothing to do with Hoffman getting sent so I struggle to see why you bringing this to the table

As for Hoffman whether his first card was warranted is not the discussion.

It is the second card and subsequent red card that the issue.

No way did Hoffman attack the Roar player with his arms.

No way did he even foul him by getting in the way as he is entitled to hold position

So exactly what did Hoffman do wrong to actually get the second yellow??

Nothing

A diving grub of a player successfully conned the ref and succeeded in winning the game for his side on his play acting

As for the ****wit with the whistle. He showed his incompetence repeatedly with his officiating being Chris Beath like

[Stryker]

No way did Hoffman attack the Roar player with his arms.

No way did he even foul him by getting in the way as he is entitled to hold position

So exactly what did Hoffman do wrong to actually get the second yellow??



roar attacker puts the ball past hoffman. hoffman turns and uses his arms to make himself bigger to impede the attacker. his left arm swings back and makes contact with the roar players face. hoffman didnt have control of the ball or have it within playing distance when he made contact with the attacker. impeding with contact. he plays the player first not the ball. if you watch the replay with 2 eyes, not one, its plain as day.

post match- jones agrees it was a foul but not a yellow, aloisi says it was a foul and 2nd yellow. whether you take aloisi's biased opinion or not, they both agree there was a foul there.

[MFKS]

The only bloke who played the player was the diving grub who hit the deck

He wasn't elbowed at all

There was no contact to knock him to the ground

He went appealing for a foul and succeeded in conning the referee with his play acting as he fell theatrically to the floor

Everyone quick to hammer diving grubs like Berisha but what is different here??

Nothing

The bloke cheated to get an opponent sent off and your sticking up for him

[sammydog]

roar attacker puts the ball past hoffman. hoffman turns and uses his arms to make himself bigger to impede the attacker. his left arm swings back and makes contact with the roar players face. hoffman didnt have control of the ball or have it within playing distance when he made contact with the attacker. impeding with contact. he plays the player first not the ball. if you watch the replay with 2 eyes, not one, its plain as day.

post match- jones agrees it was a foul but not a yellow, aloisi says it was a foul and 2nd yellow. whether you take aloisi's biased opinion or not, they both agree there was a foul there.

Hoffman may not have had control, but he was moving toward the ball with the attacker behind him. He was moving to the ball, not impeding.

After the ball was put past Hoffman, he turned to play the ball. I can not see how you would interpret that as impeding or obstructing. When the attacker subsequently ran up the back of him.....thats not in hoffmans control. The attacker made a meal of it and Gillet ate it up. Hoffman made no attempt to play the player, thats why he had turned to move to the ball.

Jones was in damage control, he had been sent. Any further signs of dissent and he was gone for a while. He wasn't going to say anything stupid.

[skullboy]

roar attacker puts the ball past hoffman. hoffman turns and uses his arms to make himself bigger to impede the attacker. his left arm swings back and makes contact with the roar players face. hoffman didnt have control of the ball or have it within playing distance when he made contact with the attacker. impeding with contact. he plays the player first not the ball. if you watch the replay with 2 eyes, not one, its plain as day.

post match- jones agrees it was a foul but not a yellow, aloisi says it was a foul and 2nd yellow. whether you take aloisi's biased opinion or not, they both agree there was a foul there.

FMD. have ever watched a game of football before? You need to learn the rules before you enter into debates about the rules.

Hoffmann doesn't have to get out of the way of a player behind him trying to get to the ball. It doesn't matter one iota whether he has control of the ball or is anywhere near the ball, he doesn't have to get out of the way. Arana fouls him from behind and cops an accidental arm at the top of the chest, not the face.

The one thing you did get right - clear as day.

[skullboy]

Because Kokko stuck his leg completely in between the defenders leg. Totally intentional. Take your Jets shaped glasses off

He pulled his leg back to take a shot. Goals to his left, backswing from the right. Simple really. And as has previously been said - if you tackle from behind and get the ball but also make contact with the player its a foul. Every time. Just ask Boogs.

[Wilso8948]

He pulled his leg back to take a shot. Goals to his left, backswing from the right. Simple really. And as has previously been said - if you tackle from behind and get the ball but also make contact with the player its a foul. Every time. Just ask Boogs.

It wasn't a strike. They had a close up on fox. He dangles his leg in there. Looking for the contact. I agree you tackle from behind it's a foul. Problem here chief is it wasn't a tackle. He kicks the ball out and Kokko puts himself in the situation. Ref conned just like the Hoffman instance.

Can tell most of the foz members are stryykkkerrrs jeez.

[Jetmaster]

For someone to get two yellows in quick succession, the second needs to be water tight, like a studs up for example. Good refs will usually give a quick "that's your last chance" warning.

And this is the problem here - consistency. There was a game earlier in the season where Brosque got 3-4 warnings after a yellow and didn't get sent. Saw the same with Broxham in another game.

I am totally against VAR, make the refs accountable and lift their game first.

[Jeterpool]

For someone to get two yellows in quick succession, the second needs to be water tight, like a studs up for example. Good refs will usually give a quick "that's your last chance" warning.

And this is the problem here - consistency. There was a game earlier in the season where Brosque got 3-4 warnings after a yellow and didn't get sent. Saw the same with Broxham in another game.

I am totally against VAR, make the refs accountable and lift their game first.

Agree. Consistency is the key. L:ike the Broich penalty - if the referees consistently police it then fine, award it. That sort of stuff happens all the time in the box but is never pulled up. I heard murmurrings around me that it was a square up.

Was nice to see the crowd respond a bit last night to try and build the team up following the dismissal.

[pv4]

Riddle me this: why is punching the ball a yellow for dissent, but marching 15m to scream in the refs face, like mackay just did, not?

Fair question. I put it down to even more referee inconsistency.

[pv4]

For someone to get two yellows in quick succession, the second needs to be water tight, like a studs up for example. Good refs will usually give a quick "that's your last chance" warning.

I disagree. A yellow card is a yellow card, regardless of what the player has already. I despise the "ease" of refs handing out players first cheese (particularly at 75 mins onwards, even for subs who haven't had a game full of warnings), but the insane reluctance to give the 2nd. It is severe double standards and just so, so inconsistent. Refs all over the world are criminals at this.

But, I didn't see Hoffman's second yellow as even a foul, let alone a yellow card offence. So in this example, IMO it should have just been play on.

But if Hoffman survived that challenge, and did something "minor" but yellow card worthy, I am all for the ref to give him a yellow and therefore a red.

[pv4]

Fwiw I thought the team really dug deep when down to 10 men. We weren't any shitter than we were, or usually are, with 11 men. So fair play, we hung in there as much as we probably would have with the extra man.

I agree fully with Wilso about our pen - not even close to a pen. Corey Brown doesn't go between Kokko's legs, and doesn't kick Kokko before getting the ball, so by definition he gets the ball from Kokko's side. It just so happened that Kokko trailed his leg sideways to make contact with Brown. Winning the ball cleanly, and then getting kicked by a bloke, is never a foul. But it is nice to have some favour go to us though.

[Macca]

I used to agree with you, and still do hate the fact that before 30 minutes in a game you usually have to murder someone to get a yellow card, where as you said last 20 minutes they hand them out like candy.

But it goes along the same lines as the change where they no longer hand out a red card and a penalty unless its seriously bad, because its just too big an impact on the game. My mate who has done some reffing has told me it has nothing to do with refs being consistent and he readily admits that they change their behaviour game to game, because its more about them managing the game and allowing a good fair contest than it is policing everything to the letter of the law, the best word to use is discretion.

In the same way that refs don't usually card people for swearing at a decision they disagree with, if its sort of.. general frustration, while they are well within their rights to.

When it was put to me this way I changed my opinion, and do agree with the sentiment that if someone is gonna get a second yellow within a few minutes it needs to be well worth it. Not something that's controversial to even be a foul.

I'm obviously biased but the reffing seemed so against us last night. Hoffmans first, ok its allowed but you see way worse go unpunished every week. Kokko got carded for putting his arms up after being fouled for the umpteenth time (as far as I can tell?) and getting no joy all evening. Meanwhile they had a couple of cynical fouls or timewasting / dissent actions the ref ignored. Its too easy to say it but it really does feel like we got stitched up this week.

[pv4]

But it goes along the same lines as the change where they no longer hand out a red card and a penalty unless its seriously bad, because its just too big an impact on the game.

FFV put up a video on youtube explaining new rules. Two rules that are "new" that were interesting is if a player denies a clear goal scoring opportunity outside of the box, instant red (existing rule). But if IN the box a player denies a clear goal scoring opportunity but attempts to get the ball, it is only a yellow. But if he/she denies a clear goal scoring opportunity but doesn't attempt to get the ball, straight red.

A day later I watched Manny Muscat escape a "clear" red card offence v Sydney FC by denying a clear goal scoring opportunity in the box and not attempting to get the ball. But luckily for karma-sake, Muscat was stupid enough to man handle Brosque not long after and earn his second yellow.

[RAM]

Ref ****ed the game.

PV4 is technically right, but not in the commonsense application of the laws of the game. Hope he's not a ref.

Our pen was soft and so was theirs. But instead of being able to go blow for blow with the Roar, we were reduced to containment by a silly red card.

Season over.

[Wilso8948]

he readily admits that they change their behaviour game to game, because its more about them managing the game and allowing a good fair contest than it is policing everything to the letter of the law, the best word to use is discretion

Ah this always concerns me. A ref is a ref. Not God, not a player, not a coach and certainly not anyone who should have any emotional or opinion on the outcome of any game. I've had a ref once say to me "I think a draw is a pretty fair result". Sorry but they should have no opinion whatsoever on the result.

[Wilso8948]

Ref ****ed the game.

PV4 is technically right, but not in the commonsense application of the laws of the game. Hope he's not a ref.

Our pen was soft and so was theirs. But instead of being able to go blow for blow with the Roar, we were reduced to containment by a silly red card.

Season over.

Agree with everything bar the season being over. I don't really believe we will make the finals however I'm willing to hold off on writing them off until its mathematically impossible. Wanderers really were that bad this weekend and until we can't catch them then there's always a chance.

Won't matter though as 6th will be out first week of the finals anyway.

[pv4]

Ah this always concerns me. A ref is a ref. Not God, not a player, not a coach and certainly not anyone who should have any emotional or opinion on the outcome of any game. I've had a ref once say to me "I think a draw is a pretty fair result". Sorry but they should have no opinion whatsoever on the result.

A ref told me yesterday when watching the Jerks game that refs distinguish between a foul whenever, and a foul when an attack is "promising". Apparently if the Hoffman second yellow challenge happened further back in the field it would have been only a foul. But because the attack was "promising" it was a yellow, according to the ref.

That level of subjectivity just pains my brain.

[Macca]

I think you're taking that one a bit far by implying he decided the scores should be level and took actions to make that the case. A ref can have his opinion (separate to how he officiates the game) on how the game went.

I'm not saying refs should treat teams differently. Just that if you are reffing an under 16s game with some blokes who are 45kg and some 90 you can't just let the huge kids go around breaking bones. You usually get a picture of the "physicality level" of a match at some point and ref it to that, as long as both teams are happy with where its set at you usually have a good game with few complaints. That's what I meant by allowing a fair contest. If one team is chopping the other to pieces and the ref thinks its fine but the other team doesn't, then things can go downhill, and this is where the game management and discretion need to be used. I hate refs that want to be the star of the show, but these situations are when you can appreciate a ref wanting to establish on what terms the game is to be played early in the piece.

Don't get me wrong this has nothing to do with the Jets game last night. Personally it seems like the ref had a chip on his shoulder about players not respecting him, and chose to inflate his ego largely at our expense. What could have been a thrilling end to end game was ruined as a result (again, not that refs chief priority should be to produce an entertaining game)

[Macca]

A ref told me yesterday when watching the Jerks game that refs distinguish between a foul whenever, and a foul when an attack is "promising". Apparently if the Hoffman second yellow challenge happened further back in the field it would have been only a foul. But because the attack was "promising" it was a yellow, according to the ref.

That level of subjectivity just pains my brain.

I agree with weighting different fouls differently, that's how professional fouls came to be policed. For me though an attack needs to be extremely promising for the foul to warrant a yellow if it was a genuine attempt to play the ball and just a regulation foul. Otherwise every foul in the attacking half may as well be yellow. He was about to shoot sir!

[Jetmaster]

Agree with everything bar the season being over. I don't really believe we will make the finals however I'm willing to hold off on writing them off until its mathematically impossible. Wanderers really were that bad this weekend and until we can't catch them then there's always a chance.

Won't matter though as 6th will be out first week of the finals anyway.

Last five games, only one at home and the last one away to the Smurfs. I'm prepared to say season over.

The ONLY way we would make it is to win these three games - Wellington, Wanderers and Mariners, not draw, win. MC is a chance I suppose based on history.

[MFKS]

Last five games, only one at home and the last one away to the Smurfs. I'm prepared to say season over.

The ONLY way we would make it is to win these three games - Wellington, Wanderers and Mariners, not draw, win. MC is a chance I suppose based on history.

It's the Jets.

Season was over before it ****ing started

Let's not kid ourselves it wasn't

Our squad is and never was good enough to compete at the level required

[pv4]

I've had a ref once say to me "I think a draw is a pretty fair result".

Similar story in IDs, our team crossed the ball and it hit an opposition players arm. We all appeal for handball. Ref says, distinctly, "nope, I'm not giving a penalty this late in the game. A draw is a fair result and I'm not changing that".

After the game I asked him (in what I thought was a polite enough manner) how I can formally request to have the referees association look into particular referees and he told me to "fxxx off". I've asked several refs since about it and apparently the ref in question is "too high up in the chain" for anyone to bother with it, and even if an inquisition of sorts happened, nothing would eventuate. He must have helped run the place or something, I dunno. Why can't all refs just be great like Digby ffs.

[ForeverRed]

Why did we stop playing after halftime, one man down isn't the end of the world, I was disappointed we didn't have a red hot go, play three at the back and try your luck, you can't park the bus all day and expect to hold on

[Grimario]

Why did we stop playing after halftime, one man down isn't the end of the world, I was disappointed we didn't have a red hot go, play three at the back and try your luck, you can't park the bus all day and expect to hold on

It's not like we were short of centre backs either given we have had one starting at right back for ages, one on the bench and then another bloke who has played there plenty in Kanta.

[MFKS]

Thing to remember with the reshuffle and Boogaard coming on

Kanta has been out injured 2-3 months and the plan may have been 50-60 mins only

Hoffman's red may have ****ed it all

[Stryker]

FMD. have ever watched a game of football before? You need to learn the rules before you enter into debates about the rules.

Hoffmann doesn't have to get out of the way of a player behind him trying to get to the ball. It doesn't matter one iota whether he has control of the ball or is anywhere near the ball, he doesn't have to get out of the way. Arana fouls him from behind and cops an accidental arm at the top of the chest, not the face.

The one thing you did get right - clear as day.

watch the replay. contact is made with the face first and then the chest.

why is there still ppl saying its not a foul? both coaches agree it was a foul. have you read the rules lately or ever? agreed that hoffman doesnt have to get out of the way, but he cant use his arms to stop the attacker going for the ball. call it impeding, call it striking, call it holding. defenders dont like being beat and will use there arms especially when the ball isnt within playing distance. hoffman rolled the dice and got stung.

pretty stupid to attract the referees attention by punching the ball away in the first place. if he doesnt do that he doesnt get sent off 2 mins later. blame the ref as much as you like, but hoffman made a meal of it and cost the team

[Wilso8948]

Love the whole.. "have you read the rules lately??" with the opposed coming back with "have you read the rules lately?" without either really knowing the rules..

and I'm all like "na bra I've got better things to do with my time then sit back and immerse myself in hundreds of pages of utter dribble".

Edit - Then I realise I'm sitting on this forum.

[pv4]

pretty stupid to attract the referees attention by punching the ball away in the first place. if he doesnt do that he doesnt get sent off 2 mins later. blame the ref as much as you like, but hoffman made a meal of it and cost the team

Agreed it was stupid.

Keen to watch the next time Gillett refs Melbourne Victory - Besart Berisha will be getting handed yellows like there's no tomorrow because he does what Hoff did there all the time.

[MFKS]

watch the replay. contact is made with the face first and then the chest.

why is there still ppl saying its not a foul? both coaches agree it was a foul. have you read the rules lately or ever? agreed that hoffman doesnt have to get out of the way, but he cant use his arms to stop the attacker going for the ball. call it impeding, call it striking, call it holding. defenders dont like being beat and will use there arms especially when the ball isnt within playing distance. hoffman rolled the dice and got stung.

pretty stupid to attract the referees attention by punching the ball away in the first place. if he doesnt do that he doesnt get sent off 2 mins later. blame the ref as much as you like, but hoffman made a meal of it and cost the team
Once again

What he done 1 minute earlier is irrelevant
The punching the ball away was dealt with and he was given a yellow

Is the 2nd card a yellow??

No way in the world

It not a yellow if you haven't been booked
It not a 2nd yellow if you have

The only petulance was the ****wit with the whistle who proceeded to blow it when he didn't need to and not blow it when he should have.

Rather bizarre the decisions were all one way yet you show no interest in questioning his impartiality.

I seen games before where we copped a shit call or two
Gee that game Beath ****ed is in Geelong was a good example.

But the way Gillette screwed us last night wasn't one just one call. They kept going all night long

Our blokes were getting knocked flying no FK
There blokes got the slightest contract and they got a FK

McKay running around giving him a gobful everytime he didn't like a call and he goes unpunished

Calling it for what it is BULLSHIT

FFA want WSW in the playoffs and will do what they can to help them there

[Jeterpool]

Our blokes were getting knocked flying no FK
There blokes got the slightest contract and they got a FK

McKay running around giving him a gobful everytime he didn't like a call and he goes unpunished



This I agree with. There was shirt pulling the very next corner for the Jets and we got nothing. Maybe we aren't as cunning in our ability to make the foul look real?

McKay mouthing off constantly is also valid.

Kokko seemed to have a really physical battle and when he finally got a call go his way he was booked for what I assume was commenting on that fact.

I thinka few players will be glad for the controversy because there were some, in my opinion, who don't have the spotlight on them because of the hoo-ha caused by the referee.

[StannyCFCJET]

lets all agree Mullen can NEVER play right back again and Im vert hesitant to let him play centre back as well

[MFKS]

This I agree with. There was shirt pulling the very next corner for the Jets and we got nothing. Maybe we aren't as cunning in our ability to make the foul look real?

McKay mouthing off constantly is also valid.

Kokko seemed to have a really physical battle and when he finally got a call go his way he was booked for what I assume was commenting on that fact.

I thinka few players will be glad for the controversy because there were some, in my opinion, who don't have the spotlight on them because of the hoo-ha caused by the referee.

I don't agree we not good enough to sell it

Take that game v Adelaide the other week.

That cocksucker who dived in studs up yet only gets a yellow

Hoffman gets red for that last night


It is the complete lack of consistency from these ****ers that gets me.

Where exactly is the payback coming our way because I don't see it.

Shit call after shit call goes against us and no ****er from the club actually has the balls to call the FFA out on it

Gypo CEO needs to deliver here.

It is either better quality hookers and coke for the match day officials or he needs to let MrLee know about it and get the Chinese involved in dealing with screwing him over

[Jetmaster]

Take Berisha's red against Brisbane a few weeks back that caused uproar and got overturned. Or Zlatan on the weekend. This arm in the face thing is another pox on the game, no consistency.

[Stryker]

Take Berisha's red against Brisbane a few weeks back that caused uproar and got overturned. Or Zlatan on the weekend. This arm in the face thing is another pox on the game, no consistency.

Berisha's arm didnt make contact with the face whereas hoffmans arm did. agreed the assistant ref got that one wrong and it was correctly overruled. MRP will determine if the ref got this one wrong but i doubt they will overturn due to the evidence.

[Stryker]

FFA want WSW in the playoffs and will do what they can to help them there

if that was the case, why does poppa complain about the refs getting the calls wrong each week? WSW had a legitimate goal denied by the ref on the weekend and they had a draw. your theory is off

so the pen awarded to the jets was screwing us??? it led to the first goal in the game, not a complimentary pen at the end of the game when its lost

[MFKS]

if that was the case, why does poppa complain about the refs getting the calls wrong each week? WSW had a legitimate goal denied by the ref on the weekend and they had a draw. your theory is off

so the pen awarded to the jets was screwing us??? it led to the first goal in the game, not a complimentary pen at the end of the game when its lost

Poppa complains each week as he under pressure to keep his job and the results ain't coming as he been found out as a coach

And we see who makes the playoffs

It won't be us even if the refs leave us alone as we ain't good enough.

WSW will get there