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boz-monaut
07-01-2020, 09:27 PM
discussion starts here

Captain_Carl
10-01-2020, 04:33 PM
discussion starts here

First season of Youth NPL without the Jets for quite some time. Who will dominate? Who will be the surprise packages? I look forward to watching plenty of games.

Aegon
10-01-2020, 05:11 PM
First season of Youth NPL without the Jets for quite some time. Who will dominate? Who will be the surprise packages? I look forward to watching plenty of games.

Olympic and Magic will still be the teams to beat, some of the other clubs will have strong teams in some ages but not others.

Beaver
20-01-2020, 09:44 PM
Unfortunately in the NPL youth, the big clubs get bigger while the small clubs do their best -kids & parents chase results unfortunately and that is why statistically Magic, Hamilton continue to dominate
The u13 Comp should be interesting a few good teams, I hear MaitlandFC have put together a strong squad !

Hunter403
20-01-2020, 11:28 PM
Well now that Richard Hartley is no longer feeding players to Olympic and now that SAP is established, it should give the so called smaller clubs a good chance to gain beter players

Aegon
21-01-2020, 05:17 PM
Well now that Richard Hartley is no longer feeding players to Olympic and now that SAP is established, it should give the so called smaller clubs a good chance to gain beter players

Fair enough, I’ve heard the same story before. Whatever happened to the boys from Macquarie and HV though? Why didn’t the clubs they end up at become super strong?

Hunter403
21-01-2020, 05:31 PM
Fair enough, I’ve heard the same story before. Whatever happened to the boys from Macquarie and HV though? Why didn’t the clubs they end up at become super strong?

My experience (my son is an NPL player) is that the LM boys went everywhere, not one or two specific clubs. As for the HV boys, they usually went to the local clubs (but not always) and HV was always the weakest of the 3 associations.

Credit to Magic though, most of the NF boys went to Olympic and Magic raised their own generally. I must say that in my son's cohort, Magic were only strong one season winning the minor premiership. If memory serves, they failed to make the semis in the other 3 years. Olympic were strong every year, as were Jaffas. Edgy were always about at seasons end. Jaffas were the top team over the 4 years of my son's age group.

TauZero
21-01-2020, 06:18 PM
Looking at last season's results, Olympic are clearly the best in the youth grades, followed by Magic. Adamstown do better than you might think, and Lambton are in the mix. Charlestown, Edgeworth and Weston are a bit hit and miss, while Valentine, Maitland and Lake Mac had one good age group at best.

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YewYew
22-01-2020, 01:21 PM
Looking at last season's results, Olympic are clearly the best in the youth grades, followed by Magic. Adamstown do better than you might think, and Lambton are in the mix. Charlestown, Edgeworth and Weston are a bit hit and miss, while Valentine, Maitland and Lake Mac had one good age group at best.

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Didnt no that Olympic ran Jets so close over all. Did any Olympic kids get picked off by the Jets? If not they gonna be super strong this year again.

Aegon
22-01-2020, 03:27 PM
Didnt no that Olympic ran Jets so close over all. Did any Olympic kids get picked off by the Jets? If not they gonna be super strong this year again.

The Jets never seem to turnover big numbers in their teams. Maybe 3-5 players if needed.
I would assume that some kids would have been picked up, but not huge differences.

Goatscheese
05-02-2020, 01:16 AM
Heard Lakes U14 lost 9-1 to West Wallsend the other night. Will be another long season for them it seems

Hunter403
05-02-2020, 08:01 AM
Heard Lakes U14 lost 9-1 to West Wallsend the other night. Will be another long season for them it seems

Was it u14 Lakes vs u15 Westy? That's the usual deal in NPL vs NEWFM trials?
If both teams were the same age then yes, Lakes aren't looking great.

finzee
05-02-2020, 10:17 PM
Is there a reason why the 13 to 16s NPL & NPL1 juniors not be graded separately from the seniors like in the Sydney NPL?

Where juniors are graded on results in 2 divisions and if a NPL team drops down they need to fight to get back up to match the senior team.

Not saying there would be many changes but would make thing interesting.

Goatscheese
10-02-2020, 09:07 PM
Is there a reason why the 13 to 16s NPL & NPL1 juniors not be graded separately from the seniors like in the Sydney NPL?

Where juniors are graded on results in 2 divisions and if a NPL team drops down they need to fight to get back up to match the senior team.

Not saying there would be many changes but would make thing interesting.

Yeah would be good if there was any promotion or relegation in Newcastle.

Captain_Carl
12-02-2020, 05:08 PM
Please share your opinions:

In season 2020 will the U14, U15 & U16 results be somewhat predictable based on the results the clubs had last year in U13, U14 & U15 or does anyone know of significant changes at particular clubs that might shake things up a bit? Then we have U13 who we tend to know less about. I would imagine that clubs such as Magic, Olympic and Jaffas will field strong teams but have been given the heads up that Maitland and Valentine are two dark horses to watch out for.

Negative Police
12-02-2020, 10:49 PM
Please share your opinions:

In season 2020 will the U14, U15 & U16 results be somewhat predictable based on the results the clubs had last year in U13, U14 & U15 or does anyone know of significant changes at particular clubs that might shake things up a bit? Then we have U13 who we tend to know less about. I would imagine that clubs such as Magic, Olympic and Jaffas will field strong teams but have been given the heads up that Maitland and Valentine are two dark horses to watch out for.

Throw Adamstown in there

Hunter403
12-02-2020, 10:54 PM
I saw Charlestown 15s and 16s tonight vs South Cardiff 16s and Kahibah 18s respectively. Both lost and didn't offer much. Could be a long season but its early days. Charlestown 13s are full of Jets kids for this season. Probably be gone for next season, so they will likely have a strong year in 2020 and be out madly recruiting in 2021.
Jaffas have strengthened both their 15s and 16s so should be in the mix. I also hear that their 13s are pretty good too.
Olympic will be strong in all years, and I have heard that Adamstown are looking pretty good too. Magic have had quite a few changes so who knows what to expect from them.
Haven't heard much about the others.

Negative Police
13-02-2020, 10:43 PM
I saw Charlestown 15s and 16s tonight vs South Cardiff 16s and Kahibah 18s respectively. Both lost and didn't offer much. Could be a long season but its early days. Charlestown 13s are full of Jets kids for this season. Probably be gone for next season, so they will likely have a strong year in 2020 and be out madly recruiting in 2021.
Jaffas have strengthened both their 15s and 16s so should be in the mix. I also hear that their 13s are pretty good too.
Olympic will be strong in all years, and I have heard that Adamstown are looking pretty good too. Magic have had quite a few changes so who knows what to expect from them.
Haven't heard much about the others.

Told about this trial. Magic 13's 4-0 over Charlestown 13s

Dont know if full squads were there

Goatscheese
17-02-2020, 08:59 PM
Heard Magic 13s and 14s beat their respective Charlestown teams yesterday

Hunter403
18-02-2020, 12:18 AM
Jaffas 14s lost to Jets 13s
Jaffas 15s beat Jets 14s
Jaffas 16s beat Jets 15s.
Jaffas 18s beat Jets 16s.

Aegon
18-02-2020, 10:08 AM
Jaffas 14s lost to Jets 13s
Jaffas 15s beat Jets 14s
Jaffas 16s beat Jets 15s.
Jaffas 18s beat Jets 16s.

That's a pretty good effort all around.

Aegon
20-02-2020, 03:19 PM
Posted originally in the SAP thread, but just though it more appropriate here:

https://newcastleolympicfc.wordpress.com/2020/02/13/newcastle-olympic-establishes-its-own-newcastle-olympic-football-academy/

Newcastle Olympic wishes to announce the establishment of the Newcastle Olympic Football Academy (NOFA). The Academy (NOFA) will serve the needs of individual players regardless of age, team, or development phase. The training will be based on developing attributes that are consistent with NOFC’s philosophy and ethos regarding technical ability, work ethic, and personal character.

Interesting read - More and more clubs coming up with their own alternatives to the TSP. Are the clubs unhappy with the results being shown?

W8 WATCHER
20-02-2020, 04:22 PM
Posted originally in the SAP thread, but just as appropriate here:

Newcastle Olympic establishes its own Newcastle Olympic Football Academy

Newcastle Olympic wishes to announce the establishment of the Newcastle Olympic Football Academy (NOFA). The Academy (NOFA) will serve the needs of individual players regardless of age, team, or development phase. The training will be based on developing attributes that are consistent with NOFCís philosophy and ethos regarding technical ability, work ethic, and personal character.

Interesting read - More and more clubs coming up with their own alternatives to the TSP. Are the clubs unhappy with the results being shown?

aegon
can you further explain what you refer to results shown!

NOFA providing there own ethos and style, is the way to go, this should serve well for there own player stream in the future, this also depends on coaching staff at time, promoting youngsters or paying overs for aged players or jets players which have been told there services are no longer available.

YewYew
20-02-2020, 05:07 PM
aegon
can you further explain what you refer to results shown!

NOFA providing there own ethos and style, is the way to go, this should serve well for there own player stream in the future, this also depends on coaching staff at time, promoting youngsters or paying overs for aged players or jets players which have been told there services are no longer available.

U sayin Olympic not so good at promoting there own kids?

I cant read the link but think Newy clubs having academys is a good thing as long as it ain't just a cash grab. some NPL clubs in sydney have there own academies and produce good kids. if its about making kids better i am all for it.

W8 WATCHER
20-02-2020, 05:19 PM
U sayin Olympic not so good at promoting there own kids?

I cant read the link but think Newy clubs having academys is a good thing as long as it ain't just a cash grab. some NPL clubs in sydney have there own academies and produce good kids. if its about making kids better i am all for it.

I don't think I said that?
I said its the way to go, if designed fit for purpose for the club

As for Sydney academies and good kids. not sure where these good kids you referring are.
Aus national u23 teams struggle to beat the likes of Thailand, Vietnam etc
All focused on revenue, not talent or development, always will be

Aegon
20-02-2020, 05:26 PM
aegon
can you further explain what you refer to results shown!

NOFA providing there own ethos and style, is the way to go, this should serve well for there own player stream in the future, this also depends on coaching staff at time, promoting youngsters or paying overs for aged players or jets players which have been told there services are no longer available.

Just repeating some concerns I’ve heard previously. Inconsistent messaging between club and TSP leading to the clubs being unhappy with some of the guidance and direction that the TSP boys are receiving.
Several clubs are now setting up their own alternatives to TSP. Just thinking is it as a result of the training the TSP boys are receiving, or ensuring the players not at TSP are getting complimentary training.

YewYew
20-02-2020, 05:31 PM
I don't think I said that?
I said its the way to go, if designed fit for purpose for the club

As for Sydney academies and good kids. not sure where these good kids you referring are.
Aus national u23 teams struggle to beat the likes of Thailand, Vietnam etc
All focused on revenue, not talent or development, always will be

but the kids that make them national teams aint from Newy, they from Sydney. Clubs there must be doing something right,

YewYew
20-02-2020, 05:33 PM
Just repeating some concerns I’ve heard previously. Inconsistent messaging between club and TSP leading to the clubs being unhappy with some of the guidance and direction that the TSP boys are receiving.
Several clubs are now setting up their own alternatives to TSP. Just thinking is it as a result of the training the TSP boys are receiving, or ensuring the players not at TSP are getting complimentary training.

wot other clubs have got there own TSP? i heard RH did it with NET & with jaffas but aint heard about 2 many others

Aegon
20-02-2020, 05:37 PM
wot other clubs have got there own TSP? i heard RH did it with NET & with jaffas but aint heard about 2 many others

Jaffa’s, Charlestown (Newcastle Football Academy) and Maitland (Hipe). Edgy apparently doing extra training as well. Maybe others?

YewYew
20-02-2020, 06:36 PM
Jaffa’s, Charlestown (Newcastle Football Academy) and Maitland (Hipe). Edgy apparently doing extra training as well. Maybe others?

I thought Newcastle Academy was private? Run by a former jet kid?

Goatscheese
20-02-2020, 09:56 PM
I thought Newcastle Academy was private? Run by a former jet kid?

That's correct the founder just so happened to be a Charlestown coach and is now at Edgeworth.

Captain_Carl
20-02-2020, 10:09 PM
Trial games tonight.
U13 Valo 1 Jaffas 0
U14 Jaffas 2 Valo 1

JettyJet
21-02-2020, 01:17 PM
That's correct the founder just so happened to be a Charlestown coach and is now at Edgeworth.
I'd check on that...

Aegon
21-02-2020, 01:53 PM
That's correct the founder just so happened to be a Charlestown coach and is now at Edgeworth.

The founder is Charlestowns SAP coordinator or TD equivalent I heard.

Regardless, they are doing something right in the younger ages. They were substantially better later in the season than they were at the start.

Goatscheese
21-02-2020, 09:37 PM
The founder is Charlestowns SAP coordinator or TD equivalent I heard.

Regardless, they are doing something right in the younger ages. They were substantially better later in the season than they were at the start.

The founder is Liam McDonald who is now at Edgeworth and last year was their U13s coach. Started as their U14s coach but left toward the end of last year.

Mick Hugo was the TD when the Academy was established he has nothing to do with it and is Assistant at Edgeworth 13s and Head Coach of South Cardiff 18s

Aegon
22-02-2020, 03:08 PM
The founder is Liam McDonald who is now at Edgeworth and last year was their U13s coach. Started as their U14s coach but left toward the end of last year.

Mick Hugo was the TD when the Academy was established he has nothing to do with it and is Assistant at Edgeworth 13s and Head Coach of South Cardiff 18s

Talking about the wrong people mate. I was talking about Azzurri’s SAP TD or SAP co ordinator. Whatever the title is. He’s a coach of one of the Charlestown 10 SAP teams last year and this year is their SAP TD.

I may be 100% wrong but I was told he founded the Newcastle city football academy and bought in Liam as a head coach.

Captain_Carl
22-02-2020, 03:51 PM
Today Magic played Mariners and got totally SMASHED in every age group. In other news Weston Youth teams were SMASHED by Mounties Wanderers. The gap in standard is very big indeed. More news just in: Jets 13s defeated Edgy 14s 3-2; Edgy 15’s defeated Jets 14s 2-1.

JettyJet
23-02-2020, 10:41 PM
The 14s CCMA beat The NNSWNPL Grand Finals winners 19 nil....

YewYew
23-02-2020, 10:59 PM
The 14s CCMA beat The NNSWNPL Grand Finals winners 19 nil....

Seriously? Geez. I heard magic youth in a bit of a mess but this? Questions gonna asked of coaches and mngmt

YewYew
23-02-2020, 11:01 PM
Today Magic played Mariners and got totally SMASHED in every age group. In other news Weston Youth teams were SMASHED by Mounties Wanderers. The gap in standard is very big indeed. More news just in: Jets 13s defeated Edgy 14s 3-2; Edgy 15’s defeated Jets 14s 2-1.

Got told magic NET beat CCM in 12s so not total wipe out

Beaver
25-02-2020, 10:19 PM
Further trials tonight & shows not enough quality to cover the NPL teams when MaitlandFC U13ís beat Lake Macquarie 16-1 & could have been a lot more-Lakes lack quality to play at this level which is sad for the kids who are committed . Maitland were very good but also allowed to
2 more years before all clubs control their own destiny of recruitment through SAP, which will hopefully fix these loo-sides results

Captain_Carl
25-02-2020, 11:10 PM
Further trials tonight & shows not enough quality to cover the NPL teams when MaitlandFC U13’s beat Lake Macquarie 16-1 & could have been a lot more-Lakes lack quality to play at this level which is sad for the kids who are committed . Maitland were very good but also allowed to
2 more years before all clubs control their own destiny of recruitment through SAP, which will hopefully fix these loo-sides results

It is not good. That Lake Macquarie team had to conduct 3 trials just to fill the team let alone choose the best players.

finzee
26-02-2020, 10:42 PM
Further trials tonight & shows not enough quality to cover the NPL teams when MaitlandFC U13’s beat Lake Macquarie 16-1 & could have been a lot more-Lakes lack quality to play at this level which is sad for the kids who are committed . Maitland were very good but also allowed to
2 more years before all clubs control their own destiny of recruitment through SAP, which will hopefully fix these loo-sides results

Sad considering that Macquarie had 3 very good u12 SAP teams right on their doorstep last year. Wonder who pillaged those lads?

Goatscheese
27-02-2020, 12:14 AM
Sad considering that Macquarie had 3 very good u12 SAP teams right on their doorstep last year. Wonder who pillaged those lads?

Magic filled up most of their U13s with Macquarie SAP kids, Magic TD used to be involved there and didn't even want a look at the Magic NET team

Captain_Carl
27-02-2020, 07:47 AM
Magic filled up most of their U13s with Macquarie SAP kids, Magic TD used to be involved there and didn't even want a look at the Magic NET team

I know the Macquarie TD and he told me out of the 38 Macquarie U12 kids from last season Magic got just 4. Valentine got 10, Edgeworth got 6, Adamstown got 5, Weston got 4, Lake Macquarie got 2, Jaffas got 2, Olympic got 1, Maitland got 1, Mariners got 1 and 2 no longer playing.

Hunter403
27-02-2020, 12:44 PM
I know the Macquarie TD and he told me out of the 38 Macquarie U12 kids from last season Magic got just 4. Valentine got 10, Edgeworth got 6, Adamstown got 5, Weston got 4, Lake Macquarie got 2, Jaffas got 2, Olympic got 1, Maitland got 1, Mariners got 1 and 2 no longer playing.

That's a pretty good spread. It is good that they didn't all go to the one club. Perhaps a little Valo weighted but they need it in NPL youth

Goatscheese
05-03-2020, 10:29 PM
How are youth teams shaping up this year? Heard Broadmeadow had a solid win in a trail against Azzuri last week in 13s.

Captain_Carl
08-03-2020, 03:40 PM
How are youth teams shaping up this year? Heard Broadmeadow had a solid win in a trail against Azzuri last week in 13s.

Broadmeadow vs Valentine
13s 3-3 draw
14s 3-2 Magic
15s 9-1 Magic
16s 3-2 Valo

Eastwest
08-03-2020, 04:53 PM
E Jets 15s won 6-0 v Dunbar. no contest

Aegon
08-03-2020, 05:45 PM
Broadmeadow vs Valentine
13s was 3-3
14s 3-2 Magic
15s 9-1 Magic
16s 3-2 Valo

Good effort from Valo. 15’s Magic are going to be tough to beat this year.

Captain_Carl
08-03-2020, 05:48 PM
Yep 3 really tight games and Magic 15s very dominant as the score suggests.

Beaver
15-03-2020, 07:02 PM
Some very loo sided results in NPL youth this weekend- the NOlympic & Maitland U13íís was a cracker with Maitland winning 4-3 after being down 3-0 after opening 10 minutes -but NO very , very strong in other age groups 14ís & 15ís way too strong & early days but Iím predicting these teams will dominate their Comp this year 16ís was more even than the 5-0 result , but Olympic ridiculously strong again!!

Hunter403
15-03-2020, 10:57 PM
The15s looks like having a few strong teams. Olympic, Magic, Jaffas and Edgy. Magic and Jaffas have had 2 strong wins and Olympic very good in their only match. Edgy won both of theirs too.

Captain_Carl
22-03-2020, 09:38 AM
Looking at how fast COVID-19 is spreading I honestly believe season 2020 is over. So Youth NPL teams only got to play 2 rounds and some only 1. It will be interesting to see how clubs proceed into next season. Will they carry the same team/coach forward into the next age group or re-trial? In the case of U16s going into U18s there would certainly need to be trials as some of the current U18s will still be eligible for U18s next year while almost all current U16s will be too old for U16s next year. I don’t know if clubs have given this much consideration yet as there is still a lot of wishful thinking out there. I would be interested to hear what people think.

Goatscheese
22-03-2020, 10:16 AM
Looking at how fast COVID-19 is spreading I honestly believe season 2020 is over. So Youth NPL teams only got to play 2 rounds and some only 1. It will be interesting to see how clubs proceed into next season. Will they carry the same team/coach forward into the next age group or re-trial? In the case of U16s going into U18s there would certainly need to be trials as some of the current U18s will still be eligible for U18s next year while almost all current U16s will be too old for U16s next year. I donít know if clubs have given this much consideration yet as there is still a lot of wishful thinking out there. I would be interested to hear what people think.

We won't be back on the 14th April. Lucky to be back by start of May.

Most clubs will continue with their usual plan of retaining some players and telling others they will need to re-trail. Clubs have had all pre-season to guage it's just a blow to those players that may have vastly improved over the year. Northern could just bump up the age groups U13-U17 and U19 if the entire season is written off. Then revert to normal for 2022. Northern won't of course too hard, it will just be a start again and clubs do as they see fit.

Bremsstrahlung
22-03-2020, 03:05 PM
Mmm changing age groups is great for the guys in teams this year, but then what? You lose 2 years worth of players.

I hope clubs band together and make some kind of competition in 2020. Even if we don’t get on until July, August, playing a mini round robin groups based on last years final table and finals series. At least get something out of the season.

It’s a long offseason as is.

Swanky
24-03-2020, 08:58 AM
This virus could go for a long time but if there is miraculous recovery all NPL clubs bar Valentine can play on there grounds all year long.
No reason why we could not start on 1st of July and finish in November if the virus clears
This could work for both Youth and Senior NPL

Captain_Carl
24-03-2020, 11:55 AM
This virus could go for a long time but if there is miraculous recovery all NPL clubs bar Valentine can play on there grounds all year long.
No reason why we could not start on 1st of July and finish in November if the virus clears
This could work for both Youth and Senior NPL

Technically correct but keep in mind trials for the following year usually take place in September. Sure they could be moved later to November or whenever but then you start to have logistical issues. One example is ordering new player kits (mostly from China) and they take a long time to arrive.

Goatscheese
24-03-2020, 06:24 PM
This virus could go for a long time but if there is miraculous recovery all NPL clubs bar Valentine can play on there grounds all year long.
No reason why we could not start on 1st of July and finish in November if the virus clears
This could work for both Youth and Senior NPL

Just need Northern and FFA to put some pressure on the council to allow them to continue to use the field for game days.

Reds Forever
24-03-2020, 06:40 PM
Technically correct but keep in mind trials for the following year usually take place in September. Sure they could be moved later to November or whenever but then you start to have logistical issues. One example is ordering new player kits (mostly from China) and they take a long time to arrive.

If any season is played this year, have no doubt it will be shortened season and may run into cricket season. Trials can always be pushed back later in year and would not be surprised if next year is pushed back and shortened.

Hunter403
24-03-2020, 08:30 PM
Just need Northern and FFA to put some pressure on the council to allow them to continue to use the field for game days.

Would help if cricket didn't block book every ground around regardless of whether they intend to use it or not.

Goatscheese
24-03-2020, 09:43 PM
Would help if cricket didn't block book every ground around regardless of whether they intend to use it or not.

That's another issue too, I see cricket blocking grounds out and then not used at all on weekends.

Swanky
24-03-2020, 10:10 PM
If any season is played this year, have no doubt it will be shortened season and may run into cricket season. Trials can always be pushed back later in year and would not be surprised if next year is pushed back and shortened.

No NPL grounds have cricket on it (except for Valentine). Players can decide whether they want to play football or cricket. Most Football games will be played later so kids could play both if they wish.

YewYew
25-03-2020, 11:40 PM
No NPL grounds have cricket on it (except for Valentine). Players can decide whether they want to play football or cricket. Most Football games will be played later so kids could play both if they wish.

If we get a season Northern should be pushing use of available grounds to complete all games. Magic park, edgy, Darling ainít got no ground pressure in cricket season so just hold games all day @ those grounds. All money go into the pot & shared even among all clubs. Gets games done, gives a comp & clubs get some $$$. Galas for short season probably gets more ppl involved so might even help spread the comp to non soccer fans

Johnno
26-03-2020, 12:22 AM
Hearing a couple of unconfirmed reports (got it 2nd hand) that parents have gone to clubs to ask for a refund given what’s happening, no chance season starting on Northerns publicised date and their circumstances and the refunds have been denied. Anyone know anything further? I would hope this is not the case.

Captain_Carl
26-03-2020, 05:28 AM
Hearing a couple of unconfirmed reports (got it 2nd hand) that parents have gone to clubs to ask for a refund given what’s happening, no chance season starting on Northerns publicised date and their circumstances and the refunds have been denied. Anyone know anything further? I would hope this is not the case.

I have been told the same. With an increasing number of people losing their jobs and running out of money this will only grow. If we get back to football at all this season I would be very surprised.

Dontknowmuch
26-03-2020, 12:03 PM
I have been told the same. With an increasing number of people losing their jobs and running out of money this will only grow. If we get back to football at all this season I would be very surprised.

The season will get played in some form. There is no reason why it can't run all the way till the end of the year. Football is the biggest participation sport and will get played in preference to summer sports if the season overlap. Could be the case where football is played from September or hopefully earlier all the way to the December holidays all the Summer sports start in January and we start again in June. It can all happen people just need to think outside the box. Refund's are not straight forward especially for the players that have already had a game this season and those that have used the $100 voucher because that can't be returned to player. Everyone just needs to be patient and when the virus is beaten make the best of a very bad situation with all the sports having to take a hit in some form.

The Dunster
26-03-2020, 08:44 PM
https://i.imgur.com/85iByfT.png

I think coaching football is a lot harder. I mean you just plug in the data and you get a definitive answer.
Football is a lot of unknowns.

finzee
26-03-2020, 08:54 PM
Could be the case where football is played from September or hopefully earlier all the way to the December holidays all the Summer sports start in January and we start again in June.

Cricket takes most grounds from October. Maybe the NPL youth could avoid this due to NPL grounds not having cricket on them.

Goatscheese
27-03-2020, 11:22 AM
Cricket takes most grounds from October. Maybe the NPL youth could avoid this due to NPL grounds not having cricket on them.

Northern and FFA need to have a chat with local councils about this. Including ensuring that if cricket do book a ground they actually use it. See plenty of block bookings by cricket clubs and the association and no games on it for weeks on end.

Dontknowmuch
27-03-2020, 12:04 PM
Cricket takes most grounds from October. Maybe the NPL youth could avoid this due to NPL grounds not having cricket on them.

Well cricket will just have to be told that that they can start when football finishes same for Surf Lifesaving etc, winter sports are the biggest participation sports they need to get played to get the most amount of the public active again. The Summer sports can't get off with NO distruption or loss everyone has to take a hit possibly over the next 2 years to get back to normal.

In Melbourne are they going to stop AFL at the MCG for a cricket game?

Goatscheese
27-03-2020, 12:07 PM
Well cricket will just have to be told that that they can start when football finishes same for Surf Lifesaving etc, winter sports are the biggest participation sports they need to get played to get the most amount of the public active again. The Summer sports can't get off with NO distruption or loss everyone has to take a hit possibly over the next 2 years to get back to normal.

In Melbourne are they going to stop AFL at the MCG for a cricket game?

The AFL has a bit more clout with the MCC over use of the MCG then local clubs have with councils. Why we need heavy hitters to come in.

Onyatoes
30-04-2020, 02:24 PM
Whether or not Senior football proceeds (local Rugby League have today pulled pin if crowds not allowed), Youth football is all but guaranteed with restrictions as all clubs have given 100% support. Whilst this gives one a sense of comfort that the clubs care about Youth and SAP there is a separate agenda at play. Any Youth parent here? Ring your club. Ask them if refunds (less gear) are available regardless of whether a comp is played or not.....NPL clubs have spent the money. Probably clearing 2019 debt in November, but also to fund ridiculous sign on fees for a few Senior players. Ask the question people or continue to get screwed over and nothing will ever change. Rumblings around the country already on this front.....First XI, FFA Review with Remo Nogarotto. NNSWF will be called on at some stage to share the lay of the land. An opportune time to enforce some changes.

Hurricane
30-04-2020, 02:37 PM
Whether or not Senior football proceeds (local Rugby League have today pulled pin if crowds not allowed), Youth football is all but guaranteed with restrictions as all clubs have given 100% support. Whilst this gives one a sense of comfort that the clubs care about Youth and SAP there is a separate agenda at play. Any Youth parent here? Ring your club. Ask them if refunds (less gear) are available regardless of whether a comp is played or not.....NPL clubs have spent the money. Probably clearing 2019 debt in November, but also to fund ridiculous sign on fees for a few Senior players. Ask the question people or continue to get screwed over and nothing will ever change. Rumblings around the country already on this front.....First XI, FFA Review with Remo Nogarotto. NNSWF will be called on at some stage to share the lay of the land. An opportune time to enforce some changes.

This would be part of it with some clubs I am sure Onya.
But people wanting full refunds are kidding as well.
Proportions of a players rego goes to Northern and to ffa. Clubs aren't financially stable enough to repay that money unless it is reimbursed by Northern and ffa.
Then you have the gear component, all players get upwards of $300 in gear, bags training gear, playing strips, tracksuits, dress shirt.
The club has ordered and paid and distributed all of this gear out, so there can't be a refund here either.
But I agree with you that certain clubs definitely dip into youth registration to pay senior squads

Goatscheese
30-04-2020, 03:14 PM
Whether or not Senior football proceeds (local Rugby League have today pulled pin if crowds not allowed), Youth football is all but guaranteed with restrictions as all clubs have given 100% support. Whilst this gives one a sense of comfort that the clubs care about Youth and SAP there is a separate agenda at play. Any Youth parent here? Ring your club. Ask them if refunds (less gear) are available regardless of whether a comp is played or not.....NPL clubs have spent the money. Probably clearing 2019 debt in November, but also to fund ridiculous sign on fees for a few Senior players. Ask the question people or continue to get screwed over and nothing will ever change. Rumblings around the country already on this front.....First XI, FFA Review with Remo Nogarotto. NNSWF will be called on at some stage to share the lay of the land. An opportune time to enforce some changes.

So your club is giving a partial refund to parents? Has already given a refund?

Alan
30-04-2020, 04:54 PM
This would be part of it with some clubs I am sure Onya.
But people wanting full refunds are kidding as well.
Proportions of a players rego goes to Northern and to ffa. Clubs aren't financially stable enough to repay that money unless it is reimbursed by Northern and ffa.
Then you have the gear component, all players get upwards of $300 in gear, bags training gear, playing strips, tracksuits, dress shirt.
The club has ordered and paid and distributed all of this gear out, so there can't be a refund here either.
But I agree with you that certain clubs definitely dip into youth registration to pay senior squads

Hi guys,

Northern fees for SAP are around $350, so the rest of the fees after that go directly to the club. You are right Hurricane that some clubs do include playing strips as part of the SAP package, but some clubs do not and this is an extra on top. I will let the parents on here work out just how much of their fees go to the club but it is fair to say some SAP and Youth regos definitely prop up the Seniors at many.

I understand Onyatoes point about calling clubs out on this but clubs have been allowed to get away with this from Northern. Same in Sydney, same on the Central Coast. The game needs the root and branch change that is being hinted at by James Johnson and rego fees are top of his list.

I wholeheartedly believe community, SAP and Youth football will go ahead this year - and soon from the noises I am hearing! - but refunds will be a contentious part of club administration over the next few months. Rightly so too.

A

Aegon
30-04-2020, 07:36 PM
Jaffa’s SAP fees:
30-35% on uniforms
35-40% goes to Northern

The club gets the rest.

Still cheaper than paying for my girls gymnastics or in the past dancing.

Hunter403
30-04-2020, 08:30 PM
Jaffa’s SAP fees:
30-35% on uniforms
35-40% goes to Northern

The club gets the rest.

Still cheaper than paying for my girls gymnastics or in the past dancing.

Don't forget that the part that goes to the club has to help cver ground payments, power etc. No doubt there is something left after all the running costs are paid, but not all.

Aegon
01-05-2020, 03:01 PM
Don't forget that the part that goes to the club has to help cver ground payments, power etc. No doubt there is something left after all the running costs are paid, but not all.

Yup, completely understand. I'm not complaining, was just giving an example of the breakdown.

Alan
01-05-2020, 03:32 PM
Don't forget that the part that goes to the club has to help cver ground payments, power etc. No doubt there is something left after all the running costs are paid, but not all.

This is of course true Hunter and is important for parents to remember. But what a lot of parents may not know if that lots of clubs pool all money together from SAP all the way up to Seniors and then use this for the running of the club. The 'running' obviously includes 1st grade wages, fine payments, lighting for training at main ground lighting and maintenance, not all of which SAP and youth players have access to. Most parents I talk to would like the majority of their fees to be going towards their childs football but this isn't strictly the case for the most part.

Aegon - you sound happy with the fees you pay at your club which is great. A lot of my time spent in my role at the club is spent discussing fees with parents and I often find it difficult to justify the costs. Perhaps I'll use your example of gymnastics or dancing as a comparison!

A

Aegon
01-05-2020, 04:58 PM
This is of course true Hunter and is important for parents to remember. But what a lot of parents may not know if that lots of clubs pool all money together from SAP all the way up to Seniors and then use this for the running of the club. The 'running' obviously includes 1st grade wages, fine payments, lighting for training at main ground lighting and maintenance, not all of which SAP and youth players have access to. Most parents I talk to would like the majority of their fees to be going towards their childs football but this isn't strictly the case for the most part.

Aegon - you sound happy with the fees you pay at your club which is great. A lot of my time spent in my role at the club is spent discussing fees with parents and I often find it difficult to justify the costs. Perhaps I'll use your example of gymnastics or dancing as a comparison!

A

Gymnastics for my 5yo $200 per term, for my 8yo $330 per term + $75 annual registration. 2 hrs per week.
Dancing was way worse.

SAP $1000 per season. 3-4hrs training per week + 22 games.

Hunter403
01-05-2020, 06:24 PM
I think it would be a wise club that itemised where the fee went, for example $10 for lighting, $20 for ground hire, $30 for rego etc. Transparent itemisation would clear up a lot of arguments and also discourage clubs from passing on things like a large fine to a senior coach to all the youth players. :whistling:

It is the unknowns that lead to parental speculation.

Reds Forever
01-05-2020, 07:29 PM
Slightly off topic to fees. How have people found communication from their clubs since the shut down?

Without naming any club. Have been very disappointed in our clubs communication. We have received no information, updates, rego details or any training drills since training finished. Kids basically told to kick ball around and keep fit.

Alan
01-05-2020, 11:24 PM
I think it would be a wise club that itemised where the fee went, for example $10 for lighting, $20 for ground hire, $30 for rego etc. Transparent itemisation would clear up a lot of arguments and also discourage clubs from passing on things like a large fine to a senior coach to all the youth players. :whistling:

It is the unknowns that lead to parental speculation.

I absolutely agree with you Hunter. But at our club Iíve been told not to do that because too much information leads to too many questions. SAP and youth parents obviously wonít want to pay the Senior club bills but thatís how it is. If we itemise real costs there will be uproar. Sadly, as it stands, we name the price, parents pay, and no more questions asked.

Alan
01-05-2020, 11:28 PM
Slightly off topic to fees. How have people found communication from their clubs since the shut down?

Without naming any club. Have been very disappointed in our clubs communication. We have received no information, updates, rego details or any training drills since training finished. Kids basically told to kick ball around and keep fit.

I understand your frustration Red. At our club coaches sent out some drills early on, but the reality is that clubs have been in the dark as much as everyone else. Iíve been desperate to communicate with our parents, but with nothing concrete to say it was felt best to say nothing at all.

Hopefully, with the news from today, everything will change and youíll be overwhelmed with comms from your club!

A

Captain_Carl
02-05-2020, 08:19 AM
Youth NPL to kick off on the weekend of 4th-5th July. Finish on weekend of 31st Oct-1st Nov. No finals to be played. A couple of mid-week games thrown in and some weekends for Mid Coast and North Coast to play on both the Saturday and Sunday. Not set in stone yet but NNSWF have asked clubs to approve or otherwise.

Aegon
02-05-2020, 11:25 AM
Slightly off topic to fees. How have people found communication from their clubs since the shut down?

Without naming any club. Have been very disappointed in our clubs communication. We have received no information, updates, rego details or any training drills since training finished. Kids basically told to kick ball around and keep fit.

Excellent.
Drills, YouTube Videos, etc have been sent through plus checking in emails from the Football Director.

Dodo14
03-05-2020, 10:30 PM
Youth football was going to go ahead as the clubs cant afford to refund. Senior football was not wanted to go ahead without spectators to pay gate and canteen as clubs cant afford player payments without them.

Hurricane
03-05-2020, 10:45 PM
Youth football was going to go ahead as the clubs cant afford to refund. Senior football was not wanted to go ahead without spectators to pay gate and canteen as clubs cant afford player payments without them.

Both will go ahead, guaranteed Dodo.
If spectators are not allowed, clubs will have to speak to their senior squad and stars about taking pay cuts or not playing this season

Onyatoes
19-05-2020, 10:18 PM
You slag me off for making shit up and then you start towing my line on the Youth forums? I take it as a compliment champion. Your welcome. Yes both will play, no spectators. First past the post won't fly in Youth, forfeits will be everywhere. The NPL Seniors will go cap in hand to NNSWF. If Eland is dumb enough to pay up or give them concessions he deserves what is coming. Time for him to earn his CEO wage and show some balls and lead the way.

Hunter403
27-05-2020, 09:04 AM
Kids can go to school, sit next to each other in classes of 20 plus, be near each other in corridors etc, but they can only train in the open air in groups of 10 and have no physical contact. And the experts tell us kids are less likely to catch it.

Can't have parents watch, again in the open air, and likely way less than 100 per game but we can all congregate in shopping centres in our thousands.

Seems out of balance to me.

Goatscheese
27-05-2020, 06:48 PM
Kids can go to school, sit next to each other in classes of 20 plus, be near each other in corridors etc, but they can only train in the open air in groups of 10 and have no physical contact. And the experts tell us kids are less likely to catch it.

Less likely to spread it but it isn't just kids that play.


Can't have parents watch, again in the open air, and likely way less than 100 per game but we can all congregate in shopping centres in our thousands.

They aren't meant to be congregating in groups in shopping centres either. Just because they do doesn't mean they should.

Aegon
27-05-2020, 08:08 PM
Less likely to spread it but it isn't just kids that play.



They aren't meant to be congregating in groups in shopping centres either. Just because they do doesn't mean they should.

I think the point was more around inconsistency.

I’m with Hunter, I can’t make sense of most of the rules in place atm.

Goatscheese
27-05-2020, 08:30 PM
I think the point was more around inconsistency.

Iím with Hunter, I canít make sense of most of the rules in place atm.

Indeed talk about 50 allowed in a pub but only 10 allowed as a group to train

hamburgler
28-05-2020, 08:25 PM
Indeed talk about 50 allowed in a pub but only 10 allowed as a group to train

Watching news tonight with over 250
Broncos fans watching game from a drive in, all parked side by side, 70 cars, over 250 people, sitting outside there cars on chairs and blankets.
Social distancing in so far as each family is at least 2 metres away from the next.
Can anyone tell me how this is ok yet we canít go watch games?
My son has just turned 17 and is driving, playing 18s but we now canít go to watch at all.
Itís crazy.
Especially when you see the crowds and lack of distancing in shopping centres at times.
Expect no explanation from Northern they are useless

ForeverRed
28-05-2020, 10:40 PM
Watching news tonight with over 250
Broncos fans watching game from a drive in, all parked side by side, 70 cars, over 250 people, sitting outside there cars on chairs and blankets.
Social distancing in so far as each family is at least 2 metres away from the next.
Can anyone tell me how this is ok yet we canít go watch games?
My son has just turned 17 and is driving, playing 18s but we now canít go to watch at all.
Itís crazy.
Especially when you see the crowds and lack of distancing in shopping centres at times.
Expect no explanation from Northern they are useless
The rules come from the NSW government of sport, get facts right or donít comment

Thomas477
29-05-2020, 05:50 PM
The rules come from the NSW government of sport, get facts right or don’t comment

Why bother with facts in this thread?

KITZ
29-05-2020, 08:10 PM
The rules come from the NSW government of sport, get facts right or donít comment

I think you were looking for "NSW Office of Sport"....

Was posted today that youth including 18's will get their full season, as it is, just with shifted dates.

"There is no material change to the NPL Youth competitions. Clubs will play out their season as it is currently structured, with alterations made only to the fixtures to push the season back."

https://northernnswfootball.com.au/premier-competition-structures-for-season-2020-announced/

Goatscheese
31-05-2020, 11:09 AM
Out of the 5 comps by Northern it is the only one to not be any different.

Dodo14
31-05-2020, 10:16 PM
U18's have been pushed down to the youth group and are playing a full season as well. This is just so the clubs don't have to pay any refunds to youth players. Everything from Northern and the clubs has been about money and refunds. So sad

Captain_Carl
01-06-2020, 06:38 AM
I think you were looking for "NSW Office of Sport"....

Was posted today that youth including 18's will get their full season, as it is, just with shifted dates.

"There is no material change to the NPL Youth competitions. Clubs will play out their season as it is currently structured, with alterations made only to the fixtures to push the season back."

https://northernnswfootball.com.au/premier-competition-structures-for-season-2020-announced/

Actually there is another change. Games that are washed out will not be replayed. Such games will be classed as a draw and both teams will be awarded 1 point. North Coast are guaranteed at least half of their matches will proceed by playing on synthetic at Speers Point. Clubs whose drainage is not so good may potentially miss out, keeping in mind the BOM has forecast a wetter than usual winter.

Aegon
01-06-2020, 09:00 AM
U18's have been pushed down to the youth group and are playing a full season as well. This is just so the clubs don't have to pay any refunds to youth players. Everything from Northern and the clubs has been about money and refunds. So sad

Seems very similar to the other associations. I'm not the biggest fan of NNSWF administration but it's hard to single them out for this one.

KITZ
02-06-2020, 05:22 PM
U18's have been pushed down to the youth group and are playing a full season as well. This is just so the clubs don't have to pay any refunds to youth players. Everything from Northern and the clubs has been about money and refunds. So sad

I don't understand this comment. Money and refunds? I know I'd prefer that my kid still gets a full season (or any sort of season) of football, games are integral to development. Why is it sad, especially at this level?

I think it's sad all the community kids that are going to miss out because clubs can't run a season this year. I think the NL1 and up Youth are actually lucky to not lose a full season of football.

In regards to washed out games, I guess you can't win them all, but some sort of season is still better than nothing.