2020 Premier Club SAP

[onlooker]

Just to clarify, my comments are just what I know from having a daughter playing in this team at HVF. So numbers were short this year for them and the 11 girls almost non existent bar the exception of 2 girls as far as IÂ’m aware. So the team is an 11 girls made up of mostly under 10s players.

Regardless of this I think northern should have had the foresight to look at the ages and drop the girls down into the 9s SAP competition.

HV I think need to also hold their hands up on this one, they have been well behind all other associations for 20 plus years and don’t seem to be doing all that much to change it. They have a TD that has never played the game and last year when my daughter was there 3quarters of the way through the season if you had asked the girls to point out who the TD was at least half the team couldn’t.. now at her new club the new TD is there every night and sharing equal time with all teams .


It wasn’t a good look at the trials for HV that at the end of it all parents where called in and where asked who would like to coach the teams this year.

[scowling]

I watched one game today that ended up being won by 8 or 9 goals.

The game wasnÂ’t completely dominated by any means but small sided football can be cruel in a 60 minute game.

You're right Aegon - our game had this kind of margin, and it was more down to the 60 minutes (even though the timekeepers tried to blow halftime after 20 mins :D) than any real domination.

Even though we won, I was disappointed in the way that we won - most of our goals came after our structure broke down and goals were scored like we were playing playground football. Not the game lesson we were going for.

At this stage - it might be our last game for the season, maybe one more .. before we all get shut down for social distancing.
It would be terribly sad for the kids to lose most/all of a season - especially given the improvement I've seen in them since January. But I'm pro-lockdown and pro-do it sooner rather than later. Even though it might mean my business goes belly up and my family is financially crippled.

Tough times lads. Everyone keep well, and stay safe. Football seems trivial at a time like this.

Steve

[Aegon]

You're right Aegon - our game had this kind of margin, and it was more down to the 60 minutes (even though the timekeepers tried to blow halftime after 20 mins :D) than any real domination.

Even though we won, I was disappointed in the way that we won - most of our goals came after our structure broke down and goals were scored like we were playing playground football. Not the game lesson we were going for.

At this stage - it might be our last game for the season, maybe one more .. before we all get shut down for social distancing.
It would be terribly sad for the kids to lose most/all of a season - especially given the improvement I've seen in them since January. But I'm pro-lockdown and pro-do it sooner rather than later. Even though it might mean my business goes belly up and my family is financially crippled.

Tough times lads. Everyone keep well, and stay safe. Football seems trivial at a time like this.

Steve

Steve, is it true that one of the older teams at your club won a game in a trial (or the first round) by almost 40 goals?

[Aegon]

It is definitely an ongoing issue. All the game leaders in SAP are volunteers, but it looks like there are different interpretations or at least ways in which the rules are being communicated through to the people leading the games.
The main inconsistencies seems to always be around the drop off rule & offsides. Also, one of the other things I hate seeing is the game leader coaching their team on the field.

The games I watched on the weekend didn't police the drop off, offside or blow fouls for bad tackles (For both teams).

[onlooker]

On a positive for the girls program in SAP.
U/12 Macquarie girls V U/12 Emerging Jets yesterday was a really good and entertaining game of football.. the jets did skip away to an early 4 goal lead and have some wonderful talent.
But once the respective/ fear ( whatever you want to call it) wore off, the Macquarie girls started to get stuck in and pulled a goal back before the half. Then kept the jets to nil in the second half whilst grabbing another goal themselves. Both keepers making excellent saves ( trying not to be biased as Macquarie keeper is my daughter but anyone who knows me will know I’m pretty honest with her on her performance’s).

But at then end of the day the standard of football both teams played was great and a real positive for the program and women’s football to know it’s working in a way and we should have some talented girls coming through in the years to come.

[sapdad]

At this stage - it might be our last game for the season, maybe one more .. before we all get shut down for social distancing.


has this been legitimately discussed at club or SAP level?our club hasnt been relayed anything like this and we've been getting forwarded lots of emails regarding the issue.

[sapdad]

The games I watched on the weekend didn't police the drop off, offside or blow fouls for bad tackles (For both teams).
we were out at the facility on the weekend and the refereeing is concerning.coaches yelling at poor kids in the middle trying to ref a game isnt great.let alone the lack of support from the refs coordinator.the poor young refs are getting thrown to the wolves a bit and its only 9,10 and 11.

[sapdad]

On a positive for the girls program in SAP.
U/12 Macquarie girls V U/12 Emerging Jets yesterday was a really good and entertaining game of football.. the jets did skip away to an early 4 goal lead and have some wonderful talent.
thats really good to hear.im a big fan of the jets kids as they play really good football and are well coached.in previous years the gap between them and the other girls teams in the program has been significant.to hear the other girls teams are now pushing them is great for the girls game overall.

[scowling]

Steve, is it true that one of the older teams at your club won a game in a trial (or the first round) by almost 40 goals?

I haven't hear scores, but I did hear that one of our teams results last week was very lopsided.

[scowling]

The games I watched on the weekend didn't police the drop off, offside or blow fouls for bad tackles (For both teams).

I have taken to ensuring I am very deliberately and loudly instructing my players to get back to the drop-off. Wink wink, nudge nudge

[scowling]

has this been legitimately discussed at club or SAP level?our club hasnt been relayed anything like this and we've been getting forwarded lots of emails regarding the issue.

Yes, our club has discussed it. I pushed for more instruction/clarity from Northern and above.
Current instructions are that if schools shut down, so do we.

Edit: I should clarify, The current instructions re. schools is from our club, not NNSWF / FFA

[Aegon]

On a positive for the girls program in SAP.
U/12 Macquarie girls V U/12 Emerging Jets yesterday was a really good and entertaining game of football.. the jets did skip away to an early 4 goal lead and have some wonderful talent.
But once the respective/ fear ( whatever you want to call it) wore off, the Macquarie girls started to get stuck in and pulled a goal back before the half. Then kept the jets to nil in the second half whilst grabbing another goal themselves. Both keepers making excellent saves ( trying not to be biased as Macquarie keeper is my daughter but anyone who knows me will know I’m pretty honest with her on her performance’s).

But at then end of the day the standard of football both teams played was great and a real positive for the program and women’s football to know it’s working in a way and we should have some talented girls coming through in the years to come.

Great to hear mate.

[Retired01]

On a positive for the girls program in SAP.
U/12 Macquarie girls V U/12 Emerging Jets yesterday was a really good and entertaining game of football.. the jets did skip away to an early 4 goal lead and have some wonderful talent.
But once the respective/ fear ( whatever you want to call it) wore off, the Macquarie girls started to get stuck in and pulled a goal back before the half. Then kept the jets to nil in the second half whilst grabbing another goal themselves. Both keepers making excellent saves ( trying not to be biased as Macquarie keeper is my daughter but anyone who knows me will know I’m pretty honest with her on her performance’s).

But at then end of the day the standard of football both teams played was great and a real positive for the program and women’s football to know it’s working in a way and we should have some talented girls coming through in the years to come.

I was also at the game and all the girls did amazingly well and I can see a big improvement in the teams over the off season. Watching the next games and chatting to our friends from lambton. The Hamilton 11s teams completely overran both Lambton and Lake Macquarie teams. Im not sure whether its frustrating as a competitor or a pleasure to watch but its the same 2 groups of boys are so far ahead of the rest again.
Considering the unrest and what was conceived as a strategic move to strengthen Jaffas the game wasn't even close and then speaking to my friend he felt the other Team who played lakes are even stronger.

Two amazing games 1 after the other and I can only support the program so far.

[sapdad]

I was also at the game and all the girls did amazingly well and I can see a big improvement in the teams over the off season. Watching the next games and chatting to our friends from lambton. The Hamilton 11s teams completely overran both Lambton and Lake Macquarie teams. Im not sure whether its frustrating as a competitor or a pleasure to watch but its the same 2 groups of boys are so far ahead of the rest again.
Considering the unrest and what was conceived as a strategic move to strengthen Jaffas the game wasn't even close and then speaking to my friend he felt the other Team who played lakes are even stronger.

Two amazing games 1 after the other and I can only support the program so far.
ive seen clubs play those teams close (and some have won games) but the kids you are describing i think have the best mix of physical aspect and individual skills.some other clubs ive watched are every bit as skilled, but lack the physical side.others have the physical game to match but not as skilled.hopefully over time the other teams can combine both aspects of their game.you only have to look at Olympics NPL youth teams to know their SAP kids are on a good program with good coaching and structure.there should be no shame in other clubs adapting some of their methods.

[cobra23]

Watched Edgy v Magic 9s 2day and saw a big gap between teams. Edgy real good. Didn’t see the ovver game but heard it was a bit closer.

Never stayed for 10s but got told magic put 20+ on one of the girls teams. That yr boys John S?

If true that ain’t no good for any1. Ain’t blaming magic kids but Northern got to sort that out. People on here already talking about cricket scores in matches last week to. Not a good look for Northern.

The other u9s game was actually a good game to watch , with Chris Berlin's magic side getting up on Mick Hannah's edgy side 7-6 ,

the u10s team that beat the girls team was Tom Donnelly's magic team , which was close to 40 - 0 (felt very sorry for the girls)

[Reds Forever]

NNSWF decision to make girls teams only play down 1 age group is a terrible decision. Last year they struggled against the NPL based SAP teams when playing 2 years down. Fared better against the League One clubs.

Jets Girls teams are only expected to play down 1 age and they have pick of the best girls. You now expect Newcastle, Mac and HV to play 1 down after losing their best girls to Jets.

Quicker WPL clubs are made to run SAP will be better for all involved.

[Aegon]

NNSWF decision to make girls teams only play down 1 age group is a terrible decision. Last year they struggled against the NPL based SAP teams when playing 2 years down. Fared better against the League One clubs.

Jets Girls teams are only expected to play down 1 age and they have pick of the best girls. You now expect Newcastle, Mac and HV to play 1 down after losing their best girls to Jets.

Quicker WPL clubs are made to run SAP will be better for all involved.

I didn't realise that NNSWF had changed the ages the girls played in.
You are 100% right the girls playing 2 years down were being outmatched by most teams. Diluting the squads and then forcing them to play only 1 year down is a terrible decision.

I watched our boys in their 1st trial match this year vs the emerging jets girls after very few training sessions outclass them quite easily. It's going to be a long year for the Newcastle, Macquarie and HV girls.

Terrible call IMO.

[Alan]

Hi all, my name is Alan and while I am not a coach I am involved in administering the SAP program at one of the clubs in the city. I'd prefer not to say which one as our club has a social media policy which asks club officials not to speak on in forums such as this, so I will say that all views on here are my own. I also have a son playing in U11 SAP, a daughter hoping to play in SAP next year, a niece playing in the emerging Jets SAP, and a nephew in U9 SAP. So, SAP takes up a lot of my time!

I only heard about this forum on Saturday while at Edgy to see my niece play, and yes I saw some of the 40-0 game talked about above. It was not great to see, but from the short time I watched the Broadmeadow boys were not just shooting from all angles and the girls never gave up. Both teams can take something from that.

The emerging Jets girls and Newcastle SAP girls played Saturday, and they are in the U9 SAP. Both teams are raw but each have girls who have played SAP before and you can see that. I would say the Hunter Valley girls would be much better suited to U9 age group. This is my third year watching SAP and I can tells ya a years experience makes a MEGA difference. If this is the first year for the HV and they are playing in U10 it will be super tough for them. Chances are any good players in the team will also be snapped up by the Jets or other girls SAP teams at the end of the season as well, so U11 next year would not be for them.

I don't know how it all works on here but below are some thoughts I have about SAP and wanted to hear thoughts. Please tell me if this is not how you do things on here!

1. If your team has an ambitious coach, players and the team will develop. If you have a reluctant or short-term coach your team will struggle. Coaching is very time consuming - even at this level - and my son is lucky to have a coach going through his licences - he may already be B licensed. I know boys in other teams who are not so lucky and they don't fair well long term.

2. If you are looking at SAP for a child in the future, do your research and speak to the clubs about their plans. Knowing the coaches and knowing if the coaches are in it for the long-haul is VERY important. I know at least one club which has its SAP coaches lined up for 2021 already. Clubs can make good money from SAP, but only a few clubs will provide great coaching.

3. If you are a coach, speak to clubs and understand if their ambitious match yours. Its easy to stay with a club that you have coached Miniroos with, or have some connections with, but that might not be the best decision for you or your child, assuming your child is playing SAP too. Even the bigger clubs in the city have their flaws. Be deliberate in your decisions now, as it is not a good look for administrators and committees to see a coach who jumped from club to club.

4. I see a lot of kids playing in SAP who are too young. I get parents want their kids in SAP early to get better coaching, but IMHO clubs should look at limiting the numbers of kids playing outside their age group in SAP. The club I am involved is very strict on only allowing correct-aged kids to play SAP. I believe (but was outvoted) that some exceptions should be made for exceptionally talented kids, but there are not too many of these. There are too many U8 kids playing in U9 SAP and it shows. Parents should realise there is no rush. Most clubs will happily take your money and little your 7 year old play SAP, but ask if its best for them. Miniroos teams at U8 can be graded, so that might be just as good an option as SAP for young talented players.

5. NNSWF really are trying their best. They don't always get things right with SAP, but I do believe they have the best interests of young footballers at their heart.

Sorry for the ramble - just wanted to throw out some discussion points. Just my opinions though - don't hang the DJ if you don't like the song! I look forward to interacting with you all.

A

[sapdad]

Sorry for the ramble - just wanted to throw out some discussion points. Just my opinions though - don't hang the DJ if you don't like the song! I look forward to interacting with you all.

A
Totally agree on pretty much everything you said here Alan and agree that this thread is better served when talking about the program as a whole.the age limits are tough as unless it is a NNSW mandated rule then another club is going to snap up the young kids wanting to get in early if they are good enough.also agree the overwhelming majority on here and in the program are doing their best.cant see how it wont provide more kids of a higher standard for 13's and up, which eventually will filter through to the highest levels.

[Aegon]

Am I the only one that thinks the draw could have been split in 2 from the start.

Let clubs that run A & B squads nominate it to northern and place them in the A draw or B draw based on that.

What I mean:
A Comp
Magic, Olympic, Jaffas, Jets Girls,

Allocated according to team strengths (A/B squads or club nominations)
Charlestown, New Lambton, Valo, Edgy, Lake Mac, Maitland, Weston

B Comp
HV, Macquarie & HV girls, Wallsend, Sth Cardiff, West Wallsend, Adamstown, Singleton, Cooks Hill

In the 10's even for a casual observer it isn't that hard.

A's (14)
Magic x 2
Olympic x 2
Jaffas x 2
Jets Girls x 1
Charlestown x 2
Edgeworth x 1
Lake Mac x 1
Maitland x 1
New Lambton x 1
Valentine x 1

B's (16)
Girls x 3
Cardiff x 1
Wallsend x 2
Singleton x 1
Weston x 2
Adamstown x 2
Edgeworth x 1
Lake Mac x 1
Maitland x 1
New Lambton x 1
Valentine x 1

This would give the majority of teams evenly balanced games each week and would hopefully avoid what I think are going to be regular lopsided games. Better for the kids at both ends in terms of development.

[Aegon]

Hi all, my name is Alan and while I am not a coach I am involved in administering the SAP program at one of the clubs in the city. I'd prefer not to say which one as our club has a social media policy which asks club officials not to speak on in forums such as this, so I will say that all views on here are my own. I also have a son playing in U11 SAP, a daughter hoping to play in SAP next year, a niece playing in the emerging Jets SAP, and a nephew in U9 SAP. So, SAP takes up a lot of my time!

I only heard about this forum on Saturday while at Edgy to see my niece play, and yes I saw some of the 40-0 game talked about above. It was not great to see, but from the short time I watched the Broadmeadow boys were not just shooting from all angles and the girls never gave up. Both teams can take something from that.

The emerging Jets girls and Newcastle SAP girls played Saturday, and they are in the U9 SAP. Both teams are raw but each have girls who have played SAP before and you can see that. I would say the Hunter Valley girls would be much better suited to U9 age group. This is my third year watching SAP and I can tells ya a years experience makes a MEGA difference. If this is the first year for the HV and they are playing in U10 it will be super tough for them. Chances are any good players in the team will also be snapped up by the Jets or other girls SAP teams at the end of the season as well, so U11 next year would not be for them.

I don't know how it all works on here but below are some thoughts I have about SAP and wanted to hear thoughts. Please tell me if this is not how you do things on here!

1. If your team has an ambitious coach, players and the team will develop. If you have a reluctant or short-term coach your team will struggle. Coaching is very time consuming - even at this level - and my son is lucky to have a coach going through his licences - he may already be B licensed. I know boys in other teams who are not so lucky and they don't fair well long term.

2. If you are looking at SAP for a child in the future, do your research and speak to the clubs about their plans. Knowing the coaches and knowing if the coaches are in it for the long-haul is VERY important. I know at least one club which has its SAP coaches lined up for 2021 already. Clubs can make good money from SAP, but only a few clubs will provide great coaching.

3. If you are a coach, speak to clubs and understand if their ambitious match yours. Its easy to stay with a club that you have coached Miniroos with, or have some connections with, but that might not be the best decision for you or your child, assuming your child is playing SAP too. Even the bigger clubs in the city have their flaws. Be deliberate in your decisions now, as it is not a good look for administrators and committees to see a coach who jumped from club to club.

4. I see a lot of kids playing in SAP who are too young. I get parents want their kids in SAP early to get better coaching, but IMHO clubs should look at limiting the numbers of kids playing outside their age group in SAP. The club I am involved is very strict on only allowing correct-aged kids to play SAP. I believe (but was outvoted) that some exceptions should be made for exceptionally talented kids, but there are not too many of these. There are too many U8 kids playing in U9 SAP and it shows. Parents should realise there is no rush. Most clubs will happily take your money and little your 7 year old play SAP, but ask if its best for them. Miniroos teams at U8 can be graded, so that might be just as good an option as SAP for young talented players.

5. NNSWF really are trying their best. They don't always get things right with SAP, but I do believe they have the best interests of young footballers at their heart.

Sorry for the ramble - just wanted to throw out some discussion points. Just my opinions though - don't hang the DJ if you don't like the song! I look forward to interacting with you all.

A

Welcome Alan, and thanks for volunteering your time to help out with your club. It's a big commitment for anyone to step up and assist and often goes very unappreciated. Kudos to you.

[scowling]

Hi all, my name is Alan and while I am not a coach I am involved in administering the SAP program at one of the clubs in the city. I'd prefer not to say which one as our club has a social media policy which asks club officials not to speak on in forums such as this, so I will say that all views on here are my own. I also have a son playing in U11 SAP, a daughter hoping to play in SAP next year, a niece playing in the emerging Jets SAP, and a nephew in U9 SAP. So, SAP takes up a lot of my time!

I only heard about this forum on Saturday while at Edgy to see my niece play, and yes I saw some of the 40-0 game talked about above. It was not great to see, but from the short time I watched the Broadmeadow boys were not just shooting from all angles and the girls never gave up. Both teams can take something from that.

The emerging Jets girls and Newcastle SAP girls played Saturday, and they are in the U9 SAP. Both teams are raw but each have girls who have played SAP before and you can see that. I would say the Hunter Valley girls would be much better suited to U9 age group. This is my third year watching SAP and I can tells ya a years experience makes a MEGA difference. If this is the first year for the HV and they are playing in U10 it will be super tough for them. Chances are any good players in the team will also be snapped up by the Jets or other girls SAP teams at the end of the season as well, so U11 next year would not be for them.

I don't know how it all works on here but below are some thoughts I have about SAP and wanted to hear thoughts. Please tell me if this is not how you do things on here!

1. If your team has an ambitious coach, players and the team will develop. If you have a reluctant or short-term coach your team will struggle. Coaching is very time consuming - even at this level - and my son is lucky to have a coach going through his licences - he may already be B licensed. I know boys in other teams who are not so lucky and they don't fair well long term.

2. If you are looking at SAP for a child in the future, do your research and speak to the clubs about their plans. Knowing the coaches and knowing if the coaches are in it for the long-haul is VERY important. I know at least one club which has its SAP coaches lined up for 2021 already. Clubs can make good money from SAP, but only a few clubs will provide great coaching.

3. If you are a coach, speak to clubs and understand if their ambitious match yours. Its easy to stay with a club that you have coached Miniroos with, or have some connections with, but that might not be the best decision for you or your child, assuming your child is playing SAP too. Even the bigger clubs in the city have their flaws. Be deliberate in your decisions now, as it is not a good look for administrators and committees to see a coach who jumped from club to club.

4. I see a lot of kids playing in SAP who are too young. I get parents want their kids in SAP early to get better coaching, but IMHO clubs should look at limiting the numbers of kids playing outside their age group in SAP. The club I am involved is very strict on only allowing correct-aged kids to play SAP. I believe (but was outvoted) that some exceptions should be made for exceptionally talented kids, but there are not too many of these. There are too many U8 kids playing in U9 SAP and it shows. Parents should realise there is no rush. Most clubs will happily take your money and little your 7 year old play SAP, but ask if its best for them. Miniroos teams at U8 can be graded, so that might be just as good an option as SAP for young talented players.

5. NNSWF really are trying their best. They don't always get things right with SAP, but I do believe they have the best interests of young footballers at their heart.

Sorry for the ramble - just wanted to throw out some discussion points. Just my opinions though - don't hang the DJ if you don't like the song! I look forward to interacting with you all.

A

Welcome Alan - I feel like I've started something by using my real name :D

You've already added value to the forum with the above post, let's hope you can stick around.
I fell into the SAP coaching gig but am loving it - and agree it takes a lot of time.

My son's ID training/trial-match tonight was called off citing COVID-19 concerns - so it has begun.

[Alan]

Am I the only one that thinks the draw could have been split in 2 from the start.

Let clubs that run A & B squads nominate it to northern and place them in the A draw or B draw based on that.

What I mean:
A Comp
Magic, Olympic, Jaffas, Jets Girls,

Allocated according to team strengths (A/B squads or club nominations)
Charlestown, New Lambton, Valo, Edgy, Lake Mac, Maitland, Weston

B Comp
HV, Macquarie & HV girls, Wallsend, Sth Cardiff, West Wallsend, Adamstown, Singleton, Cooks Hill

In the 10's even for a casual observer it isn't that hard.

A's (14)
Magic x 2
Olympic x 2
Jaffas x 2
Jets Girls x 1
Charlestown x 2
Edgeworth x 1
Lake Mac x 1
Maitland x 1
New Lambton x 1
Valentine x 1

B's (16)
Girls x 3
Cardiff x 1
Wallsend x 2
Singleton x 1
Weston x 2
Adamstown x 2
Edgeworth x 1
Lake Mac x 1
Maitland x 1
New Lambton x 1
Valentine x 1

This would give the majority of teams evenly balanced games each week and would hopefully avoid what I think are going to be regular lopsided games. Better for the kids at both ends in terms of development.

I can’t comment on U10 teams but what you say has merit. The process of grading teams is fairly straightforward once a club knows their players in say 10/11s. More difficult in U9 but certainly easy enough once clubs have had time with their players.

[Alan]

Welcome Alan - I feel like I've started something by using my real name :D

You've already added value to the forum with the above post, let's hope you can stick around.
I fell into the SAP coaching gig but am loving it - and agree it takes a lot of time.

My son's ID training/trial-match tonight was called off citing COVID-19 concerns - so it has begun.

Oh dear. Times they are a changing!

[scowling]

Oh dear. Times they are a changing!

So that's it then. I'd be very VERY surprised if we are playing any football in April.
I support the FFAs decision on this, but that doesn't make it any easier to tell the kids.

Good luck everyone, stay well, stay safe.

[sapdad]

So that's it then. I'd be very VERY surprised if we are playing any football in April.
I support the FFAs decision on this, but that doesn't make it any easier to tell the kids.

Good luck everyone, stay well, stay safe.
our kids got told last night too.they were ok with it and im kind of ok with NNSW decision.id be shocked if we dont get back on by the 26th April (next scheduled game) as this whole quarantine thing becomes more and more disregarded.i feel that every sport is waiting for the other to just say "we are going back" then everyone will jump on the bandwagon.without wanting to get into a bigger discussion on the virus itself if we havent made a dent in 4 weeks off then 8-10 or 20 weeks off isnt going to make it any better.just ban anyone over the age of 70 from attending training and games.

[sapdad]

just ban anyone over the age of 70 from attending training and games.
Just to be clear id like this rule in place with or without the virus old people are generally the worst loudmouths at games.

[scowling]

our kids got told last night too.they were ok with it and im kind of ok with NNSW decision.id be shocked if we dont get back on by the 26th April (next scheduled game) as this whole quarantine thing becomes more and more disregarded.i feel that every sport is waiting for the other to just say "we are going back" then everyone will jump on the bandwagon.without wanting to get into a bigger discussion on the virus itself if we havent made a dent in 4 weeks off then 8-10 or 20 weeks off isnt going to make it any better.just ban anyone over the age of 70 from attending training and games.


sapdad - your comment scares me.

For Australians to look at what is happening right now around the world and not take this thing seriously for as long as it takes is something that I just cannot comprehend. None of the major sporting codes are going to open themselves up to massive litigation by re-starting seasons before it is safe to do so.

I think the 4 weeks timeframe is just the start - they needed to suspend and my feelings are that the season will eventually be cancelled completely.

And putting aside your comment about loud-mouthed 70 year olds - I hope Australia recognises that it is not JUST 70 year olds that are dying

I hope your comments are not indicative of the public thinking at large

[sapdad]

sapdad - your comment scares me.

For Australians to look at what is happening right now around the world and not take this thing seriously for as long as it takes is something that I just cannot comprehend. None of the major sporting codes are going to open themselves up to massive litigation by re-starting seasons before it is safe to do so.

I think the 4 weeks timeframe is just the start - they needed to suspend and my feelings are that the season will eventually be cancelled completely.

And putting aside your comment about loud-mouthed 70 year olds - I hope Australia recognises that it is not JUST 70 year olds that are dying

I hope your comments are not indicative of the public thinking at large

as i said im not interested in having the full philosophical discussion but there are varying degrees of taking it seriously.im happy to listen to the experts and am comfortable if they say my son will be ok then ill let him play.very much in the same way i am comfortable letting him continue going to school.im also fine if parents want to keep their kids away longer.no amount of measures will guarantee everyones safety.and whether you like it or not just like the pro sports codes money will play a factor in NNSW decision.

[Aegon]

sapdad - your comment scares me.

For Australians to look at what is happening right now around the world and not take this thing seriously for as long as it takes is something that I just cannot comprehend. None of the major sporting codes are going to open themselves up to massive litigation by re-starting seasons before it is safe to do so.

I think the 4 weeks timeframe is just the start - they needed to suspend and my feelings are that the season will eventually be cancelled completely.

And putting aside your comment about loud-mouthed 70 year olds - I hope Australia recognises that it is not JUST 70 year olds that are dying

I hope your comments are not indicative of the public thinking at large

I think a lot of people have a very similar opinion, including myself, however if anyone wants to discuss this on the forum it should move here:
https://www.newcastlefootball.net/forum/showthread.php?168-The-Politics-Religion-Conspiracies-Deathmatch-Thread

[cobra23]

Just to be clear id like this rule in place with or without the virus old people are generally the worst loudmouths at games.

:ban:

[sapdad]

:ban:

guess ive got a bit of work to do to understand how this place works.apologies to any and all old people on here i dont hate you unless you yell at me.

[THEBIGCHEESE]

Sapdad.

I was looking to you for guidance as you seem to have all the answers. I thought you would have come with something constructive to help us all through this rather than hanging 70 year old out to dry.

I would have suggested sending video links of ball mastery videos to players for them to practice, juggling competition with rules ie have to juggle the ball 10 times left and right foot and try and land the ball in a washing basket/wheelie bin, dribbling practice in the back garden and trying to learn the scissors/ronaldo chop etc maybe they could video these and send them to a group chat showing you or even better you could demonstrate then send to the players then award point for the best trainer.

There is still a place in this world for isolated practice, this is where a player can perfect a skill at their own time away from the group without being embarrassed if they make a mistake. and the next 4 weeks I would suggest that players use the time to practice, practice and more practice.

But I am not a genius

[sapdad]

oh wow im really bad at this bad humour thing.all im saying is that if the experts say go back im happy to let my kid go back.if the experts say stay home then he'll stay home.it would be interesting to see how many teams wont be able to help themselves and accidently all turn up at the same park at the same time and have a kickaround.all im getting at is that northern said 4 weeks for a reason so im happy to sit and wait.

[Doopche]

Calm down over excited Sap dads, next you’ll be fighting over toilet rolls. Nothing wrong with 70yr olds having their say as they probably know more about the game than we do.
1st we take their toilet rolls and food off the shelves and now you want to muzzle them as well, nice guy you are.

[Doopche]

On a football note, this might give NNSW some time to re shuffle the draw as I seen some very lopsided games over last 2 weeks. You could easily make 2 pools of group A and B with the 10s and 11s sap kids as we have seen them, the 9s we don’t know very well atm so maybe the 2nd half of the season for them to be grouped.
Why can’t you even pool the 2 teams from same club together if numbers are low and they play one another, now they would make for some good viewing at a few clubs. Just a thought anyway. Good day all

[Aegon]

On a football note, this might give NNSW some time to re shuffle the draw as I seen some very lopsided games over last 2 weeks. You could easily make 2 pools of group A and B with the 10s and 11s sap kids as we have seen them, the 9s we don’t know very well atm so maybe the 2nd half of the season for them to be grouped.
Why can’t you even pool the 2 teams from same club together if numbers are low and they play one another, now they would make for some good viewing at a few clubs. Just a thought anyway. Good day all

I think 2 valentine teams in the 9's or 10's already played each other.

[The Magician]

the u10s team that beat the girls team was Tom Donnelly's magic team , which was close to 40 - 0 (felt very sorry for the girls)

46-0 Actually... Should have been 47, one hit the cross bar and bounced down.

[Doopche]

I think 2 valentine teams in the 9's or 10's already played each other.

You sure that was part of comp and not just a trial because of the wet weather last week?

[Aegon]

You sure that was part of comp and not just a trial because of the wet weather last week?

https://websites.sportstg.com/comp_info.cgi?a=ROUND&round=1&client=0-8304-0-***103-0&pool=1

had to look it up... it was the 9's in round 1.

[Goatscheese]

46-0 Actually... Should have been 47, one hit the cross bar and bounced down.

Surely once you are over 10 you tell the boys to play 2 touch max or everyone has to touch the ball before you can score or even remove a player. Maybe he did all those things and the score still got out of hand but if it is easy for the players give them a challenge while limiting the embarrassment for the other team.

[The Magician]

Surely once you are over 10 you tell the boys to play 2 touch max or everyone has to touch the ball before you can score or even remove a player. Maybe he did all those things and the score still got out of hand but if it is easy for the players give them a challenge while limiting the embarrassment for the other team.

One touch football after winning it...
Everyone must touch it twice before shooting...
only shooter allowed in opposition half...
Can only shoot with the back of the heel...
once you score you become the goal keeper...
proceeding goal keeper must run around parents car 3 times before entering field of play...

[Doopche]

One touch football after winning it...
Everyone must touch it twice before shooting...
only shooter allowed in opposition half...
Can only shoot with the back of the heel...
once you score you become the goal keeper...
proceeding goal keeper must run around parents car 3 times before entering field of play...

Haha we have a joker, not sure 2 touch would change too much and imagine taking a player off for scoring too many goals whilst parents are forking out $1000 plus rego fees.
As a dad I wouldn’t be happy to pay that and have my son taken off because NNSW can’t organise a draw. Pretty sure the other magic team won by a big score also so should they take players off also as they are versing boys?

[Alan]

Haha we have a joker, not sure 2 touch would change too much and imagine taking a player off for scoring too many goals whilst parents are forking out $1000 plus rego fees.
As a dad I wouldn’t be happy to pay that and have my son taken off because NNSW can’t organise a draw. Pretty sure the other magic team won by a big score also so should they take players off also as they are versing boys?

Yes, the issue here is clearly NNSWF’s failing with the draw. I have no doubt the draw was done with best intentions, but it sounds like there is a clear divide between some teams and others in U10 and NNSWF should have recognised this. Not wanting to defend NNSWF all the time but I believe all draws were done with the idea that each team starts with a clean slate and in hope the weaker teams would have got stronger. Predictably, this has not happened and it is likely they’ll be many more games with blow out scores.

Of course, NNSWF will need to adjust the draw going forward when the season re-starts (I’m a born optimist!) so things can change. I’d encourage parents, clubs, coaches to lobby NNSWF and cite these games as reasons for change. NNSWF are not unreasonable and we have extraordinary times which may allow for changes. As with everything, if enough people tell you something is wrong and you can evidence your view, chances are things can change.

[The Magician]

Yes, the issue here is clearly NNSWFÂ’s failing with the draw. I have no doubt the draw was done with best intentions, but it sounds like there is a clear divide between some teams and others in U10 and NNSWF should have recognised this. Not wanting to defend NNSWF all the time but I believe all draws were done with the idea that each team starts with a clean slate and in hope the weaker teams would have got stronger. Predictably, this has not happened and it is likely theyÂ’ll be many more games with blow out scores.

Of course, NNSWF will need to adjust the draw going forward when the season re-starts (IÂ’m a born optimist!) so things can change. IÂ’d encourage parents, clubs, coaches to lobby NNSWF and cite these games as reasons for change. NNSWF are not unreasonable and we have extraordinary times which may allow for changes. As with everything, if enough people tell you something is wrong and you can evidence your view, chances are things can change.

The draw is spot on... all teams must have the right to play each-other at least once, if this wasn't the case all the Social Justice Warriors would come out of the proverbial bushes claiming that Club X had an amazing U8's team in community and why shouldn't they be allowed to play against Magic or whoever in the SAP. ... it's today's society, if you discriminate against participation A Current Affair aint too far behind. But you can't have it both ways, participate then expect mercy because there is a big gulf in ability. Draw is only done for round 1 then will be separated, but someone must be keeping scores?

Totally Agree... if it was streamed before a ball was kicked by NNSWF who makes that call, how, is objectivity maintained? Players drop out, move teams, players move to Newcastle from Sydney and interstate...

If a team played against my team that was that much better than mine i would expect them to be ruthless. Otherwise, my kids would not know the gulf in focus and ability of kids that are better, and be able to strive and pressure their own comfort zone for their own development. Be honest with your kids stop making excuses for them... its not unlucky, not bad reffing, not poor facilities, not corona virus.... just... not good enough...

[BS detecor]

The draw is spot on... all teams must have the right to play each-other at least once, if this wasn't the case all the Social Justice Warriors would come out of the proverbial bushes claiming that Club X had an amazing U8's team in community and why shouldn't they be allowed to play against Magic or whoever in the SAP. ... it's today's society, if you discriminate against participation A Current Affair aint too far behind. But you can't have it both ways, participate then expect mercy because there is a big gulf in ability. Draw is only done for round 1 then will be separated, but someone must be keeping scores?

Totally Agree... if it was streamed before a ball was kicked by NNSWF who makes that call, how, is objectivity maintained? Players drop out, move teams, players move to Newcastle from Sydney and interstate...

If a team played against my team that was that much better than mine i would expect them to be ruthless. Otherwise, my kids would not know the gulf in focus and ability of kids that are better, and be able to strive and pressure their own comfort zone for their own development. Be honest with your kids stop making excuses for them... its not unlucky, not bad reffing, not poor facilities, not corona virus.... just... not good enough...


And after they wipe the floor with the opposition a little “we kicked em in the balls and we kicked em in the head” just to show them who’s boss

[Yaa Yaa]

The draw is spot on... all teams must have the right to play each-other at least once, if this wasn't the case all the Social Justice Warriors would come out of the proverbial bushes claiming that Club X had an amazing U8's team in community and why shouldn't they be allowed to play against Magic or whoever in the SAP. ... it's today's society, if you discriminate against participation A Current Affair aint too far behind. But you can't have it both ways, participate then expect mercy because there is a big gulf in ability. Draw is only done for round 1 then will be separated, but someone must be keeping scores?

Totally Agree... if it was streamed before a ball was kicked by NNSWF who makes that call, how, is objectivity maintained? Players drop out, move teams, players move to Newcastle from Sydney and interstate...

If a team played against my team that was that much better than mine i would expect them to be ruthless. Otherwise, my kids would not know the gulf in focus and ability of kids that are better, and be able to strive and pressure their own comfort zone for their own development. Be honest with your kids stop making excuses for them... its not unlucky, not bad reffing, not poor facilities, not corona virus.... just... not good enough...

WhoÂ’s the new dude trying to rattle some cages? See a few coaches jumping on the forum which is refreshing, but I better see my way out before one recognises me and benches my kid hehe ✌️

[Aegon]

The draw is spot on... all teams must have the right to play each-other at least once, if this wasn't the case all the Social Justice Warriors would come out of the proverbial bushes claiming that Club X had an amazing U8's team in community and why shouldn't they be allowed to play against Magic or whoever in the SAP. ... it's today's society, if you discriminate against participation A Current Affair aint too far behind. But you can't have it both ways, participate then expect mercy because there is a big gulf in ability. Draw is only done for round 1 then will be separated, but someone must be keeping scores?

Totally Agree... if it was streamed before a ball was kicked by NNSWF who makes that call, how, is objectivity maintained? Players drop out, move teams, players move to Newcastle from Sydney and interstate...

If a team played against my team that was that much better than mine i would expect them to be ruthless. Otherwise, my kids would not know the gulf in focus and ability of kids that are better, and be able to strive and pressure their own comfort zone for their own development. Be honest with your kids stop making excuses for them... its not unlucky, not bad reffing, not poor facilities, not corona virus.... just... not good enough...

Do you honestly think it is good for your own kids development to be winning by huge scores regularly? He and his teammates are not going to learn essential skills and the determination to fight for a win. What happens if he/she ends up in a team that starts losing, do they lose interest or become demoralized?

I detailed in an earlier post how easy I think it would have been to split the draw for the 10's. The 11's would be just as simple.
The 9's would be more of a challenge but it definitely isn't impossible.

After watching my son and his team put 10 or so goals past one of the teams I think is in in the top half of the draw I am not looking forward at all to seeing the games against some of the weaker teams they are scheduled to play.

[The Dunster]

The kids need to travel and play teams from Sydney and Melbourne to get an idea of where they are. Probably need to run some kind of a cup competition alongside the SAP / graded one so kids get to play against different opposition as well - like the FFA cup does so the minnows get a shot at the elite / kids with the cashed up parents. Even just a statewide cup would be ok for starters from u9's and up.

[Aegon]

The kids need to travel and play teams from Sydney and Melbourne to get an idea of where they are. Probably need to run some kind of a cup competition alongside the SAP / graded one so kids get to play against different opposition as well - like the FFA cup does so the minnows get a shot at the elite / kids with the cashed up parents. Even just a statewide cup would be ok for starters from u9's and up.

I know some of the SAP teams have trialed against NET teams an age group up and also against some of the Sydney SAP teams in their age groups.
The NET teams which are basically a selective community team in the Newcastle comp have struggled against the SAP teams.

When it comes to the Sydney teams its all a bit hit and miss. Some of the lower NPL clubs in Sydney have been quite weak comparatively whilst some of the NPL1 SAP teams have been very strong.

Unfortunately the organised tournaments that existed in the Zone SAP system don't appear to exist under the new club format, which I think is a real shame.

[John S]

Watched Edgy v Magic 9s 2day and saw a big gap between teams. Edgy real good. DidnÂ’t see the ovver game but heard it was a bit closer.

Never stayed for 10s but got told magic put 20+ on one of the girls teams. That yr boys John S?

If true that ainÂ’t no good for any1. AinÂ’t blaming magic kids but Northern got to sort that out. People on here already talking about cricket scores in matches last week to. Not a good look for Northern.

No not my boys, we played the Edgy boys that day and other side played the HV girls. Some have mentioned about grouping the better sides and I’d be behind that idea just like the old days even in community where they had A-B-C grade.
I get there isn’t as many teams but can definitely do an A and B comp similar to back end of last season. As a coach it can be uncomfortable when your side is putting on a big score and yes I’ve gone to 2 touch and moved kids around but they are young and they aren’t going to stop scoring because they love it, it may slow them down a tad or make it worse lol. It’s not ideal for either side but or for the parents watching.
Some coaches may also take offence to it if you withdraw a player or go to one touch as I’ve seen happen. I mean if you yell out “ok boys let’s go one touch” out loud at speers point and the other coach and parents hear that they might say, oh who does he think he is rubbing it in now playing one touch.
People offend easy these days.
Anyway if nnsw wanted to have a meeting (via Skype/Facetime of course) on grouping the sides IÂ’m sure all the coaches would be available for input and most would be honest on where they would like their kids grouped.
But atm any football would be great hahaha wonder if nnsw have plans to extend the season because as we know there’s no catch up games for SAP.
Keep practicing in backyards for now kids.

[Alan]

The draw is spot on... all teams must have the right to play each-other at least once, if this wasn't the case all the Social Justice Warriors would come out of the proverbial bushes claiming that Club X had an amazing U8's team in community and why shouldn't they be allowed to play against Magic or whoever in the SAP. ... it's today's society, if you discriminate against participation A Current Affair aint too far behind. But you can't have it both ways, participate then expect mercy because there is a big gulf in ability. Draw is only done for round 1 then will be separated, but someone must be keeping scores?

Totally Agree... if it was streamed before a ball was kicked by NNSWF who makes that call, how, is objectivity maintained? Players drop out, move teams, players move to Newcastle from Sydney and interstate...

If a team played against my team that was that much better than mine i would expect them to be ruthless. Otherwise, my kids would not know the gulf in focus and ability of kids that are better, and be able to strive and pressure their own comfort zone for their own development. Be honest with your kids stop making excuses for them... its not unlucky, not bad reffing, not poor facilities, not corona virus.... just... not good enough...

Yes NNSWF do keep scores and thats why they split the draw halfway through last season. But NNSWF would be well aware of the better teams in U10 and U11 already, and with some discussion with clubs could very easily devise a more competitive draw. I think everyone wants good competition, but that "good competition" means different things to different people. For most it probably means being competitive as a minimum.

I would like to see the best vs best in the first half of the draw, and then promotion/relegation (couldn't find a better term to describe it!) for a few teams for the second half of the season, maybe the top/bottom four teams. That would allow the strongest of the weaker teams the chance to play better teams in the second part of the season, and give those weaker teams in the initial stronger draw the chance to play teams more their level in the second. NNSWF could manage a ladder (not for public viewing) which helps manage this. I have done this sort of thing many times when running gala days - it is relatively straightforward.

I agree it is much more difficult with U9. But asking clubs to be realistic will help. If clubs say their team is A grade, but they get beaten heavily every week then parents at that club would lose trust and may take their kids away. Clubs want to keep as many players as they can because that generates the money to keep them afloat, so being upfront with parents is key. Clubs can offer development, nurture, family-club vs NPL aspirations. Parents know what they want for their kids and a club being honest about they goals helps a lot.

[Alan]

The kids need to travel and play teams from Sydney and Melbourne to get an idea of where they are. Probably need to run some kind of a cup competition alongside the SAP / graded one so kids get to play against different opposition as well - like the FFA cup does so the minnows get a shot at the elite / kids with the cashed up parents. Even just a statewide cup would be ok for starters from u9's and up.

I agree with this. Football NSW run a SAP gala day for U10 and U11 clubs in the wider Sydney region and it is a gap in the NNSWF calendar. I would like to see NNSWF send the top teams from SAP here to those galas to test our kids out. As I said earlier, they do keep scores and should have a private ladder, so could send their best to these Sydney comps for exposure. I am sure QLD and VIC have galas too. Clubs need to be more proactive in lobbying for their teams to play in interstate comps. NNSWF will only look after their selected kids - we as clubs need to push them more so we can be included as well.

[Alan]

No not my boys, we played the Edgy boys that day and other side played the HV girls. Some have mentioned about grouping the better sides and I’d be behind that idea just like the old days even in community where they had A-B-C grade.
I get there isn’t as many teams but can definitely do an A and B comp similar to back end of last season. As a coach it can be uncomfortable when your side is putting on a big score and yes I’ve gone to 2 touch and moved kids around but they are young and they aren’t going to stop scoring because they love it, it may slow them down a tad or make it worse lol. It’s not ideal for either side but or for the parents watching.
Some coaches may also take offence to it if you withdraw a player or go to one touch as I’ve seen happen. I mean if you yell out “ok boys let’s go one touch” out loud at speers point and the other coach and parents hear that they might say, oh who does he think he is rubbing it in now playing one touch.
People offend easy these days.
Anyway if nnsw wanted to have a meeting (via Skype/Facetime of course) on grouping the sides IÂ’m sure all the coaches would be available for input and most would be honest on where they would like their kids grouped.
But atm any football would be great hahaha wonder if nnsw have plans to extend the season because as we know there’s no catch up games for SAP.
Keep practicing in backyards for now kids.

Great idea - I'd like to see more regular direct contact between NNSWF and club coaches. John - are you aware of the Coaches Advisory Committee? We need strong voices on this committee who want the best for the game. Please consider putting in for it or tell your fellow coaches about it as this is an opportunity for coaches to give direct feedback to the NNSWF Board.

[Eastwest]

If we get past this virus thing theyll grade the teams in Rd2. We might have the rest of the season cancelled yet.

As for playing in galas with Sydney teams that seems to be a no brainer. The stronger teams need to be challenged and beaten to learn.

A points table is bad idea, that just becomes a hero meter for some coaches and parents and somehow more so at these early ages. By 15/16s the parents, coaches and players mostly know where they stand amongst their peers.

[Alan]

If we get past this virus thing theyll grade the teams in Rd2. We might have the rest of the season cancelled yet.

As for playing in galas with Sydney teams that seems to be a no brainer. The stronger teams need to be challenged and beaten to learn.

A points table is bad idea, that just becomes a hero meter for some coaches and parents and somehow more so at these early ages. By 15/16s the parents, coaches and players mostly know where they stand amongst their peers.

Oh don't get me wrong, I am not advocating for a public points table, only an internal one within NNSWF. This would help them grade the teams, decide on who to promote/demote at the mid-point of the season, and could be used as justification for sending certain teams to Sydney or interstate galas or comps. It's just an idea!

There is always criticism of NNSWF but rarely solutions put forward. This seems to be a good place to air some ideas, and perhaps we/clubs could feed them back into NNSWF? I've always found them approachable, but ideas rarely get any traction. I'd love a forum like this - or preferably a more formal inter-club forum - to be able to raise ideas/questions to the federation on matters of interest. Some kind of youth football community reference group.

Does anyone know if one of these has ever been set up?

[Goatscheese]

Haha we have a joker, not sure 2 touch would change too much and imagine taking a player off for scoring too many goals whilst parents are forking out $1000 plus rego fees.
As a dad I wouldn’t be happy to pay that and have my son taken off because NNSW can’t organise a draw. Pretty sure the other magic team won by a big score also so should they take players off also as they are versing boys?

Dependent on how many players there are in the team a coach should be having their stronger players off the field for longer against the weak teams and keep them on for longer against the stronger teams.

As a dad I'd be happy for my son to sit out half a game every 8 weeks if we were smashing every team because it would help to improve my son (and the other players) when on the field being forced to play a player down. Won't learn much by beating teams by 40 goals every week.

[Goatscheese]

The NET teams which are basically a selective community team in the Newcastle comp have struggled against the SAP teams.

Most of those NET teams should be coming out of the SAP system as well. No other U12 comp currently.

[Goatscheese]

I agree with this. Football NSW run a SAP gala day for U10 and U11 clubs in the wider Sydney region and it is a gap in the NNSWF calendar. I would like to see NNSWF send the top teams from SAP here to those galas to test our kids out. As I said earlier, they do keep scores and should have a private ladder, so could send their best to these Sydney comps for exposure. I am sure QLD and VIC have galas too. Clubs need to be more proactive in lobbying for their teams to play in interstate comps. NNSWF will only look after their selected kids - we as clubs need to push them more so we can be included as well.

Northern should have a gala day, would be a good way to get an idea of who the strong teams are before the season starts and get the draw right from Round 1

Once they get that third pitch up and running, no reason why they can't have 6 fields going at once and do this. Would make some extra money too.

[Onehunglow]

Dependent on how many players there are in the team a coach should be having their stronger players off the field for longer against the weak teams and keep them on for longer against the stronger teams.

As a dad I'd be happy for my son to sit out half a game every 8 weeks if we were smashing every team because it would help to improve my son (and the other players) when on the field being forced to play a player down. Won't learn much by beating teams by 40 goals every week.

I'd suggest the weaker team is able to add players rather than the stronger team take them off.
It's unfair to withdraw a footballer from the field and reduce their game time because his team is superior.

[Goatscheese]

I'd suggest the weaker team is able to add players rather than the stronger team take them off.
It's unfair to withdraw a footballer from the field and reduce their game time because his team is superior.

Meh it is half an hour every 8-9 weeks. But I can agree with you but that requires a change to the rules. A coach doesn't need to wait for Northern to change the rules to help improve his players by dropping the numbers down by one for 20 minutes.

[Onehunglow]

Meh it is half an hour every 8-9 weeks. But I can agree with you but that requires a change to the rules. A coach doesn't need to wait for Northern to change the rules to help improve his players by dropping the numbers down by one for 20 minutes.

Fair enough. Will be interested to see how the season pans out.

[Doopche]

Dependent on how many players there are in the team a coach should be having their stronger players off the field for longer against the weak teams and keep them on for longer against the stronger teams.

As a dad I'd be happy for my son to sit out half a game every 8 weeks if we were smashing every team because it would help to improve my son (and the other players) when on the field being forced to play a player down. Won't learn much by beating teams by 40 goals every week.

Oh ok great idea.what happened to the it’s about development? You start leaving the better players on in stronger games just shows you’re only after the win. I’m fine with that but NNSW have come out and said results don’t matter and it’s about developing so if a coach starts keeping the better kids on he will most likely be called out for it by others. I know the coaches at our club give every kid the same game time no matter the ability each week. In my opinion it challenges the coach more if he gives them all the same amount of game time. When they get to 13s npl then play the better boys but up until that age you should be giving them all the same amount of time no matter the opponent if it’s just about developing and not results.
Personally I’d like it to go back to the old way of tables and results from under 10s, I feel like we are falling behind the rest of the world in football, just look at our youth teams.we are too nice and setting them up to fail because everyone gets a trophy.

[Goatscheese]

Oh ok great idea.what happened to the it’s about development? You start leaving the better players on in stronger games just shows you’re only after the win. I’m fine with that but NNSW have come out and said results don’t matter and it’s about developing so if a coach starts keeping the better kids on he will most likely be called out for it by others.

Everything I have said is all about development and not about winning.



I know the coaches at our club give every kid the same game time no matter the ability each week. In my opinion it challenges the coach more if he gives them all the same amount of game time.

I prefer equal time over the season rather than equal time every game. Depending on the number of kids equal time every game means more changes and less time working with other players and solid development. Now we have changed to 60 min games and have two on the bench I change two players every 15 mins, it means some kids will play an entire game but they won't over the next two games while kids who may see bench time for two games will see an entire game later on. Still same amount of game time over the season as equal game time every game but it leads to better development on their own skill and on working with players around them.

My TD asks me how the team went, what was the score and who scored. I can only answer the first one, I don't keep records of scores or scorers it is of little interest to me in SAP since there is no table or points to be won. The kids know but I don't even ask them I focus on how they played and if they did what we worked on during the week.



When they get to 13s npl then play the better boys but up until that age you should be giving them all the same amount of time no matter the opponent if it’s just about developing and not results.

They do but what I said allows for development, giving the weaker players on your team more game time against weaker opponents gives them more touches on the ball and allows them to do what they have learnt so far, having them on against a strong team just sees them chasing all the time. Keeping the stronger players on against stronger teams may see them with some less touches but not only gives them that challenge but will mean they have to work harder to keep the ball. The weaker players aren't at that level so keeping them on for just as long means they don't learn anything and neither will the other team as they just run rings around these weak players and aren't challenged.

[finzee]

Personally I’d like it to go back to the old way of tables and results from under 10s, I feel like we are falling behind the rest of the world in football, just look at our youth teams.we are too nice and setting them up to fail because everyone gets a trophy.

No you wouldnt. I and or others could set a strong, quick physical team to kick you off the park. Have a basic passing game and add some longer ball to get a trophy. There'd be some mess on all sides.

At the moment I like the combination of technical skills 1st fitness 2nd. Maybe toughen the lads up during 13's preseason

[Goatscheese]

No you wouldnt. I and or others could set a strong, quick physical team to kick you off the park. Have a basic passing game and add some longer ball to get a trophy. There'd be some mess on all sides.

At the moment I like the combination of technical skills 1st fitness 2nd. Maybe toughen the lads up during 13's preseason

Why did you make quote me as saying this? Doopche said it.

[finzee]

Why did you make quote me as saying this? Doopche said it.

Ay? :wink:

And yeah agree about playing weaker and stronger for slightly different game time.

[Doopche]

No you wouldnt. I and or others could set a strong, quick physical team to kick you off the park. Have a basic passing game and add some longer ball to get a trophy. There'd be some mess on all sides.

At the moment I like the combination of technical skills 1st fitness 2nd. Maybe toughen the lads up during 13's preseason

I remember my 1st beer, I rambled on a bit too 🤦🏻*♂️

[Doopche]

Everything I have said is all about development and not about winning.




I prefer equal time over the season rather than equal time every game. Depending on the number of kids equal time every game means more changes and less time working with other players and solid development. Now we have changed to 60 min games and have two on the bench I change two players every 15 mins, it means some kids will play an entire game but they won't over the next two games while kids who may see bench time for two games will see an entire game later on. Still same amount of game time over the season as equal game time every game but it leads to better development on their own skill and on working with players around them.

My TD asks me how the team went, what was the score and who scored. I can only answer the first one, I don't keep records of scores or scorers it is of little interest to me in SAP since there is no table or points to be won. The kids know but I don't even ask them I focus on how they played and if they did what we worked on during the week.




They do but what I said allows for development, giving the weaker players on your team more game time against weaker opponents gives them more touches on the ball and allows them to do what they have learnt so far, having them on against a strong team just sees them chasing all the time. Keeping the stronger players on against stronger teams may see them with some less touches but not only gives them that challenge but will mean they have to work harder to keep the ball. The weaker players aren't at that level so keeping them on for just as long means they don't learn anything and neither will the other team as they just run rings around these weak players and aren't challenged.

I think you need to work on your so called weaker players. If they don’t get to play vs the better kids they won’t improve either just playing vs the bad ones. Every kid has something to offer otherwise why did you select them for sap? As the coach you need to find that strength and the “I don’t know score” comment is very hard to believe, you all know the scores don’t worry about that, if you’re getting a flogging you’ll know the score pretty quick. You can’t help but know the score unless you’re bad at math. I know we all try make out we don’t know the scores but we do, but you keep telling yourself that. Development comes with winning, I’ve noticed a few clubs even doing re trials and chasing better players. Why bother doing that if you’re only about development and not winning? Just keep developing the ones you have?

[Goatscheese]

I think you need to work on your so called weaker players. If they donÂ’t get to play vs the better kids they wonÂ’t improve either just playing vs the bad ones.

As I said no point having the weaker players play more time against players that are so good they won't touch the ball, it's better to have them play more time against teams where they will touch the ball. You're pretty much saying that if an U18 NNSWF NPL team plays against an EPL U18 team they will improve from it, they won't, they will just get smashed and won't learn anything.


and the “I don’t know score” comment is very hard to believe, you all know the scores don’t worry about that, if you’re getting a flogging you’ll know the score pretty quick. You can’t help but know the score unless you’re bad at math. I know we all try make out we don’t know the scores but we do, but you keep telling yourself that. Development comes with winning

I know if we won or lost, but I don't keep count if it is a blowout either way I forget.


IÂ’ve noticed a few clubs even doing re trials and chasing better players. Why bother doing that if youÂ’re only about development and not winning? Just keep developing the ones you have?

You'll have to ask those clubs that

Also your posts are very shit, can you break up your thoughts rather than just present a rambling wall of text.

[finzee]

I remember my 1st beer, I rambled on a bit too ����*♂️

oh, your one of those fruitcakes. sorry i wasted that common sense post on you.

Ill ignore the trolling from now on. my mistake

[Doopche]

As I said no point having the weaker players play more time against players that are so good they won't touch the ball, it's better to have them play more time against teams where they will touch the ball. You're pretty much saying that if an U18 NNSWF NPL team plays against an EPL U18 team they will improve from it, they won't, they will just get smashed and won't learn anything.



I know if we won or lost, but I don't keep count if it is a blowout either way I forget.



You'll have to ask those clubs that

Also your posts are very shit, can you break up your thoughts rather than just present a rambling wall of text.

Sorry I’m not here to write novels like you and reply to every sentence.

[Doopche]

oh, your one of those fruitcakes. sorry i wasted that common sense post on you.

Ill ignore the trolling from now on. my mistake

Try reading your comments back to yourself and see if they make sense before posting, that would be much appreciated.

[Goatscheese]

Sorry I’m not here to write novels like you and reply to every sentence.

Then why have you been?

[YewYew]

Yes NNSWF do keep scores and thats why they split the draw halfway through last season. But NNSWF would be well aware of the better teams in U10 and U11 already, and with some discussion with clubs could very easily devise a more competitive draw. I think everyone wants good competition, but that "good competition" means different things to different people. For most it probably means being competitive as a minimum.

I would like to see the best vs best in the first half of the draw, and then promotion/relegation (couldn't find a better term to describe it!) for a few teams for the second half of the season, maybe the top/bottom four teams. That would allow the strongest of the weaker teams the chance to play better teams in the second part of the season, and give those weaker teams in the initial stronger draw the chance to play teams more their level in the second. NNSWF could manage a ladder (not for public viewing) which helps manage this. I have done this sort of thing many times when running gala days - it is relatively straightforward.

I agree it is much more difficult with U9. But asking clubs to be realistic will help. If clubs say their team is A grade, but they get beaten heavily every week then parents at that club would lose trust and may take their kids away. Clubs want to keep as many players as they can because that generates the money to keep them afloat, so being upfront with parents is key. Clubs can offer development, nurture, family-club vs NPL aspirations. Parents know what they want for their kids and a club being honest about they goals helps a lot.

Northern f@cked up but wud never admit it. Newcastle football and Macquarie grade comps in community from this age but Northern cant? They just don’t want 2 grade as it might meen clubs don’t put 2 teams in. Less money for northern. Less money 4 clubs to. Both to blame.

[YewYew]

The draw is spot on... all teams must have the right to play each-other at least once, if this wasn't the case all the Social Justice Warriors would come out of the proverbial bushes claiming that Club X had an amazing U8's team in community and why shouldn't they be allowed to play against Magic or whoever in the SAP. ... it's today's society, if you discriminate against participation A Current Affair aint too far behind. But you can't have it both ways, participate then expect mercy because there is a big gulf in ability. Draw is only done for round 1 then will be separated, but someone must be keeping scores?

Totally Agree... if it was streamed before a ball was kicked by NNSWF who makes that call, how, is objectivity maintained? Players drop out, move teams, players move to Newcastle from Sydney and interstate...

If a team played against my team that was that much better than mine i would expect them to be ruthless. Otherwise, my kids would not know the gulf in focus and ability of kids that are better, and be able to strive and pressure their own comfort zone for their own development. Be honest with your kids stop making excuses for them... its not unlucky, not bad reffing, not poor facilities, not corona virus.... just... not good enough...

LOL. Draw spot on?!? You been smoking that good stuff bro! 🤣

Ruthless coach = kids who hate soccer. U don’t want ur team getting smashed every week cos they ain’t learning anything. If u a coach u get the kids u get - I ain’t guaranteed 10 Messi. Northern gotta split that draw or grade teams or the hole thing gonna turn to sh@t. It aint Rocket science

[Goatscheese]

It aint Rocket science

Apparently spelling and grammar is.

[YewYew]

Apparently spelling and grammar is.

U a big man Goatcheese. U don’t no me. I lived on the streets at 12 yrs, been working solid since then, 35 yrs man & boy. Didn’t get no education & now just working for my family. This ain’t no sob story but u don’t no sh1t & I bet u yr last dollar u would not say sh1t 2 my face. Keep it 2 soccer bro.

[Goatscheese]

U a big man Goatcheese. U don’t no me. I lived on the streets at 12 yrs, been working solid since then, 35 yrs man & boy. Didn’t get no education & now just working for my family. This ain’t no sob story but u don’t no sh1t & I bet u yr last dollar u would not say sh1t 2 my face. Keep it 2 soccer bro.

No one asked for your life story.

At least we know that you're as thick as a plank when you spout your ignorant opinions on here.

[Aegon]

No one asked for your life story.

At least we know that you're as thick as a plank when you spout your ignorant opinions on here.

I think YewYew had it right when he said keep it to soccer.

Lets move on......

[YewYew]

No one asked for your life story.

At least we know that you're as thick as a plank when you spout your ignorant opinions on here.

U wanna no my story? I’m a ****ing millionaire. No education but worked hard made my money & got out. I don’t need to answer to muppets like u. U wanna talk to me face 2 face ask around Argenton. Bill’s the name. Easy to find. ****.

[YewYew]

I think YewYew had it right when he said keep it to soccer.

Lets move on......

Sorry buddy - don’t mean to shit all over yr forum. Best I don’t post no more b4 I say something I regret.

[sapdad]

Our club (via NNSW) says no football until 31st May.But they are aiming to run the season through into summer to give the kids maximum amount of games possible.i think thats a good idea and have no problem with them playing in summer obviously the heat factor is an issue.hopefully they utilise daylight savings and play night games and if they need to cram everything in why not midweek fixtures the kids are training anyway substitute games instead it shouldnt matter too much.

[Johnno]

Our club (via NNSW) says no football until 31st May.But they are aiming to run the season through into summer to give the kids maximum amount of games possible.i think thats a good idea and have no problem with them playing in summer obviously the heat factor is an issue.hopefully they utilise daylight savings and play night games and if they need to cram everything in why not midweek fixtures the kids are training anyway substitute games instead it shouldnt matter too much.

Will now be 1st July at the earliest with the new stay at home laws in place for 90 days minimum.

[Goatscheese]

Will now be 1st July at the earliest with the new stay at home laws in place for 90 days minimum.

Going to be longer than that, they are still talking about 6 month haul.


And who knew Argenton was millionaires row.

[Alan]

As I said no point having the weaker players play more time against players that are so good they won't touch the ball, it's better to have them play more time against teams where they will touch the ball. You're pretty much saying that if an U18 NNSWF NPL team plays against an EPL U18 team they will improve from it, they won't, they will just get smashed and won't learn anything.



I know if we won or lost, but I don't keep count if it is a blowout either way I forget.



You'll have to ask those clubs that

Also your posts are very shit, can you break up your thoughts rather than just present a rambling wall of text.


Hi guys. Sorry I've been off here for a while - unsurprisingly the whole COVID-19 plague has got in the way a bit.

I thought this debate about playing time and weaker/stronger players was really good - very interesting to hear different coaches approaches. It got a bit spoiled at the end with the petty insults - which seems to be a theme on this message board unfortunately!! - but the points made were valuable.

I personally would lean towards playing stronger players versus stronger players and using the "easier" games to give the weaker players more game time. I take Doopche's point about working on the weaker players though - but I think the place for this is probably on the training ground and not against players more advanced at this stage. But I suspect all approaches talked about have pluses and minuses - I think it is great you guys think so deeply about it. The key is to have guys like you coaching them with passion and instilling a love for the game. Keep it up!

What have the different clubs been doing during the COVID lockdown? I know coaches at our club have been sending out some drills for the children to try. Have clubs been developing individual plans for the players? I guess it would be quite hard at this age to give individual plans, but I'd love to hear how different clubs are approaching it.

Stay safe!

A

[Goatscheese]

What have the different clubs been doing during the COVID lockdown? I know coaches at our club have been sending out some drills for the children to try. Have clubs been developing individual plans for the players? I guess it would be quite hard at this age to give individual plans, but I'd love to hear how different clubs are approaching it.

Our TD sent out individual things for our players to do both a SAP one and a Youth one. It's nothing major just a couple different exercises each week, he did it for the initial four weeks that we were going to be off but he said he plans to send another one out to cover till the end of May. No idea how many of the players are doing it, know a couple are but hopefully most are, if we do come back we probably won't have too many weeks to get ready.

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Will now be 1st July at the earliest with the new stay at home laws in place for 90 days minimum.

I find it really strange that the FFA/Northern have still set a 'return date' before those 90 days would be up.

[Alan]

Our TD sent out individual things for our players to do both a SAP one and a Youth one. It's nothing major just a couple different exercises each week, he did it for the initial four weeks that we were going to be off but he said he plans to send another one out to cover till the end of May. No idea how many of the players are doing it, know a couple are but hopefully most are, if we do come back we probably won't have too many weeks to get ready.

I think the TDs at our club have been finding which content to send quite difficult. The drills on the Northern website are quite limited, and the Federation ones also. There are thousands of You Tube videos out there but most are tricks and flicks and not much substance.

I think the hope at ours is that this is like an extended summer break and having the children kicking a ball at all is good. We all hope that the season can extend into summer and then will roll straight into next season. If that happens the kids could be pretty sharp for season 2021!!

A

[sapdad]

Our club has sent through a bunch of basic drills.they have been a good break from school work so my son is getting some work in.im not all that stressed about not keeping in tip top shape as majority of kids once they get back on the park will get up to speed pretty quickly.one silver lining is it has emphasised how much my son loves football and his SAP team.hes been looking at the draw on weekends to see who they would have been playing.sadly this is the part of the draw where they were due to play all their best opponents so hes really bummed out they didnt get that shot.hopefully all the kids understand when they get back how privileged they are that they get to play football on the weekends in such a good environment.they will be back eventually and hopefully get a good run through the later months of the year.

[Alan]

The National cabinet have today agreed to a set of principles for sport and recreation, which is the news many in community and youth football have been waiting for. I would anticipate Northern moving fairly quickly to re-establish kids football. It will obviously look very different - to start at least - but I think kids will back on the paddock kicking a ball with teammates within a month.

A

[Aegon]

Received a communication from the club today.

NNSWF has sent draft draws out to the clubs for SAP, Youth and NPL with feedback required by next week.

Intention to start games back up in July and play as much of the season as possible which are likely to go until late October.

Games will be played in accordance with social distancing protocols.

Training is hoped to restart soon once updates have been received from the NSW govt.

Good signs all around.

[Alan]

Received a communication from the club today.

NNSWF has sent draft draws out to the clubs for SAP, Youth and NPL with feedback required by next week.

Intention to start games back up in July and play as much of the season as possible which are likely to go until late October.

Games will be played in accordance with social distancing protocols.

Training is hoped to restart soon once updates have been received from the NSW govt.

Good signs all around.

Hi Aegon,

Our club have sent a very different message to our parents, essentially repeating the advise from Northern that until given the all clear by the Office of Sport all football activity remains suspended.

What are other clubs saying?

A

[BS detecor]

Hi Aegon,

Our club have sent a very different message to our parents, essentially repeating the advise from Northern that until given the all clear by the Office of Sport all football activity remains suspended.

What are other clubs saying?

A

That is in fact the plan but I’m surprised a club would pass the information on before it’s even remotely official. The advice you got is the situation as it stands

[sapdad]

That is in fact the plan but I’m surprised a club would pass the information on before it’s even remotely official. The advice you got is the situation as it stands

Our club sent us similar information.We were told that nothing is official but if everything goes to plan they will restart games early July.It just gave parents some notice to prepare weekends i guess.Our club was also very forthright on the conditions that will come with restarting and us as parents need to take it very seriously or it could all go backwards very quickly.I appreciated the communication from the club as it gives the kids have something to look forward to very soon and parents are on notice not to screw it up.

[Aegon]

That is in fact the plan but I’m surprised a club would pass the information on before it’s even remotely official. The advice you got is the situation as it stands

The club was clear that it is at this stage the plan - All pending NSW govt decisions.

I really appreciate that the club are being clear with the communication from the outset rather than keeping players/parents in the dark.

[Alan]

Our club sent us similar information.We were told that nothing is official but if everything goes to plan they will restart games early July.It just gave parents some notice to prepare weekends i guess.Our club was also very forthright on the conditions that will come with restarting and us as parents need to take it very seriously or it could all go backwards very quickly.I appreciated the communication from the club as it gives the kids have something to look forward to very soon and parents are on notice not to screw it up.

Hi sapdad,

I am all for giving updates and telling parents what the club knows, but I personally would hesitate on providing too much information as things can change quickly. Raising hopes and then having to dash them is probably worse than keeping people in the dark for the time being IMHO.

With that said I am optimistic that we will receive some positive news very soon. Northern released a statement yesterday asking clubs to hold fire, but my guess is we will receive further guidance by the weekend. Positive thoughts guys! :thumbsup:

A

[sapdad]

Hi sapdad,

I am all for giving updates and telling parents what the club knows, but I personally would hesitate on providing too much information as things can change quickly. Raising hopes and then having to dash them is probably worse than keeping people in the dark for the time being IMHO.

With that said I am optimistic that we will receive some positive news very soon. Northern released a statement yesterday asking clubs to hold fire, but my guess is we will receive further guidance by the weekend. Positive thoughts guys! :thumbsup:

A

I can totally understand both sides of this discussion.my bet is that the clubs are probably sick of getting a million phone calls from frustrated parents wondering where their expensive rego has gone and if they'll be seeing anything for it.as most have mentioned all communication has been very clear that nothing is official and that it can all go wrong especially if parents/clubs/kids dont abide by the strict conditions.im confident of an early july kickoff.im not as confident that the following 4 months will be incident free.

[Aegon]

Hi sapdad,

I am all for giving updates and telling parents what the club knows, but I personally would hesitate on providing too much information as things can change quickly. Raising hopes and then having to dash them is probably worse than keeping people in the dark for the time being IMHO.

With that said I am optimistic that we will receive some positive news very soon. Northern released a statement yesterday asking clubs to hold fire, but my guess is we will receive further guidance by the weekend. Positive thoughts guys! :thumbsup:

A

I definitely don’t agree with that. Nothing annoys me more than not being informed in a timely manner.

My sons club have made a lot of effort consulting with parents regularly to find out if they are passing on too much communications or not enough and they are doing their best to let people know what is being discussed, even while being clear that nothing is final yet.

Much appreciated by myself & I know other parents at other clubs are annoyed they aren’t being told anything.

[Alan]

I definitely don’t agree with that. Nothing annoys me more than not being informed in a timely manner.

My sons club have made a lot of effort consulting with parents regularly to find out if they are passing on too much communications or not enough and they are doing their best to let people know what is being discussed, even while being clear that nothing is final yet.

Much appreciated by myself & I know other parents at other clubs are annoyed they aren’t being told anything.

Hi Aegon,

It is fantastic to hear that your sons club are keeping you informed - that is very important at this time I believe. My concern is that I have heard of some clubs announcing dates to return to training with at least two supposedly returning next week! This is without the public health order being lifted. Our understanding at our club is that councils have not yet been given to go-ahead to allow community sport to return to their grounds yet. If clubs are promising a return to training, and then having to backtrack on this, I worry that hopes are being raised unnecessarily.

Clubs should be preparing for the return, and should be ready to go when the time is right, but without state and local government go-ahead my opinion is clubs should be patient.

If comps do start again in July then those clubs saying they will return next week have a very long pre season in front of them. 8 weeks. A League styleeeee!!!

I am not trying to be argumentative here. Just stating a different view.

A

[THEBIGCHEESE]

I agree with Aegon 100%.

These are unprecedented times and there is so many rumours and interpretations and the rules. All the clubs need to do is keep passing on the factual information that has been provided by the Government, FFA and Northern NSWF. In the meantime clubs should canvass players/parents to see if they feel safe and comfortable with how the restructure will work along with how the club will implement new procedures. This way it will save a lot of time and hassle about teams having to find players and potentially pulling out due to lack of numbers etc.

Fingers crossed we can all return to training soon and Northern will release a start date then we can all get back to whinging about the opposition, referees, Northern NSWF and parents.

[Johnno]

I agree with Aegon 100%.

These are unprecedented times and there is so many rumours and interpretations and the rules. All the clubs need to do is keep passing on the factual information that has been provided by the Government, FFA and Northern NSWF. In the meantime clubs should canvass players/parents to see if they feel safe and comfortable with how the restructure will work along with how the club will implement new procedures. This way it will save a lot of time and hassle about teams having to find players and potentially pulling out due to lack of numbers etc.

Fingers crossed we can all return to training soon and Northern will release a start date then we can all get back to whinging about the opposition, referees, Northern NSWF and parents.
Will be still a little while Off yet. Clubs sent an email today that requires them and their coaches to undertake appropriate training via a webinar in the next 2 weeks before training can be recommenced. Office ofSport and local Councils have to give them the ok and this may vary from council to council. Any clubs caught training will be appropriately dealt with and not covered by insurance.

[Hurricane]

Have heard of 2 clubs that are starting to train this week, in groups of ten. Does anyone know if this has been cleared, I thought all training was still suspended by NNSW Football

[BS detecor]

Have heard of 2 clubs that are starting to train this week, in groups of ten. Does anyone know if this has been cleared, I thought all training was still suspended by NNSW Football

It’s not sanctioned so no cover for the players, the coach or the club. FFA have lifted the suspension on community football but it’s still up to the states and member zones when training will be allowed to restart

[Alan]

It’s not sanctioned so no cover for the players, the coach or the club. FFA have lifted the suspension on community football but it’s still up to the states and member zones when training will be allowed to restart

Yes BS - its the lack of insurance cover and Council go-ahead that concerns me and our club. Of course people can now gather in groups of ten - but clubs should not be doing this as "official" training IMHO. God forbid any player gets injured.

A

[Johnno]

Yes BS - its the lack of insurance cover and Council go-ahead that concerns me and our club. Of course people can now gather in groups of ten - but clubs should not be doing this as "official" training IMHO. God forbid any player gets injured.

A

Supposedly three clubs are training in organised training sessions not necessarily at their own grounds. One club trained in full club training kit. Unbelievable not approved by council or northern an injury or heaven forbid a coved case and it brings it all undone for everyone and there will be no football.

[Hurricane]

Supposedly three clubs are training in organised training sessions not necessarily at their own grounds. One club trained in full club training kit. Unbelievable not approved by council or northern an injury or heaven forbid a coved case and it brings it all undone for everyone and there will be no football.

Name and shame Johnno

[Barry Dawson]

Hot off the press - Football NSW return to football guidelines.
Would assume Northern are rebadging this as we speak.
Can we do it?
https://footballnsw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Return-to-Training-Guidelines-FNSW-1.pdf

[Alan]

Hot off the press - Football NSW return to football guidelines.
Would assume Northern are rebadging this as we speak.
Can we do it?
https://footballnsw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Return-to-Training-Guidelines-FNSW-1.pdf

Thanks Barry.

These guidelines are easy to manage for Miniroos-U10 community and up to U10 SAP but will need a little more organising for the older groups as they have more players. Ground space will be the biggest issue, but nothing that cannot be overcome. Training is to be non-contact for Stage 1, so there should be no issues in older groups needing a whole pitch for practice matches.

I know our club have looked at these and are confident we can be on the paddock as soon as Northern and Council give it a Guernsey.

A

[Hurricane]

Supposedly three clubs are training in organised training sessions not necessarily at their own grounds. One club trained in full club training kit. Unbelievable not approved by council or northern an injury or heaven forbid a coved case and it brings it all undone for everyone and there will be no football.

Have also heard of an NPL senior group back in training

[sammydog]

Supposedly three clubs are training in organised training sessions not necessarily at their own grounds. One club trained in full club training kit. Unbelievable not approved by council or northern an injury or heaven forbid a coved case and it brings it all undone for everyone and there will be no football.

Not going to name, but a squad of 10 youth NPL were kicked off our grounds on the weekend.

They moved across the road to the school.

[sammydog]

These guidelines are easy to manage for Miniroos-U10 community and up to U10 SAP but will need a little more organising for the older groups as they have more players. Ground space will be the biggest issue, but nothing that cannot be overcome. Training is to be non-contact for Stage 1, so there should be no issues in older groups needing a whole pitch for practice matches.

Not easy to manage for mini-roos at all. 40 players on a pitch at a time means the mini-roo training takes a lot more time than usual. We will need to allocate 6hrs for mini-roos which cuts into how we manage the rest of the club.

Our U8 and U9 squads when you factor in coaches will all exceed 10 easily, so its not going to be a walk in the park at all to manage ground availability and scheduling.

[Barry Dawson]

Hardly surprising.
The instruction from one club is - don’t train on our ground as we will get in trouble from Council - go and find another local ground.
As a result there are community club facilities that everyday have NPL and WPL teams training in small groups on them - poor form.
Wonder what would happen if clubs started to send their players to other Open council facilities Like Adamstown, Edden or darling at ovals.
Seams reasonable to me

[sammydog]

Hardly surprising.
The instruction from one club is - don’t train on our ground as we will get in trouble from Council - go and find another local ground.
As a result there are community club facilities that everyday have NPL and WPL teams training in small groups on them - poor form.
Wonder what would happen if clubs started to send their players to other Open council facilities Like Adamstown, Edden or darling at ovals.
Seams reasonable to me

Unfortunately its not just a covid phenomenon. If its wet, they turn up, off season, they turn up.

To me, its more about those clubs preserving their grass at all cost and shitting on the clubs that actually bring the kids into the sport.

[Goatscheese]

Not going to name, but a squad of 10 youth NPL were kicked off our grounds on the weekend.

They moved across the road to the school.

Just 10 kids rocking up or did it have the coach as well?

While I appreciate wanting to preserve the fields I always find it amusing when clubs kick off public users off a public field.



Wonder what would happen if clubs started to send their players to other Open council facilities Like Adamstown, Edden or darling at oval
Seams reasonable to me

Though Adamstown and Edden are locked up behind fences.

[sammydog]

Just 10 kids rocking up or did it have the coach as well?

While I appreciate wanting to preserve the fields I always find it amusing when clubs kick off public users off a public field.

Full kit, bow net goals, club branded balls/cones. Good enough for me. Person who turned up with the gear was young, but older than the rest. Coach, who knows, not from our club so I don't know the make up of the squad/coaching staff.

Hypothetically, say it was a group from a club training unofficially. Train at your own grounds. Don't train elsewhere. Its shear arrogance to avoid your own pitches and train elsewhere under the guise of them being "public pitches". We've had enquiries from the public asking why our teams are still training. They aren't.

Maybe we should be telling our teams to turn up in groups of 10 to the NPL/NL1 pitches and have a kick around while we cant train.

Never kicked public users off a pitch, but when its clearly a club squad, they can jog on or pay the fees everyone else pays to train.

[Alan]

Not easy to manage for mini-roos at all. 40 players on a pitch at a time means the mini-roo training takes a lot more time than usual. We will need to allocate 6hrs for mini-roos which cuts into how we manage the rest of the club.

Our U8 and U9 squads when you factor in coaches will all exceed 10 easily, so its not going to be a walk in the park at all to manage ground availability and scheduling.

I hear what you are saying Sammy but it obviously this depends on how many Miniroos teams a club has. Ours is not as extensive as some others, and teams are currently allocated a 1/4 of a pitch for an hour at a time, so I see no major changes for us, other than some additional hygiene management (sanitiser available pre and post training). Totally appreciate this will be more of a challenge for some clubs than others.

Newcastle Football have asked clubs to circulate a questionnaire for parents to see if their kids play again and, if so, whether parents are willing to help out more. It will take a lot more volunteers to make community, SAP, youth work this year, and I suspect we see some teams not being able to go ahead, certainly in community football.

A

[Alan]

Hardly surprising.
The instruction from one club is - don’t train on our ground as we will get in trouble from Council - go and find another local ground.
As a result there are community club facilities that everyday have NPL and WPL teams training in small groups on them - poor form.
Wonder what would happen if clubs started to send their players to other Open council facilities Like Adamstown, Edden or darling at ovals.
Seams reasonable to me

Yes Barry I have heard of similar. The problem is a lack of clear communication on the issue - the Feds say you can have 10 people train together, FNSW release guidelines but say they are draft, Northern say nothing and everyone is waiting on the Office of Sport guidelines before committing fully. It makes administration completely impossible, I can tell you!

A

[Goatscheese]

Full kit, bow net goals, club branded balls/cones. Good enough for me. Person who turned up with the gear was young, but older than the rest. Coach, who knows, not from our club so I don't know the make up of the squad/coaching staff.

Fair enough sounds more organised than a few people in the area doing it.


Hypothetically, say it was a group from a club training unofficially. Train at your own grounds. Don't train elsewhere. Its shear arrogance to avoid your own pitches and train elsewhere under the guise of them being "public pitches". We've had enquiries from the public asking why our teams are still training. They aren't.

Depends if some are locals or not. It's a public park and like it or not people can, will and our entitled to use it. If football was set up properly Newcastle, you would all have your main fields locked up.


We've had enquiries from the public asking why our teams are still training. They aren't.

Which is the end of it


Maybe we should be telling our teams to turn up in groups of 10 to the NPL/NL1 pitches and have a kick around while we cant train.

And so they can do so if they want. The local park near my place is an NPL ground I go use it when I need to. I take in mind the goal mouths when the ground is damp (as I would even if just used by an interdistrict club) but if they don't want me using it have it fenced off.


Never kicked public users off a pitch, but when its clearly a club squad, they can jog on or pay the fees everyone else pays to train.

I've come across some club people trying to kick us off when it is only 4 of us having a kick around.

[Goatscheese]

Yes Barry I have heard of similar. The problem is a lack of clear communication on the issue - the Feds say you can have 10 people train together, FNSW release guidelines but say they are draft, Northern say nothing and everyone is waiting on the Office of Sport guidelines before committing fully. It makes administration completely impossible, I can tell you!

A

To make matters worse other associations already have their teams training again, even in states that have had high numbers

[onlooker]

Any other clubs back training? Macquarie Football started back on Monday under restrictions, but was still good to finally see all the kids back out there training.

[Goatscheese]

Any other clubs back training? Macquarie Football started back on Monday under restrictions, but was still good to finally see all the kids back out there training.

Edgeworth, Kahibah and South Cardiff all have their SAP teams back

[Alan]

Any other clubs back training? Macquarie Football started back on Monday under restrictions, but was still good to finally see all the kids back out there training.

Hi onlooker,

Our SAP teams were due to return this week but Newy Council are yet to sign off our risk assessment so we don't yet have permission to use the grounds. A couple of our youth teams have had sessions at Speers Point under an invite from Northern. I am told that the paperwork involved to ensure track and trace is annoying but is a small burden to get the kids out on the paddock.

A

[Alan]

Edgeworth, Kahibah and South Cardiff all have their SAP teams back

Yes, Lake Macquarie Council have been much faster in opening up the grounds. Frustration is growing at Newy based clubs at NCC. The word incompetence is thrown around, but I suspect they are struggling with the guidelines like everyone else.

A

[onlooker]

Hi onlooker,

Our SAP teams were due to return this week but Newy Council are yet to sign off our risk assessment so we don't yet have permission to use the grounds. A couple of our youth teams have had sessions at Speers Point under an invite from Northern. I am told that the paperwork involved to ensure track and trace is annoying but is a small burden to get the kids out on the paddock.

A

I have heard that about a number of clubs in the Newcastle area being ready to go but not being allowed to use their fields.. yeah from what I saw on Monday it took a little bit to sort out but we had a meeting about it all the Friday before so we knew what to expect.. and from what I can tell that paperwork will be here for a while to come so as you said a small burden but worth it in the end..

[Aegon]

Hi onlooker,

Our SAP teams were due to return this week but Newy Council are yet to sign off our risk assessment so we don't yet have permission to use the grounds. A couple of our youth teams have had sessions at Speers Point under an invite from Northern. I am told that the paperwork involved to ensure track and trace is annoying but is a small burden to get the kids out on the paddock.

A

Same with Jaffas, they had everything sorted to return to training at the start of last week. Only waiting on NCC go ahead. - Apparently they are not addressing each club individually but are sending out 1 directive to all which hasn't been completed.

[Alan]

Morning everyone - My name is Steve and I'm this years NLFC U9 SAP Coach

Hey Steve,

May I ask what the feeling is around NLFC at the moment? I heard the news that the club have pulled out of miniroos and I-D this year ( you mentioned having a son that plays I-D)

So SAP is going ahead? I feel for the club. Such a tough spot to manage 1100 kids at a time like this.

A

[Aegon]

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[Johnno]

For anyone looking for an affordable July holiday clinic please read on:

Lambton Jaffas presents…
The 2020 NOVACASTRIAN JULY SCHOOL HOLIDAY FOOTBALL SKILLS CLINIC
“Missed football? Get ready for the season”

Dates: Monday 6th, Tuesday 7th, Wednesday 8th, Thursday 9th July
The first week of the July school holidays

Times: 9.00am to 11.30am

Who for? Players born in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012
u/8 u/9 u/10 u/11

Cost: $100 per player.

Where? Wallarah & Blackley Ovals (behind Lambton High School)

Other information:
Players should wear a white or predominantly white T-shirt, club soccer shorts, socks, and boots.

Please bring a size 3 or 4 soccer ball if possible. Label all possessions.
The clinic is designed help kids improve their skills.
It is highly organised and conducted in a professional manner.

Skills Taught through circuit rotation:
* Striking the ball – Shooting, Passing (short and long)
* First touch- receiving the ball properly with movement
* 1 v 1 – attack and defence
* Running the ball – inside/ outside of foot

EARLY REGISTRATION STRONGLY ADVISED !
DO NOT MISS OUT as PLACES FILL VERY QUICKLY
How to register: Register and payment options. Go to:

https://form.jotform.co/41447738042859


For any enquiries: phone 0432066005 or email rhar@bigpond.net.au


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Richard Hartley money making exercise like most private holiday clinics.

[Aegon]

Richard Hartley money making exercise like most private holiday clinics.

Money making yet cheaper than any of the other 3 clinics that are currently advertised (Jobe’s, Clayton Zanes or Adam Hughes’s). My son went last year and thoroughly enjoyed himself.

[Hunter403]

Richard Hartley money making exercise like most private holiday clinics.

Love him or hate him, he is a good coach.

As this is a Jaffas activity I dare say the money goes to the club from which Hartley and any other coaches get paid. A bit harsh to say this is a Richard Hartley money making exercise simply because he is running it. Olympic, Southy etc have all done these over the last few years

[boz-monaut]

so now we're attacking people for making money from running coaching clinics?

those bastards, running a business for profit - how dare they?

Clayton Zane was running a clinic in a park near my place during the lock down - one kid at a time, six days a week, morning, afternoon and evening - you want to attack him for 'profiting from the pandemic'? he was working hard, making the most of a bad situation and providing an outlet for kids (and families) and should be applauded

[Alan]

so now we're attacking people for making money from running coaching clinics?

those bastards, running a business for profit - how dare they?

Clayton Zane was running a clinic in a park near my place during the lock down - one kid at a time, six days a week, morning, afternoon and evening - you want to attack him for 'profiting from the pandemic'? he was working hard, making the most of a bad situation and providing an outlet for kids (and families) and should be applauded

Hi Boz,

Yes, I agree entirely with your point. I suspect the problem here is Richard's involvement, not the concept. Richard is a very divisive character - lord knows I have had a few ding dongs with him over the years! - but you cannot question the mans motives. Running a clinic to earn a few bucks for Jaffas in these times is a shrewd move, especially with kids starved of playing over the past few months. Same way its shrewd for Magic to do one with Clayton Zane. Same way with Valo and Hughesy, Jobe and NTS etc etc

The Jaffas clinic looks like the ones Newy Football usually run at this time of year - same venue too! The big worry for me is that this probably shows where NF's thinking is at this time. I think most people know Russell Henry wanted the season canned this year, so just what shape will NF be in at the end of this? I hope the teams that rely on NF for NET and other coaching assistance have back up plans in place as the news I'm hearing out of NF worries me.

I hope I am wrong.

A

[scowling]

Hey Steve,

May I ask what the feeling is around NLFC at the moment? I heard the news that the club have pulled out of miniroos and I-D this year ( you mentioned having a son that plays I-D)

So SAP is going ahead? I feel for the club. Such a tough spot to manage 1100 kids at a time like this.

A

Sorry Alan - just catching up on the forum.
My SAP team started back training only last week - and I believe most other SAP teams were similar.

My U12 ID son's team is training, with no immediate prospect of games. Which frustrates him. I'm not too connected into the community side of the club but the general feeling I get is that parents didn't feel like committing to the volunteer workload to make it all work. So the kids, ALL the kids, miss out. Sad.

[Goatscheese]

My U12 ID son's team is training, with no immediate prospect of games. Which frustrates him. I'm not too connected into the community side of the club but the general feeling I get is that parents didn't feel like committing to the volunteer workload to make it all work. So the kids, ALL the kids, miss out. Sad.

Assuming you're training at a club that hasn't pulled out of the comp, I'm surprised your club hasn't told you you're playing next weekend. That was announced by the ID associations well over a week ago

[scowling]

Assuming you're training at a club that hasn't pulled out of the comp, I'm surprised your club hasn't told you you're playing next weekend. That was announced by the ID associations well over a week ago

NLFC.
Due to the vagaries of the Newcastle Football NET system versus the NNSWF SAP system, my son - turning 12 this year - was switched from NLFC premier group (NET last year) to NLFC Community (ID only, no SAP) - and the community side of the club pulled out of the season. His team are training, because the alternative is a season with no football and then less chance to make the jump to U13 (NPL/NEWFM whatever, either at NLFC or elsewhere) .. but no games.

As far as U9 SAP goes.. we're still yet to see a draw, are still unable to practice tackling at training, and need to somehow play a game this weekend.

[THEBIGCHEESE]

As far as U9 SAP goes.. we're still yet to see a draw, are still unable to practice tackling at training, and need to somehow play a game this weekend.[/QUOTE]

This period of no contact should be welcomed at SAP age. This was the perfect opportunity of having time to practice technique repeatedly in isolation. That would be a 1000% more productive than practising tackling.

[Doopche]

As far as U9 SAP goes.. we're still yet to see a draw, are still unable to practice tackling at training, and need to somehow play a game this weekend.

This period of no contact should be welcomed at SAP age. This was the perfect opportunity of having time to practice technique repeatedly in isolation. That would be a 1000% more productive than practising tackling.[/QUOTE]

You know for kids at SAP level they need to enjoy it yeah? There’s only so much practice they can do before they lose interest for the game. They need to be playing games at this age to keep them motivated and interested or they will just throw it in.
They go to school normally now and play in playground so just bring it back to normal now.

[samcan]

Reading the play and positional combinations takes a hit.

[THEBIGCHEESE]

This period of no contact should be welcomed at SAP age. This was the perfect opportunity of having time to practice technique repeatedly in isolation. That would be a 1000% more productive than practising tackling.

You know for kids at SAP level they need to enjoy it yeah? There’s only so much practice they can do before they lose interest for the game. They need to be playing games at this age to keep them motivated and interested or they will just throw it in.
They go to school normally now and play in playground so just bring it back to normal now.[/QUOTE]

My comment never once made mention to playing games. It was more an observation about using this isolated time to perfect skills to use in games when they return. I didn't think practising tackling was a valuable use of time.

[scowling]

As far as U9 SAP goes.. we're still yet to see a draw, are still unable to practice tackling at training, and need to somehow play a game this weekend.

This period of no contact should be welcomed at SAP age. This was the perfect opportunity of having time to practice technique repeatedly in isolation. That would be a 1000% more productive than practising tackling.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, and we've been working on passing and movement and building fitness and decision making skills back up. Which has been good. My kids hardly ever get an actual goal to shoot at (this is mostly deliberate by me) so the sessions haven't been all that different from pre-shutdown.
However, just prior to shutdown we had highlighted a skills gap when it came to tackling technique across the whole team and were about to spend a good block of time working on that.

They'll be excited to play a game this week - but apart from school-herd-soccer they won't have performed a tackle in months...

[Bremsstrahlung]

I’d argue school herd sokkah is the best way to learn.

[scowling]

I’d argue school herd sokkah is the best way to learn.

You're right, but it also depends what you want them to learn - none of my players learnt about structure and spacing from the playground.
And my belief is that the SAP environment is meant to teach / reinforce this part of the game (while still keeping it fun).

[BS detecor]

I always thought SAP was about individual skill and technique. The 4 core skills don’t include structure and spacing but that’s just the curriculum. I don’t mind a coach who thinks a bit differently.

[Aegon]

I always thought SAP was about individual skill and technique. The 4 core skills don’t include structure and spacing but that’s just the curriculum. I don’t mind a coach who thinks a bit differently.

Across the clubs it's apparent that structure is definitely being taught. To be fair though it has to, if you just let them all run around in a gaggle they aren't going to opportunity to learn effectively.

[sapdad]

I always thought SAP was about individual skill and technique. The 4 core skills donÂ’t include structure and spacing but thatÂ’s just the curriculum. I donÂ’t mind a coach who thinks a bit differently.
the further down this road we go with SAP and the more i read this forum the more im convinced this program is doomed for failure.its evident pressing and structure are coached and thats fine but when a kid can run and press and slide tackle and stick a boot in yet after 3 years in the program still cant control pass or shoot with their weak foot then its failed.if youre going to games this weekend take the time to actually look at the individual skills of the kids.the sugar hit of winning on the weekend is eventually going to be tempered with the fact these kids will be so far behind their peers when it comes to the time that winning actually matters.

[Goatscheese]

NLFC.
Due to the vagaries of the Newcastle Football NET system versus the NNSWF SAP system, my son - turning 12 this year - was switched from NLFC premier group (NET last year) to NLFC Community (ID only, no SAP) - and the community side of the club pulled out of the season. His team are training, because the alternative is a season with no football and then less chance to make the jump to U13 (NPL/NEWFM whatever, either at NLFC or elsewhere) .. but no games.

Oh bloody hell, well good luck to them going to be difficult to know other players they know are playing every weekend. Is there at least another U12 NLFC team doing it ? At least then

Now all the return to play guidelines are out and it is now where near as bad as the clubs were scared into believing, I wonder if they could've gone ahead.

[Goatscheese]

My comment never once made mention to playing games. It was more an observation about using this isolated time to perfect skills to use in games when they return. I didn't think practising tackling was a valuable use of time.

While I can understand where you are coming from any SAP training games is still done based on the skill the session is focusing on. Or should be

[finzee]

NLFC.
Due to the vagaries of the Newcastle Football NET system versus the NNSWF SAP system, my son - turning 12 this year - was switched from NLFC premier group (NET last year) to NLFC Community (ID only, no SAP) - and the community side of the club pulled out of the season. His team are training, because the alternative is a season with no football and then less chance to make the jump to U13 (NPL/NEWFM whatever, either at NLFC or elsewhere) .. but no games.

As far as U9 SAP goes.. we're still yet to see a draw, are still unable to practice tackling at training, and need to somehow play a game this weekend.

yeah the 12s should have stayed with NET. Hindsight n all.

[scowling]

yeah the 12s should have stayed with NET. Hindsight n all.

My understanding was that there was no option(s) for U12 in the NET program? (beyond any issues my club might have had with the NET program)
I could see how the step up to more players and bigger fields would have affected the rest of the NET setup - so I assumed this was the case.

Sorry all, understand this is a SAP thread and not a NET thread. My understanding is that it was NF that pulled away from SAP years ago to create their own NET program and now by going back to SAP have created this gap-year; which my son just happens to inhabit. If he had a realistic chance/desire of playing NPL I'd be much more upset for him.

[scowling]

Oh bloody hell, well good luck to them going to be difficult to know other players they know are playing every weekend. Is there at least another U12 NLFC team doing it ? At least then

Now all the return to play guidelines are out and it is now where near as bad as the clubs were scared into believing, I wonder if they could've gone ahead.

Do you mean another team at NLFC U12? Not that I know of - they would have been miniroos players with a cancelled season, I don't imagine they'd like to play games against our ex-NET players

As for not being as bad - I don't know what to say; the club had to make a call with the information in front of them, so as far as that goes I support the decision.

[scowling]

the further down this road we go with SAP and the more i read this forum the more im convinced this program is doomed for failure.its evident pressing and structure are coached and thats fine but when a kid can run and press and slide tackle and stick a boot in yet after 3 years in the program still cant control pass or shoot with their weak foot then its failed.if youre going to games this weekend take the time to actually look at the individual skills of the kids.the sugar hit of winning on the weekend is eventually going to be tempered with the fact these kids will be so far behind their peers when it comes to the time that winning actually matters.

It's as good a program as I can see being feasibly implemented at this age group. From my experience they have the correct motivation and I would not underestimate how hard it would be to pull together a coherent curriculum which suits this broad an age range.
But don't take my mention of focussing on tackling to say that I am not also training to all 4 core principles, which includes working on the technical aspects of passing and using their weak foot.

In other news we know who and where and when we're playing this weekend, and we're allowed to start tackling at training from today. What's happening in other parts of the world and even Australia suggests that we are extremely fortunate to be this far along.

[Goatscheese]

Do you mean another team at NLFC U12? Not that I know of - they would have been miniroos players with a cancelled season, I don't imagine they'd like to play games against our ex-NET players

Yes I meant another team at NLFC U12 that may still be training just like you guys are, at least then every couple weeks you could have a game and not just be training.


As for not being as bad - I don't know what to say; the club had to make a call with the information in front of them, so as far as that goes I support the decision.

I am blaming Newcastle Football and Newcastle Council for scaring a lot of clubs with claims on requirements and consequences that quite frankly were never going to be true. Not the clubs.

The blame for those Macquarie Football teams that pulled off can be put on Macquarie Football with similar claims.

[samcan]

I thought New Lambton only canned the 6-11s?

[scowling]

I thought New Lambton only canned the 6-11s?

For reasons that I mentioned earlier, my older boys team is U12 ID (Community group) and it was included in the cancellations. U13 (NewFM) is premier group and they're going ahead.
U9 SAP, U10 SAP, U11 SAP are all Premier group and are going ahead.

[sapdad]

It's as good a program as I can see being feasibly implemented at this age group. From my experience they have the correct motivation and I would not underestimate how hard it would be to pull together a coherent curriculum which suits this broad an age range.
i dont blame the curriculum or the designers of it.i actually think the theory behind it is solid.but in year 3 the focus has shifted well away from that by the kind of people who were mentioned in year 1 as the type of people we wanted to avoid in this program.

[Alan]

i dont blame the curriculum or the designers of it.i actually think the theory behind it is solid.but in year 3 the focus has shifted well away from that by the kind of people who were mentioned in year 1 as the type of people we wanted to avoid in this program.

Hi sapdad,

Can we delve a little deeper into your comment? It sounds like your club has introduced someone to the SAP space who is tinkering with the pathway design. Is that right? Or are you referring to Northern's management of the program?

A

[sapdad]

Hi sapdad,

Can we delve a little deeper into your comment? It sounds like your club has introduced someone to the SAP space who is tinkering with the pathway design. Is that right? Or are you referring to Northern's management of the program?

A

Hi Alan,no its not one person but its a type of person that is now involved in the program that concerns me.let me give you an idea about what im talking about.

year 1 we had the drop off rule from goal kicks, opposition players (at that stage 1 or 2 forwards) stood behind the line and the attacking team played out.the rules were enforced and teams learned how to play 1-2's, players came back for the ball but it all started with the goalie playing it to his 2 fullbacks who were split either side of the goal.

year 2 teams started to put more emphasis on getting right on the drop off line and sprinting to the fullbacks.refs either didnt care or didnt know the rules and teams were getting pinned into their end.teams were now scoring goals by winning these 1-1 tackles and then getting 1-1 or 2-1 vs the goalie.the attention went away from teaching kids to play out and onto not getting caught with the ball in their own end.

year 3 the first few games i saw (trials and program) teams are now stacking 3 and 4 players on the drop off line and staying inside the attacking player so no matter where the goalie goes, the result is the same.if he plays to the fullbacks, they are immediately out numbered.if he plays up the field a bit, the ball is coming straight back to him.the only real solution is to try and kick long goal kicks and create runaways on the other end. due to most SAP goalies not being able to launch it 30m, its not a reliable tactic.
the result is teams are scoring goals from defensive pressure.awesome right? no. the idea of the program is to play football.but coaches (and parents and assorted hangers on)are so concerned with winning that we are introducing these tactics to 9 year olds and we end up playing long ball or watch 2 and 3 kids flood fullbacks.

again, if people want to play that type of football then great, there are many comps to go do that in and you'll get your trophy at the end and you can sing your team song. but SAP was designed to play football, and by year 3 we have coaches going against everything the program was designed to do.
now, plenty of coaches on here will say they dont coach that and i believe them. but sadly if teams keep getting beaten and kids get disheartened parents will quickly shift to blaming coaches and clubs for not winning more.the end product of that is coaches adapting to a winning style or risk losing their players.

SAP was designed to create a new type of australian player.there is a reason why australia currently has what 1? player at an elite level playing in the 6,8,9,10 positions. why are our players never good enough for these spots? we cant even produce middle players for our own domestic league, yet when they try and fix the system, the same old school attitudes infiltrate it and we stay in the same place.ive no doubt SAP will end up producing a better quality of junior than it has before, but we are never going to produce the type of real world class player until we throw all this 'winning' and 'bleed for the shirt' attitude out the window and teach the kids how to play football.
the worst part is in 18 months these first crop of SAP kids go to NPL full field. So the structure,positioning and tactics will all be different.players cant flood as much, goalies can kick further and there is way more space for kids to use their individual skill.so why spend so much time on it now? because we want to win at any cost.

anyway sorry for the ramble i hope it makes some sense.by all means if everyone on here gets to a game on the weekend tell me what you see.im one parent of one kid so im not pretending to know it all.my kid is lucky in that his coach has always been about the football.its made things tough some days when opposition teams play awful football but 'win'.but its also great when you see kids get a chance to show of some pretty amazing skills for their ages.im lucky in that we get to see a lot of different games and im sure the best kids will make it, but it just saddens me to think a fair few others arent getting the same opportunity because peoples focus is on the wrong thing.

[ForeverRed]

In the case of New Lambton you don’t have to be the biggest to be the strongest, I find it disappointing they pulled the pin, all you hear is how big their club is and how they’re the best to play for yet other clubs have battled through and one club I know off have accepted 200 new players since Covid and are powering on, maybe a little less noise and a little more grind may be the answer

[howardyou]

In the case of New Lambton you don’t have to be the biggest to be the strongest, I find it disappointing they pulled the pin, all you hear is how big their club is and how they’re the best to play for yet other clubs have battled through and one club I know off have accepted 200 new players since Covid and are powering on, maybe a little less noise and a little more grind may be the answer

Hi mate, not being part of the club would make it difficult to understand, as you don't see the inner workings of Alder Park and Novo at 9am each Saturday morning, however when the club was making the decision, the information to hand (provided through a full club survey) was that there would not be enough volunteers stepping up to ensure that compliance with the Covid-19 requirements would be achieved. For instance, Alder Park has miniroos all morning with up to 1000 people there. Imagine policing that, and if not able to, the club is liable. Considering that 500 is the allowed maximum number of people at a facility, scheduling games became a massive problem as well. The issue for New Lambton is the size of the club, and has nothing to do with grind or hard work.

The attitude of she''ll be right, might be okay for some, but if something goes wrong who is to blame?

Great to see the kids back into SAP this morning. I feel it's a great program from my club's perspective, and i've seen some amazing football from many clubs and individual players over the past 18 months that i've been involved with it. Where you have instances of teams pressing high and not allowing teams out, it's up to the match referee to ensure that the rules are being adhered to.

[sapdad]

Where you have instances of teams pressing high and not allowing teams out, it's up to the match referee to ensure that the rules are being adhered to.
im assuming this was in response to my post.please let me be clear the players and coaches arent breaking any rules.they are flooding and pressing from behind the line.my post was about the focus going from teaching/encouraging the kids to play out to the kids being given little to no chance to make a first pass.the simple fix is to pull the dropoff line back another 5-10m out.it could be that easy.

[Aegon]

im assuming this was in response to my post.please let me be clear the players and coaches arent breaking any rules.they are flooding and pressing from behind the line.my post was about the focus going from teaching/encouraging the kids to play out to the kids being given little to no chance to make a first pass.the simple fix is to pull the dropoff line back another 5-10m out.it could be that easy.

Inconsistent application of the rules is still a big problem.
Our club have always instructed the game leaders that the 2 most important rules at this age are the drop off and blatant offsides.
You’ll then play at an opponent’s home ground the week after and their game is structured around sitting 1-2 kids very high and hoping to get long ball goals, this is crap for the boys when they are getting scored against from offside positions.
They don’t understand why it isn’t being called.

I was game leader today for my sons team and pulled them up 3/4 times and disallowed at least 1 goal because they were clearly offside. Also pulled up kids from both teams for encroaching the drop off line off goal kicks.
What time should be implemented though is the drop off should be all times when the goalie gets the ball, because general play goalie pick ups get consistently pressed which results in turnovers, long balls and the occasional good play out.

Another thing that is blatantly obvious is that northern have made a huge mistake in not pooling the teams into 2 divisions/leagues and not allowing provision to do so this at all this season. Both games in my sons age group today were completely one sided. We may not be keeping score but sure as shit the kids on the field do and you can tell when teams start getting demoralised by how badly they are getting played off the park.

One of the games today the team ended up pulling their goalie off the field (played with 6 on the field) and giving the opposing team 2 of their players to try and keep the game challenging and worth playing because no one is learning anything by winning or losing by 20.

[Game_over]

On a positive note, It was great to see how happy the kids where today at the games I saw. I know my son was super excited and happy to be back on the field.

Totally agree with Aegon though in regards to Northern missing an opportunity to split the teams into pools for the second half of the draw, both teams in my sons age group completely dominated the opposition. While my boys teams enjoyed a few goals I do feel for the kids on the other teams, its going to be a long season.

[scowling]

im assuming this was in response to my post.please let me be clear the players and coaches arent breaking any rules.they are flooding and pressing from behind the line.my post was about the focus going from teaching/encouraging the kids to play out to the kids being given little to no chance to make a first pass.the simple fix is to pull the dropoff line back another 5-10m out.it could be that easy.

I would absolutely support that change.

[sideline88]

im assuming this was in response to my post.please let me be clear the players and coaches arent breaking any rules.they are flooding and pressing from behind the line.my post was about the focus going from teaching/encouraging the kids to play out to the kids being given little to no chance to make a first pass.the simple fix is to pull the dropoff line back another 5-10m out.it could be that easy.

Sapdad, I totally agree with the need for this rule to be strongly enforced and if not even amended to give a defending team an actual chance to play out from the back. watched a game at Speer's Point on Saturday where a defending team would barely even get a touch on the ball from the goal kick before they were boxed in by 4-5 attacking players. Makes it hard when the attacking team ( Clearly outclassing the defending team) has the entire team including the goalie pressed inside the opposition half for the entire game.

[Dontknowmuch]

Sapdad, I totally agree with the need for this rule to be strongly enforced and if not even amended to give a defending team an actual chance to play out from the back. watched a game at Speer's Point on Saturday where a defending team would barely even get a touch on the ball from the goal kick before they were boxed in by 4-5 attacking players. Makes it hard when the attacking team ( Clearly outclassing the defending team) has the entire team including the goalie pressed inside the opposition half for the entire game.

This is not a NNSW problem this is a coach and club issue. I have no issue with kids being off side but the drop off rule needs to be enforced as it is in Miniroos football. It's not even an issue for the referee its the coach that should be getting them back and teaching them at training to do so. Too many coaches at this young age teaching the kids skills they don't need yet like the press as well as hand picking all the good kids into one team, it's only stunting their development but these superstar SAP coaches wouldn't see that.

[Beaver]

Hi Alan,no its not one person but its a type of person that is now involved in the program that concerns me.let me give you an idea about what im talking about.

year 1 we had the drop off rule from goal kicks, opposition players (at that stage 1 or 2 forwards) stood behind the line and the attacking team played out.the rules were enforced and teams learned how to play 1-2's, players came back for the ball but it all started with the goalie playing it to his 2 fullbacks who were split either side of the goal.

year 2 teams started to put more emphasis on getting right on the drop off line and sprinting to the fullbacks.refs either didnt care or didnt know the rules and teams were getting pinned into their end.teams were now scoring goals by winning these 1-1 tackles and then getting 1-1 or 2-1 vs the goalie.the attention went away from teaching kids to play out and onto not getting caught with the ball in their own end.

year 3 the first few games i saw (trials and program) teams are now stacking 3 and 4 players on the drop off line and staying inside the attacking player so no matter where the goalie goes, the result is the same.if he plays to the fullbacks, they are immediately out numbered.if he plays up the field a bit, the ball is coming straight back to him.the only real solution is to try and kick long goal kicks and create runaways on the other end. due to most SAP goalies not being able to launch it 30m, its not a reliable tactic.
the result is teams are scoring goals from defensive pressure.awesome right? no. the idea of the program is to play football.but coaches (and parents and assorted hangers on)are so concerned with winning that we are introducing these tactics to 9 year olds and we end up playing long ball or watch 2 and 3 kids flood fullbacks.

again, if people want to play that type of football then great, there are many comps to go do that in and you'll get your trophy at the end and you can sing your team song. but SAP was designed to play football, and by year 3 we have coaches going against everything the program was designed to do.
now, plenty of coaches on here will say they dont coach that and i believe them. but sadly if teams keep getting beaten and kids get disheartened parents will quickly shift to blaming coaches and clubs for not winning more.the end product of that is coaches adapting to a winning style or risk losing their players.

SAP was designed to create a new type of australian player.there is a reason why australia currently has what 1? player at an elite level playing in the 6,8,9,10 positions. why are our players never good enough for these spots? we cant even produce middle players for our own domestic league, yet when they try and fix the system, the same old school attitudes infiltrate it and we stay in the same place.ive no doubt SAP will end up producing a better quality of junior than it has before, but we are never going to produce the type of real world class player until we throw all this 'winning' and 'bleed for the shirt' attitude out the window and teach the kids how to play football.
the worst part is in 18 months these first crop of SAP kids go to NPL full field. So the structure,positioning and tactics will all be different.players cant flood as much, goalies can kick further and there is way more space for kids to use their individual skill.so why spend so much time on it now? because we want to win at any cost.

anyway sorry for the ramble i hope it makes some sense.by all means if everyone on here gets to a game on the weekend tell me what you see.im one parent of one kid so im not pretending to know it all.my kid is lucky in that his coach has always been about the football.its made things tough some days when opposition teams play awful football but 'win'.but its also great when you see kids get a chance to show of some pretty amazing skills for their ages.im lucky in that we get to see a lot of different games and im sure the best kids will make it, but it just saddens me to think a fair few others arent getting the same opportunity because peoples focus is on the wrong thing.

Sapdad you have made some very valid & strong points-the issue for me ( been involved coaching at SAP since it’s introduction) is the way ‘certain clubs & coaches interpret the concept -there are several nnsw clubs who are already telling teams to
Press -intense-shape etc with the sole purpose of ??? winning!!
This is where it needs to change -I’m all for a competitive streak in us all and let’s teach our players how to win & lose but the governing body needs to decide keep results and open up a competition or NOT -In Spain U6’s have promotion & relegation!

[sapdad]

the governing body needs to decide keep results and open up a competition or NOT -In Spain U6’s have promotion & relegation!
im not 100 percent sure but doesnt ID's and the old NET have tables and comps? This is my point,if thats what parents/coaches want for their kids, then send them over there and use those comps to get that fix.SAP isnt the only path for players,there are going to be plenty of talented australian kids come out of other areas.this program was designed to be something different but its not being given a chance.a big problem is coaches and TD's who are the same people who used to (or still do) coach mens,and higher age NPL football are just coming straight into the program bringing their ideas with them.this is supposed to be different.

on another note the ground i was at on the weekend sure looked like the drop off line was a good extra 5m back from its usual spot.made me laugh as it helped the football immeasurably.thinking if i ref a few games this year ill sneak in prematch and move it back myself.

[Aegon]

im not 100 percent sure but doesnt ID's and the old NET have tables and comps? This is my point,if thats what parents/coaches want for their kids, then send them over there and use those comps to get that fix.SAP isnt the only path for players,there are going to be plenty of talented australian kids come out of other areas.this program was designed to be something different but its not being given a chance.a big problem is coaches and TD's who are the same people who used to (or still do) coach mens,and higher age NPL football are just coming straight into the program bringing their ideas with them.this is supposed to be different.

on another note the ground i was at on the weekend sure looked like the drop off line was a good extra 5m back from its usual spot.made me laugh as it helped the football immeasurably.thinking if i ref a few games this year ill sneak in prematch and move it back myself.

The NET comp this season is not functioning like it has in previous seasons and without technical oversight from NF it may not ever get back to where it was. It will likely become something similar to what HV and Macquarie have with club development teams in A grade in each ID division & by 12's will pretty much replicate what existed last year.

Without formalising NET type structures in each association the options are becoming more limited.... Join an academy or it's Miniroos/SAP or ID's/SAP depending on the age group.

[Goatscheese]

The NET comp this season is not functioning like it has in previous seasons and without technical oversight from NF it may not ever get back to where it was. It will likely become something similar to what HV and Macquarie have with club development teams in A grade in each ID division & by 12's will pretty much replicate what existed last year.

Without formalising NET type structures in each association the options are becoming more limited.... Join an academy or it's Miniroos/SAP or ID's/SAP depending on the age group.

Northern is bringing in SAP12s next year for their Premier clubs, I wouldn't expect many would bother with a development team on top of their 1 or 2 U12 SAP teams instead.

[Doopche]

This is not a NNSW problem this is a coach and club issue. I have no issue with kids being off side but the drop off rule needs to be enforced as it is in Miniroos football. It's not even an issue for the referee its the coach that should be getting them back and teaching them at training to do so. Too many coaches at this young age teaching the kids skills they don't need yet like the press as well as hand picking all the good kids into one team, it's only stunting their development but these superstar SAP coaches wouldn't see that.

Well you definitely live up to your forum name. Sound like a salty dad.
Stop living through your child old mate and stop being a little baby. Why don’t you step up and show these coaches how it’s done? These guys are giving up their time to coach the kids and not getting paid and guys like you sledging them on a forum because some 9 yr olds donÂ’t listen and get back their 10m. Grow up mate.
Why don’t you name the club that is stacking the side? Name and shame.

[Aegon]

Well you definitely live up to your forum name. Sound like a salty dad.
Stop living through your child old mate and stop being a little baby. Why don’t you step up and show these coaches how it’s done? These guys are giving up their time to coach the kids and not getting paid and guys like you sledging them on a forum because some 9 yr olds donÂ’t listen and get back their 10m. Grow up mate.
Why don’t you name the club that is stacking the side? Name and shame.

I’ll ignore the hyperbole and focus on the question at the end.

There are several clubs where the direction from the club Technical Director or SAP co-ordinator they have run with an A/B team set up as opposed to 2 evenly matched squads.

I know Lake Mac, Maitland & New Lambton definitely run with this set up.

Edgeworth mix and match their teams most weeks but typically run A/B teams vs Olympic, Magic or Jaffas.

Magic, Jaffa’s, Olympic, Phoenix & Azzurri definitely run evenly spread teams.

I’ve got no idea how Weston or Rosebuds run their set up.

[Aegon]

magic and olympic have been 2 of the clubs that have implemented the SAP program better than most.as for newfm teams struggling you certainly havent been watching teams play.plenty of big clubs out there playing football directly opposite to the point of SAP but coaches/parents/players very boisterous about how good they are based on them winning games.that philosophy will carry over to NPL youth and the best footballing teams will be still strong.you want to talk about players abandoning teams what about when teams cut 10 year old kids for no real reason.kids that then turn up at places like magic and olympic who then go on to perform more than adequately to justify a place in their program.a big focus needs to be put on coaches and tds at these some of these so called big clubs to see what order they prioritise winning, skill development and the well being of the kids.and be honest with yourselves because ive seen enough shameful shit already to know who the really successful clubs are.

From NPL Youth thread.

I have watched many SAP games in the last 2 years and apart from New Lambton it's very rare to see a competitive NEWFM NL1 team.... even in the 10's early this year the stronger NL team put about 40 goals past another NL1 club.
Admittedly I haven't seen anything from West Wallsend or Cooks Hill yet, however Wallsend, South Cardiff & Singleton are a fair way behind in terms of individual skills.

I don't think this has anything to do with the coaching - more to do with the best young players going to the big clubs. In the end these players will be further along in their progress than they would have been going through miniroos or ID - the challenge is keeping these players in the sport because if they are getting 10, 20 or 30 goals put past them each week it will be hard for them to keep enjoying it.

I've said multiple times in the past that the club SAP system should be split. Generally in line with NPL (SAP1) and NL1 + the girls squads (SAP2) so that the games are competitive, close and enjoyable for everyone.

[sapdad]

From NPL Youth thread.

I have watched many SAP games in the last 2 years and apart from New Lambton it's very rare to see a competitive NEWFM NL1 team.... even in the 10's early this year the stronger NL team put about 40 goals past another NL1 club.
Admittedly I haven't seen anything from West Wallsend or Cooks Hill yet, however Wallsend, South Cardiff & Singleton are a fair way behind in terms of individual skills.

I don't think this has anything to do with the coaching - more to do with the best young players going to the big clubs. In the end these players will be further along in their progress than they would have been going through miniroos or ID - the challenge is keeping these players in the sport because if they are getting 10, 20 or 30 goals put past them each week it will be hard for them to keep enjoying it.

I've said multiple times in the past that the club SAP system should be split. Generally in line with NPL (SAP1) and NL1 + the girls squads (SAP2) so that the games are competitive, close and enjoyable for everyone.

im happy for all clubs to remain in the same schedule as it exposes clubs/parents/coaches to what is expected and what is achievable.the games on the weekends are pretty much the poorest metric for evaluating the kids.any clubs boasting about winning for the sake of winning is completely missing the point of the program.SAP isnt the be all and end all.by 13's heaps of kids are going to some from ID's/miniroos and fit straight in to NPL. the likes of magic and olympic dont have a magic wand.they just coach their kids and set a good program.these other clubs might need to actually look at learn from the likes of those clubs rather than get jealous of them.cooks hill and nl are in a unenviable position due to being no pathway above 13.but their best kids are good enough for these top npl clubs hence why they are already been scouted for spots.sometimes its a shameless approach a lot of times its the fact a family member has a connection to the club and its a natural fit.also again one of these big clubs picked up jaffas kids because they got cut.hard to blame anyone else other than jaffas if they get to 13s and dont have enough quality to match.nor is it out of line for parents to avoid the club like the plague if thats how they are going to treat kids.id much rather these clubs look into the way they are being run and who is running them rather than blaming magic/olympic for doing whats best for their clubs.

[Aegon]

im happy for all clubs to remain in the same schedule as it exposes clubs/parents/coaches to what is expected and what is achievable.the games on the weekends are pretty much the poorest metric for evaluating the kids.any clubs boasting about winning for the sake of winning is completely missing the point of the program.SAP isnt the be all and end all.by 13's heaps of kids are going to some from ID's/miniroos and fit straight in to NPL. the likes of magic and olympic dont have a magic wand.they just coach their kids and set a good program.these other clubs might need to actually look at learn from the likes of those clubs rather than get jealous of them.cooks hill and nl are in a unenviable position due to being no pathway above 13.but their best kids are good enough for these top npl clubs hence why they are already been scouted for spots.sometimes its a shameless approach a lot of times its the fact a family member has a connection to the club and its a natural fit.also again one of these big clubs picked up jaffas kids because they got cut.hard to blame anyone else other than jaffas if they get to 13s and dont have enough quality to match.nor is it out of line for parents to avoid the club like the plague if thats how they are going to treat kids.id much rather these clubs look into the way they are being run and who is running them rather than blaming magic/olympic for doing whats best for their clubs.

On the Jaffs cut you mentioned - From my understanding that was a decision made very early and in line with the expectation that NNSWF were pushing towards 1 team per club in 11's for 2020. Once the objections from several clubs on this direction were upheld and the ability for multiple teams within 11's was possible Jaffa's had already communicated with parents & coaches their intention to run with a single team.
No real direction for 1 team or 2 is going to be 100% right though as Jaffas and other clubs that run with 1 team are going to be looking for several more players when they go for 13's NPL. However on the flip side, teams that have gone with 2 teams will be needing to cut at least 7 or 8 players when they move to 13's. Considering their are 5 or 6 clubs that will be in this position, I don't think Jaffas, Valo, Rosebuds, etc will struggle to get their required numbers.

In no way am I blaming Olympic or Magic. I think they are both very well ran clubs with great reputations. I just don't think their players or the opposition players get anything out of games that are being dominated completely by one side.

[Aegon]

by 13's heaps of kids are going to some from ID's/miniroos and fit straight in to NPL

On this point in particular.

Yes this was correct in the past as the numbers of places were extremely limited within the association SAP programs which left a whole bunch of kids to play in Newcastle NET or some of the Macquarie, HV club development miniroos grades.
Have you watched Miniroos in 9's/10's/11's in the same ages as SAP runs now? There are only a couple of grades in each association now and the quality is extremely poor, of course there are going to be some late starters, bloomers or kids that have come from other sports but they'll be the exception to the rule. SAP this year though has taken about 250 boys each out of Under 9's and above and the best girls have moved on to the association SAP teams. The quality of coaching and players at miniroos and ID level is going to be extremely diluted compared to the past.

[sapdad]

On this point in particular.

Yes this was correct in the past as the numbers of places were extremely limited within the association SAP programs which left a whole bunch of kids to play in Newcastle NET or some of the Macquarie, HV club development miniroos grades.
Have you watched Miniroos in 9's/10's/11's in the same ages as SAP runs now? There are only a couple of grades in each association now and the quality is extremely poor, of course there are going to be some late starters, bloomers or kids that have come from other sports but they'll be the exception to the rule. SAP this year though has taken about 250 boys each out of Under 9's and above and the best girls have moved on to the association SAP teams. The quality of coaching and players at miniroos and ID level is going to be extremely diluted compared to the past.

agreed,but watching SAP games has exposed a few issues.good teams having 3 or 4 very good players by comparison and seemingly happy to let their stars win for them.plenty of players in good teams unable to shoot pass or control very well with weak foot.a lot of players/teams winning by athleticism rather than skill.trials at 13's will expose a lot of this and kids will wonder where it all went wrong.kids will come from other areas with similar levels of athleticism and skill level.they will get their chance.i agree with most parts of your comments so please dont think im coming after you specifically but watching a lot of games over these past few years has shown me how different peoples understand of "skilled" is and i disagree with most of them.

[Aegon]

I saw a post tonight on Magic’s Facebook page saying they will have 10’s girls SAP in 2021.
Is the girls competition phasing away from association SAP as well?

[The Magician]

I saw a post tonight on Magic’s Facebook page saying they will have 10’s girls SAP in 2021.
Is the girls competition phasing away from association SAP as well?

Was meant to start next year with 10-12, but COVID has messed that up, so will phase in as it has with the boys, one age group per year... Yth WPL age groups change to 13, 15,17... from 14 and 17.

[Aegon]

Was meant to start next year with 10-12, but COVID has messed that up, so will phase in as it has with the boys, one age group per year... Yth WPL age groups change to 13, 15,17... from 14 and 17.

First I’d heard of it. Any ideas on how the Girls age group comps will be run, are they going to continue playing the boys but an age group or 2 up?

[The Magician]

First I’d heard of it. Any ideas on how the Girls age group comps will be run, are they going to continue playing the boys but an age group or 2 up?

Assume there will be an EOI, open for wpl clubs and nominated community football teams, 8-10 clubs needed for comp draw... will play against each other, separate from the boys.

[Alan]

Assume there will be an EOI, open for wpl clubs and nominated community football teams, 8-10 clubs needed for comp draw... will play against each other, separate from the boys.

This is a very interesting development. There are a number of girls-only comps in U9 community, but the vast majority of clubs are not NPL. If the girls SAP is to get off the ground current SAP clubs will either need to get on board, or Northern will need to issue licenses to the likes of Merewether, Kotara South, Kahibah, Mayfield, Dudley etc.

I am sure some of the NPL clubs will be eyeing the money coming from the World Cup in a couple of years, so wouldn't be surprised if they started running girls teams in the near future. I would be surprised if this happened next year though.

I would personally love to see Northern grant some of the community clubs girls SAP licenses for next year. These community clubs have put in the hard yards with girls football and deserve the recognition. Knowing Northern, I worry that they will alienate the community clubs and only grant licenses to NPL ones. We shall see!!

A

[KITZ]

This is a very interesting development. There are a number of girls-only comps in U9 community, but the vast majority of clubs are not NPL. If the girls SAP is to get off the ground current SAP clubs will either need to get on board, or Northern will need to issue licenses to the likes of Merewether, Kotara South, Kahibah, Mayfield, Dudley etc.

I am sure some of the NPL clubs will be eyeing the money coming from the World Cup in a couple of years, so wouldn't be surprised if they started running girls teams in the near future. I would be surprised if this happened next year though.

I would personally love to see Northern grant some of the community clubs girls SAP licenses for next year. These community clubs have put in the hard yards with girls football and deserve the recognition. Knowing Northern, I worry that they will alienate the community clubs and only grant licenses to NPL ones. We shall see!!

A

SAP isn’t for community football it’s specifically for footballers who want to play in those leagues WPL /NPL etc. it’s a commitment to 2 nights a week training over 30 something weeks. SAP licences cost money. Why would a community club be interested in any of that when the intention isn’t for those kids to play community football and their season doesn’t run anywhere near as long. They would only be wasting money investing and setting kids up with false ideas of what they are getting into, there will literally no where for them to go after SAP. I think you are blurring interest in football and what the SAP program is supposed to be. It was never supposed to be a free for all, it’s a targeted program that requires a large investment from both club and players as well as their families.

[sammydog]

This is a very interesting development. There are a number of girls-only comps in U9 community, but the vast majority of clubs are not NPL. If the girls SAP is to get off the ground current SAP clubs will either need to get on board, or Northern will need to issue licenses to the likes of Merewether, Kotara South, Kahibah, Mayfield, Dudley etc.

I am sure some of the NPL clubs will be eyeing the money coming from the World Cup in a couple of years, so wouldn't be surprised if they started running girls teams in the near future. I would be surprised if this happened next year though.

I would personally love to see Northern grant some of the community clubs girls SAP licenses for next year. These community clubs have put in the hard yards with girls football and deserve the recognition. Knowing Northern, I worry that they will alienate the community clubs and only grant licenses to NPL ones. We shall see!!

A

We have worked our arses off to develop womens football at our club, and the prospect of the WPL clubs having SAP from U9's scares the crap out of us. There is 28 teams in the U8's girls across the three member zones, slide them over to the 8 WPL clubs ( a few of which have very few junior girls) and you will gut community girls football. Many teams at various clubs wont be viable after they have been picked apart.

As it is we lost 10% of our juniors to Emerging Jets, WPL and WPL development teams in the last off season. We worked hard and recruitment far out numbered the loss, but it still hurts.

Community clubs being granted SAP licenses though, not a chance . We are only here to bring kids into the sport to be picked off. We had aspirations of WPL, but have given up. I wont hold my breath for a SAP licence.

[sammydog]

SAP isn’t for community football it’s specifically for footballers who want to play in those leagues WPL /NPL etc. it’s a commitment to 2 nights a week training over 30 something weeks. SAP licences cost money. Why would a community club be interested in any of that when the intention isn’t for those kids to play community football and their season doesn’t run anywhere near as long. They would only be wasting money investing and setting kids up with false ideas of what they are getting into, there will literally no where for them to go after SAP. I think you are blurring interest in football and what the SAP program is supposed to be. It was never supposed to be a free for all, it’s a targeted program that requires a large investment from both club and players as well as their families.


It ceased being being a target program when so many kids are accepted into it.

If SAP is about getting kids in front of accredited coaches to develop them, then the club doesn't matter. As it stands, the SAP system is an exclusive cash cow for the lucky few. The shear volume of kids taken in devastates the community teams left behind. The numbers that fold because of SAP intake is way too high. those kids are lost to football, but no one cares.

[finzee]

agreed,but watching SAP games has exposed a few issues.good teams having 3 or 4 very good players by comparison and seemingly happy to let their stars win for them.plenty of players in good teams unable to shoot pass or control very well with weak foot.a lot of players/teams winning by athleticism rather than skill.trials at 13's will expose a lot of this and kids will wonder where it all went wrong.kids will come from other areas with similar levels of athleticism and skill level.they will get their chance.i agree with most parts of your comments so please dont think im coming after you specifically but watching a lot of games over these past few years has shown me how different peoples understand of "skilled" is and i disagree with most of them.

If a kid has athleticism thats ok dont cry they are learning to use it and dont be jealous because your kid cant handle it.

If a kid cant use their other foot yet have a cry. Theyre still learning.

Dont worry I dont have a kid playing but jealous parents are a cancer. Theyre all doing their best with their current skills and learning new ones.

[finzee]

im happy for all clubs to remain in the same schedule as it exposes clubs/parents/coaches to what is expected and what is achievable.the games on the weekends are pretty much the poorest metric for evaluating the kids.any clubs boasting about winning for the sake of winning is completely missing the point of the program.SAP isnt the be all and end all.by 13's heaps of kids are going to some from ID's/miniroos and fit straight in to NPL. the likes of magic and olympic dont have a magic wand.they just coach their kids and set a good program.these other clubs might need to actually look at learn from the likes of those clubs rather than get jealous of them.cooks hill and nl are in a unenviable position due to being no pathway above 13.but their best kids are good enough for these top npl clubs hence why they are already been scouted for spots.sometimes its a shameless approach a lot of times its the fact a family member has a connection to the club and its a natural fit.also again one of these big clubs picked up jaffas kids because they got cut.hard to blame anyone else other than jaffas if they get to 13s and dont have enough quality to match.nor is it out of line for parents to avoid the club like the plague if thats how they are going to treat kids.id much rather these clubs look into the way they are being run and who is running them rather than blaming magic/olympic for doing whats best for their clubs.

Crap. Magic and Olympic coach their kids very similarly as most clubs. They have the luxury of having very good footballers whether by attraction or poaching. They still get beaten sometimes but thats sport.

Some kids actually leave Magic and Olympic because bad things happen. Point is players move all the time and even go back without the infantile "hating an ex club".

[sapdad]

Dont worry I dont have a kid playing
your inability to read or comprehend the posts was outstanding and concerning all at the same time.im not criticizing any kids, in fact im saying that because kids develop at different speeds, the 'success' of the program or teams or players cant be seen now, and nor should it.i was using magic and olympic as examples because the conversation in earlier posts seemed to infer they get the best players but you obviously missed that in the rush to throw some insults out ther you even agreed with my point yet called it crap,excellent job there.anyway after seeing your form on here ill let you go and do your thing.you think any parents on here discussing their kids well being is somehow not ok yet you are quite strident to throw insults and stand up for a bunch of footballers overseas who you dont know, dont have any real connection to, and who dont know or care who the **** you are.coming to a random thread to throw insults at parents having their own conversations says way more about you than it does for us champ.looking forward to being told to go have a cry or something equally as mature.thanks in advance.

[sapdad]

in other news more in keeping with the discussion,the ground i was at on the weekend had the drop off line way further out than normal.made for a much better display of football from the kids, they got to at least play that first pass and it was really good to watch.

[Doopche]

Crap. Magic and Olympic coach their kids very similarly as most clubs. They have the luxury of having very good footballers whether by attraction or poaching. They still get beaten sometimes but thats sport.

Some kids actually leave Magic and Olympic because bad things happen. Point is players move all the time and even go back without the infantile "hating an ex club".

How would you know how magic or Olympic coach their kids? “Some kids leave because bad things happen” wow 🤦🏻*♂️ That’s like saying some kids score a goal when they shoot.
I’m actually getting tired of reading about magic or Olympic having the luxury of good players And poaching this and that . I know at magic the teams are full of mostly Miniroos kids with a few added along the way at trials. This poaching players is the biggest load of crap I’ve read. When players Parents contact coaches and ask to bring their kids over because they like the way the club is run, or team is coached or that they have a pathway to NPL Why is that somehow the clubs fault?. So if kids turn up to the trials and the coach pics them it’s poaching is it? It’s not the EPL or NPL 1st grade where they can buy players, it’s up to the parents if they choose to take them to these clubs to benefit from either better coaching or better teammates that might help their kids progress.
I will say one thing but, there is a massive gap between the top few sides and the rest of the competition I most grades. If NNSW don’t sort this out and make an A grade and B grade then it’s nothing more then a money grabbing glorified community competition with absurd rego prices.

[onlooker]

in other news more in keeping with the discussion,the ground i was at on the weekend had the drop off line way further out than normal.made for a much better display of football from the kids, they got to at least play that first pass and it was really good to watch.

Drop off rule was in place tonight at Lakes for the game between Lakes and Macquarie girls. Both teams playing out from the back, leading to some really good passages of play. Very pleased with how the girls played and quite a well balanced game with both teams having periods where they were in control..
Question tho in the boys U/11’s keepers kicking the ball out hands is that a yay or a nay??. We where under the impression it was a nay but when it happened the opposition coach said it was a yay..

[sapdad]

Question tho in the boys U/11’s keepers kicking the ball out hands is that a yay or a nay??. We where under the impression it was a nay but when it happened the opposition coach said it was a yay..

funny enough it was a question raised previously.one team did it and when asked their coach said it wasnt in the rules one way or another so in that case they apply the standard fifa rule.no one had a problem with it but apparently nnsw sap specific rules make no mention.

[onlooker]

funny enough it was a question raised previously.one team did it and when asked their coach said it wasnt in the rules one way or another so in that case they apply the standard fifa rule.no one had a problem with it but apparently nnsw sap specific rules make no mention.

Fair enough, I guess with all this drop off rule talk and playing out from the back it was just assumed the long bomb out of the hands wasn’t allowed..

[Aegon]

Question tho in the boys U/11’s keepers kicking the ball out hands is that a yay or a nay??. We where under the impression it was a nay but when it happened the opposition coach said it was a yay..

I honestly don’t know if it’s a rule, I do know for sure that the head of football and coaches at my sons club direct the goalies to play out to the left or right back. Doesn’t mean it always happens but they are definitely being coached to do it that way.

[scowling]

Fair enough, I guess with all this drop off rule talk and playing out from the back it was just assumed the long bomb out of the hands wasn’t allowed..

I also thought it was a rule - and I think it makes a lot of sense not to allow it.

Given that I haven't seen it occur in any of our games I would assume most other U9 coaches think it's a rule too.

[Doopche]

I also thought it was a rule - and I think it makes a lot of sense not to allow it.

Given that I haven't seen it occur in any of our games I would assume most other U9 coaches think it's a rule too.


If coaches are letting keepers do that then they aren’t worried about development.
That will make great entertainment on a small pitch to pump the ball up the field and then watch it bounce 3 times before a kid is confident enough to head it. I assumed the rule is like indoor and keeper can throw it under arm Maybe over? or kick it off the deck which would be the way to go. No one wants to see bombs out of their hands at this age and on a small pitch.

[sapdad]

If coaches are letting keepers do that then they arenÂ’t worried about development.
That will make great entertainment on a small pitch to pump the ball up the field and then watch it bounce 3 times before a kid is confident enough to head it. I assumed the rule is like indoor and keeper can throw it under arm Maybe over? or kick it off the deck which would be the way to go. No one wants to see bombs out of their hands at this age and on a small pitch.

the chat we had with the coach that used it said he found it difficult as teams got older they were pressing right up on the goalies when they had the ball in general play. he said if teams were going to push 3 and 4 players up in his goalies and defenders face then it was a legit tactic to at least know there was another option. to be fair to him it happened once in the game and he encouraged his keeper to throw it out every other time so id say thats why no one had a problem with it at the time.i can absolutely understand your point Doopche that it could get ugly if overdone.im just assuming it was probably something no one thought to make a rule about.if it happens too much i can see nnsw changing it.id personally love to see the drop off rule applied whenever the goalie had the ball (goal kick or in general play) but it would be a lot of enforcing by the refs to make it work.but it would be best for the kids football and thats the point i guess.

[onlooker]

It did only happen once or twice in our game last night and every other time both keepers where playing out from the back, I was just curious of if it was a rule or not.. But can day in the majority I have seen playing out from the back as the main focus which has been great to see.

[ForeverRed]

Listen to all the mums and dads on here, ffs, let the kids play footy and forget about winning trophies so mum and dad can tell all their friends, this thread is a joke

[sapdad]

Listen to all the mums and dads on here, ffs, let the kids play footy and forget about winning trophies so mum and dad can tell all their friends, this thread is a joke
so exactly what part of the sap program should parents talk about in the sap thread genius? ive obviously missed the part about trophies and wins and barnyards but of course you found it didnt you mate.judging by your history of being bitter about pretty much everything in football its no surprise you rode your horse in here to make up some nonsense just so you can remind yourself you and only you know the secret to how football is run.
it still amazes me after all this time reading this forum that the same geese are on here telling people how they can and cannot talk about their kids and their well being.the internet is a big place feel free to **** off somewhere else in it to tell your made up stories.youre a bitter old ex official no doubt longing for the days when your opinion mattered and people had to be nice to you to get a run at your club.its clowns like you that put bad tastes in parents mouths about joining clubs.no one cares what you think about SAP.you dont have kids in it, find something else to pretend to care about we are good here thanks.

[scowling]

the chat we had with the coach that used it said he found it difficult as teams got older they were pressing right up on the goalies when they had the ball in general play. he said if teams were going to push 3 and 4 players up in his goalies and defenders face then it was a legit tactic to at least know there was another option. to be fair to him it happened once in the game and he encouraged his keeper to throw it out every other time so id say thats why no one had a problem with it at the time.i can absolutely understand your point Doopche that it could get ugly if overdone.im just assuming it was probably something no one thought to make a rule about.if it happens too much i can see nnsw changing it.id personally love to see the drop off rule applied whenever the goalie had the ball (goal kick or in general play) but it would be a lot of enforcing by the refs to make it work.but it would be best for the kids football and thats the point i guess.

I'm very strict about enforcing the drop off for goal kicks - and I'd love it to also apply to goal keeper possession in general play. We (like most U9 teams I would assume) don't have a regular goalkeeper and rotate all the kids through that position. It's really hard for most of them to adapt and when they finally actually pick the ball up with their hands (surprisingly hard for some kids to get that far) it's stresses them out when they have an opposition player (or 3!) in their face stopping the restart.

Good on the opposition coach in our game on the weekend who seemed to have taught his players to drop off the goalkeeper in these situations - it made for a much better game.

[Aegon]

so exactly what part of the sap program should parents talk about in the sap thread genius? ive obviously missed the part about trophies and wins and barnyards but of course you found it didnt you mate.judging by your history of being bitter about pretty much everything in football its no surprise you rode your horse in here to make up some nonsense just so you can remind yourself you and only you know the secret to how football is run.
it still amazes me after all this time reading this forum that the same geese are on here telling people how they can and cannot talk about their kids and their well being.the internet is a big place feel free to **** off somewhere else in it to tell your made up stories.youre a bitter old ex official no doubt longing for the days when your opinion mattered and people had to be nice to you to get a run at your club.its clowns like you that put bad tastes in parents mouths about joining clubs.no one cares what you think about SAP.you dont have kids in it, find something else to pretend to care about we are good here thanks.

I wouldn't bother debating it. He's one of several long timers here who like dropping into threads every now and then just to say how irrelevant SAP, Youth or Women's football are.

[Aegon]

It's really hard for most of them to adapt and when they finally actually pick the ball up with their hands (surprisingly hard for some kids to get that far) it's stresses them out when they have an opposition player (or 3!) in their face stopping the restart.

Still happens in Under 10's - some of the kids definitely can't get used to using their hands :)

[Doopche]

I'm very strict about enforcing the drop off for goal kicks - and I'd love it to also apply to goal keeper possession in general play. We (like most U9 teams I would assume) don't have a regular goalkeeper and rotate all the kids through that position. It's really hard for most of them to adapt and when they finally actually pick the ball up with their hands (surprisingly hard for some kids to get that far) it's stresses them out when they have an opposition player (or 3!) in their face stopping the restart.

Good on the opposition coach in our game on the weekend who seemed to have taught his players to drop off the goalkeeper in these situations - it made for a much better game.
I seen something pretty funny in a SAP game on the weekend relating to this topic. 1 teams players would drop off when keeper would make a save and let them play out but other team wouldn’t return the favour and near scored when keeper did the same with his feet and was tackled by other teams players rushing in soon as he put it on the ground. So the coach yelled out to other bench is that the rule you guys want to play just so we are on the same page Or something along those lines, and asked it nicely when a vocal mother yelled out from behind the bench “when the ball is down it’s live play so play the rules” coach just said no worries and instructed his players to not drop off on saves.
That was a big mistake on their part as they quickly returned the favour and ran over the top of them . But the worst thing I seen was father from behind the bench yelling instructions and calling the ref who’s obviously a parent helping out a f@&k Witt because he didn’t spot the ball was out on the sideline which was a fair distance away from him.
I think this behaviour is uncalled for and I don’t like to mention clubs but that’s a disgrace and parents including myself need to shut up at games and let the coaches and Volunteer refs Do their jobs. That stuff really boils my blood and I don’t care if I’m not part of that club because my son has reffed a few times and Lakes need to speak with their parents regarding this. Yes I mentioned the club but they need to be held accountable.
No wonder it’s hard to find kids to ref games when you have morons like that yelling out.

[scowling]

I seen something pretty funny in a SAP game on the weekend relating to this topic. 1 teams players would drop off when keeper would make a save and let them play out but other team wouldn’t return the favour and near scored when keeper did the same with his feet and was tackled by other teams players rushing in soon as he put it on the ground. So the coach yelled out to other bench is that the rule you guys want to play just so we are on the same page Or something along those lines, and asked it nicely when a vocal mother yelled out from behind the bench “when the ball is down it’s live play so play the rules” coach just said no worries and instructed his players to not drop off on saves.
That was a big mistake on their part as they quickly returned the favour and ran over the top of them . But the worst thing I seen was father from behind the bench yelling instructions and calling the ref who’s obviously a parent helping out a f@&k Witt because he didn’t spot the ball was out on the sideline which was a fair distance away from him.
I think this behaviour is uncalled for and I don’t like to mention clubs but that’s a disgrace and parents including myself need to shut up at games and let the coaches and Volunteer refs Do their jobs. That stuff really boils my blood and I don’t care if I’m not part of that club because my son has reffed a few times and Lakes need to speak with their parents regarding this. Yes I mentioned the club but they need to be held accountable.
No wonder it’s hard to find kids to ref games when you have morons like that yelling out.

Obviously this behaviour is unacceptable. Mostly as coach I'm too preoccupied to hear it - but I get told about it later.
My assumption is that people fail to identify the difference between buying a ticket and barracking for their professional team versus cheering for kids (on both sides) who are learning to play and love a game.

We could not convince one single parent (nor by extension a sibling) to lead our game on Saturday, so we had to default to our manager. This is problematic for a number of reasons, but also emblematic of the grief that such game leaders receive during and after games.

I know we just don't have enough of them around to seriously consider it - but how much would a certified referee cost per game? It wouldn't solve all the behavioural problems, but it might solve others.

[Aegon]

We could not convince one single parent (nor by extension a sibling) to lead our game on Saturday, so we had to default to our manager. This is problematic for a number of reasons, but also emblematic of the grief that such game leaders receive during and after games.

This boggles my mind. Everyone needs to chip in and contribute to support the games being played at all.
In the current climate the kids are lucky to be playing and for parents not to help out is rubbish.

With being a game leader the job is to let the game flow, just enforce the drop off rule, pull up bad tackles, get the kids how to throw in properly and blow the whistle for blatant offsides. I've done a bunch of games since my son started SAP and the kids are fairly honest with calls so most of the time the goal kicks, corners, throw ins are all left by player who last touched it for the opposition to take. In the last game I think I blew the whistle maybe 5-6 times and it was usually for encroaching on the drop off rule. As much as we all hate mouthy spectators and parents, they are definitely in the minority.

[scowling]

This boggles my mind. Everyone needs to chip in and contribute to support the games being played at all.
In the current climate the kids are lucky to be playing and for parents not to help out is rubbish.

With being a game leader the job is to let the game flow, just enforce the drop off rule, pull up bad tackles, get the kids how to throw in properly and blow the whistle for blatant offsides. I've done a bunch of games since my son started SAP and the kids are fairly honest with calls so most of the time the goal kicks, corners, throw ins are all left by player who last touched it for the opposition to take. In the last game I think I blew the whistle maybe 5-6 times and it was usually for encroaching on the drop off rule. As much as we all hate mouthy spectators and parents, they are definitely in the minority.

If the restrictions allowed it I'd invite them to come along and "practice" leading during a mini-game at training and then they might realise - as you point out - that it's not all that difficult.

[outsider]

It did only happen once or twice in our game last night and every other time both keepers where playing out from the back, I was just curious of if it was a rule or not.. But can day in the majority I have seen playing out from the back as the main focus which has been great to see.

No mention in SAP rules as to how the GK can release the ball so a kick would appear to be ok.All attacking players are required to remain behind the drop-off line when goal kicks are being taken until the team taking the goal kick has taken a touch.Not applicable when goalkeeper receives the ball in general play.Rule 4.4

[Alan]

It ceased being being a target program when so many kids are accepted into it.

If SAP is about getting kids in front of accredited coaches to develop them, then the club doesn't matter. As it stands, the SAP system is an exclusive cash cow for the lucky few. The shear volume of kids taken in devastates the community teams left behind. The numbers that fold because of SAP intake is way too high. those kids are lost to football, but no one cares.

Hi sammydog,

You have articulated what I was trying to say far better than I did. My point around a possible girls SAP program for community teams was as a reward for all the work those teams do in the female development space.

I couldn't agree more with the need for more selectiveness in SAP - we need community teams to thrive, and consistently losing players to SAP regardless of ability sometimes is likely to cause big issues down the track.

A

[Retired01]

If SAP is about getting kids in front of accredited coaches to develop them, then the club doesn't matter. As it stands, the SAP system is an exclusive cash cow for the lucky few. The shear volume of kids taken in devastates the community teams left behind. The numbers that fold because of SAP intake is way too high. those kids are lost to football, but no one cares.[/QUOTE]

Im a parent who has played soccer all my life also and I fully agree with this comment. Weve been given the opportunity to whinge and bitch here about whats going on and unfortunately Im one of the Dads whos job has taken him away from being able to coach and help out. I don't understand how the SAP comp cant be graded just like the old A,B,C D divisions we all had as a kid. The clubs with 2 good teams will need to play against one another for now but I feel 1 team should be enforced from U12s then fringe players of Olympic and Magic will dilute to other clubs.
There are 10+ scorelines right across SAP, NPL1, NPL2. (All Youth I talking about) They can all be graded right across all divisions just like they used to be. The youth system isn't aligned with the seniors. They simply share a name and to cover off ground access youth on Saturdays Seniors Sundays or vice versa if there is the odd change for night functions as needed.
Im not saying it would be easy at NNSW but there is software which you put all the info into and it produces a draw. With only a few hiccups which need to be manually fixed up

[Alan]

No mention in SAP rules as to how the GK can release the ball so a kick would appear to be ok.All attacking players are required to remain behind the drop-off line when goal kicks are being taken until the team taking the goal kick has taken a touch.Not applicable when goalkeeper receives the ball in general play.Rule 4.4


No mention in SAP rules as to how the GK can release the ball so a kick would appear to be ok.All attacking players are required to remain behind the drop-off line when goal kicks are being taken until the team taking the goal kick has taken a touch.Not applicable when goalkeeper receives the ball in general play.Rule 4.4

I think this rule is there for good reason, and is important. Does anyone else think the whole playing out from the back idea is far too rigid? Sure its great to see when teams have the kids capable of passing the ball to each other, but that is NOT the case across every team. There are EPL and A-League teams who don't play out from the back because their players aren't good enough, but little Johnny who only starting playing last year is expected to do this every week in his U9 game.

IMHO there is nothing wrong with a goalie playing a long ball from the back, hopefully off the floor, as long passing is an important part of the game. I bet most of the weaker teams across SAP concede the vast majority of their goals from failing to play out from the back, so why shouldn't they be able to change it up? Constantly conceding goals and "losing" games means kids lose confidence and don't enjoy the game. Let's teach them that there is more than one way to skin a cat. And lets not be so enslaved to that Dutch technical handbook our ex-pros are increasingly saying has sent our game backwards over the past 10 years.

A

[Alan]

If SAP is about getting kids in front of accredited coaches to develop them, then the club doesn't matter. As it stands, the SAP system is an exclusive cash cow for the lucky few. The shear volume of kids taken in devastates the community teams left behind. The numbers that fold because of SAP intake is way too high. those kids are lost to football, but no one cares.

Im a parent who has played soccer all my life also and I fully agree with this comment. Weve been given the opportunity to whinge and bitch here about whats going on and unfortunately Im one of the Dads whos job has taken him away from being able to coach and help out. I don't understand how the SAP comp cant be graded just like the old A,B,C D divisions we all had as a kid. The clubs with 2 good teams will need to play against one another for now but I feel 1 team should be enforced from U12s then fringe players of Olympic and Magic will dilute to other clubs.
There are 10+ scorelines right across SAP, NPL1, NPL2. (All Youth I talking about) They can all be graded right across all divisions just like they used to be. The youth system isn't aligned with the seniors. They simply share a name and to cover off ground access youth on Saturdays Seniors Sundays or vice versa if there is the odd change for night functions as needed.
Im not saying it would be easy at NNSW but there is software which you put all the info into and it produces a draw. With only a few hiccups which need to be manually fixed up[/QUOTE]

Hi Retired,

I agree 100%. And grading is a lot easier than you think, but you have got to WANT to do it! Clubs would find it hard to sell their SAP if they were in a SAP B comp. Northern know this, and Northern have not capped teams to one per club, so its clear that graded comps are not on the agenda right now.

A

[sapdad]

I bet most of the weaker teams across SAP concede the vast majority of their goals from failing to play out from the back


To me, this sentence is the exact point at which people have morphed the original point of SAP into something completely different (usually encompassing their own ideas and experiences). No one should ever care how many goals a team gives up because they were pressed into an error playing out.ive been watching it for years and along the way ive seen teams persist with it and get really good at it.if we dont practice these core skills then whats the point of the program.over the course of age 9 - 12 players will be able to do it with ease if we as coaches and parents persist with it.im lucky in that our coach is a firm believer in it.they give up goals from mistakes like that, but they now score a lot of goals from full field movement and passing and its awesome to watch.our coach is firmly of the belief that kids entering the age where results matter (13's) he will have bread a much more skillful individual than if hed concentrated on winning games.
whilever his mentality* exists in the program i think it has a chance to produce really talented individuals, who then at 13 can become more tactically aware, physically stronger and hopefully realise their potential.otherwise grading, focusing on winning football when dealing with 9 year old kids to mean sounds really counter productive to what the program was originally designed to do.i believe results and grading is more about the parents desires rather than the best interests of the kids.


*also let me be clear there are quite a few coaches at many clubs with this mentality.the game my son played on the weekend was played exactly this way, it was a fantastic display of football from a bunch of young kids.mistakes were made, one team lost, but everyone walked away wanting every weekend to be played like that because of how good the football was.

[cobra23]

Im a parent who has played soccer all my life also and I fully agree with this comment. Weve been given the opportunity to whinge and bitch here about whats going on and unfortunately Im one of the Dads whos job has taken him away from being able to coach and help out. I don't understand how the SAP comp cant be graded just like the old A,B,C D divisions we all had as a kid. The clubs with 2 good teams will need to play against one another for now but I feel 1 team should be enforced from U12s then fringe players of Olympic and Magic will dilute to other clubs.
There are 10+ scorelines right across SAP, NPL1, NPL2. (All Youth I talking about) They can all be graded right across all divisions just like they used to be. The youth system isn't aligned with the seniors. They simply share a name and to cover off ground access youth on Saturdays Seniors Sundays or vice versa if there is the odd change for night functions as needed.
Im not saying it would be easy at NNSW but there is software which you put all the info into and it produces a draw. With only a few hiccups which need to be manually fixed up

Hi Retired,

I agree 100%. And grading is a lot easier than you think, but you have got to WANT to do it! Clubs would find it hard to sell their SAP if they were in a SAP B comp. Northern know this, and Northern have not capped teams to one per club, so its clear that graded comps are not on the agenda right now.

A[/QUOTE]

How is or will this grading business work when in reality there is no official table or scoreline to justifying grading teams.. until there is points etc to play for this whole grading stuff is pointless..

[Bremsstrahlung]

A few questions for those involved in SAP.

1. What Is the point of this program?
Is it targeted to the elite?
Is it a specific program/style of game available to everyone?

2. What makes it special/preferred? Is it the program itself? The coaching qualifications needed, the exclusivity of the program?

3. I understand the debate about scores vs no scores and focus being in skill development. How do you think keeping score would impact the quality of games? From what I’ve read, some teams ignore the curriculum/spirit a little and aim to score and win, where some seem to be More actively focussed on other aspects. What are the differences in play style of teams that “play to win”.

4. What are the “games” focus? It sounds like a glorified training run. Like are teams aiming to break down teams and score using the skills they have acquired. Or are they more focussed on possession etc and not scoring.

Some general comments.
- Regarding the keeper kicking it long. To be fair the reported comments make sense, encourage the play out from the back, but if teams are gonna press, go long. It’s a legitimate tactic and kids can learn something from it. Commit too many forward, exposed at the back.

[Reds Forever]

We can all come up with ideas and solutions to improve skills in kids. However until NNSW appoint a TD, nothing is happening.

Am surprised that more has not been made of this. We have not had a TD since October 2019 when Zane resigned. Before that, we had gone a long time with no TD and expected Bertos to fill 2 roles.

[Aegon]

We can all come up with ideas and solutions to improve skills in kids. However until NNSW appoint a TD, nothing is happening.

Am surprised that more has not been made of this. We have not had a TD since October 2019 when Zane resigned. Before that, we had gone a long time with no TD and expected Bertos to fill 2 roles.

And as soon as Bertos officially filled 2 roles NNSWF give him his marching orders.��*♂️

[sapdad]

Hi Bremsstrahlung ive put some answers in blue below. please note that this is how we were sold on SAP at the beginning. this has been my experience,obviously others will differ.


A few questions for those involved in SAP.

1. What Is the point of this program? It was aimed at talented/motivated/interested kids who wanted to improve their football from a core skill base.prior to this program the other 'pathways' had seemingly gathered quite a few critics and this seemed to be just an alternative to existing programs
Is it targeted to the elite? yes and no.its for kids that really want to go as far as they can in football.it is about building the next generation of NPL youth, and hopefully Jets youth. it was handed to the clubs to run so they could grab kids from their own miniroos teams and train them all the way through to 12's then hopefully graduate them into their NPL youth programs rather than needing to build teams from scratch at 13. it was in no way ever sold to us as being about being 'better' than kids in other programs, it was about focusing on the core skills rather than emphasising just playing to win by any means
Is it a specific program/style of game available to everyone?coaches can probably better answer but ive often wondered why the core curriculum isnt made available to all coaches at all clubs at all levels as a reference point.why not help out the volunteer mum or dad coaching a kids miniroos team with some simple drills if they want them?

2. What makes it special/preferred? Is it the program itself? The coaching qualifications needed, the exclusivity of the program? for my kid, its a chance to build up skills in a sport that he loves with a group of equally motivated kids.he has a great coach who really understands the program and its helped him in other areas of his life having such a fun environment to be involved in. if he didnt have the coach he has, if it was just a parent who was doing it out of obligation rather than a definite interest in the skills side of it id probably not be paying the money for it.there are a lot of good coaches in the program and they do a really good job

3. I understand the debate about scores vs no scores and focus being in skill development. How do you think keeping score would impact the quality of games? From what I’ve read, some teams ignore the curriculum/spirit a little and aim to score and win, where some seem to be More actively focussed on other aspects. What are the differences in play style of teams that “play to win”. i can see both sides of the argument.id prefer to not care about results and scores.am happy to focus on the long term goal of the program.for sure there are teams out there that care about results over process and i get that.again though by the time all these kids hit 13 they'll probably be pretty close to each other. my only fear is clubs going way too hard to early and burning kids out. at the core of it all we need to remember that these are 9/10/11 year old kids and need to be treated as such. there are no EPL scouts in the stands, there are no instagram models waiting in the sheds.its kids football.there will always be stories of carry on from parents/officials etc, but on the whole its been a 99% positive for my kid since he started

4. What are the “games” focus? It sounds like a glorified training run. Like are teams aiming to break down teams and score using the skills they have acquired. Or are they more focussed on possession etc and not scoring. teams are supposed to use the skills taught in training in the games on weekends.some clubs focus on setting up teams, some have clear tactics, some rotate all their players in positions, some dont.again, theres a variety of theories on the way to play. id say most of the time the better skilled team is pretty noticable on the park.ive seen plenty of games where teams have 'lost' but played the better football am im ok with that

Some general comments.
- Regarding the keeper kicking it long. To be fair the reported comments make sense, encourage the play out from the back, but if teams are gonna press, go long. It’s a legitimate tactic and kids can learn something from it. Commit too many forward, exposed at the back.

hope that sheds some light. again, these are my thoughts from my experience.no doubt there will be others with different stories and probably some who have no involvement in sap keen to throw in their useless 2c.one side of it id no idea on was the impact on clubs who dont have a sap licence and what it does to their kids. (i think) it was Sammydog who has shed some light on problems with that and while i love what the program has done, hearing those stories doesnt bode well for the future for others.ive no idea what the fix is there but hopefully nnsw listen to people like Sammydog and can help those clubs out.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Thanks mate, much appreciated. Not overly familiar with things at that end of the age groups.

To clarify, there’s been comments upon reading that imply that some clubs are focussed on “winning” rather than development. Just wondering, those teams that try to win more opposed to homing skills etc, what does their play style look like?
Do they kick and chase, long balls, give it to their good player to run through. Like what makes them focussed on winning? Is it the language of coaches driving that “feeling” that scoring and winning is important, or their play style.

Just curious.

Is scoring still exciting? Are the kids competing to “win”?

[Alan]

To me, this sentence is the exact point at which people have morphed the original point of SAP into something completely different (usually encompassing their own ideas and experiences). No one should ever care how many goals a team gives up because they were pressed into an error playing out.

Hey sapdad,

The next sentence I wrote was (to me anyway!) the more important point: "Constantly conceding goals and "losing" games means kids lose confidence and don't enjoy the game". Coaches constantly telling kids who aren't quite 'there' with their skills to always play out from the back which causes them to be flogged by double-figures every week doesn't do anyone any good. Kids who have those games every week walk away from the game and don't come back in my experience.

I find the rhetoric of teams only being able to play out from the back short-sighted, and if you listen to ex-pros like Robbie Slater they agree. There is nothing wrong with a long ball from the back. The key is to get the kids comfortable in possession, make sure their passing and touch are sharp, but to also help them understand that the game is played many ways.

If a team can avoid hating playing games by sending it long from the back once in a while I have no problem with it!!

A

[sapdad]

Thanks mate, much appreciated. Not overly familiar with things at that end of the age groups.

To clarify, there’s been comments upon reading that imply that some clubs are focussed on “winning” rather than development. Just wondering, those teams that try to win more opposed to homing skills etc, what does their play style look like?
Do they kick and chase, long balls, give it to their good player to run through. Like what makes them focussed on winning? Is it the language of coaches driving that “feeling” that scoring and winning is important, or their play style.

Just curious.

Is scoring still exciting? Are the kids competing to “win”?

the kids all play to win.they understand the objective of the game is to win.the difficult part is always teaching them how to win by playing football.
as for emphasising winning over playing the best football its been a fine line but there were some obvious incidents.

under 9s saw a lot of long ball (especially when refs didnt call offside very much) and a lot of the best individual snaking through teams to score.perfectly valid options but not what the program was about.games were still quite crowded at this age as spacing wasnt sinking into the kids (understandably).

under 10's saw more emphasis put on shape,space and the beginnings of tactics and structure.from year one to year 2 some clubs created A teams and B teams, some clubs cut players and recruited others who they deemed better.teams were actively poaching kids from other clubs to boost their squads(my son and his mate got asked by a rival coach after a game once).again its a bigger discussion but it can definitely be seen as a tactic to win more games rather than develop individuals.some teams were accused of stacking their teams against certain opponents in order to win.

under 11's has definitely seen an emphasis put on defensive pressing and pressure.its made for some ugly football and ive never understood the reason for having 4 players lined up along the drop off line ready to pounce on the first pass but its a tactic not done in the name of good football.its to create mistakes and score goals.again, it wins games, but long term its pointless.having said that, the teams that have concentrated on their football,as well as using defensive pressure have clearly stood out.but its been the same teams from year 1 to now that have always been the best teams to watch.These kids may have been doing this for 3 years but they are still only 11 year old kids. there is so much more for them to learn and grow.with good coaches (the good teams all have really good coaches) they have a chance to be whatever they want to be in football.but they need time and education.thankfully the best clubs are playing good football.some of the skill levels on these kids is amazing to watch.as long as fanatical parents and overzealous coaches and TD's stay out of the way we might see something special.

whilever my kid keeps getting picked to be in the program and he goes to training and comes home smiling the way he does ill encourage him to stay in it.but im now seeing some kids who look downright miserable out there, and the way they are spoken to by people who should know better is concerning.the biggest problem with the program is the expectations by people who dont understand the point of it all.good kids are going to get burnt out and walk away for reasons other than football and its going to be awful for them.if you are a parent wondering whether to send your kid to trial for the program heres some advice.

1.encourage your kid, if they love football and want to improve themselves then go for it.they might not be a world beater right now but with the right attitude they will benefit.
2. pay very very close attention as to who will be teaching your kid.if its a dad putting his hand up for the sake of it, walk away.your coach needs to be the driver of the program. if he looks like hes just there out of obligation it wont work.also, understand anyone else around the club that will come in contact with your kid.if there is a TD or club official that carries on then walk away.there are a lot of old school attitudes still in football and the amount of people who feel empowered to yell at a 9 year old kid for missing a tackle or missing a sitter is mind boggling.sadly these old school people wont change.there are loads and loads of good people in the program who have the best interests of the kids at heart.find them.
3.be quiet.the 2 questions i hear the most from adults to kids about football is "did you win" and "how many goals did you score". if thats whats important to you, then stay away.the only thing that matters after each training session and each game is if your kid improved and if they enjoyed themselves.if they do those 2 things every training session and every game then they will end up in the exact spot they deserve to be.by all means help out around the club where you can.pump up balls, bring oranges, encourage everyone.but let the coaches coach and the players play.
sorry for the rant everyone.

[sapdad]

Hey sapdad,

The next sentence I wrote was (to me anyway!) the more important point: "Constantly conceding goals and "losing" games means kids lose confidence and don't enjoy the game". Coaches constantly telling kids who aren't quite 'there' with their skills to always play out from the back which causes them to be flogged by double-figures every week doesn't do anyone any good. Kids who have those games every week walk away from the game and don't come back in my experience.

I find the rhetoric of teams only being able to play out from the back short-sighted, and if you listen to ex-pros like Robbie Slater they agree. There is nothing wrong with a long ball from the back. The key is to get the kids comfortable in possession, make sure their passing and touch are sharp, but to also help them understand that the game is played many ways.

If a team can avoid hating playing games by sending it long from the back once in a while I have no problem with it!!

A

Hi Alan yes i agree with your points.im happy for teams to use a long tactic as well especially if the opposition is sitting 4 kids on the drop off line.the bigger point you make is being comfortable in possession which is the main goal.as far as losing games and walking away,again i can understand the point.hopefully we as parents and coaches can emphasise the good out of any situation and keep them encouraged.it does work the other way though.i saw a team of little kids crying after a loss one day but one of the dads told mean it was only the 2nd game theyd lost all year.sometimes winning all the time can create just as big a problem down the line if not managed well.

[Alan]

sorry for the rant everyone.

Not at all sapdad! You make great points!

A

[Retired01]

I do think it comes back to the coaching and the traits the coach push onto the kids and I reckon its there to be seen at times. I may be speaking out of turn here but others seem to and here I go on the U11s
Broadmeadows 2 teams play with the idea of structure using new skills.
Olympic 1 of theirs teams focus on strategy and skills. 1 doesn't and just use the strong kids to stay on top
Lambton have gone away from structural skills and I guess that's because the new boys need to be bought up to SAP level
New Lambton their A team always plays based on skills and strategy and their B team lacked the depth to fully do it
Valentine have no focus on the curriculum and their A team has the skills but its not a priority
Edgeworth Ive heard change their teams each week so no wonder kids cant grasp teamwork

[Alan]

I do think it comes back to the coaching and the traits the coach push onto the kids and I reckon its there to be seen at times. I may be speaking out of turn here but others seem to and here I go on the U11s
Broadmeadows 2 teams play with the idea of structure using new skills.
Olympic 1 of theirs teams focus on strategy and skills. 1 doesn't and just use the strong kids to stay on top
Lambton have gone away from structural skills and I guess that's because the new boys need to be bought up to SAP level
New Lambton their A team always plays based on skills and strategy and their B team lacked the depth to fully do it
Valentine have no focus on the curriculum and their A team has the skills but its not a priority
Edgeworth Ive heard change their teams each week so no wonder kids cant grasp teamwork

My son's team have not played all the teams you've mentioned this year but obviously did so last year. Your points definitely resonate to a large degree.

I am interested in the line about Jaffas. I understood that they went down to only one team so did not have a need for any new players. Are you saying they got rid of a team, and still had to bring in players?

A

[Aegon]

My son's team have not played all the teams you've mentioned this year but obviously did so last year. Your points definitely resonate to a large degree.

I am interested in the line about Jaffas. I understood that they went down to only one team so did not have a need for any new players. Are you saying they got rid of a team, and still had to bring in players?

A

1 kid at Jaffa’s stayed in the 10’s for a second year as he was playing an age up. I don’t know the details of how many were let go or how many were bought in for this years squad of 13.

[Retired01]

This is how you get caught up in opinions. I believe they bought a few boys from Community Clubs and Cook Hill a nd Merewether rings a bell upon advice of the new TD

[Aegon]

This is how you get caught up in opinions. I believe they bought a few boys from Community Clubs and Cook Hill a nd Merewether rings a bell upon advice of the new TD

I just had a look back through the comms from last year.

This years Jaffas 11's were selected before the 10's & 9's were. My son got his confirmation of selection on 19/8/19.

Jaffa's head of football was not appointed until 13/9/19. The details within the communication state that it was the coaches in conjunction with the club TD at the time who made the selections which was all prior to this appointment.

Speaking of which - This season has just started and going by last years timelines squad assessment and selections for 2021 are already due to start ramping up over the next month or 2.

[samcan]

I do think it comes back to the coaching and the traits the coach push onto the kids and I reckon its there to be seen at times. I may be speaking out of turn here but others seem to and here I go on the U11s
Broadmeadows 2 teams play with the idea of structure using new skills.
Olympic 1 of theirs teams focus on strategy and skills. 1 doesn't and just use the strong kids to stay on top
Lambton have gone away from structural skills and I guess that's because the new boys need to be bought up to SAP level
New Lambton their A team always plays based on skills and strategy and their B team lacked the depth to fully do it
Valentine have no focus on the curriculum and their A team has the skills but its not a priority
Edgeworth Ive heard change their teams each week so no wonder kids cant grasp teamwork

Thats quite a disappointing generalist speech for the coaches for those teams you have knocked.
Those "other" coaches maybe trying implementing similar tactics as the stronger team but kids having different abilities or strengths go about their game differently or arent able to deliver the same quality. Use your strengths and develop all the others as soon as possible. Too many people whining about having strong or quick players. Theyll be able to tica soon enough.

[Retired01]

Thats quite a disappointing generalist speech for the coaches for those teams you have knocked.
Those "other" coaches maybe trying implementing similar tactics as the stronger team but kids having different abilities or strengths go about their game differently or arent able to deliver the same quality. Use your strengths and develop all the others as soon as possible. Too many people whining about having strong or quick players. Theyll be able to tica soon enough.

I told everyone when I wrote my first comment that it was a generalized comment from observations and it did gain support. these team play everyweek at the same times and before and after and we have watched everyone over and over again for the past 2 seasons. I by no means condemn or support what coaches do and you need varying techniques to compete with different teams. As I said this is an observation from seeing the same kids and teams for a while where its my opinion and that only

[samcan]

My son's team have not played all the teams you've mentioned this year but obviously did so last year. Your points definitely resonate to a large degree.

I am interested in the line about Jaffas. I understood that they went down to only one team so did not have a need for any new players. Are you saying they got rid of a team, and still had to bring in players?

A

NNSW were discussing the 1 team format for 11s as the numbers in lower ages were growing large. Announcement was made early about going to one team when many clubs were still deciding about their teams. Had 2 good 10s teams, went to one, mistakes were probably made.

[samcan]

I told everyone when I wrote my first comment that it was a generalized comment from observations and it did gain support. these team play everyweek at the same times and before and after and we have watched everyone over and over again for the past 2 seasons. I by no means condemn or support what coaches do and you need varying techniques to compete with different teams. As I said this is an observation from seeing the same kids and teams for a while where its my opinion and that only

Nah, Doesnt excuse poor judgement or belittling those coaches who are probably trying extra hard. I couldnt be a coach. If you dont value strong players then youve lost the battle.

[Aegon]

NNSW were discussing the 1 team format for 11s as the numbers in lower ages were growing large. Announcement was made early about going to one team when many clubs were still deciding about their teams. Had 2 good 10s teams, went to one, mistakes were probably made.

Yup, totally agree. Jaffas made the early decision to go with one team, It would have been announced late July/early August. I'm fairly sure it was after this that NNSWF changed its tune and allowed for 2 teams.

TBF - Olympic now have 24 kids in their Under 11's age group and other clubs would have similiar numbers. They'll have to shed 8 or 9 kids when they move into NPL. People say Jaffas made a cynical call by cutting down to 1 team early. They probably disappointed 4-5 kids, but in the end will disappoint less than some of the other clubs n the long run.

[Alan]

TBF - Olympic now have 24 kids in their Under 11's age group and other clubs would have similiar numbers. They'll have to shed 8 or 9 kids when they move into NPL. People say Jaffas made a cynical call by cutting down to 1 team early. They probably disappointed 4-5 kids, but in the end will disappoint less than some of the other clubs n the long run.

While this is true Aegon, and perhaps I am an old cynic (I am pretty old!), but Jaffas may have burnt some bridges when it comes to recruiting later on. I have heard a parent of a boy released last year say that they would never go back. They thought they were not alone in feeling badly treated.

They are probably just be sore and will change their mind if an opportunity arises later on, but I think its good to remember to look after peoples feelings if you have to let them go. Kids and parents!! I am very proud of the way our club advises kids they have not made a team - personal phone call, with genuine feedback, and an offer of a place in our community teams to aid development. We always try to leave the door open.

A

[Alan]

Hi all,

A question on Northern's talent support program - has this returned post COVID postponement? Our club do not have any boys in the program so don't get to hear too much about it. I would like to know how things about going with it. Is there lack of technical director harming this? Does anyone know who the coaches are? Can any parents on here with a player involved share their experiences this season?

A

[Aegon]

Hi all,

A question on Northern's talent support program - has this returned post COVID postponement? Our club do not have any boys in the program so don't get to hear too much about it. I would like to know how things about going with it. Is there lack of technical director harming this? Does anyone know who the coaches are? Can any parents on here with a player involved share their experiences this season?

A

No idea sorry. You would think it has started back up though as most of the club programs for extra training have.

[Aegon]

While this is true Aegon, and perhaps I am an old cynic (I am pretty old!), but Jaffas may have burnt some bridges when it comes to recruiting later on. I have heard a parent of a boy released last year say that they would never go back. They thought they were not alone in feeling badly treated.

They are probably just be sore and will change their mind if an opportunity arises later on, but I think its good to remember to look after peoples feelings if you have to let them go. Kids and parents!! I am very proud of the way our club advises kids they have not made a team - personal phone call, with genuine feedback, and an offer of a place in our community teams to aid development. We always try to leave the door open.

A

At the end of the day when releasing a kid there is no way to keep everyone happy - I can't speak to individual circumstances but I know the club communicated that they selected their squads as early as possible in order to give the kids the maximum amount of time to find other teams.
I know at least 3 kids from last years Jaffas 10's are in the Olympic 11's this year. If the club were truly cynical and not caring about the kids situations they could have finalised teams much later and not offered advice or assistance on what their options were.

[Alan]

Hi guys,

Wasn’t sure if this is the best thread to ask this, but I’ve noticed a few clubs are announcing an “Academy” being run by big names with private academies. Namely Jobe with Edgy and Clayton Zane at New Lambton and:or Magic I think. What’s the go with these? Are clubs paying big $$ to get these guys in, or are clubs being used to push private academies? I hope it’s that former!

I’d love to hear more what kids and clubs get from the arrangement.

A

[Alan]

I do think it comes back to the coaching and the traits the coach push onto the kids and I reckon its there to be seen at times. I may be speaking out of turn here but others seem to and here I go on the U11s
Broadmeadows 2 teams play with the idea of structure using new skills.
Olympic 1 of theirs teams focus on strategy and skills. 1 doesn't and just use the strong kids to stay on top
Lambton have gone away from structural skills and I guess that's because the new boys need to be bought up to SAP level
New Lambton their A team always plays based on skills and strategy and their B team lacked the depth to fully do it
Valentine have no focus on the curriculum and their A team has the skills but its not a priority
Edgeworth Ive heard change their teams each week so no wonder kids cant grasp teamwork

I’d like to revisit my statements to this post I made recently, and give a mention to the Olympic U11 teams who’ve I’ve seen a couple of times in recent weeks. They are both very, very good. In fact I’d say they are probably the best two sides I’ve seen in the comp this year. On what I’ve seen they will be very strong in the next few years unless they lose their best kids to the Jets.

Magic appear to have a clear A and B team this year, which seems to be the way with most 11s. Have they lost players or have Magic gone down the A and B team track?

A

[Yaa Yaa]

I’d like to revisit my statements to this post I made recently, and give a mention to the Olympic U11 teams who’ve I’ve seen a couple of times in recent weeks. They are both very, very good. In fact I’d say they are probably the best two sides I’ve seen in the comp this year. On what I’ve seen they will be very strong in the next few years unless they lose their best kids to the Jets.

Magic appear to have a clear A and B team this year, which seems to be the way with most 11s. Have they lost players or have Magic gone down the A and B team track?

A
You Sound like an Olympic dad or committee member trying to give them a pump to make the tsp or jets 🤣🤣
One of those best sides you speak of had trouble beating a very undermanned magic team last week I’m told that had to borrow under 10s players to help due to injury. Would be interesting to see how they go with all kids available.

[samcan]

And there it is.

cryfest from the upset magic crew. You guys cry for weeks if a throwin goes the wrong way. what a culture :wacko:

[Yaa Yaa]

And there it is.

cryfest from the upset magic crew. You guys cry for weeks if a throwin goes the wrong way. what a culture :wacko:

Awww poor didums, Who said I’m magic “crew”. You sound like a salty dad. From what I’m reading here it seems like the culture there is pretty good to me but you can’t believe everything you read in this forum 🤦🏻*♂️. And throw ins are very important.

[Alan]

You Sound like an Olympic dad or committee member trying to give them a pump to make the tsp or jets ����
One of those best sides you speak of had trouble beating a very undermanned magic team last week I’m told that had to borrow under 10s players to help due to injury. Would be interesting to see how they go with all kids available.

Sorry to disappoint Yaa Yaa but I am not involved with Olympic. I was at the facility last week and did catch some of the games you speak of. What I saw - and I watched some of both games so couldn't tell you a "result" in either - was two very strong Olympic teams and one very strong Magic team. Now, I am not sure which Magic team was undermanned, but one game appeared very close and the other did not. In the close game both teams were really good and evenly matched. In the other Olympic were dominate.

If Magic were missing players as you say, I 100% agree - it would be interesting to watch again. But then again competitive soccer is always good to see!

A

[Beaver]

No idea sorry. You would think it has started back up though as most of the club programs for extra training have. NO THE SAP&Npl tsp programs have not restarted

[Retired01]

You Sound like an Olympic dad or committee member trying to give them a pump to make the tsp or jets ����
One of those best sides you speak of had trouble beating a very undermanned magic team last week I’m told that had to borrow under 10s players to help due to injury. Would be interesting to see how they go with all kids available.

Thats just a crap comment. Id heard from my contacts that the top 2 Olympic Magic teams had an amazing game last week where either team deserved to win. Then you come on here making excuses for 10yos to protect what? Your ego?
There are so many variables each week for boys just like adults in sport. I hope you went back to your family after that comment and bragged how you put down 10yos having fun and I expect if either team won by 5 you would be crowing the other team is garbage.
Idiot

[Aegon]

NO THE SAP&Npl tsp programs have not restarted

Have any reasons been provided as to why? I understand they are a bit under resourced at the moment but the ongoing development of these kids should be one of their key priorities.

[ABCDEF]

Thats just a crap comment. Id heard from my contacts that the top 2 Olympic Magic teams had an amazing game last week where either team deserved to win. Then you come on here making excuses for 10yos to protect what? Your ego?
There are so many variables each week for boys just like adults in sport. I hope you went back to your family after that comment and bragged how you put down 10yos having fun and I expect if either team won by 5 you would be crowing the other team is garbage.
Idiot


I don’t understand the point of u guys arguing like children about this. It’s junior football and it doesn’t mean anything who wins, it’s about development as players as well as people. From experience, trust me that by the time all these kids turn 18/19, the majority have either left the club to play at a weaker level or are not playing. Parents of these sides all think their children r world beaters (nothing wrong with supporting ur child), but they don’t understand the reality that only 2-3 of the kids there when they are 13 are still there by 18.

[samcan]

I don’t understand the point of u guys arguing like children about this. It’s junior football and it doesn’t mean anything who wins, it’s about development as players as well as people. From experience, trust me that by the time all these kids turn 18/19, the majority have either left the club to play at a weaker level or are not playing. Parents of these sides all think their children r world beaters (nothing wrong with supporting ur child), but they don’t understand the reality that only 2-3 of the kids there when they are 13 are still there by 18.

Well said. I think most of us know this.

i wonder how many of these current SAP/NPL kids will actually earn a dollar out of it. Out of all junior NPL and NPL 1 teams maybe 1 player from each year?

Another note. This year In u14's there are around 375 U14s players in NBN & Newfm comps and another 375 in community u14s in 3 grades.
So half of this age players are considered elitish?

[ABCDEF]

I mean with COVID there r probably less community teams and players this year compared to normal. You’re right, I’ve watched NewFM games and generally the standard is very poor in comparison to NPL, which isn’t that great either when compared to other NPLs around the country. I get we have a smaller population so the quality is lower obviously to Sydney and Melbourne, but parents need to understand that NPL is not elite unfortunately.

A reason for this is the amount of games played in a season. Especially for ur 18s and reserve grade which is mostly kids as well, they play 18 games (less this year because of COVID) while 13-16s play 22. European countries play 30-40 game seasons and we wonder why we arnt producing good Socceroos...

[cobra23]

I mean with COVID there r probably less community teams and players this year compared to normal. You’re right, I’ve watched NewFM games and generally the standard is very poor in comparison to NPL, which isn’t that great either when compared to other NPLs around the country. I get we have a smaller population so the quality is lower obviously to Sydney and Melbourne, but parents need to understand that NPL is not elite unfortunately.

A reason for this is the amount of games played in a season. Especially for ur 18s and reserve grade which is mostly kids as well, they play 18 games (less this year because of COVID) while 13-16s play 22. European countries play 30-40 game seasons and we wonder why we arnt producing good Socceroos...

unfortunately telling this story over and over and is like sending Santa clause a wish list. our Santa Claus is NNSW Football and like Santa they don't exist