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boz-monaut
07-01-2019, 08:01 PM
discussion here

plague
08-01-2019, 08:36 PM
24 hours old and no ones asked you if the draw is out yet.
standards have slipped.

WWMTD?
11-01-2019, 12:09 PM
Cooks Hill Friday night A grade team looking for a keeper to come join our ranks, can promise the following:
- craft beers after all games
- KFC after most
- no training requirement
- brand new surface at national park to roll around on!
- good bunch of lads keen to have another competitive but fun season
Shoot a message through on here or call Lee 0412776542.

Keen to hear from anyone else looking for an outfield run aswell.

Alton
11-01-2019, 01:16 PM
Cooks Hill Friday night A grade team looking for a keeper to come join our ranks, can promise the following:
- craft beers after all games
- KFC after most
- no training requirement
- brand new surface at national park to roll around on!
- good bunch of lads keen to have another competitive but fun season
Shoot a message through on here or call Lee 0412776542.

Keen to hear from anyone else looking for an outfield run aswell.

Can't see the surface lasting, too much traffic.

Stopit
15-01-2019, 02:34 PM
Looking at getting a team together. Have the squad, when would be a good time to go to a club to have us? all age that is.

boz-monaut
15-01-2019, 04:08 PM
as someone who runs a club, I'd suggest as early as you possibly can

rawr.
18-01-2019, 05:11 PM
Looking at getting a team together. Have the squad, when would be a good time to go to a club to have us? all age that is.

Clubs need to submit team to assoc by March, so you'd want to be putting out feelers last week.

Hunter403
21-01-2019, 09:29 AM
South Cardiff want teams.

Charman
21-01-2019, 01:17 PM
Just heard my club charging $435 reg for old blokes. Seems high to me for 7 home games. Are other O'35 reg in this range? Not A grade either.

boz-monaut
21-01-2019, 01:49 PM
yep, we're at $440

sammydog
21-01-2019, 01:57 PM
We are at $430 for AA and O35 but $50 is potentially refundable at seasons end.

Once you factor in all the external costs, clubs charging in the $440 range aren't taking a very big cut for themselves.

oneeye
21-01-2019, 06:40 PM
Hey Sammydog

You seem up to date on fees
Is it cheaper for women ? Saw a Club $380 for women and $430 for Men ?


We are at $430 for AA and O35 but $50 is potentially refundable at seasons end.

Once you factor in all the external costs, clubs charging in the $440 range aren't taking a very big cut for themselves.

Goatscheese
21-01-2019, 10:06 PM
Hey Sammydog

You seem up to date on fees
Is it cheaper for women ? Saw a Club $380 for women and $430 for Men ?

Since I am no longer a register I can't check but previously there was no difference on required payments to Newcastle Football, Northern and FFA.

Defs charging their men more. And $430 and $440 is astronomical unless you are getting something more than just rego for it. Other clubs are charging well less.

rawr.
21-01-2019, 10:15 PM
Since I am no longer a register I can't check but previously there was no difference on required payments to Newcastle Football, Northern and FFA.

Defs charging their men more. And $430 and $440 is astronomical unless you are getting something more than just rego for it. Other clubs are charging well less.

No different payment to Association, but club might be giving men more - do they get a polo, customised strip, etc for their $430? is the different mens fee for a ZFL team ie higher ref fees?
Maybe the women are just getting old, recycled 'club strip' on loan, so they're just getting the bare minimum rego payment - or their payment may be subsidised with sponsorship.

Comparing rego prices for Seniors is almost as pointless as comparing Under 6s, what are the clubs giving back to the players, and what are the teams expected to pay on TOP of just the club rego?

plague
21-01-2019, 10:44 PM
i think the main difference in fees may be that some clubs charge less up front but sting you per week for refs (usually about $10 per player per match for avg size squad).
Over the season they prob cost the same all up.

sammydog
21-01-2019, 11:05 PM
Hey Sammydog

You seem up to date on fees
Is it cheaper for women ? Saw a Club $380 for women and $430 for Men ?

That would be up to the individual club, we are big promoters of women’s football, but our fees are the same for men and women.

Goatscheese
22-01-2019, 10:30 PM
No different payment to Association, but club might be giving men more - do they get a polo, customised strip, etc for their $430? is the different mens fee for a ZFL team ie higher ref fees?
Maybe the women are just getting old, recycled 'club strip' on loan, so they're just getting the bare minimum rego payment - or their payment may be subsidised with sponsorship.

Comparing rego prices for Seniors is almost as pointless as comparing Under 6s, what are the clubs giving back to the players, and what are the teams expected to pay on TOP of just the club rego?

Hence why I said the cost is astronomical unless you are getting something for it.

The roosta
23-01-2019, 12:36 PM
At Kurri our all age rego last season was $350 that was ref fees , shorts and socks included.

Charman
23-01-2019, 01:29 PM
At Kurri our all age rego last season was $350 that was ref fees , shorts and socks included.

That's the bomb! Ours does include refs fees only. I guess you need to be cheap with Abermain around the corner being such a desired club to play for! NOT.

Düssőń
10-02-2019, 04:17 PM
Got a team in Friday night D grade and was wondering if anyone was keen for a trial any time soon?

Shots
17-02-2019, 12:21 AM
Hey Man, my team would be keen. We are low grade All Age Saturday.

anfield
19-02-2019, 03:55 PM
Dudley Redhead united Football club zone league 3 are still looking for a few players. We will take individuals or small groups, so if your team is struggling for numbers bring them forward. Send me a msg if interested

boz-monaut
22-02-2019, 10:58 AM
any inner city clubs looking for All Age players at the lower end of the scale?

Lancaster bomber
23-02-2019, 08:06 AM
Any Friday night AA or over 35's teams looking for another player? I can play both in goals and on the field.

Hunter403
24-02-2019, 02:42 PM
Any Friday night AA or over 35's teams looking for another player? I can play both in goals and on the field.

Jaffas have two Friday night over 35 teams. They train next to Lambton Pool on a Tuesday I think

WWMTD?
24-02-2019, 08:23 PM
Any Friday night AA or over 35's teams looking for another player? I can play both in goals and on the field.

Cooks hill AA/A Friday looking for a keeper mate, if you’re interested. Beer and KFC after most games!

boz-monaut
01-03-2019, 10:08 AM
any All Age teams (grades B to J) looking for trial games against any of our 5 teams send me a PM

we can host games before cricket finishes too

Düssőń
02-03-2019, 07:47 AM
I’ve got a Friday night team and an all age b grade team if your keen for 2 games?

anfield
02-03-2019, 02:55 PM
Dudley Redhead United Football club are still chasing 5-6 players for there zone league 3 squad. Good bunch of guys, currently squad looking strong. Any individuals or small groups (possibly all age teams struggling for numbers) msg me or email drufc.interdistrict@gmail.com.au or does anyone know of anyone looking for a game?

LB0709
06-03-2019, 12:38 PM
Any inner city friday night teams looking for players allage or 035's? Played ids , had a year off and just after social game friday nights

inner city meaning around town, not just newcastle city

Hunter403
06-03-2019, 07:59 PM
Try Jaffas. They have 2 o35 Friday night teams

LB0709
07-03-2019, 11:16 AM
Anyone got a Jaffa’s contact?

Alton
07-03-2019, 01:15 PM
Anyone got a Jaffa’s contact?

In the lollie aisle at Woolies

boz-monaut
11-03-2019, 09:20 AM
still on the lookout for All Age trial games - we can host before cricket finishes

send me a PM

rawr.
11-03-2019, 03:12 PM
Friday 12th April - Mayfield Junior
AA Nominated H Grade team
Looking for team to trial
6.45pm @ Stevenson Park

Email mujsfc@hotmail.com

EDIT: Team found :thumbsup:

Ando005
13-03-2019, 07:21 AM
still on the lookout for All Age trial games - we can host before cricket finishes

send me a PM

We are a new AA team out at wallsend and are looking for trial games we would be interested

boz-monaut
13-03-2019, 09:03 AM
what grade Ando?

Ando005
13-03-2019, 10:06 AM
what grade Ando?

We are ungraded mate
What grades do you have
And if you dont mind me asking who is your club

boz-monaut
13-03-2019, 10:22 AM
what grade did you submit for? and we're Cooks Hill - looking for somewhere around L grade for this trial but we have 5 teams from B, D, E, F and L

Ando005
13-03-2019, 11:30 AM
what grade did you submit for? and we're Cooks Hill - looking for somewhere around L grade for this trial but we have 5 teams from B, D, E, F and L

They applied for H we are happy to have a run with your L side to open the legs up

Speedymetric
13-03-2019, 03:16 PM
They applied for H we are happy to have a run with your L side to open the legs up

Experience suggests that alcohol is more effective if you want to "open the legs up" but let's stick to football on the forum anyway hey!

Shots
15-03-2019, 08:15 PM
Hey

We are looking for a trial game for next week. We can host if needed.

LB0709
19-03-2019, 05:54 PM
Looking for trial this weekend 23rd , team pulled out last minute , Olympic 035s we will
Play anyone , 330 kickoff have ground

boz-monaut
19-03-2019, 07:55 PM
what grade?

we may have a team keen at 4:30, out AA Friday A grade (though they would prefer B) - we can host

LB0709
19-03-2019, 07:57 PM
It’s a grade too , 430 at yours might work ?

boz-monaut
19-03-2019, 08:12 PM
pencil it in - I'm just waiting on confirmation from our side

LB0709
19-03-2019, 08:19 PM
Great let me know

rolo
19-03-2019, 08:52 PM
Looking for an all age side to trial this Saturday morning 9.30am at Corroba oval Stockton.
Against our Friday night all age H grade side.
Had a side pull out this evening unfortunately so anyone keen to help out would be awesome!
Shoot me a message that would be appareciated

boz-monaut
19-03-2019, 09:06 PM
LB0709 - yep, we're go on Saturday - Kick off at 4:30

I'll send you a PM but there's not much more to it than that

rolo
19-03-2019, 09:07 PM
Got any more teams keen boz?

boz-monaut
19-03-2019, 09:12 PM
just checking for you Rolo - our E grade may be keen

we're happy to host and have spots available for trials over coming weeks

this seasons grades are All Age Sat - B, C, D, E, J, Friday A, ov35 Friday D and E

boz-monaut
19-03-2019, 09:13 PM
keen on your Sat 9:30 spot i mean

rolo
20-03-2019, 06:42 PM
Any luck boz?

boz-monaut
20-03-2019, 07:14 PM
nup

I'm giving up on trying to help my teams organise trials - gonna try my hand at herding cats instead

Charman
21-03-2019, 01:01 PM
I believe draws are now out. We're in for some travel with Nelson Bay, Lochinvar, Tenambit, Beresfield and Singleton along with local clubs Mayfield, Cooks Hill and Dudley. Why not just chuck Musso in there!

evolution
21-03-2019, 02:10 PM
I believe draws are now out. We're in for some travel with Nelson Bay, Lochinvar, Tenambit, Beresfield and Singleton along with local clubs Mayfield, Cooks Hill and Dudley. Why not just chuck Musso in there!

Very happy with ours, all in pretty close proximity except for Tilligerry and Southern Lakes. Which begs the question... who the f#@k are Southern Lakes?!?

Düssőń
21-03-2019, 05:05 PM
Where can I find the draw?

boz-monaut
21-03-2019, 05:40 PM
you guys mean draw or grading?

PC14
21-03-2019, 06:57 PM
I believe draws are now out. We're in for some travel with Nelson Bay, Lochinvar, Tenambit, Beresfield and Singleton along with local clubs Mayfield, Cooks Hill and Dudley. Why not just chuck Musso in there!

What day/grade is this Charman?

Charman
23-03-2019, 08:12 AM
O35, FRI night E.
Both Boz.

Scourge
26-03-2019, 10:17 AM
Shortland AA4 (think O/P grade) looking for an All Age trial against a Low grade team on the 13/04/2019 (we may be able to host, but could be better if you do).

We'd also be interested potentially in any mid week games between 10th and 26th April as well (preferably Tuesday/Wednesday).

evolution
26-03-2019, 10:55 AM
Shortland AA4 (think O/P grade) looking for an All Age trial against a Low grade team on the 13/04/2019 (we may be able to host, but could be better if you do).

We'd also be interested potentially in any mid week games between 10th and 26th April as well (preferably Tuesday/Wednesday).

Hi mate, my team (Cardiff AA/L) might be interested. Will talk to my team and see if we can get the numbers that day and get back to you.

Any other teams mid to low AA teams looking for a trial between now and the season kick-off send me a PM as well.

Scourge
26-03-2019, 03:35 PM
Sounds good. Keep me posted, I will be out of phone reception come this weekend, but can put you in touch with another couple of the boys if we haven't good it sorted by then.

Düssőń
26-03-2019, 08:42 PM
Friday AA-D looking for a trial game, pm me if interested. Only down fall is we cannot host

riverboy
26-03-2019, 09:54 PM
Friday AA-D looking for a trial game, pm me if interested. Only down fall is we cannot host

You can hire Speers Point at NNSW for around $280

rawr.
27-03-2019, 12:19 PM
you guys mean draw or grading?

Just the gradings are out, not the fixtures.

Kooie
29-03-2019, 12:44 PM
Friday AA-D looking for a trial game, pm me if interested. Only down fall is we cannot host

Hey mate we have an AA-C team looking for a trial. Alot of new players after to test the waters. We can host out at Westlakes

Düssőń
29-03-2019, 02:20 PM
Messaged you

Kooie
29-03-2019, 04:11 PM
AA-C Friday night team out at westlakes looking for a trial on the 12th of April. Send through a message to arrange something. We can host

Wallsendallage
01-04-2019, 03:41 PM
Wallsend All Age saturday E grade looking for a trial this weekend can host either friday night or saturday

Düssőń
01-04-2019, 05:07 PM
Yeah mate let me see how many numbers we can get 1st

Wallsendallage
01-04-2019, 06:25 PM
Yeah mate let me see how many numbers we can get 1st

What grade you guys Dusson what team are you?

Düssőń
01-04-2019, 06:39 PM
I messaged you

Dman91
02-04-2019, 01:51 PM
West Wallsend all age team grade n looking for a trial game this Friday night 5/4/19 looking for similar grade all age or over 35s can host also interested in mid week games cheers!

Düssőń
02-04-2019, 04:48 PM
Messaged you Dman91

Düssőń
03-04-2019, 05:04 PM
Looking for a trial this Friday night or anyone is keen?

LB0709
08-04-2019, 01:03 PM
hey Dusson, o35s , we just had a trial cxl, do you have a ground?

LB0709
08-04-2019, 01:13 PM
We can host , islington oval

Düssőń
08-04-2019, 05:32 PM
Anyone looking for a game this week some time?

yatobs
09-04-2019, 01:34 PM
Any Over 35 players out there still looking for a team??

anfield
10-04-2019, 10:28 PM
Dudley Redhead united Football club still looking for a couple of all age men players contact drufc.interdistrict@gmail.com.au if interested.

boz-monaut
11-04-2019, 10:34 AM
the draw is supposed to be out tomorrow

which is quite good going really

sammydog
11-04-2019, 12:25 PM
the draw is supposed to be out tomorrow

which is quite good going really

Would be nice if it is so we can start organising canteen rosters and the like.

The U8 and U9 mini roos Girls draw has been up for a few weeks, based upon past seasons I wasn't expecting the draw until the 20th.

boz-monaut
11-04-2019, 08:36 PM
the home draw came out a few days ago - you could have started then

sammydog
11-04-2019, 10:50 PM
the home draw came out a few days ago - you could have started then

Ive heard a few Newcastle clubs saying that, nothing passed on in Macquarie and nothing on SportsTG.

rawr.
13-04-2019, 04:18 PM
Ive heard a few Newcastle clubs saying that, nothing passed on in Macquarie and nothing on SportsTG.

SpTG won't go live until all 3 zones are finalised. Newcastle sends out home allocations to confirm timing and fields are correct, or any changes to be made.
Does Macquarie usually do that too?

sammydog
13-04-2019, 08:55 PM
SpTG won't go live until all 3 zones are finalised. Newcastle sends out home allocations to confirm timing and fields are correct, or any changes to be made.
Does Macquarie usually do that too?

No, it appears it doesn't.

We will just do the usual wait till a week out from the start of the comps.

redwah
14-04-2019, 11:17 AM
No, it appears it doesn't.

We will just do the usual wait till a week out from the start of the comps.

Bloody joke to be honest...would be nice to have some idea of how many games I you can get to with work, coaching kids etc. bet if they were wanting cash out of me it would happen quicker.

rawr.
14-04-2019, 05:01 PM
No, it appears it doesn't.

We will just do the usual wait till a week out from the start of the comps.

Released today!

evolution
14-04-2019, 07:12 PM
Of course my round one game is at bloody 4pm, guess I won’t be getting to the Jets game that evening!

All other games at reasonable times so can’t complain apart from that.

Charman
14-04-2019, 09:06 PM
Yeah you can, 7.30 game. Hope you guys don’t play for 3.5hours!

plague
14-04-2019, 09:17 PM
Yeah you can, 7.30 game. Hope you guys don’t play for 3.5hours!

huh?
you need to allow for a post match breakdown over 47 schooners.

no way Evolution has enough time to get to the Jets.

Charman
14-04-2019, 09:26 PM
True. My bad.

Aegon
23-04-2019, 10:42 AM
Season starts this Friday..... get the dencorub ready!!

Aegon
23-04-2019, 10:43 AM
Also, grading seems to have changed since the initial lists sent out? We've had a couple of changes in our grade.

evolution
23-04-2019, 12:12 PM
huh?
you need to allow for a post match breakdown over 47 schooners.

no way Evolution has enough time to get to the Jets.

Exactly! Oh and also the fact the Jets game is the early 5:30pm kickoff :rof:

Negative Police
23-04-2019, 09:03 PM
Exactly! Oh and also the fact the Jets game is the early 5:30pm kickoff :rof:

Get 5-0 nil up by halftime then take off. 5-4 is still 3pts

Charman
12-05-2019, 05:42 PM
Anyone know why a team has had it’s first two results turned from wins to 3-0 losses? Dodgy Regos? And are they removed from the comp. O35 FRI E team.

traffic light
12-05-2019, 06:10 PM
Anyone know why a team has had it’s first two results turned from wins to 3-0 losses? Dodgy Regos? And are they removed from the comp. O35 FRI E team.

Nearly always for ineligible player. Club should stay in comp if it doesnt happen again.

Jardelsimage
12-05-2019, 06:20 PM
Nearly always for ineligible player. Club should stay in comp if it doesnt happen again.

rules state, play ineligible players you are kicked out....no questions, no appeal, nothing

traffic light
12-05-2019, 06:27 PM
rules state, play ineligible players you are kicked out....no questions, no appeal, nothing
I was going on this


Failure to provide satisfactory proof may result in the Competition
Administrator (Disciplinary) disqualifying such Player, the Team being
removed from the Competition and the imposition of such penalties as the
Competition Administrator (Disciplinary) deems fit.
https://macquariefootball.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2018/05/REGULATION-C-2018.pdf

Jardelsimage
12-05-2019, 06:36 PM
I was going on this

they have to say MAY, but trust me, do it and your gone.....

boz-monaut
12-05-2019, 06:40 PM
yep, mistake on the team's part thinking you were eligible if you turned 35 this year, rather than eligible only after you've turned 35

I'd actually advised teams that players had to be 35 on 1 January to be eligible - this was just a case of no one paying attention or checking dates of birth

lessons learned and all that - and at least it wasn't half way through the season

boz-monaut
12-05-2019, 06:44 PM
they have to say MAY, but trust me, do it and your gone.....this is not correct

in this case the punishment is points lost and a fine

traffic light
12-05-2019, 06:47 PM
they have to say MAY, but trust me, do it and your gone.....

Ok. And weve seen quote a few go in recent seasons


yep, mistake on the team's part thinking you were eligible if you turned 35 this year, rather than eligible only after you've turned 35

I'd actually advised teams that players had to be 35 on 1 January to be eligible - this was just a case of no one paying attention or checking dates of birth

lessons learned and all that - and at least it wasn't half way through the season

bummer, fair enough

sammydog
12-05-2019, 07:19 PM
yep, mistake on the team's part thinking you were eligible if you turned 35 this year, rather than eligible only after you've turned 35

I'd actually advised teams that players had to be 35 on 1 January to be eligible - this was just a case of no one paying attention or checking dates of birth

lessons learned and all that - and at least it wasn't half way through the season

No, you just have to be 35 before you step on the pitch,

We had this clarified a few (many) seasons ago and had players sit out the first 4-5 rounds before they were eligible.

boz-monaut
12-05-2019, 07:48 PM
yep, you're able to register while 34, just not able to take the field without losing points, copping fines and generally making yourself and your club coordinator look like idiots

first time this has happened on my watch - I'll be checking from now on

Charman
12-05-2019, 09:38 PM
I intentionally did not the club or team as I know the guy in charge would not allow it. Cookers are well run and this is not what they do.

Aegon
13-05-2019, 07:35 AM
this is not correct

in this case the punishment is points lost and a fine

Very lucky, I know an all age womens team got ejected from their comp last season for fielding an ineligible player in one game.

sammydog
13-05-2019, 08:59 AM
Very lucky, I know an all age womens team got ejected from their comp last season for fielding an ineligible player in one game.

In all the cases I have seen where an underage player has been used in O35's, its been a case of losing all points in the games that player played.

Field an ineligible in player All Age, or unregistered in O35's though the penalty handed down is generally ejection from the comp.

boz-monaut
13-05-2019, 10:20 AM
this us quite a different situation to having a ring in take the field, which is deliberate cheating

this was an incorrect assumption by player and team manager that wasn't picked up by registrar

sammydog
13-05-2019, 10:41 AM
this us quite a different situation to having a ring in take the field, which is deliberate cheating

this was an incorrect assumption by player and team manager that wasn't picked up by registrar

Which is how it has occurred every time I've seen an O35's team caught out with this.

Loss of points in that situation I think is far more reasonable than kicking the team out.

As you said, completely different scenario to making a conscious choice to bring in ring ins. I think the associations have the punishments correct. You are just lucky it happened so early in the season.

Aegon
14-05-2019, 08:39 AM
In all the cases I have seen where an underage player has been used in O35's, its been a case of losing all points in the games that player played.

Field an ineligible in player All Age, or unregistered in O35's though the penalty handed down is generally ejection from the comp.

No argument from me. I think ejection from the comp is overkill. I suppose as long as there is consistency with the application of the punishment there should be no complaints.

Betty and the Jets
14-05-2019, 10:46 AM
Can there be modifications to teams in competitions during season if a particular team is losing/winning by big margins consistently? Just trying to understand how on earth grading is done and if there are attempts to even it out during season?

sammydog
14-05-2019, 11:08 AM
Can there be modifications to teams in competitions during season if a particular team is losing/winning by big margins consistently? Just trying to understand how on earth grading is done and if there are attempts to even it out during season?

Nope, once you are in a grade, that's where you stay for the season.

My gripe with gradings is that no team should be able to nominate for a grade, it should all be based on the preceding seasons results. Top two teams up, bottom two down. Everyone else stays where they are.

If your team has a big roster change, then you should be able to state a case for a grade, but the problems we have with grades at the moment are with clubs/teams being able to nominate grades and not being honest.

Betty and the Jets
14-05-2019, 11:16 AM
Nope, once you are in a grade, that's where you stay for the season.

My gripe with gradings is that no team should be able to nominate for a grade, it should all be based on the preceding seasons results. Top two teams up, bottom two down. Everyone else stays where they are.

If your team has a big roster change, then you should be able to state a case for a grade, but the problems we have with grades at the moment are with clubs/teams being able to nominate grades and not being honest.

Yeah that makes no sense. Surely something can be flagged in registration (since it's all online and you can see your past teams/comps).

Aegon
14-05-2019, 11:25 AM
Yeah that makes no sense. Surely something can be flagged in registration (since it's all online and you can see your past teams/comps).

From the information I was told they do actually try and review player history after nomination.

However trying to correlate player history for so many clubs, plus the addition of new teams, new players etc would be bloody impossible to get right.

Half of our team this year have never strapped a boot on before, but we have a couple of blokes 35-38 years old that are quick and fit that is compensating quite well for their lack of footballing background.

Also already this year I have seen some average overall teams with one or two very strong players that can have a huge influence on a match.

Giges
14-05-2019, 04:39 PM
Back to the eligibility conversation, I could be wrong but from what I understand if a player (from the same club obviously) fills for an all age team that isn’t their regular team, their regular all age team cannot be in a higher grade?

If this is correct, how does this work if the fill in player usually plays in the Friday night competition where the grades only goes to L, where the Saturday competitions have more grades?
Is there more flexibility given there is a higher chance the fill in player will be in a higher grade?

sammydog
14-05-2019, 04:57 PM
Back to the eligibility conversation, I could be wrong but from what I understand if a player (from the same club obviously) fills for an all age team that isn’t their regular team, their regular all age team cannot be in a higher grade?

If this is correct, how does this work if the fill in player usually plays in the Friday night competition where the grades only goes to L, where the Saturday competitions have more grades?
Is there more flexibility given there is a higher chance the fill in player will be in a higher grade?

Irrespective of Friday or Saturday, you can not play back a grade. So E Grade Friday could not play F Grade Saturday.

An A grade O35 player can not play B Grade All Age.

Charman
15-05-2019, 12:42 PM
Irrespective of Friday or Saturday, you can not play back a grade. So E Grade Friday could not play F Grade Saturday.

An A grade O35 player can not play B Grade All Age.

That's stumped me sammydog. My understanding was O'35 is considered the lowest "division" and no matter the grade of O'35 you play you can play for any AA team.

sammydog
15-05-2019, 01:00 PM
That's stumped me sammydog. My understanding was O'35 is considered the lowest "division" and no matter the grade of O'35 you play you can play for any AA team.

We've had to Dual Register players to avoid issues with O35 playing as fill ins for AA.

We clarify this every year as it makes no sense, but the advice is always the same.

Giges
15-05-2019, 01:16 PM
Irrespective of Friday or Saturday, you can not play back a grade. So E Grade Friday could not play F Grade Saturday.

An A grade O35 player can not play B Grade All Age.

Thanks mate.
We didn't know and the ref didn't seem to know or care so we just played a few under 15's to avoid any punishment.

boz-monaut
15-05-2019, 01:33 PM
nope

for the purposes of borrowing players it's all the same as far as grading

you can play the same grade as you are registered in or higher, be that Friday, Saturday, All Age, Over 35 or juniors

a team is limited to four borrowed players and those borrowed players cannot take the field before a player registered in the team

they also have to be marked as borrowed on the teamsheet, including the grade they are registered in

Negative Police
17-05-2019, 09:06 PM
We've had to Dual Register players to avoid issues with O35 playing as fill ins for AA.

We clarify this every year as it makes no sense, but the advice is always the same.

Is there a limit of fill-in games for players before they become automatically regraded up the the higher level? Or does duel rego negate this?

Confirming an U15/B player cannot fill-in for AA/C?

boz-monaut
17-05-2019, 09:29 PM
no, yes

ok so I looked up the last one and I'm confused

https://macquariefootball.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2019/05/REGULATION-D-2019.pdf

regulation D47 has the rules for borrowed players

it's really poorly formatted so I can't understand it, then on top of that the wording just doesn't make sense

my understanding is yes, a 15-B will be eligible to play 17A of any AA-A

anyone else want to read and try to interpret?

pastor399
20-05-2019, 03:25 PM
Is there a limit of fill-in games for players before they become automatically regraded up the the higher level? Or does duel rego negate this?

Confirming an U15/B player cannot fill-in for AA/C?

A 15/B will be eligible for:

16/B/C/D/...
17/B/C/D/...
18/A/B/C/...
AA/A/B/C/...


(e) Providing Regulation D 47 (a), (b), (c) and (d) are adhered to, there are no restrictions on the
number of games in which a Borrowed Player may participate

Goatscheese
20-05-2019, 10:14 PM
Rest in peace to the SOuth Cardiff Over 35 player that died of a heart attack while playing Saturday

Aegon
21-05-2019, 07:40 AM
Rest in peace to the SOuth Cardiff Over 35 player that died of a heart attack while playing Saturday

Yep, very sad for him and all the players who were there on the night.

RIP mate.

Charman
21-05-2019, 12:55 PM
Yep, very sad for him and all the players who were there on the night.

RIP mate.

To his family and loved ones, we express our sincere condolences.

anfield
21-05-2019, 10:57 PM
Terrible news, condolences to all connected to this tragedy.

Charman
21-06-2019, 10:49 AM
Just wondering, how often are teams (or certain clubs) not getting refs. For us, O35E Fri night, we have had them once at home. I get it, only game on and all the way out at Redhead. Is there any merit in a thread that indicates a pool of people that would have interest in a call up or we just place an "add" for a person to officiate? We find someone every week but it's like pulling teeth.

Betty and the Jets
21-06-2019, 11:19 AM
Just wondering, how often are teams (or certain clubs) not getting refs. For us, O35E Fri night, we have had them once at home. I get it, only game on and all the way out at Redhead. Is there any merit in a thread that indicates a pool of people that would have interest in a call up or we just place an "add" for a person to officiate? We find someone every week but it's like pulling teeth.

Quite possibly location and time (Friday night I imagine would suck).
All Age Friday here. We have had referees every game so far (touch wood), but it is all very central - Even 8pm games seem fine.

boz-monaut
21-06-2019, 01:33 PM
is anyone else sick of this bullshit $100 fine for not having a duty officer?

a lot of our games we're lucky to have players, let alone spectators - so the idea of fining clubs for not having enough volunteers to sit outside on a cold and rainy Friday night is in my option, complete and utter bullshit

it's the refs who report not having a duty officer - fair enough they may wish to make a note of it if there is actually an issue at the game, but to fine club's when there isn't a problem is just bullshit

Roundball Enthusiast
21-06-2019, 01:55 PM
is anyone else sick of this bullshit $100 fine for not having a duty officer?

a lot of our games we're lucky to have players, let alone spectators - so the idea of fining clubs for not having enough volunteers to sit outside on a cold and rainy Friday night is in my option, complete and utter bullshit

it's the refs who report not having a duty officer - fair enough they may wish to make a note of it if there is actually an issue at the game, but to fine club's when there isn't a problem is just bullshit

Only required when you have a licensed venue, right?

plague
21-06-2019, 02:28 PM
Only required when you have a licensed venue, right?

i didnt think so.
Last year i got drafted in to do it for a shift and that ground def didnt have a license.
Unless the club i was at just made sure there was a duty officer around, but they were adamant that no games were going on without one.

Roundball Enthusiast
21-06-2019, 02:45 PM
i didnt think so.
Last year i got drafted in to do it for a shift and that ground def didnt have a license.
Unless the club i was at just made sure there was a duty officer around, but they were adamant that no games were going on without one.

You're right.

It's in the Macquarie policies. Every Club must have at least 1 Duty Officer (O35, AA etc - 2 for Zone)

https://macquariefootball.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2019/05/REGULATION-D-2019.pdf



A MINIMUM OF ONE (1) nominated and readily identifiable GROUND OFFICIAL (DUTY
OFFICER) MUST be available for the duration of each and every Fixture on each and every
Club ground on which a Fixture(s) has been set; and for an additional period of 30
minutes prior to the start of the Fixture and for an additional period of 30 minutes after
the Fixture has concluded. ‘Çlub Ground’ in this context refers to a full sized playing field.
If no Ground Official (Duty Officer) is present during a Match, the Referee must report this
fact using the appropriate part of the Team Match Sheet. A warning will be given to the
offending Club for a first offence; a second or subsequent offence of failure to provide a
Duty Officer for a Match as required by Regulations will result in a monetary fine on an
escalating scale. (refer to Rule D08, Rule D19 and Rule D25).
A centrally located Official Table, on which the required Team Sheet for the Fixture is
placed,
must be provided by the Home Club (Refer to Rule D45).
Failure to comply with this Regulation or part thereof may result in a Forfeit being
awarded to the opposing Team and a Fine as determined annually

Charman
21-06-2019, 04:39 PM
I understand why this is a rule but for crying out loud, have they been to an old farts freezing weather FRI night game? I note it states “escalating scale” too.

redwah
21-06-2019, 04:46 PM
Put the bib on the goal keeper and say he’s doing it.....bloody stupid rule...half the time the only people other than wives and kids watching o35s end up reffing or running a line...do you play without a ref so you can have a duty officer?

Roundball Enthusiast
21-06-2019, 04:59 PM
Put the bib on the goal keeper and say he’s doing it.....bloody stupid rule...half the time the only people other than wives and kids watching o35s end up reffing or running a line...do you play without a ref so you can have a duty officer?

I am assuming the rule only applies when you have official refs and not club refs. Agree a stupid rule for AA/O35's. Hard to get people out on a cold windy/rainy Friday night.

sammydog
21-06-2019, 09:48 PM
I am assuming the rule only applies when you have official refs and not club refs. Agree a stupid rule for AA/O35's. Hard to get people out on a cold windy/rainy Friday night.

Rule only applies when a ref calls you on it. Lots of games without duty officers go unreported. But yes, we are supposed to have them for all games, licenced or not, including mini-Roos.

We’ve been fined twice this year already.

We got done last year in an U15’s game even though I was sitting on the hill all game with a vest on.

For day time games it usually isnt a problem as we make the teams doing canteen do it, but Friday nights is an issue when no one wants to watch as it’s too cold and the canteen isn’t open.

Goatscheese
21-06-2019, 11:26 PM
Just wondering, how often are teams (or certain clubs) not getting refs. For us, O35E Fri night, we have had them once at home. I get it, only game on and all the way out at Redhead. Is there any merit in a thread that indicates a pool of people that would have interest in a call up or we just place an "add" for a person to officiate? We find someone every week but it's like pulling teeth.

Looking at the referee roster that comes out everyweek plenty of grounds won't get them every week


What I don't get is that they assign three refs to one ground so that 4-6 games have the centre ref and two linesmen, but then all these other grounds have no refs.

Would be far better to assign a centre ref to as many games as possible and then assign linesmen.

Goatscheese
21-06-2019, 11:27 PM
Only required when you have a licensed venue, right?

No and this year the association has added a box to the team sheet for the refs to mark where there is no duty officer.

Bremsstrahlung
22-06-2019, 09:40 AM
Looking at the referee roster that comes out everyweek plenty of grounds won't get them every week


What I don't get is that they assign three refs to one ground so that 4-6 games have the centre ref and two linesmen, but then all these other grounds have no refs.

Would be far better to assign a centre ref to as many games as possible and then assign linesmen.

Few factors. No longer involved, but historically the 3 referees that were assigned would either rotate if there were 2-3 games or include a senior referee and two junior referees that wouldn’t be capable of refereeing an all age or o35 game.

Conversely, rostering 1 senior referee to officiate 3 games as the sole referee would be a big undertaking. Usually the better grade is last and they end up with a referee that’s already been moving around for 3 hours to officiate the game alone.

Interesting development with the duty officer section. Does the duty officer have to present to the referee or be sighted during play? As Sammy said, what if they are just watching from somewhere afar and there’s nothing untoward happening?

IMO, duty officer is important when things get out of hand. But if the games are played in good spirits and there’s no need for them, then it should be acceptable. However, the issue comes when a “this will be a chill game” turns bad and there’s no duty officer present to help control the situation.

In the new area I was playing prior to injury, the referee has to get two names prior to the game of duty officers. One from each team. If they don’t get names, the game doesn’t start. So that’s what a Sydney association is doing...

sammydog
22-06-2019, 10:16 AM
Does the duty officer have to present to the referee or be sighted during play?

Just needs to be visible.

Goatscheese
22-06-2019, 10:36 AM
Few factors. No longer involved, but historically the 3 referees that were assigned would either rotate if there were 2-3 games or include a senior referee and two junior referees that wouldn’t be capable of refereeing an all age or o35 game.

I understand that and do see it but I also see three men reffing a game at some grounds and no refs at others.


Conversely, rostering 1 senior referee to officiate 3 games as the sole referee would be a big undertaking. Usually the better grade is last and they end up with a referee that’s already been moving around for 3 hours to officiate the game alone.

Not something I had thought of but better to have one tired referee than none.


Interesting development with the duty officer section. Does the duty officer have to present to the referee or be sighted during play? As Sammy said, what if they are just watching from somewhere afar and there’s nothing untoward happening?

In the new area I was playing prior to injury, the referee has to get two names prior to the game of duty officers. One from each team. If they don’t get names, the game doesn’t start. So that’s what a Sydney association is doing...

Just sighted, however, I have been told by one club secretary (though she is prone to lying about these sort of things) that referees are not to start a game unless there are duty officers present. I have never seen a game where duty officers are not present and a ref refuse to start.

Aegon
22-06-2019, 11:45 AM
I understand that and do see it but I also see three men reffing a game at some grounds and no refs at others.

TBF, most of the assistants are younger kids with a senior ref in the middle.

After last nights effort I can see why we struggle to get refs at all. Some of the player behavior is appalling.

sammydog
22-06-2019, 05:35 PM
TBF, most of the assistants are younger kids with a senior ref in the middle.

Some of the player behavior is appalling.

Thats the crux of the problem.

I also think that with O35's becoming more and more popular, there are less people jumping over to ref when they stop playing.

Good news is, I have had some very good young refs in charge of my U12 Girls this season, if all these kids stick with it we do have some good referees coming through. Just have to look after them and make sure they aren't turned off it.

Goatscheese
22-06-2019, 09:50 PM
TBF, most of the assistants are younger kids with a senior ref in the middle.

After last nights effort I can see why we struggle to get refs at all. Some of the player behavior is appalling.

Yes I know which I do see, however, as I said I do see some of the three are all men.

Thomas477
22-06-2019, 09:56 PM
Thats the crux of the problem.

I also think that with O35's becoming more and more popular, there are less people jumping over to ref when they stop playing.

Good news is, I have had some very good young refs in charge of my U12 Girls this season, if all these kids stick with it we do have some good referees coming through. Just have to look after them and make sure they aren't turned off it.

Lenny’s hit it on the head. The amount of turn over we get is ridiculous, and most of the time it’s due to the way they’ve been treated by players, team officials, spectators and clubs. I’m not saying all clubs are bad, nor players or team officials. Quite simply, it’s a cancer on our game. Everyone needs to realise that the refs aren’t out there to **** any one over, they’re out there to do their best. If a player misses a pass, or has a bad touch, does everyone abuse them? So why abuse referees? Especially the young kids, that’s just not on.

As for where there’s 3 adult referees appointed to one ground, it doesn’t meant they’re competent enough to do the centre. The two ARs might be beginners, or not quite up to the level to do a centre with adults. Might also be where they can make it after work. And on the odd occasion, you might get all three competent enough, but there might be other factors that you don’t know about.

In terms of the number of games referees cover, a somewhat fit referee will do between 6 and 7km per adult match, and about half that on the line, depending on teams. So as others have said, it’s a long ****ing day for them, especially when you have 5 min turn around. Players are wrecked after 1 game, feel sorry for the ref who’s still got another 2 to go and by the end of the day might’ve covered close to 20km, or more. Same thing in the senior comps, generally the refs are there all day, so by the time first grade has come around, they might’ve already done 10-12km, and then have to deal with first grade. This is simply a result of the number of available referees.

People just need to stop acting like entitled twats who expect perfection from humans. Or, if they still want to expect perfection, northern have a great deal for next season where for $100 you get the beginners course, and all you need to start reffing, including rego, but not boots. If you think it’s easy, go pick up a whistle and try it.

Jim
22-06-2019, 11:40 PM
Thats the crux of the problem.

I also think that with O35's becoming more and more popular, there are less people jumping over to ref when they stop playing.

Good news is, I have had some very good young refs in charge of my U12 Girls this season, if all these kids stick with it we do have some good referees coming through. Just have to look after them and make sure they aren't turned off it.

As refs we are all 1 game from giving it away for good. The players will usually decided when

anfield
24-06-2019, 08:17 PM
Referee numbers are down in all age and over 35's football due to more referees being pushed into zone league football. With some zone league teams now playing Friday nights.

I suppose it's great for the zone league competitions and the referees themselves who make more cash doing zone league games. I suppose that's the advantage of teams playing zone league football. A real incentive to make the step up.

In my opinion the Friday night all age competition has become too big in grades, I believe it should have been capped and this in term would have provided more referees in the friday night over 35's. Friday night was always the main night for over 35's and should have stayed that way. As in future years the womens all age may request to play some grades on Friday night, what will happen then?

I suppose at the end of the day associations are mainly concerned on playing numbers and couldn't really care who plays on what days.

goaliepersempre
24-06-2019, 11:02 PM
In switzerland we have a system that the referees are registered basically at a base level with a football club... and the amount of teams a club is allowed to field from juniors to seniors is directly related to how many referees they have registered....

evolution
26-06-2019, 11:26 AM
Anyone know if there'll be a weekend gap between the last round and semis this year?

Giges
26-06-2019, 12:30 PM
Anyone know if there'll be a weekend gap between the last round and semis this year?

I wouldn't think so as I would think the Grand Final weekend would be 31/8-1/9 as it was last year.

Reds Forever
26-06-2019, 01:35 PM
I wouldn't think so as I would think the Grand Final weekend would be 31/8-1/9 as it was last year.

No spare weekend between final round and semi finals. Only spare weekend left is 12th to 14th July.

Grand Finals as above.

evolution
26-06-2019, 01:46 PM
I wouldn't think so as I would think the Grand Final weekend would be 31/8-1/9 as it was last year.


No spare weekend between final round and semi finals. Only spare weekend left is 12th to 14th July.

Grand Finals as above.

Cheers guys

Thomas477
26-06-2019, 06:18 PM
Referee numbers are down in all age and over 35's football due to more referees being pushed into zone league football. With some zone league teams now playing Friday nights.

I suppose it's great for the zone league competitions and the referees themselves who make more cash doing zone league games. I suppose that's the advantage of teams playing zone league football. A real incentive to make the step up.


I’m sorry, but that’s not true. They’re not being “pushed” into the zone league. It’s just a lot of the refs would have been doing a/a & o/35s are wanting to push themselves and see how they go into zone league. It’s also happening with juniors, a lot of the first years who would start in juniors are bypassing that and going straight to northern’s 11/12s SAP and junior newfm/npl as opposed to doing their apprenticeship in the various junior comps. There has also been a big movement of referees from the junior branches to northern over the past few years, and a range of ability levels. What you also find is that a lot of these referees would be covering up to 9 games over a weekend with the junior branches, whereas now, due to various reasons, they’re not doing anything near that. The junior branches never really recovered from this loss.

sammydog
26-06-2019, 07:28 PM
I’m sorry, but that’s not true. They’re not being “pushed” into the zone league. It’s just a lot of the refs would have been doing a/a & o/35s are wanting to push themselves and see how they go into zone league. It’s also happening with juniors, a lot of the first years who would start in juniors are bypassing that and going straight to northern’s 11/12s SAP and junior newfm/npl as opposed to doing their apprenticeship in the various junior comps. There has also been a big movement of referees from the junior branches to northern over the past few years, and a range of ability levels. What you also find is that a lot of these referees would be covering up to 9 games over a weekend with the junior branches, whereas now, due to various reasons, they’re not doing anything near that. The junior branches never really recovered from this loss.

You don't think the reason for the move is because they get paid more to officiate those games than they do with Juniors/AA/O35?

anfield
26-06-2019, 07:59 PM
I’m sorry, but that’s not true. They’re not being “pushed” into the zone league. It’s just a lot of the refs would have been doing a/a & o/35s are wanting to push themselves and see how they go into zone league. It’s also happening with juniors, a lot of the first years who would start in juniors are bypassing that and going straight to northern’s 11/12s SAP and junior newfm/npl as opposed to doing their apprenticeship in the various junior comps. There has also been a big movement of referees from the junior branches to northern over the past few years, and a range of ability levels. What you also find is that a lot of these referees would be covering up to 9 games over a weekend with the junior branches, whereas now, due to various reasons, they’re not doing anything near that. The junior branches never really recovered from this loss.

Call it want you want, encouraged to do zone league and the higher rates of pay are the benefit of it.

anfield
26-06-2019, 08:00 PM
Call it want you want, encouraged to do zone league and the higher rates of pay are the benefit of it.

What you want, is the correct wording.

Bremsstrahlung
26-06-2019, 09:00 PM
I don’t think anybody over 18 referees for pure monetary reasons.

Charman
26-06-2019, 09:02 PM
Thanks for all the input. I clarify my understanding of refs not doing certain games, particularly a one off at Redhead. My question remains, is it worth a thread “advertising” so to speak, Person wanted to ref a game at xyz grounds on date, time? PM if interested. Cash payment in accordance with standard ref fees applies.
We may see a pool of people interested we can tap into on a regular basis.

redwah
01-08-2019, 05:55 PM
Anyone have any word on where finals might be this year. I think it goes on which club is leading the grade with a couple of games to go but any word on which clubs got finals?

Charman
01-08-2019, 06:41 PM
Anyone have any word on where finals might be this year. I think it goes on which club is leading the grade with a couple of games to go but any word on which clubs got finals?

Go to Macquarie football website (or Newcastle or Hunter) select your competition, select fixtures, you will se a tab the says regular season, change it to finals and then you will be able to see. All grades are in different areas.

Charman
09-08-2019, 09:12 PM
Hey Boz, can you let us know the result of cookers v bay o35 E tonight? Cheers.

boz-monaut
09-08-2019, 09:18 PM
Cooks Hill won 3-1

score entered in sportingpulse already too

Charman
09-08-2019, 09:28 PM
Legend, thanks.

evolution
28-08-2019, 02:01 PM
So what happens if any of the grounds hosting Grand Finals are washed out this weekend?

Replay the week after or do the highest ranked team win it by default?

oneeye
28-08-2019, 02:03 PM
So what happens if any of the grounds hosting Grand Finals are washed out this weekend?

Replay the week after or do the highest ranked team win it by default?

3. In the event of a washout of the Grand Finals, efforts will be made to relocate matches to a suitable venue, consideration to move the Grand Final to the next weekend will be made taking into account all related factors; if the Grand Final match/s are CANCELLED the Grand Finals round for those cancelled matches (Age/Division) will be as follows:
• The competition Finals Series shall be declared concluded for the season.
• There shall be no Grand Final Winner or Grand Final Runner-Up – no game has been played.

evolution
28-08-2019, 02:06 PM
3. In the event of a washout of the Grand Finals, efforts will be made to relocate matches to a suitable venue, consideration to move the Grand Final to the next weekend will be made taking into account all related factors; if the Grand Final match/s are CANCELLED the Grand Finals round for those cancelled matches (Age/Division) will be as follows:
• The competition Finals Series shall be declared concluded for the season.
• There shall be no Grand Final Winner or Grand Final Runner-Up – no game has been played.

Cheers mate

Negative Police
30-08-2019, 06:04 PM
Jack Neave Southy closed tonight

sammydog
30-08-2019, 06:18 PM
Field 1 at Miller Park (Greta Branxton) Closed
King Park 3 (Raymond Terrace) Closed

I'm surprised thats all thats closed. Our ground looks more like a dam at the moment.

The Hacker
30-08-2019, 06:46 PM
If it's washed out are there replays or joint premiers

Negative Police
30-08-2019, 06:52 PM
If it's washed out are there replays or joint premiers

Trying reschedule. No play no winner

sammydog
30-08-2019, 07:25 PM
I believe the southy games are on next Friday now.

Forecast is 25-45mm again tomorrow, so Saturday would have to be in doubt.

evolution
31-08-2019, 09:00 AM
Barnsley a complete washout today, all games rescheduled for next weekend.

Charman
31-08-2019, 11:40 AM
Thanks to Rutherford we got on last night. Great pitch, was wet but not “slushy”. Dudley with the win 4-2 over tenambit.