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boz-monaut
01-01-2021, 08:58 AM
discussion here

Imyourhero
02-01-2021, 12:18 PM
So first year back to reality (hopefully), what's everyone's expectations? Next few years could see some fun matches with surprise teams. I'll list the clubs in no particular order; where do we think everyone will finish? Also good to see at least 21 rounds before semis, finally getting our moneys worth of football again.

Kahibah
Bolwarra Lorn
North United
Nelson Bay
Minmi
Greta Branxton
Raymond Terrace
Mayfield Juniors

anfield
02-01-2021, 07:55 PM
So first year back to reality (hopefully), what's everyone's expectations? Next few years could see some fun matches with surprise teams. I'll list the clubs in no particular order; where do we think everyone will finish? Also good to see at least 21 rounds before semis, finally getting our moneys worth of football again.

Kahibah
Bolwarra Lorn
North United
Nelson Bay
Minmi
Greta Branxton
Raymond Terrace
Mayfield Juniors

I'd be highly surprised if Minmi aren't in the top 3. That's if they have a similar squad to their 2019 zl3 one

idontwannaplaywithhowey
03-01-2021, 09:40 AM
What happened to the Jeso boys?

onlooker
04-01-2021, 12:14 AM
So first year back to reality (hopefully), what's everyone's expectations? Next few years could see some fun matches with surprise teams. I'll list the clubs in no particular order; where do we think everyone will finish? Also good to see at least 21 rounds before semis, finally getting our moneys worth of football again.

Kahibah
Bolwarra Lorn
North United
Nelson Bay
Minmi
Greta Branxton
Raymond Terrace
Mayfield Juniors

Sadly I think Raymond Terrace will find it hard putting a team together. Both coaches they had last season before they pulled the pin have now moved onto Maitland WPL and a number of the players they had on board in what was already a depleted squad were bought in by the two coaches. Haven’t heard of a new coach being announced yet but he will need to bring along a fair few players I would say.

namwob99
23-01-2021, 07:55 AM
Hearing that Lochinvar/Phoenix are in 2s this year now?

ranger
23-01-2021, 10:44 AM
yeah that's correct according to the email I received the other day

Wandering
23-01-2021, 12:17 PM
works out well for our comp with the bye being filled, I don't imagine mid week games are easy for Muswellbrook though.
now that we have started back at training most of our squad definitely seem to have itchy feet waiting for the season to get started, hopefully all the other squads are set for numbers and nobody else is struggling to get past 2020

Captain_Carl
18-02-2021, 04:38 PM
If you are playing in Zone League 2 your aim for the season should be to be playing Zone League 1 next season. It’s all about having a winning mindset and not being content with mediocrity.

Eggs
02-03-2021, 04:25 PM
If you are playing in Zone League 2 your aim for the season should be to be playing Zone League 1 next season. It’s all about having a winning mindset and not being content with mediocrity.

Thanks for the motivational speech captain!

Bleachers
10-03-2021, 10:30 AM
ZPL Reserve Grade side looking for a trial this weekend. If any teams are keen, please PM.

Soccer Player
16-03-2021, 09:40 PM
Yo, defender here looking for a game in zone league this year, anyone still after players?

Fred Devils
21-03-2021, 11:32 AM
Yo, defender here looking for a game in zone league this year, anyone still after players?

Found a team yet?

Premy
29-03-2021, 04:24 PM
Hey Lads.
Forgive my naivety, can I get a heads up on here if we at Garden Suburb kit clash with anyone. We play in royal blue.
Thanks in Advance.

Wandering
29-03-2021, 07:02 PM
Hey Lads.
Forgive my naivety, can I get a heads up on here if we at Garden Suburb kit clash with anyone. We play in royal blue.
Thanks in Advance.

We at Minmi have sky blue on our home kit but majority Black, from the other teams teams I can think of should be no clashes with royal blue.

outsider
29-03-2021, 10:10 PM
Hey Lads.
Forgive my naivety, can I get a heads up on here if we at Garden Suburb kit clash with anyone. We play in royal blue.
Thanks in Advance.

Check with the zone office but all teams should have a change strip-remember if there is a clash the away team changes and that includes socks and shorts

Eggs
09-04-2021, 12:28 PM
Buzzing to get stuck in tomorrow!

The Hacker
09-04-2021, 03:22 PM
Buzzing to get stuck in tomorrow!

Who you playing

Wandering
10-04-2021, 07:37 AM
The season is finally here!! Good luck to everyone for the year.

Just a reminder that Minmi FC is a licensed venue along with a few other clubs in our comp and alcohol cannot be brought into the grounds.

Wandering
10-04-2021, 07:28 PM
Minmi vs South Maitland
Ressies 3-2
Firsts 0-1

namwob99
11-04-2021, 06:38 AM
Norths v Kahibah
Res 2-2
1sts 3-2

anfield
11-04-2021, 09:20 AM
Norths v Kahibah
Res 2-2
1sts 3-2

That's a pretty good result for kahibah considering they lost most of their top half of last year's squad to another club. Some 15 players or so

namwob99
17-04-2021, 12:48 PM
Norths and Gardo washed out.

Cabaye#4
17-04-2021, 03:22 PM
Norths and Gardo washed out.
You know it's football season when the wash outs begin!

Wandering
17-04-2021, 05:33 PM
Minmi V Greta
Ressies 4-1
Firsts 4-0

SMFC Phoenix
17-04-2021, 08:51 PM
SMFC v Mayfield
Res: 4-2
Firsts: 1-1

Good games in wet conditions. Didn't want to stop raining and it got very boggy in firsts.
We couldn't hit the side of a barn today but was a good solid hit out

SMFC Phoenix
24-04-2021, 05:46 PM
SMFC v Bolwarra
Res: 0-2
Firsts: 2-0

namwob99
24-04-2021, 06:24 PM
Mayfield vs Norths
Res: 0-5
1s: 0-1

Wandering
24-04-2021, 07:45 PM
Minmi vs garden suburbs

Res 5-3
Firsts 3-0

Premy
24-04-2021, 08:25 PM
"I don't have cards, I'm not sending anyone off"
Quote of the day.

Full credit to the "Club Ref" for stepping up so the boys got on.
Always a hard task, we can have a good laugh at it now.

Eggs
24-04-2021, 09:18 PM
Greta not posting their results, or should I look on the Zone League 3 thread, which is where they should be?

Wandering
25-04-2021, 04:51 PM
"I don't have cards, I'm not sending anyone off"
Quote of the day.

Full credit to the "Club Ref" for stepping up so the boys got on.
Always a hard task, we can have a good laugh at it now.

Always tough for a club referee to be involved, unfortunately looking like we will all be in this situation this year.

Thanks again to your ressies player for running the line and good luck for the season.

Fred Devils
25-04-2021, 05:33 PM
Greta not posting their results, or should I look on the Zone League 3 thread, which is where they should be?

Haha looks like this post aged well

Premy
26-04-2021, 09:25 AM
unfortunately looking like we will all be in this situation this year.
Understandable this weekend as no one wanted to play on ANZAC day.
That said it doesn't have to be this way all year. Brad Carlin says at the beginning of every year if you play Friday or Sunday he will guarantee that you will get refs, yet everyone wants to insist on playing on a Saturday.

Swanky
26-04-2021, 09:41 AM
The best way of fixing the refs crisis is making the 3rd grade a midweek comp. Whatever night the home team train on a Tues/Wed/Thur play the 3rd Grade game. This would allow referees to only send 2 refs to ZL games with home team running a line. They could even send 1 ref and both teams could run a line each.

Premy
26-04-2021, 10:38 AM
The best way of fixing the refs crisis is making the 3rd grade a midweek comp. Whatever night the home team train on a Tues/Wed/Thur play the 3rd Grade game. This would allow referees to only send 2 refs to ZL games with home team running a line. They could even send 1 ref and both teams could run a line each.

I have to disagree.
The best way to solve it is the way Brad Carlin suggest every year. Play less Saturday game's and move games to Friday or Sunday...

Swanky
26-04-2021, 12:06 PM
I have to disagree.
The best way to solve it is the way Brad Carlin suggest every year. Play less Saturday game's and move games to Friday or Sunday...

Really by ZPL & ZL1 only having 2 grades allows you to play Friday night games because with 3 grades Newcastle Football don’t allow it

ExWhistleMan
26-04-2021, 12:34 PM
The best way of fixing the refs crisis is making the 3rd grade a midweek comp. Whatever night the home team train on a Tues/Wed/Thur play the 3rd Grade game. This would allow referees to only send 2 refs to ZL games with home team running a line. They could even send 1 ref and both teams could run a line each.

Good luck finding 3 refs that want to go out midweek for a single game of third grade

namwob99
26-04-2021, 01:08 PM
There'll be no ref's again this week lads.

Premy
26-04-2021, 02:28 PM
Really by ZPL & ZL1 only having 2 grades allows you to play Friday night games because with 3 grades Newcastle Football don’t allow it
It's not ZPL & ZL1 struggling for refs is it?
It's ZL2 & ZL3 that struggle for refs. As I've said numerous times, Brad Carlin suggest every year if you play Friday or Sunday he will guarantee that you will get refs. However ZL2 & ZL3 clubs still insist that they play on Saturday and then they question why they don't receive refs. It's a simple fix, move games to Friday or Sunday or run the risk that you don't receive refs.

Thomas477
26-04-2021, 09:32 PM
It's not ZPL & ZL1 struggling for refs is it?
It's ZL2 & ZL3 that struggle for refs. As I've said numerous times, Brad Carlin suggest every year if you play Friday or Sunday he will guarantee that you will get refs. However ZL2 & ZL3 clubs still insist that they play on Saturday and then they question why they don't receive refs. It's a simple fix, move games to Friday or Sunday or run the risk that you don't receive refs.

Not just ZL2/3, all ZL1 matches last week had 2 officials for all 3 grades, 1 ZPL match had only 2 officials for all three games, and some other 3rd grades only had 2 as well.

Problem is the numbers, and unfortunately, due to the abuse that refs have copped over the years, a lot of them have had enough, as well as being over worked by northern, but that’s another issue altogether.

SMFC Phoenix
26-04-2021, 11:12 PM
IMO, best way to help remove abuse is to play a free kick from either where the ball is at the time of the abuse or where the abusive player is standing (whichever is more advantageous). If they go again it's the free and then a yellow. Or bring in 5mins on the sideline for abuse towards any official.

Fred Devils
27-04-2021, 06:33 AM
Some of the leagues in Sydney have straight yellow and 10 min on the sideline (no replacement player allowed) for dissent. Amazing how quickly the other players on a team get the others to shut up with the threat of playing a man down for a while.

ExWhistleMan
27-04-2021, 10:40 AM
IMO, best way to help remove abuse is to play a free kick from either where the ball is at the time of the abuse or where the abusive player is standing (whichever is more advantageous). If they go again it's the free and then a yellow. Or bring in 5mins on the sideline for abuse towards any official.

The problem goes well beyond abuse. The abuse is the manifestation of a general culture of hatred of referees. One only has to trawl through the comments of any football related social media post before the uneducated vitriol directed at referees materialises, ranging from accusations of incompetence at best to flat out abuse and threats at worst. Obviously, social media comments aren't a fair cross-section of the football community but that culture certainly propagates to all the way from the lowest echelons of park football to the top and as with everything, the crowd as a whole is tarred by the behaviors of a few.

Who wants to spend their weekends being universally hated no matter how well you perform your duties.

Anyway thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

Premy
27-04-2021, 04:20 PM
I agree with the sentiment that all refs should be treated better and respected. However that's not the quick fix we need right now, simple fact is that currently there are not enough refs to service the amount of games played on the Saturday. If more teams played on Friday or Sunday then this wouldn't be an issue, teams want to insist on playing on a Saturday so this is the issue we have to deal with.

Club's complain every year that they don't receive refs yet they ignore the suggestion to solve the issue.

ExWhistleMan
27-04-2021, 04:49 PM
I agree with the sentiment that all refs should be treated better and respected. However that's not the quick fix we need right now, simple fact is that currently there are not enough refs to service the amount of games played on the Saturday. If more teams played on Friday or Sunday then this wouldn't be an issue, teams want to insist on playing on a Saturday so this is the issue we have to deal with.

Club's complain every year that they don't receive refs yet they ignore the suggestion to solve the issue.


I wholeheartedly agree.

I was speaking more philosophically from my own experiences.

Thomas477
27-04-2021, 07:09 PM
IMO, best way to help remove abuse is to play a free kick from either where the ball is at the time of the abuse or where the abusive player is standing (whichever is more advantageous). If they go again it's the free and then a yellow. Or bring in 5mins on the sideline for abuse towards any official.

Pretty sure that happened in reserve grade vs Minmi.....

At the moment dissent is a caution, and if the ball is in play, the fk occurs where the player was. However, the ref can allow advantage if it’s in a more advantageous spot.

As for sin bins, it’s too hard to manage. As others have said, you already only have 2, maybe 3 refs, it’s hard to track sin bins as well.

SMFC Phoenix
27-04-2021, 09:21 PM
Pretty sure that happened in reserve grade vs Minmi.....

At the moment dissent is a caution, and if the ball is in play, the fk occurs where the player was. However, the ref can allow advantage if it’s in a more advantageous spot.

As for sin bins, it’s too hard to manage. As others have said, you already only have 2, maybe 3 refs, it’s hard to track sin bins as well.

Correct. It is in the rules but not enforced. They just need to make it black and white, encouraging refs to enforce it.

namwob99
28-04-2021, 10:59 PM
Norths vs Gardo
1s 3-0
2s 3-0

Wandering
01-05-2021, 06:07 PM
Minmi Vs Mayfield
Ressies 8-1
Firsts 1-0

Jim
01-05-2021, 06:44 PM
IMO, best way to help remove abuse is to play a free kick from either where the ball is at the time of the abuse or where the abusive player is standing (whichever is more advantageous). If they go again it's the free and then a yellow. Or bring in 5mins on the sideline for abuse towards any official.

Won a GF exactly from that rule. Player got tackled outside his box. berated the ref as the ball traveled down the other end. Ref stops game, yellow card. Brings free kick back 60 m to where abusive player was. FK hits keeper and drops, 10 players run through and belt ball in. full time whistle 10 seconds later. Wins 3-2

SMFC Phoenix
01-05-2021, 06:51 PM
SMFC v North
0-5
5-5
Horrendous game in firsts. Wouldn't think both teams were top of the table. Don't think we could have played any worse if we tried, credit to North for keeping us in the game.

Eggs
01-05-2021, 10:52 PM
Spanked us in ressies today. Definitely title contenders

namwob99
08-05-2021, 07:12 PM
Norths v Minmi
1s 2-5
2s 1-0

namwob99
12-05-2021, 11:10 PM
Bolwarra v Norths
1s 2-3
2s 1-0

SMFC Phoenix
12-05-2021, 11:36 PM
SMFC v Suburbs
Reserves: 0-1
Firsts: 3-0

Wandering
13-05-2021, 07:19 AM
Kahiba vs Minmi
Reserves 1-2
Firsts 3-0

Fred Devils
13-05-2021, 07:55 AM
Kahiba vs Minmi
Reserves 1-2
Firsts 3-0

😲😲😲

Minmi down on players in 1sts I’m assuming?

onlooker
13-05-2021, 07:59 AM
Greta V Mayfield
Res 2-1
1st 4-3

Wandering
13-05-2021, 08:25 AM
😲😲😲

Minmi down on players in 1sts I’m assuming?

All credit to Kahiba on this one, stuck to their game plan and we barely got a shot on target

namwob99
15-05-2021, 08:03 PM
Kahibah v Norths
1s 0-3
2s 1-0

Great win. Boys dug deep today, had ALOT of players out or playing injured.

Wandering
17-05-2021, 03:30 PM
SMFC Vs Minmi
Reserves 1-5
Firsts 0-1

Wandering
22-05-2021, 05:32 PM
Minmi Vs kahiba
Reserves 3-0 forfeit
Firsts 5-1

namwob99
22-05-2021, 06:52 PM
Norths vs Bolwarra
1s 5-2
2s 1-2

SMFC Phoenix
22-05-2021, 07:55 PM
SMFC v Suburbs
Res: 1-9
Firsts: 2-0

Eggs
29-05-2021, 07:13 PM
Any weekend updates?

SMFC Phoenix
29-05-2021, 08:54 PM
SMFC v Kahibah
Res: 0-1
Firsts: 3-1

namwob99
29-05-2021, 09:23 PM
Branxton vs Norths
1s 4-2
2s 1-3

Wandering
30-05-2021, 09:03 AM
Bolwarra vs Minmi
Reserves 0-4
Firsts-2-5

SMFC Phoenix
05-06-2021, 07:34 PM
Mayfield v SMFC
R 0-2
F 3-1

namwob99
06-06-2021, 05:57 PM
Gardo vs Norths
1s 0-3
2s 0-1

Wandering
06-06-2021, 07:41 PM
Greta Vs Minmi

Reserves 1-1
Firsts 0-3

namwob99
13-06-2021, 07:00 PM
Norths and Mayfield washed out this week lads.
Cricket pitch didn't hold up real well with this rain and the traffic on it apparently.

Heard there was a few upsets this weekend?!
Really making the table nice and toight.

Premy
14-06-2021, 04:25 PM
Garden Suburb vs Minmi

2nd Grade 1-0
1st Grade 1-0

namwob99
19-06-2021, 06:54 PM
Norths vs Phoenix
1s 2-0
2s 6-1 I think?

Firsts finished after 80 mins due to injury. Hope old mate heals up well and is back on the park soon. Looked a nasty one!

SMFC Phoenix
19-06-2021, 08:03 PM
Thanks to Norths number 10 (I think) who helped our Firsts player with his snapped wrist until the ambulance arrived.
Another 3 injuries to the list. That and a team wedding coming up some time soon and we will unfortunately have a forfeit or two in one or both grades shortly.

Eggs
19-06-2021, 09:03 PM
Mayfield v Minmi
Res 0-2
1st 2-5

Football lover
20-06-2021, 11:43 AM
Greta Vs Minmi

Reserves 1-1
Firsts 0-3



Has anybody seen this jason Varley play? Plays for Greta talks it up. Anybody got any info??

NUGUNS
20-06-2021, 12:26 PM
Has anybody seen this jason Varley play? Plays for Greta talks it up. Anybody got any info??

I've seen the name pop up a few times. Not afraid to jump on the smack talk.

BP Super Dynamos
21-06-2021, 09:35 AM
I play cricket with him, very passionate 🤣

Football lover
21-06-2021, 09:39 PM
I play cricket with him, very passionate 🤣

Is he any good at that? I’m asking about football I know him and he talks it up. Lol

BP Super Dynamos
22-06-2021, 12:02 PM
Is he any good at that? I’m asking about football I know him and he talks it up. Lol

No comment 🤣

Premy
26-06-2021, 07:48 AM
Bolwarra vs Garden Suburb

2nd Grade: 3-3
1st Grade: 2-2

Wandering
26-06-2021, 06:56 PM
Minmi Vs Norths

Reserves - 1-3
Firsts- 4-2

SMFC Phoenix
26-06-2021, 07:54 PM
SMFC v Branxton

Reserves 2-0
Firsts 1-0

Sausage
27-06-2021, 12:56 PM
Getting interesting in firsts, sounds like anyone in the top 4 can win on the day.

Sausage
27-06-2021, 12:59 PM
Is he any good at that? I’m asking about football I know him and he talks it up. Lol

Can be very good on his day, pretty quick & is solid in tackles, Goes in hard.

namwob99
30-06-2021, 07:04 AM
Norths v Mayfield
1s 5-0
2s 6-0

Sausage
01-07-2021, 01:07 PM
Anyone know the story behind garden suburbs stacking ressies?
A certain ZL1 side seems to believe they are stacking.

namwob99
01-07-2021, 02:26 PM
Anyone know the story behind garden suburbs stacking ressies?
A certain ZL1 side seems to believe they are stacking.

Didn't they beat the comp leaders in first grade only 3 weeks ago?!

Sausage
01-07-2021, 07:33 PM
Not sure!
But the focus is on my why they got flogged in the first 6 weeks in ressies then all of a sudden started playing 1st graders in ressies & will now win the comp.

Eggs
01-07-2021, 08:41 PM
Win the comp? I highly doubt that!

Imyourhero
01-07-2021, 09:02 PM
Aren't they coming 4th?

Sausage
01-07-2021, 11:38 PM
Draw against bolwarra, win against minmi few weeks ago. I’d say suburb stackers are a very good chance of winning the ressies comp.

Wandering
02-07-2021, 09:46 AM
Both times we have played them teams have seemed fairly similar, injuries have been smashing us this year so they could be in the same boat? Slow start to the season could just be fitness not sure it's worth looking to much into

riverboy
02-07-2021, 12:58 PM
Anyone know the story behind garden suburbs stacking ressies?
A certain ZL1 side seems to believe they are stacking.

Would be pretty poor if so. Who really remembers who wins reserve grade anyway

Sausage
02-07-2021, 04:48 PM
They stacked in ZL1 back in 2019 & years prior to that.

Wandering
03-07-2021, 08:58 AM
Minmi vs South Maitland relocated to tenambit No 1 due to our ground being too wet.

big thanks to South Maitland to getting the game on with such short notice!

SMFC Phoenix
03-07-2021, 05:42 PM
SMFC v Minmi

Reserves: 1-2
Firsts: 1-3

Last minute venue change, very happy with the results for us and Minmi deserved their victories. Had one of our 16s start in first and score, huge for him and he was so happy!

Premy
04-07-2021, 05:51 PM
They stacked in ZL1 back in 2019 & years prior to that.

There is a joke in here Mr Sausage about you being silly but I'm not witted enough to find it. If you believe that we stacked our 2nd grade back in 2019 when our 1st grade was in a relegation battle then you would believe anything. In fact were you the guy from Greta that had Gullible tattooed on his forehead today?

The rest of the Wildcats seemed like good guys and were enjoyable to play against, why are you ruining the reputation of Greta by being a Silly Sausage? There it is I found the joke.

The irony in all of this is that today Greta started their 1st grade striker in 2nd grade, despite the fact Greta had 13 other eligible players on the 2nd grade team sheet that didn't start 1st grade. Now I could go into some conspiracy theory that the Wildcats are stacking 2nd grade to get them into finals contention. However I have no idea about the circumstances as to why said striker started in 2nd grade so no need for the tin hat today.

Congratulations to your first grade today, enjoy the rest of the seasons boy.

Premy
04-07-2021, 05:52 PM
Can be very good on his day, pretty quick & is solid in tackles, Goes in hard.

I must have been watching a different person today.
He was horrible and didn't stop complaining to the ref all game.

Premy
04-07-2021, 06:12 PM
Garden Suburb vs Greta Branxton

2nd: 3-0
1st: 1-2

Sausage
04-07-2021, 06:44 PM
I must have been watching a different person today.
He was horrible and didn't stop complaining to the ref all game.
I was there today, He legit skinned your guys up the right hand side all day? Didn’t see any of your blokes catch up to him on a through ball. The bloke even ran 70m to stop a 2 on 1 against the keeper.
I’m not Branxtons biggest fan but mate he carved you guys up all day..

namwob99
04-07-2021, 06:46 PM
Sorry to distract from the above riveting convo lads but:

Norths vs Kahibah
1s 5-1
2s 5-0

Sausage
04-07-2021, 06:52 PM
I don’t play for Branxton mate, or anyone. Use to play for Maitland. Too old now days.
You guys will reserves easy. Very solid

Premy
04-07-2021, 07:04 PM
I was there today, He legit skinned your guys up the right hand side all day? Didn’t see any of your blokes catch up to him on a through ball. The bloke even ran 70m to stop a 2 on 1 against the keeper.
I’m not Branxtons biggest fan but mate he carved you guys up all day..

Now we know you're full of shite, his still in our Left Backs pocket.
Carved us up? 3-0 would suggest a different story now you're only making yourself and the Wildcats look bad.

Sausage
04-07-2021, 07:12 PM
Now we know you're full of shite, his still in our Left Backs pocket.
Carved us up? 3-0 would suggest a different story now you're only making yourself and the Wildcats look bad.

You’ve lost it completely if you think I play for the wild cats!
In his pocket? Tell me when your guy made a tackle on him? Everytime he got the ball he skinned your bloke.

Premy
04-07-2021, 07:14 PM
You’ve lost it completely if you think I play for the wild cats!
In his pocket? Tell me when your guy made a tackle on him? Everytime he got the ball he skinned your bloke.

I never said you played for the Wildcats.
All I've said is that you're making yourself and the Wildcats look bad.

Sausage
04-07-2021, 07:18 PM
I never said you played for the Wildcats.
All I've said is that you're making yourself and the Wildcats look bad.

He seemed to skip past your left back a fair few times. He wasn’t great but also wasn’t bad.
Also coming off a broken leg or something so I’ve been told?

Premy
04-07-2021, 11:14 PM
Funny how that guy never whinged to the ref all day.
Yet suburbs complained all day to the ref? Plus that pommy guy calling people ****s & swearing all game is a deadset disgrace. I’d be ashamed playing that guy every week in 1st grade. Certainly makes your club look like gutter trash.

Ah yeah there it is, that casual racism "that pommy guy" good one...
I actually feel sorry for the rest of Greta they seem like top blokes and you've ruined it for the rest of them.

Sausage
05-07-2021, 12:49 AM
If they stacked, I don’t understand that. Or any team that stacks.
Good luck for the season. You will definitely make the GF.

Sausage
05-07-2021, 01:21 AM
Wait, the club thats stacked for years has a problem with another team stacking? Ha that’s so funny.

Sausage
05-07-2021, 06:05 PM
Sorry to distract from the above riveting convo lads but:

Norths vs Kahibah
1s 5-1
2s 5-0
Kahibah still average? What’s happened to them?

namwob99
10-07-2021, 06:09 PM
Bolwarra vs Norths
1s 2-3
2s 0-2

Sausage
10-07-2021, 07:46 PM
Is it true mayfield jnrs were punching on with team mates last week against north’s?

namwob99
10-07-2021, 08:27 PM
Is it true mayfield jnrs were punching on with team mates last week against north’s?

Didn't see it. None of ours boys mentioned it.

Wandering
11-07-2021, 11:38 AM
Kahiba vs Minmi game was washed out last night

Eggs
12-07-2021, 12:49 PM
Is it true mayfield jnrs were punching on with team mates last week against north’s?

I've heard it was just a spirited discussion between a young buck and a senior player. We all know how frustrating it can get when you're getting beat every week

Wandering
17-07-2021, 09:23 AM
Minmi Vs Bolwarra moved to Victoria road sports complex due to our ground still having puddles on it

Premy
17-07-2021, 05:26 PM
Mayfield vs Garden Suburb

2nds: 1-2
1sts: 1-2

Bizarre fact for the day, Garden Suburb scored 3 goals in both grades.

Wandering
17-07-2021, 05:42 PM
Minmi vs Bolwarra
Ressies-2-3
Firsts-3-1

Big thanks to bolwarra for changing fields while we have puddles still on our pitch and saving a catch-up game

namwob99
17-07-2021, 05:58 PM
Norths vs Greta
1s 3-2
2s 3-1

riverboy
18-07-2021, 08:21 AM
Minmi Vs Bolwarra moved to Victoria road sports complex due to our ground still having puddles on it

I've heard the ground is really poor, is there any proposal for any upgrades?

Wandering
18-07-2021, 08:25 AM
Our playing field was returned this year which was a fairly major upgrade.

Council have budgeted all their funds to be spent at Kurakka at Fletcher so not in the near future.

Once development starts in the area in the next few years we are hoping to work with them on leveling the park but is a huge job

SMFC Phoenix
18-07-2021, 08:06 PM
SMFC v Kahibah
1st: 0-0
2nd: 1-1

RYB123
18-07-2021, 08:53 PM
They stacked in ZL1 back in 2019 & years prior to that.

Bit of a late reply but this rumor was started by Hamilton Azzuri a few years ago. Our third grade started the year out slow but went on a run towards the end of the season and we ended up in a battle with Azzuri for fourth which came down to us playing each other in the last round. In the leadup they started posting on Facebook about us apparently stacking and that's why we had started winning. We ended up drawing which meant we got fourth and they missed the finals. Funny thing is they actually had some of their higher grade players playing thirds that day so a bit of projecting on their part.

Years later and they still haven't let it go and have obviously convinced a few other clubs that we stack.

Premy
20-07-2021, 11:20 PM
Garden Suburb vs Kahibah

2nd Grade: 2-0
1st Grade: 1-0

SMFC Phoenix
24-07-2021, 07:04 PM
SMFC v Mayfield
1st: 0-0
2nd: 2-1

Wandering
25-07-2021, 07:22 AM
Greta vs Minmi
Reserves 1-0
Firsts 1-1

namwob99
25-07-2021, 05:49 PM
Gardo vs Norths
1s 0-1
2s 0-2

Burb's first grade gk that ridiculous against everyone or just us? Lol

RYB123
25-07-2021, 07:01 PM
Gardo vs Norths
1s 0-1
2s 0-2

Burb's first grade gk that ridiculous against everyone or just us? Lol

We decided to stack first grade this week

namwob99
25-07-2021, 07:41 PM
We decided to stack first grade this week

Just a heads up man, one of our boys is pretty certain that near on $50 got pinched out of his bag in the change rooms during reggies today.
They had the decency to do his bag up for him at least after he'd left it open.

Premy
25-07-2021, 08:04 PM
Just a heads up man, one of our boys is pretty certain that near on $50 got pinched out of his bag in the change rooms during reggies today.
They had the decency to do his bag up for him at least after he'd left it open.
Not the first time we've had something like this happen at our ground unfortunately, we had a few bags get raided well over 5 years ago.
With the changerooms entry being out of sight I think it's seen as an opportunistic steal. Please past on my apologies to the victim and let me know if there is anything I can do to assist if he wants.

namwob99
25-07-2021, 08:21 PM
Not the first time we've had something like this happen at our ground unfortunately, we had a few bags get raided well over 5 years ago.
With the changerooms entry being out of sight I think it's seen as an opportunistic steal. Please past on my apologies to the victim and let me know if there is anything I can do to assist if he wants.

All good legend.
He was ok about it, obvs a bit cranky.
Was more just thinking I'd pass on the info to you guys.

Premy
31-07-2021, 04:49 PM
Minmi vs Garden Suburb
2nd: 1-2
1st: 7-1

Sausage
31-07-2021, 06:40 PM
The burbs zinger stackers are back in stock for ressies games I see

Premy
31-07-2021, 07:04 PM
The burbs zinger stackers are back in stock for ressies games I see

Haven't you got a game on tomorrow that you need to concentrate on Jason?
We've been over this before you're giving the top blokes from Greta a bad name... tis tis tis, silly little Sausage.

Sausage
31-07-2021, 07:28 PM
The funniest thing is you think I play for Greta. Stack em up champ.

Fred Devils
31-07-2021, 07:56 PM
I love coming here every time Suburbs win in ressies and lose firsts 👀

Premy
31-07-2021, 09:12 PM
The funniest thing is you think I play for Greta. Stack em up champ.

Silly Silly Sausage, we all know who you're involved with. Nothing funny about it.
The saddest thing is that apart from you and your infatuation with us. Greta seem like a really decent club and a good bunch of bloke's, yet you and your gullible ways ruin it for the lot of them.

Your obsession with us is flattering, come see me in September and I'll give you a Suburb shirt to go with your unwavering obsession for Garden Suburb. Maybe if Greta Branxton second grade spent less time obsessing over us and concentrated on themselves they might be playing football in September.

Jump off the BBQ Sausage because you're cooked.

Eggs
31-07-2021, 09:18 PM
The burbs zinger stackers are back in stock for ressies games I see

There was no stacking. Minmi Ressies had plenty of chances to win the game, just couldn't put them away

Premy
31-07-2021, 09:29 PM
There was no stacking. Minmi Ressies had plenty of chances to win the game, just couldn't put them away

Was a well hard fought game, draw would have been a fair result. Luck went our way with the last kick of the game.
We we're down on numbers today but no excuse, you guys were far to good for us in first today.

It's clear that Sausage has never played First Grade football and he doesn't understand the step up in quality between the grades.

Sausage
31-07-2021, 09:46 PM
Was a well hard fought game, draw would have been a fair result. Luck went our way with the last kick of the game.
We we're down on numbers today but no excuse, you guys were far to good for us in first today.

It's clear that Sausage has never played First Grade football and he doesn't understand the step up in quality between the grades.

So that just proves I’m not that “Jason” bloke or whoever you think I am �� last I saw he played firsts against minmi last week
Poor burbs can’t handle a bit of banter.

Premy
31-07-2021, 09:56 PM
So that just proves I’m not that “Jason” bloke or whoever you think I am �� last I saw he played firsts against minmi last week
Poor burbs can’t handle a bit of banter.

You've got gullible tattooed on your forehead

Don't forget to pick up your Garden Suburb supports pack in September

SMFC Phoenix
01-08-2021, 12:12 AM
SMFC v Bolwarra

2nd: 0-5
1st: 1-1

Premy
01-08-2021, 09:07 AM
Rd 15 Garden Suburb vs North United first grade result has been changed from 0-1 to 3-0 due to North United fielding ineligible players.

riverboy
01-08-2021, 09:31 AM
Rd 15 Garden Suburb vs North United first grade result has been changed from 0-1 to 3-0 due to North United fielding ineligible players.

What's the story there?

Premy
01-08-2021, 09:40 AM
What's the story there?
They fielded 3 borrowed All Age players in first grade.

Eggs
01-08-2021, 09:46 AM
Rd 15 Garden Suburb vs North United first grade result has been changed from 0-1 to 3-0 due to North United fielding ineligible players.

Wonder if they'll put that on their honours board?

namwob99
01-08-2021, 10:48 AM
Yeah, we were pretty short on weekend.
Had a few all age C division boys fill in for reggies and were the only ones that could possibly sit on the pine for firsts with injuries and other commitments. With the club being new to zone football, our officials at the ground weren't aware that they could not play 1s.
Boys left the ground wondering why the Gardo official with the team sheet's smile was so large, turns out this is why. Lol

Premy
01-08-2021, 12:45 PM
Yeah, we were pretty short on weekend.
Had a few all age C division boys fill in for reggies and were the only ones that could possibly sit on the pine for firsts with injuries and other commitments. With the club being new to zone football, our officials at the ground weren't aware that they could not play 1s.
Boys left the ground wondering why the Gardo official with the team sheet's smile was so large, turns out this is why. Lol

I spoke with your first grade coach after the game and asked if he made a mistake marking Multi Registered players as Borrowed instead. He was the person who confirmed to me that they were only Borrowed player's and I informed him that Borrowed players can't play first grade.
Unfortunately ignorance/niavity isn't a defence, it's pretty clear in the rules that borrowed players can only play in the lowest grade.

What is perplexing is that one of the borrowed players started first grade so it must have been pre planned.
It's perplexing because you guys most certainly have the depth in reserve grade to call apon them before going to All Age guys to start in first grade.

I truly believe you that it was an honest mistake and that you guy's meant no foul but the rules are the rules.

namwob99
01-08-2021, 05:21 PM
I spoke with your first grade coach after the game and asked if he made a mistake marking Multi Registered players as Borrowed instead. He was the person who confirmed to me that they were only Borrowed player's and I informed him that Borrowed players can't play first grade.
Unfortunately ignorance/niavity isn't a defence, it's pretty clear in the rules that borrowed players can only play in the lowest grade.

What is perplexing is that one of the borrowed players started first grade so it must have been pre planned.
It's perplexing because you guys most certainly have the depth in reserve grade to call apon them before going to All Age guys to start in first grade.

I truly believe you that it was an honest mistake and that you guy's meant no foul but the rules are the rules.

Ha! And thank God you boys are here to police it.

Anyways.......

Norths v Mayfield
1s 2-0
2s 6-1

Premy
01-08-2021, 05:55 PM
Ha! And thank God you boys are here to police it.
We aren't the one's who policed it, that's the joint zone committee.

Judging by your reaction I'm starting to think maybe this wasn't a honest mistake and I wonder if this is the first time you've broken the rules.
If your boys didn't break the rules we wouldn't be having this conversation, simple as that.

Imyourhero
01-08-2021, 06:46 PM
They stuffed up. Move on. Don't make an ass of yourself with accusations that you can't back up. I'm sure they aren't the first to make this mistake and probably won't be the last. Ruins the tight run into the promotion race with Minmi, can't see Minmi dropping too many points herein and would have been a great last round against Norths for the promotion battle so it's all up to Minimi now really.

Imyourhero
01-08-2021, 06:48 PM
:deadhorse:

namwob99
01-08-2021, 07:52 PM
They stuffed up. Move on. Don't make an ass of yourself with accusations that you can't back up. I'm sure they aren't the first to make this mistake and probably won't be the last. Ruins the tight run into the promotion race with Minmi, can't see Minmi dropping too many points herein and would have been a great last round against Norths for the promotion battle so it's all up to Minimi now really.

Yeah that sucks man, would've been great to play off for first in the last round, but it is what it is.
We'll just keep on keeping on and see what happens.

riverboy
01-08-2021, 10:02 PM
We aren't the one's who policed it, that's the joint zone committee.

Judging by your reaction I'm starting to think maybe this wasn't a honest mistake and I wonder if this is the first time you've broken the rules.
If your boys didn't break the rules we wouldn't be having this conversation, simple as that.

I agree, they are never going to admit to it. North's have been in the competition for nearly 2 years, They would have borrowed all age guys before and they would have known the rules regarding them. Best not to comment on it as it only makes your club look more guilty. Maybe next time just pay the multi registered player fee

namwob99
02-08-2021, 04:18 AM
I agree, they are never going to admit to it. North's have been in the competition for nearly 2 years, They would have borrowed all age guys before and they would have known the rules regarding them. Best not to comment on it as it only makes your club look more guilty. Maybe next time just pay the multi registered player fee

Lol so much for moving on. But what a conspiracy.
Do you think if our coach who does our team sheets every week was trying to cheat, by using players from a lower division nonetheless, he'd bother writing 'all age c' next to the boys names?

Uzi_89
02-08-2021, 08:25 AM
Lol so much for moving on. But what a conspiracy.
Do you think if our coach who does our team sheets every week was trying to cheat, by using players from a lower division nonetheless, he'd bother writing 'all age c' next to the boys names?
Why not multi register a heap of the better all age players?

namwob99
02-08-2021, 09:50 AM
Why not multi register a heap of the better all age players?

Yeah, we have a fair few duelys registered which I think is where the 'borrowed' as opposed to 'multi-regoed' confusion came from.
These particular boys are from a new all age team that joined the club this year, whom we've been trying to introduce to the ZL squad and also get involved with the club in general so weren't really apart of discussions when regoing everyone I'd say.

Premy
02-08-2021, 10:35 AM
Lol so much for moving on. But what a conspiracy.
Do you think if our coach who does our team sheets every week was trying to cheat, by using players from a lower division nonetheless, he'd bother writing 'all age c' next to the boys names?

Why didn't you promote a few of your second grade guys into the first grade starting line up?

I can understand that the All Age guys might have been the only guys available/keen to stand by for first grade. I'm failing to understand why you guys planned to start a borrowed player ahead of regular players in first grade when you can't to do that in second grade either.

We've had one round this year with only 17 available but we still managed to field 2 teams. I'm sure other clubs have been in similar situations as well, however we've all operated within the rules of the competition.

namwob99
02-08-2021, 10:45 AM
Why didn't you promote a few of your second grade guys into the first grade starting line up?

I can understand that the All Age guys might have been the only guys available/keen to stand by for first grade. I'm failing to understand why you guys planned to start a borrowed player ahead of regular players in first grade when you can't to do that in second grade either.

We've had one round this year with only 17 available but we still managed to field 2 teams. I'm sure other clubs have been in similar situations as well, however we've all operated within the rules of the competition.

And well done to you guys.

Yeah, maybe re-check the sheets though champ. The one that started was a multi-rego, the 2 off the bench were 'borrowed'.

Premy
02-08-2021, 12:00 PM
Yeah, maybe re-check the sheets though champ. The one that started was a multi-rego, the 2 off the bench were 'borrowed'.

From memory the team sheet had 3 players down as Borrowed and 1 Multi. The 1 Multi was on the bench and your coach confirmed that the player in the starting 11 was a Borrowed player when I asked him if he made a mistake after the game. If you're telling me that he was Multi Registered then I believe you but that's not what was on the team sheet.

You only have yourselves to blame so keep your smart arse remarks to yourself.

namwob99
02-08-2021, 12:55 PM
Bahahahahahaha righto buddy, I'll sit here and read your remarks slandering the club over an innocent mistake and not say anything.

Maybe worry bout yourself and whether to continue stacking now you can make semis in 1s hey?!

Premy
02-08-2021, 01:21 PM
I spoke with your first grade coach after the game and asked if he made a mistake marking Multi Registered players as Borrowed instead. He was the person who confirmed to me that they were only Borrowed player's and I informed him that Borrowed players can't play first grade.
Unfortunately ignorance/niavity isn't a defence, it's pretty clear in the rules that borrowed players can only play in the lowest grade.

What is perplexing is that one of the borrowed players started first grade so it must have been pre planned.
It's perplexing because you guys most certainly have the depth in reserve grade to call apon them before going to All Age guys to start in first grade.

I truly believe you that it was an honest mistake and that you guy's meant no foul but the rules are the rules.
I was happy to leave it here, honest mistake made.


Ha! And thank God you boys are here to police it.
Then you thought you would be smart.

Bahahahahahaha righto buddy, I'll sit here and read your remarks slandering the club over an innocent mistake and not say anything.

Maybe worry bout yourself and whether to continue stacking now you can make semis in 1s hey?!
All of this would have been for nothing if you didn't cheat.
You can't get out of a speeding fine if you claim you didn't know the speed limit.

You broke the rules, you got caught, then you made a smart arse comment because you got caught.
Now you're trying to deflect.
Much prefer to be known as stackers based of one's opinion compared to being known as cheats based of facts.
Enjoy and all the best for the rest of the season.

riverboy
02-08-2021, 01:27 PM
Bahahahahahaha righto buddy, I'll sit here and read your remarks slandering the club over an innocent mistake and not say anything.

Maybe worry bout yourself and whether to continue stacking now you can make semis in 1s hey?!

Come on champ, Do you expect people to seriously believe the story about a mistake? Own your clubs poor decision and get on with football, The association has been asked for years to be tough on this sort of crap.

namwob99
02-08-2021, 01:28 PM
Lol was said in jest to make light of the situation. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings friend.

riverboy
02-08-2021, 03:00 PM
Lol was said in jest to make light of the situation. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings friend.

I appeared to hit a nerve......

namwob99
02-08-2021, 03:23 PM
I appeared to hit a nerve......

Bahahahahahahaha not at all, I was apologising to Premy and you just happened to put your 2 bob in in between the messages.

SMFC Phoenix
02-08-2021, 07:20 PM
You guys vs us @ Lorn had two players marked as borrowed players start that were later said to be multi registered, so be it. But how they let slide the fact not one first grade starter had a number next to their name is odd. How can you identify someone on the field without a number on the sheet. No numbers on any starting player at games end either.

namwob99
02-08-2021, 07:39 PM
You guys vs us @ Lorn had two players marked as borrowed players start that were later said to be multi registered, so be it. But how they let slide the fact not one first grade starter had a number next to their name is odd. How can you identify someone on the field without a number on the sheet. No numbers on any starting player at games end either.

Yeah, can't help ya here mate. What the ref say about the missing number?

SMFC Phoenix
02-08-2021, 07:49 PM
Yeah, can't help ya here mate. What the ref say about the missing number?
Literally nothing, was one of your refs.

namwob99
02-08-2021, 08:05 PM
Literally nothing, was one of your refs.
Yeah right, I assume you guys asked for clarification from our coach?

Eggs
02-08-2021, 08:33 PM
You guys vs us @ Lorn had two players marked as borrowed players start that were later said to be multi registered, so be it. But how they let slide the fact not one first grade starter had a number next to their name is odd. How can you identify someone on the field without a number on the sheet. No numbers on any starting player at games end either.

Have you expressed your concerns to the association?

SMFC Phoenix
02-08-2021, 10:51 PM
Yeah right, I assume you guys asked for clarification from our coach?
Yeah, I'm sure the players/staff ran around and asked coaching staff, players, grandparents, guys in the bowlo window and everyone else in the crowd to make sure you were on top of your paperwork.

SMFC Phoenix
02-08-2021, 10:52 PM
Have you expressed your concerns to the association?
Indeed. Said they would "have a word" to them, obviously not.

onlooker
03-08-2021, 09:37 AM
You guys vs us @ Lorn had two players marked as borrowed players start that were later said to be multi registered, so be it. But how they let slide the fact not one first grade starter had a number next to their name is odd. How can you identify someone on the field without a number on the sheet. No numbers on any starting player at games end either.

And the reason for bringing this up in here was for what? Just to jump on the band wagon with the other two having shots at North’s? You raised the issue with the club on the day and with the association, let them do their jobs and move on. If they don’t then that’s on them.

Same as this whole deal about the borrowed players. The association has acted handed down their judgment, the club by all accounts have accepted their mistake and the decision and have moved on yet here a few are still laying in the boot for what reason.

SMFC Phoenix
03-08-2021, 10:07 AM
And the reason for bringing this up in here was for what? Just to jump on the band wagon with the other two having shots at North’s? You raised the issue with the club on the day and with the association, let them do their jobs and move on. If they don’t then that’s on them.

Same as this whole deal about the borrowed players. The association has acted handed down their judgment, the club by all accounts have accepted their mistake and the decision and have moved on yet here a few are still laying in the boot for what reason.
By the sounds of it you were not consulted regarding the issue. Can't improve if not aware.
We have had things raised to us and all you can do is improve on them. It's an open forum, take the two cases on board and learn from them. Good luck for the remainder of the season. Tight contest for top spot in both grades.

onlooker
03-08-2021, 10:24 AM
By the sounds of it you were not consulted regarding the issue. Can't improve if not aware.
We have had things raised to us and all you can do is improve on them. It's an open forum, take the two cases on board and learn from them. Good luck for the remainder of the season. Tight contest for top spot in both grades.
I definitely wasn’t consulted as I’m not involved with any club in this competition or any in zone league, I’m just an avid follower of the Zone League comps as I have spent many years involved.

I was just curious as to why that incident was bought up what I could only assume weeks after the fact. But you are right all party’s could learn from the incidents. And that’s why all team sheets have the dispute box, if there is something that you don’t agree with sign that box.
Time to move on and talk about the business end of the football season.

riverboy
03-08-2021, 12:15 PM
And the reason for bringing this up in here was for what? Just to jump on the band wagon with the other two having shots at North’s? You raised the issue with the club on the day and with the association, let them do their jobs and move on. If they don’t then that’s on them.

Same as this whole deal about the borrowed players. The association has acted handed down their judgment, the club by all accounts have accepted their mistake and the decision and have moved on yet here a few are still laying in the boot for what reason.

Calm down champ, time to go back and sit infont of the fire with your slippers on.

There is no defence for stupidity, was simply trying to point out that mistakes have consequences. Especially if seen to be deliberate

onlooker
03-08-2021, 01:08 PM
Calm down champ, time to go back and sit infont of the fire with your slippers on.

There is no defence for stupidity, was simply trying to point out that mistakes have consequences. Especially if seen to be deliberate

Oh I’m calm thanks for your concern tho, but sitting in front of a fire with slippers and a beverage sounds nice.

No one was defending anything. The guy from North’s clearly owned up to the club making a mistake and they copped the punishment they were served. But by all means keeping proving your point. I’m sure someone will pat you on the back soon for your hard work.

Sausage
03-08-2021, 01:22 PM
Not the first time it’s happened by north’s. Just first time caught out. Hopefully no more problems from here on. Can get costly losing points.

riverboy
03-08-2021, 02:51 PM
Not the first time it’s happened by north’s. Just first time caught out. Hopefully no more problems from here on. Can get costly losing points.

Pretty funny that more then one team saying North's bend the rules. Cheating is cheating. Thinking others will just cop a crappy excuse is pathetic

bombers_away
03-08-2021, 04:35 PM
Pretty funny that more then one team saying North's bend the rules. Cheating is cheating. Thinking others will just cop a crappy excuse is pathetic

Well everyone loves an opinion and you are entitled to yours - however wrong it may be.

But here are some facts (as an official of the club):
1. The game against Garden Suburbs - we ****ed up. Playing All Age C Grade players in a First Grade game is against the rules (even though they were off the bench). The coach has put his hand up and apologised to the blokes on the park and taken responsibility for it. We have lost the points and copped our punishment sweet.

I can categorically say that is the only time an all age player has played in First Grade as a Borrowed player. We have 7 Multi Registered players who do regularly play Zone League. Whether you believe me or not, that's up to you.

To say this mistake is 'cheating' is ridiculous. Not knowing the rules is not an excuse and I am not making one. But if we were cheating why would we have marked the wrong box? Why would we have admitted it to the Suburbs official on match day? There was no attempt to deceive. It was honestly a mistake which was owned up to on the day and the punishment delivered swiftly. End of story.

2. The game against SMFC - we played Multi Registered players. Not borrowed players. I will happily provide a photo of the teamsheet with the players names and their Multi Rego invoice as evidence if you would like? Given SMFC clearly made it known to the association do you not think this would have already been dealt with had we been in the wrong?? We also got a heads up from the association about our lack of numbers on the teamsheet that day. Had it been an official ref I am sure it would not have got to the kick off without the numbers. But it was a club ref.

So for anyone who wants to jump on the bandwagon please ensure you have facts before making baseless accusations.



On a side note, does anyone even agree with the rule an all age player cant play first grade??

Not sure why it is even a rule to be honest. Should be encouraged. Surely a first grade team with all age players is not gaining an unfair advantage by having them fill in?

If a player in all age is good enough to play first grade it can only help to get them involved and to make the jump from all age teams to the zone league competitions.

Sausage
03-08-2021, 04:50 PM
No problems with the rules. I don’t believe you should be able to start your usual players in reserve grade & use fresh all age players in first.
It’s there to make you suffer when you don’t have numbers.
Still can’t work out how the game was allowed to start with all age players on the sheet.

Charman
03-08-2021, 04:53 PM
On a side note, does anyone even agree with the rule an all age player cant play first grade??

Reserve grade are to be the incumbents to 1st grade. That's why the rule is there. Z.L is designed to be a squad of X players.
Any player coming in as borrowed is deemed a lower level. Borrow for reserve grade only. Right or wrong, it's how it is. Also max 3 borrowed in a game. Starting off bench unless it's a GK which needs approval first.

bombers_away
03-08-2021, 04:58 PM
On a side note, does anyone even agree with the rule an all age player cant play first grade??

Reserve grade are to be the incumbents to 1st grade. That's why the rule is there. Z.L is designed to be a squad of X players.
Any player coming in as borrowed is deemed a lower level. Borrow for reserve grade only. Right or wrong, it's how it is. Also max 3 borrowed in a game. Starting off bench unless it's a GK which needs approval first.

I certainly understand it is in the rules. Just not sure what the rule is aiming to achieve.

Eggs
03-08-2021, 05:25 PM
I certainly understand it is in the rules. Just not sure what the rule is aiming to achieve.

Think it's there to create as even a competition as possible. Club's like ours have plenty of all age teams to draw upon, whereas some clubs don't have any.

Sausage
03-08-2021, 09:02 PM
Need some popcorn everytime I come here.

riverboy
03-08-2021, 09:14 PM
Well everyone loves an opinion and you are entitled to yours - however wrong it may be.

But here are some facts (as an official of the club):
1. The game against Garden Suburbs - we ****ed up. Playing All Age C Grade players in a First Grade game is against the rules (even though they were off the bench). The coach has put his hand up and apologised to the blokes on the park and taken responsibility for it. We have lost the points and copped our punishment sweet.

I can categorically say that is the only time an all age player has played in First Grade as a Borrowed player. We have 7 Multi Registered players who do regularly play Zone League. Whether you believe me or not, that's up to you.

To say this mistake is 'cheating' is ridiculous. Not knowing the rules is not an excuse and I am not making one. But if we were cheating why would we have marked the wrong box? Why would we have admitted it to the Suburbs official on match day? There was no attempt to deceive. It was honestly a mistake which was owned up to on the day and the punishment delivered swiftly. End of story.

2. The game against SMFC - we played Multi Registered players. Not borrowed players. I will happily provide a photo of the teamsheet with the players names and their Multi Rego invoice as evidence if you would like? Given SMFC clearly made it known to the association do you not think this would have already been dealt with had we been in the wrong?? We also got a heads up from the association about our lack of numbers on the teamsheet that day. Had it been an official ref I am sure it would not have got to the kick off without the numbers. But it was a club ref.

So for anyone who wants to jump on the bandwagon please ensure you have facts before making baseless accusations.



On a side note, does anyone even agree with the rule an all age player cant play first grade??

Not sure why it is even a rule to be honest. Should be encouraged. Surely a first grade team with all age players is not gaining an unfair advantage by having them fill in?

If a player in all age is good enough to play first grade it can only help to get them involved and to make the jump from all age teams to the zone league competitions.

The funny thing is I don't really care. I've just been stirring you guys for days and you have taken the bait. Hook, line and sinker 🐟

namwob99
03-08-2021, 09:48 PM
The funny thing is I don't really care. I've just been stirring you guys for days and you have taken the bait. Hook, line and sinker 🐟

Lol and here we are losing sleep over what a nameless, faceless guy named named riverboy has been saying about us on an internet forum.
The joke really is on us.
Well played sir, well played.

Premy
03-08-2021, 10:08 PM
Garden Suburb vs South Maitland
2nd Grade: 3-2
1st Grade: 1-0

SMFC Phoenix
03-08-2021, 11:13 PM
Huge ups to Suburbs, they were superb tonight. We looked like a team slapped together before kick off and they played for each other. That's our finals series chances done with hardly any players available for while.

Premy
03-08-2021, 11:27 PM
On a side note, does anyone even agree with the rule an all age player cant play first grade??

Reserve grade are to be the incumbents to 1st grade. That's why the rule is there. Z.L is designed to be a squad of X players.
Any player coming in as borrowed is deemed a lower level. Borrow for reserve grade only. Right or wrong, it's how it is. Also max 3 borrowed in a game. Starting off bench unless it's a GK which needs approval first.
Actually:
-Max of 3 Multi Registered players in any grade and a Max of 4 Borrowed players in the lowest grade.
-Borrowed players can be in the starting 11 if there are no ZFL registered players on the bench.
-You are right regarding Borrowed players that are GK can start ahead of ZFL registered players.

Premy
03-08-2021, 11:35 PM
Huge ups to Suburbs, they were superb tonight. We looked like a team slapped together before kick off and they played for each other. That's our finals series chances done with hardly any players available for while.

Thanks mate, massive effort from our boys tonight with quite a few carrying injuries and then playing with 10 men for the best part of an hour.
All the best for the rest of the season, hope you guys can be competitive with everything going on. It can get tough so kudos for fighting on, couple of those U/16 look the part already so the future looks good.

Jardelsimage
04-08-2021, 05:53 AM
On a side note, does anyone even agree with the rule an all age player cant play first grade??

Reserve grade are to be the incumbents to 1st grade. That's why the rule is there. Z.L is designed to be a squad of X players.
Any player coming in as borrowed is deemed a lower level. Borrow for reserve grade only. Right or wrong, it's how it is. Also max 3 borrowed in a game. Starting off bench unless it's a GK which needs approval first.

Incorrect it is 4 x borrowed players in lowest grade, who must come on last technically and 3 x multi players who can start any grade anytime...so at anyone time you can actually have 7 x AA players on the field at one time in the lower grade only or 3 in the higher grade.

riverboy
04-08-2021, 07:34 AM
Lol and here we are losing sleep over what a nameless, faceless guy named named riverboy has been saying about us on an internet forum.
The joke really is on us.
Well played sir, well played.

It was just good to see how quickly I got a reaction.

riverboy
04-08-2021, 09:15 AM
A couple of negative things about the multi registered rule.
I'm pretty sure there is a fee to do it, might be $50. So it's a bit of a money making scam from association really. If it's not there to make money then the association should drop the fee and allow clubs a maximum of multiple registered players from all age. Say maybe 5-6 players.

Im also thinking there used to be a rule where they had to be used by there all age team when any clashes occur? Not very ideal if your multi registering Saturday all age playerd

Premy
04-08-2021, 12:40 PM
Any news on when the Kahibah vs Minmi game is to be played?

onlooker
04-08-2021, 01:51 PM
Any news on when the Kahibah vs Minmi game is to be played?

On game day app shows it’s being played on wed 11th

Wandering
04-08-2021, 02:19 PM
Yeah playing next Wednesday the 11th, kahiba had something like 15 catchup games to reschedule from their washed out weekend apparently.

Sausage
04-08-2021, 06:32 PM
Kahibah field is a dust bowl

Eggs
04-08-2021, 07:26 PM
Kahibah field is a dust bowl

As is Stevenson Park.

anfield
07-08-2021, 09:10 AM
A couple of negative things about the multi registered rule.
I'm pretty sure there is a fee to do it, might be $50. So it's a bit of a money making scam from association really. If it's not there to make money then the association should drop the fee and allow clubs a maximum of multiple registered players from all age. Say maybe 5-6 players.

Im also thinking there used to be a rule where they had to be used by there all age team when any clashes occur? Not very ideal if your multi registering Saturday all age playerd

Your correct there is a fee, it used to be $50. I'm not sure if it's still that but I'd say so?

The multi registered rule would work well with Friday night all age players, I don't really think the Saturday team players would be available too often to help.

With a few previous points raised, It looks like Minmi will finish first and gain promotion. But what should be noted is there is currently only 9 teams in zone league 1 as Maryland Fletcher pulled out late. There is a good chance the association would promote both Minmi and North's and relegate the team that finish last in Zone League 1. This may lead to 2 teams from zone league 3 pushing up to fill the gaps in zone league 2. Ideally another club would join zone league 3 to make 8 teams in that division, certainly clubs like Maitland Juniors, Maryland Fletcher, Raymond Terrace or Tenambit could come back?

I guess the big issue facing zone league 2 and 3 clubs is player availability. It appears many clubs have struggled to field 2 fresh teams consistently. I'm not sure how this can be solved, but obviously the more players stepping up full time from all age football could certainly help this. The goal would probably be having most clubs having 32 players on their books.

I guess the remainder of 2021 is still up in the air. Let's just hope the finals can be played, Big question mark over football being played before then especially considering cases have been in the region and the 14 day period people need to self isolate or can return a positive test. With that in mind, You wouldn't think next week will go ahead either.

Homer7654
07-08-2021, 12:05 PM
Your correct there is a fee, it used to be $50. I'm not sure if it's still that but I'd say so?

The multi registered rule would work well with Friday night all age players, I don't really think the Saturday team players would be available too often to help.

With a few previous points raised, It looks like Minmi will finish first and gain promotion. But what should be noted is there is currently only 9 teams in zone league 1 as Maryland Fletcher pulled out late. There is a good chance the association would promote both Minmi and North's and relegate the team that finish last in Zone League 1. This may lead to 2 teams from zone league 3 pushing up to fill the gaps in zone league 2. Ideally another club would join zone league 3 to make 8 teams in that division, certainly clubs like Maitland Juniors, Maryland Fletcher, Raymond Terrace or Tenambit could come back?

I guess the big issue facing zone league 2 and 3 clubs is player availability. It appears many clubs have struggled to field 2 fresh teams consistently. I'm not sure how this can be solved, but obviously the more players stepping up full time from all age football could certainly help this. The goal would probably be having most clubs having 32 players on their books.

I guess the remainder of 2021 is still up in the air. Let's just hope the finals can be played, Big question mark over football being played before then especially considering cases have been in the region and the 14 day period people need to self isolate or can return a positive test. With that in mind, You wouldn't think next week will go ahead either.

Singleton coming down from NewFM might push 2 ZPL teams down to ZL1. Thus making it two 10 team competitions and two 8 team competitions. I don't think second place getting promoted is acceptable.

The Hacker
07-08-2021, 12:19 PM
Singleton coming down from NewFM might push 2 ZPL teams down to ZL1. Thus making it two 10 team competitions and two 8 team competitions. I don't think second place getting promoted is acceptable.

I heard Singleton were being allowed to stay up

anfield
07-08-2021, 07:58 PM
Singleton coming down from NewFM might push 2 ZPL teams down to ZL1. Thus making it two 10 team competitions and two 8 team competitions. I don't think second place getting promoted is acceptable.

There's no way they could drop Singleton given they are running 4th plus are the defending champions. I'm hearing Toronto are much more likely?

Plus there has been alot of clubs that have been promoted in recent years that didn't finish first so they will do it again if required. How are they supposed to fill the gaps otherwise? Greta (2nd), New Lambton (3rd) Mayfield Juniors (3rd) and Kahibah (2nd) are all examples of teams promoted from zone league 3 into zl2 in the last 5-6 years.

Sausage
07-08-2021, 08:47 PM
Singo apparently dropping out of new fm & also one other team.
Question, can minmi or north’s field 3 sides in ZL1? You’d want to have around 40+ players on your books plus all age players to fill in

Jim
08-08-2021, 08:19 AM
Singo apparently dropping out of new fm & also one other team.
Question, can minmi or north’s field 3 sides in ZL1? You’d want to have around 40+ players on your books plus all age players to fill in

With so many ZL divisions it might be time to drop 3rds. The "heart n soul of the club can play AA fri night and still fill in on the field, drink and cook the bbq

The Hacker
08-08-2021, 10:07 AM
With so many ZL divisions it might be time to drop 3rds. The "heart n soul of the club can play AA fri night and still fill in on the field, drink and cook the bbq

If you drop 3rds they aren’t playing one night then coming back down the next. The reason it works is they are at the game already after playing and they feel part of the club. I think you would lose them on game days hard to tell the wife and kids your out friday all night then Sat or Sunday.

anfield
08-08-2021, 10:53 AM
If you drop 3rds they aren’t playing one night then coming back down the next. The reason it works is they are at the game already after playing and they feel part of the club. I think you would lose them on game days hard to tell the wife and kids your out friday all night then Sat or Sunday.

I agree, I think the point is that clubs want to grow their player pool. Also ZPL is 3 grades, I think the main point of having 3 grades in ZL1 is to prepare them for ZPL if they get promoted. I think all zone league clubs should be helping to grow the competition and encourage more players to move across from all age football.

All age is a decent competition, but every team really are just that an individual team that can come and go each year.

Premy
08-08-2021, 07:26 PM
This may be an unpopular opinion but I feel the joint Zone Committee should do away with Zone League B sides.
The likes of Wallsend, Cooks Hill, Newcastle Olympic, New Lambton ect should be dropped from the Zone Leagues, those clubs already have their grade sides. If those players from said clubs want to play Zone League they will have plenty of options with the numerous other Zone Leage Clubs. If those players from said clubs want to stay with their Clubs then they can field teams in All Age.

Just my opinion.

Swanky
08-08-2021, 08:04 PM
This may be an unpopular opinion but I feel the joint Zone Committee should do away with Zone League B sides.
The likes of Wallsend, Cooks Hill, Newcastle Olympic, New Lambton ect should be dropped from the Zone Leagues, those clubs already have their grade sides. If those players from said clubs want to play Zone League they will have plenty of options with the numerous other Zone Leage Clubs. If those players from said clubs want to stay with their Clubs then they can field teams in All Age.

Just my opinion.

Only way you can get Suburbs back up the leagues haha
Clubs that have great cultures attract players
Sounds like sour grapes to me

Premy
08-08-2021, 08:22 PM
Only way you can get Suburbs back up the leagues haha
Clubs that have great cultures attract players
Sounds like sour grapes to me

No sour grapes, just my opinion.

We got hit pretty hard by COVID and a large amount of our ageing squad moving onto All Age.
Many of the guys that moved onto All Age were approached by various Zone League Clubs, however they stayed with us. You would have to ask all of those guy's why they chose to stay with us but it might have something to do with "Great Culture".

We're doing alright and we have a long term plan in place to move our way back up the league's. Maybe you should worry more about cooking the BBQ for the NPL boy's at Darling St rather than what we're doing.

anfield
08-08-2021, 08:51 PM
No sour grapes, just my opinion.

We got hit pretty hard by COVID and a large amount of our ageing squad moving onto All Age.
Many of the guys that moved onto All Age were approached by various Zone League Clubs, however they stayed with us. You would have to ask all of those guy's why they chose to stay with us but it might have something to do with "Great Culture".

We're doing alright and we have a long term plan in place to move our way back up the league's. Maybe you should worry more about cooking the BBQ for the NPL boy's at Darling St rather than what we're doing.

Suburbs probably has a good culture, But remember all those clubs you listed started lower zone league squads from players already in there grade sides.
And the reason these players stayed with their club and dropped down was probably down to the culture of their club.

So in your theory a decent player from Wallsend or New Lambton Northern League one that is surplus to their squad would only have the option of all age if they want to stay with their club? That theory just penalises successful clubs.

Premy
08-08-2021, 09:03 PM
So in your theory a decent player from Wallsend or New Lambton Northern League one that is surplus to their squad would only have the option of all age if they want to stay with their club? That theory just penalises successful clubs.
Yes, pretty certain that's what I said.

A decent player that's surplus to Newcastle Jets doesn't go and play for Newcastle Jets B do they?
Again I know that my opinion will be unpopular to some, I just don't see the point in Club's having a B team.

anfield
08-08-2021, 09:39 PM
Yes, pretty certain that's what I said.

A decent player that's surplus to Newcastle Jets doesn't go and play for Newcastle Jets B do they?
Again I know that my opinion will be unpopular to some, I just don't see the point in Club's having a B team.

Barcelona B have recently been in the Spanish 2nd division.

I'm sure your opinion would be entirely different different if you were at one of those mentioned clubs?

Premy
08-08-2021, 09:54 PM
Barcelona B have recently been in the Spanish 2nd division.

I'm sure your opinion would be entirely different different if you were at one of those mentioned clubs?
Yeah and isn't it ridiculous that if Barcelona B won the Segunda División they are ineligible for promotion.

I can assure you that my opinion would stay the same, I would have no interest in playing for a Club's B side

onlooker
08-08-2021, 10:30 PM
I agree with you premy. All the talk in all the threads is about the natural relegation and promotion process. A yet we have so many teams in the set up that have a cap on where they can go. Some from what I understand can only go to ZL1 due to their A team being in northern league 1. It don’t help the system.

idontwannaplaywithhowey
09-08-2021, 08:39 AM
I agree with you premy. All the talk in all the threads is about the natural relegation and promotion process. A yet we have so many teams in the set up that have a cap on where they can go. Some from what I understand can only go to ZL1 due to their A team being in northern league 1. It don’t help the system.

That was always the weird 'rule' that wasn't really a rule. It was always said but I'm not sure it was ever really tested before. Cookers were promoted to ZPL and played in it whilst still in NL1 this year, so the precedent has probably been set that it can happen.

And personally I am of the view that if you club has the culture and numbers then having a 'B side' can help people stay within the club they love and at a level that they enjoy. AA isn't for everyone. In the case of New Lambton (where I play) we handed the reigns from ZPL to NL1 5 years ago and we dropped down to ZL2. We had a heap of players that dropped those 2 divisions with us, but definitely wouldn't have if we dropped to AA. Obviously mine is a biased opinion, but I reckon their was value in that occurring for the club, and for us as a group.

riverboy
09-08-2021, 12:07 PM
All age football is like City and Suburban cricket, It's pub football.

Good on the clubs with the vision of having a second squad. Garden Suburbs is at the lowest point for some time, no offence but that's the reality.

Maybe if they had the vision a couple of years ago they would still have a ZL1 team plus a ZL3 Squad now and be a progressive club instead of sulking on the forum.

Premy
09-08-2021, 12:41 PM
All age football is like City and Suburban cricket, It's pub football.

Good on the clubs with the vision of having a second squad. Garden Suburbs is at the lowest point for some time, no offence but that's the reality.

Maybe if they had the vision a couple of years ago they would still have a ZL1 team plus a ZL3 Squad now and be a progressive club instead of sulking on the forum.
Sulking??? Please elaborate as to how Garden Suburb are sulking?
I mearly stated my own personal opinion and people on here want to associate that with the club I'm involved with.

I must be forgiven for thinking a local football forum is a place where one would open a discussion about local football. Please forgive me and if you don't mind could you direct me to where one could discuss all things about the local football in the greater Newcastle region in a forum type platform.
Thanks in advance.

Sausage
09-08-2021, 01:33 PM
When don’t sookurbs sulk? You have the reputation of it too. Sookurb stackers ��

riverboy
09-08-2021, 03:17 PM
Sulking??? Please elaborate as to how Garden Suburb are sulking?
I mearly stated my own personal opinion and people on here want to associate that with the club I'm involved with.

I must be forgiven for thinking a local football forum is a place where one would open a discussion about local football. Please forgive me and if you don't mind could you direct me to where one could discuss all things about the local football in the greater Newcastle region in a forum type platform.
Thanks in advance.

Geez touchy, touchy. I'm not going to waste to much of my time on this. It's in and it's never going to change.

I guess you guys nearly fell over this year and your probably thinking if you had the players from some of the other clubs then you guys would be safe in ZL1. Your in a tough market around you there is Kotara South (ZPL) , Warner's Bay (ZPL), Kahibah (NL1 & ZL2) , Charlestown (Zl3), South Cardiff (NL1) and Cardiff (ZPL and I see they now have a ZL3) so I guess it's a tough market.

Premy
09-08-2021, 04:00 PM
Geez touchy, touchy. I'm not going to waste to much of my time on this. It's in and it's never going to change.
Of course you will get a reaction from me when you want to make a sweeping statement about Garden Suburb with no context. Please elaborate as to how Garden Suburb are sulking?


I guess you guys nearly fell over this year and your probably thinking if you had the players from some of the other clubs then you guys would be safe in ZL1. Your in a tough market around you there is Kotara South (ZPL) , Warner's Bay (ZPL), Kahibah (NL1 & ZL2) , Charlestown (Zl3), South Cardiff (NL1) and Cardiff (ZPL and I see they now have a ZL3) so I guess it's a tough market.
"I guess". There is your problem, you made an assumption. Your assumption is incorrect.
I don't see the value in B teams, PERSONALLY I think B teams are ridiculous. B teams can't compete in the Cup and they can only be promoted to a certain level. Also where do we stop? Someone mentioned that Barcelona have a B team, Barcelona also had a C team do we keep going?

I'll use Cooks Hill(this isn't a shot at Cooks Hill they are only operating within the rules they are allowed to, I'm mearly using Cooks Hill for an example)
Cooks Hill are going to be promoted to NPL next year, one can assume that some of their current squad are going to be surplus and they might move them into their ZPL team. Now they don't have any room in third grade for some of their current ZPL squad, do they make a ZL3 team next year for their players. Then Cooks Hill will have B and C teams in Zone League where do we stop? We could have a Zone division of teams all from the one Club

Sausage
09-08-2021, 04:04 PM
Suburbs out of their depth here, stick to something you’s do regularly… stacking

Premy
09-08-2021, 05:59 PM
Anyone know the story behind garden suburbs stacking ressies?
A certain ZL1 side seems to believe they are stacking.


Draw against bolwarra, win against minmi few weeks ago. I’d say suburb stackers are a very good chance of winning the ressies comp.


Suburb stacked in ZL1 back in 2019 & years prior to that.


The burbs zinger stackers are back in stock for ressies games I see


Poor burbs can’t handle a bit of banter.


When don’t sookurbs sulk? You have the reputation of it too. Sookurb stackers ��


Suburbs out of their depth here, stick to something you’s do regularly… stacking
...

idontwannaplaywithhowey
09-08-2021, 06:00 PM
Of course you will get a reaction from me when you want to make a sweeping statement about Garden Suburb with no context. Please elaborate as to how Garden Suburb are sulking?


"I guess". There is your problem, you made an assumption. Your assumption is incorrect.
I don't see the value in B teams, PERSONALLY I think B teams are ridiculous. B teams can't compete in the Cup and they can only be promoted to a certain level. Also where do we stop? Someone mentioned that Barcelona have a B team, Barcelona also had a C team do we keep going?

I'll use Cooks Hill(this isn't a shot at Cooks Hill they are only operating within the rules they are allowed to, I'm mearly using Cooks Hill for an example)
Cooks Hill are going to be promoted to NPL next year, one can assume that some of their current squad are going to be surplus and they might move them into their ZPL team. Now they don't have any room in third grade for some of their current ZPL squad, do they make a ZL3 team next year for their players. Then Cooks Hill will have B and C teams in Zone League where do we stop? We could have a Zone division of teams all from the one Club

Absolutely respect the personal perspective and you are of course, absolutely entitled to your opinion.
As I said previously I'm part of the 'B team' element of a club and I guess I see it a bit differently. We were the 'A' element for an incredibly long period of time, but the growth of our club was supported by a NL1 application. I guess we would have seen it as pretty rough if we went from being a ZPL side to not existing. A 2 division drop was harsh enough, but fair.
We would rather be a second rate side in our club than not see our club progress to NL1 as well.
The FFA Cup (or whatever its called now) would be cool to be involved in, but I personally would rather miss out on that than play AA all year.
And I guess 'only being promoted to a certain level' could be an issue, but for most not really. I don't know of that many ZPL clubs that want to progress beyond that anyway (the ones that have in the last 5 years have done so) and anyone who is 'B" side can get to ZPL, so no real drama.
And the Cookers example again probably depends on an individual perspective. Would it be better to have well run clubs in ZL3 and add teams into that division, or have less clubs and have byes/combined comps/less games.

Premy
09-08-2021, 06:06 PM
Absolutely respect the personal perspective and you are of course, absolutely entitled to your opinion.
As I said previously I'm part of the 'B team' element of a club and I guess I see it a bit differently. We were the 'A' element for an incredibly long period of time, but the growth of our club was supported by a NL1 application. I guess we would have seen it as pretty rough if we went from being a ZPL side to not existing. A 2 division drop was harsh enough, but fair.
We would rather be a second rate side in our club than not see our club progress to NL1 as well.
The FFA Cup (or whatever its called now) would be cool to be involved in, but I personally would rather miss out on that than play AA all year.
And I guess 'only being promoted to a certain level' could be an issue, but for most not really. I don't know of that many ZPL clubs that want to progress beyond that anyway (the ones that have in the last 5 years have done so) and anyone who is 'B" side can get to ZPL, so no real drama.
And the Cookers example again probably depends on an individual perspective. Would it be better to have well run clubs in ZL3 and add teams into that division, or have less clubs and have byes/combined comps/less games.

I can see the benefits of the B teams to the respective club's involved.

I can't see the benefits of the B teams to the respective competitions.

boz-monaut
09-08-2021, 07:44 PM
I can see the point Premy i trying to make and I agree that having two zone teams for a single club could be seen as detrimental to the competition

but the issue comes down to a few factors to me, someone with over 20 years of involvement as part of running a club from it's formation, up to it's entry into the highest competition we have in this state

there are many factors in a club's capacity to move up levels of seriousness in competitions - to me, the most important are (in no real order):
a) players, which relates to club culture
b) club administrators and team management
c) facilities and resources, including sponsorship

take away any of these three factors and you won't succeed a step up - to simply ship players around between clubs to suit competition standards completely ignores these first two factors, having the clubs to ship them to ignores that last one

players who feel part of a club, having played many years or some other bond, simply aren't going to and play at another club just because they think they're at ZL2 level. They'll either not play or they will stay with mates and look for other options. Dropping down grades to All Age may not feel appropriate so they may be lost to the game - people get different things out of playing, that's not just pub league, that's all levels of this amateur/pissweak money level

club admins and managers may also just not be keen on the additional crap that goes with zone competitions - some clubs are set up that way and some aren't, some have a culture of organisational nous and skill that can easily step up or add to existing competitions, some don't have anyone capable - some have ambition, some don't - my point is that there may just not be a managerial capacity to run a zone club

the facilities and resources issue speaks for itself - there are rules for being in zone competitions (for better or worse) and they are a limiting factor to the number of teams that can enter

but this is just my take on the issue, having gone through this as part of my club, and having mates involved in another club that has recently stepped up from AA to Zone - I'm sure other people's experience, as players, club members and observers may be different

anfield
09-08-2021, 10:53 PM
I'm at a club that I'm involved with the 'B team. I guess my take on it is simple.

At the start of the season we were with Dudley Juniors, we only had half a squad. To play zone league we had to look at other options.

Cardiff City FC came up, they took us on and together we built the numbers to field a zl3 squad. This only occurred around 5 weeks before the competition started.

For us it was a no-brainer, Cardiff City FC are an established and well run club and the move has been good. On field we have been extremely inconsistent with player numbers which has meant our results have been inconsistent. But first year in we have learned our lessons to build from next season.

So if Cardiff didn't take us on there was a good chance that we wouldn't have played zone league at all. This would have meant zl3 would have been an 7 team competition. Would that have been good for the competition?

Our squad short term goals are to be competitive in zl3.

Around 8 years ago, An all age team I was involved with before zone league was turned away from GS for no reason. Committee members come and go and I'm sure it's changed since then. But the point I'm making is that Big clubs like New Lambton and Cooks Hill probably haven't turned away too many teams and players in the last 10 years. Hence they have plenty of players, quality and multiple graded teams.

boz-monaut
10-08-2021, 08:05 AM
But the point I'm making is that Big clubs like New Lambton and Cooks Hill probably haven't turned away too many teams and players in the last 10 years. Hence they have plenty of players, quality and multiple graded teams.

this couldn't be further from the truth - our junior teams are full in January, our All Age teams are generally stable each year with one or two gaps filled by guys who turn up to training over summer - usually full early February at the latest - National Park is already a dust bowl and we simply don't have the space for training and games, not to mention the extra work involved in having more teams

as far as men's AA and 35 - we haven't added a new team from outside the club in 5 or 6 years and that was an extraordinary situation involving friends of club members, before that it would have been another four years, also involving friends of members - in fact this season we had to turn away a lot of guys from last season with the destruction/total rebuild of a Friday team, that really hurt to tell blokes who've been with the club years that we didn't have space

I'd say we turn away on average 1-2 full teams per year asking to join, along with probably about 20 individual blokes

The zone guys are pretty much the same, stable bunch of blokes every year - a few drop offs and additions each season - very few go to other clubs, and often that occurs because people move away, rather than anything to do with Cooks Hill

often as guys get older and slower they move down a grade or two, or All Age teams want to take it a bit more serious (and use the good field) - which is why we originally formed the ZL3, even though we still had the ZPL team, which neatly brings the conversation back to the whole point Premy wanted to discuss in the first place

anfield
10-08-2021, 09:46 AM
this couldn't be further from the truth - our junior teams are full in January, our All Age teams are generally stable each year with one or two gaps filled by guys who turn up to training over summer - usually full early February at the latest - National Park is already a dust bowl and we simply don't have the space for training and games, not to mention the extra work involved in having more teams

as far as men's AA and 35 - we haven't added a new team from outside the club in 5 or 6 years and that was an extraordinary situation involving friends of club members, before that it would have been another four years, also involving friends of members - in fact this season we had to turn away a lot of guys from last season with the destruction/total rebuild of a Friday team, that really hurt to tell blokes who've been with the club years that we didn't have space

I'd say we turn away on average 1-2 full teams per year asking to join, along with probably about 20 individual blokes

The zone guys are pretty much the same, stable bunch of blokes every year - a few drop offs and additions each season - very few go to other clubs, and often that occurs because people move away, rather than anything to do with Cooks Hill

often as guys get older and slower they move down a grade or two, or All Age teams want to take it a bit more serious (and use the good field) - which is why we originally formed the ZL3, even though we still had the ZPL team, which neatly brings the conversation back to the whole point Premy wanted to discuss in the first place

Ok happy to be corrected on that one, cooks Hill wasn't the best example to use. But it happens elsewhere, obviously Cardiff City is one.

MonkeyKplunk
10-08-2021, 08:12 PM
Originally the use and approval of B teams was to help prop up numbers when a lot of clubs pulled out of ZL comps within 2-3 years.
I think Premy is right though, have we gotten to a point now where B teams at clubs are now effecting numbers of clubs that COULD be in ZL?

I've always firmly believed ZL should be used as a proper pathway from Juniors towards NL1 and NPL.
The associations should be encouraging, promoting and even helping smaller clubs get there structures right to enable them to enter ZL competitions, and then be guiding all clubs through ZL2 and 3 to help them grow and retain player numbers.

The idea behind extra divisions in ZL1 & ZPL was that clubs were bigger, had their sh*t together and had better organised coaching through to their junior ranks so they should be able to sustain a bigger squad.

The strength of Friday and Saturday All Age A and B divisions show that there are a lot of clubs who could easily compete in ZL if they had the structure and it meant something.

MonkeyKplunk
10-08-2021, 08:14 PM
Singleton coming down from NewFM might push 2 ZPL teams down to ZL1. Thus making it two 10 team competitions and two 8 team competitions. I don't think second place getting promoted is acceptable.

Singleton are actively advertising for coaching staff for all their NL1 age groups.
Pretty obvious they have intentions to stay up or they wouldn't be bothering at all.

Lofty
10-08-2021, 08:55 PM
Originally the use and approval of B teams was to help prop up numbers when a lot of clubs pulled out of ZL comps within 2-3 years.
I think Premy is right though, have we gotten to a point now where B teams at clubs are now effecting numbers of clubs that COULD be in ZL?

I've always firmly believed ZL should be used as a proper pathway from Juniors towards NL1 and NPL.
The associations should be encouraging, promoting and even helping smaller clubs get there structures right to enable them to enter ZL competitions, and then be guiding all clubs through ZL2 and 3 to help them grow and retain player numbers.

The idea behind extra divisions in ZL1 & ZPL was that clubs were bigger, had their sh*t together and had better organised coaching through to their junior ranks so they should be able to sustain a bigger squad.

The strength of Friday and Saturday All Age A and B divisions show that there are a lot of clubs who could easily compete in ZL if they had the structure and it meant something.

I can only speak on behalf of what it’s like in ZPL. The structure of most of these clubs are all without a junior base. It’s for guys that want to play in a club environment that’s still competitive and without the commitment and expectation of the top two divisions. We don’t want to have to deal with juniors.
If you are playing in ZPL, chances are that your shot at playing in NPL is already gone.

Sausage
10-08-2021, 11:07 PM
Why would a club having two zone league teams be a problem?
Having a ZPL side & a ZL2 or 3 side means you could put all your younger players coming through into ZL3 & bring them up into ZPL in a few years once developed. Or even chuck the older guys that are past their prime in the lower side..& also they can mentor the younger guys? Not every kid coming through is good enough for NPL.
you cut B teams & I’ll tell you now we will lose players to the game all together fast.

jessepinkman
11-08-2021, 06:46 PM
Seems like the only people with a problem with clubs having 2 senior setups are those whose clubs are having trouble attracting new players.

I fail to see how its an issue for anybody, it puts stable clubs in competitions that desperately need stability, and it gives players who aren't at NPL, NL1, or sometimes ZPL level/commitment a chance to represent their community or local club, or even play with friends.

Re g suburb, maybe more would want to come and join the zone league ranks if it wasn't a gigantic cry-fest every time you play them, puts people off

Premy
11-08-2021, 07:55 PM
Seems like the only people with a problem with clubs having 2 senior setups are those whose clubs are having trouble attracting new players.

I fail to see how its an issue for anybody, it puts stable clubs in competitions that desperately need stability, and it gives players who aren't at NPL, NL1, or sometimes ZPL level/commitment a chance to represent their community or local club, or even play with friends.

Re g suburb, maybe more would want to come and join the zone league ranks if it wasn't a gigantic cry-fest every time you play them, puts people off

Seems like some people can't differentiate a person's opinion and a club, also seems like some people can't read as we have already been over this.
Seems like some people have no problem making defamatory statements in anonymity. Next time you grace Lance Yorke Oval with your presence come introduce yourself and I'll be happy to shout you a drink and listen to your thoughts on this so called cry-fest.
Cheers...

djjones
11-08-2021, 08:07 PM
Hilarious.

Chest beaters think that having 2 mediocre ZL teams is good. What a farce. 100 players and cant crack a half assed NL1.

You cut B teams then the blowins can go back to where shouldve been in the first place, their own suburb.

Then theres the thought that ZPL is too good for juniors. What an embarrassment for local football.

finzee
11-08-2021, 08:11 PM
Hilarious.

Chest beaters think that having 2 mediocre ZL teams is good. What a farce. 100 players and cant crack a half assed NL1.

You cut B teams then the blowins can go back to where shouldve been in the first place, their own suburb.

Then theres the thought that ZPL is too good for juniors. What an embarrassment for local football.

I can go better. I stay in AA cause im too good to care. rofl

finzee
11-08-2021, 08:14 PM
Seems like some people can't differentiate a person's opinion and a club, also seems like some people can't read as we have already been over this.
Seems like some people have no problem making defamatory statements in anonymity. Next time you grace Lance Yorke Oval with your presence come introduce yourself and I'll be happy to shout you a drink and listen to your thoughts on this so called cry-fest.
Cheers...

Where do the Suburbs juniors go?

Id understand if it was top 2 tiers but they shouldnt be going to other Z teams unless they move

Premy
11-08-2021, 08:27 PM
Where do the Suburbs juniors go?

Id understand if it was top 2 tiers but they shouldnt be going to other Z teams unless they move

Some have come into our Zone League
Some have come into our All Age teams
Some have gone to SAP/NPL/NL1
Some have gone to play with mates at other clubs
Some leave football

jessepinkman
11-08-2021, 09:18 PM
Seems like some people can't differentiate a person's opinion and a club, also seems like some people can't read as we have already been over this.
Seems like some people have no problem making defamatory statements in anonymity. Next time you grace Lance Yorke Oval with your presence come introduce yourself and I'll be happy to shout you a drink and listen to your thoughts on this so called cry-fest.
Cheers...

There’s not much to discuss. I just feel like - in my experience with your club - there’s a culture of consistent whinging to opposition and refs.

Not somewhere I’d like to play.

Premy
11-08-2021, 09:34 PM
Not somewhere I’d like to play.

And where is it that you play?

Sausage
11-08-2021, 10:51 PM
Seems like a lot of teams are in the same opinion of suburbs. The reputation of them sookkng isn’t getting forgotten about anytime soon. All you hear from their crowd, coaches & players is whinge whinge whinge to the ref all day.

Premy
11-08-2021, 11:01 PM
Anyone know the story behind garden suburbs stacking ressies?
A certain ZL1 side seems to believe they are stacking.


Draw against bolwarra, win against minmi few weeks ago. I’d say suburb stackers are a very good chance of winning the ressies comp.


Suburb stacked in ZL1 back in 2019 & years prior to that.


The burbs zinger stackers are back in stock for ressies games I see


Poor burbs can’t handle a bit of banter.


When don’t sookurbs sulk? You have the reputation of it too. Sookurb stackers ��


Suburbs out of their depth here, stick to something you’s do regularly… stacking

Seems like a lot of teams are in the same opinion of suburbs. The reputation of them sookkng isn’t getting forgotten about anytime soon. All you hear from their crowd, coaches & players is whinge whinge whinge to the ref all day....

Sausage
12-08-2021, 12:10 AM
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Yep! Your reputation is stacking & sooking. Has been for a while now. I’ll add in the continuous excessive swearing on field by your players every week as well. What a poor culture you have at the club.

jessepinkman
12-08-2021, 01:58 AM
And where is it that you play?

I don’t play any more. I’m too old and fat.

It’s just an observation. It doesn’t seem like a group id enjoy being part of, personally.

Premy
12-08-2021, 06:28 AM
Anyone know the story behind garden suburbs stacking ressies?
A certain ZL1 side seems to believe they are stacking.


Draw against bolwarra, win against minmi few weeks ago. I’d say suburb stackers are a very good chance of winning the ressies comp.


Suburb stacked in ZL1 back in 2019 & years prior to that.


The burbs zinger stackers are back in stock for ressies games I see


Poor burbs can’t handle a bit of banter.


When don’t sookurbs sulk? You have the reputation of it too. Sookurb stackers ��


Suburbs out of their depth here, stick to something you’s do regularly… stacking

Seems like a lot of teams are in the same opinion of suburbs. The reputation of them sookkng isn’t getting forgotten about anytime soon. All you hear from their crowd, coaches & players is whinge whinge whinge to the ref all day.
Yep! Your reputation is stacking & sooking. Has been for a while now. I’ll add in the continuous excessive swearing on field by your players every week as well. What a poor culture you have at the club.
Every week.
I knew you were our biggest fan. You don't miss any games, thanks for the commitment I'm sure our boys really appreciate it.