2021 NPL Youth Thread

[Take it easy]

It’s been done in Spain for years. It’s called the LaLiga promises tournament and it’s a massive thing. Look it up.
Edit: it’s played 7v7

7v7 is ideal on the smaller pitches 9v9 is ridiculous these kids will be so cramped on the small pitches

[Goatscheese]

Nationals squad sent out to players today

[KITZ]

Nationals squad sent out to players today

beginning to think there's very little point to being selected in these squads. The more research I do the more that I've seen that the successful players (one example mat Ryan - but there's plenty around in the NPL - especially if you look at senior NPL football in Sydney) had very little to do with either A-League academies or selections for teams like this, there's quite a few players that are picked up when they are playing senior football at 17/18 and have had nothing to do with with "rep" football like TSP etc coming through.

Makes me wonder if players give up too early because of missing out on things like this at 14 or 15 and if the focus on how footballers are developed is flawed somewhere. I did hear of players actually turning down selection to attend camps especially in the 15s this year.

[BS detecor]

beginning to think there's very little point to being selected in these squads. The more research I do the more that I've seen that the successful players (one example mat Ryan - but there's plenty around in the NPL - especially if you look at senior NPL football in Sydney) had very little to do with either A-League academies or selections for teams like this, there's quite a few players that are picked up when they are playing senior football at 17/18 and have had nothing to do with with "rep" football like TSP etc coming through.

Makes me wonder if players give up too early because of missing out on things like this at 14 or 15 and if the focus on how footballers are developed is flawed somewhere. I did hear of players actually turning down selection to attend camps especially in the 15s this year.

Definitely not the be all and end all of a footballers life but it never hurts to play in front of national coaches and A league TD’s plus it’s a fun week of football against other elite kids from all over the country.
There will always be players who turn down these opportunities for one reason or another but not everyone has the same drive and ambition so it’s not a surprise.

[Goatscheese]

I did hear of players actually turning down selection to attend camps especially in the 15s this year.

They turned down wanting to attend the selection camps? Could be a number of reasons for that including cost, lack of interest, on holiday during the first one etc.

But it seems being at those camps does nothing to increase your chances of being selected as there are a number of players that were never invited to either the 1st or 2nd camp and still got selected

[KITZ]

They turned down wanting to attend the selection camps? Could be a number of reasons for that including cost, lack of interest, on holiday during the first one etc.

But it seems being at those camps does nothing to increase your chances of being selected as there are a number of players that were never invited to either the 1st or 2nd camp and still got selected

Yep - good way to make some more money though. And the number of kids being selected in this team and TSP in general from outside northern nsw (ie influx of kids from the central coast) is pushing local kids out - that's without getting started on what happens with the far north coast.

Also, CB washed out today?? was there a lot of rain on the east side of the lake this week that didn't happen anywhere else?

[BS detecor]

Also, CB washed out today?? was there a lot of rain on the east side of the lake this week that didn't happen anywhere else?

Only takes a heavy dew to put that ground in doubt

[Aegon]

Yep - good way to make some more money though. And the number of kids being selected in this team and TSP in general from outside northern nsw (ie influx of kids from the central coast) is pushing local kids out - that's without getting started on what happens with the far north coast.

Also, CB washed out today?? was there a lot of rain on the east side of the lake this week that didn't happen anywhere else?

CB’s drainage is appalling.

[Take it easy]

Anyone know how the Magic 13s went today ?

[Reds Forever]

Anyone know how the Magic 13s went today ?

6-1 win.

[Take it easy]

6-1 win.

Will go through undefeated now after their lucky escape last week, Edgy were the only other possible to beat them.

[YewYew]

Will go through undefeated now after their lucky escape last week, Edgy were the only other possible to beat them.

Top top coach. Kids r great dont get me wrong but coach real good player in the day, man & coach

[Captain_Carl]

Top top coach. Kids r great dont get me wrong but coach real good player in the day, man & coach

He is a wonderful man with a wonderful beard and loves a kebapi roll and a good chicken schnitzel burger.

[traffic light]

Edgy won 14s 15s 16s. Good day for them and are a real force in youth grades.

Adamstown Lake Mac & Weston on the other hand are terrible and how do they improve their position?

[Take it easy]

Edgy won 14s 15s 16s. Good day for them and are a real force in youth grades.

Adamstown Lake Mac & Weston on the other hand are terrible and how do they improve their position?

They need to be proactive and go after local talent at other clubs. Sad part is there is no desire for local kid’s wanting to stay loyal.

Adamstown is competing with Jaffas, Magic and Olympic in their back yard, I know where I’d rather be

[Eastwest]

They need to be proactive and go after local talent at other clubs. Sad part is there is no desire for local kid’s wanting to stay loyal.

Adamstown is competing with Jaffas, Magic and Olympic in their back yard, I know where I’d rather be

That is a major problem.

Plus the image of a not being a "successful" youth club hurts as well. Shows that history doesnt mean much now.

The "biggest" youth clubs now are those that grew out of late 80s or 90s bar Edgie.

u13s Adamstown Rosebud FC 13 0 0 13 4 99 -95. checkout goal difference. geez

[KITZ]

Edgy won 14s 15s 16s. Good day for them and are a real force in youth grades.

Adamstown Lake Mac & Weston on the other hand are terrible and how do they improve their position?

Worry less about the position and more about the football being played.

Watched the top of the table teams yesterday play in one of those age groups and in all honesty the football being played up the top wasn't much different than the football being played down the bottom, its not any faster, maybe the only difference is having a number of players sitting on the bench that can replace any injured/subbed on the field in a specific position, down the bottom injuries become more of an issue and mindset which is pushed by mainly adults onto kids by people who tell them they aren't any good because of where they play football. also both Weston / lakes have had players selected for nationals - if players stopped congregating in those teams at the top we'd probably have a more even competition and more players coming through into senior football.

Have you asked about where any of the Edgeworth 16's are now after winning 3 youth grand finals as they came through? I've heard not many if any of them are still at Edgeworth playing senior football.

[YewYew]

Worry less about the position and more about the football being played.

Watched the top of the table teams yesterday play in one of those age groups and in all honesty the football being played up the top wasn't much different than the football being played down the bottom, its not any faster, maybe the only difference is having a number of players sitting on the bench that can replace any injured/subbed on the field in a specific position, down the bottom injuries become more of an issue and mindset which is pushed by mainly adults onto kids by people who tell them they aren't any good because of where they play football. also both Weston / lakes have had players selected for nationals - if players stopped congregating in those teams at the top we'd probably have a more even competition and more players coming through into senior football.

Have you asked about where any of the Edgeworth 16's are now after winning 3 youth grand finals as they came through? I've heard not many if any of them are still at Edgeworth playing senior football.

Yr just rambling. Play nice soccer & lose every week = lose all yr best kids.

What do you do to stop having all best kids at 3 clubs?

What are those clubs doing shit supposed to do to get better? Just askin cos no one got any ideas

[traffic light]

Worry less about the position and more about the football being played.

Watched the top of the table teams yesterday play in one of those age groups and in all honesty the football being played up the top wasn't much different than the football being played down the bottom, its not any faster, maybe the only difference is having a number of players sitting on the bench that can replace any injured/subbed on the field in a specific position, down the bottom injuries become more of an issue and mindset which is pushed by mainly adults onto kids by people who tell them they aren't any good because of where they play football. also both Weston / lakes have had players selected for nationals - if players stopped congregating in those teams at the top we'd probably have a more even competition and more players coming through into senior football.

Have you asked about where any of the Edgeworth 16's are now after winning 3 youth grand finals as they came through? I've heard not many if any of them are still at Edgeworth playing senior football.

Youre on the Snooze macquarie train iirc. Can tell you that many players are not up to standard. Forget trying to defend this. Although the top teams may also not go to much higher it makes those below look awful.

They do have a decent set of people trying to undo those very problems that ive already mentioned. So, what can hey do to really improve it?? real options not the cryfest thanks.

[Goatscheese]

Watched the top of the table teams yesterday play in one of those age groups and in all honesty the football being played up the top wasn't much different than the football being played down the bottom, its not any faster, maybe the only difference is having a number of players sitting on the bench that can replace any injured/subbed on the field in a specific position, down the bottom injuries become more of an issue and mindset which is pushed by mainly adults onto kids by people who tell them they aren't any good because of where they play football.

This has to be the 16s since that was the only top of the table clash between Magic and Edgy. And while I agree with you the standard that both those teams are capable of wasn't shown Saturday. Both teams were far from their best, not fair to base the quality off one game

[samcan]

Saw 13s Edgy Magic. Magic too good. Edgy had some good passages but didnt do enough yesterday.
Jaffas 13s tanked against Olympic. Decent game, Jaffas clocked off at some points and werent strong enough.

[Goatscheese]

Heard this 9v9 comp is starting soon anyone seen a finalised fixture list?

[Jim]

Watched the top of the table teams yesterday play in one of those age groups and in all honesty the football being played up the top wasn't much different than the football being played down the bottom, its not any faster, maybe the only difference is having a number of players sitting on the bench that can replace any injured/subbed on the field in a specific position, down the bottom injuries become more of an issue and mindset which is pushed by mainly adults onto kids by people who tell them they aren't any good because of where they play football. also both Weston / lakes have had players selected for nationals - if players stopped congregating in those teams at the top we'd probably have a more even competition and more players coming through into senior football.

Have you asked about where any of the Edgeworth 16's are now after winning 3 youth grand finals as they came through? I've heard not many if any of them are still at Edgeworth playing senior football.

Reference was made to Youth grade strength not what happens after or what football style played.

Theres a reason why some teams are 25pts adrift and its not style or injuries champ.

[Take it easy]

Reference was made to Youth grade strength not what happens after or what football style played.

Theres a reason why some teams are 25pts adrift and its not style or injuries champ.

Glad to see you’ve got your dickhead hat on Jim. You’re never to far away from a lame and uneducated comment

[French Frogs]

Heard this 9v9 comp is starting soon anyone seen a finalised fixture list?

What is this tournament you speak off ? What age group does this involve please ?

[Take it easy]

What is this tournament you speak off ? What age group does this involve please ?

14s & 15s NPL and NewFM

[Jim]

Glad to see you’ve got your dickhead hat on Jim. You’re never to far away from a lame and uneducated comment

So you wanna go the truth? Do you have to be an asshole dropped from a whore.

Dont start crap you cant handle retard. on ya bike. Knew more about this at 6 than you ever will.

[Take it easy]

So you wanna go the truth? Do you have to be an asshole dropped from a whore.

Dont start crap you cant handle retard. on ya bike. Knew more about this at 6 than you ever will.

Thanks Jim, once again proven my point. Enjoy the world you live in, the rest of us will get on with reality.

[Goatscheese]

What is this tournament you speak off ? What age group does this involve please ?

14s and 15s NL1 and NPL starts this Wednesday

Bit of a pisstake really 9v9 across half a field, no offside, 25 min halves, not sure what the point of it is except to say that it gives the top 4 NL1 teams an opportunity to have a kick against some NPL teams

[Captain_Carl]

14s and 15s NL1 and NPL starts this Wednesday

Bit of a pisstake really 9v9 across half a field, no offside, 25 min halves, not sure what the point of it is except to say that it gives the top 4 NL1 teams an opportunity to have a kick against some NPL teams

Do you know what thi$ i$ really about? It is NN$WF $cheming to make $ome more $$$

$300 entry cost per team. 10 teams in NPL (Mid Coast and North Coast excluded) + 12 teams in NL1 x 2 age groups (14s and 15s) = $13,200

[KITZ]

Glad to see you’ve got your dickhead hat on Jim. You’re never to far away from a lame and uneducated comment

thankful someone else saw it. I don't know any kid that wants to have their footballing career end at 16. I mean we are all here to see them succeed right? What I'm trying to say is that its not always roses at the top - I'd still like to see technically better football - not rugby tackling and some of the other carry on that happens up here, and frankly Northern NSW is still way behind while people are b***tching about how good they think their club is just because they win premerships at youth. I might agree if we were pumping out top footballers. but we aren't, and that's disappointing for all the kids that play right - no matter what club they are at - because I care more about what my kid and others can achieve out of their football - and weekend football in the NPL is just one part of that.

Surely that's something we can all agree on?


Also - 9v9 - 830pm starts during school term for 13/14 year olds. its the most stupid thing I've seen. Northern do not care that kids don't live 5 minutes from the facility. some parents drive an hour just to get down there and then another hour home - kids that age can be dropped at the facility for the day and could be run as a school holiday / pre-season competition - anything that means me not getting home at 10pm at night and turning around to put my kid on a bus at 730am the next day for school - because some schools actually have attendance requirements. I bet not every club is getting the fun of kicking off at 830pm in the middle of winter on a school night.

[BS detecor]

thankful someone else saw it. I don't know any kid that wants to have their footballing career end at 16. I mean we are all here to see them succeed right? What I'm trying to say is that its not always roses at the top - I'd still like to see technically better football - not rugby tackling and some of the other carry on that happens up here, and frankly Northern NSW is still way behind while people are b***tching about how good they think their club is just because they win premerships at youth. I might agree if we were pumping out top footballers. but we aren't, and that's disappointing for all the kids that play right - no matter what club they are at - because I care more about what my kid and others can achieve out of their football - and weekend football in the NPL is just one part of that.

Surely that's something we can all agree on?
.

If any kid is treating football as a career before 16 then they are in for a world of disappointment.
Rule 1. Love the game
Rule 2. First learn rule 1

Follow these rules and you can still be playing football at 50 despite never reaching your parents expectations

[Jim]

Thanks Jim, once again proven my point. Enjoy the world you live in, the rest of us will get on with reality.

Nah mate your the grub who starts this. Cant even hold a decent convo without having a go then when your told the truth you twaddle off like the coward you are. Give yourself a needle mate no one will miss ya.

[Jim]

If any kid is treating football as a career before 16 then they are in for a world of disappointment.
Rule 1. Love the game
Rule 2. First learn rule 1

Follow these rules and you can still be playing football at 50 despite never reaching your parents expectations

So kids cant aspire?

[Jim]

thankful someone else saw it. I don't know any kid that wants to have their footballing career end at 16. I mean we are all here to see them succeed right? What I'm trying to say is that its not always roses at the top - I'd still like to see technically better football - not rugby tackling and some of the other carry on that happens up here, and frankly Northern NSW is still way behind while people are b***tching about how good they think their club is just because they win premerships at youth. I might agree if we were pumping out top footballers. but we aren't, and that's disappointing for all the kids that play right - no matter what club they are at - because I care more about what my kid and others can achieve out of their football - and weekend football in the NPL is just one part of that.

Surely that's something we can all agree on?.

Actually I agree with a lot of this.

[Jim]

14s and 15s NL1 and NPL starts this Wednesday

Bit of a pisstake really 9v9 across half a field, no offside, 25 min halves, not sure what the point of it is except to say that it gives the top 4 NL1 teams an opportunity to have a kick against some NPL teams

14s
https://websites.sportstg.com/comp_info.cgi?client=0-8304-0-591654-0&pool=-1&action=FIXTURE&round=0

15s
https://websites.sportstg.com/comp_info.cgi?client=0-8304-0-591655-0&pool=-1&action=ROUND&round=-1

[Take it easy]

Nah mate your the grub who starts this. Cant even hold a decent convo without having a go then when your told the truth you twaddle off like the coward you are. Give yourself a needle mate no one will miss ya.

Once again showing the level you’re at, special special individual.

[Aegon]

14s
https://websites.sportstg.com/comp_info.cgi?client=0-8304-0-591654-0&pool=-1&action=FIXTURE&round=0

15s
https://websites.sportstg.com/comp_info.cgi?client=0-8304-0-591655-0&pool=-1&action=ROUND&round=-1

What happens after the 3 rounds are completed? Is there finals or best record wins?

[Retired01]

I am in support of the 9v9 games as a parent involved in the JDL there are alot of the 12,13 and 14 year old kids who dont have basic skills. first touch, dribbling in tight spaces. The full size fields are letting the boys have terrible touches to control and dribbling terribly because its hidden due to the open spaces. I go to my comment a few weeks ago when friends of mine told me about 2x 13yo in the 12s TSP as they dont have basic skills and yes they run fast and are dominant verbally or physically but their body positions and skills are behind the 12s.
No I didnt agree with the 5v5 as it was just too small and the walls also hid the technical failures of the players but now we all know and Im sure we wont see that again.

[Goatscheese]

I am in support of the 9v9 games as a parent involved in the JDL there are alot of the 12,13 and 14 year old kids who dont have basic skills. first touch, dribbling in tight spaces. The full size fields are letting the boys have terrible touches to control and dribbling terribly because its hidden due to the open spaces. I go to my comment a few weeks ago when friends of mine told me about 2x 13yo in the 12s TSP as they dont have basic skills and yes they run fast and are dominant verbally or physically but their body positions and skills are behind the 12s.
No I didnt agree with the 5v5 as it was just too small and the walls also hid the technical failures of the players but now we all know and Im sure we wont see that again.

2-3 games of 50 minutes isn't going to fix this

[Retired01]

2-3 games of 50 minutes isn't going to fix this

I completely agree but you are not going to schedule 10 weekends of it straight away are you?

[YewYew]

Any1 wanna help start up NewyFootball forum merch with me? I starting with “Jim’s dickhead hat”. $30 a cap!!!

MEGA LOL

[Goatscheese]

I completely agree but you are not going to schedule 10 weekends of it straight away are you?

Why not? After watching a few games tonight this should be every team's third training session of the week.

[Goatscheese]

A few upsets tonight, Cooks Hill and South Cardiff beat their NPL opponents. Adamstown had to go to penalties to win against their HitFM opponent.

[YewYew]

A few upsets tonight, Cooks Hill and South Cardiff beat their NPL opponents. Adamstown had to go to penalties to win against their HitFM opponent.

Wat was all those pens about? Run from the halfway line? Like indoor soccer from 1980

[Goatscheese]

Wat was all those pens about? Run from the halfway line? Like indoor soccer from 1980

Yeah very American, perhaps more likely to score than a normal penalty when the goal is only 5m wide

[Hunter403]

The new 9v9 shopping trip for NPL clubs, oops I mean 9v9 NPL/HitFM challenge.

Let's hope some good HitFM kids make their way to NPL.

[matmoncrieff]

Yeah very American, perhaps more likely to score than a normal penalty when the goal is only 5m wide

I was there last night very good concept and NNSW should be congratulated for trying something new and different that most only seen as a negative. What I seen is kids having fun and enjoying cup type competitive football mid season. For me it has nothing to with development or highlighting elite individuals it was very exciting and some of the reactions of the kids after their penalty shootout wins was a breathe of fresh air on what is normally a mundane time of the year in football. Results in this format can not be an overall determinate on the gap between NPL and NL1 but it will hopefully highlight the case for clubs youth teams to be detached from their senior ranks and be promoted and relegated on their own merits so the youth football across the board can become more competitive. Along the way rewarding clubs or individual teams within clubs that are working hard and developing. Which in turn will hopefully stop the poaching that some of the bigger clubs do and make them concentrate more on developing their own and hopefully bring a little more loyalty back into local football at least at youth level.

Just my thoughts, but its a great concept and if nothing else it creates more football which cant be a bad thing. Be great to hear from some of the naysayers that were at the ground last night to see if their opinions have change.

Also, it was very professionally run and the amount of NNSW personnel on hand to watch and help out must also be applauded.

[matmoncrieff]

Yeah very American, perhaps more likely to score than a normal penalty when the goal is only 5m wide

I was there last night very good concept and NNSW should be congratulated for trying something new and different that most only seen as a negative. What I seen is kids having fun and enjoying cup type competitive football mid season. For me it has nothing to with development or highlighting elite individuals it was very exciting and some of the reactions of the kids after their penalty shootout wins was a breathe of fresh air on what is normally a mundane time of the year in football. Results in this format can not be an overall determinate on the gap between NPL and NL1 but it will hopefully highlight the case for clubs youth teams to be detached from their senior ranks and be promoted and relegated on their own merits so the youth football across the board can become more competitive. Along the way rewarding clubs or individual teams within clubs that are working hard and developing. Which in turn will hopefully stop the poaching that some of the bigger clubs do and make them concentrate more on developing their own and hopefully bring a little more loyalty back into local football at least at youth level.

Just my thoughts, but its a great concept and if nothing else it creates more football which cant be a bad thing. Be great to hear from some of the naysayers that were at the ground last night to see if their opinions have change.

Also, it was very professionally run and the amount of NNSW personnel on hand to watch and help out must also be applauded.

[Goatscheese]

*nip*

Yes looked enjoyable and most players and parents seemed to enjoy the night. Apart from the penalty thing I did say earlier that this should be done all year as the club's third training session on top of their 2 club sessions. Perhaps mix both NL1 and NPL into two large groups picked at random (mix of NL1 and NPL in both) and play all year.


For me it has nothing to with development or highlighting elite individuals it was very exciting and some of the reactions of the kids after their penalty shootout wins was a breathe of fresh air on what is normally a mundane time of the year in football.

It seems like good development for the players, current format playing 2-6 games depending on what competition you are in and how you perform seems like good development to supplement their work with clubs and weekend games.


Results in this format can not be an overall determinate on the gap between NPL and NL1 but it will hopefully highlight the case for clubs youth teams to be detached from their senior ranks and be promoted and relegated on their own merits so the youth football across the board can become more competitive.

Considering we had 2 NL1 teams win and a third nearly win it certainly shows that there should be promotion/relegation amongst youth

[finzee]

Any1 wanna help start up NewyFootball forum merch with me? I starting with “Jim’s dickhead hat”. $30 a cap!!!

MEGA LOL

Tshirts - Yew growls his mum. gobs his dad on the back

rofl

[finzee]

Considering we had 2 NL1 teams win and a third nearly win it certainly shows that there should be promotion/relegation amongst youth

Would you promote all grades as a club say 13s to 16s all play in 1st or 2nd division? Or let each grade be promoted separately so some in 1st and some in 2nd?

Promotion isnt great when you have one or 2 teams near the top and others at the bottom

[BS detecor]

Would you promote all grades as a club say 13s to 16s all play in 1st or 2nd division? Or let each grade be promoted separately so some in 1st and some in 2nd?

Promotion isnt great when you have one or 2 teams near the top and others at the bottom

Promote on a club championship of 14s-16s. 13s don’t need to be put under pressure

[KITZ]

Considering we had 2 NL1 teams win and a third nearly win it certainly shows that there should be promotion/relegation amongst youth


I don’t think it’s a good template for selling promotion due to the format. It’s possible that some NPL teams didn’t take it seriously and lost because of it (I didn’t watch those matches as they were at the back). They are also not playing the top 6 teams either. So promotion doesn’t mean they’d be competing in the division. Just replacing what already exists. Which is more of the same. I did note a lot of complaining from the other team due to some of the physicality of the game - which it appears might not be something they are used to, and if they felt poorly treated playing city, they would get absolutely decimated playing an Olympic or edgeworth team for example as there’s more physical teams out in NPL land. Again only the game I saw.

It was fun to watch, but would make a great gala weekend or something similar to the women’s state in a smaller faster format. 7v7 for the older age groups might fit better on the field size though.

[Goatscheese]

I don’t think it’s a good template for selling promotion due to the format. It’s possible that some NPL teams didn’t take it seriously and lost because of it (I didn’t watch those matches as they were at the back). They are also not playing the top 6 teams either. So promotion doesn’t mean they’d be competing in the division. Just replacing what already exists. Which is more of the same. I did note a lot of complaining from the other team due to some of the physicality of the game - which it appears might not be something they are used to, and if they felt poorly treated playing city, they would get absolutely decimated playing an Olympic or edgeworth team for example as there’s more physical teams out in NPL land. Again only the game I saw.

It was fun to watch, but would make a great gala weekend or something similar to the women’s state in a smaller faster format. 7v7 for the older age groups might fit better on the field size though.

It would help to lift the standards if clubs knew their youth clubs would be going back or going up, which is only a good thing. The comments regarding City was the only NPL team to win in normal time against an NL1 team and they played Kahibah, who isn't a top 4 NL1 team and has been put into the group because two teams above them didn't enter, so unfair to compare a bottom half team against a bottom half team. But more games on tomorrow night will be interesting to see the results.

[Isthisforreal]

What’s people’s thoughts on clubs reaching out to players already this year for NPL 13s next year ?

Hearing Magic and Jaffas are both very active, as I’m sure others are.

These clubs already have 2 squads in their 12s, is this a sign their sap programs haven’t worked ?

[sapdad]

What’s people’s thoughts on clubs reaching out to players already this year for NPL 13s next year ?

Hearing Magic and Jaffas are both very active, as I’m sure others are.

These clubs already have 2 squads in their 12s, is this a sign their sap programs haven’t worked ?

Not a matter of SAP/JDL not working,but the top clubs will lose players to the Jets and Mariners.They want to replace them with the best players possible.JDL clubs with 2 squads have 4 strikers vying for 2 spots, 2 goalies fighting for 1 spot etc.Some may just leave if theres a better position available elsewhere.Also,ive heard theres a bit of coaching movement as well and players will naturally follow their favourite coach or just not like the new one taking over.Another of the bigger clubs have already been playing their better 12's kids in 13 NPL and have sent out expressions of interest in order to lock down their preferred kids and are banning them from trialing elsewhere.I dont have a problem with any of the activity going on.Kids want whats best for them,teams want whats best for them.if they can lock in those players now they should as it also gives security to the kids picked and leaves the kids not selected a chance to chase opportunities elsewhere.

[sapdad]

From what ive seen of NPL 13 and NL1 13 this year,the majority of kids in the JDL program are more than ready to play at that level.Maybe not in the team they want,but they are 13 year olds and at the end of next year the merry go round starts again.The kids need to find a good team,with a good coach to continue their development.IM hopeful that if they dont get into Magic/Olympic/Jaffas/Maitland etc they can go to the traditionally 'weaker' teams and raise the level there.I just hope the teams that struggle in NPL youth at the moment are just as active in trying to get the best kids available,being either the best kids in their own programs or approaching kids they think will want to join them.

[Jim]

I just hope the teams that struggle in NPL youth at the moment are just as active in trying to get the best kids available,being either the best kids in their own programs or approaching kids they think will want to join them.

This is the key.
Top clubs have always been well ahead on recruitment and that success has lead to the club becoming "the" destination. Remember no one has to go if approached, its a choice but the top clubs will get who they want first. I think Edgy, Jaffas have probably joined Olympic and Magic now. A couple of others not far behind

So who wants to play for Adamstown 14s next year?

[BS detecor]

What’s people’s thoughts on clubs reaching out to players already this year for NPL 13s next year ?

Hearing Magic and Jaffas are both very active, as I’m sure others are.

These clubs already have 2 squads in their 12s, is this a sign their sap programs haven’t worked ?

Has always happened. Early bird catches the worm

[Isthisforreal]

Has always happened. Early bird catches the worm

Of course it’s always happen, clubs haven’t had a program behind them from 9-12s before.

It’s pretty clear given the previous posts on this forum the Jaffas got their first year wrong and it’s followed through, will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

The planned changes for the NPL space next year I think will be the biggest winner for kids of the region that don’t make the top 4-5 teams. Will be a big change but a fantastic one I feel once they fine tune it.

[Isthisforreal]

From what ive seen of NPL 13 and NL1 13 this year,the majority of kids in the JDL program are more than ready to play at that level.Maybe not in the team they want,but they are 13 year olds and at the end of next year the merry go round starts again.The kids need to find a good team,with a good coach to continue their development.IM hopeful that if they dont get into Magic/Olympic/Jaffas/Maitland etc they can go to the traditionally 'weaker' teams and raise the level there.I just hope the teams that struggle in NPL youth at the moment are just as active in trying to get the best kids available,being either the best kids in their own programs or approaching kids they think will want to join them.

The proposed new model that was put to clubs will go along way to providing a better outcome for all clubs and will see a much more even competition for the lesser clubs to be competitive in. Will give more kids a sense of enjoyment from their football and hopefully longer term build better clubs

[Aegon]

The proposed new model that was put to clubs will go along way to providing a better outcome for all clubs and will see a much more even competition for the lesser clubs to be competitive in. Will give more kids a sense of enjoyment from their football and hopefully longer term build better clubs

New Youth model?

[Isthisforreal]

New Youth model?

Yes.

[Aegon]

Yes.

Thanks, I look forward to seeing it.

[sapdad]

The proposed new model that was put to clubs will go along way to providing a better outcome for all clubs and will see a much more even competition for the lesser clubs to be competitive in. Will give more kids a sense of enjoyment from their football and hopefully longer term build better clubs

Forgive me if this has already been discussed on the thread but what is this new Youth Model about?Do you have any specifics about how it will work?

[The Magician]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed on the thread but what is this new Youth Model about?Do you have any specifics about how it will work?

NPL Yth and NL1 Youth will be rearranged into 3 groups. De-coupled from Seniors to stop the impending cricket scores on the horizon with Cook's Hill joining NPL next season.

[Isthisforreal]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed on the thread but what is this new Youth Model about?Do you have any specifics about how it will work?

Decoupling from the senior NPL

Mixing the NPL and NL1 teams and forming a 3 tier competition with 8 teams in each tier with promotion and relegation based on club championship

[sapdad]

Decoupling from the senior NPL

Mixing the NPL and NL1 teams and forming a 3 tier competition with 8 teams in each tier with promotion and relegation based on club championship

Thanks to you both for the responses.I have a son going from JDL 12's into 13's next year and its a pretty confusing merry go round of opinions and advice on which way he should go.The general thought is that there are 6 consistently performing NPL youth clubs and the next step seems to be the top 3 clubs in NL1 before the 'bottom' NPL clubs.Obviously with the first crop of JDL kids coming into 13's it hopefully boosts the overall level across the board but the news of promotion/relegation should hopefully mean kids can just find the environment thats best for them but not be forever stuck at a particular level.It sounds like a pretty good idea so hopefully it gets a chance to play out and the kids get to grow at their own pace.

[Goatscheese]

Thanks to you both for the responses.I have a son going from JDL 12's into 13's next year and its a pretty confusing merry go round of opinions and advice on which way he should go.The general thought is that there are 6 consistently performing NPL youth clubs and the next step seems to be the top 3 clubs in NL1 before the 'bottom' NPL clubs.Obviously with the first crop of JDL kids coming into 13's it hopefully boosts the overall level across the board but the news of promotion/relegation should hopefully mean kids can just find the environment thats best for them but not be forever stuck at a particular level.It sounds like a pretty good idea so hopefully it gets a chance to play out and the kids get to grow at their own pace.

Be surprised if it happens next year, remember this is Northern will take them 2 years to organise.

[Jim]

Cook's Hill joining NPL next season.

in firsts?

[Goatscheese]

in firsts?

Across all grades, yes

[KITZ]

The proposed new model that was put to clubs will go along way to providing a better outcome for all clubs and will see a much more even competition for the lesser clubs to be competitive in. Will give more kids a sense of enjoyment from their football and hopefully longer term build better clubs

Isn't NPL about development though. It's about what the best DEVELOPMENT is for the kids, regardless of club. Even competition? Does that help their development or just the clubs and parents feel better about who's winning or losing? You can get enjoyment from kicking around in the back yard, not paying $1000 - $2k for a bit of fun.

At the end of the day I want them to sell how it helps player development not how it makes the ladder look "more even" or how it helps the clubs.

I can guarantee there will be players leave when cooks hill move and stop being at the top of the ladder - I could see the same happening with new Lambton. A lot of possibly decent kids are in that competition because they want to win all the time and not necessarily work hard against tougher competition - otherwise I don't know why you'd be there instead of playing NPL to begin with.

[KITZ]

Thanks to you both for the responses.I have a son going from JDL 12's into 13's next year and its a pretty confusing merry go round of opinions and advice on which way he should go.The general thought is that there are 6 consistently performing NPL youth clubs and the next step seems to be the top 3 clubs in NL1 before the 'bottom' NPL clubs.Obviously with the first crop of JDL kids coming into 13's it hopefully boosts the overall level across the board but the news of promotion/relegation should hopefully mean kids can just find the environment thats best for them but not be forever stuck at a particular level.It sounds like a pretty good idea so hopefully it gets a chance to play out and the kids get to grow at their own pace.

I don't know why you'd go to newfm if a NPL club is an option. The ladder isn't as important as people would have you think. Its no different to SAP, if you want to develop the best player, you go and find the best players to play against - if you aren't playing against the best week in and week out, what is the standard you are going to develop to? Also a lot of clubs have different policies on bringing their youth through and playing up. Might not be as big a consideration at 13, but by the time you hit 15/16 you are thinking about senior football and want to be somewhere thats keen to back your player if thats what they want from their football. If your player has the right mindset they can be successful at any of the NPL clubs and play senior football - they don't have to win a youth grand final to do that. Im not even sure if that increases your chances of playing senior football or not, but I guess some only feel successful if they win consistently.

[sapdad]

I don't know why you'd go to newfm if a NPL club is an option. The ladder isn't as important as people would have you think. Its no different to SAP, if you want to develop the best player, you go and find the best players to play against - if you aren't playing against the best week in and week out, what is the standard you are going to develop to? Also a lot of clubs have different policies on bringing their youth through and playing up. Might not be as big a consideration at 13, but by the time you hit 15/16 you are thinking about senior football and want to be somewhere thats keen to back your player if thats what they want from their football. If your player has the right mindset they can be successful at any of the NPL clubs and play senior football - they don't have to win a youth grand final to do that. Im not even sure if that increases your chances of playing senior football or not, but I guess some only feel successful if they win consistently.

Firstly cheers for the response,and I cant disagree with anything you've said here.In a perfect world NPL should have the best players and best coaches.What im finding though is its not the case across the board.My main priority is to get my kid the best coaching and to play and train against the best kids possible but also to get him at a level where there is enough enjoyment in it for him to maintain his enthusiasm for the game.In the merry go round so far we've seen good coaches who have been in the JDL system moving to NL1 youth teams next year and wanting to take their players with them.If im being honest i think my kid is somewhere right in the middle of the talent pool for his age.He wants to trial at all the clubs he can get an invite to and if he makes any of them of course they will be the priority.He is happy to move with a coach that knows him to the NL1 if he doesnt get in but hes adamant he wants to use it as a springboard to get back into the NPL group.I just dont know how enjoyable it will be if hes in a team getting flogged every week if hes not learning.I agree its a delicate balance by thinking that winning at a lower level is the best way to get better.This year has been a great example of how i think the program should be,my son has won way less games than ever but hes improved out of sight because his coach has challenged him all the way.If he keeps up that pathway he'll get to where he deserves to be.

[Goatscheese]

Isn't NPL about development though. It's about what the best DEVELOPMENT is for the kids, regardless of club. Even competition? Does that help their development or just the clubs and parents feel better about who's winning or losing?

Yes it is about development, the top 5-6 clubs in NPL aren't being helped for their development when 12 of their 22 games are against easy opposition. The bottom 4 NPL teams aren't getting development if they get smashed every week, same with some of the top teams in NewFM.

[BS detecor]

Yes it is about development, the top 5-6 clubs in NPL aren't being helped for their development when 12 of their 22 games are against easy opposition. The bottom 4 NPL teams aren't getting development if they get smashed every week, same with some of the top teams in NewFM.

It’s the total opposite for goalkeepers though

[Goatscheese]

It’s the total opposite for goalkeepers though

Well yes keepers do learn a lot as they get peppered with shots for 80 mins.

[Captain_Carl]

Prediction Time

Firstly the minor premiers are all set in stone and will not alter from the following. You can take this to the bank:

U13s Magic, U14s Olympic, U15s Olympic, U16s Edgeworth

Club Champions will be Edgeworth

Now for the grand finals:
U13s Magic vs Jaffas with a Magic win
U14s Olympic vs Maitland with an Olympic win
U15s Olympic vs Edgeworth with an Olympic win
U16s Edgeworth vs Magic with an Edgeworth win

Thanks for coming ladies.

[Jim]

Prediction Time

Firstly the minor premiers are all set in stone and will not alter from the following. You can take this to the bank:

U13s Magic, U14s Olympic, U15s Olympic, U16s Edgeworth

Club Champions will be Edgeworth

Now for the grand finals:
U13s Magic vs Jaffas with a Magic win
U14s Olympic vs Maitland with an Olympic win
U15s Olympic vs Edgeworth with an Olympic win
U16s Edgeworth vs Magic with an Edgeworth win

Premiers yes. Magic are almost unbeatable in 13s but emotions do funny things under pressure. GF winners ill chose all opposites.

[Aegon]

Prediction Time

Firstly the minor premiers are all set in stone and will not alter from the following. You can take this to the bank:

U13s Magic, U14s Olympic, U15s Olympic, U16s Edgeworth

Club Champions will be Edgeworth

Now for the grand finals:
U13s Magic vs Jaffas with a Magic win
U14s Olympic vs Maitland with an Olympic win
U15s Olympic vs Edgeworth with an Olympic win
U16s Edgeworth vs Mag- ic with an Edgeworth win

Thanks for coming ladies.

Grand Final:
13's - Magic vs Jaffa's. Jaffa's victory.
14's - Olympic vs Edgeworth. Olympic victory
15's - Olympic vs Azzurri. Olympic victory.
16's - Magic vs Jaffa's. Magic victory.

[Goatscheese]

Interesting to look at the Premier Youth Trophy 2 NPL and 2 NL1 teams through to the finals. 1 NL1 team finished top of the group the other NL1 team finished second on goal difference. Cooks Hill not through

In the 15s more strength in the NPL teams but possible one NL1 team gets through. See if it is our new NPL club Cooks Hill

[KITZ]

Interesting to look at the Premier Youth Trophy 2 NPL and 2 NL1 teams through to the finals. 1 NL1 team finished top of the group the other NL1 team finished second on goal difference. Cooks Hill not through

In the 15s more strength in the NPL teams but possible one NL1 team gets through. See if it is our new NPL club Cooks Hill

I don't know NL drew with Adamstown and won 1-0 over city who beat Adamstown 2-0. If you are trying to indicate they are better I don't think it really says that. I think the discussion about replacing NPL clubs at the bottom with NL1 clubs wouldn't really change anything.

[Goatscheese]

I don't know NL drew with Adamstown and won 1-0 over city who beat Adamstown 2-0. If you are trying to indicate they are better I don't think it really says that. I think the discussion about replacing NPL clubs at the bottom with NL1 clubs wouldn't really change anything.

Clearly what I am saying is that the gap isn't there between the bottom of NPL and the top of NL1

[Zico]

Clearly what I am saying is that the gap isn't there between the bottom of NPL and the top of NL1

When the NPL are getting games of over 10 nil then I bet the top NL1 clubs would be better.

[sapdad]

Clearly what I am saying is that the gap isn't there between the bottom of NPL and the top of NL1

Agreed.It would be interesting to know how many of the kids in these dominant NL1 teams are offered spots/or trial for spots in NPL each year.Not sure who said it on here but it sounds like some are more than happy to stay in the lower tier and win comps than pit themselves against the top level of talent in their ages.Or is it that they arent being given the opportunities because they are playing in a supposedly lower level?

[Goatscheese]

Agreed.It would be interesting to know how many of the kids in these dominant NL1 teams are offered spots/or trial for spots in NPL each year.Not sure who said it on here but it sounds like some are more than happy to stay in the lower tier and win comps than pit themselves against the top level of talent in their ages.Or is it that they arent being given the opportunities because they are playing in a supposedly lower level?

Not sure if that is really the case as to why the top players don't want to go. Some don't go because they don't want the extra work, some don't go because they feel they will get better development at NL1 because of coaches, some don't get a look in at NPL clubs and some hear bad stuff about some NPL clubs and don't want to go to that. I heard one U13 coach tell a player not to go to one of the lower NPL clubs because that club is shit you won't learn anything and you will hate it, really that coach wanted to ensure he had a player that would be one of the best in the comp. That player did end up going to the NPL club in question and has now even spent some time playing U14 games.

[Eastwest]

"Better development" is the most over rated crap for mine around here. What are we developing? NPL or NL1 grade? These Kids are already there and playing this by 13s. What is really the point of hitting the supposed highs of NPL youth? Chest beating in NPL isnt really that much better in the long run than NL1.
Let's face it we as a football population in the Hunter play where we are comfortable, happy with coaches or god forbid our home club. No one going is going to earn much here.
I just dont see the point. Aleague contract? lol I dont blame the kids for pulling out by 16s to all age for a trophy as the chances of making it "professional" in Aus is nearly zilch.

[Jim]

Agreed.It would be interesting to know how many of the kids in these dominant NL1 teams are offered spots/or trial for spots in NPL each year.Not sure who said it on here but it sounds like some are more than happy to stay in the lower tier and win comps than pit themselves against the top level of talent in their ages.Or is it that they arent being given the opportunities because they are playing in a supposedly lower level?

Is there much difference in how everything works out by the end of U16s? Need to be hitting Sydney, Melb or OS by 16s if you are going to use all of the development.

Any talk of where semis being played?

[Alan]

Not sure if that is really the case as to why the top players don't want to go. Some don't go because they don't want the extra work, some don't go because they feel they will get better development at NL1 because of coaches, some don't get a look in at NPL clubs and some hear bad stuff about some NPL clubs and don't want to go to that. I heard one U13 coach tell a player not to go to one of the lower NPL clubs because that club is shit you won't learn anything and you will hate it, really that coach wanted to ensure he had a player that would be one of the best in the comp. That player did end up going to the NPL club in question and has now even spent some time playing U14 games.

Hi guys.

This is a fantastic discussion. Thanks for having it.

My son is headed to U13 next season and we are currently at this crossroads. He is a higher performing player in a NL1 U12 SAP team and he doesn’t want to leave his coach and team but wants to play NPL. If as is being said the youth league is decoupled and his club are included then I see no point him going anywhere because he’ll get the competition he craves.

BUT I just don’t know how much better the environment is at NPL clubs. We have been with our club since Noah’s ark.

I’m realistic enough to know he might not find a place in those top tier NPL clubs but believe him strong enough for many of the others. I assume the top tier U13 teams will mainly pick from their SAP squads, and rightly so.

A

[Goatscheese]

"Better development" is the most over rated crap for mine around here. What are we developing? NPL or NL1 grade?

A good coach in NL1 is going to be better for a young player than a shit coach at NPL. Not to mention potential opportunity to play up not just one grade but higher. Rather be a 15 or 16ypo playing 1st grade which will be better to then get into an NPL senior team than just playing my age group in NPL.

Not sure what you mean by 12 and 13yo already are ready for NPL 1st grade

[Goatscheese]

Hi guys.

This is a fantastic discussion. Thanks for having it.

My son is headed to U13 next season and we are currently at this crossroads. He is a higher performing player in a NL1 U12 SAP team and he doesn’t want to leave his coach and team but wants to play NPL. If as is being said the youth league is decoupled and his club are included then I see no point him going anywhere because he’ll get the competition he craves.

BUT I just don’t know how much better the environment is at NPL clubs. We have been with our club since Noah’s ark.

Depends on the clubs you are talking about. I also doubt Youth will be decoupled for next season, Northern aren't known for their organisational skills.


I’m realistic enough to know he might not find a place in those top tier NPL clubs but believe him strong enough for many of the others. I assume the top tier U13 teams will mainly pick from their SAP squads, and rightly so.

Don't assume anything most clubs will leave spots open for kids from elsewhere and the number will vary depending how good their players are

[Take it easy]

Don't assume anything most clubs will leave spots open for kids from elsewhere and the number will vary depending how good their players are[/QUOTE]

Kidding right? Clubs don’t leave spots open unless they don’t have kids good enough 🤦*♂️.

[Eastwest]

Not sure what you mean by 12 and 13yo already are ready for NPL 1st grade

My main point is that our youth are just about reaching the highest development possible at NPL youth and then most avenues are a shut shop unless some family mortgages their house to try for the next level. I find our system not good enough compared to the major cities and other countries.
Its Not the coaches or clubs fault. They are doing a pretty good job considering resources.
I'd like our development to be even more efficient, technical, stronger where we create higher player levels that constantly compete on a higher level then have more interaction with Aleague youth training systems.
I think Kew J is trying to do this with some of our NPL youth now. Have shadow jets youth players who may be ready to step up to have a real chance in the aleague or even a predetermined pathway to certain European leagues so it doesnt seem amazing but a formality. So develop for the top not just our NPL.

[jim wallis]

Not sure about individual clubs but Kew looks like he is employing better pathways so far.