Insert Name Here aka The Ownership Thread

[furns]

Just in case you don't know what he is on about
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/01/09/tinkler-replaces-baartz-newcastle-jets-chairman

[lquiquer]

Just in case you don't know what he is on about
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/01/09/tinkler-replaces-baartz-newcastle-jets-chairman

Whaouououou..... What to make of it?????? Really don't know???)

[plague]

Greatest day since beating the Gypos.
Onya Tinks.

[380]

Whaouououou..... What to make of it?????? Really don't know???)


This

[Jetmaster]

It must be drugs, drugs, drugs.....(to the tune of Madness).

Honestly don't know what to make of this.....love the Knights putdowns though!

[Grimario]

It must be drugs, drugs, drugs.....(to the tune of Madness).

Honestly don't know what to make of this.....love the Knights putdowns though!

The Knights and NRL in general put down. "it's nice to wake up on a Monday morning and not have to worry about who my players have beaten up and done for DUI or whatever"

Tinkler, ****ing hell. Amazing.

[sammydog]

Way to kill the mood after the socceroos win.

Jets are doomed.

[MFKS]

This is bizarre

Be ****ing amazed if he actually takes enough of an interest and passionately backs and funds the club. Be an amazing U Turn

Either that or this is a great troll

[hawk]

"As of today I have decided to become chairman of the club," revealed Tinkler.

Tinkler will also oversee the appointment of a new CEO in the coming weeks.

"I believe in the A-League long-term and it has a special place in hearts of many Australians and we have a pretty good soccer history in Newcastle.

I know less about soccer than I do men and as a man Phil impresses me
"Since Phil was appointed I have come to really enjoy the game. He's the first coach who has sought me out to tell me what he is doing, what needs to be fixed, who's playing well and the like.

And being involved in soccer, it's nice to wake up on a Monday morning and not have to worry about who my players have beaten up and done for DUI or whatever.

"But, unfortunately for these guys a lot of the decisions they over the years haven't come off. You recruit the best people you think at the time and it may, or may not work.
"But they had to courage to live by their decisions and they have died by their decisions and full credit to them. Sacked

"I took on the Jets as a bit of courtesy and charity towards my community on the Hunter but now is the time where I feel I can put my hands on the wheel and appreciate the game, the people involved and what is required."

Confirming that the 'for sale' signs were now being torn down, Tinkler explained: "There were interested parties out there previously (Scottish outfit Dundee United was one). The process went on for about six months and as our performances on the field fizzled, so did the offers."

Still calls it sokkah:blink: & believes in the Aleague:rof::rof:

So between the lines Tinks realises he cant sell the club until he removes most of the current regime, keeps someone who he can trust & gets the team winning again all encasulated by seeming like a nice sensitive local guy. Well done Nathan

[hawk]

Don't lie. The Mariners don't have fans



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAhEFuq62-I

[Jetmaster]

Expect Con to be named CEO.

[Wilso8948]

I reckon he's just had a massive Friday night on tha piss

[GazFish35]

1. We might get those training balls now.
2. "being involved in soccer, it's nice to wake up on a Monday morning and not have to worry about who my players have beaten up and done for DUI or whatever. In a corporate sense it's a lot better to be involved in soccer than rugby league."
Best quote in club history, besides "we done it"
3. Tinks in town while the Asian money is in the country..... He's still selling, selling assets is how he made his money isn't it?

[matty]

Something very strange that doesnt sit well about this whole week, dundee saying they are very interested still, rm and rb simultaneously "resigning" and now this... I dont think this is the end of this situation of uncertainty, but hey if the big man truly has had a change of heart and is going to throw money into our club and give the team the things it needs than so be it, but I wont be holding my breath just yet

[sammydog]

This is bizarre

Be ****ing amazed if he actually takes enough of an interest and passionately backs and funds the club. Be an amazing U Turn

Either that or this is a great troll

How as an owner do you go from not paying bills for the Internet (and presumably a bucketload of other bills) one day, to being super keen and hands on the next.

Screams to me of not wanting to pay someone else to be Chairman. Will be interesting to see if he is genuine with his desire to have us do well.

Maybe he has finally realised he has run the club into the ground and it won't sell until it is operating smoothly on and off the pitch.

The timing now makes it look like Middleby and Baartz were pushed but allowed to go in a way that saved face.

[Tommyjet]

Tony sage has something to do with this, surely. My bet is that sage has some scheme brewing and has peaked tinks interests.

Hopefully we see some change in stubbins but not holding my breath.

[MFKS]

I am thinking we may be seeing the Clive Palmer I am gonna piss the FFA off to get out of the HAL plan Mk2

Tinks as chairman making bizarre decisions

Crowd caps
Picking yoof team
Even has Mitch Cooper on the books to make captain

If the big man starts his own political party it is on


Something about this does not sit right and I will be amazed if Tinks becomes the benefactor we wanted and gets this club running properly.

Be though an absolute ****ing hoot and one of the best trolls of all time if the big man funds the club adequately and makes great appointments and gets us reaching our potential all the while why the big man is taking potshots at the dog molesters.

Can't see it happening though

[Jeterpool]

I saw this and immediately thought of the Simpsons episode where burns and Smithers run the power plant by themselves

He's a cunning bloke and does everything for a reason. I wonder what's going on

[Tommyjet]

We are gonna need one hell of a CEO

[joel31]

With his knowledge of football and knowing his history. This won't end well.

He'll still try and dispose of us or sell us, men don't change like that without a catalyst and Tinks as greedy and self-centred as he appears in the media surely couldn't have changed

[WolfMan]

He lost me at "Soccer"

[Jeterpool]

He lost me at "Soccer"

Yep. If he was serious he'd know better

[Rocknerd]

The bloke is a business man. He over estimated what people would buy, so now he's getting the better homes and gardens crew in to give the club a make over, maybe add a patio and slap a few extra dollars on the price tag.
He's serious about making the club sellable, that works for me if it gets us sailing right again. I don't expect the premiership or grand final but playing competitively would do nicely

[hausmann]

IMO he is simply reacting to the middlebynandnbaartz resignations. He wants to keep the club so he can sell it. But there will be clauses in the license agreement that gives the FFA the power to strip him of the license if the jets can't field a competitive team or they don't fill all the prescribed organisational positions. So he has just said that he will be the chairman himself and will get some monkey in as CEO to improve his legal position. The rest is bravado.

[MFKS]

Not buying the whole he is gonna bend his back and put in angle to get the club up to a standard he can get a sale done at the correct price he wants.

If he wants to sell in the future to get the money he wants the only way he can do that is to spend money.

Reality is HAL Clubs are costing 1-2 million a season to run anyway. Add in the fact we are in such a hole there is no way out for him other than to spend to buy us out of our hole.

Spending on coaches and admin staff and players is gonna be required to get us back on an even keel. There is no way around that. Phil Stubbins is no miracle worker from what we have seen so far and ain't even getting the best out of what he has now. If things don't change with better resources players staff etc it is not naïve but stupid beyond belief to believe we will turn things around with the status quo which lets remember has diminished considerably in the last 6 months.

Considering his past record and the level of disgust at his business practices there is no chance in hell of the corporate world coming on board with sponsorship etc to ease the burdens anytime soon unless onfield performance improves out of sight.

I just do not see how he could actually be legitimately looking to rebuild the club to only cut and run in the immeadiate future. Best case scenario for him is it is gonna take him 12 months to get us sellable. This season is gone so his only hope is to rebuild us in the next pre season. Sure he can sign players of note quality staff etc which costs money but lets remember if he doesn't his costs are gonna increase as our fed up members will drop off and his revenue will be reduce and his outgoings to fund the club will increase.

Why in ****sname would he want to put in all the extra time effort and money to try to get us to a level where we are re sellable to make his $5million price tag??
It will probably end up costing him more to do it and there is no guarantee it will even work.

If he wanted to sell seriously he would take Dundee Utd's offer or negotiate a better deal there cut his losses and walk away.


No way in the world he is serious on tarting us up with the intention of sale.

He may be doing the backflip he is claiming and is gonna sort it out and get us right and cost himself shitloads of money in the meantime but there is no way he is doing it for a sale just to reach what he views the club as worth on the open market.


The reasons behind this are one of two things
Tinks is genuine and is planning on sticking around
Tinks is moving pawns into place for war with the FFA

I do also find the timing of his announcement bizarre in that it hit the press/public at a time the Socceroos are playing and the Asian Cup had just started. Not like he has done stunts before where the timing has been quite dubious and hurtful to the code

[Tommyjet]

Valid points member.

Key questions I guess we will get answered in due time.

Is he seriously changing and in for the long haul?
Is there anyone left willing to have him as their employer?
Is there any businesses/businessmen left willing to invest with tinks? Asia maybe?
Are we going to be able to attract players of any note if tinks puts up decent coin?
If he is taking this on seriously, will tinks ever be trusted again?
Will troy palmer be the CEO?
How long until tinks changes his mind again?
Is tinks still vastly wealthy?

[MFKS]

Tinks is wealthy make no mistake about that he has hid it well and he just doesn't have a great cash flow but he still has the coin. Most of his issues have been cash flow related and he has done well to survive and consolidate in the last 2 years when many a man would succumb

If he is genuine there is no reason we can't get quality players. After all they are mercenaries anyway.
Throw enough cash at a quality player and he will come. Throw enough cash at a quality coach and they will come. Sign one quality player or appoint a quality coach and then all players will want in.


Will Tinks be trusted?? Quite frankly the bloke goes out and signs quality like say Tim Cahill or a Steve Gerrard and throws his cash seriously behind the club and makes signings with an intent to put the HAL on note that Newy is back and we mean ****ing business I can guarantee you every half arsed Newy fan on the planet is on board. Make no mistake about that.

Some will continue to doubt him from gritted teeth but we fans are a fickle bunch and will forgive and forget quite quickly if the good times return or we are showing serious intent to get the good times back.
If he don't show serious intent he is gonna be pushing shit up a hill though as the sentiment towards him is already low and plodding along half arsed will only draw more disgust



Whether he is serious is a good question. We will soon find out in coming weeks.

My personal opinion is no. He is setting up for war with the FFA. I feel he feels after shopping the club around the interest isn't there and his best option is to get the FFA to pay him off. I am thinking our club is being stripped bare to be a basketcase all the while Tinks is doing everything he has to within his licence agreement with the FFA so they can not touch him/strip him of the club legally. That being said his actions will no doubt be pissing people off and I feel his intention is to piss people off enough that the FFA has to bite the bullet and say here is 3 million now we want the club back and you to **** off.

Tinks get his money and the FFA get the club back to start again and we fans in the meantime are being screwed and our dreams and aspirations for our football club are being used as pawns once again

[Grimario]

Tinks get his money and the FFA get the club back to start again and we fans in the meantime are being screwed and our dreams and aspirations for our football club are being used as pawns once again

Ahahahaha. You can't be a jets fan if you have dreams and aspirations. The club crushed mine long ago.

[380]

Tinks is wealthy make no mistake about that he has hid it well and he just doesn't have a great cash flow but he still has the coin. Most of his issues have been cash flow related and he has done well to survive and consolidate in the last 2 years when many a man would succumb

If he is genuine there is no reason we can't get quality players. After all they are mercenaries anyway.
Throw enough cash at a quality player and he will come. Throw enough cash at a quality coach and they will come. Sign one quality player or appoint a quality coach and then all players will want in.


Will Tinks be trusted?? Quite frankly the bloke goes out and signs quality like say Tim Cahill or a Steve Gerrard and throws his cash seriously behind the club and makes signings with an intent to put the HAL on note that Newy is back and we mean ****ing business I can guarantee you every half arsed Newy fan on the planet is on board. Make no mistake about that.

Some will continue to doubt him from gritted teeth but we fans are a fickle bunch and will forgive and forget quite quickly if the good times return or we are showing serious intent to get the good times back.
If he don't show serious intent he is gonna be pushing shit up a hill though as the sentiment towards him is already low and plodding along half arsed will only draw more disgust



Whether he is serious is a good question. We will soon find out in coming weeks.

My personal opinion is no. He is setting up for war with the FFA. I feel he feels after shopping the club around the interest isn't there and his best option is to get the FFA to pay him off. I am thinking our club is being stripped bare to be a basketcase all the while Tinks is doing everything he has to within his licence agreement with the FFA so they can not touch him/strip him of the club legally. That being said his actions will no doubt be pissing people off and I feel his intention is to piss people off enough that the FFA has to bite the bullet and say here is 3 million now we want the club back and you to **** off.

Tinks get his money and the FFA get the club back to start again and we fans in the meantime are being screwed and our dreams and aspirations for our football club are being used as pawns once again


Tend to agree with the member here on this issue.

I thnk this is nothing more than Tinkler making himself more visible and in the face of the FFA to embarress them into some form of action.

No way did this bloke just have some sort of epiphany and fall in love with the club.

[GazFish35]

Lol.
So now the club need to spend money?
A few weeks back you were claiming finances weren't a reason we were struggling.

[WolfMan]

Tend to agree with the member here on this issue.

I thnk this is nothing more than Tinkler making himself more visible and in the face of the FFA to embarress them into some form of action.

No way did this bloke just have some sort of epiphany and fall in love with the club.

+1

[redwah]

Lol.
So now the club need to spend money?
A few weeks back you were claiming finances weren't a reason we were struggling.

Like I said in another thread yesterday...he changes his tune to suit whatever he wants to bitch about on the day...only interested in being No1 whinger not anything positive.

[MFKS]

Lol.
So now the club need to spend money?
A few weeks back you were claiming finances weren't a reason we were struggling.

So me pontificating about hypothetical scenarios to reason out Tinks motives for this about face and how things would play out or have to play out is a vindication of me endorsing the need to spend money to resolve our situation??
:facepalm:

I still stand by where my position was we do not need to spend money to dig ourselves out of the hole we are in
Honesty Hard Work and appointing the right people to get us to where we want to be are the way forward for us to get where we want to go.

Money would help obviously but we can get there without it.


I though don't see if Tinks backflip is genuine in nature he has the ability to recruit the right people required for the task at hand to do it with his money supporting ambition let alone the scenario where it is trying to be achieved without money backing it

[borat]

Too much double guessing the motives here for me.

Tinks's statements tell the story. He is getting low ball offers for an asset that is worth something due to running it into the ground and telling the world how desperate he is to sell.

I would also suggest he has some inside info on the next TV deal that will increase the clubs value.

What money he spends in the transfer window will be a good indicator.

[redwah]

So me pontificating about hypothetical scenarios to reason out Tinks motives for this about face and how things would play out or have to play out is a vindication of me endorsing the need to spend money to resolve our situation??
:facepalm:

I still stand by where my position was we do not need to spend money to dig ourselves out of the hole we are in
Honesty Hard Work and appointing the right people to get us to where we want to be are the way forward for us to get where we want to go.

Money would help obviously but we can get there without it.

I though don't see if Tinks backflip is genuine in nature he has the ability to recruit the right people required for the task at hand to do it with his money supporting ambition let alone the scenario where it is trying to be achieved without money backing it

No! No we can't. Unless there are some world class administrators, coaches, fitness coaches, dietitians, physios, etc out there that volunteer there time to a professional football team it will take money to get them on board. Hard work by those already here will help but money is the end of the line....sorry to keep harping on about it but every argument I see you put forward involves the input of capital in some way or other. If it didn't then the people doing the job already obviously aren't pulling there weight and should be sacked immediately.

[MFKS]

If it didn't then the people doing the job already obviously aren't pulling there weight and should be sacked immediately.

That I agree with. We have far too many people at the club not contributing much benefit to us considering the $$ we spend paying them a wage.



Keep telling me again we need money. Other clubs don't have money but can at least put competitive competent clubs together.
Gypos up until recently :roflz: Roar when Ange took over had little money and look what happened there and Phoenix Pissants this season can form competitive clubs by employing the correct people and getting good results from them.

Keep telling me again we need money??
We just need to spend what money we do have much much much better than we have been doing.


Keep telling me again we need money

[redwah]

That I agree with. We have far too many people at the club not contributing much benefit to us considering the $$ we spend paying them a wage.



Keep telling me again we need money. Other clubs don't have money but can at least put competitive competent clubs together.
Gypos up until recently :roflz: Roar when Ange took over had little money and look what happened there and Phoenix Pissants this season can form competitive clubs by employing the correct people and getting good results from them.

Keep telling me again we need money??
We just need to spend what money we do have much much much better than we have been doing.


Keep telling me again we need money

What is it people use to employ others? Chocolate crackles, Fairy dust, good intentions,hollow promises? Don't know about you but my employer pays me money to do my job.....?

[redwah]

That I agree with. We have far too many people at the club not contributing much benefit to us considering the $$ we spend paying them a wage.



Keep telling me again we need money. Other clubs don't have money but can at least put competitive competent clubs together.
Gypos up until recently :roflz: Roar when Ange took over had little money and look what happened there and Phoenix Pissants this season can form competitive clubs by employing the correct people and getting good results from them.

Keep telling me again we need money??
We just need to spend what money we do have much much much better than we have been doing.


Keep telling me again we need money

Yeah Gypos had stability in there managers and management from the start up. How much do you think Arnold was on there? Why would he leave a club that has constantly makes the finals for a basket case like the smurphs? Look what happened at the roar...they got new owners and more investment. I don't doubt that other clubs work under tight budgets but working under a budget of nothing is pretty difficult. Employing the right people is exactly what we need in all departments, from management to support staff, to coaches to players but coming from the low footing that we are it will take a bucket load of cash to get the right people.

I'm all for getting it right, hell we all deserve it to be better but as most have pointed out, it ain't happening while tinkerbell is in charge...you know it, i know it hell even he knows it.

[GazFish35]

Crowe didn't with souffs.

Didn't spend a dime apparently.

[plague]

What is it people use to employ others? Chocolate crackles, Fairy dust, good intentions,hollow promises? Don't know about you but my employer pays me money to do my job.....?

If you read some of the specific arguments on here people (like me) were saying that it wasn't just money, it was the people in charge of spending the money that was the real problem. Giving the same people more money wouldn't necessarily fix our problems.
Now that the bloke writing the cheques is the same one that's signing them we may see a different mindset.

Although I really hope that Tinks is doing this just to go to war with the FFA. It would be epic.

[plague]

Crowe didn't with souffs.

Didn't spend a dime apparently.

Crowes whole motivation behind buying Souths was that he was already giving them money every year and he got sick of how it was being spent.
Let's hope Tinks has similar results.

[GazFish35]

So he did spend money!

[redwah]

If you read some of the specific arguments on here people (like me) were saying that it wasn't just money, it was the people in charge of spending the money that was the real problem. Giving the same people more money wouldn't necessarily fix our problems.
Now that the bloke writing the cheques is the same one that's signing them we may see a different mindset.

Although I really hope that Tinks is doing this just to go to war with the FFA. It would be epic.

I agree but with more money you can employ better, more capable people to spend said money, how ever much they are given.

Look I don't disagree with the points raised that the club, as a whole, has been managed poorly. From the issues with Con, to letting the spine of a championship winning team go to the multitide of issues that have come with Tinklers reign. In its time there has been some positives also (most generated by the faith that the fans put in (membership numbers for a basketcase club being the main one)) but whether it's Tinkler's money, the FFAs or someone elses the decision making needs to be better and for that to happen you need the right people and those people cost money, then they want others that cost money and so and so on.

If it was all down to good decision making and not investment plenty of people could get a club going, plenty of people make good business decisions all the time but professional sport isn't just about good decisions. They help big style but other factors play their part.

[MFKS]

What is it people use to employ others? Chocolate crackles, Fairy dust, good intentions,hollow promises? Don't know about you but my employer pays me money to do my job.....?

You do realise we already pay coaches players and admin cold hard cash to do a job don't you??
For that money spent the results we are getting across the board are pretty below average

Maybe if we appoint a coach who actually gets our players playing to our potential we might get somewhere??

This can be done by not paying top $$ but by finding a coach who unlike GVE has an idea to implement his vision and unlike Stubbins who actually has a vision

As you said Arnie was not on top $$ on the Coast but that club done their due diligence and assessed who he was what he wanted to do and believed he could do what he claimed he would do.

As for money being a good indicator to success I will point out that of the 9 HAL titles only 4 have been one by clubs with the coin and resources in Sydney and Victory. The other 5 have been one by clubs who actually are no better off than their opponents but were managed and run better than the opposition.

Roar are not in the poor arse end of town but the Bakrie group are not giving them funding at a level any greater than other HAL clubs out there

[redwah]

You do realise we already pay coaches players and admin cold hard cash to do a job don't you??
For that money spent the results we are getting across the board are pretty below average

Maybe if we appoint a coach who actually gets our players playing to our potential we might get somewhere??

This can be done by not paying top $$ but by finding a coach who unlike GVE has an idea to implement his vision and unlike Stubbins who actually has a vision

As you said Arnie was not on top $$ on the Coast but that club done their due diligence and assessed who he was what he wanted to do and believed he could do what he claimed he would do.

As for money being a good indicator to success I will point out that of the 9 HAL titles only 4 have been one by clubs with the coin and resources in Sydney and Victory. The other 5 have been one by clubs who actually are no better off than their opponents but were managed and run better than the opposition.

Roar are not in the poor arse end of town but the Bakrie group are not giving them funding at a level any greater than other HAL clubs out there

Since you're across the financial goings on of all the clubs I'll be forced to bow to your greater knowledge. Lets hope the next CEO, coach , manager are chock full of good old fashion know how......and patience and humour and forgiveness and want to turn a blind eye and gumption and whatever else you need to make something succesful with **** all support from the man that controls the money....they'll need it.

[GazFish35]

Since you're across the financial goings on of all the clubs I'll be forced to bow to your greater knowledge. Lets hope the next CEO, coach , manager are chock full of good old fashion know how......and patience and humour and forgiveness and want to turn a blind eye and gumption and whatever else you need to make something succesful with **** all support from the man that controls the money....they'll need it.

And that they agree to be paid in chocolate coins.

[Wilso8948]

I reckon andy Roberts would work for chocolate coins

[Premy]

What's this Sokkah he speaks of?

[De-Champ]

That I agree with. We have far too many people at the club not contributing much benefit to us considering the $$ we spend paying them a wage.



Keep telling me again we need money. Other clubs don't have money but can at least put competitive competent clubs together.
Gypos up until recently :roflz: Roar when Ange took over had little money and look what happened there and Phoenix Pissants this season can form competitive clubs by employing the correct people and getting good results from them.

Keep telling me again we need money??
We just need to spend what money we do have much much much better than we have been doing.


Keep telling me again we need money

For your information MFKS The Jets are the lowest spending club out there.

[Raw Boned Youngster]

I think big Tinks just misses the limelight. Like lots of once successful types whose star fades for one reason of another, many seem to find it hard to adjust. He has been on the success roller coaster from local sparky, to mega successful, to the dreaded failed tycoon... He probably wants his Big Dipper (no carry on gags please) to head up gain... actually, if in some bizarre way, he can bring about a positive change, he may be re accepted by the broader sporting community who have gone through the ups and downs with him and seen him as a saviour and then hated his ample guts. maybe the big fellow wants to restore his public standing and thinks this is his best chance.

[hawk]

That I agree with. We have far too many people at the club not contributing much benefit to us

sack the crowd, improve mental health

[MFKS]

For your information MFKS The Jets are the lowest spending club out there.

Yes this year we are.

We have not been in the last few years under Tinkler.

Don't let the last few months of Tinks cutting costs and wanting out before last nights back flip cloud the judgement that we have been under funded under Tinks.

For the most part of his reign when he has been funding marquees for us like Heskey and Culina we have been more than adequately funded just let down by those he has paid who have not achieved anything by their poor decision making levels of competence or even performing at an appropriate level of performance in their roles

[lquiquer]

@FOXFOOTBALL: Tinkler on a collision course with FFA over Newcastle Jets http://t.co/S8DyleW64j #foxfootball via @SmithiesTele

[MFKS]

@FOXFOOTBALL: Tinkler on a collision course with FFA over Newcastle Jets http://t.co/S8DyleW64j #foxfootball via @SmithiesTele

Until he breaches his licence there is **** all they can do to him other than make him an offer for the club.

FFA caused this mess by giving him the club and stabbing con in the back in the first place.

If they wish to rectify this it is time to put up or shut up

[Tommyjet]

Ok FFA pays tinks 5m to f&$k off and then sell us to dundee for whatever their willing to pay. Small price to pay to have a healthy newcastle franchise again.

[plague]

@FOXFOOTBALL: Tinkler on a collision course with FFA over Newcastle Jets http://t.co/S8DyleW64j #foxfootball via @SmithiesTele

Best news.
Get at em Tinks.

[Blackmac79]

**** Tinkler. Blokes all cock and no balls

[defor]

makes good sense to me, win win

[defor]

we need new owner, with money. half the players we have are not up to it,whoever the coach is. that's just a fact.

[De-Champ]

Yes this year we are.

We have not been in the last few years under Tinkler.

Don't let the last few months of Tinks cutting costs and wanting out before last nights back flip cloud the judgement that we have been under funded under Tinks.

For the most part of his reign when he has been funding marquees for us like Heskey and Culina we have been more than adequately funded just let down by those he has paid who have not achieved anything by their poor decision making levels of competence or even performing at an appropriate level of performance in their roles

In previous years as well. We have never spent as much as Sydney, victory, heart, adelaide, perth and dare I say it CCM

[plague]

**** Tinkler. Blokes all cock and no balls

and the haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate...........
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[Xander]

So Garry Kenneth who played 163 games for Dundee United has signed with the Buds for 2015 NPL. Implications for the Jets?

[MFKS]

In previous years as well. We have never spent as much as Sydney, victory, heart, adelaide, perth and dare I say it CCM

Yep utter horseshit

The years we were paying Heskey 700k and had a squad full of blokes on good money there was not one complaint we were stinging on the salary cap.

Remind me who Gypos had at this time as their marquee?? No one

Yet your telling me we were getting outspent by the Gypos.

FMD

As for your list Smurfs Yes ADP was not cheap Victree maybe but they never really has a marquee after Kewell failing until Berisha unless you count Contreras last season but the rest of them no.

Heart were broke and a basketcase until City bought them. Adelaide ain't wealthy now FFS. Perth if they have been with the players they have had in recent years they were paying overs.

Next time think before typing it would help

[I changed my user name]

Yep utter horseshit

The years we were paying Heskey 700k and had a squad full of blokes on good money there was not one complaint we were stinging on the salary cap.

Remind me who Gypos had at this time as their marquee?? No one

Yet your telling me we were getting outspent by the Gypos.

FMD

As for your list Smurfs Yes ADP was not cheap Victree maybe but they never really has a marquee after Kewell failing until Berisha unless you count Contreras last season but the rest of them no.

Heart were broke and a basketcase until City bought them. Adelaide ain't wealthy now FFS. Perth if they have been with the players they have had in recent years they were paying overs.

Next time think before typing it would help

Must agree with you hear MFKS , its not the lack of spending over last few years but what we have been spending it on .

[foti68]

Must agree with you hear MFKS , its not the lack of spending over last few years but what we have been spending it on .

I agree last year we had a team that should of made the finals. We had Heskey up front one of the best players for winning the ball in the air in the comp but how many crosses found him in the box SFA. We had the comps top scorer in Taggart. The only thing we lacked was a decent no10 and a manager that had any idea his tactics were laughable. This year our team is worse and our manager makes decisions about 2 weeks late i am just waiting for him to unzip his suit and GVE step out. I just hope the FFA sees some potential in the Jets and keeps us here next year.

[MFKS]

FOOTBALL Federation Australia will likely make their first step towards stripping embattled Newcastle Jets owner Nathan Tinkler of his A-League licence when senior officials Damien de Bohun and John Kelly meet with the club’s senior management on Monday.

FFA head of A-League De Bohun and chief operating officer Kelly will begin a thorough examination of the Jets’ operational and financial viability under Tinkler after the former billionaire’s stunning backflip on Friday on selling the club.

The Newcastle Herald has been told a debt of more than $140,000 to Northern NSW Football from shortfalls in Emerging Jets and W-League funding in 2014 will be central in discussions.

The Herald has been told the Jets also owe about $40,000 in rent at their Ray Watt Oval training ground, but speculation of ‘‘tens of thousands of dollars’’ in unpaid fees at Hunter Stadium was rejected by Hunter Venues general manager Bicci Henderson.

‘‘We are comfortable with our position with the Jets,’’ Henderson said. ‘‘They are up to date as far as I’m concerned.’’

After searching for a new Jets owner since August last year, Tinkler declared on Friday that the club was off the market and he would replace Ray Baartz as chairman.

Baartz and chief executive officer Robbie Middleby resigned on Thursday.

FFA chief executive David Gallop responded with a statement on Saturday saying the ‘‘Jets’ current operation raises serious concerns’’ and confirmed that the governing body would send senior executives to Newcastle on Monday to ‘‘examine the club’s operating position’’.

The Herald reported in November that the Jets had withdrawn funding for the Emerging Jets and W-League for 2015, but NNSWF chief executive David Eland conceded on Sunday that Tinkler had also failed to meet his obligations in 2014.





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Eland would not comment on the amount owed but said NNSWF ‘‘have been tireless in our efforts to settle this debt through every level of management at the Jets, at HSG and the Tinkler Group, and it remains unpaid’’.

On not disclosing the shortfall earlier, Eland said: ‘‘Our preference was that this matter was settled between football stakeholders and not in the media.’’

He said the debt would be reported to Northern NSW members in their annual report in March.

While all of the Jets’ debts are a worry to FFA, the money owed to NNSWF and Tinkler’s withdrawal of support for the Emerging Jets and the city’s W-League team are believed to be high on the governing body’s concerns.

On top of the 2014 debt, Tinkler reneged on the final year (2015) of a three-year deal to fund the Emerging Jets to the tune of $140,000 annually.

NNSWF is entitled to the 2015 grant under a memorandum of understanding also signed by the Jets and FFA in late 2012, but Eland said his organisation would not be ‘‘invoicing’’ Tinkler.

‘‘We are holding out that the potential new owners of the Jets will want to honour the MOU and continue to make a contribution,’’ Eland said.

‘‘But, given the history of 2014, the board was not prepared to budget for any contribution from HSG.’’

The Jets’ agreement to partially fund the W-League side ended after the 2014 season.

The Herald believes Tinkler stopped meeting his obligations to NNSWF midway through 2014 and about $100,000 of the debt relates to the Emerging Jets program, while the remainder is owed to the national league women’s side.

NNSWF has increased its funding and raised fees for the Emerging Jets program to compensate for the loss of support in 2015.

It is believed FFA will tell the Jets on Monday that payment of the debt and their renewed support for NNSWF are critical to proving their ability to run a sustainable and stable club with genuine community engagement.

‘‘FFA is just one of many stakeholders in Newcastle that needs to be satisfied that the Newcastle Jets are in fact on a new path under the continuing ownership of [Tinkler’s] Hunter Sports Group,’’ FFA chief executive David Gallop said in his statement on Saturday.

‘‘Our focus remains on the stability and sustainability of each A-League club.

‘‘On that test, the Newcastle Jets’ current operation raises serious concerns.

‘‘FFA will be sending senior executives to Newcastle to examine the club’s operating position.

‘‘In this regard, FFA’s view has not changed in the past 24 hours and it’s premature to suggest that FFA has provided any endorsement.

‘‘What we want to see is a strong Newcastle Jets club with a deep engagement with the Hunter community.

‘‘That’s the core strength of football in the region.’’

FFA has resisted calls to address operational and financial issues at the Jets while the club has been negotiating with potential buyers, in particular Scottish club Dundee United owner Stephen Thompson.

However, Tinkler’s decision to take the Jets off the market is believed to have changed FFA’s stance.

When contacted on Sunday, Middleby was reluctant to comment on the debt situation before meeting with the FFA officials.


Looks like it is Clive Palmer mk2 and FFA see right through the I am backing the Jets bluff

[MFKS]

Kevin Cranston with his finger on the pulse



NATHAN Tinkler still talks a good game.

Whether it’s countering suggestions of his financial ruin, detailing his planned second coming as a mining tycoon, fending off accusations in ICAC, spruiking the sale of his horse-racing empire, blaming others for his downfall or railing against anyone who questions his intentions, the former billionaire certainly has the gift of the gab.

So it was on Friday when the reluctant Newcastle Jets owner surprisingly announced that he was taking the club off the market and appointing himself chairman with a view to restoring the A-League battlers to their former glory.

‘‘I believe in the A-League long-term, and it has a special place in the hearts of many Australians, and we have a pretty good soccer history in Newcastle,’’ he told The World Game website.

‘‘We need to get back to proving we are a winning club, and we are in the market during the window for possibly a couple of players.’’

Tinkler went on to explain that he had grown to ‘‘love the game’’.

‘‘I took on the Jets as a bit of courtesy and charity towards my community in the Hunter, but now is the time where I feel I can put my hands on the wheel and appreciate the game, the people involved and what is required.’’

This was the same Jets club of which he declared in August: ‘‘I can’t wait to get them out the door.’’ Back then, Tinkler repeated that ‘‘there will be no racing stables or football teams in my future’’, because he had ‘‘got a bit sick of funding other people’s playthings and being blamed when they didn’t work out’’.





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Tinkler’s claim on Friday that he had ‘‘always had the support of the FFA’’ was quickly countered by FFA boss David Gallop. Whether Tinkler is fair dinkum about the rest of it remains to be seen, but Jets fans would be forgiven for being cynical.

Like Knights fans, some might argue they were promised the world by Tinkler and given an atlas.

And Tinkler maintained that he would meet his obligations to the Knights right up until the club was forcibly taken from him by the NRL, at which point they discovered a financial quagmire that took months and millions of dollars to sort out.

But the FFA doesn’t have to give Tinkler the benefit of the doubt any more. The Jets owner’s about-face on the sale of the club means that the gloves are off.

While he was trying to sell the club, FFA was content to give him time and space to do that. But having declared that the club is off the market, Tinkler now has to prove he has the financial capacity to run it according to the terms of his licence. On the face of it, Tinkler will find it difficult to do that.

His thoroughbred racing properties in the Hunter Valley and Queensland remain unsold, and the Australian Taxation Office is holding two mortgages worth about $40million on those anyway.

(Herald reporter Donna Page revealed on Saturday that Tinkler is trying to rebirth his Hunter holdings as a cattle and lucerne farm.)

There is also the matter of an alleged stray $5million from another Tinkler company, Patinack Farm Administration, which is the subject of court action by Adelaide-based liquidator Anthony Matthews and Associates. Tinkler, his former right-hand man, Troy Palmer, and Patinack’s former chief financial officer Tony Marshall were summonsed to appear at a public examination of the failed company in December, but last-minute negotiations had the hearing adjourned to the Adelaide Supreme Court in March.

So proving his ability to own an A-League club may not be the most pressing matter on Tinkler’s to-do list.

Perhaps it was his intention to force FFA to step in.

While there is genuine interest from Scottish Premier League club Dundee United, their owner, Stephen Thompson, is not prepared to pay the $5million Tinkler is asking for the Jets.

By declaring his devotion to the A-League and the Jets, Tinkler is effectively saying to the FFA: ‘‘If you want it, come and get it.’’

And if push comes to shove, it could be that Tinkler believes he is entitled to some compensation for the money he has poured into the Jets, especially given he believes FFA made him pay overs in the first place.

The thing FFA would be at pains to avoid is the messy and expensive dispute that the NRL endured when evicting Tinkler from the Knights.

History proves that talk is often cheap with Tinkler, but getting him out of a sporting club is not easy

[GazFish35]

So, who is paying for the training balls?

[sammydog]

The way I see it though, spending on field is different to spending off field.

On field the salary cap dictates that unless you waste it, you should be competitive. Marque is a bonus and we have had one up until this year.

Off field though with back room staff and facilities is another thing altogether and this is where I see us really falling compared to other clubs. Id love to see a comparison with other clubs in relation to staffing levels and roles within clubs. I think this is where the Tinkler regime has really looked to cut corners and it shows.

[Jeterpool]

This is going to get messy. However this process starts, I just hope they take Tinkler on after he has been removed from the club and not while he is still in it.

By that, I mean I hope the FFA are running us on a day-by-day basis while they take Tinkler on in the courts or away from the club. It would be in our best interest so that we can focus on improving and not have Tinkler undermining us from within.

Either way, I think the next month is going to be interesting. I have a feeling it will kick off soon.

[Jeterpool]

Off field though with back room staff and facilities is another thing altogether and this is where I see us really falling compared to other clubs. Id love to see a comparison with other clubs in relation to staffing levels and roles within clubs. I think this is where the Tinkler regime has really looked to cut corners and it shows.

The Jets have the smallest back office group in the league. The Mariners have 50% more people than we do.

[GazFish35]

Must agree with you hear MFKS , its not the lack of spending over last few years but what we have been spending it on .

Where the money has been spent, had largely been dictated by HSG.
Who controlled how, where and when money was spent has been the issue all along.

[sammydog]

Jets Auctioning Jerseys to pay for the Youth Teams.

http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/jets-launch-memrabilia-auctions/1tmft1ocrtw2p1mhah0kgrittq

Yep, we are a financially viable club.

[plague]

Y'all are quick turning your backs on the great man Tinks.

Remembers Cons infamous line about the grass being greener.....

We should be careful what we wish for.

[Jeterpool]

$400 starting bid for Taggart and Griff. Far out.

[Grimario]

Y'all are quick turning your backs on the great man Tinks.

Remembers Cons infamous line about the grass being greener.....

We should be careful what we wish for.

The grass is dying and yellow where I am. But hey, at least Tarek and bubs play here.

[De-Champ]

Yep utter horseshit

The years we were paying Heskey 700k and had a squad full of blokes on good money there was not one complaint we were stinging on the salary cap.

Remind me who Gypos had at this time as their marquee?? No one

Yet your telling me we were getting outspent by the Gypos.

FMD

As for your list Smurfs Yes ADP was not cheap Victree maybe but they never really has a marquee after Kewell failing until Berisha unless you count Contreras last season but the rest of them no.

Heart were broke and a basketcase until City bought them. Adelaide ain't wealthy now FFS. Perth if they have been with the players they have had in recent years they were paying overs.

Next time think before typing it would help

Gee you talk some crap. If only you knew what you were talking bout. Why don't you do some research before you post bullshit. Victree had a turnover of $14 million in the 2013 year, and made a small profit ($200,000odd) which means they spent $13+million. Do you honestly think the Jets spent that much. Sydney was not far behind them in turnover, Perth spent huge amounts maybe not to the extent of $12million but still more than the jets, ditto with Adelaide and CCM. They CCM did spend a biton the centreof exellence etc.
My original post made no mention of spendin on players, it merely said spending in general. As someone said spending on facilities etc is just as important as spending on players, as part of the attraction for players to go to a club is not just the amount they are getting paid but also failities etc.

[Grimario]

$400 starting bid for Taggart and Griff. Far out.

$200 starting bid for guys who reached their peak being shit players for us. If you buy it, you're paying $200 for a used shirt that one of our shit players scribbled on. What a joke.

[plague]

Jets Auctioning Jerseys to pay for the Youth Teams.

http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/jets-launch-memrabilia-auctions/1tmft1ocrtw2p1mhah0kgrittq

Yep, we are a financially viable club.

What's Bridges' starting price?

[MFKS]

Gee you talk some crap. If only you knew what you were talking bout. Why don't you do some research before you post bullshit. Victree had a turnover of $14 million in the 2013 year, and made a small profit ($200,000odd) which means they spent $13+million. Do you honestly think the Jets spent that much. Sydney was not far behind them in turnover, Perth spent huge amounts maybe not to the extent of $12million but still more than the jets, ditto with Adelaide and CCM. They CCM did spend a biton the centreof exellence etc.
My original post made no mention of spendin on players, it merely said spending in general. As someone said spending on facilities etc is just as important as spending on players, as part of the attraction for players to go to a club is not just the amount they are getting paid but also failities etc.

Seeing as Tinks don't pay the bills anyway hard to get a true perspective on how much money the club spends anyway.

Whether we are spending 13million or 8 million is complete irrelevant. We are spending our money poorly. That needs to change so we are at the top level of making decisions that actually get us value for money

Considering clubs in this country don't own **** all of training facilities bar that COE at Gypo land and they have barely spent **** all on it in the last 2years let alone anyone owning their own ground can you enlighten me as to what the other 8 HAL clubs are investing in facility wise??

I will be intrigued to hear your answer for this??

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Tinks is 100% setting himself up to request some compensation from the FFA for his licence since he cant find a buyer. This stoush is going to be much more interesting than what happens on the field for the us.

[De-Champ]

Seeing as Tinks don't pay the bills anyway hard to get a true perspective on how much money the club spends anyway.

Whether we are spending 13million or 8 million is complete irrelevant. We are spending our money poorly. That needs to change so we are at the top level of making decisions that actually get us value for money

Considering clubs in this country don't own **** all of training facilities bar that COE at Gypo land and they have barely spent **** all on it in the last 2years let alone anyone owning their own ground can you enlighten me as to what the other 8 HAL clubs are investing in facility wise??

I will be intrigued to hear your answer for this??
this coming from you was the most surprising post of all. You always seem to know all about players and quality of teams etc... The mind boggles on how you can spend money on facilities etc... I will give you one example though. Way back when Wellington was owned by the Greek guy and Ricky Herbert was the coach, they played an A League game in Australia (nothing unusual about that) and had to play the following week in Australia as well (two games in a row on the road again nothing unusual about that) When they played the first game instead of travelling back to NZ they stayed the whole week in Australia to avoid all the travelling. I know it is hard for you to imagine, but don't you think there would have been added (expenses) spending in that, hotels etc. Have the Jets ever done that? I would dare to say the Jets would do the reverse to save a few bob, they would travel the day before and come back the day after the game, or of it was an early kick off come back after the game to save on costs.

[MFKS]

So now your telling me spending on hotel rooms is spending on facilities.
I just don't know what to do with that so I will just laugh.



If I remember right we had a two games in Melburn over Xmas the other year and the boys stayed there.
We also had a midweek game in Wellington and then flew to Milburn instead of returning to Newy

Theres two examples that blow your theory out of the water. Both funded by Tinks.

[BodyNovo]

So now your telling me spending on hotel rooms is spending on facilities.
I just don't know what to do with that so I will just laugh.



If I remember right we had a two games in Melburn over Xmas the other year and the boys stayed there.
We also had a midweek game in Wellington and then flew to Milburn instead of returning to Newy

Theres two examples that blow your theory out of the water. Both funded by Tinks.

great week that

blackjack with half the team and poker with josh mitchell.

[GazFish35]

Sydney have spent decent coin improving facilities they train in at mac uni.
They were using marquee and shipping containers.

Love it how one bloke argues his point with loose assumptions and baseless facts but argues against others doing the same.

[The Dunster]

Love it how one bloke argues his point with loose assumptions and baseless facts but argues against others doing the same.

It's called religion.

[plague]

great week that

blackjack with half the team and poker with josh mitchell.

This has been the only post in the whole argument with any facts and evidence in it.

The rest of y'all are just yelling.

[De-Champ]

So now your telling me spending on hotel rooms is spending on facilities.
I just don't know what to do with that so I will just laugh.



If I remember right we had a two games in Melburn over Xmas the other year and the boys stayed there.
We also had a midweek game in Wellington and then flew to Milburn instead of returning to Newy

Theres two examples that blow your theory out of the water. Both funded by Tinks.

yes maybe so, I was not aware of that, so you win on that point. However other clubs do seem to have a cast of thousands compared to the jets.

[sammydog]

So now your telling me spending on hotel rooms is spending on facilities.
I just don't know what to do with that so I will just laugh.



If I remember right we had a two games in Melburn over Xmas the other year and the boys stayed there.
We also had a midweek game in Wellington and then flew to Milburn instead of returning to Newy

Theres two examples that blow your theory out of the water. Both funded by Tinks.

Forget facilities, are we spending similar to other clubs on support and backroom staff. If we are not sufficiently resourced there compared to other clubs we will not be giving the players the dedicated support they need to do their best no matter how much we pump into the salary cap and marquees.

Spending isn't isolated to the playing roster. You need to spend to support the players, this is what we don't do and is probably a factor in why we have so many injuries all the time.

This is where we do need money and I believe we haven't been spending it. The Jets under tinker have been largely under resourced in terms of backroom support staff.

[redwah]

Sydney have spent decent coin improving facilities they train in at mac uni.
They were using marquee and shipping containers.

Love it how one bloke argues his point with loose assumptions and baseless facts but argues against others doing the same.

But the member knows all and sees all so any assumption about his assumptions is purely speculation. Oh and he doesn't assume anything, he mearly changes his point of view when someone else's assumption seems more plausible than his own....I can only assume.

[furns]

Forget facilities, are we spending similar to other clubs on support and backroom staff. If we are not sufficiently resourced there compared to other clubs we will not be giving the players the dedicated support they need to do their best no matter how much we pump into the salary cap and marquees.

Spending isn't isolated to the playing roster. You need to spend to support the players, this is what we don't do and is probably a factor in why we have so many injuries all the time.

This is where we do need money and I believe we haven't been spending it. The Jets under tinker have been largely under resourced in terms of backroom support staff.

Absolutely correct. Just in terms of front office staff, with Robbie and Gerard leaving we are almost at single digits.
Gypos have nearly double that, WSW and Roar have nearly four times the number of staff we have.
I would surmise that ancillary coaching staff (physios, masseuses, nutrionists/dieticians, strength & conditioning, etc) would be another area where we are hugely under-resourced. And would go a long way to explaining why we are in our current table position.

[plague]

I'm shocked no one has brought up a recent example of a team like Man U who have possibly the best resources and highest paid team out there yet seemingly with the change of 1 key person went from top to mid table and (arguably) haven't recovered.

You could argue that Man U would have kept going backwards regardless of how much more was spent on players/facilities as long as Moyes was there.

[furns]

I'm shocked no one has brought up a recent example of a team like Man U who have possibly the best resources and highest paid team out there yet seemingly with the change of 1 key person went from top to mid table and (arguably) haven't recovered.

You could argue that Man U would have kept going backwards regardless of how much more was spent on players/facilities as long as Moyes was there.

Err incorrect. ManU also lost their chief executive when fergie left, and when they hired Moyes he replaced most of the coaching staff with his own boys who had the same experience he had at a top 4 club ie zero. It was an entirely new coaching team and a new chief exec who couldn't sign the players they needed, hence why it all went pear shaped.

[plague]

Err incorrect. ManU also lost their chief executive when fergie left, and when they hired Moyes he replaced most of the coaching staff with his own boys who had the same experience he had at a top 4 club ie zero. It was an entirely new coaching team and a new chief exec who couldn't sign the players they needed, hence why it all went pear shaped.

So what you're saying is that it isn't just the amount of money, but how it's spent.
Cool, that's what I've been saying all along.

[redwah]

I'm shocked no one has brought up a recent example of a team like Man U who have possibly the best resources and highest paid team out there yet seemingly with the change of 1 key person went from top to mid table and (arguably) haven't recovered.

You could argue that Man U would have kept going backwards regardless of how much more was spent on players/facilities as long as Moyes was there.

It's just a shame that they didn't keep Moyes on for the length of his contract...football genius.

[sammydog]

So what you're saying is that it isn't just the amount of money, but how it's spent.
Cool, that's what I've been saying all along.

If you are spending the same as other clubs, yes how you spend it is a consideration.

We though, are not spending money on backroom and support staff. If your not spending it, how you spend it becomes a bit irrelevant.

[plague]

If you are spending the same as other clubs, yes how you spend it is a consideration.

We though, are not spending money on backroom and support staff. If your not spending it, how you spend it becomes a bit irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant?
Moyes spent the most money United had ever spent (until LVG turned up) and turned them to tripe.

I'll say it again.
More money would obviously be great, I don't know anyone disputing this (ok maybe Member but legit, that bloke is bonkers).
Giving people who make bad decisions with money more money doesn't make them make better decisions.

[GazFish35]

Absolutely correct. Just in terms of front office staff, with Robbie and Gerard leaving we are almost at single digits.
Gypos have nearly double that, WSW and Roar have nearly four times the number of staff we have.
I would surmise that ancillary coaching staff (physios, masseuses, nutrionists/dieticians, strength & conditioning, etc) would be another area where we are hugely under-resourced. And would go a long way to explaining why we are in our current table position.

WSW is not that big.
Still twice us, but not four times.

[MFKS]

How is it irrelevant?
Moyes spent the most money United had ever spent (until LVG turned up) and turned them to tripe.

I'll say it again.
More money would obviously be great, I don't know anyone disputing this (ok maybe Member but legit, that bloke is bonkers).
Giving people who make bad decisions with money more money doesn't make them make better decisions.

Gee whiz Plague you put it so well. You are actually seeing shit through my eyes but are able to say it so much better than I can ever do.

Well done

[sammydog]

How is it irrelevant?
Moyes spent the most money United had ever spent (until LVG turned up) and turned them to tripe.

I'll say it again.
More money would obviously be great, I don't know anyone disputing this (ok maybe Member but legit, that bloke is bonkers).
Giving people who make bad decisions with money more money doesn't make them make better decisions.

Its irrelevant to our argument as we aren't spending any money. You can't argue we need to spend it better when you don't spend it to start with.

I couldn't give a flying **** what Man U are spending. Thats comparing apples to oranges.

Fact is, we need to spend more than we are on support staff. Continue on as we are with skeleton staff in the back room and support and we will always struggle on the pitch.

[plague]

Its irrelevant to our argument as we aren't spending any money. You can't argue we need to spend it better when you don't spend it to start with.

I couldn't give a flying **** what Man U are spending. Thats comparing apples to oranges.

Fact is, we need to spend more than we are on support staff. Continue on as we are with skeleton staff in the back room and support and we will always struggle on the pitch.

You're right.
More money = more Bridges comebacks, more Galloway and more Dineaway visits.

Good for the game IMO.

Pony up Tinks.
Salvation is at hand.

[plague]

Gee whiz Plague you put it so well. You are actually seeing shit through my eyes but are able to say it so much better than I can ever do.

Well done

Yeah **** that I'm out, I don't want to live in this world.
Back to the Politics thread for me.

Peace.

[sammydog]

You're right.
More money = more Bridges comebacks, more Galloway and more Dineaway visits.

Good for the game IMO.

Pony up Tinks.
Salvation is at hand.

See, you are still seeing spending money as equating to spending it on the playing roster. Thats not at all what I am saying.

[plague]

See, you are still seeing spending money as equating to spending it on the playing roster. Thats not at all what I am saying.

Nah, I know what your point is and for the most part I agree.
(I've been saying it all through this thread).
I am just waiting for people to explain what we need to spend the extra cash on Tis all.

I want facts i.e. "MV have (x) physios but we only have (y) so that's where we are behind" etc etc etc.

Everyone's just saying "more". I'm asking for a little detail.
Didn't think that's too much to ask.

But then Member paid me a compliment and my head exploded so I can't be here anymore

[GazFish35]

I had a quick look at the "team" page on a few club websites, as they sometimes list the coaching/football staff too.

Us: Phil and 3 others -all ex players listed as coaches
Victree: Muscat, and about 10 others.... Physio's , high performance managers etc, DOF's
radelaide: josep, and about 10 others..... See above
Perf: Kenny and 5 others.
Fc: Arnold and 7 more
CCM: moss and 5
WSW: popovic plus 3
City: jvs plus 2
Nux: Merrick plus 2 (but only one team)
Roar: no-one, not even a head coach.


Hardly scientific I know, but points to a smaller investment than others.




I'd like to see a football staff consist of a head coach, two assistants (complimenting the HC's weaknesses, a GK coach, a strength and conditioning expert (not an ex player with no experience) physio, masseuse, high performance manager and a DOF.

[plague]

I had a quick look at the "team" page on a few club websites, as they sometimes list the coaching/football staff too.

Us: Phil and 3 others -all ex players listed as coaches
Victree: Muscat, and about 10 others.... Physio's , high performance managers etc, DOF's
radelaide: josep, and about 10 others..... See above
Perf: Kenny and 5 others.
Fc: Arnold and 7 more
CCM: moss and 5
WSW: popovic plus 3
City: jvs plus 2
Nux: Merrick plus 2 (but only one team)
Roar: no-one, not even a head coach.


Hardly scientific I know, but points to a smaller investment than others.




I'd like to see a football staff consist of a head coach, two assistants (complimenting the HC's weaknesses, a GK coach, a strength and conditioning expert (not an ex player with no experience) physio, masseuse, high performance manager and a DOF.

See, this is the kind of stuff that's helpful.
Although as you said some of the teams numbers seem a little odd (I think we all know that City has more than 2 staff) cheers for posting.

I know that when Tinks first took over he was using the same physio company that the Knights used so effectively we had (from memory) 4 or 5 'physios' but they were by no means full time with our team.
I'm pretty sure they use different people now so no idea how many they have access to.
No doubt it's way less though.

[redwah]

You're right.
More money = more Bridges comebacks, more Galloway and more Dineaway visits.

Good for the game IMO.

Pony up Tinks.
Salvation is at hand.

Honestly can anyone say that if we had more money to spend those doing the spending would make the same choices.....it looks like with decisions like the GVE reappointment and extension but we're those decisions made with financial constraints in place or were they made freely?

If the decisions you mention and things like GVE's second coming were freely made then yeah those making those choices and spending the money should be replaced.

In my opinion more money allows for better quality people In All positions, be that decision makers, technical or playing staff. The buck stops with the man with the money who appoints those people that make the decisions all along. My argument has always been that if the club had more money the people making the decisions wouldn't be those that have been, thus hopefully getting better decision making and better spending along the way. All this would, as im sure many would like, see some form of cultural shift. Alas whilst tinkler is the money man none of this will happen.

[Jeterpool]

I agree with you Redwah.

I think one example is the replacement of the coach this year. I think if we had the money we'd have gone with Arnold instead of Stubbins.

We'd have purchased a Marquee because Arnold wanted that as a part of the deal to come here.

Did we replace Karl Dodd? I know we were looking were looking at Andrew Packer.

And I think we'd have signed Erik Paartalu.

And finally, the membership cards would have been thicker.

[pv4]

Did we replace Karl Dodd? I know we were looking were looking at Andrew Packer.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2353867/new-jets-strength-coach-andrew-packer-brings-military-discipline/

[plague]

Honestly can anyone say that if we had more money to spend those doing the spending would make the same choices.....it looks like with decisions like the GVE reappointment and extension but we're those decisions made with financial constraints in place or were they made freely?

If the decisions you mention and things like GVE's second coming were freely made then yeah those making those choices and spending the money should be replaced.

In my opinion more money allows for better quality people In All positions, be that decision makers, technical or playing staff. The buck stops with the man with the money who appoints those people that make the decisions all along. My argument has always been that if the club had more money the people making the decisions wouldn't be those that have been, thus hopefully getting better decision making and better spending along the way. All this would, as im sure many would like, see some form of cultural shift. Alas whilst tinkler is the money man none of this will happen.

Chalk up another person who disagrees with me by agreeing with me.

Well said.

[Tommyjet]

If tinks is serious about keeping the licence and keep the attendances at a decent level he needs some serious show of intent.

A positive CEO appointment and a couple of decent players signings.

Anyone catch sst last night? They said last nights show was focused on a-league transfers. Doubt we would of featured much

[GazFish35]

See, this is the kind of stuff that's helpful.
Although as you said some of the teams numbers seem a little odd (I think we all know that City has more than 2 staff) cheers for posting.

I know that when Tinks first took over he was using the same physio company that the Knights used so effectively we had (from memory) 4 or 5 'physios' but they were by no means full time with our team.
I'm pretty sure they use different people now so no idea how many they have access to.
No doubt it's way less though.

Yeah, it's by no means a perfect research method, some have their kit man on the page, we don't, and I know we have one.
KUTGW ANDO!

[plague]

A positive CEO appointment and a couple of decent players signings.


So Palmer and Mullen not enough?
https://38.media.tumblr.com/0ae2819b71ae8689bee223c718e624a4/tumblr_mmby56hjEl1sp9fcho1_500.gif

[Tommyjet]

So Palmer and Mullen not enough?
https://38.media.tumblr.com/0ae2819b71ae8689bee223c718e624a4/tumblr_mmby56hjEl1sp9fcho1_500.gif
No

[MFKS]

Honestly can anyone say that if we had more money to spend those doing the spending would make the same choices.....it looks like with decisions like the GVE reappointment and extension but we're those decisions made with financial constraints in place or were they made freely?

If the decisions you mention and things like GVE's second coming were freely made then yeah those making those choices and spending the money should be replaced.

In my opinion more money allows for better quality people In All positions, be that decision makers, technical or playing staff. The buck stops with the man with the money who appoints those people that make the decisions all along. My argument has always been that if the club had more money the people making the decisions wouldn't be those that have been, thus hopefully getting better decision making and better spending along the way. All this would, as im sure many would like, see some form of cultural shift. Alas whilst tinkler is the money man none of this will happen.

So you finally agree with us on the fact the decision makers need to be making the right ones and this is more imperative than anything??


Sure I will agree with you now that more money to our off field support staff would not be a bad thing then on the proviso it was well invested and in the right areas with personnel that could make a difference.

Problem still is we need to get the right person in to make these choices other wise we will just fritter money away AGAIN

No point really having 8 coaches on the bench alongside the Manager if the grand output from them in improving our playing group is exactly the same than what we are getting from our current under resourced department of Stubbins Zane Bridges and co


Though I do disagree with your point that more money allows better quality people in all positions. I will though agree more money allows the opportunity to be employing higher paid and higher credentialed staff on paper. Just because that is on paper does not mean that it will actually work in the real world.

On Paper we have a side that could be in the Top 4 - Reality is it is only the bizarre situation at WSW that is seeing us not occupying last

On paper the Knights under Tinkler had one of the best coaches who ever coached Rubgy League - Reality they never looked like winning a title under Bennett despite him turning every other club he has been to into title chances.

On paper and reality are two different things

[hawk]

you're caring more than what the club does. big mistake

[Tommyjet]

Remo nogarotto thinks it should be george liolio as CEO

[redwah]

So you finally agree with us on the fact the decision makers need to be making the right ones and this is more imperative than anything??


Sure I will agree with you now that more money to our off field support staff would not be a bad thing then on the proviso it was well invested and in the right areas with personnel that could make a difference.

Problem still is we need to get the right person in to make these choices other wise we will just fritter money away AGAIN

No point really having 8 coaches on the bench alongside the Manager if the grand output from them in improving our playing group is exactly the same than what we are getting from our current under resourced department of Stubbins Zane Bridges and co


Though I do disagree with your point that more money allows better quality people in all positions. I will though agree more money allows the opportunity to be employing higher paid and higher credentialed staff on paper. Just because that is on paper does not mean that it will actually work in the real world.

On Paper we have a side that could be in the Top 4 - Reality is it is only the bizarre situation at WSW that is seeing us not occupying last

On paper the Knights under Tinkler had one of the best coaches who ever coached Rubgy League - Reality they never looked like winning a title under Bennett despite him turning every other club he has been to into title chances.

On paper and reality are two different things

I wouldn't say finally agree....more so clarifying my own point....in professional sport, as in most things, you get what you pay for and in the case of the jets we seem to pay for **** all.

I'm sure that RM, as with gidley at the Knights, was a extremely cheap option that tinkler thought would serve as a token figurehead because of his connection to the town. If he, or any other owner for that matter, would have invested more money, remembering that the a league is still in its infancy and competes with 3 other football codes and cricket for the bulk of capable athletes in this country, then a better credentialed, more savvy CEO could/would have been employed. This would then flow to other administration staff, coaching and support staff and playing staff. This would also flow to better facilities across the board.
I'm certain, as I'm sure many are, that if and when our ownership is sorted that some of the decisions in the past will not be repeated (God I hope so anyway...GVE i'm looking at you).

As many people say this area is a nursery for football full of history and potential, my only hope is that whoever takes over sees that potential, nurtures it but doesn't forget the present because God knows we need something to cheer now...

So my point all along has been that with more money better things SHOULD happen, they don't always as you have pointed out, but should.

[plague]

Interesting to see the improvement in the national team at the moment.
Any lessons for the Jets?

[matty]

http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/30903426

Bbc reporting the sale is still getting negotiated.....interesting times

[Tommyjet]

The dundee united forums are a decent read when articles pop up. Half seem to think their owner will buy the jets and then sell dundee and emigrate, the other half seem to believe its a good thing and will help them become a stronger club.

[Grimario]

So, the bit of read there is that they all think he will buy?

[Menzieshill_Arab]

The latest rumours here in Dundee, are that It will be Stephen Thompson who is interested in buying the Jets, and not Dundee United Football Club.

Sounds like our chairman is on the verge of emigrating down under, and possibly selling United..

Mr. Thompson has family in Oz, and with Scottish Football like a Circus just now, thanks to the Glasgow club formely known as Rangers, Thompson might just want to find pastures new !

[Tommyjet]

Anyone else thinking tinks may just sell off part of the jets to this Thomson fella and let him run the joint?

[MFKS]

Anyone else thinking tinks may just sell off part of the jets to this Thomson fella and let him run the joint?

No

Tinks is doing a Clive Palmer in my opinion and is squeezing the FFA for his pay out.

He wants out and selling part is of little use to him

[Blackmac79]

The latest rumours here in Dundee, are that It will be Stephen Thompson who is interested in buying the Jets, and not Dundee United Football Club.

Sounds like our chairman is on the verge of emigrating down under, and possibly selling United..

Mr. Thompson has family in Oz, and with Scottish Football like a Circus just now, thanks to the Glasgow club formely known as Rangers, Thompson might just want to find pastures new !


Was never known as Rangers, only as the Huns

[BodyNovo]

No

Tinks is doing a Clive Palmer in my opinion and is squeezing the FFA for his pay out.

He wants out and selling part is of little use to him

only thing is clive palmer ****ed up; with his freedom of speech shit

FFA might be playing the same game, both trying to wait each other out.

[Pico]

Anyone else thinking tinks may just sell off part of the jets to this Thomson fella and let him run the joint?

With Tinklers history with business partners I'd say no. I doubt Thompson would be that stupid anyway even if Tinks offered. The interesting thing is the claimed continued talks in london, whilst tinks has made every possible noise that he's not selling, me thinks these on going negotiations are with FFA reps not tinks, lining up their ducks for post Asian Cup moves to transition the licence con style.

[Tommyjet]

Yes tinks forces FFA to pay him a fee and then they have Thompson lined up to step straight in.

[MFKS]

Yes tinks forces FFA to pay him a fee and then they have Thompson lined up to step straight in.

My way of seeing it.

Tinks most likely feels he will get a better fee from FFA than he will from Dundee Utd so instead of selling direct to Dundee Utd sell to the reluctant buyer FFA who will have to pay more due to their obligations to Foxtel and the game in general

[Jeterpool]

With Tinklers history with business partners I'd say no. I doubt Thompson would be that stupid anyway even if Tinks offered. The interesting thing is the claimed continued talks in london, whilst tinks has made every possible noise that he's not selling, me thinks these on going negotiations are with FFA reps not tinks, lining up their ducks for post Asian Cup moves to transition the licence con style.

This makes sense, Pico.

Certainly nothing is going to happen while the Asian Cup is on. Tinkler is just big-noting through the local media in the interim.

My only concern is the damage he is doing behind the scenes in the interim.

[MFKS]

only thing is clive palmer ****ed up; with his freedom of speech shit

FFA might be playing the same game, both trying to wait each other out.

I don't think Palmer ****ed up even with the Freedom of Speech shit.

Palmer was quite prepared to cut and run from the HAL. He just wanted the FFA to act so he couldn't get sued. He was just doing everything in his power to incite the FFA to act without breaching his licence and facing the possibility of a legal pay out costing him more in the grand scheme of things

Bloke played the game well from his end and most of it was just posturing bull shit

[Pico]

No

Tinks is doing a Clive Palmer in my opinion and is squeezing the FFA for his pay out.

He wants out and selling part is of little use to him

Remind me again when was the last time FFA paid an owner for a failing club licence, it won't happen. It's been reported in the past that the licence agreements are so far in favour of the FFA that quite a few clubs operating in the HAL are technically in breach of their licence, here (http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/freedom-of-speech-slogan-ffa-says-gold-coast-united-in-material-breach-of-its-a-league-agreement/story-e6frf4gl-1226281710175?nk=469ea1d580347f8d0cc2680b48190d46) they list just a few, none that we would appear to have breached, curiously the term engaging the football community has been dragged out recently by the FFA spokespeople, it does demonstrate the varied level detail of the club participation agreement that govern the clubs.

[Pico]

This makes sense, Pico.

Certainly nothing is going to happen while the Asian Cup is on. Tinkler is just big-noting through the local media in the interim.

My only concern is the damage he is doing behind the scenes in the interim.

I think he'll try and cover all the potential breaches of the club participation agreement so he can hang onto the club in the hope he can somehow sell it. Whilst the FFA will be looking for an material breach of any nature to use to remove it. My moneys on FFA getting out of this with two things, the jets club license and not paying Tinkler a dime.

[R Ramjet]

Does anyone know where Troy Palmer is ? London perhaps ?

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Does anyone know where Troy Palmer is ? London perhaps ?

Plenty of talk about Dundee owners talking to someone from the Jets over there...could be interesting.

[Fairgo]

Plenty of talk about Dundee owners talking to someone from the Jets over there...could be interesting.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30903426

Dundee United owner closer to Newcastle Jets takeover


By Jim Spence
BBC Sport
The sale of Australian club Newcastle Jets to Dundee United owner Stephen Thompson has moved a stage closer.
The Tannadice owner, who was in Australia recently to meet Jets officials, flew to London on Thursday for further talks about the deal.
But, while discussions are at an advanced stage, the move could fall foul of Scottish Football Association rules on dual ownership.
Any such move would require the approval of the SFA's main board.
Thompson would be required to seek approval from the board under the rules governing dual ownership and would need to provide a detailed business plan, along with certain guarantees on issues such as shareholding and fiduciary responsibilities.
In December, the SFA rejected Newcastle United owner Mike Ashley's request to raise his shareholding in Rangers International Football Club to 29.9%.

The club have denied Celtic have made an approach for Stuart Armstrong
The Jets franchise has been for sale for some time, with owner Nathan Tinkler keen to offload the club that finished seventh in the A-League last season.
Jets officials travelled to England more than three months ago to seek out interested parties in the sale of the club.
It led to negotiations with Thompson, who owns just over 51% of the Scottish Premiership club.
Meanwhile, United say Celtic have made no approach for midfielder Stuart Armstrong.
Celtic have signed winger Gary Mackay Steven on a pre-contract agreement, leading to reports they had also made a move for Armstrong.

[furns]

Yet another story coming out while eyes were on socceroos - Palmer gawn apparently
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2835125/palmer-and-jets-part-ways/?src=rss

[Jeterpool]

The list is starting to dwindle. Whose left?

[MFKS]

The list is starting to dwindle. Whose left?

Hopefully Bridges gets the axe soon

[borat]

With Tinklers history with business partners I'd say no. I doubt Thompson would be that stupid anyway even if Tinks offered. The interesting thing is the claimed continued talks in london, whilst tinks has made every possible noise that he's not selling, me thinks these on going negotiations are with FFA reps not tinks, lining up their ducks for post Asian Cup moves to transition the licence con style.

Thats an interesting theory. Makes sense on a number of levels. This would explain Tinkler's sudden interest in running the club properly if he had wind that FFA were looking at outs. I wonder if the FFA have decided to pay out Tinks for the licence then onsell to Thompson.

[De-Champ]

Thats an interesting theory. Makes sense on a number of levels. This would explain Tinkler's sudden interest in running the club properly if he had wind that FFA were looking at outs. I wonder if the FFA have decided to pay out Tinks for the licence then onsell to Thompson.

Don't be silly. The FFA pay for something...

[Jetmaster]

Would really love some journo to get old Con's thoughts on all this.

[Jeterpool]

Tinkler. Get out of our club

[Jeterpool]

Ok, so I had a thought about the ownership and the representative still negotiating the sale.

Is it possible that we're looking at this the wrong way? Could they be negotiating for the licence, not the Jets? Could that mean that if ownership is removed they could relocate ala WSW? Foxsports only want 10 teams. And at the rate players are looking to leave us and the number of back room staff we have left the FFA and Thompson could think it may be easier and cleaner to just disband the jets and start elsewhere.

Thoughts?

[baldrick]

Ok, so I had a thought about the ownership and the representative still negotiating the sale.

Is it possible that we're looking at this the wrong way? Could they be negotiating for the licence, not the Jets? Could that mean that if ownership is removed they could relocate ala WSW? Foxsports only want 10 teams. And at the rate players are looking to leave us and the number of back room staff we have left the FFA and Thompson could think it may be easier and cleaner to just disband the jets and start elsewhere.

Thoughts?


I gotta be honest, I've been thinking this too.

Though, when Tinks took over I vaguely remember one of the FFA head honchos (can't remember who) saying that the tv deal had mention of there always being a team in Newcastle

[Tommyjet]

I gotta be honest, I've been thinking this too.

Though, when Tinks took over I vaguely remember one of the FFA head honchos (can't remember who) saying that the tv deal had mention of there always being a team in Newcastle

Yeah that de bohun fella assured us they were committed to a team in newcastle. With 10k members under shite ownership they'd be mad to move the licence, even if the memberships are half price.

[Jeterpool]

I gotta be honest, I've been thinking this too.

Though, when Tinks took over I vaguely remember one of the FFA head honchos (can't remember who) saying that the tv deal had mention of there always being a team in Newcastle

Was that the old deal? Hasn't there been a re-negotiation since then? Interesting if so.


Yeah that de bohun fella assured us they were committed to a team in newcastle. With 10k members under shite ownership they'd be mad to move the licence, even if the memberships are half price.

Playing devils advocate, it's easier to say something to the fans to appease them so you only have to deal with an owner and not a disgruntled fan base. You can always go back on your word and claim that the new licence owner wasn't intereseted in newcastle and for the good of the league etc etc

[hausmann]

Ok, so I had a thought about the ownership and the representative still negotiating the sale.

Is it possible that we're looking at this the wrong way? Could they be negotiating for the licence, not the Jets? Could that mean that if ownership is removed they could relocate ala WSW? Foxsports only want 10 teams. And at the rate players are looking to leave us and the number of back room staff we have left the FFA and Thompson could think it may be easier and cleaner to just disband the jets and start elsewhere.

Thoughts?

If they want to kill the entire fan base in this area forever and turn everyone into committed rugby league supporters that would be a good way for them to go.

[Jeterpool]

If they want to kill the entire fan base in this area forever and turn everyone into committed rugby league supporters that would be a good way for them to go.

I don't disagree it kill the entire fan base. They are saying the right things about keeping a team in the region but until things go down we're all just hypothecising I suppose.

I for one won't become a Rugby League fan either.

[Jetmaster]

Jets have proven themselves as the fourth best supported club after the two Sydneys and Victree. It's a settled base with history as GF winners as well.

Why the hell would you try to move elsewhere?

[hawk]

If they want to kill the entire fan base in this area forever and turn everyone into committed rugby league supporters that would be a good way for them to go.

ding ding ding ding someone has finally picked Mr Creosote's grand Plan

[westjet]

Has tinkler paid his debts to NNSW - if not is that grounds to take back the license?

[MFKS]

Time to calm down and have a bit of rational thought about this circus.

I am not seeing this as ending anytime soon.

I don't see us getting this shit sorted anytime soon to our satisfaction.

I don't see this end of the month date as being the end date for the dramas.

I don't see Tinker doing all this just to have the FFA take the licence off him and get nothing

Why??

Because 3 weeks ago he could have got money from Dundee Utd

Taking the furore at what has transpired from your thoughts explain logically why Tinkler would engineer this charade to get nothing when he could have jut taken 1-2million from Dundee Utd and walked away with something??

It just makes no sense at all for Tinkler to put himself in this position most hated man in Newy etc unless he wants to be here as part of his game and this game isn't over yet

[belchardo]

Time to calm down and have a bit of rational thought about this circus.

I am not seeing this as ending anytime soon.

I don't see us getting this shit sorted anytime soon to our satisfaction.

I don't see this end of the month date as being the end date for the dramas.

I don't see Tinker doing all this just to have the FFA take the licence off him and get nothing

Why??

Because 3 weeks ago he could have got money from Dundee Utd

Taking the furore at what has transpired from your thoughts explain logically why Tinkler would engineer this charade to get nothing when he could have jut taken 1-2million from Dundee Utd and walked away with something??

It just makes no sense at all for Tinkler to put himself in this position most hated man in Newy etc unless he wants to be here as part of his game and this game isn't over yet

maybe he's just a vindictive bully who likes to make others suffer. remember he's lost more money than we've ever earned. he can do whatever he wants.

[GazFish35]

Ego. Member, big money men have big ego's

It's the "**** me? I'll **** you too" attitude


This is about payback for Tinkler being charged overs for the license

[Premy]

Time to calm down and have a bit of rational thought about this circus.

I am not seeing this as ending anytime soon.

I don't see us getting this shit sorted anytime soon to our satisfaction.

I don't see this end of the month date as being the end date for the dramas.

I don't see Tinker doing all this just to have the FFA take the licence off him and get nothing

Why??

Because 3 weeks ago he could have got money from Dundee Utd

Taking the furore at what has transpired from your thoughts explain logically why Tinkler would engineer this charade to get nothing when he could have jut taken 1-2million from Dundee Utd and walked away with something??

It just makes no sense at all for Tinkler to put himself in this position most hated man in Newy etc unless he wants to be here as part of his game and this game isn't over yet
Thompson from Dundee didn't offer Tinks a cent, he offered to clear the Clubs debt in order for the Clubs license.

[MFKS]

Thompson from Dundee didn't offer Tinks a cent, he offered to clear the Clubs debt in order for the Clubs license.

So even more reason to extort money from the FFA with a puck off payment??

[hawk]

Thompson from Dundee didn't offer Tinks a cent, he offered to clear the Clubs debt in order for the Clubs license.

i heard 5 mill with no debts. surely they werent offering just pay the debts

[Jeterpool]

i heard 5 mill with no debts. surely they werent offering just pay the debts

Heard that too

[militiamon]

Time to calm down and have a bit of rational thought about this circus.

http://i.imgur.com/wLbmPHb.png http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs7/2906471_o.gif

[Pico]

So even more reason to extort money from the FFA with a puck off payment??

Again when exactly has the FFA ever done that....they have never paid a failing owner for the license, they wait and revoke the license due to license breaches, con, palmer and soon to be Tinkler.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

[Premy]

i heard 5 mill with no debts. surely they werent offering just pay the debts

That is what Tinks wanted, not what Thompson offered.

Hence why Thompson seems to be in negotiations with FFA now and not HSG

[MFKS]

Again when exactly has the FFA ever done that....they have never paid a failing owner for the license, they wait and revoke the license due to license breaches, con, palmer and soon to be Tinkler.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.
So exactly what licence breach has he done.

He has sacked 3 lower level coaches from a side going poorly. No crime

He has Sacked 5 players. If he can argue they have breached contract he has not breached his licence

One bloke had a physical confrontation with another player. That is a sackable offence in my workplace
One bloke had a blow up with Stubbins his immediate boss. That is a potential sackable offence also

Throw in some form of mutiny with the others and he may not have an issue. He reaches an agreement with the players for a pay out if necessary case closed

Don't just assume he is breaching his licence cause he is running the club into the ground. He may well be still meeting his licence conditions to the letter of the law and exploiting loop holes

[snake]

lol, license is well and truly in breach

[The Dunster]

Lifetime bans for Tinkler and Stubbins would be a good way for the FFA to start Thursday morning.

Neither of this pair care about the club, players, or fans.

[Premy]

So exactly what licence breach has he done.

He has sacked 3 lower level coaches from a side going poorly. No crime

He has Sacked 5 players. If he can argue they have breached contract he has not breached his licence

One bloke had a physical confrontation with another player. That is a sackable offence in my workplace
One bloke had a blow up with Stubbins his immediate boss. That is a potential sackable offence also

Throw in some form of mutiny with the others and he may not have an issue. He reaches an agreement with the players for a pay out if necessary case closed

Don't just assume he is breaching his licence cause he is running the club into the ground. He may well be still meeting his licence conditions to the letter of the law and exploiting loop holes
Not paying outstanding debts and player's superannuation by Friday will be a breach of license, big man needs to dig up some cash and quick smart otherwise it's see you later stinkler

[hausmann]

So exactly what licence breach has he done.

He has sacked 3 lower level coaches from a side going poorly. No crime

He has Sacked 5 players. If he can argue they have breached contract he has not breached his licence

One bloke had a physical confrontation with another player. That is a sackable offence in my workplace
One bloke had a blow up with Stubbins his immediate boss. That is a potential sackable offence also

Throw in some form of mutiny with the others and he may not have an issue. He reaches an agreement with the players for a pay out if necessary case closed

Don't just assume he is breaching his licence cause he is running the club into the ground. He may well be still meeting his licence conditions to the letter of the law and exploiting loop holes

They have a contractual obligation to field a competitive team. This isn't an amateur league. It is fully professional with large tv rights. If one team starts losing 10-0 every game because they have filled the roster with youth players the FFA can and will revoke the license for the good of the game, even if the salary cap is met with player payouts. There are probably other clauses about bringing the game into disrepute. It's end game.

[Pico]

Not paying outstanding debts and player's superannuation by Friday will be a breach of license, big man needs to dig up some cash and quick smart otherwise it's see you later stinkler

Unless you've seen the HAL club participation agreement its impossible to say if those are material breaches of the clubs license, judging from past media stories and the very minimal breaches listed by FFA when GCU lost their license the club participation agreement is far reaching and I'd say the super would be a breach, so too the the lack of any CEO / chairman.

I'd imagine the sacking of Carney for alleged disciplinary reasons could be a breach if Carney has any sort of defence.

I'd imagine we could be very close to breaking the min squad size too if any of these alleged signings fail to materialise, but that could be avoided by just promoting youth players to new HAL contracts.

This is all only based on what we know, who knows what else we are yet to hear about.

My point remains the same, FFA will not pay Tinkler for the license, they never have before and I can't see them starting now.

[furns]

In regards to the Dundee situation: Tinkler wanted $5mil
Dundee said they would clear the $1.8mil worth of debt that is on the club but aren't going to pay him anything on top of that.
It's pretty clear now that when Tinks took the club off the market, it was because Dundee began negotiating with the FFA.

Tinks wants to take the FFA to court - in order to sue them basically because of the licence fee fiasco of a few years ago.
And he wants someone else to take the debt so he doesn't have to pay it.
When FFA assume control, watch him counter with an injunction and court case. This won't end in a week people.

This is just my take on it, after reading the myriad of media reports.

[lquiquer]

In regards to the Dundee situation: Tinkler wanted $5mil
Dundee said they would clear the $1.8mil worth of debt that is on the club but aren't going to pay him anything on top of that.
It's pretty clear now that when Tinks took the club off the market, it was because Dundee began negotiating with the FFA.

Tinks wants to take the FFA to court - in order to sue them basically because of the licence fee fiasco of a few years ago.
And he wants someone else to take the debt so he doesn't have to pay it.
When FFA assume control, watch him counter with an injunction and court case. This won't end in a week people.

This is just my take on it, after reading the myriad of media reports.

Tinks tactics I get that.... What I don't get is Stubbins move???.... The guy is shooting himself in the foot.... He has now Zero chance to get another gig in the Aleague...... From the start it was doomed. He was cheap choice to start with, he knew Tinks was not putting any money (no marquees), the guy had a shot at it, obviously did not work.....,if it was me the game after Brisbane I would have resigned..... The guy has no pride, he is a big time fraud......don't get it????

[hawk]

lol, license is well and truly in breach

feet first never good


In regards to the Dundee situation: Tinkler wanted $5mil
Dundee said they would clear the $1.8mil worth of debt that is on the club but aren't going to pay him anything on top of that.
It's pretty clear now that when Tinks took the club off the market, it was because Dundee began negotiating with the FFA.

Tinks wants to take the FFA to court - in order to sue them basically because of the licence fee fiasco of a few years ago.
And he wants someone else to take the debt so he doesn't have to pay it.
When FFA assume control, watch him counter with an injunction and court case. This won't end in a week people.

This is just my take on it, after reading the myriad of media reports.

phew, i thought i might have had to check a few sites. wd.

yeah pretty crap deal then, good now

[MFKS]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2849123/tinkler-wants-5m-for-jets-bail-out/?cs=303

Tinkler now wants 5 million from the FFA

[R Ramjet]

FFA should give it to him to **** him off forever. Then they can sell the licence to Dundee united owner and we can start building our club again. Simple just make it happen Gallop

[MFKS]

FFA should give it to him to **** him off forever. Then they can sell the licence to Dundee united owner and we can start building our club again. Simple just make it happen Gallop

It ain't to leave.

He wants his licence fee money back.

His desire to stick around publicly has not altered

[GazFish35]

The licence fee he agreed to pay?
His fault for not doing his own due diligence.
Jump into bed with lowy and you better not jump in quickly. Old frank is no fool.


It'd be like any of us buying a house without a pest and building report or doing any market research, then paying5milluon for an asbestos riddle shithole in a flood zone with white ant damage only worth 50k.

Tinks is trying to play innocent. And trying to play us all for fools

[boz-monaut]

the double effay hold all the cards, Tinks has no rights to the licence after the deadline and will have it taken off him

in the meantime he's trashing the joint and keeping the useless pricks while Stubbins makes sure his enemies and anyone he perceives as a threat is removed

the whole thing is so disfunctional they should just disband and start a new club - there's absolutely nothing worth retaining from this current set up

[plague]

The licence fee he agreed to pay?
His fault for not doing his own due diligence.
Jump into bed with lowy and you better not jump in quickly. Old frank is no fool.


It'd be like any of us buying a house without a pest and building report or doing any market research, then paying5milluon for an asbestos riddle shithole in a flood zone with white ant damage only worth 50k.

Tinks is trying to play innocent. And trying to play us all for fools

I thought his big bugbear with it was that he claimed he was told by Buckley that 'all the other owners' paid the $5million. If that's the case and he was lied to then he does have a legit gripe.
Prob is though no one believes a thing he says ATM and he brought it all on himself.

[GazFish35]

I thought his big bugbear with it was that he claimed he was told by Buckley that 'all the other owners' paid the $5million. If that's the case and he was lied to then he does have a legit gripe.
Prob is though no one believes a thing he says ATM and he brought it all on himself.

So all he needed to do was call the other owners and ask how much they paid.

Due diligence. FFA didn't do it on him, he didn't do it on them.

One more hopeless analogy, it'd be like trusting a used car salesman on a purchase without getting a mechanic to check out a car before parting with your cash.

Tinks paid overs, no doubt.
Who's fault was that? His and only his.

[MFKS]

So all he needed to do was call the other owners and ask how much they paid.

Due diligence. FFA didn't do it on him, he didn't do it on them.

One more hopeless analogy, it'd be like trusting a used car salesman on a purchase without getting a mechanic to check out a car before parting with your cash.

Tinks paid overs, no doubt.
Who's fault was that? His and only his.

No disputing he should have done better due diligence but that has been a massive area of failing for his regime anyway.

Can you actually explain why the FFA actually charge a licence fee anyway?? It ain't like the running of a club is a money making entity.The FFA are responsible for this cost inflated comp which is bleeding owners.

Why exactly does anyone who is footing the bill year to year expected to pay money(licence fee) for the misfortune of being rorted of cash???

[plague]

So all he needed to do was call the other owners and ask how much they paid.

Due diligence. FFA didn't do it on him, he didn't do it on them.

One more hopeless analogy, it'd be like trusting a used car salesman on a purchase without getting a mechanic to check out a car before parting with your cash.

Tinks paid overs, no doubt.
Who's fault was that? His and only his.

Jeez Louise, just reporting what I'd read.
What is this, "international jump down a blokes throat for bringing up a point" day?

You've all been hacked by the Member. Sort your passwords out lads.

[hawk]

The former billionaire maintains he paid a $5 million fee when he acquired the Jets’ A-League licence and replaced Con Constantine as owner in September 2010.

The Newcastle Herald reported in May 2012 that Tinkler had paid FFA a $3.5 million acquisition fee, not $5 million, when he took the controls from Constantine.

‘‘Is there also a deadline for me getting my $5 million back from the FFA. Is that a deadline too?’’ Tinkler told the World Game.

yep theres a deadline and you get nothing

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[GazFish35]

Can you actually explain why the FFA actually charge a licence fee anyway?? It ain't like the running of a club is a money making entity.The FFA are responsible for this cost inflated comp which is bleeding owners.



To make some money off the owners.
Bit like the way Westfield make their money of their tenants.

The whole thing is about money

[GazFish35]

Jeez Louise, just reporting what I'd read.
What is this, "international jump down a blokes throat for bringing up a point" day?

You've all been hacked by the Member. Sort your passwords out lads.

Ha! You're touchy tonight

[plague]

Ha! You're touchy tonight

Nah, just bored.
We haven't had anyone sacked for hours now.

[Grimario]

Nah, just bored.
We haven't had anyone sacked for hours now.

I keep refreshing in twitter to see what the latest is. Sadly, no new news.

[MFKS]

To make some money off the owners.
Bit like the way Westfield make their money of their tenants.

The whole thing is about money

Ridiculous level of greed then.

Until the competition is profitable then the FFA have no right to demand money from anyone covering the cost of the comp.

They are responsible for agreeing to the absurdly high level of player wages with the PFA that sees so much money wasted that they game can not afford or justify.

[Wilso8948]

Ridiculous level of greed then.

Until the competition is profitable then the FFA have no right to demand money from anyone covering the cost of the comp.

They are responsible for agreeing to the absurdly high level of player wages with the PFA that sees so much money wasted that they game can not afford or justify.

I finally get it.. You're Tinkler!

[hausmann]

Can you actually explain why the FFA actually charge a licence fee anyway??

a. because they needed the money. The FFA were far from flush with cash at the time and they were trying to get money wherever they could.
b. because it is a closed shop and with most privileges there is a price to entry.
c. because some of the clubs are starting to break even and turn a profit. There will be profit to be made for the well run clubs in the future - through general operations, trading players, Asian competition windfalls.

[Jeterpool]

I listened to the two interviews from Zane yesterday as well as Tinkler's interview with Craig Hamilton, and the following are a few of my thoughts from these:

TINKLER - Tinkler said that there's no bigger fan than himself. If he was talking about size, that may be the case, but in terms of support I don't know how he can claim that. He's trying to put himself above all others. He also avoided the question, and an opportunity, to appeal to the fans. He spoke instead about how we should feel and what he's thinking as a fan. There was a lot of business speak but not a lot of substance behind it. What does the new organisation look like to him? What is the culture he is trying to create? What are the goals he's set for the team following this review? He may have won more hearts and minds if he had said we are doing this because we want a culture where admin do xyz, players do xyz. etc. He talked about what is wrong with the club - we know that. we can see it. Tell us what your vision is.

I also notice he seemed to lose his cool a bit when probed or answering some more difficult questions (and the questions weren't hard hitting in my opinion).

ZANE - I thought he was very level and retained a level of integrity. He went into some detail and spoke well about pretty much everyone. he said enough so that you could inference what he didn't want to say. He focused on facts and gave a greater light about the lead up to this. He's clearly on the players side, as we knew, but was still distancing himself from direct involvement in their actions.

Also, Furns well done. I heard a part of your interview and haven't listened to it back - hope I'll have a chance today.

[furns]

Cheers mate

I took the same impressions from the Tinks interviews. Calling himself the biggest fan really rubbed me up the wrong way when he hasn't been sighted at a game since he first took over. Managing one appearance away at Perth instead of fronting up to the home fans you haven't given a shit about until you lost your beloved league team gives you zero credibility.

[Jeterpool]

Cheers mate

I took the same impressions from the Tinks interviews. Calling himself the biggest fan really rubbed me up the wrong way when he hasn't been sighted at a game since he first took over. Managing one appearance away at Perth instead of fronting up to the home fans you haven't given a shit about until you lost your beloved league team gives you zero credibility.

100%

[hausmann]

Couple of questions in my mind:

Will Tinkler back down and pay the debt in order to delay a showdown? Is he the type to give in to a demand, ever? Are the unpaid debts even the trigger now?

What does Frank Lowy think of having the feel good factor of the Asian Cup dampened by this debarcle? He surely wanted to show all the Asian delegates how much we have progressed as a football nation under his tenure. He personally went to meet Tinkler over his handing back of the license. I assume you don't get too many second chances with Frank.

[belchardo]

Couple of questions in my mind:

Will Tinkler back down and pay the debt in order to delay a showdown? Is he the type to give in to a demand, ever? Are the unpaid debts even the trigger now?

What does Frank Lowy think of having the feel good factor of the Asian Cup dampened by this debarcle? He surely wanted to show all the Asian delegates how much we have progressed as a football nation under his tenure. He personally went to meet Tinkler over his handing back of the license. I assume you don't get too many second chances with Frank.

I thought ownership crises that allow a cashed up arab sheikh to sweep in and buy the club were a sign of a progressive football nation!??!?!?

[GazFish35]

I took the same thing form that series of interviews as Jeterpool did.

I think he might be my multi

[Blackmac79]

I almost lost it when listening to Tinkler talk yesterday. No Vision, No plan. He might as well have just said "Those who got sacked disagreed with me, those that agreed stayed", would have been a shorter interview and I wouldn't have wasted my time.

Ps. **** you Tinkler.

[hawk]

Cheers mate

I took the same impressions from the Tinks interviews. Calling himself the biggest fan really rubbed me up the wrong way when he hasn't been sighted at a game since he first took over. Managing one appearance away at Perth instead of fronting up to the home fans you haven't given a shit about until you lost your beloved league team gives you zero credibility.

well said

[Jeterpool]

I took the same thing form that series of interviews as Jeterpool did.

I think he might be my multi

Pfft you wish

[MFKS]

YOU did not need to be Nostradamus to see this coming.

As Football Federation Australia officials prepare for a likely no-holds-barred showdown with Jets owner Nathan Tinkler, Sporting Declaration cannot resist the urge to point out all this could have been avoided.

After FFA chief executive David Gallop declared in November: ‘‘It’s not in our plans to own the Jets or any other A-League team ... we don’t want to own A-League clubs, full-stop,’’ I warned that: ‘‘Every week this saga drags on delays the process of moving forward.’’

My advice at the time was quite straightforward.

The quickest way for the Jets to emulate the Newcastle Knights and re-engage with the community would be ‘‘for FFA to make the struggling tycoon an offer and then on-sell the franchise’’.

‘‘If that means funding the club’s operations on an interim basis, as the NRL is doing with the Knights, so be it,’’ I wrote.

‘‘Eventually, you would assume, such an investment will prove money well spent.’’

The risk of procrastinating, I predicted, would be to incur further damage to the club’s already battered reputation.





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‘‘While this waiting game continues, it is hard to see any winners,’’ I wrote.

‘‘The greatest asset the Jets have is their long-suffering supporters.

‘‘That they still have about 9000 members (10 per cent fewer than last year) is nothing short of remarkable.

‘‘But after every performance ... those fans are entitled to query why they bother. FFA needs to act before the boos [from the Novocastrian faithful] fade into total indifference.’’

Instead, FFA sat back, ignored my crystal ball and prayed that a new owner would emerge and enable Tinkler to sell the franchise.

The end result has been that, not surprisingly, the man they call the ‘‘Boganaire’’ has been unable to strike a deal, prompting him to perform an extraordinary backflip and take the club off the market.

The past week rates as perhaps the most farcical in the proud history of Newcastle football.

At a time when the city should have been overjoyed with the Socceroos’ Asian Cup semi-final triumph at Hunter Stadium, lovers of the round-ball code have found themselves dismayed by Newcastle’s 7-0 hammering in Adelaide and Tinkler’s bizarre decision to sack five senior players and three staff.

Meanwhile, the one-time billionaire insists he is acting in the club’s best interests and is determined to transform the Jets into ‘‘a winning team’’.

Tinkler is either (a) completely delusional or (b) taking the mickey.

If the answer is (a), he must think we all have short memories.

Does he expect us to simply forget the Jets’ four previous campaigns under his ownership, none of which yielded a playoff appearance?

Does he expect us to forget the myriad dramas surrounding unpaid creditors, the constant turnover of players and staff, or his decision to abandon funding for the Emerging Jets program?

Does he think anyone has forgotten that in 2012 he tried to walk away from his A-League licence, just weeks after taking control of the Knights?

Does he think issues such as the ICAC inquiry and his alleged treatment of former Minister for the Hunter Jodi McKay are no big deal?

Whatever gratitude Tinkler deserved for stepping in to replace former owner Con Constantine in October 2011 has long since been overshadowed by disappointment, frustration and despair.

Now we have seen another side of him.

The mirage on which he traded has been exposed for what it is. There is no bottomless pit of cash.

Even if he repays his debts and meets FFA’s deadline, even if he starts signing some quality players, the process of restoring credibility shapes as Mission: Impossible.

To have any hope of breaking even each year, the Jets need corporate support. But after events this season, why would any sponsor want to invest, especially with the Knights sharing the market?

Untenable is a word that springs to mind.

If Tinkler does not realise this, he is kidding only himself.

The other scenario, which I believe is more likely, is that Tinkler is strategically positioning himself to extract the maximum payday from FFA before he departs.

Like a hermit crab, he seems to be retreating deep into his shell, claws out to defend himself.

If the FFA wants him gone, which appears obvious, then it has two alternatives: try to repossess his licence, as it did with Constantine, or make it financially worth Tinkler’s while to walk away.

The first option could result in a protracted, expensive legal dispute, which the FFA would surely prefer to avoid.

It is worth remembering that when the NRL ousted Tinkler last June, it was not just a matter of ordering him to vacate the premises.

After months of negotiations, it lured him out by allowing him to use almost half of the $10.5million bank guarantee to pay some of his liabilities. In other words, he agreed to leave, once the price was right.

Unpalatable as it may seem, a similar approach shapes as FFA’s best bet.

It is time to pay Tinkler his pound of flesh and be rid of him forever.


Dillion at least this time is bang on the money. Even gets away with the arrogant tone of I told you so

[boz-monaut]

I agree with Dillon and MFKS

and now I'm going to sit in my shower weeping for several hours

unclean, unclean, unclean....

[Premy]

Dillion at least this time is bang on the money. Even gets away with the arrogant tone of I told you so

No F'ing way will FFA give him a cent. Dillion is a Dog molester numpty this is nothing like the Knoughts situation. To suggest it is shows how out of touch on the topic he is, Dillion should stick to writing articles about how poor his colleagues can be.

Tinkler is entitled to absolute nothing and that is what Lowy will give him, along with a foot up the arse as he kicks him out the door.

[Pico]

No F'ing way will FFA give him a cent. Dillion is a Dog molester numpty this is nothing like the Knoughts situation. To suggest it is shows how out of touch on the topic he is, Dillion should stick to writing articles about how poor his colleagues can be.

Tinkler is entitled to absolute nothing and that is what Lowy will give him, along with a foot up the arse as he kicks him out the door.

Absolutely, the only reason the NRL was happy to give him his pound of flesh was because it was still
1. Getting the knights club back debt free &
2. Getting an extra 5m to capitalise the new entity

[MFKS]

No F'ing way will FFA give him a cent. Dillion is a Dog molester numpty this is nothing like the Knoughts situation. To suggest it is shows how out of touch on the topic he is, Dillion should stick to writing articles about how poor his colleagues can be.

Tinkler is entitled to absolute nothing and that is what Lowy will give him, along with a foot up the arse as he kicks him out the door.

Whether Lowy wishes to give Tinkler cash is irrelevant. Reality is Tinkler is dragging the club fans HAL and code through the mud. Add in the possibility of a protracted legal battle bringing more blackeyes and not also forgetting what dirty laundry Tinks may have to expose there is a compelling case for the FFA to buy him off **** him off and then stabilise and on sell the club and save any future damage.

It may cost them some money but even if it costs 5 million the potential is there in time to recover that money judging by the sale prices Heart and Wankers have attracted (9 million-10 million etc)

Whether they really wish to do this is another matter but Tinks has lined his ducks up for it and at this stage is still holding a lot of cards. He may not have the winning hand but he has enough to keep him in the pot and one injuction that gets up ****s up anything the FFA may wish to do with seizing the licence

[Couscous]

It's quite possible that, in the history of print journalism, the phrase "I wrote" has never been written so many times in one article.

[hawk]

I remember being livid at the FFA for hanging us out to dry then. whats changed? nothing, except a journo pushing his own importance to a larger audience.

here it is


FOOTBALL Federation Australia chief executive David Gallop has declared it is ‘‘hard to imagine’’ Newcastle not being part of the A-League but warned that FFA had no intention of funding the franchise if embattled owner Nathan Tinkler walked away.

‘‘It’s not in our plans to own the Jets or any other A-League team,’’ Gallop, pictured left, told the Newcastle Herald on Friday.


ok. Gallop just arrives in this game from a**hole land and immediately says ffa wont back the Jets after it has backed most other clubs over the last 10 yrs. c**t he turned out to be

[borat]

I agree with Dillon and MFKS

and now I'm going to sit in my shower weeping for several hours

unclean, unclean, unclean....
I also agree with Dillon and MFKS.

The damage being done to the game would clearly outweigh the costs of paying him out. There is no way the FFA would sit back and let this happen to SFC or MV.

The FFA should never have been arbitrarily charging license fees. They should have had documented processes and set fees or none at all.

Just pay Tinkler back his license fee, leave him with his debts and sell the licence to Dundee. Get it done now and move on.

[Hunter403]

My take on this (& I have had some hints from a well placed source)

Tinkler wants his $5 million. He believes Low screwed him (do unto others....... haha). Apparently Dundee were talking less the half that including paying out debts. Tinkler is the nasty kid who, if he can't have things his way will make sure no one else can have it. He will bring things to the edge of destruction in an effort to force the FFA to cough up the other half. Basically, the FFA pays or he slashes and burns to have the FFA come under pressure from sponsors and TV. Palmer has not gone away, he has just gone underground and is busy. Tinkler will ramp up the pain until the FFA pays. He will drag out court action and prolong the agony until he is paid.

As the paper suggested: give the fat fu#k what he wants and get him out of our team

[plague]

It's quite possible that, in the history of print journalism, the phrase "I wrote" has never been written so many times in one article.

I just hope he didn't hurt his shoulder too much patting himself on the back.

[Pico]

If Tinks can't come up with a measly 140k to pay NNSW or even the 30k for ray watt, what chance does he have of hiring a legal team to work for him in this prolonged legal battle. It wasn't that long ago that his legal representatives actually joined the list of creditors and refused to do any further work for the bloke.

[hawk]

No F'ing way will FFA give him a cent. Dillion is a Dog molester numpty this is nothing like the Knoughts situation. To suggest it is shows how out of touch on the topic he is, Dillion should stick to writing articles about how poor his colleagues can be.

Tinkler is entitled to absolute nothing and that is what Lowy will give him, along with a foot up the arse as he kicks him out the door.

glorious post. better than afc cup

[Jeterpool]

If Tinks can't come up with a measly 140k to pay NNSW or even the 30k for ray watt, what chance does he have of hiring a legal team to work for him in this prolonged legal battle. It wasn't that long ago that his legal representatives actually joined the list of creditors and refused to do any further work for the bloke.

True but reckon there's not being able to pay and simply not wanting to

[hawk]

My take on this (& I have had some hints from a well placed source)

Tinkler wants his $5 million. He believes Low screwed him (do unto others....... haha). Apparently Dundee were talking less the half that including paying out debts. Tinkler is the nasty kid who, if he can't have things his way will make sure no one else can have it. He will bring things to the edge of destruction in an effort to force the FFA to cough up the other half. Basically, the FFA pays or he slashes and burns to have the FFA come under pressure from sponsors and TV. Palmer has not gone away, he has just gone underground and is busy. Tinkler will ramp up the pain until the FFA pays. He will drag out court action and prolong the agony until he is paid.

As the paper suggested: give the fat fu#k what he wants and get him out of our team

just take it away from him first then have the court case in the background. I prefer to avoid further crash n burn

[Tommyjet]

just take it away from him first then have the court case in the background. I prefer to avoid further crash n burn

Hopefully that's what we'll hear during this week.

[GazFish35]

Rumours rife at Strathfield station yesterday that Mark Rudan is buying the club, and installing himself as Chaiman and manager.

:lulz:

[borat]

just take it away from him first then have the court case in the background. I prefer to avoid further crash n burn

Tinkler would slap an injunction on any action and would continue to run/own the club pending an outcome of the court case which would stretch on for months.

Palmer tried the same and failed but imo his breaches were by far more clear cut, Freedom of Speech for example.

[plague]

Rumours rife at Strathfield station yesterday that Mark Rudan is buying the club, and installing himself as Chaiman and manager.

:lulz:

Funnily enough I was having dinner the other night with some people who told me about a local footballing 'identity' putting together a deal with the FFA to take over.
I know the people who told me are well connected to the bloke involved so it sounded legit.
He didn't say how far advanced it was.

[hausmann]

Tinkler would slap an injunction on any action and would continue to run/own the club pending an outcome of the court case which would stretch on for months.

Palmer tried the same and failed but imo his breaches were by far more clear cut, Freedom of Speech for example.

I don't know if they are more clear cut. The court respected that FFA has the right to protect the integrity of its own football competition in the case of GCU. I don't see how this situation is any different. How is "Freedom of Speech" any more serious than the circus that is currently going on?

I think in these situations, the participation agreement is stacked in the FFA's favour, precisely because they have tv rights obligations and have an ethical requirement to keep the competition fair and honest. It's in no one's interest for a team to tank like this.

Tinkler is a bully. You don't give in to bullies. If you do, he'll just leverage the power you've given him to extract more pain. Bullies also end up finding out they've got no ground to stand on when they are stood up to.

He can scheme all he wants in the background but it seems when all his scheming is brought before the law he gets smashed.

[stopper2]

Funnily enough I was having dinner the other night with some people who told me about a local footballing 'identity' putting together a deal with the FFA to take over.
I know the people who told me are well connected to the bloke involved so it sounded legit.
He didn't say how far advanced it was.

Wouldn't be Andy Roberts by any chance?
I think the majority of supporters want the whole place cleaned out and start afresh with new management and coaching staff.
We need good football people with smarts and passion like Roberts and David Eland to take up roles in the new era.

[My2BobsWorth]

It's Bridgey stupid.

[militiamon]

I don't know if they are more clear cut. The court respected that FFA has the right to protect the integrity of its own football competition in the case of GCU. I don't see how this situation is any different. How is "Freedom of Speech" any more serious than the circus that is currently going on?

I think in these situations, the participation agreement is stacked in the FFA's favour, precisely because they have tv rights obligations and have an ethical requirement to keep the competition fair and honest. It's in no one's interest for a team to tank like this.

Tinkler is a bully. You don't give in to bullies. If you do, he'll just leverage the power you've given him to extract more pain. Bullies also end up finding out they've got no ground to stand on when they are stood up to.

He can scheme all he wants in the background but it seems when all his scheming is brought before the law he gets smashed.

100% agree haus.

If the FFA take back the licence, there will be no down time. Even if it is challenged by Tinkler, the courts will allow them to run things as the owner of the competition and as well as being the owner of the licence.

[hawk]

Tinkler would slap an injunction on any action and would continue to run/own the club pending an outcome of the court case which would stretch on for months.

Palmer tried the same and failed but imo his breaches were by far more clear cut, Freedom of Speech for example.

FFa have enough ammo now and as suggested by others would have priority.

[plague]

Wouldn't be Andy Roberts by any chance?
I think the majority of supporters want the whole place cleaned out and start afresh with new management and coaching staff.
We need good football people with smarts and passion like Roberts and David Eland to take up roles in the new era.

What makes you say that?

[sammydog]

FFa have enough ammo now and as suggested by others would have priority.

They may have ammo, but if it winds up in the courts they FFA won't take control of the club until the court hands down a favourable finding. Who knows how long that could drag on for.

[Couscous]

@SocStoppageTime: Stealth and #SST will tomorrow reveal which A-League Club is days away from finalising a partnership agreement with a Premier League team

EPL or SPL?

[plague]

EPL or SPL?
Indian.

[MFKS]

EPL or SPL?

Knowing us we will probably signing up with a NPL side in an alliance

[hawk]

They may have ammo, but if it winds up in the courts they FFA won't take control of the club until the court hands down a favourable finding. Who knows how long that could drag on for.

when have they ever dragged out a court case in aleague stopping a team from playing?

[Thomas477]

Knowing us we will probably signing up with a NPL side in an alliance

We haven't already with Magic?

[sammydog]

when have they ever dragged out a court case in aleague stopping a team from playing?

Not saying they will stop us playing, that's not going to happen, but until any case is resolved Tinkler will be in charge.

[MFKS]

Not saying they will stop us playing, that's not going to happen, but until any case is resolved Tinkler will be in charge.

Precisely right.

FFA Strip licence from Tinkler
Tinkler takes out an injunction to stop it happening
Tinkler can then continue his scorched earth policy as he will still be in charge.

Tinkler is free to do this until the court says otherwise or the FFA and him reach an agreement to drop court action.

[Premy]

Precisely right.

FFA Strip licence from Tinkler
Tinkler takes out an injunction to stop it happening
Tinkler can then continue his scorched earth policy as he will still be in charge.

Tinkler is free to do this until the court says otherwise or the FFA and him reach an agreement to drop court action.

Incorrect.
FFA stripped Palmer of the license when he was in breach of the terms.
How do you think Tinkler got the club? That's right FFA stripped Con of the license when he breach his terms.

FFA hold the ascendency here they just have to go through the due process. Weather Tinkler is already in breach of the terms I'm unsure but unpaid super is what got Con, bringing the game into disrepute is what got Palmer arguably they can get Tinks for both of those.

[Couscous]

Tinkler is free to do this until the court says otherwise or the FFA and him reach an agreement to drop court action.

I doubt Tinks has the money to fund frivolous legal applications at present.

[plague]

Tinkler takes out an injunction to stop it happening


You don't just get an injunction because you ask for one.
If FFA has a strong enough case then judge will let decision stand, especially if Tinkler can't didpute facts (unpaid debts, clear breaches etc).
This seems to be the reason why FFA have waited til this point to act.

I'd actually be shocked if the FFA didn't rock straight in whenever they are ready.
As stated above this is the way it went down with Con and Clive.

[sammydog]

Incorrect.
FFA stripped Palmer of the license when he was in breach of the terms.
How do you think Tinkler got the club? That's right FFA stripped Con of the license when he breach his terms.

FFA hold the ascendency here they just have to go through the due process. Weather Tinkler is already in breach of the terms I'm unsure but unpaid super is what got Con, bringing the game into disrepute is what got Palmer arguably they can get Tinks for both of those.

Did either Palmer or Con try and fight it in the courts? I didn't think they did.

This could be the difference. Tinks may well try and take his sinking ship and try it on just to piss people off. How the courts deal with it is anyones guess and depends on the cases put forward, but don't rule out this one getting ugly.

[MFKS]

You don't just get an injunction because you ask for one.
If FFA has a strong enough case then judge will let decision stand, especially if Tinkler can't didpute facts (unpaid debts, clear breaches etc).
This seems to be the reason why FFA have waited til this point to act.

I'd actually be shocked if the FFA didn't rock straight in whenever they are ready.
As stated above this is the way it went down with Con and Clive.
I am aware you don't get one frivolously

I am of the belief still that the game between Tinker V FFA is exactly where Tinker wants it to be.

I do not believe he seriously wishes to run the club in the future
I do not believe though that he has just spent the last week causing carnage for a laugh.

I believe there is some deliberate thought and purpose to his actions.

I don not see the FFA saying your out and him walking away peacefully without some cash or at the minimum a fight

[plague]

I am aware you don't get one frivolously

I am of the belief still that the game between Tinker V FFA is exactly where Tinker wants it to be.

I do not believe he seriously wishes to run the club in the future
I do not believe though that he has just spent the last week causing carnage for a laugh.

I believe there is some deliberate thought and purpose to his actions.

I don not see the FFA saying your out and him walking away peacefully without some cash or at the minimum a fight
I agree there is more to go before its over.
I just believe the FFA will get control of the team the moment it wants it.
After that I expect Tinks to fight back but he won't have the club to use as leverage.
I honestly believe he's entitled to something from the FFA if it can be proven he was duped into paying the $5m.

[Premy]

Did either Palmer or Con try and fight it in the courts? I didn't think they did.

This could be the difference. Tinks may well try and take his sinking ship and try it on just to piss people off. How the courts deal with it is anyones guess and depends on the cases put forward, but don't rule out this one getting ugly.

From memory Palmer was going to and then dropped the case when threatened with with more legal action by FFA, it all comes down to what legal advice he is getting I guess.

IMO if Palmer with all his resources didn't take on FFA then Tinkler will have no chance. Also the license agreement are stacked that far in favor of the FFA, Tinkler won't' have a leg to stand on.

[hausmann]

GOLD Coast United will finish the season under the control of Football Federation Australia after Clive Palmer's application for an injunction against the termination of his A-League licence was dismissed on Friday night.

In a Supreme Court hearing in Brisbane, Justice Jean Dalton ruled against Palmer, who on Wednesday had his licence terminated for material breaches of the A-League club participation agreement.

FFA will now pay Gold Coast players for the remainder of their contracts, with the team to fly to New Zealand on Saturday for Sunday's clash against Wellington Phoenix.

However, coach Mike Mulvey, an employee of Palmer's, will not be with the team after refusing to sign an FFA deal.

Instead, Matildas mentor Tom Sermanni will guide the fortunes of the Gold Coast team for the remainder of the season.

Peter Flanagan, SC, acting on behalf of Gold Coast United, felt the termination of the licence was "a classical case of the punishment not fitting the crime".

"We say the termination is wrong," he said.

But Justice Dalton disagreed, saying comments made by Palmer about FFA and the sport were of a serious nature.

Justice Dalton was also concerned by Palmer's statement in a press release on Thursday, when he said it was his intention for his newly formed organisation Football Australia to take over the running of soccer from FFA.

Mr Flanagan wanted an injunction until next Wednesday, but Justice Dalton rejected the request and had severe doubts that FFA and Palmer could work together for the rest of the season.

She also dismissed Mr Flanagan's argument that breaches of the licence did not mean the club had breached the club participation agreement.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/clive-palmer-loses-bid-for-injunction-against-a-league-licence-termination/story-e6frfg8x-1226287765842

[Jetmaster]

Just hope Uncle Frank pulls out a little bit of loose change from his account and says "here young fellow - now go away".

Tinks big problem with the license is that he never really got involved with the takeover and left it to Edwards, Palmer etc. As someone said before his lack of due diligence is what will cost him.

[belchardo]

cannot see FFA giving tinks a cent he isn't undeniably entitled too. it would be quite a precedent to set.

[hausmann]

The way I see it, the FFA doesn't act unless the case is clear. They are acting.

In both the case of Clive Palmer and Con, once the license was revoked they did kick and scream but it quickly became a sideshow and then nobody paid attention.

[Jeterpool]

cannot see FFA giving tinks a cent he isn't undeniably entitled too. it would be quite a precedent to set.


The way I see it, the FFA doesn't act unless the case is clear. They are acting.

In both the case of Clive Palmer and Con, once the license was revoked they did kick and scream but it quickly became a sideshow and then nobody paid attention.

Both of these. The above statement you quoted, Hausmann, is exactly what I could see happening in regards to the employees. I reckon someone from the FFA has had a word in the ear of people at the club and said "get out before we move". It also begs the question, will Stubbins be offered an FFA contract like Mulvey was? He is, after all, a HSG employee. As reported in the Herald last week Rickie Herbert is reportedly interested in the role - I think the FFA have him waiting in the wings.

This promises to be an interesting week.

[Tommyjet]

This promises to be an interesting week.

Hope so! Hope it doesn't just fizzle out then come what may we are still stuck with the 2 useless muppets

[Jeterpool]

Hope so! Hope it doesn't just fizzle out then come what may we are still stuck with the 2 useless muppets

If it does, I am sure Stubbins will receive a less-than friendly reception form the fans.

[MFKS]

If it does, I am sure Stubbins will receive a less-than friendly reception form the fans.

Besides the reception the FFA will probably have to get rid of him anyway. The players ain't gonna play for him and the fans hate him

[Jeterpool]

Besides the reception the FFA will probably have to get rid of him anyway. The players ain't gonna play for him and the fans hate him

Agree, but I meant if Tinks and Stubborn are still there come Friday.

[hausmann]

The SBS interview bewtween Lucy Zelic and Tinkler raises some interesting points:

- re the sacked players. Tinkler seems confused as to his obligations. He thinks that all he has to do is pay out their contracts. In his mind he has sacked them and states clearly "They have no say in it". This is not fulfilling his obligations. Clayton Zane in another interview said that Tinkler said to him "I'm giving you 4 weeks notice" clearly not understanding that he had a 2 year contract with 12 months to run. I think he lives in a world of sackable employees rather than mutually enforceable contracts.
- In talking about performance he said of the sacked players that they didn't score many goals this year "and there hasn't been a lot in them over their careers". Excuse me? Golden boot Joel Griffiths leading goal scorer in Newcastle history. None of the others are strikers.
- With regards to his leadership, he says that now he can officially be blamed for things now that he is not relying on other people for advice but when Lucy says "what do you know about football?", he fully admits he knows nothing and says "that's the CEO's job". So what changes? He will still be relying on people for advice.
- He hints that Middleby and Baartz resigned because they wanted to get rid of Stubbins and when Tinkler refused they wanted to dissociate themselves from the fallout.
- His response to "why does the public have such a negative perception of you?" He just spouts bullshit about bring a coal barron and climate change, nothing about not paying people any of the other issues that people from the public bring up. As if people in Newcastle, many of whom are employed because of the coal industry, hate him because of climate change.
- Lucy does not even raise the question of his ability to fund the club into the future. Given that the FFA are trying to breach him on his current debts, isn't this an important question?
- Anyone got an idea on why Andrew Hoole is leaving the club? Tinkler says that it was because he could see no future in the club playing with the sacked senior players and that it was a major reason why Tinkler took the actions he did. If that's the case, lets hear from Hooley. Is he leaving because of the players or the coach?

Tinkler talks a very good game. That's probably why he got to be billionaire on paper at one stage.

Based on this interview, it looks like he has changed tact. He realises he going to get nothing for the Jets the way it is run but sees value in it and hints that his plan is to sell it to an EPL club as part of his 5 year plan.

[belchardo]

I think he lives in a world of sackable employees rather than mutually enforceable contracts.

I think he lives in la-la-land.

[Jeterpool]

- re the sacked players. Tinkler seems confused as to his obligations. He thinks that all he has to do is pay out their contracts. In his mind he has sacked them and states clearly "They have no say in it". This is not fulfilling his obligations. Clayton Zane in another interview said that Tinkler said to him "I'm giving you 4 weeks notice" clearly not understanding that he had a 2 year contract with 12 months to run. I think he lives in a world of sackable employees rather than mutually enforceable contracts.

If Tinkler has gone down the performance management track with Zane, Packer and Young then he could theoretically sack them as he has. If their position is REDUNDANT then he could simply give them 4 weeks notice and put them on gardening leave. It all depends on what was contained within the contract they signed.


- In talking about performance he said of the sacked players that they didn't score many goals this year "and there hasn't been a lot in them over their careers". Excuse me? Golden boot Joel Griffiths leading goal scorer in Newcastle history. None of the others are strikers.

That's a really naïve statement. Even Carney, Madaschi have played for Australi, Kew played at a World Cup. Did Celeski play for Australia?


- With regards to his leadership, he says that now he can officially be blamed for things now that he is not relying on other people for advice but when Lucy says "what do you know about football?", he fully admits he knows nothing and says "that's the CEO's job". So what changes? He will still be relying on people for advice.

Tinkler does cop some blame because he has employed them for their opinion and advice. If he is holding them accountable for their performance then he's even more to blame.


- Lucy does not even raise the question of his ability to fund the club into the future. Given that the FFA are trying to breach him on his current debts, isn't this an important question?

Yep. Poor reporting and an opportunity missed. maybe it was "off limits" as part of the agreement for an interview?

[Pico]

The entire interview was as soft as you could go, even the non-soft serve questions that were asked were answered poorly and allowed to slide. The entire SBS acting as Tinklers mouth piece throughout the Asian Cup just stinks of bitterness that SBS wasn’t awarded the broadcast rights, why else would they time every single one of the releases to coincide with sooceroos performances.