2017/18 Squad Thread

[Jeterpool]

Current State of play:

16 Under Contract,

1. Ben Kennedy- Yet to be re-signed
2. Daniel Mullen - Yet to be re-signed
3. Jason Hoffman - 17/18
4. Nigel Boogaard - 17/18
5. Ben Kantarovski - Yet to be re-signed
6. Steven Ugarkovic - 18/19
7. Andrew Hoole - Yet to be re-signed
8. Mateo Poljak - Yet to be re-signed
9. Aleksandr Kokko - 17/18
10. Wayne Brown - 18/19
11. Labinot Halti - Yet to be re-signed
12. Harrison Sawyer - Yet to be re-signed
13. Ivan Vujica - 17/18
14.
15. Andrew Nabbout - 17/18
16. Nick Cowburn - 17/18
17.
18. Ma Leilei - Yet to be resigned
19. Morten Nordstrand - Yet to be re-signed
20. Jack Duncan - 17/18
21. Daniel Alessi - 17/18
22. Lachlan Jackson - 18/19
23. Devante Clut - 17/18
24. Krisitian Brymora - Yet to be re-signed
25.
26.
27.
28.John Koutroumbis - 18/19
50. Tomislav Arcaba - Yet to be re-signed

Daniel Georgievski - 18/19
Mario Shabow - 18/19 (?)
Kosta Petratos - 17/18 (?)
Roy O'Donovan - 18/19

[lquiquer]

Current State of play:

Hasn't BK sign with Gypos?

[Jeterpool]

Hasn't BK sign with Gypos?

Not officially announced.

I mean, we all know Nobby isn't coming back but it's not been officially announced

[Frodo]

Didn't know Hoffman was off contract. Get that sorted out quickly unless he plans on playing Georgevski in his natural position and signing another LB?

Can we please resign Mullen purely because it will ruin Stanny's life? If we are going to sign Lustica to keep the plastic fans happy we can surely sign Mullen just for the LOLs and Headshakes?:rof:

[Jeterpool]

Didn't know Hoffman was off contract. Get that sorted out quickly unless he plans on playing Georgevski in his natural position and signing another LB?

Can we please resign Mullen purely because it will ruin Stanny's life? If we are going to sign Lustica to keep the plastic fans happy we can surely sign Mullen just for the LOLs and Headshakes?:rof:

He is on contract. I stuffed up.

[Guerny]

pencil in:
+1 chinese development player
+1 chilean development player

ALL five visa spots gone (kokko, brown, odon, +china, +chile)!

[StannyCFCJET]

pencil in:
+1 chinese development player
+1 chilean development player

ALL five visa spots gone (kokko, brown, odon, +china, +chile)!

Fingers crossed New Manager moves on brown and kokko

[Jetmaster]

1428

Tis done.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

pencil in:
+1 chinese development player
+1 chilean development player

ALL five visa spots gone (kokko, brown, odon, +china, +chile)!

Chilean player was quoted as being signed in January, if we had the slots open?

[Wilso8948]

Fingers crossed New Manager moves on brown and kokko
Weren't you banging on how good Kokko was a week ago?
Also Brown signed an extension. Do you honestly think they will **** him off afterwards?

[plague]

If we are going to sign Lustica to keep the plastic fans happy

Lustica will make a hell of a difference, and by him winning us games it will keep the well 'ard superfans happy too.

Steve Lustica can bring us all together.

[StannyCFCJET]

Weren't you banging on how good Kokko was a week ago?
Also Brown signed an extension. Do you honestly think they will **** him off afterwards?

If the new coach reviews the players previous season performances he should. And I havent been praising Kokko since the second mariners game. We need to stop playing this solo striker target man shit and since we never sign anyone who can actually cross I'd move Kokko on

[Grimario]

Fingers crossed New Manager moves on brown and kokko

You mean fingers crossed Lee says "yep, happy to wipe off that part of the salary cap"? It's not as simple as manager saying they are gone, we still have to eat it somewhere.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

If the new coach reviews the players previous season performances he should. And I havent been praising Kokko since the second mariners game. We need to stop playing this solo striker target man shit and since we never sign anyone who can actually cross I'd move Kokko on

What about O'Donovan feeding off Kokko? Kokko looks good at holding it up, might just need someone competent with him up there.

[StannyCFCJET]

What about O'Donovan feeding off Kokko? Kokko looks good at holding it up, might just need someone competent with him up there.

Doubt it would happen. How many managers play with two strikers these days?

[MFKS]

Boogaard
Vujica
Clut
Brown
Kokko
Jackson
Ugarkovic
Cowburn

All surplus to requirements for mine

Anyway we can ship these blokes out the door will do

As for the yet to be re-sign. They can all **** off to the NPL to

[evanhayes5]

what are people's thoughts on some of the Aussies in league one?

Chris Herd, Bradden Inman, James Meredith, Andy Rose to name a few

[lquiquer]

Boogaard
Vujica
Clut
Brown
Kokko
Jackson
Ugarkovic
Cowburn

All surplus to requirements for mine

Anyway we can ship these blokes out the door will do

As for the yet to be re-sign. They can all **** off to the NPL to

I'll keep Super Ugar and Clut ... but def would offload at a cost yeah captain pride, Kokko and Brown...

[MFKS]

I'll keep Super Ugar and Clut ... but def would offload at a cost yeah captain pride, Kokko and Brown...

I would off load them anyway we could.
Even if we have to part fund their departure

[MFKS]

what are people's thoughts on some of the Aussies in league one?

Chris Herd, Bradden Inman, James Meredith, Andy Rose to name a few

I wouldn't touch Herd with a barge pole.

We have enough mentally weak players in our club as it is.

Why recruit one??

I think you would find most of these if they are playing there are not coming home

Tend to get more luck bringing blokes home who are struggling for game time

[lquiquer]

I would off load them anyway we could.
Even if we have to part fund their departure

and definately don't renew any players off contract, they can all **** off... specially Kanta, Khunt was cracking jokes with friends at end of the game when Nabbout in tears came to shake our hands ....

[StannyCFCJET]

Boogaard
Vujica
Clut
Brown
Kokko
Jackson
Ugarkovic
Cowburn

All surplus to requirements for mine

Anyway we can ship these blokes out the door will do

As for the yet to be re-sign. They can all **** off to the NPL to

Super Ugar your mad. He would kill it at higher aleague sides

[Wilso8948]

James Meredith would be a great acquisition

[OmeletteDuFromage]

James Meredith would be a great acquisition

We just signed a left-back. Don't need him.

[evanhayes5]

Kwame Yeboah, Curtis Good, Peter Skapetis another one isnt really known similar sort of situation like Jamie Maclaren

[turbojetfireV8]

We just signed a left-back. Don't need him.

DG will however get himself suspended regularly throughout the season, so we may need back-up...

[StannyCFCJET]

We just signed a left-back. Don't need him.

He can also play RB

[Tommyjet]

Kwame Yeboah, Curtis Good, Peter Skapetis another one isnt really known similar sort of situation like Jamie Maclaren

Ryan williams. Coming off contract also worth a look at

[MFKS]

Super Ugar your mad. He would kill it at higher aleague sides

If he good enough he would stand out here

It ain't like the ****s aound him are showing him up is it??

Bloke is the most over rated player in our club for many a year

[StannyCFCJET]

If he good enough he would stand out here

It ain't like the ****s aound him are showing him up is it??

Bloke is the most over rated player in our club for many a year

Overated?? what have you been smoking today? If we release him watch how quickly he is snapped up

[Cabaye#4]

I'll keep Super Ugar and Clut ... but def would offload at a cost yeah captain pride, Kokko and Brown...
Clut? What the hell is everyone's love for this gnome?
He's a flash in a pan hack who compensates for his lack of height with attitude.
Yeh he scored some wonderstrikes at Brisbane in the ACL, but they dont care he left. Even Sean Rooney scored a gem in the ACL once. He has struggled for game time at the worst club in the league, and would be lucky to get a contract anywhere, except maybe the gypos.

[MFKS]

Overated?? what have you been smoking today? If we release him watch how quickly he is snapped up

Who cares how quickly he is snapped up

He offers very little physical presence in midfield.
He offers very little positional play in midfield

We lose the midfield battle every week and your fapping over him??

No wonder we keep getting the spoon when fans cap over mediocre players like Ugarkovic and Clut and Kokko and Mullen etc

We need better and sacrifices are needed

[MonkeyKplunk]

People need to stop with the "release this player how ever we can" crap.

It's not going to happen in any world with a salary cap. If we release them we have to pay them out from the cap, and then lose that part of the cap.
So then we have to sign another player for that position with LESS money.
How much of a quality player do you think we'll get for peanuts?

[Jeterpool]

Clut? What the hell is everyone's love for this gnome?
He's a flash in a pan hack who compensates for his lack of height with attitude.
Yeh he scored some wonderstrikes at Brisbane in the ACL, but they dont care he left. Even Sean Rooney scored a gem in the ACL once. He has struggled for game time at the worst club in the league, and would be lucky to get a contract anywhere, except maybe the gypos.

Rooney :wub:

Bloke hates gypos

[Jeterpool]

People need to stop with the "release this player how ever we can" crap.

It's not going to happen in any world with a salary cap. If we release them we have to pay them out from the cap, and then lose that part of the cap.
So then we have to sign another player for that position with LESS money.
How much of a quality player do you think we'll get for peanuts?

This!!

[MFKS]

People need to stop with the "release this player how ever we can" crap.

It's not going to happen in any world with a salary cap. If we release them we have to pay them out from the cap, and then lose that part of the cap.
So then we have to sign another player for that position with LESS money.
How much of a quality player do you think we'll get for peanuts?

Disagree we need to stop accepting mediocrity and we need to stop paying mediocrity

Just because Stubbins Millertime were dumb enough to give these blokes contracts doesn't mean we should waste a spot on them forever
Pay them out shipthem out whatever

Move on and don't make the same mistakes in future

[Bon]

People need to stop with the "release this player how ever we can" crap.

It's not going to happen in any world with a salary cap. If we release them we have to pay them out from the cap, and then lose that part of the cap.
So then we have to sign another player for that position with LESS money.
How much of a quality player do you think we'll get for peanuts?

Yep


Disagree we need to stop accepting mediocrity and we need to stop paying mediocrity

Just because Stubbins Millertime were dumb enough to give these blokes contracts doesn't mean we should waste a spot on them forever
Pay them out shipthem out whatever

Move on and don't make the same mistakes in future

Read what Monkey said again..
And replace them with who? Which quality signings that would come for less?

[PC14]

Disagree we need to stop accepting mediocrity and we need to stop paying mediocrity

Just because Stubbins Millertime were dumb enough to give these blokes contracts doesn't mean we should waste a spot on them forever
Pay them out shipthem out whatever

Move on and don't make the same mistakes in future

Keeping them until their contracts are up means we have more money to spend on better quality players. The alternative is pay them out, sign someone to replace them and then sign players for places that are already vacant. It's quite logical really.

[steve136]

Disagree we need to stop accepting mediocrity and we need to stop paying mediocrity

Just because Stubbins Millertime were dumb enough to give these blokes contracts doesn't mean we should waste a spot on them forever
Pay them out shipthem out whatever

Move on and don't make the same mistakes in future

On the other hand, just because Jones can't get these guys to perform doesn't mean they can't play.

I'm guessing a few of these guys will respond to actually having a competent coach.

[Bon]

On the other hand, just because Jones can't get these guys to perform doesn't mean they can't play.

I'm guessing a few of these guys will respond to actually having a competent coach.

Absolutely!

[westjet]

No wonder we keep getting the spoon when fans cap over mediocre players like Ugarkovic and Clut and Kokko and Mullen etc



Hows Kale Bradbery? How many years did you go on about him, pretty sure he fits everything you just said.

[MFKS]

Keeping them until their contracts are up means we have more money to spend on better quality players. The alternative is pay them out, sign someone to replace them and then sign players for places that are already vacant. It's quite logical really.

It's logical if you are prepared to accept mediocrity within the squad

Playing for this club should be a privilege not handed around ightly.

If blokes in our current squad are not deemed good enough why keep them here paying them every week??

Fat load of good it done us keeping Pavicevic Brennan Copper etc

If they ain't wanted get rid of them straight away

Kokko and Brown if they can be released free up a foreigner spot that worth more than cash if utilised well

As for these blokes improving under a new manager.

Yeah I sure Boogaard is gonna stop getting caught out for speed and giving away fouls and pens all because Jones isn't the man any more

Some people live in a world of delusion about the quality of the current squad

[Jeterpool]

Can you imagine....the Foz without the Jets

http://24.media.tumblr.com/75e2ef1b386d1c16931c12c5f36ffad8/tumblr_mhtufc4ttn1s3c16so1_500.png

[Grimario]

It's logical if you are prepared to accept mediocrity within the squad

Playing for this club should be a privilege not handed around ightly.

If blokes in our current squad are not deemed good enough why keep them here paying them every week??

Fat load of good it done us keeping Pavicevic Brennan Copper etc

If they ain't wanted get rid of them straight away

Kokko and Brown if they can be released free up a foreigner spot that worth more than cash if utilised well

As for these blokes improving under a new manager.

Yeah I sure Boogaard is gonna stop getting caught out for speed and giving away fouls and pens all because Jones isn't the man any more

Some people live in a world of delusion about the quality of the current squad

Member, how do you propose we pay all these new much better players you are suggesting we get after we blow half our cap terminating everyone's contract? Brown, Boogaard and Kokko would all easily be on well in excess of $100k a year, so are you basically saying "let's burn $300-500k of our cap space and fill it with much better players using the no money we have left because we spent it sacking blokes"?

Talk about living in a world of delusion.

[Jetmaster]

Member, how do you propose we pay all these new much better players you are suggesting we get after we blow half our cap terminating everyone's contract? Brown, Boogaard and Kokko would all easily be on well in excess of $100k a year, so are you basically saying "let's burn $300-500k of our cap space and fill it with much better players using the no money we have left because we spent it sacking blokes"?

Talk about living in a world of delusion.

Was just about to say the same thing Grim.

It's all fine to sprout what to fix, but the Member needs to stop pontificating. He has the plan, so give us the nuts and bolts of how to get rid of said players, put a cost on that to come out of the cap and then tell us how to spend the remainder and what sort of players we'll get.

No more "get rid of the deadwood and bring in better players". Just tell us, with figures, how???

[PC14]

Kokko and Brown if they can be released free up a foreigner spot that worth more than cash if utilised well



By paying them out, you instantly cut your salary cap and the amount of $$$ we can spend on the replacement.

It's just not as simple as paying them out and getting someone better in. With your logic, they would need to be better but cheaper because a portion of their salary was used up to make room for them.

The point is, you can't do them all at once all you eat your salary cap up paying them out and replacing them. Then you are still trying to fill the gaps left by the guys that haven't had their contract renewed.

[MFKS]

Member, how do you propose we pay all these new much better players you are suggesting we get after we blow half our cap terminating everyone's contract? Brown, Boogaard and Kokko would all easily be on well in excess of $100k a year, so are you basically saying "let's burn $300-500k of our cap space and fill it with much better players using the no money we have left because we spent it sacking blokes"?

Talk about living in a world of delusion.

Haven't we already burnt the money already by paying them ??

Massive chunks of our salary cap is already gone paying them.amyway

I just of the opinion instead of letting these blokes stay in Newy sucking the mango doing **** all give them their money and send them on their way

They only here taking opportunity from some other bloke who might actually represent us with pride and passion 30 matches in the season rather than the incumbents who don't do the job for their 27 week season

[Grimario]

Haven't we already burnt the money already by paying them ??

Massive chunks of our salary cap is already gone paying them.amyway

I just of the opinion instead of letting these blokes stay in Newy sucking the mango doing **** all give them their money and send them on their way

They only here taking opportunity from some other bloke who might actually represent us with pride and passion 30 matches in the season rather than the incumbents who don't do the job for their 27 week season

So... you want us to get rid of these 3 players using 15-20% of the salary cap and replace them with absolute nobodies on minimum wage who you think care more? Why not just let them play out their contract instead of signing NPL shit players or, worse, have a 20 man squad because the rest of the cap is already spent?

[The Dunster]

By paying them out, you instantly cut your salary cap and the amount of $$$ we can spend on the replacement.

It's just not as simple as paying them out and getting someone better in. With your logic, they would need to be better but cheaper because a portion of their salary was used up to make room for them.

The point is, you can't do them all at once all you eat your salary cap up paying them out and replacing them. Then you are still trying to fill the gaps left by the guys that haven't had their contract renewed.

If the club can't find a better centre back than Boogs for half of what he's getting paid they should fold the club and hand back the licence.
Paying him out makes a lot of sense as well because as long as he's here his ridiculously high wage becomes the reference point for players negotiating a contract with the Jets.
Why would anyone want to work alongside someone that's inferior to them yet on double their wage ? IT would be morale sapping to say the least.
And this is not an attack on Boogs - Good on him for cutting himself a great deal. My gripe is with the club being piss weak at the negotiation table.

[white city]

So... you want us to get rid of these 3 players using 15-20% of the salary cap and replace them with absolute nobodies on minimum wage who you think care more? Why not just let them play out their contract instead of signing NPL shit players or, worse, have a 20 man squad because the rest of the cap is already spent?

yes and its a wonder what a well classed credentialed manager can do to those players.

there was even a difference in the level of the players under Miller compared to Jones

[q-money]

Can you imagine....the Foz without the Jets

http://24.media.tumblr.com/75e2ef1b386d1c16931c12c5f36ffad8/tumblr_mhtufc4ttn1s3c16so1_500.png

:rof:

[The Dunster]

yes and its a wonder what a well classed credentialed manager can do to those players.

there was even a difference in the level of the players under Miller compared to Jones

Ridiculous comment. Miller couldn't manage his own assistant and deservedly was shown the door.
he had the team playing boring as bat shit style football as well.
Jones at least had a go for most of the season but in the last ten games or so the team played like shit for reasons unknown. Perhaps Jones got it all wrong, perhaps players started to feel the pressure knowing they could be out of a job and thought throwing the Manager under the bus was the best way to save their jobs.

I'd like to think that neither the players or management / coaches are up to the job and all should be replaced.

[Grimario]

If the club can't find a better centre back than Boogs for half of what he's getting paid they should fold the club and hand back the licence.
Paying him out makes a lot of sense as well because as long as he's here his ridiculously high wage becomes the reference point for players negotiating a contract with the Jets.
Why would anyone want to work alongside someone that's inferior to them yet on double their wage ? IT would be morale sapping to say the least.
And this is not an attack on Boogs - Good on him for cutting himself a great deal. My gripe is with the club being piss weak at the negotiation table.

I get your point, particularly on Boogs. Jackson and Jonny K would both be on substantially less and dollar for dollar, both were far better than Boogaard. Also part of his shittiness was thinking he was Gerrard half the time. Just ****ing defend and stop pinging balls around.


yes and its a wonder what a well classed credentialed manager can do to those players.

there was even a difference in the level of the players under Miller compared to Jones

Yeah, I agree. You have to wonder how differently Miller would have had us playing and whether Kokko would have been as isolated as he was this season. He came in with a great record in Finland, a goal every other game, a bunch of winners medals and I remember his first interview where he was clearly not lacking in confidence.

[Grimario]

Ridiculous comment. Miller couldn't manage his own assistant and deservedly was shown the door.
he had the team playing boring as bat shit style football as well.
Jones at least had a go for most of the season but in the last ten games or so the team played like shit for reasons unknown. Perhaps Jones got it all wrong, perhaps players started to feel the pressure knowing they could be out of a job and thought throwing the Manager under the bus was the best way to save their jobs.

I'd like to think that neither the players or management / coaches are up to the job and all should be replaced.
You have no idea how Miller intended to set things up this year though. Last year was clearly a consolidation with FFA squad and he had started to build his squad... what's to say he wasn't going to have them playing attacking football this season as well? Given we scored 21 goals in 8 pre-season games, far exceeding previous years (4 in 5, 20 in 9 which included 8 against Weston), why is your expectation that he would park the bus and play boring as bat shit football?

[Guerny]

Wouldn't we be able to payout some of these players using this seasons unused cap space (10%?)?
and move some existing players outside the cap? youth allowances, etc?

[Grimario]

Wouldn't we be able to payout some of these players using this seasons unused cap space (10%?)?
and move some existing players outside the cap? youth allowances, etc?
How do you know we have 10% unused space? Given we sacked a bunch of blokes mid-season and everyone seems to think BK, BK and Boogs are on half a mill each, where is that 10% figure from?
And we can move out BK and BK if we re-sign either for next season under the Archie Loyalty Rule. Maybe Vujica and Cowburn or whoever qualifies for that youth stuff but all of that requires spending outside the cap to achieve.

[The Dunster]

You have no idea how Miller intended to set things up this year though. Last year was clearly a consolidation with FFA squad and he had started to build his squad... what's to say he wasn't going to have them playing attacking football this season as well? Given we scored 21 goals in 8 pre-season games, far exceeding previous years (4 in 5, 20 in 9 which included 8 against Weston), why is your expectation that he would park the bus and play boring as bat shit football?

Because against quality opposition when it mattered Miller always had the team set up as if they were in damage control rather than to inflict damage upon their opponents.
And if I remember correctly other Jets teams have managed to walk all over their pre-season opponents and yet it never translated into anything positive in the A-league.
If you feel so strongly about Millers departure why do you still support the club ?

[borat]

Clut? What the hell is everyone's love for this gnome?
He's a flash in a pan hack who compensates for his lack of height with attitude.
Yeh he scored some wonderstrikes at Brisbane in the ACL, but they dont care he left. Even Sean Rooney scored a gem in the ACL once. He has struggled for game time at the worst club in the league, and would be lucky to get a contract anywhere, except maybe the gypos.

Yeah that's exactly the thinking that got Jones sacked. i.e. NFI

[Jetmaster]

Wouldn't we be able to payout some of these players using this seasons unused cap space (10%?)?
and move some existing players outside the cap? youth allowances, etc?

What I do know is that we as fans don't see the books, don't know the salaries and don't know the constraints.

We can question all we like but we don't have access to the clubs finances.

[Frodo]

If we can find clubs for some of these guys but they are offered less money than our wages, can we ship them off and only forfeit the extra amount from their contract with us?

i.e. Boogs contract = X
CCM sign him on contract worth 70% of X
We let him leave and only forfeit 30% of X from our salary cap?


I know that we can terminate by mutual consent but is there ways we push them out the door without paying the rest of their contract?

[borat]

Because against quality opposition when it mattered Miller always had the team set up as if they were in damage control rather than to inflict damage upon their opponents.
And if I remember correctly other Jets teams have managed to walk all over their pre-season opponents and yet it never translated into anything positive in the A-league.
If you feel so strongly about Millers departure why do you still support the club ?


Yeah he was no Jones was he. Kind of disappointed the season ended when it did because I reckon our winless/goalless streak could have stretched another 10 games.

It's a wonder the Jones fanboys can poke the head back up again considering where your credibility on calling anything on what constitutes decent football. Blind Freddy could tell you Jones was going to be an unmitigated disaster

[Grimario]

Because against quality opposition when it mattered Miller always had the team set up as if they were in damage control rather than to inflict damage upon their opponents.
And if I remember correctly other Jets teams have managed to walk all over their pre-season opponents and yet it never translated into anything positive in the A-league.
If you feel so strongly about Millers departure why do you still support the club ?

I don't give a shit about Miller's departure... where are you pulling that from? You are just speculating about things so I threw another IF into the mix...

And sure, we have had walkover pre-seasons before... against Weston Bears, 5 different NPL sides, an NPL select side, the Jets youth. I can't recall a pre-season where we went on an undefeated tour overseas and scored 6 unanswered goals against two A-league clubs.

The 4 goals in 5 appearances was LAST pre-season, under Miller. What a difference a year made there and then the rest is history because of the great debacle that was Miller's departure and the Jets ever present drama.


PS how much of our good season form was driven by everything Miller had set up in pre-season and Jones is actually the extremely shit coach who trained and drilled that out of them?

[borat]

Wouldn't we be able to payout some of these players using this seasons unused cap space (10%?)?
and move some existing players outside the cap? youth allowances, etc?
We spent the cap and used concessions

[borat]

You want to fix the squad.

Well first thing is you look at all the performances through the season under Jones, and Jones's statements to the press about who was and wasn't performing for him.

Then you laugh your arse off at the rantings of a madman.

Then you employ a decent coach on a 3 year deal and let them decide how they should shape the squad over 2 seasons. Not p*ss away even more money in the hope of a 1 season fix.

Guys like Kokko and Brown could likely be transferred back to Scandinavia. But I would like to see how a decent coach with an actual game plan can use them first.

[Nou Camp]

it wont come out of the cap if both parties agree to terminate the contract
ie: the player finds himself another club and the club agree to release him
anyone who doesn't want to stay would be on the phone to their agent saying find me a better deal elsewhere

anyone whos not wanted should be told tell your agent to find you another club youre not needed

[MFKS]

What I do know is that we as fans don't see the books, don't know the salaries and don't know the constraints.

We can question all we like but we don't have access to the clubs finances.

It doesn't really matter.

What I and Dunster are calling for is some ruthless decision making from the club.

Instead of letting these over paid blokes suck the mango going through the motions shake things up and send them packing

Send a message to the rest of the squad left behind that performance gets them a new deal, that performance gets them good future wages.

Not this BS where mediocrity and failure to deliver is accepted as we pick up another spoon and these players could not give a **** about it

[MFKS]

I don't give a shit about Miller's departure... where are you pulling that from? You are just speculating about things so I threw another IF into the mix...

And sure, we have had walkover pre-seasons before... against Weston Bears, 5 different NPL sides, an NPL select side, the Jets youth. I can't recall a pre-season where we went on an undefeated tour overseas and scored 6 unanswered goals against two A-league clubs.

The 4 goals in 5 appearances was LAST pre-season, under Miller. What a difference a year made there and then the rest is history because of the great debacle that was Miller's departure and the Jets ever present drama.


PS how much of our good season form was driven by everything Miller had set up in pre-season and Jones is actually the extremely shit coach who trained and drilled that out of them?

So why is Jones the only one copping the blame for our failings??

This is the bit that gets me.

How so many people negate these players of the responsibility for failure.

Jones may well have been the 2nd worst coach ever behind Muppet but those players screwed us all over

They shafted their manager but more importantly they shafted their fans.

Getting beaten is something we are use to

But those ****s just gave up the last 6 weeks of the season

No excuses for that shit ever

[Bon]

Because against quality opposition when it mattered Miller always had the team set up as if they were in damage control rather than to inflict damage upon their opponents.
And if I remember correctly other Jets teams have managed to walk all over their pre-season opponents and yet it never translated into anything positive in the A-league.
If you feel so strongly about Millers departure why do you still support the club ?

Didn't Jones play Sydney at home, with 5 at the back.. If that wasn't negative play aimed at mitigating damage, then I don't know what is.. I still remember the smug look on Arnie's face when he was chuckling about Jones having lost it before a ball was even kicked..


I don't give a shit about Miller's departure... where are you pulling that from? You are just speculating about things so I threw another IF into the mix...

And sure, we have had walkover pre-seasons before... against Weston Bears, 5 different NPL sides, an NPL select side, the Jets youth. I can't recall a pre-season where we went on an undefeated tour overseas and scored 6 unanswered goals against two A-league clubs.

The 4 goals in 5 appearances was LAST pre-season, under Miller. What a difference a year made there and then the rest is history because of the great debacle that was Miller's departure and the Jets ever present drama.


PS how much of our good season form was driven by everything Miller had set up in pre-season and Jones is actually the extremely shit coach who trained and drilled that out of them?

This..

[MFKS]

Didn't Jones play Sydney at home, with 5 at the back.. If that wasn't negative play aimed at mitigating damage, then I don't know what is.. I still remember the smug look on Arnie's face when he was chuckling about Jones having lost it before a ball was even kicked..



This..

The exact same tactic of the 3-4-3 that is actually working quite well and probably where the future is heading permanently??

Like Mourinho is being lauded as a genius for disarming Chelsea with it the other day

It was not 5 at the back Jones played

It was 3-4-3 just we were inept at playing it

[hawk]

The exact same tactic of the 3-4-3 that is actually working quite well and probably where the future is heading permanently??

Like Mourinho is being lauded as a genius for disarming Chelsea with it the other day

It was not 5 at the back Jones played

It was 3-4-3 just we were inept at playing it

You're kidding? We cannot defend with 3. They are not good enough even with 5. Jones is a clown, your his thicker bro

[Grimario]

So why is Jones the only one copping the blame for our failings??

This is the bit that gets me.

How so many people negate these players of the responsibility for failure.

Jones may well have been the 2nd worst coach ever behind Muppet but those players screwed us all over

They shafted their manager but more importantly they shafted their fans.

Getting beaten is something we are use to

But those ****s just gave up the last 6 weeks of the season

No excuses for that shit ever

I think you are reading somewhere else. Jones is copping the brunt but people are calling players out everywhere. Boogaard is overpaid and slow, Mullen is shit, our entire midfield went missing, our attackers were non existent for half a season.

What is solely on Jones though is not changing anything.

Mullen shit at right back? Cool, let's continue with him there ad nauseam whilst your normal right back and an Olyroo right back are out of position or not in the squad.
Hoole and Nabbout forget how to play football? Cool, let's continue playing them there and not see if Brymora or Haliti can change things up.
Strikers not scoring and barely ever getting the ball? Shit, let's continue doing that instead of looking at how we are set up and maybe changing things so they get a touch every now and then in meaningful positions.

That's all on Jones.

[Bon]

The exact same tactic of the 3-4-3 that is actually working quite well and probably where the future is heading permanently??

Like Mourinho is being lauded as a genius for disarming Chelsea with it the other day

It was not 5 at the back Jones played

It was 3-4-3 just we were inept at playing it

:lulzturtle:

Using a 10 at the back formation to defend him.. :gent:

[PC14]

It was not 5 at the back Jones played

It was 3-4-3 just we were inept at playing it

If your players are inept at playing a certain system, why play it?

[MFKS]

If your players are inept at playing a certain system, why play it?

They are professional players allegedly

If they can't play a 3-4-3 then they ought to give up

But that about right

Most of them need to give up

[MFKS]

I think you are reading somewhere else. Jones is copping the brunt but people are calling players out everywhere. Boogaard is overpaid and slow, Mullen is shit, our entire midfield went missing, our attackers were non existent for half a season.

What is solely on Jones though is not changing anything.

Mullen shit at right back? Cool, let's continue with him there ad nauseam whilst your normal right back and an Olyroo right back are out of position or not in the squad.
Hoole and Nabbout forget how to play football? Cool, let's continue playing them there and not see if Brymora or Haliti can change things up.
Strikers not scoring and barely ever getting the ball? Shit, let's continue doing that instead of looking at how we are set up and maybe changing things so they get a touch every now and then in meaningful positions.

That's all on Jones.

I do like your analysis on this that Jones didn't change anything

He constantly changed the team.
That probably part of his downfall.
Every week it altered

Bymora isn't good enough anyway but other thing is he been injured recently as well

Cowburn isn't the Olyroo fullback.He actually a CM

Getting selected to a squad means **** all really. He don't get selected for us as he ain't that ****ing good .

If you want to blame anyone for Jones selecting players everywhere

Try blaming the clown before him who accumulated a squad of players not good enough to be able to cement down a starting spot at a club as bad as ours and either no depth in certain spots or 6 options all equally as shit

[StannyCFCJET]

I think you are reading somewhere else. Jones is copping the brunt but people are calling players out everywhere. Boogaard is overpaid and slow, Mullen is shit, our entire midfield went missing, our attackers were non existent for half a season.

What is solely on Jones though is not changing anything.

Mullen shit at right back? Cool, let's continue with him there ad nauseam whilst your normal right back and an Olyroo right back are out of position or not in the squad.
Hoole and Nabbout forget how to play football? Cool, let's continue playing them there and not see if Brymora or Haliti can change things up.
Strikers not scoring and barely ever getting the ball? Shit, let's continue doing that instead of looking at how we are set up and maybe changing things so they get a touch every now and then in meaningful positions.

That's all on Jones.

Ding Ding Ding Logic and facts always wins. Agree 100% Grim

[StannyCFCJET]

I do like your analysis on this that Jones didn't change anything

He constantly changed the team.
That probably part of his downfall.
Every week it altered

Bymora isn't good enough anyway but other thing is he been injured recently as well

Cowburn isn't the Olyroo fullback.He actually a CM

Getting selected to a squad means **** all really. He don't get selected for us as he ain't that ****ing good .

If you want to blame anyone for Jones selecting players everywhere

Try blaming the clown before him who accumulated a squad of players not good enough to be able to cement down a starting spot at a club as bad as ours and either no depth in certain spots or 6 options all equally as shit

Jones didnt change the things Grim mentioned. And Brymora not good enough??? Do you watch him at training?? if so then ok ill defer to your judgement but if its off that 10mins away vs glory then WTF. Also I think Gombau knows a hell of alot more about football then Mark Jones and if he thinks a player has potential and what not then Id be backing his views over someone who watched Mullen get rinsed almost every week and didn't change it.

[MFKS]

Jones didnt change the things Grim mentioned. And Brymora not good enough??? Do you watch him at training?? if so then ok ill defer to your judgement but if its off that 10mins away vs glory then WTF. Also I think Gombau knows a hell of alot more about football then Mark Jones and if he thinks a player has potential and what not then Id be backing his views over someone who watched Mullen get rinsed almost every week and didn't change it.

Bymora I have seen more than enough of in the Yoof teams at the Jets.

I have seen him playing the last 3-5 years

He isn't anything other than a kid with good engines.
I baffled how he got a pro deal but that probably more a reflection on the rest of the EJ

I really couldn't give a **** if some **** called a Jets player into the Olyroo camp. That makes **** all difference to whether they are any good

FFS Blokes like Hoffman and Hoole made it once ouon a time

Also you remember last time we made the Olympics someone selected Kristian Sarkies Trent McLenahan and Mark Bridge in the squad.

**** has NFI if he thinks those blokes are competent footballers

Same clown took Raheem Sterling to Sydney and then said on closer look he is shit have him back.

Same bloke has coached the all conquering Smurfs side

So just because you get selected in a camp for an under age NT doesn't mean you have ****ing made it.
It means **** all

[hawk]

:lulzturtle:

Using a 10 at the back formation to defend him.. :gent:

:lulzturtle: mfks fighting a 1 man battle against all common sense.

[MFKS]

:lulzturtle: mfks fighting a 1 man battle against all common sense.

Fighting a 1 man battle keeping you amused more like it
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[hawk]

Fighting a 1 man battle keeping you amused more like it
5
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fosho

[StannyCFCJET]

Bymora I have seen more than enough of in the Yoof teams at the Jets.

I have seen him playing the last 3-5 years

He isn't anything other than a kid with good engines.
I baffled how he got a pro deal but that probably more a reflection on the rest of the EJ

I really couldn't give a **** if some **** called a Jets player into the Olyroo camp. That makes **** all difference to whether they are any good

FFS Blokes like Hoffman and Hoole made it once ouon a time

Also you remember last time we made the Olympics someone selected Kristian Sarkies Trent McLenahan and Mark Bridge in the squad.

**** has NFI if he thinks those blokes are competent footballers

Same clown took Raheem Sterling to Sydney and then said on closer look he is shit have him back.

Same bloke has coached the all conquering Smurfs side

So just because you get selected in a camp for an under age NT doesn't mean you have ****ing made it.
It means **** all

Fair call on Brymora ill go off your judgement. But ill disagree about cowburn

[turbojetfireV8]

"So Roy, what's it gonna be like playing for a team that doesn't have giant sauce bottles, stolen railway detonators for a fake cannon, or palm trees on their shirts??"

http://video.nbnnews.com.au/odonovanjets190417.mp4

[turbojetfireV8]

Poljak's citizenship application in limbo:

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4623329/poljak-stuck-in-holding-pattern/?cs=3398

[Jeterpool]

Tha certainly clarifies a lot of questions around when he can become a citizen. Hopefully that can be sorted out for him sooner rather than later - more for his personal walfare than footballing reasons.

It was interesting that Ugarkovic mentioned Mateo specifically about his influence on him as a player. I understand that there are many on here that don't rate Poljak but I get the sense he has a big role to play off the field as well as on it. He is like a glue amongst the playing group - almost taking the Lucas Leiva role at Liverpool - the experienced pro looking after the younger players and integrating them into the team.

[Wilso8948]

Tha certainly clarifies a lot of questions around when he can become a citizen. Hopefully that can be sorted out for him sooner rather than later - more for his personal walfare than footballing reasons.

It was interesting that Ugarkovic mentioned Mateo specifically about his influence on him as a player. I understand that there are many on here that don't rate Poljak but I get the sense he has a big role to play off the field as well as on it. He is like a glue amongst the playing group - almost taking the Lucas Leiva role at Liverpool - the experienced pro looking after the younger players and integrating them into the team.
I'd certainly sign him as a squad player provided he's not on outrageous coin and gets his citizenship. Would provide adequate injury cover come next year if we can sign some high quality midfielders.
BTW are all these visa guys getting genuine citizenship? or permanent residency?

[MFKS]

I'd certainly sign him as a squad player provided he's not on outrageous coin and gets his citizenship. Would provide adequate injury cover come next year if we can sign some high quality midfielders.
BTW are all these visa guys getting genuine citizenship? or permanent residency?

What is this line of thinking about signing blokes as squad players??

WE ARE SHIT

We got the wooden spoon AGAIN

This bloke has been here two years and has not been able to nail down a starting spot in a squad that finished 8th and 10th

Why in ****sname is anyone considering him for a spot for for the future unless you are planning on trying to be Shit forever??

This is the exact line of piss weak thinking that has got us into our hole.

Why blokes like Kanta and BK keep getting deals yet deliver very little

Don't confuse loyalty with charity

Our club has become a charity the last few years with contracts handed out to blokes well below required standard

Hopefully Merrick stops the rot

Not one of our off contract players DESERVE a contract.
Not ****ing one of them

[Grimario]

Hopefully Merrick isn't appointed.

[Jeterpool]

Mods - can this please be stickied and replace the corresponding 2016/17 thread?

[Wilso8948]

What is this line of thinking about signing blokes as squad players??

WE ARE SHIT

We got the wooden spoon AGAIN

This bloke has been here two years and has not been able to nail down a starting spot in a squad that finished 8th and 10th

Why in ****sname is anyone considering him for a spot for for the future unless you are planning on trying to be Shit forever??

This is the exact line of piss weak thinking that has got us into our hole.

Why blokes like Kanta and BK keep getting deals yet deliver very little

Don't confuse loyalty with charity

Our club has become a charity the last few years with contracts handed out to blokes well below required standard

Hopefully Merrick stops the rot

Not one of our off contract players DESERVE a contract.
Not ****ing one of them
I knew you'd pipe up at my comment.
Poljak is a big upgrade on Kanta. I could see him filling a similar role as Marinkovic at Perth, Dimitreivic at Sydney, Mahazi at Victory. Very capable players that add strength and overall squad depth.
I know you want this whole "sign 23 starters shit" but its not going to happen. I, like you would like to see us significantly raise the bar recruitment wise but I find it ironic that you call for stability then say we should sack the absolute lot of them.

[Jeterpool]

I'd certainly sign him as a squad player provided he's not on outrageous coin and gets his citizenship. Would provide adequate injury cover come next year if we can sign some high quality midfielders.


As would I.

We looked much better when he was in the team

[lil_masi]

As would I.

We looked much better when he was in the team

I would prefer a higher quality DM. We already have Uga, Brown, Koutroumbas, Cowburn. Don't need another DM squadie.

[Jeterpool]

I would prefer a higher quality DM. We already have Uga, Brown, Koutroumbas, Cowburn. Don't need another DM squadie.

I should clarify - I would look to start another DM but have Poljak on the bench.

I can see your point about the depth we have but I'd put Poljak ahead of Brown and Cowburn in that position in terms of ability. It depends on the coin he's asking for, I suppose.

[MFKS]

I knew you'd pipe up at my comment.
Poljak is a big upgrade on Kanta. I could see him filling a similar role as Marinkovic at Perth, Dimitreivic at Sydney, Mahazi at Victory. Very capable players that add strength and overall squad depth.
I know you want this whole "sign 23 starters shit" but its not going to happen. I, like you would like to see us significantly raise the bar recruitment wise but I find it ironic that you call for stability then say we should sack the absolute lot of them.

Difference between this bloke and Dmitrecevic Mahazi etc is they are superior in ability to Poljak so that argument is redundant.
All of them would be starters here Poljak isn't even guaranteed that

Secondly we don't have to sack any of them and I never used the word sack so don't load it in there

They are off contract

Not one of them is deserving of another contract based on their performances

Anyone offering them one needs to be sacked though as they are incompetent

The 10 spots or whatever we have left need to be used on blokes who are better than the blokes we have

No excuses because if we can't find 10 blokes better than currently here they are not looking very ****ing far

[Tommyjet]

Erik paartalu is available

[The Camel]

There is a bloke coming off contract at my local club when I lived in the UK Cardiff City, Peter Whittingham. He would absolutely kill it out here, cultured passer of the ball and added bonus he takes set pieces very very well. I know it won't happen but he would be awesome in the middle of the park for the jets.

[Wilso8948]

Difference between this bloke and Dmitrecevic Mahazi etc is they are superior in ability to Poljak so that argument is redundant.

In your opinion. And most of your opinion is bullshit. So your argument is redundant.

[Grimario]

There is a bloke coming off contract at my local club when I lived in the UK Cardiff City, Peter Whittingham. He would absolutely kill it out here, cultured passer of the ball and added bonus he takes set pieces very very well. I know it won't happen but he would be awesome in the middle of the park for the jets.

Scores the occasional long range screamers as well. Def won't come here.

[The Camel]

Scores the occasional long range screamers as well. Def won't come here.

He would be a good marquee/designated/outside the cap player IMO

[Guerny]

I would prefer a higher quality DM. We already have Uga, Brown, Koutroumbas, Cowburn. Don't need another DM squadie.

THIS...
We already have 17 signed squaddies / bench players, we do NOT need to sign up any more "depth".

Sign up some starters, there's only 6 spots left on the roster FFS!!!

The quality of our squad for next season is already mediocre, we need to sign up some quality now or we're just throwing next season away before it starts.

[lil_masi]

THIS...
We already have 17 signed squaddies / bench players, we do NOT need to sign up any more "depth".

Sign up some starters, there's only 6 spots left on the roster FFS!!!

The quality of our squad for next season is already mediocre, we need to sign up some quality now or we're just throwing next season away before it starts.

100% we don't have any spots left for squadies!!

[sorefootballer]

We don't even have a manager. Pretty sure the season is already over. Old optimistic khunt I am

[Wilso8948]

I would say 50% of our starting side from this season should be next years squaddies/starters, the other 50% need to be let go. Go hard at 6/7 quality players.

[lil_masi]

Even though I hope we dont get Merrick, one positive may be he might entice Burns to come to Newy. He was Wello coach when he killed it here.

[borat]

THIS...
We already have 17 signed squaddies / bench players, we do NOT need to sign up any more "depth".

Sign up some starters, there's only 6 spots left on the roster FFS!!!

The quality of our squad for next season is already mediocre, we need to sign up some quality now or we're just throwing next season away before it starts.

Have to agree. We don't have room for another DM considering the few squad spots left.

Just awesome Jones wasted spots on Petratos and Shabow.

[Tommyjet]

Even though I hope we dont get Merrick, one positive may be he might entice Burns to come to Newy. He was Wello coach when he killed it here.

My main thought since hearing about merrick too.
Burns got his first minutes since november this morning i beleive and got sacrificed after 20 due to keeper getting sent.

[borat]

Although I don't agree on signing anyone before the new manager is signed, damn Castro looked like a class above on Sunday

[MFKS]

Have to agree. We don't have room for another DM considering the few squad spots left.

Just awesome Jones wasted spots on Petratos and Shabow.

Don't worry

Miller and Stubbins filled the other spots up with squaddies

Just more proof that the decision to fire Jones was knee jerk to shit results and the powers answer to a lynch mob and don't have a plan or balls to stand strong

If it was planned to replace Jones then we don't sign Our Caravan Georgevski Shabow Petratos etc

[Jeterpool]

My main thought since hearing about merrick too.
Burns got his first minutes since november this morning i beleive and got sacrificed after 20 due to keeper getting sent.

That means he is going to be fresh :rof:

Another possible for Merrick - the attraction of Bonevacia to the club?

[MFKS]

I would say 50% of our starting side from this season should be next years squaddies/starters, the other 50% need to be let go. Go hard at 6/7 quality players.

Go hard at 6-7 players is a must

But we also need to get creative.

If Kokko is not wanted by Merrick then we need to get him a gig in the Finnish PL and free up a spot.

Repeat with the rest of the squad as well.

That going to be the big test

Getting a few extra spots free by getting creative and organising some deals

[The Dunster]

Go hard at 6-7 players is a must

But we also need to get creative.

If Kokko is not wanted by Merrick then we need to get him a gig in the Finnish PL and free up a spot.

Repeat with the rest of the squad as well.

That going to be the big test

Getting a few extra spots free by getting creative and organising some deals

Knowing this club they probably don't have enough space under the cap to make solid offers to anyone decent. And they don't have enough money or indeed non-monetary incentives to entice anyone of marquee quality to risk their reputations.

[white city]

[QUOTE=MFKS;180821]
If Kokko is not wanted by Merrick then we need to get him a gig in the Finnish PL and free up a spot.

Is it still purely speculation that Merrick is new coach going he seems the media's favourites?

i hear he is offered the job whilst other reports state Lee is interviewing candidates?

Does anyone actually know what is exactly happening at the moment

[MFKS]

[QUOTE=MFKS;180821]
If Kokko is not wanted by Merrick then we need to get him a gig in the Finnish PL and free up a spot.

Is it still purely speculation that Merrick is new coach going he seems the media's favourites?

i hear he is offered the job whilst other reports state Lee is interviewing candidates?

Does anyone actually know what is exactly happening at the moment

Foti said it is so

Just don't doubt the man

[hawk]

Although I don't agree on signing anyone before the new manager is signed, damn Castro looked like a class above on Sunday

safest signing ever

[Wilso8948]

Although I don't agree on signing anyone before the new manager is signed, damn Castro looked like a class above on Sunday

Making a signing like this automatically raises the expectations of the whole club. Watch quality players beg to come here if he did. I just don't think our management get that.

[leftrightout]

Although I don't agree on signing anyone before the new manager is signed, damn Castro looked like a class above on Sunday

Would be 1st name selected in any A-League squad. If an A-league manager told you he wasn't wanted in a team they are dreaming!

[Jeterpool]

Making a signing like this automatically raises the expectations of the whole club. Watch quality players beg to come here if he did. I just don't think our management get that.

We will ask them about their approach attracting players to the club.

[Jetmaster]

[QUOTE=white city;180828]

Foti said it is so

Just don't doubt the man

Same man said - "Tim Cahill, you heard it here first"....

Wish I knew the identity of the guy I met in a pub a while back who got off his phone and said - "Emile Heskey", 2 months before we signed him!

[MFKS]

Would be 1st name selected in any A-League squad. If an A-league manager told you he wasn't wanted in a team they are dreaming!

I reckon Arnold would say no

And I not basing that on their success this season

I basing it on he has a front line who actually run hard for 90 mins

Castro is much like ADP was in defending

[The Dunster]

I reckon Arnold would say no

And I not basing that on their success this season

I basing it on he has a front line who actually run hard for 90 mins

Castro is much like ADP was in defending

What ??????????????????? Castro does a shit load of defensive / cover work when they don't have the ball. His work rate for a guy 34 that scores goals and makes assists is awesome.

[Wilso8948]

I reckon Arnold would say no

And I not basing that on their success this season

I basing it on he has a front line who actually run hard for 90 mins

Castro is much like ADP was in defending

haha man your trolling has gone to next level shit.

[steve136]

haha man your trolling has gone to next level shit.

Play the ball, not the man.

[Grimario]

Castro wouldn't work here. Doesn't have enough mongrel and doesn't understand the Newy way.

[Bon]

Castro wouldn't work here. Doesn't have enough mongrel and doesn't understand the Newy way.

Also, has talent... Not a Newy trait..

[MFKS]

What ??????????????????? Castro does a shit load of defensive / cover work when they don't have the ball. His work rate for a guy 34 that scores goals and makes assists is awesome.

No he doesn't

Kenny has said he don't like playing Castro and Marinkovic in the same 11 as he thinks both are not up to it defensively and the team's is defending with 9

Castro is one of the main reasons Perth have a defensive record on par with us

He don't defend and Perth like to try turning the game into an end to end contest to give Castro space to play in

I love watching the bloke carve it up but he doesn't put in defensively

Smurfs main attribute this season has been them all putting in defensively.

Bobo Kokko Brosque Ninkoovic are all closing opponents down

Castro hasn't closed a bloke down in the last 2 years

[Grimario]

Come on... Perth have a shit defensive record because Marc Warren somehow has a contract.

[Grimario]

Castro 21 tackles/13 intercepts
Bobo 16/10
Brosque 19/12
Ninkovic 37/40


Where are you making your stats up from, Membah?

[Wilso8948]

No he doesn't

Kenny has said he don't like playing Castro and Marinkovic in the same 11 as he thinks both are not up to it defensively and the team's is defending with 9

Castro is one of the main reasons Perth have a defensive record on par with us

He don't defend and Perth like to try turning the game into an end to end contest to give Castro space to play in

I love watching the bloke carve it up but he doesn't put in defensively

Smurfs main attribute this season has been them all putting in defensively.

Bobo Kokko Brosque Ninkoovic are all closing opponents down

Castro hasn't closed a bloke down in the last 2 years

Whilst I understand the whole "defend with 11" shit who gives a ****. Bloke absolutely runs their team in attack. That's like saying the best CB in the comp doesn't contribute because he doesn't score enough goals

[Jetmaster]

Would rather win 5-4 than lose 0-1.

I love how football cognoscenti insist a high scoring game is "poor" football, technically and tactically.

[MFKS]

Castro 21 tackles/13 intercepts
Bobo 16/10
Brosque 19/12
Ninkovic 37/40


Where are you making your stats up from, Membah?

Stats mean **** all

Just ask Plague

[MFKS]

Whilst I understand the whole "defend with 11" shit who gives a ****. Bloke absolutely runs their team in attack. That's like saying the best CB in the comp doesn't contribute because he doesn't score enough goals
Not that I disagree with what your saying but your point is what??

The original thing was no manager in the league wouldn't want Castro

I am saying Arnold would not take him

I legitimately believe this too.

Castro is everything Arnold hates in a footballer and none of Arnold's teams have had a star

Just 11 blokes all chipping in

[Grimario]

And Castro chipping in more than Brosque and Bobo...

[Wilso8948]

Not that I disagree with what your saying but your point is what??

The original thing was no manager in the league wouldn't want Castro

I am saying Arnold would not take him

I legitimately believe this too.

Castro is everything Arnold hates in a footballer and none of Arnold's teams have had a star

Just 11 blokes all chipping in

Na you're right. Ninkovic has been average all year

[MFKS]

Na you're right. Ninkovic has been average all year

Ninkovic doesn't neglect his defensive duties though

Last game we played it was mind blowing how hard Bobo Brosque Ninkovic Holosko were making us work when we had the ball at the back

Despite the big $$$ and success they were busting their arse chasing at times lost causes

Where as our blokes would let Smurfs have a free ticket into our half as Nordstrand and Brown and Raheem etc just watched the ball go past them without breaking a sweat

[Wilso8948]

Ninkovic doesn't neglect his defensive duties though

Last game we played it was mind blowing how hard Bobo Brosque Ninkovic Holosko were making us work when we had the ball at the back

Despite the big $$$ and success they were busting their arse chasing at times lost causes

Where as our blokes would let Smurfs have a free ticket into our half as Nordstrand and Brown and Raheem etc just watched the ball go past them without breaking a sweat

You stated Arnold's teams don't have stars. I merely corrected you.

[MFKS]

You stated Arnold's teams don't have stars. I merely corrected you.

I wouldn't say Ninkovic is a star
Castro is 20 times the player

Ninkovic just had a very good season in a side on fire

When Smurfs fortunes run out he won't be the same player

Castro on the other hand would be a star even in our shit side

[Wilso8948]

I wouldn't say Ninkovic is a star
Castro is 20 times the player

Ninkovic just had a very good season in a side on fire

When Smurfs fortunes run out he won't be the same player

Castro on the other hand would be a star even in our shit side
But he ain't that good cause he doesn't defend and shit

[lquiquer]

But he ain't that good cause he doesn't defend and shit

It's not his job, it's Hoole's job.....:lulz:

[Frodo]

Now, The member may be a raving bag of annoying but i feel like some of you kids need to start reading before you post your internet fury on here.

The original point made was that Arnold wouldn't want him. Sydney just set a points record and won the league at a canter. They don't need to sign anyone so unfortunately the member is 100% right in this instance. Castro isn't needed at Sydney. Period. Deal with it.

The member even said multiple times how good he though Castro was, you are all on the same page that Castro is the best individual player in the league. So why are you feeding him more fuel for his flat earth powered mind control devices that I assume he fuels with the hatred of Jets fans on the internet?

Lean back in your chair (read: 'Throne' for those of us that are as rich as Hawk) and think about the post before retorting. Mostly because i'm sick of having to scroll through 20 posts of people arguing about minor details with the member just to get the posts that matter.


Why haven't we got Jets Shaped Hats?
Why haven't we signed Steve Lustica?
Why haven't we merged with the Sauce bottles yet?
When is SD having his next Pool party?

[MFKS]

Now, The member may be a raving bag of annoying but i feel like some of you kids need to start reading before you post your internet fury on here.

The original point made was that Arnold wouldn't want him. Sydney just set a points record and won the league at a canter. They don't need to sign anyone so unfortunately the member is 100% right in this instance. Castro isn't needed at Sydney. Period. Deal with it.

The member even said multiple times how good he though Castro was, you are all on the same page that Castro is the best individual player in the league. So why are you feeding him more fuel for his flat earth powered mind control devices that I assume he fuels with the hatred of Jets fans on the internet?

Lean back in your chair (read: 'Throne' for those of us that are as rich as Hawk) and think about the post before retorting. Mostly because i'm sick of having to scroll through 20 posts of people arguing about minor details with the member just to get the posts that matter.


Why haven't we got Jets Shaped Hats?
Why haven't we signed Steve Lustica?
Why haven't we merged with the Sauce bottles yet?
When is SD having his next Pool party?

Here is a man who just gets IT :woo::thumbsup:

[turbojetfireV8]

sign Castro = we score 50+ goals for the season... do it Martin :wub::woo::pissup:

[Wilso8948]

Now, The member may be a raving bag of annoying but i feel like some of you kids need to start reading before you post your internet fury on here.

The original point made was that Arnold wouldn't want him. Sydney just set a points record and won the league at a canter. They don't need to sign anyone so unfortunately the member is 100% right in this instance. Castro isn't needed at Sydney. Period. Deal with it.

The member even said multiple times how good he though Castro was, you are all on the same page that Castro is the best individual player in the league. So why are you feeding him more fuel for his flat earth powered mind control devices that I assume he fuels with the hatred of Jets fans on the internet?

Lean back in your chair (read: 'Throne' for those of us that are as rich as Hawk) and think about the post before retorting. Mostly because i'm sick of having to scroll through 20 posts of people arguing about minor details with the member just to get the posts that matter.


Why haven't we got Jets Shaped Hats?
Why haven't we signed Steve Lustica?
Why haven't we merged with the Sauce bottles yet?
When is SD having his next Pool party?

I just scrolled through your 5 paragraphs of shit. So I getcha

[plague]

What if we signed Castro AND Steve Lustica?




Whoa.

[StannyCFCJET]

What if we signed Castro instead of Steve Lustica?




Whoa.


Fixed mate

[plague]

Fixed mate

Please don't alter my posts to make it look like I'm giving hot takes.

I'm the one with the flower that squirts water and the never ending handkerchief.

Let me be.

[Wilso8948]

Seriously imagine a starting lineup next year of ocaravan/fbk/burns/ Castro/ugarkovic/partalu/ georgevski/boogard/Jackson/Hoffman/ Duncan
Bench players such as nabbout and similar quality.
Man the **** up Lee and make it happen

[MFKS]

Seriously imagine a starting lineup next year of ocaravan/fbk/burns/ Castro/ugarkovic/partalu/ georgevski/boogard/Jackson/Hoffman/ Duncan
Bench players such as nabbout and similar quality.
Man the **** up Lee and make it happen

Need a bit of work on the backline

That backline shipped a shit load of goals last season

[Wilso8948]

Need a bit of work on the backline

That backline shipped a shit load of goals last season

I'm aware of that. But start with scoring goals and entertaining the crowd. Members would sign on for that lineup. Plus there isn't exactly quality defenders coming out of the woodwork. Paartalu would make a big difference defensively

[lquiquer]

I think FBK will sign with us.......

[lquiquer]

I hope Castro will sign with us

[Wilso8948]

**** it throw in Milligan and move Uga to the bench as well.

[MFKS]

I hope Castro will sign with us

You Me and everyone in Newy has that hope

Hopefully some bloke in China has that dream too and actually makes it reality

[plague]

You Me and everyone in Newy has that hope


Not me.
Hope he avoids us at all costs.

[The Camel]

Kuzmanovski, Colazo, Josh Rose and Gamiero released by Melbourne City today.

Gamiero is an interesting one, if he could get his body right he could be close to the best forward in the league. It is a big if tho.

[Jeterpool]

Would people be willing to take a risk on Gamiero? I personally would for the right price as a squad player - the role Labi played this year.

And before people jump down my throat, we are going to need squad players. We can't all have first teamers.

[Macca]

Would people be willing to take a risk on Gamiero? I personally would for the right price as a squad player - the role Labi played this year.

And before people jump down my throat, we are going to need squad players. We can't all have first teamers.

That's exactly the kind of loser mentality that's put this club where they are today. Settling for second best over and over..

:gent:

[Jeterpool]

That's exactly the kind of loser mentality that's put this club where they are today. Settling for second best over and over..

:gent:

Ha ha...had it coming.

Also I'd be putting in clauses around appearances and putting him through a very thorough medical. We would need to be comfortable he is fit.

Possibly a 1 year deal with extra one in club's favour.

[Wilso8948]

Would people be willing to take a risk on Gamiero? I personally would for the right price as a squad player - the role Labi played this year.

And before people jump down my throat, we are going to need squad players. We can't all have first teamers.

I wouldn't. Personally don't rate him even when he is fit.

[Jeterpool]

I wouldn't. Personally don't rate him even when he is fit.

Was it Scott Neville he took out over in Wellington when playing for the Nix after returnign from Fulham? It was down in one of the corners, I recall.

I couldn't stand him after that...but after 2 ACL injuries to him I have kinda mellowed.

[Guerny]

And before people jump down my throat, we are going to need squad players. We can't all have first teamers.

Nice troll!

I'll bite: We do NOT need squad players, already got plenty of them. We DO need 11 first teamers which we don't have yet...

[Jeterpool]

Nice troll!

I'll bite: We do NOT need squad players, already got plenty of them. We DO need 11 first teamers which we don't have yet...

Wasn't a troll at all. I think you'll find I'm one who is pretty genuine in what I say so think about who you're having a go at before slinging mud. I'm just not interested in getting into an argument that spirals out of control - but happy to have a discussion with people who want to understand my points, as I will theirs. So in saying that...

I agree 1000% we need first teamers, but I don't think with the players coming off contract we will have the cap space to accomodate 7 or 8 first team wages. That's why I think we will need some at the lower end of the scale.

We saw last year our striking options were quite thin - Pavicevic was released, Labi didn't get a shot until the end and Kokko had time out through injuries and because Jones didn't want to play him. That's why I think there is room for someone like Gamiero.

If you'd say to me perhaps we look at Brymora to take the spot instead of Gamiero, I'd actually reconsider my point because Kristian still has time to develop - as well as good knees.

[Grimario]

time out through injuries


Gamiero

Heh.

[Jeterpool]

Heh.

:rof: very true.

That's why we need someone different than the person who did Culina's medical to put him through the paces.

[Guerny]

My bad, no mudslinging intended.

I agree we probably cannot afford 7 more first teamers under the cap, so if we cant use the "outside the cap" allowances i'd settle for FOUR? first teamers and just start next season with a minimum sized squad. Half a team of first teamers + squaddies starting each week is better than a whole team of squaddies starting each week.

The names your throwing around don't strike me as the quality i'd like to see the first team squad being, nor do i think they will excite the supporter base enough to save our membership numbers for next season.

just my 2c.

[Mark325]

Nice troll!

I'll bite: We do NOT need squad players, already got plenty of them. We DO need 11 first teamers which we don't have yet...

At the same time though, if we could move on a dude like brymora as a squaddie and replace him with a gamiero coming off the bench wouldn't that be a better option

[Grimario]

:rof: very true.

That's why we need someone different than the person who did Culina's medical to put him through the paces.

After hearing about Culina's issues, you have to wonder if he could pace at all.

[Grimario]

At the same time though, if we could move on a dude like brymora as a squaddie and replace him with a gamiero coming off the bench wouldn't that be a better option

Gameiro might as well quit football. He's crocked.

[Jeterpool]

My bad, no mudslinging intended.

I agree we probably cannot afford 7 more first teamers under the cap, so if we cant use the "outside the cap" allowances i'd settle for FOUR? first teamers and just start next season with a minimum sized squad. Half a team of first teamers + squaddies starting each week is better than a whole team of squaddies starting each week.

The names your throwing around don't strike me as the quality i'd like to see the first team squad being, nor do i think they will excite the supporter base enough to save our membership numbers for next season.

just my 2c.

All good mate. :thumbsup:

I agree four under the cap is a more than realistic target, because any use of the marquee has got to be a first teamer simply by the nature of the position so I wasn't including that.

They don't really excite me either, but the market seems pretty tight this off-season so far. I'm surprised more teams haven't put out their "released players" list. It will be a few interesting weeks. Makes the urgency around the coaching decision all the more important.

Gamiero would be a massive risk, so any wage he is on anywhere would need to reflect that (i.e. low given his poor injury record).

[Wilso8948]

Much rather they put time into a kid with huge physical attributes like Sawyer then look to sign Gamiero. Less coin too and offers a point of difference.

[Jeterpool]

Much rather they put time into a kid with huge physical attributes like Sawyer then look to sign Gamiero. Less coin too and offers a point of difference.

I forgot him!!

[Mark325]

even though guys like cowburn have an in place contract as of right now, would jets be able to move the rest of his contract outside the cap or do we have to wait until his contract runs out to do that?

[Jeterpool]

even though guys like cowburn have an in place contract as of right now, would jets be able to move the rest of his contract outside the cap or do we have to wait until his contract runs out to do that?

On what grounds would he be moved? It can't be the long serving player because he has only appeared in the A-League for 3 seasons.

[Mark325]

On what grounds would he be moved? It can't be the long serving player because he has only appeared in the A-League for 3 seasons.

Would this line up with cowburn?

Homegrown Players – A Club can spend up to a collective $150,000 on 3 Australian Players aged 23 or younger that have come through the Club’s youth system. Any payments to such Players above the $150,000 allowance are included in the Club’s Salary Cap;

[Jeterpool]

Would this line up with cowburn?

Homegrown Players – A Club can spend up to a collective $150,000 on 3 Australian Players aged 23 or younger that have come through the Club’s youth system. Any payments to such Players above the $150,000 allowance are included in the Club’s Salary Cap;

Yeah - I think it would be close. I don't know Cowburn's DoB.

[The Dunster]

Gamiero is a skilled footballer but this club is in no position to roll the dice on yet another injured player hoping they come good.
And when a club like Melb City with all their resources released Gamiero that tells me all I need to know conforming he's too much of a risk for the Jets to sign.

Cowburn. I would not keep him at any price regardless of concessions. He's simply not good enough if this club wants to be successful then they need to be signing better players than Cowburn.

And don't get me wrong here I think Cowburn is a good footballer and one who always gives 100% when wearing the Jets shirt. But to be successful we need more.

[Grimario]

Cowburn. I would not keep him at any price regardless of concessions. He's simply not good enough if this club wants to be successful then they need to be signing better players than Cowburn.

And don't get me wrong here I think Cowburn is a good footballer and one who always gives 100% when wearing the Jets shirt. But to be successful we need more.

If we are going to use outside the cap concessions, there are only so many people we can use certain ones on. Kanta for instance - he's no world beater and shouldn't be starting but as a squad player outside the cap (loyalty clause), he would be okay to keep at the club. Same for BK if he is 100% outside the cap.

Who else can we use the youth concessions on? Brymora is local and could be paid in the one Mark mentioned but who else? If we are "stuck" with Cowburn and can move his entire salary outside the cap when no one else qualifies for it, why wouldn't that be a good thing?

[Mark325]

Gamiero is a skilled footballer but this club is in no position to roll the dice on yet another injured player hoping they come good.
And when a club like Melb City with all their resources released Gamiero that tells me all I need to know conforming he's too much of a risk for the Jets to sign.

Cowburn. I would not keep him at any price regardless of concessions. He's simply not good enough if this club wants to be successful then they need to be signing better players than Cowburn.

And don't get me wrong here I think Cowburn is a good footballer and one who always gives 100% when wearing the Jets shirt. But to be successful we need more.

for the season we do have him though, when also considering we need pretty well all starting players it would be good to keep him for this season to move outside the cap so more money can be spent on those players we'll be having inside the cap, plus he's far from the worse footballer especially when taken into account his versatility to be a RB, lb, CB and in the midfield

[Mark325]

Yeah - I think it would be close. I don't know Cowburn's DoB.

Just had a geez and he turned 22 this year in March, so if we can move him outside using the homegrown player concession we should I'd say

[plague]

they are getting released from clubs that are trying to go to the next level yet we think that by signing them we can reach that level or surpass it?

City obviously planning on replacing them with better players. I'd rather the Jets get in bidding wars for those new blokes rather than the trash they just put out.

[MFKS]

for the season we do have him though, when also considering we need pretty well all starting players it would be good to keep him for this season to move outside the cap so more money can be spent on those players we'll be having inside the cap, plus he's far from the worse footballer especially when taken into account his versatility to be a RB, lb, CB and in the midfield

He has versatility only as he not good enough to hold down a ****ing spot in any position.

Why the **** are we even talking about this bloke like he some part of the solution??

He isn't.

We need to be signing better players than him

[StannyCFCJET]

He has versatility only as he not good enough to hold down a ****ing spot in any position.

Why the **** are we even talking about this bloke like he some part of the solution??

He isn't.

We need to be signing better players than him

Did you even listen to what Mark said?

[Grimario]

Did you even listen to what Mark said?

Of course he doesn't. This point has been brought up about 30,000,000 times in the past and he ignores it over and over and over again.

[MFKS]

Did you even listen to what Mark said?

Do you understand the bloke just isn't good enough

Same as Kanta

Same as BK

Etc

Who gives a **** if we can subsidise wages by moving their wages outside the cap

We still have shit players in our squad

That the main problem


It high time our fans got out of this piss weak mediocrity thinking

[MFKS]

Of course he doesn't. This point has been brought up about 30,000,000 times in the past and he ignores it over and over and over again.

Because whether these blokes are in the cap or out of the cap they are still shit

They are dragging the standards down at the club

They are also showing every bloke who comes here they can coast and get by as shit ****s like BK Kanta etc get a new gig each year

Standards improve when you start removing mediocrity from the squad

[Grimario]

Do you understand the bloke just isn't good enough

Same as Kanta

Same as BK

Etc

Who gives a **** if we can subsidise wages by moving their wages outside the cap

We still have shit players in our squad

That the main problem


It high time our fans got out of this piss weak mediocrity thinking

We are required by FFA/PFA/powers that be to have two goalkeepers registered in the squad. One of them needs to be first team quality whilst the other one can be as shit as we want with the aim for them never to play a game.Are we better off from an overall team strength perspective spending any money on that player in the cap keeping in mind that it reduces the overall salary cap available to spend on the other good players you insist we must have OR are we better off spending money outside the cap on a player like BK who is one of the few that actually qualifies for the type of outside the cap spending that is available?

Are we better off acknowledging that Cowburn and Kanta aren't amazing footballers but provide depth across multiple positions on the field and qualify for the outside the cap spending that we can't use on anyone else? Keeping in mind that we could have 3 adequate A-league squad players for the grand sum of $0,000,000.00 against the cap meaning the rest can be split up to attract higher quality players.

BK and Kanta are (probably) gone but with our Cowburn if the options are" sack him because Member said he is shit but we might as well take the salary cap hit up front" or "let's move him outside the cap and use his salary amount to attract another player in a position of dire need", can you not understand why people are talking about moving him outside the cap?

[StannyCFCJET]

We are required by FFA/PFA/powers that be to have two goalkeepers registered in the squad. One of them needs to be first team quality whilst the other one can be as shit as we want with the aim for them never to play a game.Are we better off from an overall team strength perspective spending any money on that player in the cap keeping in mind that it reduces the overall salary cap available to spend on the other good players you insist we must have OR are we better off spending money outside the cap on a player like BK who is one of the few that actually qualifies for the type of outside the cap spending that is available?

Are we better off acknowledging that Cowburn and Kanta aren't amazing footballers but provide depth across multiple positions on the field and qualify for the outside the cap spending that we can't use on anyone else? Keeping in mind that we could have 3 adequate A-league squad players for the grand sum of $0,000,000.00 against the cap meaning the rest can be split up to attract higher quality players.

BK and Kanta are (probably) gone but with our Cowburn if the options are" sack him because Member said he is shit but we might as well take the salary cap hit up front" or "let's move him outside the cap and use his salary amount to attract another player in a position of dire need", can you not understand why people are talking about moving him outside the cap?

Well said Grim

[Grimario]

Because whether these blokes are in the cap or out of the cap they are still shit

They are dragging the standards down at the club

They are also showing every bloke who comes here they can coast and get by as shit ****s like BK Kanta etc get a new gig each year

Standards improve when you start removing mediocrity from the squad

Yep, let's sack all the blokes still on contract and see what kind of player we can come up with when we have no cap space left to pay for them. Great idea, Member, great idea. Why don't you run a football club with this amazing knowledge you have of the game?

PS Good to see your friend Cabbage or whatever leafy green was called is doing the business in Bundesliga or Serie A or wherever your amazing scouting ability got him.

[The Dunster]

We are required by FFA/PFA/powers that be to have two goalkeepers registered in the squad. One of them needs to be first team quality whilst the other one can be as shit as we want with the aim for them never to play a game.Are we better off from an overall team strength perspective spending any money on that player in the cap keeping in mind that it reduces the overall salary cap available to spend on the other good players you insist we must have OR are we better off spending money outside the cap on a player like BK who is one of the few that actually qualifies for the type of outside the cap spending that is available?

Are we better off acknowledging that Cowburn and Kanta aren't amazing footballers but provide depth across multiple positions on the field and qualify for the outside the cap spending that we can't use on anyone else? Keeping in mind that we could have 3 adequate A-league squad players for the grand sum of $0,000,000.00 against the cap meaning the rest can be split up to attract higher quality players.

BK and Kanta are (probably) gone but with our Cowburn if the options are" sack him because Member said he is shit but we might as well take the salary cap hit up front" or "let's move him outside the cap and use his salary amount to attract another player in a position of dire need", can you not understand why people are talking about moving him outside the cap?

Cowburn would be on close enough to minimum wage. So even getting his wage off the cap it's not going to make much difference at all. If he was on $150k or more then yes it would be a good idea.
The better option is to find him another club so we can raise the minimum standard of our squad to a level compatible with actually challenging for a title.

And I'm not making COwburn a whipping boy either. He's a good player and always gives everything he has on the field. Problem is we need more than what he can produce if we want to be competitive with SFC and Victory over an entire season.

[MFKS]

We are required by FFA/PFA/powers that be to have two goalkeepers registered in the squad. One of them needs to be first team quality whilst the other one can be as shit as we want with the aim for them never to play a game.Are we better off from an overall team strength perspective spending any money on that player in the cap keeping in mind that it reduces the overall salary cap available to spend on the other good players you insist we must have OR are we better off spending money outside the cap on a player like BK who is one of the few that actually qualifies for the type of outside the cap spending that is available?

Are we better off acknowledging that Cowburn and Kanta aren't amazing footballers but provide depth across multiple positions on the field and qualify for the outside the cap spending that we can't use on anyone else? Keeping in mind that we could have 3 adequate A-league squad players for the grand sum of $0,000,000.00 against the cap meaning the rest can be split up to attract higher quality players.

BK and Kanta are (probably) gone but with our Cowburn if the options are" sack him because Member said he is shit but we might as well take the salary cap hit up front" or "let's move him outside the cap and use his salary amount to attract another player in a position of dire need", can you not understand why people are talking about moving him outside the cap?

This is great

Let's just negate the reality that everytime the Gypo speaks about money he keeps mentioning a budget

Because it would appear the the Chinese Lightsalesman gives the club x amount of $$ to blow on things

Let's also negate the fact we ain't even using the marquee allowances or any of that shit anyway

You keep harping on that we should use these loop holes to keep shit players.

I saying No

You use these loop holes to get better players


If we use any of these loop holes next season it should be on signing an elite player

Not to fudge the salary cap so shit **** players like Kanta and Cowburn are outside the cap

Maybe in time when we get our shit together we have a stable good squad we use these things but right now we don't touch them at all

Until we have our foreign marquee
Socceroo marquee Tim Cahill rule marquee etc and all these other marquee allowances being utilised why in ****s name are we worrying about fudging an extra 50k under the salary cap for??

Fix the real ****ing problems please

[plague]

i can dig the BK (keeper) deal going outside the cap but props on a reduced rate (is he off contract?).

As for the rest im agreeing with the good Member.

[lquiquer]

Yep agree with Member too....

[Guerny]

Agree with member too, spending money on avg players, whether inside or outside the cap is still using up squad spots and eating into our Chinese overlords budget allocation for the club. cons outweigh the pros.

[Bon]

In an ideal world, I like what The Member is saying, but it just doesn't work like that..
Who are these imaginary decent players that would want to play for a shambles of a club, and be paid fvck all for it???

What Grim is saying, is absolutely the reality of it all..

[plague]

Who are these imaginary decent players that would want to play for a shambles of a club, and be paid fvck all for it???


Well that's an entirely different question to what the Member is discussing.

There are literally thousands of better players out there.

We don't seem to have a scouting network outside of the CEO's MySpace friends and the South Australian NPL.

The answer to Members question is how much Mr Lee is going to spend. If he only gives the Gypo the salary cap amount then it doesn't matter how much is inside or outside the cap. The budget is the budget.

Now, if Mr Lee is going to spend outside the cap then sure, the allowances are in play.

But has there been any indication from anyone up high if that will be the case?

I'm assuming only the cap amount will be spent. So if that's the case resigning the same players will land us in the exact same spot.

[MonkeyKplunk]

I agree with Member... in principle.

Whilst outside the cap provisions like Club Player are great, they also take up valuable squad spots, on which there is a minimum and maximum number we can have.
Youth Player spots are much the same, except we MUST have a minimum number in the squad number. That said, we'd be better off using those youth spots to double down with the Local Player spots and save having to use 2 squad spots when we could be claiming 1.

[Grimario]

Con outweighs everyone except Tinkler.
I miss Con :(


If we have a "budget" that we are working towards, we aren't ever going to be competitive against sides who spend our entire budget on one or two players. The salary cap is fake equivalence.

[MFKS]

In an ideal world, I like what The Member is saying, but it just doesn't work like that..
Who are these imaginary decent players that would want to play for a shambles of a club, and be paid fvck all for it???

What Grim is saying, is absolutely the reality of it all..

I was speaking to someone last week about a player playing for Smurfs FC

All 3rd hand info of course as this person was speaking to an official at Smurfs FC

Subject of wages for Smurfs players came up and it was mentioned that one high profile player was on only 88k a season.

Yep only 88k

This bloke will be the bloke most likely lifting the toilet seat at FT on Sunday

Now the reason he is on that money is he wants to play at a good club


Now contrast that with the reported 6figure deals we are paying our captain and the 6figure deal we reported to be paying Raheem Sterling

Reality is there is good players out there not on anywhere near the money we are paying lesser players
That what we need to start addressing

Return on $$ spent in player wages.

[The Dunster]

I was speaking to someone last week about a player playing for Smurfs FC

All 3rd hand info of course as this person was speaking to an official at Smurfs FC

Subject of wages for Smurfs players came up and it was mentioned that one high profile player was on only 88k a season.

Yep only 88k

This bloke will be the bloke most likely lifting the toilet seat at FT on Sunday

Now the reason he is on that money is he wants to play at a good club


Now contrast that with the reported 6figure deals we are paying our captain and the 6figure deal we reported to be paying Raheem Sterling

Reality is there is good players out there not on anywhere near the money we are paying lesser players
That what we need to start addressing

Return on $$ spent in player wages.

All we need to do is look for a player without a manager to find out who it is. Because there is simply no way any player manager would be willing to accept $88k for a high profile player. It might be their wage but there will definitely be a brown paper bag or two with "bonus payments" or some kind of 3rd party deal / sweetener involved.

You could count the players in this league that rate winning over money / lifestyle on one hand. The majority of players seek a lifestyle and really couldn't care less about winning or losing as long as it doesn't affect the lifestyle they are pursuing. And by lifestyle I'm talking commodity fetish, leisure class, conspicuous consumption, and all the other shit associated with them.

[De-Champ]

I was speaking to someone last week about a player playing for Smurfs FC

All 3rd hand info of course as this person was speaking to an official at Smurfs FC

Subject of wages for Smurfs players came up and it was mentioned that one high profile player was on only 88k a season.

Yep only 88k

This bloke will be the bloke most likely lifting the toilet seat at FT on Sunday

Now the reason he is on that money is he wants to play at a good club


Now contrast that with the reported 6figure deals we are paying our captain and the 6figure deal we reported to be paying Raheem Sterling

Reality is there is good players out there not on anywhere near the money we are paying lesser players
That what we need to start addressing

Return on $$ spent in player wages.

That is one advantage a big city team has over regional sides. If I said to you you could play for any EPL team who would you pick, Man City, Utd, Chelsea or WBA Stoke etc???

[MFKS]

That is one advantage a big city team has over regional sides. If I said to you you could play for any EPL team who would you pick, Man City, Utd, Chelsea or WBA Stoke etc???

Whether it is an advantage or not isn't the issue

They are getting better performance to $$ deals from their players than we are

Take blokes like Boogaard. Now how far off value to $$ is he compared to say O'Neill and Rhyan Grant ??

Those two probably on **** all over minimum wage and they deliver every week

High time we looked at our own backyard and getting wages in order with performance

[Grimario]

Whether it is an advantage or not isn't the issue

They are getting better performance to $$ deals from their players than we are

Take blokes like Boogaard. Now how far off value to $$ is he compared to say O'Neill and Rhyan Grant ??

Those two probably on **** all over minimum wage and they deliver every week

High time we looked at our own backyard and getting wages in order with performance

If what you say is 100% true, why would anyone go to a shit club like Newcastle when they could win stuff with Sydney? There is a reason shit clubs pay more for players.

[monz6]

If what you say is 100% true, why would anyone go to a shit club like Newcastle when they could win stuff with Sydney? There is a reason shit clubs pay more for players.

So what? We just accept we are bad and stay in the same old pattern paying overs and losing? Or we take the MFKS route and rectify it to become better. I choose the latter

[Bon]

How??

[Grimario]

So what? We just accept we are bad and stay in the same old pattern paying overs and losing? Or we take the MFKS route and rectify it to become better. I choose the latter

How though? If we have a set budget and we won't send lots of money to get the better players when they can play for the same amount in capital cities, HOW?

And yes, we should get used to losing. That's all the club will ever do in the current A-League model. We and the other have nots are going to play second fiddle to the haves forever. The system built for equality is now all about getting away from equality as much as possible.

[Frodo]

So what? We just accept we are bad and stay in the same old pattern paying overs and losing? Or we take the MFKS route and rectify it to become better. I choose the latter

When the member finally gives his blueprint to fix the club i'll be happy to listen and then agree/disagree. All he has said so far is that our players suck and should be sacked and replaced with better ones. WOW, who would have thought it was that easy?

We know the squad isn't good enough, i feel like 80% of the league isn't good enough for the wages they earn. So in theory your plan is to sack 80% of the squad, sign 5 first teamers on good coin, run out of salary cap space and then forfeit every game because we only have 7 players on our books?

[Grimario]

We know the squad isn't good enough, i feel like 80% of the league isn't good enough for the wages they earn.
The false football economy, brought to you by PFA, FFA and the Salary Cap.

[Wilso8948]

Throw huge bucks at 6/7 starting quality players. Find some very good quality visa players and pay marquee wages. Get a quality/attractive starting side together and a few OK squad players will follow from other clubs. Fill the rest with youth on absolute minimum wage.

Pray to God we don't get any injuries.

[The Dunster]

The club should only be worried about signing quality players - if that means breaching the salary cap so be it. Even if we get fined and lose points they won't be able to take away from the fans the feeling of actually being competitive again.
That's if we get breached because I think the last thing Sydney FC would want is an independent review of clubs adherence to the salary cap.
Playing by the rules has gotten us nowhere - about time we treated the rules with the contempt they deserve.

[Grimario]

The club should only be worried about signing quality players - if that means breaching the salary cap so be it. Even if we get fined and lose points they won't be able to take away from the fans the feeling of actually being competitive again.
That's if we get breached because I think the last thing Sydney FC would want is an independent review of clubs adherence to the salary cap.
Playing by the rules has gotten us nowhere - about time we treated the rules with the contempt they deserve.

It all comes down to money. If we aren't going to spend, it doesn't matter about rules.

[Frodo]

Not trying to piss on anyone's parade, just trying to continue the current narrative of a few in this group, i have a few questions that maybe Dunster/the Member and the rest can answer?

We can't sign squad players because they aren't worth the money so they are out. So we can only sign first teamers? Correct?

We can only pay players what they produce on the pitch, so unless we win the league we can't pay top dollar for players?

We will have to utilise half our salary cap paying out the guys who are currently contracted so you only have half a salary cap to find this magical team that will fix all our problems?

Mr Lee hasn't offered any cash outside of the cap so far so you can't utilize concessions as well..


So to all those couch coaches, please show me the team you would put forward? I wanna hear about these top quality players who are lining up to play for us and our wonderful club?

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Subject of wages for Smurfs players came up and it was mentioned that one high profile player was on only 88k a season.

Yep only 88k



Pretty easy to do when you only put 88k on the books.

Put 150k off the books.
Buy him a new car.
Buy him a new house.
Let him root your misso twice a week.

Ez pz.

[borat]

Would this line up with cowburn?

Homegrown Players – A Club can spend up to a collective $150,000 on 3 Australian Players aged 23 or younger that have come through the Club’s youth system. Any payments to such Players above the $150,000 allowance are included in the Club’s Salary Cap;

People get so caught up in allowances that they don't realise they are completely irrelevant to the Jets and every team bar the sides using both marquee players, ie SFC/MV/MC

Let me explain

The salary cap for 16/17 is 2.6mil

The homegrown player allowance is 150k and loyalty allowance is 200k.

So if we utilised all of these that's a player budget of 2.95 mill.

Marquee players no longer have any criteria, infact they are now even called designated players. So forgetting allowances, lets assume we spent the full 2.6mill last season, but decided to designate Boogs (let's say 300k). That 300k is then outside the cap giving a player budget of 2.9mill with a 2nd designated player still to be used.

My point is this. We should not be influenced into re-signing players like kanta due to his eligibility for allowances until we utilise both marquees (designated players). They make no difference to the player budget and we end up signing a sub standard player because of it.

We should sign the best squad we can regardless of the players allowance criteria, and only once we use both designated players and soend the full cap should we care about loyalty payments.

[Wilso8948]

Not trying to piss on anyone's parade, just trying to continue the current narrative of a few in this group, i have a few questions that maybe Dunster/the Member and the rest can answer?

We can't sign squad players because they aren't worth the money so they are out. So we can only sign first teamers? Correct?

We can only pay players what they produce on the pitch, so unless we win the league we can't pay top dollar for players?

We will have to utilise half our salary cap paying out the guys who are currently contracted so you only have half a salary cap to find this magical team that will fix all our problems?

Mr Lee hasn't offered any cash outside of the cap so far so you can't utilize concessions as well..


So to all those couch coaches, please show me the team you would put forward? I wanna hear about these top quality players who are lining up to play for us and our wonderful club?

I put together a squad previously. Would involve using all marquee status.

[borat]

Just routinely paying out our underperforming players every year hides the truth that every team has underperforming players, it's the coaches job to get the best out of them.

Ryan Grant has had a stellar year but 12 months ago no other club wanted him and he stayed unsigned for quite a while before Arnold re-signed him. Most SFC fans wanted him gone in their clean out.

Grant would have performed just as dismally under Jones as the rest of our dross. Now Jones is gone we have a chance for a new manager to assess them.

Strategically paying out a player here or there to free up a squad position, if there is additional funds to spend, is wise.

[halo se7en]

Not trying to piss on anyone's parade, just trying to continue the current narrative of a few in this group, i have a few questions that maybe Dunster/the Member and the rest can answer?

We can't sign squad players because they aren't worth the money so they are out. So we can only sign first teamers? Correct?

We can only pay players what they produce on the pitch, so unless we win the league we can't pay top dollar for players?

We will have to utilise half our salary cap paying out the guys who are currently contracted so you only have half a salary cap to find this magical team that will fix all our problems?

Mr Lee hasn't offered any cash outside of the cap so far so you can't utilize concessions as well..


So to all those couch coaches, please show me the team you would put forward? I wanna hear about these top quality players who are lining up to play for us and our wonderful club?

Blah blah blah loser mentality... stop with your logic and just sign better players at a fraction of the cost. It doesn't matter how you do it, as long as it gets done. It's the easiest thing ever.

[Guerny]

Not trying to piss on anyone's parade, just trying to continue the current narrative of a few in this group, i have a few questions that maybe Dunster/the Member and the rest can answer?

We can't sign squad players because they aren't worth the money so they are out. So we can only sign first teamers? Correct?
We've already got 16 contracted squaddies, so only 7 squad spots left, so yes, lets make those signings count

We can only pay players what they produce on the pitch, so unless we win the league we can't pay top dollar for players?
i think they main argument is that we should stop paying overs for dross...

We will have to utilise half our salary cap paying out the guys who are currently contracted so you only have half a salary cap to find this magical team that will fix all our problems?
This one i'm not sure of, who says contract payouts get included in the cap? i thought that as long as your squad wage total at any point in time was under the cap you were good. As long as the contract terminations are mutually consentual you could swap in /out players as you like.
I honestly think we're stuck with the existing 16 contracted players unless they want out themselves.

Mr Lee hasn't offered any cash outside of the cap so far so you can't utilize concessions as well..
I imagine we're currently organised to simply hit the required min squad size + cap use.



my 2c.

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

We can't sign squad players because they aren't worth the money so they are out. So we can only sign first teamers? Correct?
We've already got 16 contracted squaddies, so only 7 squad spots left, so yes, lets make those signings count


I agree with that sentiment, and yes, that makes sense. But most of the conversation on here is related to players currently signed (not new players) like Cowburn et al that we are saying 'get rid of just buy better players'. Again, I would like that but it ain't that simple (as has been discussed at length on here for about 5 years).


And any contract payouts do go towards the cap. So unless someone can get a deal elsewhere we have to pay them out (generally at a lower rate than their contract, but it still reduces our amount under the cap) or let them remain for their contract and hope they get less shit (or coach them to improve).

Just out of interest I had a look at the Sydney FC squad. This is a team that uses pretty much all allowances, marquees, concessions, has big city appeal, consistent winners, pay outside the cap, arent the Jets etc and this is their squad:

http://http://www.sydneyfc.com/team

There are 6-7 players there (admittedly some of the 3 u/23's required) that are utter poo. I just don't see how it is possible to sign 'all first team players' when a club like Sydney (that just won the league in a canter) are nowhere doing it either.

[StannyCFCJET]

my 2c.

Fairly certain players contracts terminated are included in the CAP for that season. And stop paying overs for players???? How else we gonna convince players to join this shambles of a club? On field performance?? Nope Coaching?? Nope Strength of Roster?? Nope Stable Environment?? New owner and new coaches so Nope. So how else do we sign players

[plague]

Not trying to piss on anyone's parade, just trying to continue the current narrative of a few in this group, i have a few questions that maybe Dunster/the Member and the rest can answer?

We can't sign squad players because they aren't worth the money so they are out. So we can only sign first teamers? Correct?

We can only pay players what they produce on the pitch, so unless we win the league we can't pay top dollar for players?

We will have to utilise half our salary cap paying out the guys who are currently contracted so you only have half a salary cap to find this magical team that will fix all our problems?

Mr Lee hasn't offered any cash outside of the cap so far so you can't utilize concessions as well..


So to all those couch coaches, please show me the team you would put forward? I wanna hear about these top quality players who are lining up to play for us and our wonderful club?

i don't want to pay anyone out.

I actually don't hate on the likes of Cowburn etc as much as some on here.

The bit I agree with the member on is that we are talking about resigning a couple of blokes who can't make the starting squad for the team that ran dead last. At the least the remaining 6/7 squad spots should be targeted at players much better than what we have.

We should also sign a coach better than what we had.

But again, that's on the CEO. He is employed to run the football club. Part of that is having a scouting network. If he doesn't have one, he's derelict in his duty if he ain't out there working on it.

Where to get these players from? I've stated before, some of the best talent we ever had came from 'unknown' 2nd and 3rd tier Asian players.

Are we looking there? I've just been over here and the quality on display is a damn sight better than the SANPL.
(And if the Internet is to be believed) the wages are more than comparable to what we are paying.

I'd just love to see our club, for once, not look in the other clubs rubbish bins for players and coaches.

But until it happens I'm convinced we'll sign yet another Sth American/Scano/Pom who once played for a club that you may have heard of who is past his prime in the hope it all changes.

[Jetmaster]

I like this:


So to all those couch coaches, please show me the team you would put forward? I wanna hear about these top quality players who are lining up to play for us and our wonderful club?

Play a bit of Foz FM here and everyone show us the type of squad YOU would put together and how much you would pay them.

[plague]

I like this:



Play a bit of Foz FM here and everyone show us the type of squad YOU would put together and how much you would pay them.

If you had actual wages vs cap space for the existing 16 on contract we may be able to do it.

But as witnessed here no one has any real clue what our blokes are on.

[plague]

Ok here's a kid I saw over there.
Kento Hashimoto for Tokyo FC.
Played centre mid, absolutely bossed the game, was listed in 2016 as being on $60k. According to rumours that's approx 1/2 what BK is on.
So yeah give me 2 Hashimotos for the price of an oft injured bloke who can't make our starting team thanks.

Now: even if in the last 18 months his wage has gone up, the next 'Hashimoto' is prob over there in J2 waiting for a run.


Club: go find him.

[The Dunster]

Ok here's a kid I saw over there.
Kento Hashimoto for Tokyo FC.
Played centre mid, absolutely bossed the game, was listed in 2016 as being on $60k. According to rumours that's approx 1/2 what BK is on.
So yeah give me 2 Hashimotos for the price of an oft injured bloke who can't make our starting team thanks.

Now: even if in the last 18 months his wage has gone up, the next 'Hashimoto' is prob over there in J2 waiting for a run.


Club: go find him.

You might be missing a zero on that wage figure to get him to the Jets. His market value is over a million dollars. To get him here we'd probably need to make him a marquee.
He's been on loan to a J2 team but looks to be about to establish himself in J1 and has 2 goals from 8 appearances so far.

[StannyCFCJET]

I like this:



Play a bit of Foz FM here and everyone show us the type of squad YOU would put together and how much you would pay them.

Grim for manager. Not the manager we deserve but the manager we need

[Grimario]

Grim for manager. Not the manager we deserve but the manager we need

Nah, wouldn't work. In FM, you can get two marquees on around $800k-1m each and get in good players on loan for nada (which FFA banned IRL). I am simply an exploiter of game mechanics.

[lquiquer]

I am simply an exploiter of game mechanics.
Exactly what we need...:grin:

[MFKS]

When the member finally gives his blueprint to fix the club i'll be happy to listen and then agree/disagree. All he has said so far is that our players suck and should be sacked and replaced with better ones. WOW, who would have thought it was that easy?

We know the squad isn't good enough, i feel like 80% of the league isn't good enough for the wages they earn. So in theory your plan is to sack 80% of the squad, sign 5 first teamers on good coin, run out of salary cap space and then forfeit every game because we only have 7 players on our books?

I actually don't think it can be achieved in 12 months

I just don't see how even Jesus could sort this shit out in 12 months

To me it just can't happen

What though is the way forward is to actually try and ship 3 blokes in particular out.

Kokko if we can get him a club back in the shitful Scandanavian league he come from then that is a necessity

Brown being he on two years more it may be impossible to dislodge him but we need to be looking at better foreigners than him. Getting him out would be a godsend

Boogaard also needs to go. Paying big money to a slow CD who gives away pens and red cards all the time is a problem we need rid of. Hopefully find some cashed up Asian club to take him

If we can get rid of those 3 it would free up a large chunk of salary cap space. Getting rid of any of the 3 would also help

If this was to happen with the other 7 spots free it would give us 10 spots available for the new man to rebuild

10 spots ain't going to allow the new man a complete rebuild but will give him a better crack at it.

I would also happily let two blokes go who I think we could ship out easily

Ugarkovic and Nabbout would both have some currency for rival teams

I would let them go also to assist the rebuild if the opportunity arose.

Now as for signing blokes

Only be paying market value for HAL level players. I backing our recent signings OCaravan and Georgevski are getting paid better next year than they we may have needed to agree to

Start to out together a squad of 10/15 HAL level players as soon as possible and then keep building each year from then on

[plague]

You might be missing a zero on that wage figure to get him to the Jets. His market value is over a million dollars. To get him here we'd probably need to make him a marquee.
He's been on loan to a J2 team but looks to be about to establish himself in J1 and has 2 goals from 8 appearances so far.

yeah well there you go.
he was back in J1 the best player on the park against the table toppers.

surely theres plenty more out there like him, especially compared to what were trotting out over here.

[MFKS]

i don't want to pay anyone out.

I actually don't hate on the likes of Cowburn etc as much as some on here.

The bit I agree with the member on is that we are talking about resigning a couple of blokes who can't make the starting squad for the team that ran dead last. At the least the remaining 6/7 squad spots should be targeted at players much better than what we have.

We should also sign a coach better than what we had.

But again, that's on the CEO. He is employed to run the football club. Part of that is having a scouting network. If he doesn't have one, he's derelict in his duty if he ain't out there working on it.

Where to get these players from? I've stated before, some of the best talent we ever had came from 'unknown' 2nd and 3rd tier Asian players.

Are we looking there? I've just been over here and the quality on display is a damn sight better than the SANPL.
(And if the Internet is to be believed) the wages are more than comparable to what we are paying.

I'd just love to see our club, for once, not look in the other clubs rubbish bins for players and coaches.

But until it happens I'm convinced we'll sign yet another Sth American/Scano/Pom who once played for a club that you may have heard of who is past his prime in the hope it all changes.

As for where we getting our foreigners from

If we going Asian the talent is there

Some blokes in the Thai Premier League would kill it here and take nowhere near the money we wasting on the likes of Nordstrand Kokko and Brown. Skills wise they would have it over them as well.

Just need to assess their physical and mental aspects well

I know we more or less stuck going Chinese with the Chinese Lightsalesman overlord etc

But it be great to look at Koreans like LeakyG Song etc.


If we going European why do we only dabble in shit Scandanavian blokes or even worse Poms??

Surely some other **** in Spain plays football like Diego Castro??

Why we not trying to find him??

Surely some other bloke in Germany plays football like Thomas Broich??

Why we not looking there??

Surely some bloke in Italy can also play like Cannavaro??
Why we not looking for a defensive leader here instead of letting Boogaard give away pens every couple of weeks??

That's 3 of the strongest nations in world football and we ain't looking to recruit from there at all.

Vignaroli was no mug was he??

Yet for some reason we keep shopping at the shit warehouse

[plague]

Just need to assess their physical and mental aspects well


well considering our captain got out jumped twice in one game by Robbie ****ing Corthwaite i have no issue with the 'toughness' of any of the Asian blokes.

totally agree Thai players too, there are some fantastic ones out there.

[hawk]

totally agree Thai players too, there are some fantastic ones out there.

agree. they smashed indo in the SSE asean cup (- the good teams) 3-2. partied like it was 1666

[Wilso8948]

Ocaravan
Burns/Castro/FBK
Milligan/Paartalu
Georgevski/Jackson/Boogard/Hoffman
Duncan

Bench - Nabbout/Poljak/Vujica/Ugarkovic/GK

Squad - Youth and minimum wage.

Obvs that's using all marquee statuses and I know I'm clutching at straws. But Ocaravan, FBK, Partaalu would all come under the cap in a well managed club.

Until we start aiming for a squad like that we can never expect to do anything in this league.

[rhysd]

Ocaravan
Burns/Castro/FBK
Milligan/Paartalu
Georgevski/Jackson/Boogard/Hoffman
Duncan

Bench - Nabbout/Poljak/Vujica/Ugarkovic/GK

Squad - Youth and minimum wage.

Obvs that's using all marquee statuses and I know I'm clutching at straws. But Ocaravan, FBK, Partaalu would all come under the cap in a well managed club.

Until we start aiming for a squad like that we can never expect to do anything in this league.

Milligan Castro and burns. Good luck fitting that into 2 marquee positions

[MFKS]

Milligan Castro and burns. Good luck fitting that into 2 marquee positions

Thanks to Tim your now allowed 3

That being said Burns should be fitted in under the cap

[Frodo]

Ocaravan
Burns/Castro/FBK
Milligan/Paartalu
Georgevski/Jackson/Boogard/Hoffman
Duncan

Bench - Nabbout/Poljak/Vujica/Ugarkovic/GK

Squad - Youth and minimum wage.

Obvs that's using all marquee statuses and I know I'm clutching at straws. But Ocaravan, FBK, Partaalu would all come under the cap in a well managed club.

Until we start aiming for a squad like that we can never expect to do anything in this league.

Get rid of these 2 off your list and I might be interested. I'd take FBK if we can't get Castro but not both of them.

I'd tweak your dream team like this.

O'Caravan
Nabbout/Castro/Burns
Uga/Paartalu
George/Ansell/Mullen/Hoffman
Duncan

Brown/Jackson/Koutrimbus/Clut/BK

Vujica/Sawyer/Cowburn/Allessi/Poljak as squad players.

Castro and Burns would be on Marquee wages, only way to get them here. Paartalu would be on Boogards coin. Ansell can play but we need to make sure he passes his medical.

[plague]

Get rid of these 2 off your list and I might be interested. I'd take FBK if we can't get Castro but not both of them.

I'd tweak your dream team like this.

O'Caravan
Nabbout/Castro/Burns
Uga/Paartalu
George/Ansell/Mullen/Hoffman
Duncan

Brown/Jackson/Koutrimbus/Clut/BK

Vujica/Sawyer/Cowburn/Allessi/Poljak as squad players.

Castro and Burns would be on Marquee wages, only way to get them here. Paartalu would be on Boogards coin. Ansell can play but we need to make sure he passes his medical.

Even this team minus one marquee, and using BK's wage to sign a cheap back up goalie is feasible and a damn site better than what we trotted out last year.

Would have Johnny K over Mullen but your point is solid and sensible.

[Frodo]

I actually don't think it can be achieved in 12 months

I just don't see how even Jesus could sort this shit out in 12 months

To me it just can't happen

What though is the way forward is to actually try and ship 3 blokes in particular out.

Kokko if we can get him a club back in the shitful Scandanavian league he come from then that is a necessity

Brown being he on two years more it may be impossible to dislodge him but we need to be looking at better foreigners than him. Getting him out would be a godsend

Boogaard also needs to go. Paying big money to a slow CD who gives away pens and red cards all the time is a problem we need rid of. Hopefully find some cashed up Asian club to take him

If we can get rid of those 3 it would free up a large chunk of salary cap space. Getting rid of any of the 3 would also help

If this was to happen with the other 7 spots free it would give us 10 spots available for the new man to rebuild

10 spots ain't going to allow the new man a complete rebuild but will give him a better crack at it.

I would also happily let two blokes go who I think we could ship out easily

Ugarkovic and Nabbout would both have some currency for rival teams

I would let them go also to assist the rebuild if the opportunity arose.

Now as for signing blokes

Only be paying market value for HAL level players. I backing our recent signings OCaravan and Georgevski are getting paid better next year than they we may have needed to agree to

Start to out together a squad of 10/15 HAL level players as soon as possible and then keep building each year from then on


I agree with the highlighted section here very much and can definitely see some sense in the rest of your points. Uga and Nabbout wouldn't be on unbelievable coin so I think we should keep them, but if we lose them i'm not going to cry.

[Frodo]

Even this team minus one marquee, and using BK's wage to sign a cheap back up goalie is feasible and a damn site better than what we trotted out last year.

Would have Johnny K over Mullen but your point is solid and sensible.

We could also use Kanta + Hooles wages to sign one of Castro or Burns. Find another Asian Messi to play across the front line somewhere and we have kept things under the cap. The loss of both BK's could be a massive deal this year in regards to the salary cap. If anyone would take Boogs we would actually be able to build a half-decent squad wage wise. HOWEVER!!! We still need some reason to attract them to a wooden spoon winning club without overpaying too much. A reputable coach would be a start.

[PC14]

Thanks to Tim your now allowed 3



At the FFA's discretion.

[Wilso8948]

At the FFA's discretion.

I'm pretty sure they'd be happy to keep Castro in the league.

[Wilso8948]

Even this team minus one marquee, and using BK's wage to sign a cheap back up goalie is feasible and a damn site better than what we trotted out last year.


This is what I'm getting at. Its not unrealistic. People just want to accept shit because that's what we've been dished up for the past years. I'm giving out a decent squad that not everyone would agree on every player but if we got together 80% I bet we'd be comfortably in the top 6 and attract decent crowds.

[Frodo]

This is what I'm getting at. Its not unrealistic. People just want to accept shit because that's what we've been dished up for the past years. I'm giving out a decent squad that not everyone would agree on every player but if we got together 80% I bet we'd be comfortably in the top 6 and attract decent crowds.

Just wanted to make sure you knew that my comment yesterday was aimed at the guys who keep shutting down every player that gets mentioned and get all red in the cheeks when someone mentions squad player. I agree with them that we need to be signing first teamers only, but i don't see us having the ability to attract them next year. George and Caravan aren't exactly cream players like Burns and Paartalu.


I agree with you that it isn't hard to make up a decent team in this league without breaking the bank other than the fact that we have nothing to intice players other than a new addition to their cutlery drawer at home.

I also think the member is right that we need to be careful not to load up contracts with heavy wages for players who aren't going to perform for us. I would love to see us offer incentive heavy contracts to players. Not just goals bonuses and clean sheet bonuses but 1, 2 & 3 year options with pay increases each year that the club can activate should they choose. Players then have incentive to play better and know that if they stay around they will get more money.

[MFKS]

Just wanted to make sure you knew that my comment yesterday was aimed at the guys who keep shutting down every player that gets mentioned and get all red in the cheeks when someone mentions squad player. I agree with them that we need to be signing first teamers only, but i don't see us having the ability to attract them next year. George and Caravan aren't exactly cream players like Burns and Paartalu.


I agree with you that it isn't hard to make up a decent team in this league without breaking the bank other than the fact that we have nothing to intice players other than a new addition to their cutlery drawer at home.

I also think the member is right that we need to be careful not to load up contracts with heavy wages for players who aren't going to perform for us. I would love to see us offer incentive heavy contracts to players. Not just goals bonuses and clean sheet bonuses but 1, 2 & 3 year options with pay increases each year that the club can activate should they choose. Players then have incentive to play better and know that if they stay around they will get more money.

I like that thinking

Put them all on win bonuses only

Might get a few of them to aim up and actually give a **** about the club

[Macca]

Problem with incentive contracts is we still have a salary floor and cap. No good having win bonuses if when we don't win we still end up having to pay the players anyway

[plague]

I like that thinking

Put them all on win bonuses only

Might get a few of them to aim up and actually give a **** about the club


You work for tips do ya?

[MFKS]

You work for tips do ya?

Plenty of people work on Commission for performance

What's wrong with these blokes doing same same ??

We have offered salary and that don't work

Maybe incentive based is what we need

[Frodo]

Plenty of people work on Commission for performance

What's wrong with these blokes doing same same ??

We have offered salary and that don't work

Maybe incentive based is what we need

I don't mean win based contracts. Too hard to quantify per player.

I'm saying you sign a player for 2 years on $80k a season with 1, 2 & 3 year options with a $20k a year increase.

After 2 years the club has the option to keep them for another year on wages of $100k, after another year they can resign them on $120k and same after the players 4th year with the club.

The club has power over whether or not the player stays or goes. The player has an incentive to stay contracted in the form of increased wages. If they aren't good enough then we don't resign them. There aren't transfer fees so there is no risk of letting players run their contract down. If a new coach comes in and doesn't like a few players he can easily move a few off the books and replace them with whoever he wants.

Sounds great in theory, not sure if there are complications my pea sized brain hasn't thought of.

[plague]

Sounds great in theory, not sure if there are complications my pea sized brain hasn't thought of.

Only one really.
Players ain't signing such team favoured contracts if they have multiple options, which, yanno, most good players do.

[halo se7en]

Only one really.
Players ain't signing such team favoured contracts if they have multiple options, which, yanno, most good players do.

This. Until we're off the bottom of the table, the good players have the bargaining power.

[borat]

This. Until we're off the bottom of the table, the good players have the bargaining power.

Which should be patently obvious to anyone.