16/17 HAL Round 26 | Jets v Gypos - F3 Derby #41 | Sun 9th Apr 2017 5:30pm

[Jeterpool]

A-League 16/17 Round 26 Central Coast Mariners v Newcastle Jets

FIXTURE FACTS

Overall – 40 matches between the two teams.
Jets Wins - 11, Mariners Wins - 13, Drawn - 16


In Newcastle – 20 matches.
Jets Wins - 7, Mariners Wins - 4, Drawn - 9
In Gosford - 19 matches
Jets Wins - 3, Mariners Wins - 9, Drawn - 7

Average Home A-League Crowd – 12304
Average Away A-League Crowd - 10864

Goals in Fixture
Jets – 37, Mariners - 48
In Gosford -
Jets – 15, Mariners - 30

1st Goals in Fixture
Jets – 20, Mariners - 17

Cards in Fixture
Jets - 98 (94 yellow, 4 red), Mariners 57 (52 yellow, 5 red)

Recent Form (A-League)
Jets - DLLLL (1 point from last 15)
Mariners - DLLLL (1 points from last 15)

Leading Scorers
Jets - Andrew Nabbout (8)
Mariners – Roy O'Donovan (11)

Last Result -
Newcastle Jets 1 (Kokko 20') - Central Coast Mariners 1 (Galloway 50') at McDonald Jones Stadium, A-League, Round 21, Season 2016/17

Starting line-ups from Last Meeting in Season 2016/17 Round 21

Newcastle JetsCentral Coast Mariners
Tomislav ArcabaPaul Izzo
Daniel MullenStorm Roux
John KoutroumbisLiam Rose
Lachlan JacksonJacob Poscoliero
Jason HoffmanScott Galloway
Mateo PoljakNick Montgomery
Steven UgarkovicJake McGing
Morten NordstrandFabio Ferreira
Andrew HooleKwabena Appiah-Kubi
Andrew NabboutRoy O'Donovan
Aleksandr KokkoConnor Pain



FIXTURE RECORDS


Biggest Win

Jets 4 (Nordstrand 1', Alivodic 18', Nordstrand 54', Poljak 79') - Mariners 2 (Ferreira 51' pen, O'Donovan 76') Round 27, Season 2015/16 at Central Coast Stadium, 09/04/2016.

Heaviest Defeat

Jets 1 - (Coveny 85') - Mariners 4 (Gumprecht 4', Brown 34', Hutchinson 72', 83'), Round 16, Season 2005/06 at Express Advocate Stadium, 31/12/2005.

Leading Scorers in fixture –


Jets - Joel Griffiths (6)
Mariners - Matt Simon (6)



2016/17 SEASON STATISTICS

NumberNameAppearancesStartsSubstitute AppearancesSubbed offMinutes PlayedGoalsAssistsYellow CardsRed - Second BookableStraight Red
2Daniel Mullen151321121900100
3Jason Hoffman232213188810210
4Nigel Boogaard191811162421700
5Ben Kantarovski1073561401000
6Steven Ugarkovic232214193110600
7Andrew Hoole242402212152600
8Mateo Poljak231766156510100
9Aleksandr Kokko1376750810100
10Wayne Brown211836154521800
11Labinot Haliti413012500000
12Andy Brennan21119500000
12Harrison Sawyer40407500100
13Ivan Vujica1091377500100
15Andrew Nabbout222116180884300
16Nick Cowburn141131106100000
18Ma Leilei1578673612500
19Morten Nordstrand2116510144732200
20Jack Duncan232300207000000
22Lachlan Jackson151411123700300
23Devante Clut18711668912000
24Kristian Brymora1010600000
26Iain Fyfe330220500100
28John Koutroumbis211292114500400
29Joel Allwright20202200000
50Tomislav Arcaba220018000000



COACHING

Coaches Head to Head – 2 matches
Mark Jones - 0 wins, Paul Okon - 0 wins, 2 drawn

Newcastle Jets A-League Coaching Records –

Mark Jones - 2 matches (0 wins, 2 drawn, 0 losses = 0% win ratio)
Scott Miller - 3 matches (2 wins, 1 draw, 0 losses = 67% win ratio)
Phil Stubbins - 3 matches (0 wins, 2 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Gary Van Egmond - 17 matches (6 wins, 6 drawn and 5 losses = 35% win ratio)
Richard Money - 3 matches (1 wins, 0 drawn, 2 loss = 33% win ratio)
Branko Culina - 6 matches (1 win, 2 drawn, 3 losses = 17% win ratio)
Nick Theodorakopoulos - 1 match (0 wins, 1 drawn, 0 losses = 0% win ratio)
Craig Deans -1 Match (1 win, 0 drawn, 0 loss = 100% win ratio)
Clayton Zane – 2 matches (0 wins, 0 drawn, 2 losses = 0% win ratio)

Central Coast Mariners Coach Record – Paul Okon 0% win ratio (0 wins, 2 drawn, 0 losses)



TALKING POINTS:


General

The Jets have conceded 15 goals since they last scored. The Australian football record stands at 17. (Credit Andy Howe - @andyhowestatto)
Neither team has collected a point in the A-League since the last F3 derby at Hunter Stadium.
A win for the Jets will consign the Mariners to their second consecutive wooden spoons.
The Jets are undefeated in the F3 derby in 911 days.



Players

Wayne Brown will miss the F3 derby due to an accumulation of 8 yellow cards resulting in a one (1) match ban.
Mateo Poljak is in line to make his 50th appearance for the club.
Nigel Boogaard is one yellow card from an automatic one-week suspension.
Ben Kantarovski could play his 16th F3 derby - the 3rd most appearances



Newcastle Jets

Newcastle have never lost 5 consecutive A-League matches.
Newcastle have lost their last 5 away matches.
Two more cards for the Jets will see them break 100 cards in this fixture.



Central Coast Mariners

Just 6 Mariners players have received bookings in the last 8 derbies. :bs:

[StannyCFCJET]

Brown missing is a good thing if it means Clut will come in as our #10 but I fear Hoole or Ma will play there

[plague]

Shit sandwich.
Don't care.

[Bon]

Ahhhhh who cares.. Jones doesn't.. Just another game apparently.. :brrr:

[StannyCFCJET]

Ahhhhh who cares.. Jones doesn't.. Just another game apparently.. :brrr:

Add to the fact he was Assistant when we won the league makes this even worse

[pv4]

Keen for the Legends game beforehand. May or may not hang around for the main game. Hard to get motivated for a Derby that our coach openly doesn't care about. Just another game, innit Jonesy?

[StannyCFCJET]

Keen for the Legends game beforehand. May or may not hang around for the main game. Hard to get motivated for a Derby that our coach openly doesn't care about. Just another game, innit Jonesy?

Oh forgot about the legend game. Do we think our players will be embarrassed by the passion our Legends will show?

[Jeterpool]

Keen for the Legends game beforehand. May or may not hang around for the main game. Hard to get motivated for a Derby that our coach openly doesn't care about. Just another game, innit Jonesy?

It won't be a full game. With a kick off at 3:30 and the A-League game starting at 5:00, I'd expect maybe 20-25 minute halves or one 45 minute half.

[pv4]

It won't be a full game. With a kick off at 3:30 and the A-League game starting at 5:00, I'd expect maybe 20-25 minute halves or one 45 minute half.

Legends game, back to Gosford Hotel for post-Legends drinks & watching the main game on the telly box. Beauuuutiful

[Bon]

I wonder if a certain foz regular is going to watch the game this year, or is just planning on passing out and sleeping in a toilet cubicle for the entire game like last year? :pissup: :gent:

[Jeterpool]

Wouldn't it be great to see a repeat of the final game last year and how the fans celebrated post match :) :)

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Wouldn't it be great to see a repeat of the final game last year and how the fans celebrated post match :) :)

Not going to happen. We don't have passion for the F3 Derby anymore, because the coach doesn't care about it.

Just. Another. Game.

[Jeterpool]

Not going to happen. We don't have passion for the F3 Derby anymore, because the coach doesn't care about it.

Just. Another. Game.

It's reflective of the level of confidence in the club at the moment that we haven't even considered another response like this

[MFKS]

FFS

Harden the **** Up

They are only Gypos

We can beat these ****s on Sunday as they are no better than us.

Save the defeatist attitude to shit can the club on the foz as per usual

But Fire the **** Up for Sunday

Don't let the wankers at Jets HQ take OUR passion for beating the Gypos from us.

Till your last breath always hating the Coast

[StannyCFCJET]

FFS

Harden the **** Up

They are only Gypos

We can beat these ****s on Sunday as they are no better than us.

Save the defeatist attitude to shit can the club on the foz as per usual

But Fire the **** Up for Sunday

Don't let the wankers at Jets HQ take OUR passion for beating the Gypos from us.

Till your last breath always hating the Coast

You can have passion but still be a realist. Only way we win on Sunday is scoring 3+ goals Mariners WILL score atleast 2 goals against our shit defense, We need to figure out how to score. If have to play 3 strikers and just pump it into the box all day so be it

[pv4]

FFS

Harden the **** Up

They are only Gypos

We can beat these ****s on Sunday as they are no better than us.

Save the defeatist attitude to shit can the club on the foz as per usual

But Fire the **** Up for Sunday

Don't let the wankers at Jets HQ take OUR passion for beating the Gypos from us.

Till your last breath always hating the Coast

Cool your jets pal, it's just another game.

[Bon]

I'm wondering how Member hasn't lost his sh!t over Jones saying that, yet I would imagine it would have been the end of the world if Miller or Stubbins had muttered such insolence..

[Jetmaster]

Someone surely need to take a sign saying "it's just another game.."

[pv4]

Mark Jones - just another coach

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Just another thread.

[StannyCFCJET]

Just another season

[Grimario]

I'm wondering how Member hasn't lost his sh!t over Jones saying that, yet I would imagine it would have been the end of the world if Miller or Stubbins had muttered such insolence..

He glosses over the negatives quite conveniently.

[pv4]

Skimming the stats, this game is nailed on to be a draw.

Just another set of stats though.

[MFKS]

He glosses over the negatives quite conveniently.

I ain't glossing over anything
Jones has to do more next season


The club has to be doing more next season

I not particularly worried about Jones and having an emotional dummy spit because we lost some games or don't make the semis

I stockpiling my dummy spit for when/if it required

And the subject ain't Jones

The subject will be .........

[MonkeyKplunk]

Please elaborate as to why this game should be more than "just another game"?
I don't recall either team having strong junior pathways that they've been drawing on for seasons, and thus have teams full of talented locals who would remember the Derbies of 10 years ago when the players all cared and played weekly for the Gold strip.

I also don't recall every other game during the season being of lesser importance. Was there some kind of memo or media announcement I missed that declared this a double points round?

[Jeterpool]

Please elaborate as to why this game should be more than "just another game"?
I don't recall either team having strong junior pathways that they've been drawing on for seasons, and thus have teams full of talented locals who would remember the Derbies of 10 years ago when the players all cared and played weekly for the Gold strip.

I also don't recall every other game during the season being of lesser importance. Was there some kind of memo or media announcement I missed that declared this a double points round?

:blink:

[MFKS]

Cool your jets pal, it's just another game.

No it's ****ing not

Sunday is not just any game

It a high stakes affair where we lose and those ****s hand us the wooden spoon

On the other hand we win and it going to be the best day since 24.2.08

We get the chance to hand the Gypos a wooden spoon personally on their own turf

That is a prize I rate highly


Just another game??

[The Dunster]

I ain't glossing over anything
Jones has to do more next season


The club has to be doing more next season

I not particularly worried about Jones and having an emotional dummy spit because we lost some games or don't make the semis

I stockpiling my dummy spit for when/if it required

And the subject ain't Jones

The subject will be .........

The club has already said they are fully behind Mark Jones so there's no chance he's going to be here next season.

[Bon]

Please elaborate as to why this game should be more than "just another game"?
I don't recall either team having strong junior pathways that they've been drawing on for seasons, and thus have teams full of talented locals who would remember the Derbies of 10 years ago when the players all cared and played weekly for the Gold strip.

I also don't recall every other game during the season being of lesser importance. Was there some kind of memo or media announcement I missed that declared this a double points round?

Maaaaate, are you serious??


Just another game??

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic, all good Member..

[Jeterpool]

No it's ****ing not

Sunday is not just any game

It a high stakes affair where we lose and those ****s hand us the wooden spoon

On the other hand we win and it going to be the best day since 24.2.08

We get the chance to hand the Gypos a wooden spoon personally on their own turf

That is a prize I rate highly


Just another game??

He was taking the piss about Jones' comments

[pv4]

No it's ****ing not

Sunday is not just any game

It a high stakes affair where we lose and those ****s hand us the wooden spoon

On the other hand we win and it going to be the best day since 24.2.08

We get the chance to hand the Gypos a wooden spoon personally on their own turf

That is a prize I rate highly


Just another game??

It's as if you're saying there is a level of importance to Sundays game. Something on the line. Something for the players to play for. Something to avoid (the spoon - and get this when you read it Lowey.. Jones's CV looks a hell of a lot worse with a spoon on it as opposed to 9th..). Something for the fans to fangirl for. Something that holds a lot of emotional meaning to a large amount of people supporting either team. Something more than just another game.

But I will link it and quote it again:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/video/football/a-league/hoole-cops-it-from-coach!616106


Derby? I don't care. It's just another game.

[Grimario]

No it's ****ing not

Sunday is not just any game

It a high stakes affair where we lose and those ****s hand us the wooden spoon

On the other hand we win and it going to be the best day since 24.2.08

We get the chance to hand the Gypos a wooden spoon personally on their own turf

That is a prize I rate highly


Just another game??

Your Lord and Saviour, Mark Jones, is the one who has called it just another game. Where is your vitriol for that, Member? Did you miss pv4 making a snide sarcastic remark at your hero's expense?

[plague]

This is by far the Members best thread performance ever.

Rivalling his WC diary.

Bloke is playing chess while everyone else playing checkers.

KUTGW

[MFKS]

It's as if you're saying there is a level of importance to Sundays game. Something on the line. Something for the players to play for. Something to avoid (the spoon - and get this when you read it Lowey.. Jones's CV looks a hell of a lot worse with a spoon on it as opposed to 9th..). Something for the fans to fangirl for. Something that holds a lot of emotional meaning to a large amount of people supporting either team. Something more than just another game.

But I will link it and quote it again:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/video/football/a-league/hoole-cops-it-from-coach!616106

No I couldn't give a flying **** about getting another spoon at this club

What I am saying is this is the greatest opportunity we have had in Newy football since 24.2.08

Prize that day was to win the comp. Griff delivered

Prize on 9.4.17 will be to hand the Gypos the spoon on their own turf.

That like written in the stars fairytale stuff.

9 seasons of shite can be forgotten if these ****s manage to deliver for one ****ing game

[StannyCFCJET]

This is by far the Members best thread performance ever.

Rivalling his WC diary.

Bloke is playing chess while everyone else playing checkers.

KUTGW

So if the players have to do as their ****ing told, Do they have to treat it as just another game as well?

[Grimario]

If the internet has taught me anything, this is where I post the Starbucks girl I can't even meme or something.

[StannyCFCJET]

No I couldn't give a flying **** about getting another spoon at this club

What I am saying is this is the greatest opportunity we have had in Newy football since 24.2.08

Prize that day was to win the comp. Griff delivered

Prize on 9.4.17 will be to hand the Gypos the spoon on their own turf.

That like written in the stars fairytale stuff.

9 seasons of shite can be forgotten if these ****s manage to deliver for one ****ing game

You sir have been beaten down by the years of rubbish served up by the jerks.

[halo se7en]

No I couldn't give a flying **** about getting another spoon at this club

What I am saying is this is the greatest opportunity we have had in Newy football since 24.2.08

Prize that day was to win the comp. Griff delivered

Prize on 9.4.17 will be to hand the Gypos the spoon on their own turf.

That like written in the stars fairytale stuff.

9 seasons of shite can be forgotten if these ****s manage to deliver for one ****ing game

You realise if we were sitting in say 5th, we'd still be in a position to hand them the spoon. We didn't have to be 9th to do it.

[pv4]

So if the players have to do as their ****ing told, Do they have to treat it as just another game as well?

https://img.memesuper.com/f9cc21d7c66558403b1dc62e9480ee94_mind-blown-keanu-reeves-meme-mind-blown-meme-face_551-549.jpeg

[Bon]

No I couldn't give a flying **** about getting another spoon at this club

What I am saying is this is the greatest opportunity we have had in Newy football since 24.2.08

Prize that day was to win the comp. Griff delivered

Prize on 9.4.17 will be to hand the Gypos the spoon on their own turf.

That like written in the stars fairytale stuff.

9 seasons of shite can be forgotten if these ****s manage to deliver for one ****ing game

So you don't care if we get the spoon, but you do care if they get it??
Weren't we a major part of handing the spoon to the Mariners last year (under Miller), yet no praise there?

I don't think I'm the only one that is starting to get pretty confused with the contradictions..

[pv4]

Jerks Twitter is using the hashtag #F3Derby but should it instead be #JustAnotherGame ?

[StannyCFCJET]

https://img.memesuper.com/f9cc21d7c66558403b1dc62e9480ee94_mind-blown-keanu-reeves-meme-mind-blown-meme-face_551-549.jpeg

OMFG HAHAHAHAHAHA FMD :lulzturtle::lulzturtle::lulzturtle::lulzturtle::l ulzturtle::lulzturtle::lulzturtle::lulzturtle:

[StannyCFCJET]

So you don't care if we get the spoon, but you do care if they get it??
Weren't we a major part of handing the spoon to the Mariners last year (under Miller), yet no praise there?

I don't think I'm the only one that is starting to get pretty confused with the contradictions..

Basically Member is using the excuses Mckinna said the new coach couldnt use, Not his squad, Not much money this year so sounds like Mckinna needs to sack the Member

[MFKS]

You realise if we were sitting in say 5th, we'd still be in a position to hand them the spoon. We didn't have to be 9th to do it.

Being in 9th and getting it if we lose is required.

This is basically us putting all our chips in the pot here.

If the cards don't come up our way we Bust.

They are in the same boat.

This is the stuff movies are made about

[MFKS]

So you don't care if we get the spoon, but you do care if they get it??
Weren't we a major part of handing the spoon to the Mariners last year (under Miller), yet no praise there?

I don't think I'm the only one that is starting to get pretty confused with the contradictions..

They will not be handing us a spoon at Stade de Newy by beating us on our own patch.

We on the other hand have the opportunity to hand it to them on their turf.

That is priceless once in a generation opportunity

I think the Gypos got the spoon past year based on their own incompetence.

Had very little to do with us or Miller

[Wilso8948]

This is the stuff movies are made about
Yes.









..really really shit ones..

[pv4]

Yes.









..really really shit ones..

Pretty sure it was this exact ladder position & point of the season that the Mighty Ducks came from to win.

Pray that the Panthers get measles, boiz

[Grimario]

They will not be handing us a spoon at Stade de Newy by beating us on our own patch.

We on the other hand have the opportunity to hand it to them on their turf.

That is priceless once in a generation opportunity

I think the Gypos got the spoon past year based on their own incompetence.

Had very little to do with us or Miller

Who gives a **** about a bunch of caravan dwelling inbred ****s? If that's the highest achievement we can hope for, no ****ing wonder this club is in the toilet.


"Oh ****ing yay, we can not finish last by beating the other team that is!! WE ARE THE GREATEST!!!"


**** this club and **** this mentality. We should be aspiring to be so far above them that they aren't relevant. We should be aspiring to be Man Utd in the the Leeds vs ManU rivalry where we don't give a shit about them. But no, let's be happy with 9th as long as we win a ****ing derby.

[pv4]

This is by far the Members best thread performance ever.

Rivalling his WC diary.

Bloke is playing chess while everyone else playing checkers.

KUTGW

But chess & checkers are played on the same board. Not an accurate analogy

[StannyCFCJET]

Im really looking forward to the Legends game. Thats the real main event

[MFKS]

Who gives a **** about a bunch of caravan dwelling inbred ****s? If that's the highest achievement we can hope for, no ****ing wonder this club is in the toilet.


"Oh ****ing yay, we can not finish last by beating the other team that is!! WE ARE THE GREATEST!!!"


**** this club and **** this mentality. We should be aspiring to be so far above them that they aren't relevant. We should be aspiring to be Man Utd in the the Leeds vs ManU rivalry where we don't give a shit about them. But no, let's be happy with 9th as long as we win a ****ing derby.

Glad to see I have inspired you.

Your precisely right we should be achieving more

But where we are at the moment this is the only achievement we can muster until next season.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Im really looking forward to the Legends game. Thats the real main event

No griff and no Jobe. Hardly a "Legends" game...

Kinda like this weekends game now, just another game.

[MFKS]

Im really looking forward to the Legends game. Thats the real main event

No it's not.

The main event is us fans aiming up and inspiring the useless Jets over the line after a good session at the pub

[plague]

But chess & checkers are played on the same board. Not an accurate analogy

It's actually the perfect analogy.

[StannyCFCJET]

No it's not.

The main event is us fans aiming up and inspiring the useless Jets over the line after a good session at the pub

We turn up every week the players dont seem to notice/care

[Grimario]

Glad to see I have inspired you.

Your precisely right we should be achieving more

But where we are at the moment this is the only achievement we can muster until next season.

You haven't inspired me at all. Your attitude and frothing at the mouth fans like you coupled with the inept on and off field antics is pretty much the reason the Jets are dead to me.


I'm only here to talk music with Bon and FM with Stanny.

[StannyCFCJET]

You haven't inspired me at all. Your attitude and frothing at the mouth fans like you coupled with the inept on and off field antics is pretty much the reason the Jets are dead to me.


I'm only here to talk music with Bon and FM with Stanny.

Glad to see I can be of service

[MFKS]

You haven't inspired me at all. Your attitude and frothing at the mouth fans like you coupled with the inept on and off field antics is pretty much the reason the Jets are dead to me.


I'm only here to talk music with Bon and FM with Stanny.

Your taking the fact no one wants to talk disc golf to heart

[hawk]

I'm wondering how Member hasn't lost his sh!t over Jones saying that, yet I would imagine it would have been the end of the world if Miller or Stubbins had muttered such insolence..
100%


No it's ****ing not

Sunday is not just any game

It a high stakes affair where we lose and those ****s hand us the wooden spoon

On the other hand we win and it going to be the best day since 24.2.08

We get the chance to hand the Gypos a wooden spoon personally on their own turf

That is a prize I rate highly


Just another game??

But your best mate doesnt see it as anything major. You must acknowledge that this is atrocious and plastic. go on you can do it.

[Jeterpool]

You haven't inspired me at all. Your attitude and frothing at the mouth fans like you coupled with the inept on and off field antics is pretty much the reason the Jets are dead to me.


I'm only here to talk music with Bon and FM with Stanny.

You talk disc golf with yourself too

[Grimario]

You talk disc golf with yourself too

I've recruited disc golfers from here... so it's worked.

[Jeterpool]

I've recruited disc golfers from here... so it's worked.

You're bipolar? :p

[Superdylan]

I still cannot believe we are in the position for the wooden spoon.

I know we had alot of draws this season but until we played brisbane at the start of march no one else had beaten us at home this season apart from the unstoppable Sydney fc who are more then likely going to win the league.

Our form of wins against Glory away, Adelaide right at the death, Brisbane roar in a come behind win and beating city in an upset win at coffs all in the space of 1 & half months all seem like a forgotten memory. You can even add in the 4-0 thrashing of Brisbane in round 2.

Ahh none the less will make the trek on sunday but abit unsure for easter Saturdays game unless its a nights stay and party on out in sydney.

[StannyCFCJET]

In the Herald today Duncan was talking about pride how massive it is that we win the Derby. Given how Jones said Hooley needs to ****ing do what he is told, Shouldn't Duncan get disciplined for acting/talking like the derby isn't just another game?

[Jeterpool]

In the Herald today Duncan was talking about pride how massive it is that we win the Derby. Given how Jones said Hooley needs to ****ing do what he is told, Shouldn't Duncan get disciplined for acting/talking like the derby isn't just another game?

That'll do me....

Can't we be pleased that a player is actually coming out and saying they care abotu Sunday!!! You know - "Nice one Jack, we want the players to be up and motivated for the Derby"

[pv4]

That'll do me....

Can't we be pleased that a player is actually coming out and saying they care abotu Sunday!!! You know - "Nice one Jack, we want the players to be up and motivated for the Derby"

Agreed, Jones should be allowing our players to show passion & purpose for the game.

[StannyCFCJET]

That'll do me....

Can't we be pleased that a player is actually coming out and saying they care abotu Sunday!!! You know - "Nice one Jack, we want the players to be up and motivated for the Derby"

Oh Im stoked their acting like their finally up for a game now that the season is over woop de do. Ill love winning on Sunday and experiencing it in person but I'd much rather they be up for it when were in the top 6 with a chance of finals.

[MonkeyKplunk]

Jones has announced squad today.

Newcastle Jets Squad vs. Central Coast Mariners: 2. Daniel MULLEN, 3. Jason HOFFMAN, 4. Nigel BOOGAARD (C), 5. Ben KANTAROVSKI, 6. Steven UGARKOVIC, 7. Andrew HOOLE, 8. Mateo POLJAK, 9. Aleksandr KOKKO, 11. Labinot HALITI, 12. Harrison SAWYER, 13. Ivan VUJICA, 15. Andrew NABBOUT, 16. Nicholas COWBURN, 19. Morten NORDSTRAND, 20. Jack DUNCAN (Gk), 22. Lachlan JACKSON, 28. John KOUTROUMBIS, 50. Tomislav ARCABA (Gk) **two to be omitted**

Ins: 9. Aleksandr KOKKO (promoted), 13. Ivan VUJICA (returns from injury), 28. John KOUTROUMBIS (returns from injury)

Outs: 10. Wayne BROWN (suspended - 1 week) Unavailable: 1. Ben KENNEDY (Gk) (achilles - season), 10. Wayne BROWN (suspended - 1 week), 21. Daniel ALESSI (knee - season)

[StannyCFCJET]

Jones has announced squad today.

Newcastle Jets Squad vs. Central Coast Mariners: 2. Daniel MULLEN, 3. Jason HOFFMAN, 4. Nigel BOOGAARD (C), 5. Ben KANTAROVSKI, 6. Steven UGARKOVIC, 7. Andrew HOOLE, 8. Mateo POLJAK, 9. Aleksandr KOKKO, 11. Labinot HALITI, 12. Harrison SAWYER, 13. Ivan VUJICA, 15. Andrew NABBOUT, 16. Nicholas COWBURN, 19. Morten NORDSTRAND, 20. Jack DUNCAN (Gk), 22. Lachlan JACKSON, 28. John KOUTROUMBIS, 50. Tomislav ARCABA (Gk) **two to be omitted**

Ins: 9. Aleksandr KOKKO (promoted), 13. Ivan VUJICA (returns from injury), 28. John KOUTROUMBIS (returns from injury)

Outs: 10. Wayne BROWN (suspended - 1 week) Unavailable: 1. Ben KENNEDY (Gk) (achilles - season), 10. Wayne BROWN (suspended - 1 week), 21. Daniel ALESSI (knee - season)

FFS no Clut again **** you Jones and love of that useless brown

[Jeterpool]

FFS no Clut again **** you Jones and love of that useless brown

Uhhhhh Brown isn't playing either

[Wilso8948]

Uhhhhh Brown isn't playing either

Don't let facts get in the way of a good Stanny rant

[Jeterpool]

Stephen Lucas is the referee.

We've drawn 2 and lost 4 of the matches he's officiated.

Mariners have had him 5 times and lost all 5 (thanks ultimatealeague.com.au)

[Jetmaster]

:rof:

http://images.memes.com/meme/1495116

[StannyCFCJET]

Don't let facts get in the way of a good Stanny rant

Someone gets it. It ill be fun going to a game excepting were gonna get flogged and just yelling abuse at gypos for 90 mins

[hawk]

It ill be fun going to a game excepting were gonna get flogged and just yelling abuse at gypos for 90 mins

this has been the norm since '10. Welcome to the club.

[StannyCFCJET]

this has been the norm since '10. Welcome to the club.

Wasnt the norm last year under Miller

[MFKS]

Wasnt the norm last year under Miller

I take it you weren't there when we lost 4-0 to Heart or 6-1 to Perth??

[StannyCFCJET]

I take it you weren't there when we lost 4-0 to Heart or 6-1 to Perth??

Thought he meant mariners games only duh

[Jetmaster]

Jones now says "it's a big game".

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4584297/jets-focused-on-irish-star/?cs=305

[plague]

Jones now says "it's a big game".

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4584297/jets-focused-on-irish-star/?cs=305

good on him for reading the foz.

just keep him out of the politics thread, he won't want to get suspended again.

[WolfMan]

good on him for reading the foz.

just keep him out of the politics thread, he won't want to get suspended again.

:lulzturtle:

[plague]

Andy Roberts is out here on these streets getting in fights with petty crooks at the moment yet Jones thinks it's just another game.


Andy knows.

[hawk]

is anyone going to this? being its only another game

[Jetmaster]

I'm going....Jones said yesty its a "big game".

[turbojetfireV8]

is anyone going to this? being its only another game

not sure why I am going seeing as it's just another game, but I am - think it's to see Ljubo in action again actually... seriously though, Jones can GTFO, I'm going to see the team, not his shithouse ineffective tactics and uninspiring coaching, I'm hoping the boys put in despite the khunt in charge...

[MFKS]

not sure why I am going seeing as it's just another game, but I am - think it's to see Ljubo in action again actually... seriously though, Jones can GTFO, I'm going to see the team, not his shithouse ineffective tactics and uninspiring coaching, I'm hoping the boys put in despite the khunt in charge...

Spoken like the players are Messi Neymar Iniesta Suarez and Biscuits and are just under performing

Yep normally we be world beaters if it wasn't for the man who stole Xmas Mark Jones himself

[Jeterpool]

I'm going

[Tommyjet]

Undecided

[Jetmaster]

Nice sunny day tomorrow, school hols, Easter time, they serve full strength (well they have been), no pressure as I know the spoon is ours and a kebab from Kermits around the corner.

If we jag a win I will taunt the plastics when I get home...

[lquiquer]

I'm going

[MFKS]

Nice sunny day tomorrow, school hols, Easter time, they serve full strength (well they have been), no pressure as I know the spoon is ours and a kebab from Kermits around the corner.

If we jag a win I will taunt the plastics when I get home...

Where is this Kebab shop??

I sick of waiting on a pizza so happy to slum it

[turbojetfireV8]

Spoken like the players are Messi Neymar Iniesta Suarez and Biscuits and are just under performing

Yep normally we be world beaters if it wasn't for the man who stole Xmas Mark Jones himself

would love to see us outplay them like we did at the death of last season, but your mate has done nothing to give me hope of that he is capable of inspiring the team to do that, end of...

[MFKS]

1420
Everyone got their ESSENTIAL supplies for tomorrow??

[Jetmaster]

Where is this Kebab shop??

I sick of waiting on a pizza so happy to slum it

Donnison St, around from the club, just before Mann St and opposite the corner pub.

Chew and spew but not bad after a couple.

And it's Kermat's not Kermit's!

[MFKS]

Donnison St, around from the club, just before Mann St and opposite the corner pub.

Chew and spew but not bad after a couple.

And it's Kermat's not Kermit's!

Bit of research on Google Maps has delivered.

Can't recall ever setting foot in that part of Gypo HQ

Probably why I have never seen it

[evanhayes5]

Watched training this morning looking likely that the squad will be Duncan; Mullen, Boogaard, Jackson, Cowburn; Steve, Mateo; Hoffman, Nordstrand, Nabbout; Sawyer

Hoole was apart of the ressies/young boys, along with Kokko and Clut, LeiLei didnt train.

[hawk]

1420
Everyone got their ESSENTIAL supplies for tomorrow??

You could look foolish if/when we lose.

Then again it could be a good idea as some gypo might try shove it up ya clacka. take some vaso member

[MFKS]

You could look foolish if/when we lose.

Then again it could be a good idea as some gypo might try shove it up ya clacka. take some vaso member

Why would I look foolish at FT??

I can either taunt the Gypos or the Jets players depending on the result.

Tomorrow there really is no losing for me

[hawk]

Why would I look foolish at FT??

I can either taunt the Gypos or the Jets players depending on the result.

Tomorrow there really is no losing for me

give them to jones

[StannyCFCJET]

Watched training this morning looking likely that the squad will be Duncan; Mullen, Boogaard, Jackson, Cowburn; Steve, Mateo; Hoffman, Nordstrand, Nabbout; Sawyer

Hoole was apart of the ressies/young boys, along with Kokko and Clut, LeiLei didnt train.

Bout Hoole got dropped (fingers crossed he is)

[plague]

Hooles been fantastic tonight so far.

[Jetmaster]

His marking was poor for that goal though.

[halo se7en]

His marking was poor for that goal though.

He was still closer to Montgomery than Mullen was.

[The Dunster]

You would have to be a complete imbecile to buy a 2017/2018 Jets membership / season tickets. Current squad is terrible, coach has run out of excuses, and the new signings won't be enough to counter the shit that's going to still be with us next season.

[Jetmaster]

VAR is shit....people appealing and they still can't get it right. So NRL.

[halo se7en]

VAR is shit....people appealing and they still can't get it right. So NRL.

All it does it give the refs some reprieve from criticism

[Jetmaster]

That final replay proved the one against us wasn't a penalty...but we never saw it on the coverage till 20 mins after the event.

[MFKS]

In Jones we trust

[MFKS]

Jones to make some subs to change the game

[halo se7en]

Jones to make some subs to change the game

Vujica on for Nordstrand, Kanta on for Nabbout. Arcaba on for Sawyer. All out attack!

[The Dunster]

http://worldartsme.com/images/wooden-spoon-clipart-1.jpg

We dun it

[halo se7en]

I remember a time when we used to go to the coast and win. Twice in one season.

Fox commentators just said we've got some record for goals conceded(?) to rival the NZ Knights. Any record that matches them should have the coach out on his arse straightaway.

[The Dunster]

Sack the lot of these useless khunts from the ball boys to the CEO.

[halo se7en]

Jones going to set another record... apparently we've never lost 5 in a row? I find that one hard to believe.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Hey Member,

We've now won the spoon under Jones.
We've now conceeded more goals under Jones.
We've now accumulated less points under Jones.
We've now lost in Gosford under Jones.

Please tell us how Jones is better than Miller?

You're Clueless.

[sammydog]

In Jones we trust

Trust him to deliver us the spoon.

[The Dunster]

Hey Member,

We've now won the spoon under Jones.
We've now conceeded more goals under Jones.
We've now accumulated less points under Jones.
We've now lost in Gosford under Jones.

Please tell us how Jones is better than Miller?

You're Clueless.

A new coach won't make any difference. Everyone from the ball boys to the CEO needs to go.
Miller was not the answer either, the football was terrible. At least this season we looked good in ten or so games. With Miller even the wins felt ordinary.

Fold the club - new name - new era.

[Jetmaster]

Wouldn't go that far...but this has a touch of Ranieri about it. The players don't want to play for the coach.
Up until last week I was behind Jones but now there are no excuses.

[MFKS]

It all the fans fault
If you had faith we would not be in this position

[Grimario]

It all the fans fault
If you had faith we would not be in this position
Maybe this is like Neverending Story and Jones is only kept in his position because one little boy still believes in him.

Stop believing, Member, and save us from this.

[parksey]

the member for mark jones

[StannyCFCJET]

Playing DnD instead tonight No regrets. And will sevearly consider wether to watch future games until I see some ****ing effort from these pathetic Imposters of professional footballers

[The Dunster]

Can't wait too see the presser for this one.

[plague]

It all the fans fault
If you had faith we would not be in this position

Don't slip up son.
They still think you're serious.

Hold the line comrade.

[StannyCFCJET]

Everyone put 100 bucks on sydney +5

[Hunter403]

Didn't go or watch. Went to watch Sth Cadiff v Toronto U15. Prolly a better game. Call me plastic but I've given up on this squad and coach

Disgusted we lost.......again.

[MFKS]

What a weak arse **** Boogaard is

Had the audacity to ask what I wanted him to do about our plight

Wouldn't even accept a ceremonial trophy as captain of this shit **** side either

[joel31]

fold the club

[OmeletteDuFromage]

fold the club

Wouldnt mind a rebrand. We still doing that this off-season?

[joel31]

Wouldnt mind a rebrand. We still doing that this off-season?
Newcastle no longer deserves an A-League club after 9 years of total shambles

[rhysd]

Gutless football today.

[The Dunster]

Newcastle no longer deserves an A-League club after 9 years of total shambles

Agreed

[hawk]

i thought retarded football.

so many lols. go you jats keep making us proud. Give Jones a raise as well. He's brilliant.

Wonder what Dedman group will do.

[The Dunster]

Why? Concrete reasons pls.

Because the Newcastle Jets brand is synonymous with failure.

To attract the right people and investment we need a clean slate.

[joel31]

Why? Concrete reasons pls.
Constantly loses money
Dwindling fanbase
No attractiveness for TV / sponsorship
Consistent, dismal playing performance and poor management

[plague]

Mid strength beer.

[StannyCFCJET]

What happens with the fans and players?

[Roundball Enthusiast]

What happens with the fans and players?

Wasn't there, but can imagine people were pissed, expressed it to the players. Players were also angry, begin verbal handbags.

[The Dunster]

What happens with the fans and players?

What players ? We haven't seen any of them turn up for a match in the past ten rounds.

The Jets fans are long gone.

[steve136]

Waste of f*cking money/a Sunday.

F*ck Mark Jones and f*ck the Jets.

[Wilso8948]

I was there. Had some things to do on the coast so really only went as it was free. To watch in person really showed just how much of a shambles this is. Jones has gone down hill. But **** me the squad was hopeless. Guys were giving Connor Pain two meters of space! Connor ****ing Pain! They were all blowing hard. Their touch and execution was totally off. What worries me most is just how quickly they went away from the game plan. They really were opening up the coast we they played nordstrands feet, passing and moving through the middle. Harry sawyer showed plenty up front. Much more then Kokko has done with all his chances. Then all of a sudden they dropped into this long ball shit. Wtf. It was embarrassing to watch. Not only is the coaching staff ****ed but when are the 11 grown men out in the middle going to take some responsibility?? They had a foul throw today! A foul throw! These are paid professionals.. wow.
Ps watched O'donovan closely. Totally not sold on what he'd bring to the club. We will be paying massive overs for a very average striker. Both sides out there today deserve to be bottom of the rung.

[lquiquer]

More importantly, who's going to Allianz next Saturday?

[sammydog]

More importantly, who's going to Allianz next Saturday?

Doubt I'll even watch it on TV.

[lquiquer]

What a weak arse **** Boogaard is

Had the audacity to ask what I wanted him to do about our plight

Wouldn't even accept a ceremonial trophy as captain of this shit **** side either

Conversation looked intense and in the rain... hope you suggested to him he could retire to start with?

[Wilso8948]

Conversation looked intense and in the rain... hope you suggested to him he could retire to start with?
Boogard is the last bloke we should be worrying about across that back 4.
Mopped up a heap of shit tonight from other player's **** ups.

[MFKS]

Boogard is the last bloke we should be worrying about across that back 4.
Mopped up a heap of shit tonight from other player's **** ups.

My arse.

The bloke is the captain

Where the **** has his leadership been the last 2 months??

We are paying him big bucks and he is earning them how??

[MFKS]

Conversation looked intense and in the rain... hope you suggested to him he could retire to start with?

Yeah it was getting heated

Didn't take too kindly to being offered a wooden spoon at FT.

Don't know why he expected to get a way with the what you want me to do about it remark

Like they had 90 mins
Like they had 26 rounds

They have had more than enough time to do something about it

Useless the lot of them

[StannyCFCJET]

Yeah it was getting heated

Didn't take too kindly to being offered a wooden spoon at FT.

Don't know why he expected to get a way with the what you want me to do about it remark

Like they had 90 mins
Like they had 26 rounds

They have had more than enough time to do something about it

Useless the lot of them

So were you one of those fans that women was going skitz about on facebook member? Also far out boogs You had a chance to make top 6 and will now get the spoon and you ask fans what they think you should do poor form

[The Dunster]

Boogard is the last bloke we should be worrying about across that back 4.
Mopped up a heap of shit tonight from other player's **** ups.

His performances cannot justify the ridiculous wage he's on. The clubs going nowhere with him on that sort of money. He's not the player he was five years ago and even then he wasn't worth what the Jets are paying him.

[WolfMan]

My arse.

The bloke is the captain

Where the **** has his leadership been the last 2 months??

We are paying him big bucks and he is earning them how??

Cannot disagree with any of this. What a sharp decline for the entire team over the last 8 weeks

[Jeterpool]

More importantly, who's going to Allianz next Saturday?

I'm not insured with Allianz...so when I go to claim for damage to my car (kicking in the door in frustration) it'll be with a different insurer.

[Jeterpool]

Conversation looked intense and in the rain... hope you suggested to him he could retire to start with?

:rof:

[Jeterpool]

My arse.

The bloke is the captain

Where the **** has his leadership been the last 2 months??

We are paying him big bucks and he is earning them how??

that profile pic :rof:

[MonkeyKplunk]

More importantly, who's going to Allianz next Saturday?

I'm working days all weekend at Moore Park. I'm literally a 10 minute walk from Allianz and I don't know if I could be bothered going.

Only attractiveness is to watch a quality side in FC play football

[pv4]

They had a foul throw today! A foul throw! These are paid professionals.. wow.

Body pointed it out at the game - he was standing easily 2 feet inside the line too. Embarrassing.

[pv4]

Boogard is the last bloke we should be worrying about across that back 4.
Mopped up a heap of shit tonight from other player's **** ups.

Agreed. Had a couple of missed touches which luckily didn't amount to anything dangerous, but for the most part Boogs was immense. There was a monster goal saving slide in the 2nd half that was just phenom.

[StannyCFCJET]

So if the players have to do as their ****ing told, Do they have to treat it as just another game as well?

Sounds like the players followed Jones letter to the law #JustAnotherGame

[belchardo]

Clealrly nobody watched the game, otherwise we'd all be talking about hoole's awesome run and trip on the invisible obstacle! :D

[lquiquer]

Agreed. Had a couple of missed touches which luckily didn't amount to anything dangerous, but for the most part Boogs was immense. There was a monster goal saving slide in the 2nd half that was just phenom.

3 years ago you also thought Lucas Neill was immense.... :tongue:

[Bon]

3 years ago you also thought Lucas Neill was immense.... :tongue:

:lulzturtle:

[Couscous]

FMD. Farque you, too, Jets.

[MFKS]

that profile pic :rof:

Lovely isn't it??

[BodyNovo]

What a difference a year makes.

12 months ago the club was well into a successful rebuild under miller & jp with pending serious ownership.

Now we are back at what I believe to be rock bottom as we were at the end of season 10 with stubbins in charge.

We have a good assistant coach (like stubbins was) who hasn't made the step up to the full time gig. Jones has obviously lost the dressing room, his management of players has been sub par at best.

we are now at a very serious cross roads just like 2 years ago. If we plan to back the coach like Tinkler intended too we are are in the exact same predicament where we are going to have to overspend to get decent players and on long contracts as well (boogard back then) as an established successful coach is not a selling point.

Best plan of attack for mine.

Sack Jones, sorry mate you didn't make the step up.

Hire Ernie Merrick for 2 seasons, keep on Zane as his assistant.

Immediately Merricks ability to attract players puts us in a good spot of not having to overspend.

Merrick gives Zane a proper tutelage on how to be a successful A League head coach.


finally yesterday was a disgrace

[Jeterpool]

Lovely isn't it??

You dun it!

[StannyCFCJET]

What a difference a year makes.

12 months ago the club was well into a successful rebuild under miller & jp with pending serious ownership.

Now we are back at what I believe to be rock bottom as we were at the end of season 10 with stubbins in charge.

We have a good assistant coach (like stubbins was) who hasn't made the step up to the full time gig. Jones has obviously lost the dressing room, his management of players has been sub par at best.

we are now at a very serious cross roads just like 2 years ago. If we plan to back the coach like Tinkler intended too we are are in the exact same predicament where we are going to have to overspend to get decent players and on long contracts as well (boogard back then) as an established successful coach is not a selling point.

Best plan of attack for mine.

Sack Jones, sorry mate you didn't make the step up.

Hire Ernie Merrick for 2 seasons, keep on Zane as his assistant.

Immediately Merricks ability to attract players puts us in a good spot of not having to overspend.

Merrick gives Zane a proper tutelage on how to be a successful A League head coach.


finally yesterday was a disgrace

Merrick is a good shout, I'd be happy with either him or Mulvey.

[The Dunster]

What a difference a year makes.

12 months ago the club was well into a successful rebuild under miller & jp with pending serious ownership.

Now we are back at what I believe to be rock bottom as we were at the end of season 10 with stubbins in charge.

We have a good assistant coach (like stubbins was) who hasn't made the step up to the full time gig. Jones has obviously lost the dressing room, his management of players has been sub par at best.

we are now at a very serious cross roads just like 2 years ago. If we plan to back the coach like Tinkler intended too we are are in the exact same predicament where we are going to have to overspend to get decent players and on long contracts as well (boogard back then) as an established successful coach is not a selling point.

Best plan of attack for mine.

Sack Jones, sorry mate you didn't make the step up.

Hire Ernie Merrick for 2 seasons, keep on Zane as his assistant.

Immediately Merricks ability to attract players puts us in a good spot of not having to overspend.

Merrick gives Zane a proper tutelage on how to be a successful A League head coach.


finally yesterday was a disgrace

Which players and their managers are you representing ? If Jones has to go everyone should go. None of the players have been up to scratch all season, you want to bring in a new coach and force him to work with the current assistant, the coach you suggest the Jets bring in was punted by Melbourne Victory and then jumped before he was pushed at Wellington. He was effective previously because his club had massive resources both financially and talent wise - the football they played was nothing special to watch.

You cannot be serious.

[Jeterpool]

What a difference a year makes.

12 months ago the club was well into a successful rebuild under miller & jp with pending serious ownership.

Now we are back at what I believe to be rock bottom as we were at the end of season 10 with stubbins in charge.

We have a good assistant coach (like stubbins was) who hasn't made the step up to the full time gig. Jones has obviously lost the dressing room, his management of players has been sub par at best.

we are now at a very serious cross roads just like 2 years ago. If we plan to back the coach like Tinkler intended too we are are in the exact same predicament where we are going to have to overspend to get decent players and on long contracts as well (boogard back then) as an established successful coach is not a selling point.

Best plan of attack for mine.

Sack Jones, sorry mate you didn't make the step up.

Hire Ernie Merrick for 2 seasons, keep on Zane as his assistant.

Immediately Merricks ability to attract players puts us in a good spot of not having to overspend.

Merrick gives Zane a proper tutelage on how to be a successful A League head coach.


finally yesterday was a disgrace

I shared something similar yesterday the popped up on my facebook feed. The feeling was around the club was one of stability 12 months ago. We were behind the manager who was starting to get the team working the way he wanted. Nobody was questioning his position and we were all looking forward to recruitment during the off season.

You're right that we're back to Stubbin era but this time we don't have the safety net of knowing Tinkler was circling the drain and was about to self-combust. We felt we could be bailed out. Maybe this will happen this off-season with an owner that can back us well financially in the marker (or so we are told). But you're right that we don't have the coach that will attract players here. Finiancial means is the only reason.

I agree your course of action - release Jones, sign an experienced coach who has the abaility to attract players with their credentials but also has runs on the board in terms of success. Merrick may be the answer, but so is someone like Mike Mulvey.

Failure to do this will be shown in the lack of members renewing next year.

[The Dunster]

Mulvey or Merrick would be no different to bringing GVE back and that didn't exactly work out in the past either. Players need to be shown the door whether they are on contract or not. Their performances this year are grounds enough.

[Jeterpool]

Mulvey or Merrick would be no different to bringing GVE back and that didn't exactly work out in the past either.

Why do you think they wouldn't work? What would prevent them being a success?

[StannyCFCJET]

Why do you think they wouldn't work? What would prevent them being a success?

Mr Lee will be teling whoever the coach is who to sign and play (Chinese player for example) and being a Chelsea fan I know exactly how that goes, Coach gets the sack and playing group stops playing

[BodyNovo]

Mulvey or Merrick would be no different to bringing GVE back and that didn't exactly work out in the past either. Players need to be shown the door whether they are on contract or not. Their performances this year are grounds enough.

I disagree.

Merrick is completely different to GVE 2.0. GVE 2.0 was all about playing a ridiculous brand of football & the nurturing of young talent (which ended up other clubs talent anyways) whereas Merrick is based on getting results now & not in a years time.

[The Dunster]

Why do you think they wouldn't work? What would prevent them being a success?

They failed at their last two jobs.
The roster of players in Newcastle is far weaker than they had at their last two teams
Neither of them have ever had to contend with as many overpaid, inexperienced, or inconsistent players in one team.

Yesterdays game was lost by the players. Individual mistakes like passing to ghosts, tackling themselves.... the players can't hold the ball and they can't execute anything more than the most basic game plan.

Jones needs to go - I agree. But I'd be sacking players as well.

[The Dunster]

I disagree.

Merrick is completely different to GVE 2.0. GVE 2.0 was all about playing a ridiculous brand of football & the nurturing of young talent (which ended up other clubs talent anyways) whereas Merrick is based on getting results now & not in a years time.

You haven't named a single player that needs to go. Not one. Merrick . Greenacre and Des Buckingham are far from world beaters but they have Wellington playing a lot better than Ernie ever did. Merrick is finished don't use the Jets to fund his retirement.

[lquiquer]

Pay Erikson out of Shenzhen and sign him Mr Lee....that will send a strong message and will attract players....it's all about $$$$$

[sammydog]

You haven't named a single player that needs to go. Not one. Merrick . Greenacre and Des Buckingham are far from world beaters but they have Wellington playing a lot better than Ernie ever did. Merrick is finished don't use the Jets to fund his retirement.

I don't want us looking at any of the washed up A-League coaches as an option. That will just put us back having this discussion again in 12 months.

If we truely want to be a great club, we have to do better than recycle everyone elses garbage, be it players or coaches.

[Frodo]

They failed at their last two jobs.
The roster of players in Newcastle is far weaker than they had at their last two teams
Neither of them have ever had to contend with as many overpaid, inexperienced, or inconsistent players in one team.

Yesterdays game was lost by the players. Individual mistakes like passing to ghosts, tackling themselves.... the players can't hold the ball and they can't execute anything more than the most basic game plan.

Jones needs to go - I agree. But I'd be sacking players as well.

Dunster. Firstly, your last sentence is perfect.

However the thing that keeps happening on the forums by the 'players out' crew when arguing with the 'jones out' crew is that you guys normally assume that when someone wants Jones out they want to keep the squad. We have like 13 players off contract at the seasons end. I'm totally ok with not resigning any of them and giving an experienced coach the opportunity to build the squad.

Before the member jumps in, Jones hasn't been given that opportunity yet so you can't really compare him to Miller and Merrick/Mulvey 100%.

That said I think i've seen enough to think that Jones was only ever temporary and not ready for the job long-term.


But to reiterate, When people say they want Jones sacked I think they also want half the team sacked at the same time... and McKinna... and the reporters at the herald.. and Stanny definitely wants us to sack Mullen.

[StannyCFCJET]

Dunster. Firstly, your last sentence is perfect.

However the thing that keeps happening on the forums by the 'players out' crew when arguing with the 'jones out' crew is that you guys normally assume that when someone wants Jones out they want to keep the squad. We have like 13 players off contract at the seasons end. I'm totally ok with not resigning any of them and giving an experienced coach the opportunity to build the squad.

Before the member jumps in, Jones hasn't been given that opportunity yet so you can't really compare him to Miller and Merrick/Mulvey 100%.

That said I think i've seen enough to think that Jones was only ever temporary and not ready for the job long-term.


But to reiterate, When people say they want Jones sacked I think they also want half the team sacked at the same time... and McKinna... and the reporters at the herald.. and Stanny definitely wants us to sack Mullen.

Coach and all the off contract players gone is a start. Releasing several of the on contract players is the next step. Then sign an Experienced Coach for 1 yr who is given a blank checkpoint within the salary cap and who has full control over the team where minimum requirement to keep his job is making the top 6. (Never happen but ill keep dreaming)

[belchardo]

We have like 13 players off contract at the seasons end. I'm totally ok with not resigning any of them and giving an experienced coach the opportunity to build the squad.

This is pretty much where I am at.

[MonkeyKplunk]

Coach and all the off contract players gone is a start. Releasing several of the on contract players is the next step. Then sign an Experienced Coach for 1 yr who is given a blank checkpoint within the salary cap and who has full control over the team where minimum requirement to keep his job is making the top 6. (Never happen but ill keep dreaming)

Stanny has it here.
Although, any new coach needs to be on a 1 + 1 signing, with the extra year only being made available based on achieving minimum club goals.
KPI's exist everywhere else in the professional world for a reason. We need to either start using them, or actually following through on the consequences of not achieving the ones we have

[halo se7en]

Jones needs to go - I agree. But I'd be sacking players as well.

This. But Jones first so he doesn't have a chance to resign his favourites.

[MFKS]

Stanny has it here.
Although, any new coach needs to be on a 1 + 1 signing, with the extra year only being made available based on achieving minimum club goals.
KPI's exist everywhere else in the professional world for a reason. We need to either start using them, or actually following through on the consequences of not achieving the ones we have

That's great

We have deep seated cultural issues at the club that are going to take years to actually rectify

That there is no dispute amongst us

Yet your answer to solving this is to hold the coach to some arbitrary target with KPIs and then sack them if they fail to make it

So how many more times we going to actually keep sacking the coach replace same shit players with equally shit players and then wonder why we fail again and again ??

The only answer is to this is to back a coach for the long haul

Maybe the pressure valve on our coaches actually needs to go and the blokes can actually have a long term vision on things instead of having our only goal as making the top 6 and failing at it


Quite frankly I couldn't give two ****s we lost last night
Quite frankly I couldn't give two ****s if we finish 7th or 10th

I actually am quite happy that all this shit has transpired as it has

The Chinese Lightsalesman is now firmly in the spotlight and it now up to him to act.

His most important job is to actually back the Manager and give the bloke the resources required to turn this shit around

There is no magic fix.

Merrick
Mulvey
Mourinhio
Jones
Miller

It irrelevant who it is.

This going to take some time.

[Frodo]

That's great

We have deep seated cultural issues at the club that are going to take years to actually rectify

That there is no dispute amongst us

Yet your answer to solving this is to hold the coach to some arbitrary target with KPIs and then sack them if they fail to make it

So how many more times we going to actually keep sacking the coach replace same shit players with equally shit players and then wonder why we fail again and again ??

The only answer is to this is to back a coach for the long haul

Maybe the pressure valve on our coaches actually needs to go and the blokes can actually have a long term vision on things instead of having our only goal as making the top 6 and failing at it


Quite frankly I couldn't give two ****s we lost last night
Quite frankly I couldn't give two ****s if we finish 7th or 10th

I actually am quite happy that all this shit has transpired as it has

The Chinese Lightsalesman is now firmly in the spotlight and it now up to him to act.

His most important job is to actually back the Manager and give the bloke the resources required to turn this shit around

There is no magic fix.

Merrick
Mulvey
Mourinhio
Jones
Miller

It irrelevant who it is.

This going to take some time.

The Mask has come back off. You're you again. haha.

The club is rotten from the ground up. We need the guy in charge to spend the money to clean it up on all levels. Now we get to see if Lee actually cares about our clubs success.


Also, i was never advocating a coach coming in with free rain to gut the entire squad, that would just lead to the 'team needs time to gel' excuse. I would only accept an experienced manager if they come in and put in place better staff behind him, as well as better procedures to help us long-term. Someone said Erikson, i think someone like him or Scolari would be the guy. Come in and let them bring in world-class experience to implement and long-term vision for the Club. Whilst he has a guy like Zane, or fuggit even Jones, as a heavily involved assistant coach learning from him.


That said, everything I just typed is a dreamers view of what to do. We probably just need to suffer for the next few years whilst Lee hopefully fixes us slowly. Yet again, let's juts hope that he cares about our success.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Lees most important job is to ensure Jones has his resignation in by COB today. Let Zane finish the season with a win in Sydney.

New experienced coach.
Release all off contract players, bring in new blood under the cap.
Open the purse.

The only way it will happen.

Jones hasn't warranted his job for another season.

[Frodo]

Lees most important job is to ensure Jones has his resignation in by COB today. Let Zane finish the season with a win in Sydney.

New experienced coach.
Release all off contract players, bring in new blood under the cap.
Open the purse.

The only way it will happen.

Jones hasn't warranted his job for another season.

But that alone won't fix the problem. Jones will go either now or next year. He isn't the reason our club has sucked balls for almost a decade. We need to look at everything at once and then work to fix it.

[StannyCFCJET]

But that alone won't fix the problem. Jones will go either now or next year. He isn't the reason our club has sucked balls for almost a decade. We need to look at everything at once and then work to fix it.

But he wont fix any problems by staying as our coach

[Frodo]

But he wont fix any problems by staying as our coach

True, but why pay him out and put someone else in place who will also fail in 12 months time and pay them out as well? Why not fix the problem instead of being huffy about a loss to a team that is better ran than ours? Paul Okon isn't a genius. Their squad isn't better than ours. But every year when it comes time for the finals we are getting angry at the bloke running training. He isn't a good coach but the season wasn't solely his fault. Anyone with half a brain can understand that.

[halo se7en]

But that alone won't fix the problem. Jones will go either now or next year. He isn't the reason our club has sucked balls for almost a decade. We need to look at everything at once and then work to fix it.

What happened in the last decade needs to become irrelevant, and fast. Lee had nothing to do with what Con/Tinks/FFA did.

Lee hasn't made any false promises as yet (that I can remember). This season was always a 'wait and see' for him.

As pissed off as I was with the Miller sacking, this is Lee's first real test. He's been handed the wooden spoon and now we get to see how real our new owner is. If he backs Jones, and we sign the same mediocre players for next season and talk about hopefully making top 6, we'll know it's just another false dawn and we can hibernate for another few years until the next person comes in.

Anyone who thinks it takes years and years to build up a winning team needs to wake up. City may not have won much yet, but with a bit of cash they turned their team around pretty quick. Our foundation has already been built here - we've got the fanbase and we've got the football history. All we need to do is throw some cash around. This shouldn't be a difficult league to properly compete in.

[RAM]

The Jets need a 'Great Leap Forward' from our Chinese Master.

First order of business should be to collectively farm out the shit****s to the NPL

[MFKS]

But he wont fix any problems by staying as our coach

Incorrect

As the current coach he is best qualified to identify and start rectify the issues at the club

It does not matter if Jones takes us to the ACL or the title.

What is needed from him is to actually be the Coach who turns the tide.

The other thing to be pointed out PRIDE is a wonderful thing.

This bloke has been hammered mercilessly the last few weeks.

The most motivated man in Newy right now be him.

That is why we keep him

[MFKS]

What happened in the last decade needs to become irrelevant, and fast. Lee had nothing to do with what Con/Tinks/FFA did.

Lee hasn't made any false promises as yet (that I can remember). This season was always a 'wait and see' for him.

As pissed off as I was with the Miller sacking, this is Lee's first real test. He's been handed the wooden spoon and now we get to see how real our new owner is. If he backs Jones, and we sign the same mediocre players for next season and talk about hopefully making top 6, we'll know it's just another false dawn and we can hibernate for another few years until the next person comes in.

Anyone who thinks it takes years and years to build up a winning team needs to wake up. City may not have won much yet, but with a bit of cash they turned their team around pretty quick. Our foundation has already been built here - we've got the fanbase and we've got the football history. All we need to do is throw some cash around. This shouldn't be a difficult league to properly compete in.

City have won what with all their money??

1 Cup

All their money has just turned a good side underperforming into a very good side who still under performs

[StannyCFCJET]

Incorrect

As the current coach he is best qualified to identify and start rectify the issues at the club

It does not matter if Jones takes us to the ACL or the title.

What is needed from him is to actually be the Coach who turns the tide.

The other thing to be pointed out PRIDE is a wonderful thing.

This bloke has been hammered mercilessly the last few weeks.

The most motivated man in Newy right now be him.

That is why we keep him

So he was motivated to avoid the spoon? Or get our players to turn up for derby?

[StannyCFCJET]

City have won what with all their money??

1 Cup

All their money has just turned a good side underperforming into a very good side who still under performs

Thats also cause JVS wasnt a very good coach IMO

[MFKS]

Thats also cause JVS wasnt a very good coach IMO
And yet even with him gone they are still the same??

[StannyCFCJET]

And yet even with him gone they are still the same??

I dont know much about Valkanis as a coach. Maybe his is using JVS's methods

[MFKS]

So he was motivated to avoid the spoon? Or get our players to turn up for derby?

It not his job to get the players to turn up for the derby

It up to the players to have the appropriate level of motivation

What I seen in those players last night is a lack of interest

It is a job to them

As long as they get their cash they don't give two ****s about winning

This season as soon as they got in a position where they had to deliver under some degree of expectation they choked

Why because they do not care enough

It not just that these blokes are shit footballers

It between the ears with most of them

They happy to be here as they are taking the easy way out as footballers.

It up to Ledman to back Jones
To give Jones the opportunity to rid us of these types who are happy with second best

[Roundball Enthusiast]

It not his job to get the players to turn up for the derby

It up to the players to have the appropriate level of motivation

What I seen in those players last night is a lack of interest

It is a job to them

As long as they get their cash they don't give two ****s about winning

This season as soon as they got in a position where they had to deliver under some degree of expectation they choked

Why because they do not care enough

It not just that these blokes are shit footballers

It between the ears with most of them

They happy to be here as they are taking the easy way out as footballers.

It up to Ledman to back Jones
To give Jones the opportunity to rid us of these types who are happy with second best

What exactly does Jones do then?

If everything is on the player, why do we even need Jones?

[halo se7en]

City have won what with all their money??

1 Cup

All their money has just turned a good side underperforming into a very good side who still under performs

Lol Heart were ****ing rubbish. At least now they get quality players and have an outside shot of winning the thing.

[The Dunster]

What happened in the last decade needs to become irrelevant, and fast. Lee had nothing to do with what Con/Tinks/FFA did.

Lee hasn't made any false promises as yet (that I can remember). This season was always a 'wait and see' for him.

As pissed off as I was with the Miller sacking, this is Lee's first real test. He's been handed the wooden spoon and now we get to see how real our new owner is. If he backs Jones, and we sign the same mediocre players for next season and talk about hopefully making top 6, we'll know it's just another false dawn and we can hibernate for another few years until the next person comes in.

Anyone who thinks it takes years and years to build up a winning team needs to wake up. City may not have won much yet, but with a bit of cash they turned their team around pretty quick. Our foundation has already been built here - we've got the fanbase and we've got the football history. All we need to do is throw some cash around. This shouldn't be a difficult league to properly compete in.

100% agree with this.

[MFKS]

Lol Heart were ****ing rubbish. At least now they get quality players and have an outside shot of winning the thing.

Outside shot??

They won't win it.

No defence

Like them


Doesn't win titles


Smurfs Victree WSW as a smoky

The rest of them will not win it

[StannyCFCJET]

Outside shot??

They won't win it.

No defence

Like them


Doesn't win titles


Smurfs Victree WSW as a smoky

The rest of them will not win it

Brisbane could if Maclaren keep scoring. If City start Sorenson over Bouzanis they might as well

[pv4]

It not his job to get the players to turn up for the derby

Even if this is an attempted windup, I still have to bite at this comment alone because I am pretty sure Jones & Lowey agree with it. It's basically his ONLY job.

[MFKS]

Brisbane could if Maclaren keep scoring. If City start Sorenson over Bouzanis they might as well

No they won't

Defence wins titles

Neither of them have it

You just can't turn it on turn it off

It has to be there all season

[MFKS]

Even if this is an attempted windup, I still have to bite at this comment alone because I am pretty sure Jones & Lowey agree with it. It's basically his ONLY job.

No it isn't an attempt at winding anyone up.

If those players of ours have to be instructed to aim up when we play the Gypos then they can **** right off.

It is a ****ing given it is required

Gypo recruits can buy in to the concept that it is important to have a big game when they play us

Why do none of our blokes really give a ****???

[Frodo]

No they won't

Defence wins titles

Neither of them have it

You just can't turn it on turn it off

It has to be there all season

The title has been won. Cups aren't won on defence, they are won by showing up on the day. Brisbane are in good form, i'd put them as much of a chance as WSW or Victree.

[hawk]

The title has been won. Cups aren't won on defence, they are won by showing up on the day.

cups are tense, ugly tight affairs. defence at all cost. nab one then take the cup

[StannyCFCJET]

Defenses win you titles In a league format but come finals football its all about which players turn up and which coach can outsmart the other

[halo se7en]

Anyone who doesn't think the coach acts as a motivator has either never put on a pair of football boots, or they were unlucky enough to be stuck with disinterested parents as coaches their whole footballing life.

[MFKS]

Anyone who doesn't think the coach acts as a motivator has either never put on a pair of football boots, or they were unlucky enough to be stuck with disinterested parents as coaches their whole footballing life.

When I played football I wanted to win because I wanted to win

Didn't matter whether I liked the coach or not.

My motivation always came from within me

Just as it does in anything I do.
It comes from within

Anyone who needs someone else to motivate them to play football should quit

[lquiquer]

I think the HUGE problem we have here in Newcastle was perfectly highlighted in Saturdays Herald: O'Donovan being referred as an Irish star....The bloke never played for Ireland (And hardly played if ever in EPL). Kokko (Finish league [Member could score in that league even now], Brown, Poljak, Chinese Messi never played for their country. Hoole, Nabbout, Boogaard, Hoffman never played for Socceroos (Media refers to them as stars too!!!).......Mullen 1 cap for Australia (Donkeys years go) and Nordstrand 8 cap for is country is the exception (unfortunately at 33 his legs are stuggling).....My point: we keep referring to average players as Stars.......I'm not a great fan of Jones but he did what he could with what he had.......Let's face it we have a shit squad #JonesOut #85%SquadOut #GetRealStars

[Jetmaster]

Anyone who doesn't think the coach acts as a motivator has either never put on a pair of football boots, or they were unlucky enough to be stuck with disinterested parents as coaches their whole footballing life.

This is it in a nutshell. As per the "Peter Principle", Jones had risen to his "level of incompetence". He is not a leader, he is a manager with as almost zero people skills.

Put a motivational manager in charge of this same squad and things would be much different. Great managers have won things with shit teams before by motivating them to perform above expectations. Hiddink is a great example.

[parksey]

Incorrect

As the current coach he is best qualified to identify and start rectify the issues at the club

It does not matter if Jones takes us to the ACL or the title.

What is needed from him is to actually be the Coach who turns the tide.

The other thing to be pointed out PRIDE is a wonderful thing.

This bloke has been hammered mercilessly the last few weeks.

The most motivated man in Newy right now be him.

That is why we keep him

Nothing he had done so far has shown that he is the man for the job. It's been quite the opposite really, he's overseen a steady yet steep decline from the progress we made last year - and with better players at his disposal.

If you don't think experienced, title winning coaches like Merrick or Mulvey are better equipped to get rid of the bad culture (that Jones and possibly McKinna have seemingly brought with them) than he is you're kidding yourself.

[The Dunster]

Nothing he had done so far has shown that he is the man for the job. It's been quite the opposite really, he's overseen a steady yet steep decline from the progress we made last year - and with better players at his disposal.

If you don't think experienced, title winning coaches like Merrick or Mulvey are better equipped to get rid of the bad culture (that Jones and possibly McKinna have seemingly brought with them) than he is you're kidding yourself.

There was no progress last year. The team played boring as batshit football and copped several floggings even though they were playing very defensively and rarely if ever looking like scoring a goal.
The bad culture was here long before Jones or McKinna arrived.
We have a shed full of players for a start that don't deserve to be playing at this level, and rather than take responsibility they will target the coach and others for their failings..

Fold the club and start again is the only solution.

[turbojetfireV8]

NBN spent more time on the Jets than the Knights last night - maybe they should show their spooning prowess more often:

http://www.nbnnews.com.au/2017/04/10/newcastle-jets-ceo-responds-to-fan-criticism/
http://www.nbnnews.com.au/2017/04/10/where-to-from-here-for-the-jets/
http://www.nbnnews.com.au/2017/04/10/former-jets-fan-favourite-briefly-back-in-newcastle/

[parksey]

There was no progress last year. The team played boring as batshit football and copped several floggings even though they were playing very defensively and rarely if ever looking like scoring a goal.
The bad culture was here long before Jones or McKinna arrived.
We have a shed full of players for a start that don't deserve to be playing at this level, and rather than take responsibility they will target the coach and others for their failings..

Fold the club and start again is the only solution.

We won 8 games compared to two or three the year before.

Yes we were boring but unlike Jones, Miller actually had the excuse of inheriting a squad that was left over from the Tinkler era, which was a shambles.

He made us hard to beat for the most part and the performances improved at the back end of the season.

Jones has brought back the lazy Newcastle culture with him, as only a true Novacastrian could.

[MFKS]

We won 8 games compared to two or three the year before.

Yes we were boring but unlike Jones, Miller actually had the excuse of inheriting a squad that was left over from the Tinkler era, which was a shambles.

He made us hard to beat for the most part and the performances improved at the back end of the season.

Jones has brought back the lazy Newcastle culture with him, as only a true Novacastrian could.

See the funny thing is that Miller should have been sacked not for his little blow up with Tranny and the Chinese Lightsalesman

What he should really have been sacked for is his recruitment this season

Any progress we could have made was squandered by his worldwide contacts coming up with shit like a journeyman non league standard Pom playing in Scandanavia, a bloke who has never played for Finland and a few Aussie HAL rejects in Clut Hoole Nabbout

He basically sewed the seeds of our spoon right there with his shitful efforts in the transfer market

[StannyCFCJET]

See the funny thing is that Miller should have been sacked not for his little blow up with Tranny and the Chinese Lightsalesman

What he should really have been sacked for is his recruitment this season

Any progress we could have made was squandered by his worldwide contacts coming up with shit like a journeyman non league standard Pom playing in Scandanavia, a bloke who has never played for Finland and a few Aussie HAL rejects in Clut Hoole Nabbout

He basically sewed the seeds of our spoon right there with his shitful efforts in the transfer market

But we dont know how we woulda done with Miller as coach. So you can't really make that statement

[OmeletteDuFromage]

But we dont know how we woulda done with Miller as coach. So you can't really make that statement

Exactly, Miller brought Kokko, Brown etc in and might have used them way differently, ways he scouted beforehand?

He might have not gone with the Jones tactic of stick some big guy up front and lump it to him and hope he scores, and might of actually tried to use Kokko to his strengths of holding the ball up, and having someone play off him. Might have used Brown as a B2B instead of trying to be the main creative outlet, which hes isnt capable of.

[MFKS]

Exactly, Miller brought Kokko, Brown etc in and might have used them way differently, ways he scouted beforehand?

He might have not gone with the Jones tactic of stick some big guy up front and lump it to him and hope he scores, and might of actually tried to use Kokko to his strengths of holding the ball up, and having someone play off him. Might have used Brown as a B2B instead of trying to be the main creative outlet, which hes isnt capable of.

Yep these blokes are just late bloomers and if Miller was coaching them they be nominated alongside Neymar Suarez Messi Iniesta CR7 for the Balloon D'Or

Call a spade a spade

They all shit signings who wouldn't have done anything worthy enough of taken us to any higher than 7th place in Millers version of Park The Bus

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Yep these blokes are just late bloomers and if Miller was coaching them they be nominated alongside Neymar Suarez Messi Iniesta CR7 for the Balloon D'Or

Call a spade a spade

They all shit signings who wouldn't have done anything worthy enough of taken us to any higher than 7th place in Millers version of Park The Bus

Not saying theyre world beaters. Just saying Miller chose them for reasons and I assume did a large amount of scouting prior to signing them and again assumingly would have developed a system around these players, where as Jones has come in and done his own shit trying to fit these players in to his methods

[halo se7en]

Not saying theyre world beaters. Just saying Miller chose them for reasons and I assume did a large amount of scouting prior to signing them and again assumingly would have developed a system around these players, where as Jones has come in and done his own shit trying to fit these players in to his methods

Don't you know omelette, players are either Messi & CR7, or they're rubbish. There's no in between.

I always said Miller took the money ball approach and I have no doubt he would have had this team higher than last.

[MFKS]

Don't you know omelette, players are either Messi & CR7, or they're rubbish. There's no in between.

I always said Miller took the money ball approach and I have no doubt he would have had this team higher than last.
7th or 10th
Still the same

[Macca]

See the funny thing is that Miller should have been sacked not for his little blow up with Tranny and the Chinese Lightsalesman

What he should really have been sacked for is his recruitment this season

Any progress we could have made was squandered by his worldwide contacts coming up with shit like a journeyman non league standard Pom playing in Scandanavia, a bloke who has never played for Finland and a few Aussie HAL rejects in Clut Hoole Nabbout

He basically sewed the seeds of our spoon right there with his shitful efforts in the transfer market

All the shit signings that were responsible for us playing the most exciting football we have in years? Yeah all rubbish hey.

[Bon]

7th or 10th
Still the same

No. It's definitely not.

[MFKS]

All the shit signings that were responsible for us playing the most exciting football we have in years? Yeah all rubbish hey.

And all go missing when the pressure is on

No consistency

No ability to deliver under expectation


Their weaknesses are the main reason we have fallen in a hole

Because they can not back it up week in week out

[Tommyjet]

7th or 10th
Still the same

This statement says it all really. Why bother arguing with this nutter

[Wilso8948]

This statement says it all really. Why bother arguing with this nutter

Why? He's correct. 7th or 10th doesn't mean shit provided there's only a few points between them. We celebrate a successful season when we finish 7th. Wtf? Keep accepting mediocrity.

[lquiquer]

This statement says it all really. Why bother arguing with this nutter

Considering there is no relegation I tend to agree with the Member......

[Tommyjet]

Why? He's correct. 7th or 10th doesn't mean shit provided there's only a few points between them. We celebrate a successful season when we finish 7th. Wtf? Keep accepting mediocrity.

Finishing above the f#@king gypos would be the start of the reasons why 7th is better than 10th or does that not seem to matter. Where did i say it would mean a successful season?

[Wilso8948]

Finishing above the f#@king gypos would be the start of the reasons why 7th is better than 10th or does that not seem to matter. Where did i say it would mean a successful season?

Where did I say you did? I'm saying there's a general feeling Miller was successful leading us to an almighty 7th.. wow. 7th-10th is a fail in my book.

[Macca]

Where have people said Miller had a successful season?

Big difference between a successful season and a season that leaves people feeling hopeful for the future

[Frodo]

Finishing above the f#@king gypos would be the start of the reasons why 7th is better than 10th or does that not seem to matter. Where did i say it would mean a successful season?

Tommy has it here.

There are 4 positions on the ladder.

First
Finals
Not 10th
Wooden Spoon

However finishing above the Gypos should be the bare minimum for any coach here. If you finish below them you should hang your head in shame.

I think Miller had a better shot at making the 6 than Jones did considering he actually picked the squad.

The team was obviously getting along well during pre-season, as the results from the start of the season prove. Once other teams worked out the initial plan it all turned to poo. Miller can't be blamed for that. Only Jonesy-boy can. We don't know if Miller had a plan B so he gets to ride off into the sunset looking like he knew what he was doing. His reputation would only have been enhanced during his time here. Just let that sink in Member....


Although, yet again, who cares about Miller know. He's gone, we have to move on.

[Tommyjet]

Why? He's correct. 7th or 10th doesn't mean shit provided there's only a few points between them. We celebrate a successful season when we finish 7th. Wtf? Keep accepting mediocrity.

Finishing above the f#@king gypos would be the start of the reasons why 7th is better than 10th or does that not seem to matter. Where did i say it would mean a successful season?

[StannyCFCJET]

Tommy has it here.

There are 4 positions on the ladder.

First
Finals
Not 10th
Wooden Spoon

However finishing above the Gypos should be the bare minimum for any coach here. If you finish below them you should hang your head in shame.

I think Miller had a better shot at making the 6 than Jones did considering he actually picked the squad.

The team was obviously getting along well during pre-season, as the results from the start of the season prove. Once other teams worked out the initial plan it all turned to poo. Miller can't be blamed for that. Only Jonesy-boy can. We don't know if Miller had a plan B so he gets to ride off into the sunset looking like he knew what he was doing. His reputation would only have been enhanced during his time here. Just let that sink in Member....


Although, yet again, who cares about Miller know. He's gone, we have to move on.

Finishing in the Six should be the bare minimum. **** the gypos but it sounds like were basing our whole club aim off finishing above the Gypos much like the Arsenal Spurs crap. Does anyone remember who finished above us in the table the year we won the GF? Oh thats right the Gypos. If we had to lose to the Gypos every now and then but we made finals more often and had a real go at winning the GF (With the odd success) then I'd happily bite my hand off and take that deal.

[MFKS]

There is really only one position that matters

First

The rest are just losers

2nd 6th 7th 10th

Doesn't really matter

Still won **** all

[turbojetfireV8]

being satisfied with a coach who has led us to a wooden spoon isn't embracing mediocrity, seriously?? just because Jones is a local and Stubbins wasn't doesn't mean there is any reason for misguided loyalties here, Jones has taken a reasonably performing group of players starting to believe in themselves and playing some decent football, that could have seen them actually a chance of snatching a finals berth, and turned them into a dire group of lacklustre can't attack can't defend easybeats in the past few months, most of it through his mismanagement of selections gamedays, to the point the players stopped believing - if that isn't the sign of a coach who has failed what is the benchmark???

[StannyCFCJET]

being satisfied with a coach who has led us to a wooden spoon isn't embracing mediocrity, seriously?? just because Jones is a local and Stubbins wasn't doesn't mean there is any reason for misguided loyalties here, Jones has taken a reasonably performing group of players starting to believe in themselves and playing some decent football, that could have seen them actually a chance of snatching a finals berth, and turned them into a dire group of lacklustre can't attack can't defend easybeats in the past few months, most of it through his mismanagement of selections gamedays, to the point the players stopped believing - if that isn't the sign of a coach who has failed what is the benchmark???

We cant forget these players are weak minded ****s

[The Dunster]

being satisfied with a coach who has led us to a wooden spoon isn't embracing mediocrity, seriously?? just because Jones is a local and Stubbins wasn't doesn't mean there is any reason for misguided loyalties here, Jones has taken a reasonably performing group of players starting to believe in themselves and playing some decent football, that could have seen them actually a chance of snatching a finals berth, and turned them into a dire group of lacklustre can't attack can't defend easybeats in the past few months, most of it through his mismanagement of selections gamedays, to the point the players stopped believing - if that isn't the sign of a coach who has failed what is the benchmark???

The players have been shit for most of the season. Don't sugarcoat their performances. The mistakes that lead to goals against us and the misses we have had in front of goal are individual errors. That's got little to do with the coaching staff at this level. The players are over paid, lazy, and rate themselves far too highly - having achieved nothing in the game to warrant their high opinions of themselves.
They hang out at coffee shops like they play in the EPL when the reality is they only won 5 games all season in the lowly A-league.
I mean look at Hoole - and he did ok in parts of the season. This is his first year of actually scoring some goals and he thinks that makes him hot property on the European market ?
The players are completely deluded as are many of the fans if they think this group of players is anything more than the ones other clubs rejected.

This is not an endorsement of Jones either - far from it. But the players are terrible. Nabbout was ok until he caught the eye of opposition managers and they soon worked out a way to nullify his games - and it's been successful in that he's done pretty much nothing of note for the last half of the season.
The previous manager didn't even leave us with a known goal scorer to lead the attack. Instead, he actually got rid of our leading goal scorer for someone that creates far less chances and indeed goals.

[MFKS]

The players have been shit for most of the season. Don't sugarcoat their performances. The mistakes that lead to goals against us and the misses we have had in front of goal are individual errors. That's got little to do with the coaching staff at this level. The players are over paid, lazy, and rate themselves far too highly - having achieved nothing in the game to warrant their high opinions of themselves.
They hang out at coffee shops like they play in the EPL when the reality is they only won 5 games all season in the lowly A-league.
I mean look at Hoole - and he did ok in parts of the season. This is his first year of actually scoring some goals and he thinks that makes him hot property on the European market ?
The players are completely deluded as are many of the fans if they think this group of players is anything more than the ones other clubs rejected.

This is not an endorsement of Jones either - far from it. But the players are terrible. Nabbout was ok until he caught the eye of opposition managers and they soon worked out a way to nullify his games - and it's been successful in that he's done pretty much nothing of note for the last half of the season.
The previous manager didn't even leave us with a known goal scorer to lead the attack. Instead, he actually got rid of our leading goal scorer for someone that creates far less chances and indeed goals.

Truth Bombs everywhere there
:thumbsup:

[Frodo]

The players have been shit for most of the season. Don't sugarcoat their performances. The mistakes that lead to goals against us and the misses we have had in front of goal are individual errors. That's got little to do with the coaching staff at this level. The players are over paid, lazy, and rate themselves far too highly - having achieved nothing in the game to warrant their high opinions of themselves.
They hang out at coffee shops like they play in the EPL when the reality is they only won 5 games all season in the lowly A-league.
I mean look at Hoole - and he did ok in parts of the season. This is his first year of actually scoring some goals and he thinks that makes him hot property on the European market ?
The players are completely deluded as are many of the fans if they think this group of players is anything more than the ones other clubs rejected.

This is not an endorsement of Jones either - far from it. But the players are terrible. Nabbout was ok until he caught the eye of opposition managers and they soon worked out a way to nullify his games - and it's been successful in that he's done pretty much nothing of note for the last half of the season.
The previous manager didn't even leave us with a known goal scorer to lead the attack. Instead, he actually got rid of our leading goal scorer for someone that creates far less chances and indeed goals.

Last year everyone slagged off Triff for being slow and lazy. He scored 9 goals and left. I liked Triff but he was never really loved by the majority of this forum.

Kokko comes in to play under Miller. Miller gets the sack, Kokko gets injured in pre season. By the time he comes back in we are in decent form so he struggles a bit for game time. He gets punched in the face by one of McKinnas mates and then we turn to crap as a team and didn't score for the last 6 games or something. He might not be good enough but he never got anywhere near a decent shot here.

He was in a new league and never got a decent run of games. He probably played with the same midfield players once or twice throughout the system. I'm not saying to resign him but in no way can you put much of the blame on our season on him alone. He would be middle of the pack when it comes to blame for this team this year.

[StannyCFCJET]

Last year everyone slagged off Triff for being slow and lazy. He scored 9 goals and left. I liked Triff but he was never really loved by the majority of this forum.

Kokko comes in to play under Miller. Miller gets the sack, Kokko gets injured in pre season. By the time he comes back in we are in decent form so he struggles a bit for game time. He gets punched in the face by one of McKinnas mates and then we turn to crap as a team and didn't score for the last 6 games or something. He might not be good enough but he never got anywhere near a decent shot here.

He was in a new league and never got a decent run of games. He probably played with the same midfield players once or twice throughout the system. I'm not saying to resign him but in no way can you put much of the blame on our season on him alone. He would be middle of the pack when it comes to blame for this team this year.

Also with Kokko would you be able to perform when your manager says to the press were open to offers for you? Rookie coach mistake 10/10

[MFKS]

Last year everyone slagged off Triff for being slow and lazy. He scored 9 goals and left. I liked Triff but he was never really loved by the majority of this forum.

Kokko comes in to play under Miller. Miller gets the sack, Kokko gets injured in pre season. By the time he comes back in we are in decent form so he struggles a bit for game time. He gets punched in the face by one of McKinnas mates and then we turn to crap as a team and didn't score for the last 6 games or something. He might not be good enough but he never got anywhere near a decent shot here.

He was in a new league and never got a decent run of games. He probably played with the same midfield players once or twice throughout the system. I'm not saying to resign him but in no way can you put much of the blame on our season on him alone. He would be middle of the pack when it comes to blame for this team this year.

He that good he can't get into a side as bad as ours

FFS who keeping him out of the side??
Nordstrand
Haliti
Sawyer
Bymora

None of them are

Call a spade a spade

He just ain't that good

[MFKS]

Also with Kokko would you be able to perform when your manager says to the press were open to offers for you? Rookie coach mistake 10/10

A bloke with a bit of heart would rise to the challenge and prove his critics wrong.

Not just meekily accept it

[Frodo]

He that good he can't get into a side as bad as ours

FFS who keeping him out of the side??
Nordstrand
Haliti
Sawyer
Bymora

None of them are

Call a spade a spade

He just ain't that good

Read my comment. i was saying that you can't complain about Triff being sold when everyone slagged him off. I don't know if Dunster slagged him off personally so he is entitled to his opinion on that point but the majority of fans didn't like how slow he was.

And then i stated that Kokko isn't the biggest problem in our squad. I even wrote that i wouldn't resign him for next year.

[Frodo]

A bloke with a bit of MONGREL would rise to the challenge and prove his critics wrong.

Not just meekily accept it

Fixed

[MFKS]

Read my comment. i was saying that you can't complain about Triff being sold when everyone slagged him off. I don't know if Dunster slagged him off personally so he is entitled to his opinion on that point but the majority of fans didn't like how slow he was.

And then i stated that Kokko isn't the biggest problem in our squad. I even wrote that i wouldn't resign him for next year.

But you are saying he hasn't had a decent shot at it

Yes Miller going and Jones coming has hampered him
Injuries haven't helped

BUT

He has had more than enough opportunity to show what he has to offer

He has not had a huge bar to jump based on the calibre of his rivals in the squad

So he has had more than enough of a shot but hasn't delivered

[The Dunster]

Also with Kokko would you be able to perform when your manager says to the press were open to offers for you? Rookie coach mistake 10/10

A professional footballer that cannot stay calm under pressure should be playing state league not A-league. If Kokko was any good he'd bang in some goals and say **** you to the coach and anyone that didn't believe in him.
Admittedly the service to him was poor as well and that's not Jones - that's the fact we don't really have anyone in the middle that can hold the ball up or direct play - other than Lei Lei - but few here actually rate the bloke.

Again, fans are making far too many excuses for players that are over paid and failing to produce on the park when it counts.

[Wilso8948]

being satisfied with a coach who has led us to a wooden spoon isn't embracing mediocrity, seriously?? just because Jones is a local and Stubbins wasn't doesn't mean there is any reason for misguided loyalties here, Jones has taken a reasonably performing group of players starting to believe in themselves and playing some decent football, that could have seen them actually a chance of snatching a finals berth, and turned them into a dire group of lacklustre can't attack can't defend easybeats in the past few months, most of it through his mismanagement of selections gamedays, to the point the players stopped believing - if that isn't the sign of a coach who has failed what is the benchmark???
Jones missed the finals. Miller missed the finals. Both failed in my opinion in their first season. Miller had a huge mid season slump and some decent results at the back half of the year to pull up the table slightly. Jones fell off early with some injuries, had a purple patch to move within the 6 and then fell off horribly at the back half of the year. Yet many were happy to give Miller another year and not Jones? I just don't get this. Are people certain he would have even had us in the 6 at any point during this season? Is it because he could talk the talk? Both coaches were/are pretty sub par when it comes to professionalism anyway. The amateur culture which surrounds the club I feel goes much deeper then just the head coach. I'd love to watch a Jets training session in full compared to a Sydney training session in full. Not just head coach roles, but assistants, players attitudes etc.

[Wilso8948]

Triff > Kokko. Triff took his chance. Put some goals away early. I think we all forget Miller slagged Triff out as well.. Or did we forget that? Triff came out and scored more goals. Imagine if he'd stayed another year and got "adjusted" to the A league like everyone goes on about. Isn't this what people argue about when defending Kokko for the slow start?
Kokko has had more than enough opportunities at this level. Be farked if he gets the whole season to "adapt". We do not have that luxury like other clubs.

[halo se7en]

Jones missed the finals. Miller missed the finals. Both failed in my opinion in their first season. Miller had a huge mid season slump and some decent results at the back half of the year to pull up the table slightly. Jones fell off early with some injuries, had a purple patch to move within the 6 and then fell off horribly at the back half of the year. Yet many were happy to give Miller another year and not Jones? I just don't get this. Are people certain he would have even had us in the 6 at any point during this season? Is it because he could talk the talk? Both coaches were/are pretty sub par when it comes to professionalism anyway. The amateur culture which surrounds the club I feel goes much deeper then just the head coach. I'd love to watch a Jets training session in full compared to a Sydney training session in full. Not just head coach roles, but assistants, players attitudes etc.

Miller came in on the back of Stubbins and no ownership. He also had a mid-season slump which he rectified with two astute signings and pulled the team back in the right direction when needed. Jones has progressively got worse with nothing positive to show as the season wore on, setting some unwanted records in the process. Miller won more games. Miller didn't win us another spoon. You can't see the difference? No-one has ever said Miller was perfect. But he had us on the right track.

[Wilso8948]

Miller came in on the back of Stubbins and no ownership. He also had a mid-season slump which he rectified with two astute signings and pulled the team back in the right direction when needed. Jones has progressively got worse with nothing positive to show as the season wore on, setting some unwanted records in the process. Miller won more games. Miller didn't win us another spoon. You can't see the difference? No-one has ever said Miller was perfect. But he had us on the right track.
I'm no advocate for Jones or Miller. But what's to say Miller would have done any better than Jones this year (I'm aware we are at the bottom). What's to say Miller would have had us in the 6 midway through last year? Jones had some injuries at the start of the season, made some changes and had us winning games at one point. Who's to say signing Bridge in January or any other signings that may have fallen over behind closed doors wouldn't have seen us do better. I believe this had a large impact on our back half finish.
I just feel as if there is so many other factors/what ifs/things that need fixing beyond the coach. Do we change the coach now? and still have the rot in the background? Do we fix the rot and make do with an average coach? I'm just throwing out some other points of view that I think a lot of people are not considering. Something that the member is trying to do in amongst all the other shit he babbles on with.