2019 ACL Qualifying | Kashima Antlers v Newcastle Jets | Tue 17th Feb 2019 2100

[Jeterpool]

Jets Squad for the game

1 Glen Moss
4 Nigel Boogaard
5 Ben Kantarovski
6 Steven Ugarkovic
7 Dimitri Petratos
9 Roy O'Donovan
10 Ronald Vargas
13 Ivan Vujica
14 Kaine Sheppard
16 Nick Cowburn
17 Daniel Georgievski
18 John Koutroumbis
20 Lewis Italiano
22 Lachlan Jackson
23 Matthew Ridenton
24 Joe Champness
32 Angus Thurgate
44 Nikolai Topor-Stanley

[belchardo]

ergh, how am i going to stay up until 11pm on a school night.

[plague]

Why are we even talking about this game.

Fox showed the GF the last night.
I forgot just how many absolute plonkers the gypos had.

Adam Kwasnik that useless hunchback looking mother****er.

Alvin Ceccoli. Just months everywhere.

Also: when that broke ass gypo prick Jedinak tried to hurt Griff from the kickoff and it all started, Matt Thompson is all trying to be friendly to Hutcho and D'apuzz goes over and sticks a finger in his face and gave him the business.

Newy legend.
Thompson always hated us.

[Couscous]

I lack confidence in our entire midfield at the moment.

[Jeterpool]

Why are we even talking about this game.

Fox showed the GF the last night.
I forgot just how many absolute plonkers the gypos had.

Adam Kwasnik that useless hunchback looking mother****er.

Alvin Ceccoli. Just months everywhere.

Also: when that broke ass gypo prick Jedinak tried to hurt Griff from the kickoff and it all started, Matt Thompson is all trying to be friendly to Hutcho and D'apuzz goes over and sticks a finger in his face and gave him the business.

Newy legend.
Thompson always hated us.

Championship Chronicles stories all over again. Might go back and have another listen now

[Jeterpool]

Furns spoke with Scott McIntryre again about our chances with Kashima on the podcast. Worth a listen.

[Jeterpool]

This has to be one of the easiest team talks Ernie has had to give. We're unfancied, we're away from home and they're the reigning champions. We shouldn't win and we aren't expected to.

However, I reckon the recent off-seasons where we have traveled will have given the boys some experience in what to expect with travelling internationally. We've started to find a bit of a groove with our counter attack and Kashima have replaced their two centre-backs. Their season is about to start on Friday so they will be fit but unsure how match fit.

I think we can cause an upset by remaining compact, hitting on the break and generally disrupting.

[q-money]

the legend Shabab Hossain with an in depth look at Kashima: https://footballfinesseblog.wordpress.com/2019/02/17/newcastle-jets-acl-opponents-kashima-antlers-who-are-they-and-how-do-they-play/

give him a follow on the old twitterz: https://twitter.com/ShababHossain13

[mic22]

Streaming anyone?
Pleeeaaaseeee

[belchardo]

"surprise win over melbourne city" - you can really feel the love from speed and slater.

[Frodo]

Have we lost yet?

[&1gest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Erw9tv6Kvw

[The Dunster]

Have we lost yet?
Soon. They look a few levels above us.

[plague]

Moss is def gonna be responsible for at least one goal tonight.
bloke is sketchy.

[Jetmaster]

Well...they only had Smurfs and Victory players in the opening credits, so we know what Fux think.

[&1gest]

although now lost picture

[mic22]

Found one, thanks.
This is gonna be hard

[Frodo]

This looks like we have set up for a smash and grab. Hoping some individual brilliance will get us past their high press and we will defend for 90 minutes.

[boz-monaut]

Soon. They look a few levels above us.
they really do don't they

we may jag one, but they're in control here

[Frodo]

If this was a HAL game that's going in top corner. Wow.

[boz-monaut]

where did he learn to shoot like that?

top class save though

[belchardo]

where did he learn to shoot like that?

top class save though

got to do something to fill in 10 weeks.

good save moss.

kanta is all at sea, he's not sure if he is arthur or martha.

[Frodo]

Moss looks like he hasn't woken up from the flight yet.

[belchardo]

that was a very sexy backheel.

[mic22]

shit, that was lucky

[belchardo]

shit, that was lucky

he knew what he was doing.

[Frodo]

**** that back heel was so lucky. That's a terrible shot saved by a deflection. But, here comes a good old fashioned spanking me thinks. Kanta would be better just to push forward and leave Boogs and Topor alone.

[Frodo]

Dimi looks off again too. Can't make a 3 yard pass, doesn't know who to mark in transition.

[The Dunster]

Shit attempts to block the shot cost us that goal. Moss should never have had to make a save

[belchardo]

did somebody from newcastle cut speed or slater off on their last drive home?

[plague]

Have we lost yet?

yeah i think we're done here.

[Frodo]

Ronnie looks exactly the same as Dimi.

[The Hacker]

Yes

[mic22]

ronnyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[monz6]

Wow.

[belchardo]

we fooled kashima into thinking we were incompetent then! not sure how we scored there.

[Frodo]

yeah i think we're done here.

Hold up. Shitty deflections are so in right now.

[mic22]

that was lucky too lol

[Frodo]

Ronnie looks exactly the same as Dimi.

Either this is a shit post, or now Dimi is going to score. We will see just how stupid I am by the end.

[The Hacker]

Kanta is killing us

[Frodo]

At least Moss has woken up. Kanta looks terrified, move him back into midfield quickly.

(Edit. Speedy just said the exact same thing, so it's a stupid idea.)

[belchardo]

Kanta is killing us

god, yes. get him into the midfield. only problem is, how do you play with 3 DMs?

[belchardo]

oh jesus, that was terrible

[The Hacker]

Johnny jesus

[weston]

The whole defense is a shambles

[Frodo]

Duck me fead. Johnny K just went out of my good book.

[The Dunster]

Our marking is horrible

[Frodo]

god, yes. get him into the midfield. only problem is, how do you play with 3 DMs?

Ridenton gets freedom in attack and man marks their No 10 Abe.

[boz-monaut]

yep, we're done

should have just signed three fat blokes from the pub as defenders instead of this lot

[Frodo]

Worst thing now is Johnny will lose his head and turn to shit for the rest of the night. That will haunt him for a long time.

[The Dunster]

On recent form why wouldn't Cowburn get a start? HeZ's been brilliant

[The Hacker]

Did any of our players pack the long studs or just the ice skates

[Hunter403]

Jeez, Antlers are good to watch. Passing and crossing accuracy is excellent. Technically 2 classes above

[Frodo]

Jeez, Antlers are good to watch. Passing and crossing accuracy is excellent. Technically 2 classes above

Except for defensively. They just go for the ball every time. Once you beat a man you're in.

But you've got to get the ball first, and then beat the man. But there's still a weakness to exploit there.

[Hunter403]

On recent form why wouldn't Cowburn get a start? HeZ's been brilliant

Ernie has Plan A and he's not part of it.

[Hunter403]

Except for defensively. They just go for the ball every time. Once you beat a man you're in.

But you've got to get the ball first, and then beat the man. But there's still a weakness to exploit there.

Only seen the last 10 minutes and we've barely had the ball, so will accept what you say. Let's hope we can exploit them

[Frodo]

Only seen the last 10 minutes and we've barely had the ball, so will accept what you say. Let's hope we can exploit them

We are definitely lucky to only be 1 behind. But if you watch them defend they dive in and always go for the ball quickly. Compared to us who just watch them waltz past...

[Hunter403]

We are definitely lucky to only be 1 behind. But if you watch them defend they dive in and always go for the ball quickly. Compared to us who just watch them waltz past...

Or give it straight back to them...

[mic22]

We're not too bad defensively, considering the difference between the teams.
Boogaard is hacking left front and centre.
Johnny and kanta are lost.
Ridenton is doing very well

[The Dunster]

Uga is having a shocker. He's turning the ball over for no reason.

Ridenton and Cowburn combo works much better

[mic22]

Or give it straight back to them...

That's an old Jets' habit isn't it?
Clear the ball straight to the opposition's feet. I think it would make a real difference if we improved this.

[Beeen]

Ridenton and works shouldn't be in the same sentence.

[Frodo]

Uga is having a shocker. He's turning the ball over for no reason.

Ridenton and Cowburn combo works much better



Uga is working between 2 Kashima players at all times. He's doing ok considering and is doing well enough defensively as well.

[The Dunster]

Uga is working between 2 Kashima players at all times. He's doing ok considering and is doing well enough defensively as well.

Which is why he needs to find the extra man rather than **** about with the ball and lise posession.

[Jetmaster]

He needs Kanta next to him.

[Frodo]

He needs Kanta next to him.

This

[The Hacker]

At 2-1 I am happy to see Ernie come out all guns blazing change the formation and have a go at them. 5-1 is the same as 2-1 you still get knocked out but id rather see us try and score more than hoping we do which is what we are doing now with this formation

[Frodo]

Sheppard on for Dimi.
Kanta moved into midfield.
Ridenton moved to RM.
4-4-2. Take it to them hard.

[Couscous]

Geez they're good.

[Jetmaster]

Waiting for Spunking Speedy to call Abe the "Japanese Arzani".

[Couscous]

Abe seems better than every player in the A-League.

[belchardo]

Waiting for Spunking Speedy to call Abe the "Japanese Arzani".

:rof:

[The Hacker]

Abe seems better than every player in the A-League.

By a long way

[Frodo]

Dimi out here trying to make Johnny K feel better by somehow playing worse than him.

[The Hacker]

Dimi out here trying to make Johnny K feel better by somehow playing worse than him.

Ernie put Johnny out of his misery

[plague]

Waiting for Spunking Speedy to call Abe the "Japanese Arzani".

the sad part about it is that this Abe kid looks the business but mongs back here would have you think Arzani is on a similar level.

[belchardo]

i love japanese active support. just cracks me up to see how organised they are.

[mic22]

Kanta - Dimi out

[Frodo]

the sad part about it is that this Abe kid looks the business but mongs back here would have you think Arzani is on a similar level.

This is so effing true.

[Couscous]

With this unusual formation, I'm sometimes confused about whether I should be screaming at Kanta or Koutroumbis.

[plague]

Can someone contact Mr la Bazzle to remind you all that Deans is undefeated in Asian Champions League matches.

Merrick out.

[Couscous]

With this unusual formation, I'm sometimes confused about whether I should be screaming at Kanta or Koutroumbis.

Actually, it's clearly both.

[Couscous]

Ernie lost his job at Victory entirely over a shit ACL campaign.

[Hunter403]

Abe is making Johnny K look really bad. Not sure what Kanta and Dimi can use as an excuse.

We too slow going forward and like all Aussie teams, pass with SFA accuracy.

Let's get Japanese coaches out here for our kids and teach them this stuff

[The Dunster]

Get kanta the **** off the field Ernie. He's finished in this game.

[Couscous]

OMG, Koutroumbis has lost it. Every f~cking pass.

[belchardo]

Let's get Japanese coaches out here for our kids and teach them this stuff

i wonder about this everytime i watch a japanese team. surely the japanese method is far more appropriate/applicable for us than the dutch method.

[Frodo]

I like Johnny K, but he looks like he doesn't even deserve to be in the A league tonight. He looks like a kid who's found an A league shirt and just wandered onto the pitch. Too scared to tackle, too scared to pass, can't do anything about Abe. Kanta can improve for the rest of the game. I can see this game doing long term damage to Johnny's emotional well being. Poor bloke.

[belchardo]

roy! dammit, topor did it all for you!

[belchardo]

really? vargas off? is ernie the only one that can't see we need a formation change?

[Frodo]

Wtf? Dimi is absolutely honking and he subs Ronnie who's the only one who's been able to beat a player bar Ridenton once.

[mic22]

Why Vargas???

[Couscous]

Ernie is finished. Lost it.

[The Dunster]

Moss or Abe for man of the match.

[The Dunster]

Why Vargas???
Dimi has videos of Ernie

[The Hacker]

Why Vargas???

Better be a niggle only excuse you would accept

[Couscous]

It's as though our players are not as good as their players.

[The Dunster]

I like Johnny K, but he looks like he doesn't even deserve to be in the A league tonight. He looks like a kid who's found an A league shirt and just wandered onto the pitch. Too scared to tackle, too scared to pass, can't do anything about Abe. Kanta can improve for the rest of the game. I can see this game doing long term damage to Johnny's emotional well being. Poor bloke.

Blokes had cancer scare pretty sure this is insignificant in comparison

[The Hacker]

And the real Jets are back thanks captain clumsy

[belchardo]

classic boogs

[plague]

Let's get Japanese coaches out here for our kids and teach them this stuff

if you get a chance go read about Japans 100 year vision they implemented in the early 90's.
Its now almost 30 years in, and they are ticking a lot of the boxes they set out to do.


what they are doing is no easy fix, they dont have a 'golden generation' they demand, and are set up to make each generation better than the last.

do you think any of the self centered plonkers in Australian football would even have the intelligence to think up, let alone agree on, even a 100 DAY plan.

the australian culture isnt set up for visions like this in anything we do. we are like the americans and its all sugar hits. if youve been to Japan (and a lot of Asian countries) you'll understand what im talking about.

[The Dunster]

How the **** is that a penalty. Oh wait. It was boogs. Carry on.

[plague]

gotta say, Boogs has the "conceding penalty protest' down pat. the bloke has had plenty of practice mind, but still, he does a good job there.

[The Hacker]

Where is Sheppard

[The Dunster]

if you get a chance go read about Japans 100 year vision they implemented in the early 90's.
Its now almost 30 years in, and they are ticking a lot of the boxes they set out to do.


what they are doing is no easy fix, they dont have a 'golden generation' they demand, and are set up to make each generation better than the last.

do you think any of the self centered plonkers in Australian football would even have the intelligence to think up, let alone agree on, even a 100 DAY plan.

the australian culture isnt set up for visions like this in anything we do. we are like the americans and its all sugar hits. if youve been to Japan (and a lot of Asian countries) you'll understand what im talking about.

Pearl Harbour looked good on paper as well plague.

[The Dunster]

Uga off. Shep on

[Retro Jet]

if you get a chance go read about Japans 100 year vision they implemented in the early 90's.
Its now almost 30 years in, and they are ticking a lot of the boxes they set out to do.


what they are doing is no easy fix, they dont have a 'golden generation' they demand, and are set up to make each generation better than the last.

do you think any of the self centered plonkers in Australian football would even have the intelligence to think up, let alone agree on, even a 100 DAY plan.

the australian culture isnt set up for visions like this in anything we do. we are like the americans and its all sugar hits. if youve been to Japan (and a lot of Asian countries) you'll understand what im talking about.

Sounds like our politicians...

[Couscous]

That's it, I'm leaving the stadium.

[plague]

Pearl Harbour looked good on paper as well plague.

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[mic22]

I don't think Johnny is going to have Abe nightmares.
He hasn't seen him all night... he doesn't even know how he looks like.

[The Dunster]

Japan will never win a world cup.

[The Hacker]

The pace they close us down just no time on the ball

[Mark325]

We need to offload Dimi in the off season, he’s hardly had a good game all season

[Retro Jet]

Japan will never win a world cup.

Is Muz over there with his famous banner? :rof:

[The Dunster]

Nabbout in the crowd

[The Hacker]

Nabbout in the crowd

Give him a shirt

[mic22]

We need to offload Dimi in the off season, he’s hardly had a good game all season

If we lose him, it will be to another a-league team.
International offers are unlikely after tonight

[The Dunster]

Kashima keeper is down. Not injured just pissing himself laughing how bad we are

[mic22]

Offload Roy while we're at it.
Seems like he can't control himself

[The Hacker]

Kanta should be made to swim home for tonight's effort

[The Dunster]

Kanta **** up leads to a goal

[The Dunster]

Well i think we can safely close any threads about Jets players getting offers to play in Asia.

[The Hacker]

Vargas goes off and going forward we went to s$/t

[mic22]

Well that was a good football lesson for many of our players, especially the ones with international ambitions. Has to be put in perspective though: let's not forget 3 of their players earn more than our entire team. And that's because they are good.

[The Hacker]

Hope it doesn't deflate them for Sunday

[Beeen]

Can someone explain what Ridenton does for this team? What the **** does merrick see in this bloke?

[Jetmaster]

TBH I think we will see how much our local standard has dropped when we see SFC and Victory in action.

[Hunter403]

if you get a chance go read about Japans 100 year vision they implemented in the early 90's.
Its now almost 30 years in, and they are ticking a lot of the boxes they set out to do.


what they are doing is no easy fix, they dont have a 'golden generation' they demand, and are set up to make each generation better than the last.

do you think any of the self centered plonkers in Australian football would even have the intelligence to think up, let alone agree on, even a 100 DAY plan.

the australian culture isnt set up for visions like this in anything we do. we are like the americans and its all sugar hits. if youve been to Japan (and a lot of Asian countries) you'll understand what im talking about.

Agree 100%

[StannyCFCJET]

Merrick got formation tactics and subs wrong tonight

[The Dunster]

We had as much chance winning this as Kashima would against a big Euro club.

People need to be reasonable in their expectations.

Not happy with a few things sure but nothing could have been done to change the result.

Justice prevailed and Kashima won easily.

Referee tonight was a level above tonight as well. Thought he was great.

[380]

Dimi has not been worth two bob all season. Did not being selected by that Gypo Arnie mess with his head?, i don't know but nonetheless if he is one of our higher earners then his remuneration needs to be revisited. Honestly the bloke is riding on the plaudits of season 17/18 and noting from this season. Everything from his general and very predictable turn back and then inside taking 50 touches to his abysmal set pieces. Ernie keeps banging on about how is being double marked out of the game, Crap from Ernie Dimi has just become very predictable.

Johnny K and Kanta were horrible tonight. I get Johnny K has been through a lot however like last season he is terribly inconsistent and you just don't know what Johnny is going to turn up ie GF. Same can be said for Kanta which is really disappointing given his vast experience. If anything he should have been one of the rocks tonight but he was a dead set deer in the headlights and will be lucky to start our next game. In actual fact in his suit in the stands should be his speed for the next few weeks and provide Cowby with a greater opportunity.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Out of curiosity, would we have come up against whichever Japanese team did what Kashima did. Or was there random potential to play like a Korean or UAE or other nation team.

[380]

TBH I think we will see how much our local standard has dropped when we see SFC and Victory in action.

I think you are absolutely right and what we will see is just how bad the standard of the A League really is. Tis a league with too many average players running around in it making a living from it.

[Shots]

It’s believed that Vargas has injured his groin or leg.

[Frodo]

Meh, we all knew we we would lose the game. Hopefully the bad performances by some were just nerves at playing in Asia. Who are we losing to this weekend again?

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

We had as much chance winning this as Kashima would against a big Euro club.

People need to be reasonable in their expectations.

Not happy with a few things sure but nothing could have been done to change the result.

Justice prevailed and Kashima won easily.

Referee tonight was a level above tonight as well. Thought he was great.

This

[pv4]

the sad part about it is that this Abe kid looks the business but mongs back here would have you think Arzani is on a similar level.

Agreed, only mongs would rate Arzani that low.

[pv4]

Honestly surprised Ernie didn't put Georgie on the right to take on Abe. JohnnyK was getting it handed to him by the bloke all night. Whether Johnny got moved to the left or replaced by Vujica, I dunno, I figured Ernie would have addressed that issue earlier (slash at all).

[plague]

Man we do a good job of saying "wow these people are so much better than us" then go home and sit on our hands.

The past few years of ACL campaigns and the nation team should provoke an absolute outrage from football head honchos yet we all seem to be "well Arzani is injured and Arnold is a great man manager".

It really is pathetic sometimes how low we set our bar.............and still always seem unable to reach it.

[The Dunster]

Man we do a good job of saying "wow these people are so much better than us" then go home and sit on our hands.

The past few years of ACL campaigns and the nation team should provoke an absolute outrage from football head honchos yet we all seem to be "well Arzani is injured and Arnold is a great man manager".

It really is pathetic sometimes how low we set our bar.............and still always seem unable to reach it.

Don't even get me started on the state of Sumo Wrestling in Australia.

[MFKS]

Man we do a good job of saying "wow these people are so much better than us" then go home and sit on our hands.

The past few years of ACL campaigns and the nation team should provoke an absolute outrage from football head honchos yet we all seem to be "well Arzani is injured and Arnold is a great man manager".

It really is pathetic sometimes how low we set our bar.............and still always seem unable to reach it.


What is pertinent to look at is last night showed how many things that HAL and Aussie football are failing in that we can and should be fixing and that the HAL is actually failing us

Lets not just bury our heads in the sand and say the Japs have more money better players than us as that is naive

Lets look at some things that we can improve

Defending for a start. The standard of Aussie defending is not good enough period..Now what exact skill set do ypu need to be world standard at defendimg ?? Because you dont find it in the FFA curriculum of Keep Ball

This is an area that we can easily improve in drastically which would make us more competitve


Fitness condidering the Japs were in pre season and we well into ours the fitness levels between those sides are mot.good enough. Our blokes are full time pros sports science in Oz is world class. Why exactly are we not fitter than them or on par

Speed to the ball- The anticipation to the ball by the Japanese was chalk and cheese between us. They were 1 step quicker to the ball than us all night long. If it was about to be free their reaction to the opportunities was a second quicker than ours
This should not be the case

Pressing. The organisation and speed and discipline to pressing by the Japanese put us under the pump because under the Dutch Mango suckers we believe in keeping the ball at all costs but also refuse to dribble or play risky balls forward. This can be noticed by Dimi not having 400 touches a play last night as he didnt get the time on the ball. Contrast this with our defensive press and how little pressure we put them under.This is an area where we can improve out of sight in

Goal Keeping There is no reason in the world we cant have world class keepers
Bozza Schwarzer Gypo Ryan we can produce keepers that can be world class.The skill sets required aint the same required to e a Messi or CR7 or Griff. So why are we constantly seeing opponents in ACL Socceroos games with keepers who are bettwr than the sjit we have in the HAL

The HAL and FFA are letting us down drastically.

Another point is the AFC have a Europa League comp. Why the **** are Australian clubs not playing in it on top of the ACL??

[belchardo]

Another point is the AFC have a Europa League comp. Why the **** are Australian clubs not playing in it on top of the ACL??

on this, to be eligibilie for the AFC cup (which is what i assume you are talking about) the member association "must be ranked from 7 and below in the “West Asia” ranking or the “East Asia” ranking" (see section 5, criterion 1 http://www.the-afc.com/afc/documents/PdfFiles/entry-manual-afc-club-competitions-2017-2020-33728). I know we aren't amaze-balls in the standings, but we are defintely not outside the top 6 associations in east Asia.

[pv4]

Goal Keeping There is no reason in the world we cant have world class keepers
Bozza Schwarzer Gypo Ryan we can produce keepers that can be world class.The skill sets required aint the same required to e a Messi or CR7 or Griff. So why are we constantly seeing opponents in ACL Socceroos games with keepers who are bettwr than the sjit we have in the HAL

I respect where you were heading with your post but just want to point out you picked a poor game to use as an example to highlight poor keepers in the AL. Moss was amazing last night.

[pv4]

on this, to be eligibilie for the AFC cup (which is what i assume you are talking about) the member association "must be ranked from 7 and below in the “West Asia” ranking or the “East Asia” ranking" (see section 5, criterion 1 http://www.the-afc.com/afc/documents/PdfFiles/entry-manual-afc-club-competitions-2017-2020-33728). I know we aren't amaze-balls in the standings, but we are defintely not outside the top 6 associations in east Asia.

The AFC already hate us for having a non-AFC team in our comp. As well as no promotion/relegation. We should be thankful we get what we already have!

[MFKS]

I respect where you were heading with your post but just want to point out you picked a poor game to use as an example to highlight poor keepers in the AL. Moss was amazing last night.

I wouldnt say he had a great game at all

Cost us the 2nd goal with some piss poor keeping

He even got falsly credited by Speed for a save when Boogaard got his arse back on the line to parry a goal bound shot

Game goes for 90 mins and at the end of the day he and Boogaard made the 2 errors that sank us

[Couscous]

We may not qualify for this league for many years.

[furns]

I wouldnt say he had a great game at all

Cost us the 2nd goal with some piss poor keeping

He even got falsly credited by Speed for a save when Boogaard got his arse back on the line to parry a goal bound shot

Game goes for 90 mins and at the end of the day he and Boogaard made the 2 errors that sank us
Yeah, Moss wasnt the issue with the second goal. He watched the flight of the ball and moved forward, then saw he had Kanta and Johnny K in position to deal with the ball so he retreated back towards the goal with the expectation they would be sufficient to cover. Unfortunately we all saw what happened next.

[Bremsstrahlung]

We may not qualify for this league for many years.

Hey, you forgot to sign out of CousCous and into Captain Obvious.

[MFKS]

Yeah, Moss wasnt the issue with the second goal. He watched the flight of the ball and moved forward, then saw he had Kanta and Johnny K in position to deal with the ball so he retreated back towards the goal with the expectation they would be sufficient to cover. Unfortunately we all saw what happened next.

Disagree

It is a chipped ball at little speed floated to the back post and into the 6 yard box
This is the keepers ball in every professional league on the planet

Moss has issues on aerial balls and it is a weak point on his game

Yes Johnny K needs to move to the ball and Kanta could have got there too

Butthis ignores the blatantly obvious

If the keeper does his job there he takes that ball

I fully understand why the defenders leave it for someone else

It was never their ball to deal with and they did what they should do

[Jetmaster]

I have to agree with the Membah for once. As an ex keeper it was drilled into my head that any looping cross in the 6 yard box was mine...even if you took out your own defenders to get it.

[StannyCFCJET]

I have to agree with the Membah for once. As an ex keeper it was drilled into my head that any looping cross in the 6 yard box was mine...even if you took out your own defenders to get it.

No way Moss was getting to that maybe he couldve yelled a Johnny to wake the **** up

[Jeterpool]

Just a thought - why didn't we apply greater pressure on the player who delivered the cross??

[plague]

Johnny K was in the worst position to do anything about it. If he runs to the ball his only header is towards his own goal, plus he was 'always' gonna get out jumped by the man coming from behind.
His only saving grace would have been getting fouled by someone jumping over him.

The best options were Kanta and Moss who had a chance to run with the flight of the ball and their attacks on the ball would have gone away from goal at least.

Plus, keeper gonna get way more fouls called in his favour at the first sign of collision.

[MFKS]

I have to agree with the Membah for once. As an ex keeper it was drilled into my head that any looping cross in the 6 yard box was mine...even if you took out your own defenders to get it.

You go charging out there and get a fist on it if you cant catch it also

Bloke aint scoring at all if the keeper goes for it

Keeper gets touched goes to ground and protected species rule free kick

Forgetting the obvious with Moss being a Kiwi but why exactly are we Australian keepers so poor in the air dealing with crosses??

Being that 3 of our states specialise in a game where catching a ball above your head is mendatory in Tardball it doesnt make a lot of sense as to why we are so passive and indecisive at dealing with crosses

Moss aint the only one. Xan throw a blanket over HAL keepers and you will find that crosses trouble the **** out of them

[MFKS]

No way Moss was getting to that maybe he couldve yelled a Johnny to wake the **** up

But this is also an area where we need better

A quality keeper besides coming for the cross also has the authority to command his box and command of his defenders

The work by Kanta and Johnny K showed that there is **** all direction back there

Our defenders looked like the Scouse defenders would if Klopp put Karius in nets at Old Trafford this weekend

No trust at all

[Jetmaster]

No way Moss was getting to that maybe he couldve yelled a Johnny to wake the **** up

Peter Bonetti would have claimed it.....:wink:

[StannyCFCJET]

Peter Bonetti would have claimed it.....:wink:

As would've Ed De goey

[StannyCFCJET]

Peter Bonetti would have claimed it.....:wink:

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