18/19 HAL Round 18 | Newcastle Jets v Wellington Phoenix | Thu 7th Feb 2019 1950

[Jeterpool]

A-League 2018/19 Round 18 Newcastle Jets v Wellington Phoenix

FIXTURE FACTS

Overall – 35 matches between the two teams.
Jets Wins - 11, Phoenix Wins - 19, Drawn - 5


In Newcastle – 16 matches.
Jets Wins - 7, Phoenix Wins - 7, Drawn - 2
In New Zealand - 19 matches
Jets Wins - 4, Phoenix Wins - 12, Drawn - 3

Average Home A-League Crowd – 9553
Average Away A-League Crowd - 8365

Goals in Fixture
Jets – 45, Phoenix - 68
In Newcastle -
Jets – 31, Phoenix - 27

1st Goals in Fixture
Jets – 13, Phoenix - 21

Cards in Fixture
Jets - 66 (59 yellow, 7 red), Phoenix 57 (53 yellow, 4 red)


Last Result -
Newcastle Jets 1 (D Petratos 90+5') - Wellington Phoenix 2 (Georgievski 32' o.g, Krishna 89') at Westpac Stadium, A-League, Round 1, Season 2018/19

Starting line-ups from Last Meeting in Season 2018/19 Round 1

Newcastle JetsWellington Phoenix
Glen MossFilip Kurto
Daniel GeorgievskiLouis Fenton
Nigel BoogaardSteven Taylor
Nikolai Topor-StanleyAndrew Durante
Lachlan JacksonThomas Doyle
Steven UgarkovicMandi
Matthew RidentonAlex Rufer
Ronald VargasSarpreet Singh
Jason HoffmanLiberto Cacace
Dimitri PetratosDavid Williams
Jair EduardoRoy Krishna



FIXTURE RECORDS


Biggest Win

Jets 5 (Heskey 36’, Griffiths 46’, Taggart 57’, Taggart 77’, Bridges 90+3’) – Phoenix 0 at Hunter Stadium, Round 24, Season 2013/14, 22/03/2014.

Heaviest Defeat

Jets 0 – Phoenix 5 (Barbarouses 24', Finkler 36', Ridenton 49', Hoffman 66' o.g, Bonevacia 86'), Round 24, Season 2016/17 at Westpac Stadium, 26/03/2017.

Leading Scorers in fixture –


Jets - Joel Griffiths (4)
Phoenix - Shane Smeltz (6)



2017/18 SEASON STATISTICS

NumberNameAppearancesStartsSubbed OnSubbed offMinutes PlayedGoalsAssistsYellow CardsRed Cards
1Glen Moss14140112150010
3Jason Hoffman15132811213241
4Nigel Boogaard16160014400040
5Ben Kantarovski118317400010
6Steven Ugarkovic17161413700020
7Dimitri Petratos17161014853300
8Jair Eduardo15114118421100
9Roy O'Donovan99037955100
10Ronald Vargas16151512493011
11Mitch Austin5050730100
13Ivan Vujica84423580000
14Kaine Sheppard134944523210
16Nick Cowburn72512141000
17Daniel Georgievski16160413960150
18John Koutroumbis66015160010
20Lewis Italiano43103150000
22Lachlan Jackson108236480020
23Matthew Ridenton149519231010
24Joe Champness1010220000
32Angus Thurgate5050610000
44Nikolai Topor-Stanley17170015300110



COACHING

Coaches Head to Head – 1 matches
Ernie Merrick - 0 wins, Mark Rudan - 1 win, 0 drawn

Newcastle Jets A-League Coaching Records –

Ernie Merrick - 4 matches (2 wins, 0 drawn, 2 losses = 50% win ratio)
Mark Jones - 3 matches (0 wins, 1 drawn, 2 losses = 0% win ratio)
Scott Miller - 3 matches (3 wins, 0 drawn, 0 losses = 100% win ratio)
Phil Stubbins - 3 matches (0 wins, 1 draw, 2 losses = 0% win ratio)
Gary Van Egmond – 12 matches (3 wins, 3 drawn and 6 losses = 25% win ratio)
Richard Money - No matches
Branko Culina – 7 matches (2 wins, 0 drawn, 5 losses = 29% win ratio)
Nick Theodorakopoulos - No Matches
Craig Deans - 1 Match (0 win, 0 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Clayton Zane – 2 matches (1 wins, 0 drawn, 1 loss = 50% win ratio)

Wellington Phoenix Coach Record – Mark Rudan 100% win ratio (1 win, 0 drawn, 0 losses)

[plague]

It's a must win game.

So you all know how this will pan out.

[MFKS]

It's a must win game.

So you all know how this will pan out.

0-0 draw??

[Jetmaster]

Plague is right....we have a history of not winning must wins.

[StannyCFCJET]

Plague is right....we have a history of not winning must wins.

Or just not winning

[plague]

Plague is right.

Jetmaster is right.

[plague]

my bookie just informed me that Wellington to win or draw is paying $1.91.

kids, go get your free money.

im off on holidays tomorrow, might just load up and pay for the trip tonight.

[Jeterpool]

So who is risking Dimi tonight, given his back issue, with the ACL ahead on Tuesday?

[MFKS]

So who is risking Dimi tonight, given his back issue, with the ACL ahead on Tuesday?

**** the ACL

Our season rests on tonights game

If he can play then there is no way on Griffs great earth he is sitting it out

[StannyCFCJET]

So who is risking Dimi tonight, given his back issue, with the ACL ahead on Tuesday?

Merrick. And sadly we can't rely on Vargas turning up so Dimi has to play

[Bon]

Our season rests on tonights game

I'm afraid this is correct..
No win tonight, then its just about definitely no semis..

[Frodo]

Merrick. And sadly we can't rely on Vargas turning up so Dimi has to play

Yeah, our equal second highest goal scorer is woeful but our other equal 2nd highest goal scorer is indispensable??

[StannyCFCJET]

Yeah, our equal second highest goal scorer is woeful but our other equal 2nd highest goal scorer is indispensable??

I never said Hoff is indispensable

[Frodo]

I never said Hoff is indispensable

What about Sheppard?

[StannyCFCJET]

What about Sheppard?

He is on current form

[MFKS]

And Dimi starts


Bert the wise old dog pulling the fake injury for his gun player stunt

[The Dunster]

Wellington have a little too much flair up front for us to cope.

Big concerns about Boogs marking up like he can match them for pace.

[The Dunster]

Nix are absolutely killing us all over the park. Simply too good for us so far.

The fact we are on level terms score wise is a miracle.

[Hunter403]

****, this ref is having a lend

[Hunter403]

Get Ridenton off. Clueless

[Hunter403]

We don't deserve it but.....RONNIE!!!!!

[MFKS]

That is the 1st useful thing Vargas has done all season

Has some **** pointed out to him that is what we pay him for ??

[The Dunster]

Thats why Vargas is on big dollars

[StannyCFCJET]

Thats why Vargas is on big dollars

Should be doing it every week like other teams marquees

[belchardo]

Ref is shit.

[The Dunster]

Ball watching.

[The Dunster]

Both teams could have four goals. Posts, crossbars and keepers stopping everything.

[The Dunster]

We have thrown this away

[Retro Jet]

Justice.
Bring.back.Japanese.refs.FFS!

[The Dunster]

Ref has no idea when to issue yellow card. Nix lucky yo not have a man off.

[The Dunster]

Dimi is not well. Looks to be struggling.

[StannyCFCJET]

Didnt take recruitment for this season seriously and its cost us big time

[MFKS]

Didnt take recruitment for this season seriously and its cost us big time

Some of these players have got to be culled and by that I mean released going forward

Roy
Vargas
Boogaard
Jair

We are dead set taking the piss with them out there

[StannyCFCJET]

Some of these players have got to be culled and by that I mean released going forward

Roy
Vargas
Boogaard
Jair

We are dead set taking the piss with them out there

I'd Keep Roy because finding someone who can score goals at aleague level is hard and I'd keep Boogs as a back up

[MFKS]

I'd Keep Roy because finding someone who can score goals at aleague level is hard and I'd keep Boogs as a back up

Score goals at HAL level??

Roy and Vargas SHOULD have BOTH had hat tricks tonight

No mistake about it their poor finishing is killing us

No 9 and 10 need to be putting ball in the net regualarly and neither are doing it

If Le Fondre played in our front line he would have 50 this season and counting

Boogs as back up??
FMD
If he cant hold a 1st team spot then he plays in the NBN comp

[The Hacker]

Some of these players have got to be culled and by that I mean released going forward

Roy
Vargas
Boogaard
Jair

We are dead set taking the piss with them out there

Roy busts a gut without the ball it will turn for him the 10 weeks off helped him none

[380]

Get Ridenton off. Clueless

This. Bloke was lucky to see it til halftime , Just before the goal by Vargas they were getting ready to sub him.

Roy is missing shit other good 9's in the comp are not. He looks heavier than last season and showing nowhere near the sort of anticipation. He applauds plenty of good service but not making the most of it.

Some bizarre shit has taken place this season from recruitment ie Jair and Ridenton both taking up visa spots and not worthy of them. The piss take that was the first eight rounds and some of Ernie's selections and even down to the last sub tonight when we needed a win and could have not for the first time gone to a back 3 and brought Jair on rather than Vujica.

[MFKS]

This. Bloke was lucky to see it til halftime , Just before the goal by Vargas they were getting ready to sub him.

Roy is missing shit other good 9's in the comp are not. He looks heavier than last season and showing nowhere near the sort of anticipation. He applauds plenty of good service but not making the most of it.

Some bizarre shit has taken place this season from recruitment ie Jair and Ridenton both taking up visa spots and not worthy of them. The piss take that was the first eight rounds and some of Ernie's selections and even down to the last sub tonight when we needed a win and could have not for the first time gone to a back 3 and brought Jair on rather than Vujica.

Ernie got his selections badly wrong tonight

When the game was getting physical in the first half and everyone was kicking he has his two weakest at this in Ridenton and Ugarkovic on and leaves Kanta on the bench

When the second half opened up and we needed a CM on to spread the ball he had Kanta and Ugarkovic on as he had taken his best at spraying midfield passes off



Matter of fact what was with putting Vujica on with 10 to go??

Need to win game so lets rotate our left backs ?? FMD Clueless

[Bremsstrahlung]

MV have Toivonen, Sydney has Le Fondre. Both their goals to games are brilliant. And they are clinical. They only need half a chance. They are making their respective teams look better than they are.

Our main striker missed 8 weeks and wasn’t replaced appropriately.

[plague]

my bookie just informed me that Wellington to win or draw is paying $1.91.

kids, go get your free money.

im off on holidays tomorrow, might just load up and pay for the trip tonight.

just had to book an extra luggage allowance to take all this cash away.
its the golden age of gambling boys. get involved.

[The Dunster]

MV have Toivonen, Sydney has Le Fondre. Both their goals to games are brilliant. And they are clinical. They only need half a chance. They are making their respective teams look better than they are.

Our main striker missed 8 weeks and wasn’t replaced appropriately.

We don't have any money so we can't afford these types of players due to Mr Lee taking a massive financial hit to his business courtesy of Donald Trumps trade shenanigans.

Next season will be worse because we won't have the money to retain what we have now.

[Bon]

We don't have any money so we can't afford these types of players due to Mr Lee taking a massive financial hit to his business courtesy of Donald Trumps trade shenanigans.

Next season will be worse because we won't have the money to retain what we have now.

As dire as it all sounds, is there any chance/hope about any recruitment if we do manage to qualify for the ACL??
I seem to remember yeeeeeears ago when we were last involved, that suddenly there were concessions for teams involved to sign special signings, it also helped attract people who wanted to be seen over in Asia.. (Milligan? Ljubo.. Donny.. Sasho.. Fab.. even bloody Ange Costanzo..)

I guess it all comes down to money, or our lack of it?

[The Dunster]

As dire as it all sounds, is there any chance/hope about any recruitment if we do manage to qualify for the ACL??
I seem to remember yeeeeeears ago when we were last involved, that suddenly there were concessions for teams involved to sign special signings, it also helped attract people who wanted to be seen over in Asia.. (Milligan? Ljubo.. Donny.. Sasho.. Fab.. even bloody Ange Costanzo..)

I guess it all comes down to money, or our lack of it?

In their market Ledman have lost 31% of its value over the past 12 months.
Hongli Zhihui Group Co. Ltd. one of their main competitors has lost almost 34% of its value.
Kennede Electronics Mfg. Co. Ltd also a competitor has lost 50% of its value.

As far as the Jets are concerned it's only going to get worse. We have no money and it looks like there is little to no prospect of Ledman recovering to its former position.

[q-money]

only the jets could manage to lose out in an international trade war ffs

[MFKS]

only the jets could manage to lose out in an international trade war ffs

Just got to ride it out anyway

Trumpy and the US economy is built on a house of cards

Gonna come crashing down soon

[The Dunster]

To be fair the shit started in 2016 so Trumps not fully responsible for the situation - it's more a case of him throwing fuel on the fire.
Ledman aren't going bust but they are definitely playing it safe / consolidating.

[plague]

#fakenews

Anyone who thinks they are rich because of the worth of their shares is a dope.

Trump didnt change any policy did he? Just made a threat, and a bunch of people shit their pants. If your business can be so easily manipulated by the words of an orange buffoon you have a house made of sticks.

[The Dunster]

#fakenews

Anyone who thinks they are rich because of the worth of their shares is a dope.

Trump didnt change any policy did he? Just made a threat, and a bunch of people shit their pants. If your business can be so easily manipulated by the words of an orange buffoon you have a house made of sticks.

it's an exogenous variable. It has nothing to do with the structure of a company. Even it we are talking about a non-listed business the impact upon revenues is completely out of their control.

[plague]

it's an exogenous variable. It has nothing to do with the structure of a company. Even it we are talking about a non-listed business the impact upon revenues is completely out of their control.

I was under the impression Lee had yet to lose a dollar in revenue due to the threat of tariffs

I heard the loss in value of his company via share price slump is what people were using to define his drop in wealth.

Happy to be proven wrong though.

[Frodo]

I was under the impression Lee had yet to lose a dollar in revenue due to the threat of tariffs

I heard the loss in value of his company via share price slump is what people were using to define his drop in wealth.

Happy to be proven wrong though.

Share price affects borrowing power. So the loss in share price means he has less money available to him. So yes, he has lost money that he had available a few years ago. Hence why he has lost wealth.

I'm fairly confident you completely understand this but are just being facetious.

[plague]

So yes, he has lost money that he had available a few years ago. Hence why he has lost wealth.


'Available to him' is the key phrase and exactly what I'm talking about.

He can only get that money by selling shares ' IF' someone will pay that price.

The market has decided NOT to pay that price, hence he got richer and poorer without seeing any of that cash.

It's like Tinkler, the bloke went from nothing to billionaire then nothing and was lucky if he saw 1% of the actual money.

Everyone else made him rich, everyone else made him broke. What he did in between was believe that he was in control of it.

[Frodo]

'Available to him' is the key phrase and exactly what I'm talking about.

He can only get that money by selling shares ' IF' someone will pay that price.

The market has decided NOT to pay that price, hence he got richer and poorer without seeing any of that cash.

It's like Tinkler, the bloke went from nothing to billionaire then nothing and was lucky if he saw 1% of the actual money.

Everyone else made him rich, everyone else made him broke. What he did in between was believe that he was in control of it.

So what's that got to do with the Jets? You are correct, but we need to discuss the cash available to be spent on the Jets, which has been affected by the tariffs and the Ginger faced twat muffin's geriatric rants and rabbles.

So, whoever said it earlier (it may have been Bon) is correct that we have some big issues coming up. Dimi may get an offer to go O/S, Roy is getting towards the end of his prime, Uga may get an offer to go O/S, we have 40 yr old CBs who are on a steady decline.

Add to that an owner with no money for marquees, scouts and coaching staff and we will be signing rejects from East Melbourne Pride or Central Western Southern Sydney siders in a short while.

[The Dunster]

Sales and net income have fallen at least 30% for Ledman. Investment spending has tanked as well.

They are doing ok but expectations have been revised downwards.

We won't be spending up on players next season.

[turbojetfireV8]

can we interest Jack Ma in buying into the team at all then?? Martin could offer him a partnership...

[mic22]

Looks like the Jets are trying to go back to last season: in the last 2 games they have been letting the opposition dictate the game, trying to disrupt when the opportunity came. It worked very well with WSW, just because the conversion rate was good (+ 2 penalties, which is pretty rare).
It was kind of working with the NIx too: 62% possession for the Nix at half time, 1-0 Jets.
Only problem is, our conversion rate went back to awful: Roy, Vargas and Dimi missed at least 4 sitters (Roy and Vargas especially).
Ronny's goal was nothing short of amazing: he should provide this sort of quality week in week out, unfortunately it's not happening. Apart from the goal, he did very little. I keep thinking this is not good enough for a marquee, won't make much difference if we can't afford him next season.

Re money: isn't the salary cap controlled by FFA, meaning they provide the $$$? If that's the case, Lee's financial problems should not affect players under the cap - the problem then is recruitment, which has been pretty poor this season - apart from Sheppard.

[plague]

can we interest Jack Ma in buying into the team at all then?? Martin could offer him a partnership...

I'd rather see him bankroll Cooks Hill all the way up to an A-League licence.
He has pretty strong connections to that club yeah?
Hes pretty much already a Newyboy anyway innit?

[Couscous]

Martin, you need to diversify your business. I'm nervous that almost all of your earnings relate to LED lighting.

I recommend bubble tea.