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Aegon
26-10-2019, 03:50 PM
Just saw Newysports post. Pretty sure no club will allow them back to cover the division.

outsider
26-10-2019, 04:24 PM
Just saw Newysports post. Pretty sure no club will allow them back to cover the division.

Check the next post-NewySports is GORN-and rightfully so

boz-monaut
26-10-2019, 04:35 PM
holy shit

I'd let this guy into our club

outsider
26-10-2019, 06:40 PM
holy shit

I'd let this guy into our club

you would or you would have-read the posts on Newysports and see his comments and the replies-no way Hose

boz-monaut
26-10-2019, 07:17 PM
this is why they often make sex offendors disclose to everyone they come into contact with

I am utterly shocked and horrified by this, although I don't know any more about this that I've read on that facebook post (which sounded like a suicide note to me)

and theres none of this 'he was a nice bloke' shit - he clearly wasn't, even though he may have pretended to be nice to those who trusted him

boz-monaut
26-10-2019, 07:25 PM
you would or you would have-read the posts on Newysports and see his comments and the replies-no way Hose
no, as in I was the one who registered him as a player all those years ago

clearly I would not have allowed him anywhere near the club had I known

nor would any other club, let's face it

Imyourhero
26-10-2019, 07:45 PM
I always thought the bloke was just on the spectrum hence his social inept behaviour over the years. God was I wrong....

Aegon
26-10-2019, 07:58 PM
I’m just more stunned that the authorities were happy for him to run newysports. How many clubs allowed him access without knowing his inclinations and that he’d never pass a WWC check.

boz-monaut
26-10-2019, 07:59 PM
yeah same

I mean I feel like the way with that Jimmy Savile British nonce you'd take one look at him and clearly the guy's a pedo - how did anyone ever trust him?

how did we all mistake this for just awkwardness?

Imyourhero
26-10-2019, 08:10 PM
I'm not so upset about the concept of his deluded into thinking it was appropriate to cover sporting games but I am very upset at 1. His family/friends etc who knew his past history and 2. the authorities or whoever manages his activity.
It's like giving a crack addict crack and getting him to promise not to do anything with it.

Aegon
26-10-2019, 08:15 PM
I'm not so upset about the concept of his deluded into thinking it was appropriate to cover sporting games but I am very upset at 1. His family/friends etc who knew his past history and 2. the authorities or whoever manages his activity.
It's like giving a crack addict crack and getting him to promise not to do anything with it.

Yup 100%. Both have a lot to answer for.

boz-monaut
26-10-2019, 08:16 PM
yeah same - I think I met his mum back when I registered him and nothing was disclosed to me

I mean I'm pissed and disgusted and utterly ropable about this - and I say this not knowing anything about what has happened, but this is nothing compared to his victims

Imyourhero
26-10-2019, 08:23 PM
Unfortunate for the league as despite all these developments the coverage of the league in general was a good thing. Unlikely to see anything done like this again.
Looks like the foz will be the new place to discuss rumours and results!

Goatscheese
27-10-2019, 10:15 PM
yeah same - I think I met his mum back when I registered him and nothing was disclosed to me

I mean I'm pissed and disgusted and utterly ropable about this - and I say this not knowing anything about what has happened, but this is nothing compared to his victims

If you're talking about Kahibah, he isn't the only convicted sex offender to have played for the club. One of your all-age players did time for rape though he has since now gone to Kotara South.

boz-monaut
28-10-2019, 08:08 AM
no I wasn't talking about Kahibah - but this highlights an issue that there's a lot of clubs out there, all NewFM clubs really and the associations, who haven't made him do a working with children check

even though this was just adult football he was covering all games on the days, including youth games

clubs, the associations and even the police talking to the clubs if they knew - how did this fall through the cracks?

The Hacker
28-10-2019, 09:10 AM
I go away for 2 week thinking there is nothing doing the odd coaching change. What the hell have I missed

Bon
28-10-2019, 09:11 AM
I go away for 2 week thinking there is nothing doing the odd coaching change. What the hell have I missed

Mate, I'm wondering the same thing....

pv4
28-10-2019, 09:14 AM
If we as a community want to deal with the issue, I think we all need to just never ever mention the dude again. Let him disappear into obscurity as if he never existed. This will damage him more than being talked about negatively, I can nearly guarentee it.

Let NNSW admin, and the clubs themselves, work PRIVATELY on banning this character and setting up systems in future to prevent similar scenarios happen.

But otherwise we as a community shouldn't mention him again, as there's no such thing as bad press and being talked about will be the thing that keeps the dude relevant.

boz-monaut
28-10-2019, 09:39 AM
he's definitely persona non grata as far as I'm concerned but is that the solution?

put the word newysports as a blocked word on this forum, wipe all records of him from history?

I think that's a good idea but it should just be the start - from now on all club volunteers should have a check done

I know I won't be as trusting, particularly with anyone who is a bit weird looking like he was

Dontknowmuch
28-10-2019, 11:28 AM
he's definitely persona non grata as far as I'm concerned but is that the solution?

put the word newysports as a blocked word on this forum, wipe all records of him from history?

I think that's a good idea but it should just be the start - from now on all club volunteers should have a check done

I know I won't be as trusting, particularly with anyone who is a bit weird looking like he was

All official club volunteers should already have a WWCC, unfortunately the amount of rights these convicted people get are ridiculous. People like this guy who are just fans or maybe relations to players don't have to declare their convictions and therefore can participate in club activities, work in canteens, take photos etc without anyone having any knowledge. Players don't even have to complete a WWCC. It's disgusting there is no way for any of us to check, even if there is one living next door to us.

boz-monaut
28-10-2019, 11:44 AM
it's worse than that - medical staff aren't actually allowed to tell others of convictions for this sort of shit, even when organising accommodation somewhere like Ronald McDonald house - although they often will say that there is a conviction but they're unable to provide details

should this convo be moved to a separate thread? avoid tarnishing this competition any more?

Goatscheese
28-10-2019, 08:42 PM
clubs, the associations and een the police talking to the clubs if they knew - how did this fall through the cracks?

Are you going to ask for a WWCC for everyone that comes through the gates?

Goatscheese
28-10-2019, 08:43 PM
I know I won't be as trusting, particularly with anyone who is a bit weird looking like he was

While he was, the ones that tend to get done for abuse not just obtaining CP are the ones most trust worthy, likeable and generally appear normal and confident.

ForeverRed
28-10-2019, 08:45 PM
There’s a certain ex referee who’s a convicted rock spider and is now a referee inspector

The Hacker
28-10-2019, 09:37 PM
Has anyone got a copy of the post for those that missed it. That way people that comment have the facts

Thomas477
28-10-2019, 09:47 PM
I’ve been involved in three referee branches as an adult, and only Macquarie required me to get a WWCC, and that was only because I was mentoring/assessing (or inspecting in the old terms).

As I said, I have a WWCC, but to referee with state league I have never had to supply it, nor during my time with Newcastle did I require one.

It’s not just a players or club volunteers issue, it’s something that, unfortunately, I think everyone has to have. Who’s to say the o/35s or all age players won’t come up against young kids in another team. Same with referees, given how low on numbers we are, how many times do you see adults involved in the young ages to help cover the shortage?

plague
28-10-2019, 10:26 PM
how many times do you see adults involved in the young ages to help cover the shortage?

exactly, and it shouldn't be up to already overextended club admins to have to be cops as well and check up on everyone putting out the cones at training.

i've had to get a WWCC for volunteer work (i passed btw) but i swear it was one box ticked on one for the year i started and nothings been done since.

honestly, for things like sporting clubs, the people in and around the club have direct ties to kids in the club so you'd have to assume 99.99% of them are not only good people, but would be very protective of the kids. unfortunately no system would make that number 100%.

Bremsstrahlung
29-10-2019, 05:24 AM
I think a lot of clubs and and associations can learn from this. If it brings about change and makes some people think “hmmm maybe I should get the WWCC on this person” or make it routine, then that’s a positive.

I’m pretty sure there’s a volunteer version of the WWCC that is free, if just can’t be used for paid employment. But I think it should be able to be used for “community” work like refereeing as it’s rarely somebody’s main income.

I need one for my job. And I got it about 3 years ago when it first become WWCC instead of a CRC, and I think it lasts 5 years before you need to renew.
I’m not sure the processes involved if there is a conviction after you attain the WWCC, or if organisations would diligently type in the details to check it all is legit.

I guess it highlights how easy it could be and how trusting people in the football community are.

riverboy
29-10-2019, 07:08 AM
Has anyone got a copy of the post for those that missed it. That way people that comment have the facts

Can someone add the copy, I haven't seen it. I can't access Facebook as I haven't used it for ages and forgot password

Aegon
29-10-2019, 09:45 AM
The newysports facebook page has been removed including the original post. Sorry I didn'y save the post or anything.

A quick summary from what I can remember.

He had been absent since April-May and was now returning to cover the comp, etc. Admitted he had been in gaol for 90 days. After questioning from people as to why he was in gaol, he admitted that he was in for possession of underage material. Tried to sell it as being on the minor end of the scale and thats why he only did 90days.
A second post went into more detail where he said he was initially convicted in 2012 when he was 18 and has never been able to apply for a WWCC as he would not get one.

There was a whole bunch more waffle, excuses, etc but in the end he decided to remove newysports facebook page and discontinue his coverage of the division.

Premy
29-10-2019, 09:53 AM
Can someone add the copy, I haven't seen it. I can't access Facebook as I haven't used it for ages and forgot password

The page has been deleted.

It was spread across a couple of post and in the comments section of those post. Ty was arrested back in 2012 when he was 18 for being in possession of Child Pornography, he was sentenced to 150hours community service, 3 years probation and registered as a sex offender. He got arrested back in June this year for what I’m unsure of fully, he was sentenced to 3 months jail.
In the post and comments he showed little remorse for his actions saying that his offences were in “the lower end” and his crimes were victimless. One of the post he came out as homosexual and it came across as a suicide note.
He expressed that NewySports was the only thing that he cared about and he hoped that he would be able to continue doing that.

That’s a basic summary, hope it helps.

riverboy
29-10-2019, 01:45 PM
There is a pretty big line. Cross it and you have done the wrong thing and the courts will penalise offenders accordingly.

The game and himself need to move on in different directions and get on with it.

Aegon
29-10-2019, 01:54 PM
The game and himself need to move on in different directions and get on with it.

True, It's a shame for the division because it was coverage they would never normally receive. However there is no way any sane club would ever go near the bloke with a 10 foot pole.

Hopefully someone else can step up and provide some level of coverage for the division because NNSW, media, etc show no interest in the division at all.

hamburgler
29-10-2019, 02:56 PM
True, It's a shame for the division because it was coverage they would never normally receive. However there is no way any sane club would ever go near the bloke with a 10 foot pole.

Hopefully someone else can step up and provide some level of coverage for the division because NNSW, media, etc show no interest in the division at all.

Agree completely.

There was a lady who commented on one of the posts on the weekend offering to cover New FM.

Think her surname was Llewelyn.

Hope she does!

boz-monaut
29-10-2019, 03:24 PM
I'll post his bullshit tonight - it's pretty sickening and self pitying

croy
29-10-2019, 04:01 PM
I'll post his bullshit tonight - it's pretty sickening and self pitying

https://imgur.com/a/7ZL8bVF

Missing the initial post, but this was the juicy stuff

EH9
29-10-2019, 07:14 PM
One of the post he came out as homosexual and it came across as a suicide note.


Not to mention saying he had been eyeing up kids in the Under 17's :wtf:

MFKS
29-10-2019, 07:17 PM
Hopefully this guy gets some help

Don't know him personally but he seems to have some issues he needs some help addressing

That not agreeing with his behaviour at all

Just recognising this guy needs some help

boz-monaut
29-10-2019, 07:33 PM
I think the world is a better place without sex pests like this

why risk him ruining other young lives so he can get a few moments of sick pleasure?

Frodo
29-10-2019, 07:58 PM
I think the world is a better place without sex pests like this

why risk him ruining other young lives so he can get a few moments of sick pleasure?

Are you advocating for his death or something? Or just a generalised statement that they are bad and we wish they didn't exist in the first place?

plague
29-10-2019, 08:43 PM
Hopefully this guy gets some help

Don't know him personally but he seems to have some issues he needs some help addressing

That not agreeing with his behaviour at all

Just recognising this guy needs some help

yeah even though its a pretty socially unacceptable crime, this blokes condition is no different to alcoholism, drug addiction, gambling etc. We as a society seem to be more accepting of tolerating people getting 'fixed' of these diseases than we are with the stuff this bloke has been accused (and convicted) of.
One small, and seemingly pedantic point is that it 'sounded' like he was in possession of illicit material, and not charged with any 'physical' abuse against a kid. Im certain one thing eventually leads to another, but hopefully now that its out in the open he can hopefully get help before the situation becomes worse.
Regardless, his removal from any contact with kids is the bare minimum. But lynching the bloke at this stage prob isnt the answer either (just on that i dont think Mr Boz is advocating for his death).
The social media posts def sounds like he was coming to terms with some demons, and his mum could def have said 75% less words and had 750% more impact.

Goatscheese
29-10-2019, 08:47 PM
One of the post he came out as homosexual.

Which I think blaming that as the reason for his actions is disgustingly insulting.

boz-monaut
29-10-2019, 09:09 PM
same goat

and I admit i have rather strong attitudes toward pedos - it is the only crime I believe in capital punishment for - although probably not in 'minor cases like this

plague
29-10-2019, 09:41 PM
Which I think blaming that as the reason for his actions is disgustingly insulting.

i didnt see it as 'blaming it'. buddy seemed on a roll letting a LOT of stuff out. hes probably never said these words voluntarily to anyone in his life.
its prob a big moment and it all just came out in one big hit.
he prob got a lot off his chest and maybe he can start to deal openly with his issues.

traffic light
29-10-2019, 11:13 PM
same goat

and I admit i have rather strong attitudes toward pedos - it is the only crime I believe in capital punishment for - although probably not in 'minor cases like this

There is one other. Proven unprovoked murder must be put in first. We even pay for the bastards to live. Money could be spent on helping victims or medical assistance.

His mum trying to defend or compare this issue to a traffic offence is a disgrace. Not only did she get banged up with many kids who she couldnt support, dad couldnt have been any better, then she ran home for her mum to work and support her.

Bremsstrahlung
29-10-2019, 11:23 PM
Not to mention saying he had been eyeing up kids in the Under 17's :wtf:

I originally missed the initial post. But when i read this, it was the worst part for me.

Without details, from what was written, I could somewhat understand a just 18 year old being in possession. I dare say a large portion of high school kids under 18 have some underage material. By no means do I condone this, just saying that there could have been a misunderstanding or at the bare minimum a naivety on his behalf and need for help.

The lack of remorse and attempts at justification were frustrating to read. Sometimes it’s better not to say anything.
And I was doing okay, separating these actions from the football side of thing and the work of newysports. But when I read the part about under 17s, it definitely sounded predatory. And showed that it had crossed over to the football community and showed there is ongoing issues and it wasn’t just a once off or a mistake made when younger.


I hope he gets the help he obviously needs. In the meantime, I doubt he would be welcomed to any ground to watch football (is this even allowed as a sex offender?!?!?)


At the very least, there is awareness that this can happen, has happened and club officials can be mindful of this and it may prompt people to ask for a WWCC in the future if they get bad vibes Which is a good thing and will hopefully help protect our children in football, where they should be safe.

Frodo
29-10-2019, 11:33 PM
There is one other. Proven unprovoked murder must be put in first. We even pay for the bastards to live. Money could be spent on helping victims or medical assistance.

His mum trying to defend or compare this issue to a traffic offence is a disgrace. Not only did she get banged up with many kids who she couldnt support, dad couldnt have been any better, then she ran home for her mum to work and support her.

This doesn't help or add anything to the discussion at hand. Also, way to throw his mum under the bus needlessly. You seem like a top bloke....

MFKS
30-10-2019, 12:52 AM
I originally missed the initial post. But when i read this, it was the worst part for me.

Without details, from what was written, I could somewhat understand a just 18 year old being in possession. I dare say a large portion of high school kids under 18 have some underage material. By no means do I condone this, just saying that there could have been a misunderstanding or at the bare minimum a naivety on his behalf and need for help.

The lack of remorse and attempts at justification were frustrating to read. Sometimes it’s better not to say anything.
And I was doing okay, separating these actions from the football side of thing and the work of newysports. But when I read the part about under 17s, it definitely sounded predatory. And showed that it had crossed over to the football community and showed there is ongoing issues and it wasn’t just a once off or a mistake made when younger.


I hope he gets the help he obviously needs. In the meantime, I doubt he would be welcomed to any ground to watch football (is this even allowed as a sex offender?!?!?)


At the very least, there is awareness that this can happen, has happened and club officials can be mindful of this and it may prompt people to ask for a WWCC in the future if they get bad vibes Which is a good thing and will hopefully help protect our children in football, where they should be safe.

Lack of Remorse??

The bloke has some ****ed up issues going on that most of us can't really grasp what he is dealing with because we ain't walked in his path
Why you are worried about his level of remorse in a Facebook post is bizarre

He just getting shit out in the open and off his chest. If anything it does take a degree of bravery to post the stuff he did. The repercussions for him outing himself as he did with that post are going to be a lot more steeper than he thinks

As for your point about him being interested in people in u17s being that the age of consent in this country is 16 I don't see how old mate is doing anything wrong by being interested in those who are most likely 16 or 17 anyway.

Aegon
30-10-2019, 08:19 AM
i didnt see it as 'blaming it'. buddy seemed on a roll letting a LOT of stuff out. hes probably never said these words voluntarily to anyone in his life.
its prob a big moment and it all just came out in one big hit.
he prob got a lot off his chest and maybe he can start to deal openly with his issues.

I got the same feeling.
Considering all the religious connotations and the references from his mum about Israel Folau, I think he's probably hates himself for something he thinks is a sin.
Absolutely ridiculous in this day and age.

Hopefully accepting his own sexuality is the next step in him never committing despicable crimes again.

Roundball Enthusiast
30-10-2019, 09:11 AM
As for your point about him being interested in people in u17s being that the age of consent in this country is 16 I don't see how old mate is doing anything wrong by being interested in those who are most likely 16 or 17 anyway.

Except for the fact that the age of consent (in NSW) for homosexuals is 18. Not 16 like in heterosexuals.

hamburgler
30-10-2019, 09:53 AM
Many teenagers, some as young as 13 & 14, willingly and knowingly send explicit images of themselves via socials. It happens a lot.

I think we would all be surprised how many teenagers have such images of people under legal age on their phones.

Not in anyway condoning his behavior and very disturbing predatory comments no doubt on his page before deletion, but reality is many many young people have explicit images on their phones

MFKS
30-10-2019, 10:00 AM
Except for the fact that the age of consent (in NSW) for homosexuals is 18. Not 16 like in heterosexuals.

That may well been the case in the past but that has been changed now for approx 15 years to make heterosexual and homosexual consent offences the same

So you may want to check your sauces on that one

pv4
30-10-2019, 10:10 AM
That may well been the case in the past but that has been changed now for approx 15 years to make heterosexual and homosexual consent offences the same

So you may want to check your sauces on that one

Sauce check

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/lgbti/publications/human-rights-australias-gays-and-lesbians-1997#Heading145


Age of consent laws
There is no consistency in the laws of the States and Territories on the age of consent to sex.

In the ACT the age of consent for both heterosexual and homosexual intercourse is 16 years. In NSW and Queensland the age of consent is 16 years for heterosexual sex and 18 years for homosexual sex. In South Australia the age of consent for both heterosexual and homosexual sex is 17 years. In the Northern Territory the age of sexual consent is 16 years for girls and 18 years for boys.

Roundball Enthusiast
30-10-2019, 10:14 AM
That may well been the case in the past but that has been changed now for approx 15 years to make heterosexual and homosexual consent offences the same

So you may want to check your sauces on that one

Always sauce check before getting yourself covered in mayo.

Frodo
30-10-2019, 11:30 AM
Always sauce check before getting yourself covered in mayo.

Probably an inappropriate time for a humble brag considering the topic and also the fact that it doesn't really change the members point much.

Roundball Enthusiast
30-10-2019, 11:37 AM
Probably an inappropriate time for a humble brag considering the topic and also the fact that it doesn't really change the members point much.

Except for the fact it completely changes his point. He was talking about the fact its 'ok to look and think about people who are 17 because it's legal', when in fact its completely ILLEGAL.

And as for your humblebrag comment, I'll brag all ****ing night and day about ensuring people know ITS ILLEGAL TO TARGET PEOPLE WHO ARE UNDERAGE.

Frodo
30-10-2019, 11:43 AM
Fair bit of conjecture in here regarding what he did and how far along the scale of bad it was. We don't know exactly what the pictures were of and/or if he acted on any thoughts that came into his head when in the vicinity of the boys who were old enough to share a locker with the adults in the team. Hopefully no one has been hurt by his actions in the past and that him getting caught stops anything from moving further down that scale of bad.


As someone said earlier, what he did was wrong and obviously illegal but it is a positive that he knows himself that what he did was wrong. Hopefully no one on this forum is sending him death threats or telling him to commit suicide, etc. I'd be more than happy to personally explain to someone who has wished him harm for this the reasons why that's a disgusting thing to do to anyone. I hope he gets help and the fact that he walked away from something that we can all tell meant a lot to him in order to do so is also a good start.

Hopefully one effect of this story is that clubs may start pushing for WWC checks for all involved. As an outsider who has never been involved in the running of a football club, I assumed they were mandatory for anyone working at a junior level. I can definitely see why they aren't tho, not trying to blame anyone for the current standard.

Also, Having organised them for crews going into schools to do construction work and having a teacher as a partner, I can tell you that they are very quick and easy to do. It's a very small check that could hopefully save some poor kid from something unthinkable happening to them.

Roundball Enthusiast
30-10-2019, 11:48 AM
Hopefully one effect of this story is that clubs may start pushing for WWC checks for all involved. As an outsider who has never been involved in the running of a football club, I assumed they were mandatory for anyone working at a junior level. I can definitely see why they aren't tho, not trying to blame anyone for the current standard.


To be a coach/manager of a junior team or a fulltime volunteer, you need to have a WWC check. As a tag-along/volunteer not involved daily, you don't need to have one. I think that's where the issue lies.

It's hard to get people who occasionally help out to get one or force everyone who turns up on match day to have one...

However, we're talking about CHILDRENS safety, so I don't think there should be a conversation around the increased effort to ensure children are safe from predators.

Frodo
30-10-2019, 11:56 AM
Except for the fact it completely changes his point. He was talking about the fact its 'ok to look and think about people who are 17 because it's legal', when in fact its completely ILLEGAL.

And as for your humblebrag comment, I'll brag all ****ing night and day about ensuring people know ITS ILLEGAL TO TARGET PEOPLE WHO ARE UNDERAGE.

Ok, firstly here's a gold star for explaining that there is a difference between that age that a heterosexual teenager and a homosexual teenager are legally allowed to consent to sex. Seems kid of odd that two 17 yr old guys can't do the horizontal tango when their straight counterparts can hump away for an extra 2 years.

But don't forget that no one knows about any sexual relationships between him and these kids or anything even approaching that. So your outrage is pretty unwarranted either way.

MFKS
30-10-2019, 12:04 PM
Sauce check

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/lgbti/publications/human-rights-australias-gays-and-lesbians-1997#Heading145

Sauce check

You are presenting a paper written in 1997 as your sauce



Might go check your sauce before you get covered in it

MFKS
30-10-2019, 12:34 PM
https://education.nsw.gov.au/about-us/rights-and-accountability/legal-issues-bulletins/bulletin-32-age-of-consent-and-related-sexual-offences

That is a summary from the NSW government from 2019

If you scroll down a little you will see what it has to say on age of consent

https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/sexuality/agenda/article/2016/08/12/definitive-timeline-lgbt-rights-australia
2003 on the Leftist SBS sites Timeline of LGBT rights says when the field was evened out

https://aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/age-consent-laws
There is the federal government site who lists them all from around Australia



Maybe you should invest in some other search engine bar Google WLG

Because it all pretty easily accessible

Bremsstrahlung
30-10-2019, 12:57 PM
Lack of Remorse??

The bloke has some ****ed up issues going on that most of us can't really grasp what he is dealing with because we ain't walked in his path
Why you are worried about his level of remorse in a Facebook post is bizarre

He just getting shit out in the open and off his chest. If anything it does take a degree of bravery to post the stuff he did. The repercussions for him outing himself as he did with that post are going to be a lot more steeper than he thinks

As for your point about him being interested in people in u17s being that the age of consent in this country is 16 I don't see how old mate is doing anything wrong by being interested in those who are most likely 16 or 17 anyway.

Well, it may seem silly that we are debating over a Facebook post, but here we are, and last I checked you were actively involved in the conversation as well. So ridiculous for me, ridiculous for you.

Anyway. Each to their own. While I did see some acceptance and remorse, my overall feeling was that there was a lack of understanding, attempts to justify, excuses and by the sounds of it, not the first time. Without knowing details it’s technically impossible to to know.

For me, my only knowledge of this guy was newysports. When I first read about things it seemed like it was away from football, but when I read this, it linked these behaviours to his role at newysports and the access and power that it gave him. That didn’t sit well with me that newysports, something throughout his posts he had been saying was some kind of good vs evil trade off was actually tarnished with those thoughts. A role which saw countless photographs being taken. So consent is an interesting point here. I’m sure consent was given for the photographs under the understanding that they were being used for newysports. For any other purpose there was no consent.


He obviously has some issues and I hope he gets the help he needs. None of us really know the details. But he’s posted on a public forum and has opened that statement up for comment and discussion. People are entitled to feel and react in different ways. I don’t wish him harm. I hope he can rehabilitate.

The positive is that it’s prompting a lot of discussion about how easy it was to get trust and access. If it makes clubs think twice about somebody or implement WWCC, then that’s a positive.

Texas Ranger
30-10-2019, 02:14 PM
For those who have never done wrong or had an inappropriate thought, feel free to keep judging. For those who have publicly owned up to each and every failing in their life, feel free to keep judging. For those who know every element and understand what has happened in this particular case, including the actions and inner thoughts of this person, feel free to keep judging.
I myself (without knowing the facts) wish anyone in this position to get whatever help they need, improve themselves, and not be harassed into doing something that could end in terrible consequences.
I hate using social media to attack others. It has become a disgraceful tool in polarizing opinions without encouraging better understanding of why people have different views, and totally attacks freedom of opinions. But the ongoing reactions of some, most of whom I assume are also lacking all the facts of this case, are getting out of hand.

boz-monaut
30-10-2019, 02:26 PM
this thread is getting a bit off topic and into some dangerous territory

unless anyone has anything new to say or can give a compelling reason to keep it open, I suggest we delete it soon

and in the interests of deleting this character from history, I may ban the word newysports - thoughts?

Bremsstrahlung
30-10-2019, 02:30 PM
Just delete it.

Bull fighter
30-10-2019, 02:36 PM
yep delete

Texas Ranger
30-10-2019, 02:36 PM
No problem deleting the thread. Banning a name or word is way over the top and too much "Big Brother".

MFKS
30-10-2019, 02:51 PM
I am surprised it has lasted this long now

I didn't see the thread till yesterday and I am surprised Mods left it up that long already

pv4
30-10-2019, 03:33 PM
unless anyone has anything new to say or can give a compelling reason to keep it open, I suggest we delete it soon

It shouldn't have been created and posts moved to it in the first place.

Aegon
30-10-2019, 04:03 PM
Delete it, no need to ban a word though.

plague
30-10-2019, 04:24 PM
Just ban the Member for shits and giggles anyway.

Thomas477
30-10-2019, 05:17 PM
Just ban the Member for shits and giggles anyway.

Just unban him when he decides to do a sequel to his World Cup 2014 travel thread

plague
30-10-2019, 05:31 PM
He needs a ban because:
1. This is the most empathetic and rational hes ever been in a thread.

2. He's been luke warm in his praise for Ridenton when everyone else is bashing him. The real Member would have backed his boy all guns blazing.

Disc-race.

boz-monaut
30-10-2019, 07:07 PM
ok this thread has run it's course and the consensus seems to be to put this issue to rest