19/20 HAL Round 9 | Adelaide United v Newcastle Jets | Sun 08/12/19 1500

[Jeterpool]

A-League 2019/20 Match day 9 Adelaide United v Newcastle Jets

FIXTURE FACTS

Overall – 46 fixtures between the two teams. Of this, the teams have met on 44 occasions in the A-League and on 2 occasions in the FFA Cup.
Jets Wins - 13, United Wins - 20, Drawn - 13


In Newcastle – 21 matches.
Jets Wins - 9, United Wins - 7, Drawn - 5
In Adelaide - 25 matches
Jets Wins - 4, United Wins - 13, Drawn - 8

Average Home A-League Crowd – 9732
Average Away A-League Crowd - 9621

Goals in Fixture
Jets – 45, United - 61
In Adelaide -
Jets – 22, United - 41

1st Goals in Fixture
Jets – 20, United - 20

Cards in Fixture
Jets - 116 (112 yellow, 4 red), United 76 (73 yellow, 3 red)


Last Result -
Newcastle Jets 1 (Arroyo 37') - Adelaide United 2 (McGree 49', McGree 61') at McDonald Jones Stadium, A-League, Round 3, Season 2019/20

Starting line-ups from Last Meeting in Season 2019/20 Match day 3

Newcastle JetsAdelaide United
Glen MossPaul Izzo
Matthew MillarRyan Strain
Nigel BoogaardMichael Jakobsen
Nikolai Topor-StanleyMichael Marrone
John KoutroumbisRyan Kitto
Steven UgarkovicLouis D'Arrigo
Matthew RidentonRiley McGree
Dimitri PetratosJames Troisi
Jason HoffmanBen Halloran
Nick FitzgeraldAl Hassan Toure
Abdiel ArroyoKristian Opseth



FIXTURE RECORDS


Biggest Win

Jets 4 (Kemp 12’og, Carle 22’, Zelic 68’, Carle 89’) – Adelaide 2 (Valkanis 38, Corbo 67’og) at Hindmarsh Stadium, Round 8, Season 2005/06, 14/10/2005.

Heaviest Defeat

Jets 0 – Adelaide 7 (Djite 2’, 54’, Carrusca 23’, 28’, Boogaard 35’, Cirio 70’, Isais 90+3’) at Hindmarsh Stadium, A-League Season 2014/15 Round 15, 24/01/2015.

Leading Scorers in fixture –


Jets - Joel Griffiths, Nick Carle, Mark Bridge, Matt Thompson, Andrew Nabbout, Ben Kantarovski (3)
United - Marcelo Carrusca (6)



2019/20 A-LEAGUE SEASON STATISTICS

NumberNameAppearancesStartsSubbed OnSubbed offMinutes PlayedGoalsAssistsYellow CardsRed Cards
1Glen Moss66005400000
2Bobby Burns2020500000
3Jason Hoffman66025101010
4Nigel Boogaard33002700020
5Ben Kantarovski52302670000
6Steven Ugarkovic66015180100
8Wes Hoolahan000000000
9Abdiel Arroyo55043891000
10Dimitri Petratos66005402210
11Nick Fitzgerald65144290010
14Kaine Sheppard000000000
16Matthew Millar66005401100
18John Koutroumbis66014950000
19Kosta Petratos101060000
20Lewis Italiano000000000
22Lachlan Jackson33002700000
23Matthew Ridenton54113620010
25Jack Simmons000000000
28Patrick Langlois2020120000
31Maki Petratos101080000
32Angus Thurgate62421942110
40Noah James000000000
44Nikolai Topor-Stanley66005400000



COACHING

Coaches Head to Head – 2 matches
Ernie Merrick - 0 wins, Gertjan Verbeek - 2 wins, 0 drawn

Newcastle Jets A-League Coaching Records –

Ernie Merrick - 7 matches (2 wins, 2 drawn, 3 losses = 0.29% win ratio)
Mark Jones - 3 matches (1 win, 1 draw, 1 loss = 33% win ratio)
Scott Miller - 3 matches (0 wins, 2 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Phil Stubbins - 3 matches (1 win, 0 drawn, 2 losses = 33% win ratio)
Gary Van Egmond - 17 matches (5 wins, 7 drawn and 5 losses = 29% win ratio)
Richard Money - 3 matches (1 win, 0 drawn, 2 losses = 33% win ratio)
Branko Culina - 6 matches (2 wins, 2 drawn, 2 losses = 33% win ratio)
Nick Theodorakopoulos - 1 match (0 wins, 0 drawn, 1 loss = 0% win ratio)
Craig Deans - No matches
Clayton Zane - 1 match (1 wins, 0 drawn, 0 losses = 100% win ratio)

Adelaide United Coach Record – Gertjan Verbeek 100% win ratio (1 win, 0 drawn, 0 losses)

[plague]

concede 7 or 9 goals.

score 1.

people still gonna blame Johnny K.

[belchardo]

Fox saying the game might be postponed due to forecast extreme heat. 37 degrees at kick-off according to BOM.

[belchardo]

Anybody heard if this is likely to be delayed?

[Jeterpool]

Not sure. But I just jumped in the car heading from Brighton (On the cost) and its 38 degrees. That was midday

[TXK]

Anyone meeting in adelaide and meeting for drinks pre-game?

[Couscous]

Is it smoky in Newy?

[MFKS]

Only in this ****ed up country would a top flight game of football be played at this time of day in this heat

Also kudos to the Jets kit man for making us play in black

[plague]

Also kudos to the Jets kit man for making us play in black

of course you would be the bloke to believe this is true.

do you wear a black tin foil hat in winter to keep you warmer?

[plague]

Miller refuses to get anywhere near his man.
the **** signed this bloke?

[MFKS]

I assume the sun was in Moss eyes there

Coz if not ****ing honking keeping

[MFKS]

Ugarkovic doing a great job there of not tracking his runner

[plague]

the runner Miller stood next to and watched tap in?

of course our centre mids should be on the 3 yard line. thats their place right

[The Dunster]

Katroumbis has no idea how to defend.
Wtf is Ernies playing him at left back fir?

[The Dunster]

Millar not so great either

[MFKS]

How good is the VAR

FMD

[plague]

all we heard for 3 years was how many touches Dimi takes but Fitzgerald has eclipsed that total in one half of football.
my god you blokes defending him cant be watching this.

[380]

Can we offload Fitzuseless in Jan ?. Bloke well and truly demonstrating why he has been given the ass from half the clubs in this league. There would be hundreds of players running around is state leagues with more ability than this ordinary footballer.

[StannyCFCJET]

all we heard for 3 years was how many touches Dimi takes but Fitzgerald has eclipsed that total in one half of football.
my god you blokes defending him cant be watching this.

Can't defend him today. Needs to be hooked halftime for Sheppard

[The Dunster]

Fitzgerald makes Hoff look like Marco Van Basten in front of goal.

[plague]

i dont think either of those 1st half ones were pens.

[The Dunster]

Beath has denied us two possible penalties so far. Thurgate definetly fouled in the area.

[Jetkel]

Yeh can’t really defend Fitz tonight... but also still think he’s still our main outlet & while frustrating, his direct play is needed.

Ok I defended him.

Kid just really needs a goal.

[Jetkel]

Beath has denied us two possible penalties so far. Thurgate definetly fouled in the area.

Both 50/50 calls at best imo.

[Jetmaster]

Very simple....all we need to do is take a greater percentage of our chances.

Nothing to do with luck.

[MFKS]

all we heard for 3 years was how many touches Dimi takes but Fitzgerald has eclipsed that total in one half of football.
my god you blokes defending him cant be watching this.

To be perfectly fair to Fitzuseless this is an Aussie wide problem

You watch football in Europe and any **** gets a sight on goal they will take the shot on 1st time

For some reason every ****s in Oz thinks they need to take a touch

It is an instinct thing and all our players fail at it

If you get the ball to Aguero Mane Kane Messi etc facing goal they will take it on 1st time if they have to. Our blokes....

[MFKS]

Jackson is honking tonight

I half tempted to call for the return of Boogaard but I ain't been drinking enough yet

[MFKS]

That horrible defense from Izzo and Troisi there

But thanks we will take it

[MFKS]

Thurgate shows plenty of potential as a front player but you can glaringly see the fact he is not a striker

If Arroyo is playing today he has a bag full

Once again the club ****ing the fans over by not employing actual strikers on the books

[Retro Jet]

Crowd shot of Jeterpool or GTFO!

[Couscous]

What's with Millar's little pinky goal celebration?

[StannyCFCJET]

Ridenton should be released

[Jetmaster]

This game should be won by now.

[plague]

Jackson is honking tonight


that effort for the 2nd goal aint gonna be happy viewing at training this week.

whoo boy. that was awful.

[Jetmaster]

Sucker punch....we are f***ed.

[Grimario]

Typical Jets really.

[plague]

This game should be won by now.

and yet, they still Jets'd it.

[The Dunster]

Massive effort from everyone except Ridenton. It's like he would rather be somwhere else.

We do enough to beat anyone until it comes to putting it in the back of the net

Arroyo today and we would have won by 3

[MFKS]

We ran out of legs in the last 15 mins

Not fit enough boys

[380]

Ridenton should be released

Dead set agree on this. Club should be paying us to watch the standard of football hacks like Fitzuseless and Ridenton produce. Took Ridenton all of 2mins to produce his usual qualities of getting shoved off the ball like some under 7's kid so easily and then a turnover. Bloke should be on the bench for some dowtown pub team back across the ditch.

Is there a Weld United Ridenton can sit on the bench for and have the oranges peeled in time for the halftime break ?.

[StannyCFCJET]

Dead set agree on this. Club should be paying us to watch the standard of football hacks like Fitzuseless and Ridenton produce. Took Ridenton all of 2mins to produce his usual qualities of getting shoved off the ball like some under 7's kid so easily and then a turnover. Bloke should be on the bench for some dowtown pub team back across the ditch.

Fitzy at least works hard and gets into good positions.

[380]

Fitzy at least works hard and gets into good positions.

So what, What is the big deal in that ?. He has been afforded chance after chance at this level, In fact been kissed on the proverbial old fella more times than most when it comes to gifted opportunities to be a professional footballer and he comes up with nothing season after season, A big fat nothing

If working hard is the pre requisite for being A League standard then we may as well fold the national competition now. I am sure blokes running around ZPL work just as hard but they are not lining up for A League clubs. C'mon off it the league needs to be a better standard than what those two overrated state league standard players bring to the show.

[StannyCFCJET]

So what, What is the big deal in that ?. He has been afforded chance after chance at this level, In fact been kissed on the proverbial old fella more times than most when it comes to gifted opportunities to be a professional footballer and he comes up with nothing season after season, A big fat nothing

If working hard is the pre requisite for being A League standard then we may as well fold the national competition now. I am sure blokes running around ZPL work just as hard but they are not lining up for A League clubs. C'mon off it the league needs to be a better standard than what those two hacks bring to the show.

Yeah but he is at least offering something if very little and who replaces him atm with Ernie as coach?

[Jetkel]

So what, What is the big deal in that ?. He has been afforded chance after chance at this level, In fact been kissed on the proverbial old fella more times than most when it comes to gifted opportunities to be a professional footballer and he comes up with nothing season after season, A big fat nothing

If working hard is the pre requisite for being A League standard then we may as well fold the national competition now. I am sure blokes running around ZPL work just as hard but they are not lining up for A League clubs. C'mon off it the league needs to be a better standard than what those two overrated state league standard players bring to the show.

Oh stop being so over dramatic ffs. Kid was hardly as bad as you’ve made out. Same goes with Ridenton.

Scape meet Goats.

If anything the momentum of the game swung when Ernie took off Fitzgerald & it had very little to do with bringing on Ridenton, we just completely lost our shape & width that he was providing. Was a really strange sub.

[StannyCFCJET]

Oh stop being so over dramatic ffs. Kid was hardly as bad as you’ve made out. Same goes with Ridenton.

Scape meet Goats.

nah Ridenton was garbage, Close to the worst ever performance in a jets shirt

[belchardo]

Didn't think we played that badly. Had adelaide beaten all over bar the quality of our finishing. Izzo didn't necessarily have a blinder, but he certainly kept them in it.

Much more direct from the midfield, lot more energy than adelaide seemed to have.

Yet for all that we lost. Bugger.

[Hunter403]

Is any A League team as good as the Jets at conceding goals within sight of half or full time?

Dead set, we are world champs at it.

[380]

Oh stop being so over dramatic ffs. Kid was hardly as bad as you’ve made out. Same goes with Ridenton.

Scape meet Goats.

If anything the momentum of the game swung when Ernie took off Fitzgerald & it had very little to do with bringing on Ridenton, we just completely lost our shape & width that he was providing. Was a really strange sub.


As usual and just as undeniable Fitzuseless's record speaks for itself.Bloke is even struggling with the only part of his game he ever had going for him which was his speed. You said so yourself his performance was NOT defendable. Short memory or what ?.

Signing Fitzgerald was a piece of lazy recruiting by the club, End of section. We should have taken a punt on a unknown quantity than affording this bloke his upteenth opportunity. Clearly by your past posts you know the bloke and is clouding your judgement on his ability as a footballer always talking up the potential in him, How many clubs til that potential is realized FFS. Here is a scoop for you, He is a below average pedestrian footballer who has done nothing with twice as many opportunities provided to him than most get offered to them.

Anyways enough on Fitzuseless and Ridenton, I will let there week in week out performances do the talking for themselves LOL.

[Retro Jet]

Hows Speedie: calling Troisi a 'superstar' :wanker: :facepalm:

[Jetkel]

As usual and just as undeniable Fitzuseless's record speaks for itself.Bloke is even struggling with the only part of his game he ever had going for him which was his speed. You said so yourself his performance was NOT defendable. Short memory or what ?.

Signing Fitzgerald was a piece of lazy recruiting by the club, End of section. We should have taken a punt on a unknown quantity than affording this bloke his upteenth opportunity. Clearly by your past posts you know the bloke and is clouding your judgement on his ability as a footballer always talking up the potential in him, How many clubs til that potential is realized FFS. Here is a scoop for you, He is a below average pedestrian footballer who has done nothing with twice as many opportunities provided to him than most get offered to them.

Anyways enough on Fitzuseless and Ridenton, I will let there week in week out performances do the talking for themselves LOL.

I don’t think he played particularly well first half, but was still our main attacking outlet. He went off tonight, we lost our shape & width, in turn Dimi couldn’t get on the ball with space & we no longer got behind their line. He is limited but he plays his role in our team well.

I honestly couldn’t give a **** about what he or any player has done in the past or who theyve played for, That has no bearing on our team. But if you’re so hell bent on bringing up his record are you also bringing up the championships he’s won or the far superior teams or coaches he’s played for & been recruited by? ...or that doesn’t fit your narrative? Yeh mate I got google too.

Maybe I’ve got too much empathy for these blokes but I’ve just never understood the need to consistently shit on our own players.

[plague]

I’ve just never understood the need to consistently shit on our own players.

'our players'?
they've all got a certain thing in common and were signed by a certain bloke.
its also no coincidence that our team has gone to shit on the back of a certain bloke signing a certain type of player.

hashtagstaywoke
hashtagtrump2020
hashtagivanka2024
hashtagfreeassange

[MFKS]

That result is down to nothing other than the Chinese Lightsalesman and the Gypo CEO

The manager set the tools at his disposal up well they dominated the game they created chances etc and done everything necessary to win a game

Can polish a turf but it still a piece of shit etc

The fact that we don't have a striker
The fact we are playing blokes like Hoff and Fitzuseless in the front 3 is the issue at heart here

Yesterday we were cost 3 points by the lack of backing in the front office

Other than Blue Aids this comp is wide open as the rest of the club's are shite and it the lack of ambition from the club that is costing us an ACL spot this season

We are going nowhere and it starts at the top

[mic22]

Fitzy at least works hard and gets into good positions.

I tend to agree, bloke is terrific off the ball.
Problems start when he gets it...

[The Dunster]

nah Ridenton was garbage, Close to the worst ever performance in a jets shirt

Ridenton has a lot more technical skill than the average A-League player - but if you rough him up a little he comes unstuck and it all falls apart for him. Yesterday, Adelaide got physical with him early, he got rattled, and couldn't hold possession or complete a pass for the rest of the game.

In saying that, he also gets distracted easily as well - Adelaide managed to get into his head yesterday before he even came on the field [watch the replay of them talking to him on the sideline awaiting to come on for Fitzgerald.

[The Dunster]

Apart from Ridenton who was terrible and Shepherd who's not ready just yet the tem performed very well.
If Fitzgerald could turn his chances into goals we wouldn't be able to afford him - same goes for Hoffman.
So can't see the point of people being critical of them - as you could never make a case against them based on their effort level.

[StannyCFCJET]

[QUOTE=The Dunster;233533]Ridenton has a lot more technical skill than the average A-League player

Can not agree with that under any circumstance Both from what ive seen with us and his time at the Nix.

[MFKS]

Apart from Ridenton who was terrible and Shepherd who's not ready just yet the tem performed very well.
If Fitzgerald could turn his chances into goals we wouldn't be able to afford him - same goes for Hoffman.
So can't see the point of people being critical of them - as you could never make a case against them based on their effort level.

I be critical of the reality is that they are not good enough

It time for the Gypo CEO to sanction the sale of the Jet Shaped Hats so we can find better players in the front 3rd

If we are relying on Fitzuseless and Hoffman to get 15 goals + between them we are delusional

They be lucky to get 5 between them

That putting an awful lot of pressure on Arroyo Dimi and the Gypo right back as no one else looks capable of scoring a goal

[MFKS]

Ridenton had a shocker yesterday no doubt

But he not the first football ever to come off the bench and be not able to get up to speed of the game

No matter how honking he was his errors were nowhere near as catastrophic as Jackson Kanta Ugarkovic and Johnny Ks were yesterday
All he done was cough the ball up needlessly

[plague]

Other than Blue Aids this comp is wide open as the rest of the club's are shite and it the lack of ambition from the club that is costing us an ACL spot this season

We are going nowhere and it starts at the top

this is the monday morning sermon right here.

with any luck the team owners have just enough time to run it themselves before the whole thing folds.

FFA out.

[The Dunster]

this is the monday morning sermon right here.

with any luck the team owners have just enough time to run it themselves before the whole thing folds.

FFA out.

The Marquee players and salary cap exemptions thing needs to be given the boot as well. Like socialism it's proposed to help the little guy when the facts are that it increases the gap between the haves and the have nots - because the haves are always able to innovate around the rules by capturing the regulator.

The minimum wage only keeps the playing field level if their are no exceptions to the salary cap. With exceptions like Marquees and so on the result will always be a class of overpaid and underperforming players - which doesn't help the national sides progress on the world stage.

[plague]

The Marquee players and salary cap exemptions thing needs to be given the boot as well. Like socialism it's proposed to help the little guy when the facts are that it increases the gap between the haves and the have nots - because the haves are always able to innovate around the rules by capturing the regulator.

The minimum wage only keeps the playing field level if their are no exceptions to the salary cap. With exceptions like Marquees and so on the result will always be a class of overpaid and underperforming players - which doesn't help the national sides progress on the world stage.

exactly. whichever assholes at the FFA thought it would be a good strategy to tell rich people how to spend their money should have been fired into the sun no less than 3 seconds after suggesting it.

mark the lines on the field, set the nets up and then get the **** out of the owners way.

[Jetkel]

That result is down to nothing other than the Chinese Lightsalesman and the Gypo CEO

The manager set the tools at his disposal up well they dominated the game they created chances etc and done everything necessary to win a game

Can polish a turf but it still a piece of shit etc

The fact that we don't have a striker
The fact we are playing blokes like Hoff and Fitzuseless in the front 3 is the issue at heart here

Yesterday we were cost 3 points by the lack of backing in the front office

Other than Blue Aids this comp is wide open as the rest of the club's are shite and it the lack of ambition from the club that is costing us an ACL spot this season

We are going nowhere and it starts at the top

I think our front 4 have been solid all year - I genuinely don't get the criticism of particularly Hoff & Fitz. We are playing attractive football, making space, getting behind the line & we've created more chances than we have the whole of last year already - they are a part of that. Our finishing has been poor, shock horror.... we're not the only A League side to say that. You add Hoolahan & if Arroyo gets a sustained run & I think we're sitting comfortably in the 6, potentially top 4.

We have a underdog squad made up of the unwanted & we're still there or thereabouts despite some crucial injury losses.

Either peoples expectations are out of whack or people have an axe to grind with particular players.

[Grimario]

I have extremely low expectations of the Jets... but I would rather we went and potentially found a new star from the untested and didn't recycle the players that are unwanted by other clubs for a reason.

[Jetmaster]

It is worrying that SFC are already so far ahead of everyone else.

It's what Fox wants (Bozza and his brethren want the cap gone completetly) but even the Big Blue loses its lustre when MV appear no contender.

[MFKS]

I think our front 4 have been solid all year - I genuinely don't get the criticism of particularly Hoff & Fitz. We are playing attractive football, making space, getting behind the line & we've created more chances than we have the whole of last year already - they are a part of that. Our finishing has been poor, shock horror.... we're not the only A League side to say that. You add Hoolahan & if Arroyo gets a sustained run & I think we're sitting comfortably in the 6, potentially top 4.

We have a underdog squad made up of the unwanted & we're still there or thereabouts despite some crucial injury losses.

Either peoples expectations are out of whack or people have an axe to grind with particular players.

So you think Hoff and Fitzuseless for all their effort and work rate are good enough to bag 15 goals a season between them ??

If the answer is no we need to actually be recruiting players in the front part of the pitch who can


You can make all the excuses you want about our finishing being poor. But this isn't a blip and the ****s are out of form. They don't score goals at the best of times

Ugarkovic 3 goals in 100 games
Kanta is probably going at a similar ratio of games to goals
The backline don't score regularly besides the Gypo fullback

If you relying on a bloke with 1 goal in 5 games and no real proven track record of a great goal scoring ratio in Arroyo and a 37 year old has been who ain't played a HAL game yet then you been smoking some good grass if you think this combo is gonna bring success

[MFKS]

It is worrying that SFC are already so far ahead of everyone else.

It's what Fox wants (Bozza and his brethren want the cap gone completetly) but even the Big Blue loses its lustre when MV appear no contender.

The clown was whining yesterday about it being a joke that HAL games are played in the heat and not later in the day.
Didn't say anything about his employers culpability in it

Then he was going on about Ange Postecoglou ring great enough to manage a European club yet obviously forgets when he was the one leading the charge to lynch him for treason during WCQ as he wanted to play 3 at the back

How can you take him seriously??

[StannyCFCJET]

The clown was whining yesterday about it being a joke that HAL games are played in the heat and not later in the day.
Didn't say anything about his employers culpability in it

Then he was going on about Ange Postecoglou ring great enough to manage a European club yet obviously forgets when he was the one leading the charge to lynch him for treason during WCQ as he wanted to play 3 at the back

How can you take him seriously??

Ange wasnt lynched, He got fair stick for his new tactics which wernt working and almost cost us qualification to the WC and got the shits after asking for more tactics discussion in the media

[MFKS]

Ange wasnt lynched, He got fair stick for his new tactics which wernt working and almost cost us qualification to the WC and got the shits after asking for more tactics discussion in the media

We qualified for a World Cup with a shit group of players and a 40 year old retiree

They worked didn't they??

[plague]

Ange wasnt lynched,

You trippin.

[StannyCFCJET]

We qualified for a World Cup with a shit group of players and a 40 year old retiree

They worked didn't they??

We're pretty much saved by a post. If that free kick which Ryan was no where near goes in we dont qualify

[StannyCFCJET]

You trippin.

Not this time my friend

[380]

I have extremely low expectations of the Jets... but I would rather we went and potentially found a new star from the untested and didn't recycle the players that are unwanted by other clubs for a reason.

Hallelujah to that, We could call it the Fitzgerald rule.

[plague]

Not this time my friend

so Ange was a good* coach at every level he coached at except the level where he couldnt find players to fit his system because the players werent good enough yet we did nothing about it when he warned us 13 years ago and here we are all that time later and our national mens teams at all levels are far worse than they should be instead of listening to the one bloke who could help us fix it we listened to media members who's sole purpose was to get their re-tread failed coach back in for another stint.

yeah i can see how Ange was the problem here.
i mean why should we look 20-50-100 years ahead when we can paper over everything and think in 4 year cycles in order to pay the bills.

yes of course Slater, Foster etc are correct here.

Griff save us.



*i said good but anyone thinking hes not the best Australian coach whos ever lived is a moron. and hey, why should we keep the best coach we've ever had right? what a silly thought.

[Jetkel]

I have extremely low expectations of the Jets... but I would rather we went and potentially found a new star from the untested and didn't recycle the players that are unwanted by other clubs for a reason.

I understand that & tbh I agree.

But I think you (& others) are also assuming players only move clubs when they're not wanted. Sure it's a factor in some moves, but a lot of these lower/mid-tier (say $100k - $200k) Aussie players choose to move clubs purely to have the ability to support their family.

[Jetkel]

So you think Hoff and Fitzuseless for all their effort and work rate are good enough to bag 15 goals a season between them ??

If the answer is no we need to actually be recruiting players in the front part of the pitch who can


You can make all the excuses you want about our finishing being poor. But this isn't a blip and the ****s are out of form. They don't score goals at the best of times

Ugarkovic 3 goals in 100 games
Kanta is probably going at a similar ratio of games to goals
The backline don't score regularly besides the Gypo fullback

If you relying on a bloke with 1 goal in 5 games and no real proven track record of a great goal scoring ratio in Arroyo and a 37 year old has been who ain't played a HAL game yet then you been smoking some good grass if you think this combo is gonna bring success

Where has this 15 goals a season come from? How many sets of wingers in this league score 15 goals between them? & where have I said we shouldn't recruit? I just think you're not being realistic about the type of wingers/players we can attract whether that's budget or for other reasons, or you're not being realistic with expectations for players when we do sign them or coming into a new season.

I'm smoking grass because I think an upper championship quality midfielder & international striker would improve our position by a huge 2 or 3 spots or a massive 4 or 5 points or chip in 2 or 3 more goals thus far this season? Ok.....

[StannyCFCJET]

so Ange was a good* coach at every level he coached at except the level where he couldnt find players to fit his system because the players werent good enough yet we did nothing about it when he warned us 13 years ago and here we are all that time later and our national mens teams at all levels are far worse than they should be instead of listening to the one bloke who could help us fix it we listened to media members who's sole purpose was to get their re-tread failed coach back in for another stint.

yeah i can see how Ange was the problem here.
i mean why should we look 20-50-100 years ahead when we can paper over everything and think in 4 year cycles in order to pay the bills.

yes of course Slater, Foster etc are correct here.

Griff save us.



*i said good but anyone thinking hes not the best Australian coach whos ever lived is a moron. and hey, why should we keep the best coach we've ever had right? what a silly thought.

Ange is a fantastic coach but didn't have the players for his 3 at the back system with wingers so shouldve stuck to the 4 3 3 which won the Asian cup

[Couscous]

yes of course Slater, Foster etc are correct here.

Leave Foz out of this. He supported Ange (this decade, not last).

[plague]

Ange is a fantastic coach but didn't have the players for his 3 at the back system with wingers so shouldve stuck to the 4 3 3 which won the Asian cup

3,4,5 or 6 at the back didnt make a lick of difference to the style and philosophy that Ange wanted to play and they players were incapable of playing.
the players werent good enough.
he wanted to blow up the system 10 years prior and no one listened. we let him walk and yet still no one listened.
it was easier to blame him for short term pain.
because thats how he was treated.

[plague]

Leave Foz out of this. He supported Ange (this decade, not last).


oh he supported him, as soon as he won and was proven right about his style and system.

when it was a philosophical argument Foster only cared about results (the car crash interview was about Ange failing to qualify for a major tournament). Ange was ultimately proved right.
Fosters embarrassing backdown and subsequent bootlicking tour said all you need to know about that bloke.


Foster is a glory hunting opportunist intent on saying whatever needs to be said in order to get the cameras to look at him.
if you fall for his bullshit then enjoy your next reality tv star Prime Minister. cause thats where it all ends up.

[StannyCFCJET]

3,4,5 or 6 at the back didnt make a lick of difference to the style and philosophy that Ange wanted to play and they players were incapable of playing.
the players werent good enough.
he wanted to blow up the system 10 years prior and no one listened. we let him walk and yet still no one listened.
it was easier to blame him for short term pain.
because thats how he was treated.
Those players could play his system in a 4 3 3 and we won the Asian cup but we didn't have wingbacks or good ball playing CBS for a 3 at the back

[plague]

Those players could play his system in a 4 3 3 and we won the Asian cup but we didn't have wingbacks or good ball playing CBS for a 3 at the back

so youre saying all he had to do for success and continued employment was make a simple formation change?
youre saying that the most successful coach in our country's history couldnt (or wouldnt) make a simple formation change, and that was the issue?


yeah i stand by my point. you trippin.

[plague]

if formation is such a big issue i found it interesting you have yet to mention it in your current criticism of the Jets.
go back and read this thread, you've only critiqued players.

because under your logic if we have no proper strikers we should change the formation to a 5-5-0 shouldnt we?

[MFKS]

Those players could play his system in a 4 3 3 and we won the Asian cup but we didn't have wingbacks or good ball playing CBS for a 3 at the back

We won it because we are at home

Stanny tell me what our record is like in the last 25 years in competitive internationals in Oz??

Since the qualification for the 94 WC I recall us losing 1 game in WCQ in Oz and that was a dead rubber

The only other game I can think of that we lost that was a competitive game was the group game v Korea in the Asian Cup


So exactly what is great about winning the Asian Cup in Oz when the reality is we have a great record at home in competitive games

[gussie_l]

Back to this game, my two cents, i'm newish to sokkah so include that with the value of my two cents but some of my comments of the game are as follows:

- i thought Ridenten and Johhny K turned the ball over a few too many times losing possesion way too cheaply and that was frustrating.
- we are owned by someone not wanting to fork out a lotta money. Can't control that .... dunno what is better/available for the same spend.
- We have Wessi, Arroyo and had Shephard out for injury (and lost DJ Champness). That is outta our control and hurts like hell as a fan. Is there some Voudon Coastie with some voodoo doll controlling this? It seems to be a common theme over the seasons. Again, outta our control unless someone hunts this Coastie down. How do you explain this bad luck?
- We have so many opportunities to score and don't finish, yeah you make your own luck but really, can't we bloody have some luck at some point....
- I thought Millar and Fitzgerald were pretty effective on that right side.....
- Yeah, Jackson did make some mistakes this game but his previous two games were pretty impressive. Good old Topor.
- I really wanna like Johnny K ......
- When Bobby came on for his half a dog watch i just loved the passion and energy he at least showed. I wish when Ridenton came on he had the same energy/passion. He was meant to be fresh, didn't look it.

Yeah, it was a hard result to take....... just venting..... back under my rock.....

[MFKS]

Where has this 15 goals a season come from? How many sets of wingers in this league score 15 goals between them? & where have I said we shouldn't recruit? I just think you're not being realistic about the type of wingers/players we can attract whether that's budget or for other reasons, or you're not being realistic with expectations for players when we do sign them or coming into a new season.

I'm smoking grass because I think an upper championship quality midfielder & international striker would improve our position by a huge 2 or 3 spots or a massive 4 or 5 points or chip in 2 or 3 more goals thus far this season? Ok.....

Successful sides in the past will have gotten 15 goals from their wide attackers over the season

If Jowic was here and played 26 games I backing he would get his share of the 15 issue is to find someone else who can get themselves 7 or 8 a season

The year we lost the GF we had Nabbout score 12 Dimi got about 10
You ain't getting those sort of numbers with the personnel in our side at the moment

Changes need to occur and it requires our Chinese Lightsalesman to spend some coin on some players and back Bert in the marketplace

[plague]

Is there some Voudon Coastie with some voodoo doll controlling this?

yes there is.
worst bit is we're paying his wages to do it.

[Jetkel]

Successful sides in the past will have gotten 15 goals from their wide attackers over the season

If Jowic was here and played 26 games I backing he would get his share of the 15 issue is to find someone else who can get themselves 7 or 8 a season

The year we lost the GF we had Nabbout score 12 Dimi got about 10
You ain't getting those sort of numbers with the personnel in our side at the moment

Changes need to occur and it requires our Chinese Lightsalesman to spend some coin on some players and back Bert in the marketplace

Unless we're going to completely uproot half the squad mid-season & use a couple of million on a marquee or two, I don't think you're going to find a major improvement on either of the guys mentioned. I think they've both (with Dimi) been serviceable this season & I do think they're being harshly judged by some for whatever reason. I personally haven't seen us looked this fluid in the attacking 3rd for a couple of seasons.

Fair example re; Nabbout & Dimi, but I don't think either have been able to get close to that type of season again.