19/20 HAL Round 6 | Western United v Newcastle Jets | Sat 16/11/19 1930

[Jeterpool]

FIXTURE FACTS

We haven't played them before.


/post

[plague]

Never beaten them. Never even scored against them.
A record of failure against this lot.


Loose 6-1

[StannyCFCJET]

They have goals in them we don't so hard to see a win but fingers crossed

[Jeterpool]

They have goals in them we don't so hard to see a win but fingers crossed

But we've scored in every game this season.

It may be singular, not the plural, so your statement I guess holds true.

[MFKS]

But we've scored in every game this season.

It may be singular, not the plural, so your statement I guess holds true.

But we have also conceeded in every game as well

So with a record of scoring and conceding in every game this season and only scoring 1 a game we are 100% no chance of winning if it continues

[Jeterpool]

But we have also conceeded in every game as well

So with a record of scoring and conceding in every game this season and only scoring 1 a game we are 100% no chance of winning if it continues

Look at you, getting all statsy! Nice :)

[MFKS]

I actually think we will win this week

Just got a feeling we will

[Negative Police]

FIXTURE FACTS

We haven't played them before.

a team tog
/post
missed a few stats there

Current pts table we are behind
Goals for we are worse
Goals against we are worse
They bought well in off season and we 2bit pov asses just managed to get a team together
They are 5 minutes old and have built a better side then we have in the last 10 years
They have berisher we have hoffman

Any other unwanted truths before the delusional optimists crap their undies about being negative?

score? 2-0 to someone

[anfield]

Who is unavailable due to international duty for this game?

[Jeterpool]

Who is unavailable due to international duty for this game?

Burns, Arroyo and Ridenton

[StannyCFCJET]

Burns, Arroyo and Ridenton

Wait Arroyo? is not available as well? **** Hoff please save us

[MFKS]

Burns, Arroyo and Ridenton

****

No Arroyo and no Ridenton

That is 2 of our best players not playing

We no hope now

[anfield]

We need points this weekend. I would love to see 2 positional changes.
Let's move our most dangerous player Miller to Right Wing to have a greater impact on game.
Let's start Thurgate into centre midfield where Ridenton was.

Dimi Petratos really needs to dominate these games

[plague]

Let's move our most dangerous player Miller

depending on where people are sitting they are gonna read the word 'dangerous' two different ways there.

[anfield]

depending on where people are sitting they are gonna read the word 'dangerous' two different ways there.

Attacking wise I should say, looks threatening every time he goes forward.
My team would be
Gk moss
Rb johny k
Lb l jackson
Cb topor
Cb boogs
Cm stevie u
Cm angus t
Rw miller
Am dimi
Lw fitzy
Str hoff
Subs
Pretty much whoever is left including ben kanta, petratos boys, pat l

Reasoning, need goals. Hoff has shown in trials he can finish. Miller can add pace down flanks, fitzy had his best game for a few years and needs a run off games to get some confidence.

Thurgates prefered position is cm, lets give him a full game, is surely the long term option there.
Jackson not ideal left back but deserves another game. Good to see john k as right back

[Frodo]

Attacking wise I should say, looks threatening every time he goes forward.
My team would be
Gk moss
Rb johny k
Lb l jackson
Cb topor
Cb boogs
Cm stevie u
Cm angus t
Rw miller
Am dimi
Lw fitzy
Str hoff
Subs
Pretty much whoever is left including ben kanta, petratos boys, pat l

Reasoning, need goals. Hoff has shown in trials he can finish. Miller can add pace down flanks, fitzy had his best game for a few years and needs a run off games to get some confidence.

Thurgates prefered position is cm, lets give him a full game, is surely the long term option there.
Jackson not ideal left back but deserves another game. Good to see john k as right back

Wait.. We are missing our back up LB so you think it's a good idea to move our starting RB further up the pitch and move our LB across to the right side.

Basically, weaken the left side, as well as weaken the centre with Boogs back and hope that another fullback in attack (which would make us starting with 2 RBs in our front 3) will help us score goals?

That's a very hard No from me.

[Jeterpool]

Attacking wise I should say, looks threatening every time he goes forward.
My team would be
Gk moss
Rb johny k
Lb l jackson
Cb topor
Cb boogs
Cm stevie u
Cm angus t
Rw miller
Am dimi
Lw fitzy
Str hoff
Subs
Pretty much whoever is left including ben kanta, petratos boys, pat l

Reasoning, need goals. Hoff has shown in trials he can finish. Miller can add pace down flanks, fitzy had his best game for a few years and needs a run off games to get some confidence.

Thurgates prefered position is cm, lets give him a full game, is surely the long term option there.
Jackson not ideal left back but deserves another game. Good to see john k as right back

How would you adjust your formation with Boogaard being out? He's rated a 60-70% chance

[Frodo]

How would you adjust your formation with Boogaard being out? He's rated a 60-70% chance

Boogs at 60-70% is probably gonna have the same game as 100% fit Boogs anyway.

[Jeterpool]

The two swaps I think Ernie will do is Thurgate for Arroyo with Hoff or Fitzgerald moving up top and Kanta coming in for Ridenton. Jackson will retain his spot.

[anfield]

How would you adjust your formation with Boogaard being out? He's rated a 60-70% chance

Kanta in straight swap

[anfield]

Wait.. We are missing our back up LB so you think it's a good idea to move our starting RB further up the pitch and move our LB across to the right side.

Basically, weaken the left side, as well as weaken the centre with Boogs back and hope that another fullback in attack (which would make us starting with 2 RBs in our front 3) will help us score goals?

That's a very hard No from me.

Understand your thoughts. But the facts are, we are on 2 points from 4 games. Lose another game and we are in deep you know what. We need points, we have a really good player in Wes H out til January. We need to be in the mix before he comes back, let's not give everyone a headstart.

Basically we are going to be weaker anyway we have 3 players unavailable this week plus the 2 attacking players that are already out. Thats 5 out, 3 off which are attack minded players, so we need to look at options.

Western United are an older team, probably the oldest in the league. Why not throw some pace at them?Especially with Durante and Gulum at the back and No Risdon available.

Miller best strengths are with the ball, he isn't in our top 5 defenders. Against Adelaide he constantly got caught too high up the park. Troisi and McGree killed us when the space opened up.

The only other option could be to keep john k as left back and give Pat Langlois an opportunity at right back. Miller for me at right wing is a must, thurgate at cm is a must for me as well. Pace and sharpness to combat the older Western United

[anfield]

If we didn't have the financial restraints an injury replacement would be extremely handy right about now...Especially a wide player or striker

[StannyCFCJET]

Attacking wise I should say, looks threatening every time he goes forward.
My team would be
Gk moss
Rb johny k
Lb l jackson
Cb topor
Cb boogs
Cm stevie u
Cm angus t
Rw miller
Am dimi
Lw fitzy
Str hoff
Subs
Pretty much whoever is left including ben kanta, petratos boys, pat l

Reasoning, need goals. Hoff has shown in trials he can finish. Miller can add pace down flanks, fitzy had his best game for a few years and needs a run off games to get some confidence.

Thurgates prefered position is cm, lets give him a full game, is surely the long term option there.
Jackson not ideal left back but deserves another game. Good to see john k as right back

Jackson and Topor need to stay as a partnership, Johnny needs to stay at LB, being out of form, last thing he needs is another position to get to grips with as he's only played LB this season.

Kanta and Ugar a must

Keep the attacking three and give Maki Petratos a run, Hoff does not do well at the point of attack

[plague]

We are 2 points off 1st place with lots of rounds to go.
Rest the players, put the youth in.
Sign Kale for a guest stint. Goals galore.


You guys gotta start thinking big picture here.

[anfield]

Jackson and Topor need to stay as a partnership, Johnny needs to stay at LB, being out of form, last thing he needs is another position to get to grips with as he's only played LB this season.

Kanta and Ugar a must

Keep the attacking three and give Maki Petratos a run, Hoff does not do well at the point of attack

Johny out of form?? He had a solid game Saturday, hoff played upfront in trials and scored heaps of goals.

[StannyCFCJET]

Johny out of form?? He had a solid game Saturday, hoff played upfront in trials and scored heaps of goals.

Terrible against Mariners and Sydney when the targeted him, Adelaide and Perth left him alone which was dumb

[Frodo]

Terrible against Mariners and Sydney when the targeted him, Adelaide and Perth left him alone which was dumb

So it was the oppositions fault that he played well?? Makes perfect sense...... Keep beating that drum Stanny, never concede.

[StannyCFCJET]

So it was the oppositions fault that he played well?? Makes perfect sense...... Keep beating that drum Stanny, never concede.

nah but if he got targeted like he did with those two teams based on this season, I dont have any faith he would've played any better

[plague]

Terrible against Mariners and Sydney when the targeted him, Adelaide and Perth left him alone which was dumb

agree with Mariners and Sydney games, his positioning for goals wasnt great.

he was fine against Adelaide and he had Castro on him all day against Perth but defended well. Castro went after him big time trying to create numbers in his area of the field.

Johnny K shut that shit down, with a good chunk of help from Topor.


gonna be fun though when Ernie breaks up the solid centre back pairing to bring Boogaard back in and shuffle Jackson off out wide or something bad.

love this team.

[StannyCFCJET]

agree with Mariners and Sydney games, his positioning for goals wasnt great.

he was fine against Adelaide and he had Castro on him all day against Perth but defended well. Castro went after him big time trying to create numbers in his area of the field.

Johnny K shut that shit down, with a good chunk of help from Topor.


gonna be fun though when Ernie breaks up the solid centre back pairing to bring Boogaard back in and shuffle Jackson off out wide or something bad.

love this team.

I felt Castro spent alot of time on our right hand side. Maybe I should watch games again (Shudder)

[la bazzle]

hoff played upfront in trials and scored heaps of goals.

This is why we will forever be shit. The Hoff up top has been tried and tried and tried. And failed miserably. Again and again and again. But hey let's try it one more time....

[380]

This is why we will forever be shit. The Hoff up top has been tried and tried and tried. And failed miserably. Again and again and again. But hey let's try it one more time....

This is exactly how it was for the first 8 weeks of last season. Club treating the competition and supporters with contempt.

[anfield]

This is why we will forever be shit. The Hoff up top has been tried and tried and tried. And failed miserably. Again and again and again. But hey let's try it one more time....

With 5 players out we can't be exactly picky. There isn't exactly a truckload of options.

[StannyCFCJET]

Also Hoff didn't score many ore season

[MFKS]

How would you adjust your formation with Boogaard being out? He's rated a 60-70% chance

He is a 60%-70% liability in defence regardless of how fit he is

[MFKS]

Attacking wise I should say, looks threatening every time he goes forward.
My team would be
Gk moss
Rb johny k
Lb l jackson
Cb topor
Cb boogs
Cm stevie u
Cm angus t
Rw miller
Am dimi
Lw fitzy
Str hoff
Subs
Pretty much whoever is left including ben kanta, petratos boys, pat l

Reasoning, need goals. Hoff has shown in trials he can finish. Miller can add pace down flanks, fitzy had his best game for a few years and needs a run off games to get some confidence.

Thurgates prefered position is cm, lets give him a full game, is surely the long term option there.
Jackson not ideal left back but deserves another game. Good to see john k as right back

You do realise Hoffman cost a grand final win because he couldn't finish??

Missed not 1 but 2 sitters with one of them being an empty net

I know we struggling for options but no ****ing way is this a legitimate option

Play Lachie Jackson up from before Hoffman plays 9

Hell play Johnny K up there seeing as we play him out of position every other week

[The Dunster]

You do realise Hoffman cost a grand final win because he couldn't finish??

I'm more concerned with our other players who failed to get into scoring positions than I am with Hoff.

[StannyCFCJET]

I'm more concerned with our other players who failed to get into scoring positions than I am with Hoff.

True at least he makes runs

[mic22]

Watch JohnnyK being torn apart by Diamanti...
I honestly have no faith in him at the moment, he had a big part in Perth's goal on Sunday too.
His passing has been bad.
He's not a LB, how many games do we have to lose to prove it?
Give Burns a chance: really, he can't be worse than JohnnyK.

[Hunter403]

Watch JohnnyK being torn apart by Diamanti...
I honestly have no faith in him at the moment, he had a big part in Perth's goal on Sunday too.
His passing has been bad.
He's not a LB, how many games do we have to lose to prove it?
Give Burns a chance: really, he can't be worse than JohnnyK.

Burns absent this weekend but I do tend to agree he needs a chance

[Jetkel]

Is there any other option then Hoff? I assume he & Fitz will share the role. We’ve just gotta go all in on the counter attack, which we do anyway, I don’t think we have any other option. We created enough last week on the counter to give some hope.

[StannyCFCJET]

Problems we've got 3 attackers who arnt known for goal scoring. Arroyo needs to get 10 goals this season and between Sheppard and Hoolohan I'd say we also need 10 but their injuries change things.

Also need say 5-10 goals between our 4 main midfielders but I can't see that happening. So no matter what we create, the chances just won't be put away

[MFKS]

Burns absent this weekend but I do tend to agree he needs a chance

If he ain't good enough to get a start in the side why should he be picked ??

If anything I would rather we switch Johnny K to the right and play Jackson there when Boogaard returns

If Burns ain't good enough to get a run in the SPL then he ain't good enough to get a run in our shit side

[anfield]

Also Hoff didn't score many ore season

Hoff scored 6 goals in pre season, 5 in one game vs the young Socceroos. His finish on Saturday was quality, Don't Hassle the Hoff.

Basically if he gets decent service, He should be able to put the ball in the net. But he is not the guy that will skip past 2-3 and fire into the top corner.

[StannyCFCJET]

Hoff scored 6 goals in pre season, 5 in one game vs the young Socceroos. His finish on Saturday was quality, Don't Hassle the Hoff.

Basically if he gets decent service, He should be able to put the ball in the net. But he is not the guy that will skip past 2-3 and fire into the top corner.

Im the biggest Hoff fan but he should not be our number 9

[la bazzle]

Basically if he gets decent service, He should be able to put the ball in the net. But he is not the guy that will skip past 2-3 and fire into the top corner.

I'm sorry but that's just not true. He get's chances created for him. Consistently. He consistently fluffs them, then he scores on the 50th attempt and we jump back on the merry-go-round. The chances from the Sydney game are a good example.

[380]

Anybody who thinks Hoff is the answer to number 9 should go and watch the first 8 games from last season not too mention the GF.

[Grimario]

Surely no one thinks he is the answer. Everyone thinks "Arroyo is off on Int duty and Sheppard is dead so Hoff will have to suffice".

[la bazzle]

Surely no one thinks he is the answer. Everyone thinks "Arroyo is off on Int duty and Sheppard is dead so Hoff will have to suffice".

No I'm referring to the comments that he should go up top because he scored 5 goals in one game vs a youth team and that the only thing stopping him is good service. I now realise he must have been taking the piss. Well played Anfield.

[Frodo]

No I'm referring to the comments that he should go up top because he scored 5 goals in one game vs a youth team and that the only thing stopping him is good service. I now realise he must have been taking the piss. Well played Anfield.

Going off post history, he's likely not taking the piss.

[pv4]

Basically if he gets decent service, He should be able to put the ball in the net.

He butchered several significant chances v Sydney.

[mic22]

Just pick the whole Petratos family.
Between the 3 of them, they will surely put away a couple for us.
(Is Kosta the only legitimate striker in the team at the moment?)

[Jeterpool]

Just pick the whole Petratos family.
Between the 3 of them, they will surely put away a couple for us.
(Is Kosta the only legitimate striker in the team at the moment?)

I thought Kosta was a winger.

[anfield]

No I'm referring to the comments that he should go up top because he scored 5 goals in one game vs a youth team and that the only thing stopping him is good service. I now realise he must have been taking the piss. Well played Anfield.

Opinons are like arseholes, everyone has them.
At the end of the day im pretty certain hoffman will start up front. Merrick will pick the 'safe option' . His selections are normally very predictable and normally picks senior players over the younger guys. Look at Champness and McGree, really were only put in after really proving themselves big time.

[StannyCFCJET]

Opinons are like arseholes, everyone has them.
At the end of the day im pretty certain hoffman will start up front. Merrick will pick the 'safe option' . His selections are normally very predictable and normally picks senior players over the younger guys. Look at Champness and McGree, really were only put in after really proving themselves big time.

Mcgree came in straight away and stayed in. As did Joey after Roy got injured

[anfield]

Mcgree came in straight away and stayed in. As did Joey after Roy got injured

Incorrect. McGree waited til his 4th game to start, champness his 5th

[MFKS]

Opinons are like arseholes, everyone has them.
At the end of the day im pretty certain hoffman will start up front. Merrick will pick the 'safe option' . His selections are normally very predictable and normally picks senior players over the younger guys. Look at Champness and McGree, really were only put in after really proving themselves big time.

You can drive a car with your feet controlling the steering wheel if you want

Doesn't make it a good ****ing idea though

Same with playing Hoff up front

But he will play there because we are a Tinpot club whose Owner CEO and Manager are taking the piss out of the fans by not signing back up

[StannyCFCJET]

We mostly agree Hoff should not be the number 9, So who takes the role?

[Alton]

We mostly Hoff should not be the number 9, So who takes the role?

Joey isn't far off, but not for this week unfortunately

[StannyCFCJET]

joey isn't far off, but not for this week unfortunately

jowic?

[turbojetfireV8]

even if Jowic does return he'll need a month+ to get back into shape let alone match fit...

[leftrightout]

even if Jowic does return he'll need a month+ to get back into shape let alone match fit...

I may have missed it but where has the rumour come from that he is coming back?
And why do we think he is coming back now?

[Frodo]

Just flew into Melbourne completely oblivious that the game was in town this weekend. Was pretty happy when I got on the plane and noticed a bunch of jerks in official Newcastle gear walking down the aisle. All the boys looked happy (except Ernie of course) which is good to see.

Not thinking my day could get any better I look over to my right and the one and only SD is sitting on the same plane in the same row. Griff was obviously shining on me today.

Actually asked a few of the coaching/fitness staff about Jowic coming back and the response I got was "we bloody wish he was coming back". So at least those guys are as stoked as we are to see Hoffman starting up top tomorrow.

[mic22]

Joey is a striker just as much as Hoff is... NOT!

[Bremsstrahlung]

He’s just raising the hype for his Australia Tour

[Couscous]

Primetime game. We deserve it.

[StannyCFCJET]

Hope we don't need a spark off the bench

[plague]

we win tonight, we go first.
no reason not to go hell for ****ern leather.

caaarrrnnnn Jets.

[The Dunster]

Hoffman and Katroumbis absolutely woeful so far.

Kanta and Uga doing well enough to keep us in with a chance.

[Couscous]

We're not great at keeping the ball. I don't like this style. It's not Jets style.

[plague]

im really enjoying this 6 non striker formation.
shame we'll run out of puff and concede a bunch late.
also, the Thurgate fanclub goes through me. i staked out this space at the same time i signed Torriera for Arsenal.
tickets are available, limited though.

[belchardo]

I think we've been playing well. Good counter attacks, solid in defence, faster play. Don't think we've had a bad player after about the first ten minutes.

[Retro Jet]

Just got onto a late VIPStand stream.
Saw some slo-mo defending from them leading up to that late shot from Dimi.
lol's when Speedie mentined our speedsters in attack.

[Retro Jet]

What a Turkey this ref is...

[plague]

oh, and theres still 30mins left to go but just letting you know the Johnny K bandwagon is in the shop and wont be available for a bit.

apologies for any inconvenience

[The Dunster]

Ref is killing us.

[The Hacker]

And normal service returns

[plague]

VAR is a ****ing joke.

[The Dunster]

VAR ftw

[Retro Jet]

Var var!!!
Rotf....

[Retro Jet]

On ya jets. Doing everything to give this up.

[la bazzle]

Katroumbis has to go. He is poorer than poor

[The Hacker]

Does Petratos know he can pass it to anyone In a white shirt. There called ‘team mates’

[Retro Jet]

Moss 3
Jackson 2
VAR 1

[belchardo]

Second half was terrible. Don't know how we won that.

Thanks Besart.

[Couscous]

Good result. Bad if you're hoping for a change of coach.

[Jetkel]

Courageous performance from the boys. Undermanned & out on our feet. We have to be ridiculously fit to play counter attacking football every god damn game.

If ‘Dimi you took the wrong option there’ isn’t the most used phrase at the video session this week & I don’t know what will be.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Moss did well to keep us in it. Solid performance.

Thurgates goal was very well worked.

Thought Jackson did well instead of Boogs.


Agree Dimi needs to get his head up and maybe give it to somebody else. Makes it easy for defenders when you know he’s gonna shoot if he gets the ball in opposition half.
Great ball for Thurgate, but I’d love to see more of it.

[StannyCFCJET]

Good result. Bad if you're hoping for a change of coach.

Always want the boys to win as should everyone but Ernie needs to change the way he does things for us to make finals

[Frodo]

Can't believe people are complaining after that. Completely dominated the centre of the park with Kanta and Uga back together. Jackson was on fire and we might finally have seen the end of Boogs (great bloke and servant to the club, but we need to move on from him.) First team to ever beat Western United in the league. Marinators got spanked. Rudan gets to cry into his pillow for the next week about all the times his players fell over and didn't get a free kick. Great game, I hope we play them every week. It's much easier to defend against retirees than actual footballers.


Also, I mean we definitely won that game after the team saw me in the flesh on their flight over. Can't think of any other reason....



Dimi worked his socks off tonight and didn't give Chapman or Jertec time to play through us. I know I slag the bloke off all the time, bit his passing was much better than anyone else in that front 3 and he did great all round. Top assist too.

[Frodo]

Good result. Bad if you're hoping for a change of coach.

Keep hoping Gary. Ernie isn't leaving until the end of the year unless we get bought out. It's not happening.

[plague]

initial thoughts:

Moss was good.
Jackson is better than Boogaard right now and should be starting no matter how fit Boogaard is.
Johnny K had a bad game.
Kanta made a big difference that 1st half. Rridenton can go hang with Boogaard on the bench.
Did you see the football we played with the bunch of doodz that were out there 1st half? Anyone wanting a coaching change should ask what a new coach would do with the same players. Merrick set them up well. they were always going to tire, and they had the lead. Naturally you drop off. they had plenty of chances to break in the 2nd half but execution let them down. Thats not on the coach. Players have to own a lot of their stuff ups on review this week.
Ive often wondered why Kosta P didnt get many opportunities. Now i know, bloke is slower than a roast. should have come on with the energy, instead looked like he was an O/35's centre back. Sprint training for the bloke this week Ernie.
Daniel Georgevski looks and sounds like a top teammate.
I still hate VAR.
am still shocked we were disciplined enough for the whole 90 to not give away at least 1 pen.
effort was superb. well in lads.

[plague]

Rudan gets to cry into his pillow for the next week

important point.

**** Mark Rudan.

[MFKS]

am still shocked we were disciplined enough for the whole 90 to not give away at least 1 pen.


No Boogaard might be the answer

[StannyCFCJET]

No Boogaard might be the answer

When was the last penalty he's given away

[mic22]

We have to thank the VAR... because Johnny K had lost track of the player he was marking. Again.
He's costing us 1 goal per game (nearly).
2nd half was hard to watch, we can't just refuse to play like that.
Grit. 3 points. Good enough this time, but we won't get far playing like this.

[Jeterpool]

Player of the Match voting below

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/93G5BQN

[belchardo]

Genuinely tough decision today. Went with kanta.

[The Dunster]

I went with Kanta as well but think Jackson and Uga had a very good game also.

[turbojetfireV8]

NBN wrap up - Stephen Mount needs to learn Hoffs name...
http://video.nbnnews.com.au/jetsvwesternunited171119.mp4

[Retro Jet]

NBN wrap up - Stephen Mount needs to learn Hoffs name...
http://video.nbnnews.com.au/jetsvwesternunited171119.mp4

SD will do anything to get his mug on the box :rof:
J Hoffman = Josh...Jamie...Jarrod?? Anything starting with 'J' in the heat of the moment will do, eh?
That pass to Thurgate's left for Dimi and/or Fitzuseless that went begging right on 17min looks bad with a 2nd look. Lucky he made amends.
Moss - apparently he can open his eyes now.

[anfield]

Excellent result for jets, 3 points on the road.
Now we need to start winning some home games.
For mine, The jets biggest problem is and possibly be all year is goals scored. If the can fix that and find 4 guys that will score 7 plus goals for the year then we will be a chance of finals. Im struggling to see 2 guys doing that.