17/18 HAL Round 20 | WS Wanderers v Newcastle Jets | Fri 16th Feb 2018 7.50pm

[Jeterpool]

A-League 2017/18 Round 20 Western Sydney Wanderers v Newcastle Jets

FIXTURE FACTS

Overall – 17 matches between the two teams.
Jets Wins - 4, Wanderers Wins - 8, Drawn - 5


In Newcastle – 9 matches.
Jets Wins - 1, Wanderers Wins - 5, Drawn - 3
In Sydney - 8 matches
Jets Wins - 3, Wanderers Wins - 3, Drawn - 2

Average Home A-League Crowd – 13760
Average Away A-League Crowd - 11099

Goals in Fixture
Jets – 19, Wanderers - 25
In Sydney -
Jets – 10, Wanderers - 11

1st Goals in Fixture
Jets – 5, Wanderers - 12

Cards in Fixture
Jets - 36 (34 yellow, 2 red), Wanderers 26 (26 yellow, 0 red)

Recent Form (A-League)
Jets - WWLDW (10 point from last 15)
Wanderers - DLLWW (7 points from last 15)

Leading Scorers
Jets - Andrew Nabbout (8)
Wanderers – Oriol Riera (9)

Last Result -
Newcastle Jets 4 (Koutroumbis 11', Hoffman 60', Kantarovski 68', Ugarkovic 84') - Western Sydney Wanderers 0 at McDonald Jones Stadium, A-League, Round 12, Season 2017/18

Starting line-ups from Last Meeting in Season 2017/18 Round 12

Newcastle JetsWestern Sydney Wanderers
Glen MossVedran Janjetovic
John KoutroumbisBrendan Hamill
Nigel BoogaardJonathan Aspropotamitis
Nikolai Topor-StanleyMichael Thwaite
Ivan VujicaRaul Llorente
Steven UgarkovicKeanu Baccus
Ben KantarovskiRoly Bonevacia
Dimitri PetratosAlvaro Cejudo
Joe ChampnessJumpei Kusukami
Andrew NabboutMark Bridge
Jason HoffmanBrendon Santalab



FIXTURE RECORDS


Biggest Win

Jets 4 (Koutroumbis 11', Hoffman 60', Kantarovski 68', Ugarkovic 84') – Wanderers 0, Round 12, Season 2017/18 at McDonald Jones Stadium, 22/12/2017.

Heaviest Defeat

Jets 0 – Wanderers 3 (Bridge 6’, 33’, Visconte 80’), Round 27, Season 2012/13 at Hunter Stadium, 29/03/2013 & Jets 0 - Wanderers 3 (Corthwaite 40', Sotirio 42', Corthwaite 50'), Round 25, Season 2016/17 at Hunter Stadium, 1/4/2017.

Leading Scorers in fixture –


Jets - Adam Taggart (3)
Wanderers - Mark Bridge (6)



2017/18 SEASON STATISTICS

NumberNameAppearancesStartsSubbed OnSubbed offMinutes PlayedGoalsAssistsYellow CardsRed Cards
1Jack Duncan1010009000000
3Jason Hoffman16142712194120
4Nigel Boogaard18180016201020
5Ben Kantarovski16151413193040
6Steven Ugarkovic19190316961210
7Dimitri Petratos18180416077620
8Ronald Vargas33031970100
9Roy O'Donovan87116367230
10Wayne Brown158767180030
11Patricio Rodriguez53223291100
12Mario Shabow7070900010
13Ivan Vujica18171215150250
15Andrew Nabbout19190616548740
16Nick Cowburn50501040000
17Daniel Georgievski1111048221250
18John Koutroumbis105524632020
19Kosta Petratos4040270000
20Glen Moss99008100000
22Lachlan Jackson72512350000
23Devante Clut5141590000
24Joe Champness1711699963110
27Riley McGree2020541000
32Angus Thurgate3030300000
44Nikolai Topor-Stanley19190017101030



COACHING

Coaches Head to Head – 1 matches
Ernie Merrick - 1 win, Josep Gombau - 0 wins, 0 drawn

Newcastle Jets A-League Coaching Records –

Ernie Merrick - 2 matches (1 win, 1 draw, 0 losses = 0.5% win ratio)
Mark Jones - 3 matches (0 wins, 1 drawn, 2 losses = 0% win ratio)
Scott Miller - 3 matches (0 win, 0 drawn, 3 losses = 0% win ratio)
Phil Stubbins - 3 matches (1 win, 2 drawn, 0 losses = 33% win ratio)
Gary Van Egmond – 4 matches (1 win, 0 drawn and 3 losses = 25% win ratio)
Richard Money - No Matches
Branko Culina - No Matches
Nick Theodorakopoulos - No Matches
Craig Deans - No Matches
Clayton Zane – 2 matches (1 win, 1 drawn, 0 losses = 50% win ratio)

Western Sydney Wanderers Coach Record – Josep Gombau 42% win ratio (3 wins, 0 drawn, 4 losses)



TALKING POINTS:

General

There have been 13 different players score for the Jets this season, equaling the current record.
The Jets have scored in 19 consecutive matches.
It has been 31 away fixtures since the Jets last kept a clean sheet.
Newcastle have conceded 8 second half goals so far this season.
The Jets have scored the first goal in 7 of the last 10 matches.



Key Stats from Previous Round

The Jets' last 7 clean sheets have come at home.
The 37 points achieved this season is the most in a single season for the Jets.



Players

Riley McGree became the 78th player to score for the Jets in the A-League.
Nigel Boogaard, last round, scored the Jets 400th A-League goal.



Western Sydney Wanderers

Western Sydney have score a goal on the cusp of half time in their last 3 home fixtures against the Jets.
The 4-0 loss to the Jets was the first time in 14 matches Vedran Janjetovic was on the losing side of a fixture against Newcastle.

[plague]

Total Gamball to prevail over Merrick hit and hope.

Riera will have his way with Boogaard.

Lustica to control things like the maestro he is.

No Kanta to kick Santalab, trouble.


6-1 loss.

[hawk]

housos where's wally's. fk them. lose

[plague]

Wanderers $2.60 such easy money geez

[plague]

except of course we have a multi riding on a ‘both teams to score’ payout.

Terrible.

[Jetmaster]

FFS Fux....apart from when they talked to Ernie, are we playing at all?

[MFKS]

A competent side going for the top of the table etc like we are should grind out a 1-0 or 2-0 away win tonight and really consolidate our position in 2nd and step on the throat of Heart

Long odds that happening

[belchardo]

wow, that was not offside.

nor was that a penalty.

[evolution]

Off to a great start boys

[MFKS]

No dramas we are down 1-0

Justice really

VAR can **** off though

2 from 2 ****ed calls

[plague]

Clear pen.
Not enough evidence to overturn the offside.

We lucky to be only down one.

Fold the club. We stink.

[belchardo]

Clear pen.
Not enough evidence to overturn the offside.

We lucky to be only down one.

Fold the club. We stink.

linesman didn't make the offside call, VAR did.

[Hunter403]

What a crap pitch. Sub standard

[The Dunster]

Penalty was fair but fmd about Browns yellow card.

[plague]

linesman didn't make the offside call, VAR did.

Yeah sorry I meant not enough evidence to overturn the original decision.

[Jetmaster]

Very obvious ref is taking advice via the earpiece even though he is not supposed to.

[StannyCFCJET]

Ahhhh the Jets of old

[belchardo]

yeah, we aren't playing very well

[The Dunster]

Since when can a linesperson signal offside then wave play on ?

[Couscous]

We've been lucky so many times this season, winning points, even 3 points, despite being the poorer side.

This is not 2007-08 and should never have been compared to it.

[The Dunster]

Get Brown on a plane or at least off the field and we will win this easy

[mic22]

So, 2 yellows to us (wtf) and Thwaite gets away with a smile for a clear yellow card foul on Pato...

[The Dunster]

Refs a joke

[plague]

first touch is horrid, they look slow and uninterested. Petratos looks like hes put on 5kg.

Stupid Middleby letting the boys loose in Newy for a few days. it will get ya everytime.

Middleby OUT

[Hunter403]

When we get in their half they revert to a 5 man backline. Bus has parked

[MFKS]

This high line and not marking anyone shit??

WTF is this shit??

[plague]

Can’t complain about Boogaards defending tonight (yet) but geez what’s he doing up the other end.

[Wilso8948]

Am I the only one who thought the disallowed goal was offside? Offside rule is as clear as day. There's no "close calls" it's black and white. Any part of the body that can score a goal infront of the defence. So Ikonomidis had foot and head in front. Half a yard or twelve metres it's still the same call..

[plague]

Lustica bossing this game though.
Wonder who they’ll pair him with in Russia?

[Wilso8948]

We started coming into it the second half. Look flat after a week off. I've got confidence we will come back into it this half. Wanderers will fade they haven't troubled us much for the past 15 or so

[plague]

Am I the only one who thought the disallowed goal was offside? Offside rule is as clear as day. There's no "close calls" it's black and white. Any part of the body that can score a goal infront of the defence. So Ikonomidis had foot and head in front. Half a yard or twelve metres it's still the same call..

Yeah they pulled out another angle 20mins after that showed he was off.


But I don’t think VAR had that one to look at.

The angle they had didn’t look ‘obvious’ enough to warrant an overrule IMO.

But yeah the decision, in the end, was correct.

[Wilso8948]

Yeah they pulled out another angle 20mins after that showed he was off.


But I don’t think VAR had that one to look at.

The angle they had didn’t look ‘obvious’ enough to warrant an overrule IMO.

But yeah the decision, in the end, was correct.

Looking by the shit quality of that said clip I feel that's the angle the VAR have looked at. Probably explains some of the other shithouse calls they make looking at poor quality video footage. I felt the other angle still showed it just not as well.

[mic22]

We could have scored at least 1... and we're definitely playing better now.

[MFKS]

Yeah they pulled out another angle 20mins after that showed he was off.


But I don’t think VAR had that one to look at.

The angle they had didn’t look ‘obvious’ enough to warrant an overrule IMO.

But yeah the decision, in the end, was correct.

Firstly the Offside goal is bullshit

Even with their replays there no clear and obvious error so they shoul dnt of touchedd the on ground decision

The penalty. Yeah like **** Carrusca didnt dive. Bloke goes down quicker than a hooker from Iso when you flash pineapples at her

[evolution]

Piss off Vedran, O’Donovan has every right to go for that.

[MFKS]

Janjetovic charges an opponent and doesnt even get a yellow

Disgrace

[evolution]

Dimi! :blush:

[mic22]

Dimiiiiiiiiiii wow

[MFKS]

Ead wsw

[The Dunster]

Dimi!!!!!!!!!

[plague]

except of course we have a multi riding on a ‘both teams to score’ payout.

Terrible.

anyway boiz ill be in the cabana lemme know how the game goes.

[MFKS]

So if Thwaite gets a booking for that foul on Roy

How did he not get one for coathangering Pato??

Basic consistency cant even get it in thge same game FFS

[plague]

actually an underrated part of this game has been Boogaard standing over deadballs like hes even a 1% chance hes gonna get to take it.

is giving me a good giggle.

[The Dunster]

Mcgree on . Goodnight Wanderers.

[evolution]

Ah here we go...

[Hunter403]

Absolute travesty. Beyond belief

[mic22]

What. A. Joke.

[Wilso8948]

Yeh **** you wsw dogs

[Hunter403]

Goal of tbe year!!!!!!!!!!!

[evolution]

Holy fcking shit!

[Wilso8948]

Take that ya housos

[The Dunster]

Penalty is a fair call. We'd expect if they did they touched the ball in the box.

[belchardo]

that was orgasmic.

[Wilso8948]

Wanderers are trash. We play football and we win this game.

[mic22]

OOOOOOOO
MMMMMMM
GGGGGG

Nabbouuuuuuuuuuuuuuutttttttttttttt

[plague]

So legit question, does ‘ball to hand’ no longer exist?

[Hunter403]

Penalty is a fair call. We'd expect if they did they touched the ball in the box.

Disagree. If it were the ither way and not given i would say fair enough

[evolution]

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

EDIT: Oh come on that’s no fun

[mic22]

The Hoff!
Suck this wsw

Oh what an absolute joke of a ref!

[Wilso8948]

What the actual ****.. Vedran is a flappy soap hand ****

[The Dunster]

Hoffs cleaned the keeper up lol. If it was Bobo goal would stand and keeper would get a red card

[Retro Jet]

Janjetobitch couldn't catch the clap in a night out in 10 houses of ill repute....

[plague]

Again VAR got it right. As long as you can’t make shoulder to shoulder contact in a challenge anymore.

[Retro Jet]

Bois going for it. Get in there.....

[Retro Jet]

"Destriction Derby"...fkn numpty
It's Demolition Derby. Andy Harper you ain't mate!

[Hunter403]

Roly going for an academy award. Sure he's not Italian?

[The Dunster]

Roy's bitch slapped Bonnevecia

[belchardo]

So legit question, does ‘ball to hand’ no longer exist?

only if your hand is in a 'natural' position. given your hand is always located at the end of your natural arm (unless something really bad has happened), i've never quite understood that concept.

[Wilso8948]

Topor having a shocker

[The Dunster]

NTS has had better games. Not his night.

[Hunter403]

Roy, Pato, McGree still finding touch and fitness. Still think better is to come, particularly when Vargas returns.

[Wilso8948]

Rusty, weird.. probably fair result after the chances their 10 and risdon butchered at the end. If we'd played a more polished game I think we could have won comfortably.

[The Dunster]

Fair result. But shows how far we have come when fans now expect us to win away from home against WSW. If we were afforded the refereeing SFC get each week we would have won this match by two goals.

[mic22]

And they could only score from 2 penalties, none of which would have resulted in a goal otherwise.

[rhysd]

NTS has had better games. Not his night.

If boogard played like that he would be dragged over the coals!

Cracking game in 2nd half

[MFKS]

If boogard played like that he would be dragged over the coals!

Cracking game in 2nd half

Boogaard does usually play like that so that why he gets dragged over the coals.

Was a lot bettter tonight though . Obviously a keen reader of me padting him on the foz

Think Bert needs to work out how best to use Pato.

Bloke is wasted so much out wide and also ****s our defending up as he leaves the LB exposed

Put him at 10 and let him roam free FFS

[Jetmaster]

Ernie says refs are shit....such a ledge!

[380]

Boogaard does usually play like that so that why he gets dragged over the coals.

Was a lot bettter tonight though . Obviously a keen reader of me padting him on the foz

Think Bert needs to work out how best to use Pato.

Bloke is wasted so much out wide and also ****s our defending up as he leaves the LB exposed

Put him at 10 and let him roam free FFS


Dead right re Pato. Bloke was ignored numerous times again tonight when in space particularly early in the second half.

Being an old bloke i enjoy a cuppa whilst watching the game but am more than happy to wait til half time not for Duncan.

[MFKS]

Ernie says refs are shit....such a ledge!

Bert just calling a spade a spade

[parksey]

that second penalty was an absolute disgrace

[plague]

Goal of tbe year!!!!!!!!!!!

If you think for one second that anyone else other than Ninkovic is winning that award then I don’t know what else I can do for you homie.

[StannyCFCJET]

If you think for one second that anyone else other than Ninkovic is winning that award then I don’t know what else I can do for you homie.

**** Ninkovic the defending was non existent. Nabbouts was world class

[Hunter403]

that second penalty was an absolute disgrace

Law 12 states:
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the
ball with the hand or arm.
The following must be considered:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence
• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.)
is an offence
• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) is an offence

From what I saw of TS "handball" last night, both in normal speed and slow motion, based on these rules the ref initially got it right then the VAR and refs review got it wrong.
Distance was SFA with no chance of TS getting his hand out of the way. His hand did not move toward the ball except that it was attached to his arm and body and the entire unit was moving toward the ball in defence.

This is not the first time that Stavre has got it wrong when running the VAR. He needs reeducation or retirement.

[rhysd]

Even in real time, the first goal wanderers scored looked offside and ultimately it was proved to be the case. VAR right to act on that occasion but took way too long to come to that decision. Just show the replay on the big screen at the game with a line to highlight.. crowd is more content.

First penalty, carrusca milked it but it was a penalty.

Dimi cracking goal! Evidence of how many light years we are ahead of last season.

The handball. Shit me. We were on the end of a beneficial call against Adelaide at home to win the game. From what I recall of that game I thought we werr lucky then but it was borderline. That 2nd penalty, never in a million years is that handball as highlighted in post above.

Nabbout. Ripper goal. Absolute class. That'd be a goal of the season contender in any top league in the world. Beautiful team play.

I'm a keeper, and that was a goal! Regardless of whether hoff made contact with the ball or not he had absolutely every right to challenge for that ball. The stronger of the two in the challenge was hoff. Either vedran should have jumped first or punched. (He should have got a yellow earlier for his interaction with O Donovan - found out twice and got the rub of the green twice!) What I don't understand is how VAR can interfere in that goal. The man in the middle had clear sight of what was going on and rightly awarded the goal.

Jets deserved to win that game. Merrick has every reason to feel aggrieved by that atrocious display last night.

[plague]

**** Ninkovic the defending was non existent. Nabbouts was world class

oh im not saying Ninkovic was better, im saying that the people voting for the award aint looking anywhere else for submissions.

[baldrick]

Law 12 states:
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the
ball with the hand or arm.
The following must be considered:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence
• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.)
is an offence
• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) is an offence

From what I saw of TS "handball" last night, both in normal speed and slow motion, based on these rules the ref initially got it right then the VAR and refs review got it wrong.
Distance was SFA with no chance of TS getting his hand out of the way. His hand did not move toward the ball except that it was attached to his arm and body and the entire unit was moving toward the ball in defence.

This is not the first time that Stavre has got it wrong when running the VAR. He needs reeducation or retirement.


It pisses me off when the Foxtel commentators bang on about "hand/arm in an unnatural position".

If it's not intentional - it's not handball.

[Jetmaster]

It pisses me off when the Foxtel commentators bang on about "hand/arm in an unnatural position".

If it's not intentional - it's not handball.

So spot on and those numpties need to be told that. Those first two points say no penalty.

As for Hoff, shoulder to shoulder. If it was Riera and Boogs nobody would have said a thing.

Ernie may get fined for being absolutely right.

[MFKS]

It pisses me off when the Foxtel commentators bang on about "hand/arm in an unnatural position".

If it's not intentional - it's not handball.

Since when has your hand been in an unnnatural position when it is attached to the end of your arm anyway??

[halo se7en]

Anyone else notice that the "Match Highlights" video on Foxsports doesn't show either penalty (only the conversions), nor does it show Hoff's goal.

[plague]

oh if you get the chance check out Pato's reaction to Nabbouts goal.
As it his the top corner, he just freezes dead, folds his arms and stares at the net for a second.

funny.

[plague]

Law 12 states:
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the
ball with the hand or arm.
The following must be considered:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence
• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.)
is an offence
• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) is an offence

From what I saw of TS "handball" last night, both in normal speed and slow motion, based on these rules the ref initially got it right then the VAR and refs review got it wrong.
Distance was SFA with no chance of TS getting his hand out of the way. His hand did not move toward the ball except that it was attached to his arm and body and the entire unit was moving toward the ball in defence.

This is not the first time that Stavre has got it wrong when running the VAR. He needs reeducation or retirement.

ok so im gonna blindly believe this is the rule as it is written (ive no reason to believe my man Hunter aint coming correct).


So can anyone point out which part of this rule the VAR applied to the incident with enough confidence that it overturns an 'obvious error'.

because that seems to be the biggest point. this rule, as written, doesnt give VAR any grounds to overturn it.

does it?

[The Dunster]

I think the rule for handball is more about convention than what is actually written. Much like how the rule-book definition of a strike in baseball hasn't been applied in an actual game since the early 1960's.

[MFKS]

oh if you get the chance check out Pato's reaction to Nabbouts goal.
As it his the top corner, he just freezes dead, folds his arms and stares at the net for a second.

funny.
Since when has being blasphemous to Griff been allowed on the foz??

Paying homage to Griff for giving Nabbout the strength to do what he done isnt something to be joked about

Pato should be applauded for his acknowledgement of Griff at this time not be the butt of your jokes

Shame on you Plague

[belchardo]

oh if you get the chance check out Pato's reaction to Nabbouts goal.
As it his the top corner, he just freezes dead, folds his arms and stares at the net for a second.

funny.

i find georgevskis celebration more amusing. if that's what he does when you do something incredible, i wouldn't want to be around if you cock a tap-in up!

[baldrick]

ok so im gonna blindly believe this is the rule as it is written (ive no reason to believe my man Hunter aint coming correct).


So can anyone point out which part of this rule the VAR applied to the incident with enough confidence that it overturns an 'obvious error'.

because that seems to be the biggest point. this rule, as written, doesnt give VAR any grounds to overturn it.

does it?

The part where the decision will benefit a Sydney team..