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Jeterpool
21-01-2020, 09:00 AM
A-League 2019/20 Match day 16 Wellington Phoenix v Newcastle Jets

FIXTURE FACTS

Overall – 37 fixtures between the two teams. Of this, the teams have met on 37 occasions in the A-League and on 0 occasions in the FFA Cup.
Jets Wins - 11, Phoenix Wins - 20, Drawn - 6


In Newcastle – 17 matches.
Jets Wins - 7, Phoenix Wins - 7, Drawn - 3
In New Zealand - 20 matches
Jets Wins - 4, Phoenix Wins - 13, Drawn - 3

Average Home A-League Crowd – 9426
Average Away A-League Crowd - 8399

Goals in Fixture
Jets – 47, Phoenix - 73
In New Zealand -
Jets – 15, Phoenix - 45

1st Goals in Fixture
Jets – 14, Phoenix - 22

Cards in Fixture
Jets - 73 (66 yellow, 7 red), Phoenix 63 (59 yellow, 4 red)

Last Result -
Newcastle Jets 1 (O'Donovan 62') - Wellington Phoenix 4 (Williams 1', Williams 60', Williams 65', Singh 73') at Westpac Stadium, A-League, Round 23, Season 2018/19

Starting line-ups from Last Meeting in Season 2018/19 Match day 23

Newcastle JetsWellington Phoenix
Glen MossFilip Kurto
Daniel GeorgievskiLouis Fenton
Nigel BoogaardAntony Golec
Nikolai Topor-StanleyAndrew Durante
Lachlan JacksonRyan Lowry
John KoutroumbisLiberto Cacace
Ben KantarovskiAlex Rufer
Steven UgarkovicMandi
Dimitri PetratosSarpreet Singh
Jair EduardoDavid Williams
Roy O'DonovanMax Burgess



FIXTURE RECORDS


Biggest Win

Jets 5 (Heskey 36’, Griffiths 46’, Taggart 57’, Taggart 77’, Bridges 90+3’) – Phoenix 0 at Hunter Stadium, Round 24, Season 2013/14, 22/03/2014.

Heaviest Defeat

Jets 0 – Phoenix 5 (Barbarouses 24', Finkler 36', Ridenton 49', Hoffman 66' o.g, Bonevacia 86'), Round 24, Season 2016/17 at Westpac Stadium, 26/03/2017.

Leading Scorers in fixture –


Jets - Joel Griffiths (4)
Phoenix - Shane Smeltz (6)



2019/20 A-LEAGUE SEASON STATISTICS

NumberNameAppearancesStartsSubbed OnSubbed offMinutes PlayedGoalsAssistsYellow CardsRed Cards
1Glen Moss12120110570000
2Bobby Burns84423770010
3Jason Hoffman13130511141020
4Nigel Boogaard33002700020
5Ben Kantarovski129338560020
6Steven Ugarkovic13130111482110
9Abdiel Arroyo77065271100
10Dimitri Petratos13130011703420
11Nick Fitzgerald129377520010
14Kaine Sheppard4040700000
16Matthew Millar13130011702200
18John Koutroumbis128437630000
19Kosta Petratos2020250000
20Lewis Italiano21101130000
22Lachlan Jackson1010018550020
23Matthew Ridenton95424680010
28Patrick Langlois63303080020
31Maki Petratos101080000
32Angus Thurgate137646492110
44Nikolai Topor-Stanley13130011701020



COACHING


Newcastle Jets A-League Coaching Records –

Ernie Merrick - 6 matches (2 wins, 1 draw, 3 defeats = 33% win ratio)
Mark Jones - 3 matches (0 wins, 1 drawn, 2 defeats = 0% win ratio)
Scott Miller - 3 matches (3 wins, 0 drawn, 0 defeats = 100% win ratio)
Phil Stubbins - 3 matches (0 wins, 1 draw, 2 defeats = 0% win ratio)
Clayton Zane – 2 matches (1 wins, 0 drawn, 1 defeat = 50% win ratio)
Gary Van Egmond – 12 matches (3 wins, 3 drawn and 6 defeats = 25% win ratio)
Craig Deans - 1 match (0 win, 0 drawn, 1 defeat = 0% win ratio)
Branko Culina – 7 matches (2 wins, 0 drawn, 5 defeats = 29% win ratio)
Nick Theodorakopoulos - No matches
Richard Money - No matches

Jeterpool
21-01-2020, 09:01 AM
Yep. We play at 5:15 on a Friday afternoon for some unknown reason.

Great work, fixture brainiac.

At least the loss will be dealt before the weekend even starts.

Jeterpool
21-01-2020, 09:02 AM
In all seriousness, I think this squad is better suited to playing as a 3-5-2 if Boogs is back this week.

Do it Deans

StannyCFCJET
21-01-2020, 10:17 AM
In all seriousness, I think this squad is better suited to playing as a 3-5-2 if Boogs is back this week.

Do it Deans

Is that with wingbacks or wingers?

Jeterpool
21-01-2020, 10:25 AM
Wingbacks.

I'd play

Keeper

Jackson - Boogs - Topor

Millar - Kanta - Stevie - Burns

Dimi

Arroyo - Thurgate

Tommyjet
21-01-2020, 10:34 AM
Wingbacks.

I'd play

Keeper

Jackson - Boogs - Topor

Millar - Kanta - Stevie - Burns

Dimi

Arroyo - Thurgate

I like that, let Dimi drift to find space. Need some to bludge and stay high and wide on the right to force Cacace to reconsider going forward so much.

Jeterpool
21-01-2020, 10:40 AM
I like that, let Dimi drift to find space. Need some to bludge and stay high and wide on the right to force Cacace to reconsider going forward so much.

It's meant to be Dimi in that general central role, not specifically stuck out right - that was simply me being to lazy to format my post to put him centrally.

StannyCFCJET
21-01-2020, 10:47 AM
I'd like Dimi to have a few weeks on the bench and Not sure Burns would have the engine to be a wingback

The Dunster
21-01-2020, 10:57 AM
Hard to see things turning around looking at that lineup.
Kanta shouldn't even be up for selection based on how many times he's turned over the ball in the past few weeks.
Millar doesn't score enough goals to get away with how poorly he defends.
Nick Fitzgerald can't score goals, can't defend, and has absolutely no ticker. We should be promoting youth before giving him game time.
Hoffman as far as I'm concerned starts every week. He's our most versatile player and you can never question his effort. He might miss a few but his ability to find space is unmatched in this squad.
Arroyo needs a partner up front - If Kosta Petratos isn't good enough to be given the opportunity why they **** don't we just pay him out and move on ?
Thurgate is not a Striker or an 90 min player yet. We should use him off the bench.

The Dunster
24-01-2020, 06:30 PM
Arroyo absolutely butchered that chance.

Back 3 is working so far but we really need avgoal scorer.

Arroyo is good for creating chances but he's not a finisher.

MFKS
24-01-2020, 06:31 PM
How is Kanta in the team at the moment??

15 mins in
1 ball needlessly misplaced out for a throw in when he by passed 2 short options
Then just let's the ball go through him like an u6 player

The Dunster
24-01-2020, 06:39 PM
Jackson looks to have done a knee or acl....physio calling for the curtains and a 12 gauge.

MFKS
24-01-2020, 06:40 PM
The back 5 was looking good until Jackson went down injured

Typical Jets

baldrick
24-01-2020, 06:44 PM
Jackson looks to have done a knee or acl.

that looked a pretty nasty injury

Hunter403
24-01-2020, 06:44 PM
Today is Johhny K's day to shine! :wink:

The Dunster
24-01-2020, 06:44 PM
Not sure how Katroumbis will go in this formation. It's not ecactly a like for like sub

Hunter403
24-01-2020, 06:45 PM
I'm just staggered that we are 27 minutes in and haven't conceded

The Dunster
24-01-2020, 06:46 PM
Hoffman fukk me you are shit son.

MFKS
24-01-2020, 06:46 PM
Can't say I am surprised with Hoff there

Bloke is not a state League level attacker

The Dunster
24-01-2020, 06:47 PM
Hoff should be hooked for that.

The Dunster
24-01-2020, 06:49 PM
Burns looks a different level in the Wellington weather.

Jetmaster
24-01-2020, 06:53 PM
And that is the problem with VAR....refs and linesman just getting lazy.

Hunter403
24-01-2020, 06:53 PM
is this available on line? I have no fox or kayo

&1gest
24-01-2020, 06:59 PM
Try Cricfree tv

MFKS
24-01-2020, 07:02 PM
is this available on line? I have no fox or kayo

Run a VPN
Pick Argentina
Go to YouTube
My Football

The Dunster
24-01-2020, 07:04 PM
Why wouldn't we give Deans the job?

Regardless of the result here we at least look competitive again.

MFKS
24-01-2020, 07:08 PM
Why wouldn't we give Deans the job?

Regardless of the result here we at least look competitive again.

Settle the **** down

We have played 45 mins of competent football

No matter what these dumb **** Kiwi commentators say for all our alleged domination we ain't tested their keeper

This isn't anything to write home about. This should be a standard event where we actually look solid defensively for the first 45 mins and not a rarity

Tommyjet
24-01-2020, 07:14 PM
We won't because of Jacko injury but I'd love a Shep or thurgate on for Hoff sub.

Jetmaster
24-01-2020, 07:30 PM
Now....we would have missed that.

MFKS
24-01-2020, 07:33 PM
Good to see the VAR sound asleep again

Hunter403
24-01-2020, 07:33 PM
Normal service resumed and we are behind

The Dunster
24-01-2020, 07:36 PM
Johnny K oblivious to his own lack of pace. Why he doesn't just leg it rather than wait for the ball to go past him is anyones guess.

MFKS
24-01-2020, 07:42 PM
Can't wait for VAR to overturn that

The Dunster
24-01-2020, 07:47 PM
Looked like a handball by the nux player who passef it to the scorer

Hunter403
24-01-2020, 07:52 PM
well back on level terms but only for 3 minutes....

The Dunster
24-01-2020, 07:57 PM
Pele on for Kanta

MFKS
24-01-2020, 08:11 PM
How the ****

Hunter403
24-01-2020, 08:12 PM
and another defeat..

The Dunster
24-01-2020, 08:14 PM
Good effort but disappointing that we didn't put away our chances.

StannyCFCJET
24-01-2020, 08:17 PM
Good effort but disappointing that we didn't put away our chances.

Lack quality is the issue

Roundball Enthusiast
24-01-2020, 08:19 PM
Looking forward to seeing the announcement of Hoff getting an extension on his contract for another 15 years after his performance tonight.

Mark325
24-01-2020, 08:27 PM
Need to start putting Thurgate next to Ugarkovic and Hoff to the bench to be used as a utility with Shep or Kosta used as the second striker instead. Not saying either would be stand out but it's worth trying something new then just letting Hoff **** up chances left right and centre

belchardo
24-01-2020, 08:47 PM
Small thing but at least the players looked gutted/ashamed when they came over after the game. Kudos to them, they all came over after the game.

Aegon
24-01-2020, 09:20 PM
Is Dimi trying? Even the commentators called him out for not making runs tonight.

Regardless, hoff’s miss and Millar’s lazy run back playing Davila on-side were the unforgivable moments of the night.

If deans, or whoever replace him can’t figure out that Hoff and Kanta need to be benched then we have no hope going forward.

On a positive note:

The formation worked well for the most part. Boogs & Topor were great at the back and it allowed much more freedom for Burns and Millar in attack who were both very impressive going forward.

Stevie & Arroyo both had great games

380
24-01-2020, 09:30 PM
Hoff & kanta, Not bad for a pair of blokes recently rewarded with extensions FFS.

sorefootballer
24-01-2020, 10:00 PM
Like everyone on here i am still dumbfounded as to how hoff still gets a shot up front. Seriously!! i am a poor footballer yet even i could have put my head over the ball and scored. It makes me angry to have him continually there

sorefootballer
24-01-2020, 10:01 PM
Get rid of him, i just don't care anymore. I was happy to give him a chance after the grand final year but now...well now it's just embarrassing

turbojetfireV8
24-01-2020, 10:19 PM
agree on present form Hoff would be better coming off the bench for a few matches to see if he gets the hint, thought we should have brought Gus on earlier, had a nice crack to draw a save which is why he can bring a little spark when we are flat (like we increasing grew as the second half progressed)

380
24-01-2020, 10:47 PM
The lesson should have been well and truly learnt playing Hoff anywhere but as a fullback at the commencement of last season, The fact he continues in the front third says more about our clubs professionalism and ambition at a management level.Hoff plays where he is told and unfortunately for him because our club is a clusterf^&ck they are responsible for any shite he cops.

This season is just a piss take, Just watching the W League side struggle last night was indicative of where this club is at as a whole.

mic22
25-01-2020, 12:10 AM
Topor has a big responsibility for the first goal, the way he handled that long ball was shocking.
Clearances are not a strong part of his game, for sure.

anfield
25-01-2020, 08:57 AM
Looking at the stats it's hard to see how we lost the game. The reality is we struggle big time in scoring goals.

Hoff should be in defence, At the start of the season it was fair enough they played him higher up the park as there was so many attackers out. But he had his chance and didn't do much, I agree he is just a defender. So Miller could have been used as a right winger, like at times when he was at the Mariner's. Thurgate should be starting every week, Seniority goes out the window when you are constantly loosing.

The Jets need to bring in another attacker before the end of January. They need to be proactive, really the player should have been there in the first week of January. Because the same guys are getting a game by default.

MFKS
25-01-2020, 11:30 AM
Looking at the stats it's hard to see how we lost the game. The reality is we struggle big time in scoring goals.

Hoff should be in defence, At the start of the season it was fair enough they played him higher up the park as there was so many attackers out. But he had his chance and didn't do much, I agree he is just a defender. So Miller could have been used as a right winger, like at times when he was at the Mariner's. Thurgate should be starting every week, Seniority goes out the window when you are constantly loosing.

The Jets need to bring in another attacker before the end of January. They need to be proactive, really the player should have been there in the first week of January. Because the same guys are getting a game by default.

Defensively is a bigger problem

Yesterday we defended pretty well for 98% of the game for a change

We still found 2 ways to shoot ourselves in the foot

Remember when we were shit in the past we at least had goal keepers who were player of the year. Our keepers currently do nothing for us.as they don't keep us in games by making the a save from time to time either

Bigger issue is defence and not attack
Get that sorted and we might have a chance to exert some pressure on the League Table

380
25-01-2020, 12:32 PM
Its pretty clear there are some players in this team that no matter who is coaching they will get a start every week regardless of there form. I am not a Kosta Petratos fan by any measure , In actual fact i thought he was a very average footballer at best when he was on the park at Perth Glory but the point is he should have been afforded a starting spot last night on the back of the first teams lack of getting the job done and Kosta's numerous goals in a single game just last week.As a footballer in our squad Kosta had done everything he possibly could to earn a start whilst Hoff had done everything he could possibly do to be benched.

The same could be said 6-8 weeks ago when Moss couldn't catch a cold and was having shockers week after week and Italiano could not even get a look in. Me and plenty others have rode Ridenton's ass pretty hard about him not being good enough to be a starter citing him being pissweak on the ball, can't tackle and can't make a 5 mtr pass to a team mate to save himself BUT BUT just about all those criticisms you could apply to kanta the last few weeks yet somehow i am tipping he will be in the first 11 next week.

There is plenty wrong with this club at the moment from Marty's ( Aldi cheap different ) approach and our Gypo CEO being vague with details to justify knifing Bert but you can also add a few long term players who appear be getting a free pass week to week regardless of the lack of form in there selected positions. There ain't much i guess at this point in time we can do to convince Marty to spend some cash or our Gypo CEO but one thing the club can address before next weekends game is stop fuc&*#g selecting blokes who are not performing and give others from the squad a chance.

MFKS
25-01-2020, 12:44 PM
Its pretty clear there are some players in this team that no matter who is coaching they will get a start every week regardless of there form. I am not a Kosta Petratos fan by any measure , In actual fact i thought he was a very average footballer at best when he was on the park at Perth Glory but the point is he should have been afforded a starting spot last night on the back of the first teams lack of getting the job done and Kosta's numerous goals in a single game just last week.As a footballer in our squad Kosta had done everything he possibly could to earn a start whilst Hoff had done everything he could possibly do to be benched.

The same could be said 6-8 weeks ago when Moss couldn't catch a cold and was having shockers week after week and Italiano could not even get a look in. Me and plenty others have rode Ridenton's ass pretty hard about him not being good enough to be a starter citing him being pissweak on the ball, can't tackle and can't make a 5 mtr pass to a team mate to save himself BUT BUT just about all those criticisms you could apply to kanta the last few weeks yet somehow i am tipping he will be in the first 11 next week.

There is plenty wrong with this club at the moment from Marty's ( Aldi cheap different ) approach and our Gypo CEO being vague with details to justify knifing Bert but you can also add a few long term players who appear be getting a free pass week to week regardless of the lack of form in there selected positions. There ain't much i guess at this point in time we can do to convince Marty to spend some cash or our Gypo CEO but one thing the club can address before next weekends game is stop fuc&*#g selecting blokes who are not performing and give others from the squad a chance.

That's all good and well but these games are just pre season trials for our league clashes on February 9th and March 28th

Everything else is irrelevant

Win those 2 and it is a successful season

Bremsstrahlung
25-01-2020, 02:42 PM
Surprised we haven’t marketed our defence to overseas clubs wanting to develop a keeper.