2021 Premier Club SAP

[Aegon]

Either way if any of this is even remotely true its a problem.Not encouraging kids to go and improve their game is the most backwards shit Ive heard.If this is the attitude of some coaches/tds etc then they need to be removed from the sport because they arent acting in the best interests of the kids.

Not even remotely true.

Jaffas run extra optional training on Monday's on top of the existing team training sessions.

I cannot get my son to the Monday sessions this year and was asked why I couldn't get him there. I gave the reasons behind it and was open about Jr doing regular sessions outside of the club to subsidise his training and the club are happy where it stands.

My son is one of several in his age group that get training elsewhere. Although I can't speak for the rest of them, my son and I have had no negative feedback or encouragement to stop the external sessions.

[sapdad]

Not even remotely true.


Not even remotely true in your case.Sounds like it is very true in other cases.As I said,any coach or any TD at any club that pours this stuff on should be removed.Im glad your kid isnt subjected to it.

[Aegon]

Not even remotely true in your case.Sounds like it is very true in other cases.As I said,any coach or any TD at any club that pours this stuff on should be removed.Im glad your kid isnt subjected to it.

Not in my case.... or the other 2 kids in his age group that I know get training outside the club.

Until the earlier post I had never even heard a rumour of external training being discouraged.

[Goatscheese]

Not even remotely true.

Jaffas run extra optional training on Monday's on top of the existing team training sessions.

I cannot get my son to the Monday sessions this year and was asked why I couldn't get him there. I gave the reasons behind it and was open about Jr doing regular sessions outside of the club to subsidise his training and the club are happy where it stands.

My son is one of several in his age group that get training elsewhere. Although I can't speak for the rest of them, my son and I have had no negative feedback or encouragement to stop the external sessions.

As I said this isn't the belief of a number of players/parents, indeed, when "optional" training is on Monday then they shouldn't be going to JWF on Monday or indeed other days since the Monday session is there

[Aegon]

As I said this isn't the belief of a number of players/parents, indeed, when "optional" training is on Monday then they shouldn't be going to JWF on Monday or indeed other days since the Monday session is there

Is this a belief or something that has been communicated though? There's a huge difference.

As I said earlier I am only privy to information on the 3 kids I know of in the 11's that do external training. There may be more, I don't know for sure. None of the 3 have had any discouragement from coaches or anyone else from attending externally run sessions.

[Arsenal222]

Is this a belief or something that has been communicated though? There's a huge difference.

As I said earlier I am only privy to information on the 3 kids I know of in the 11's that do external training. There may be more, I don't know for sure. None of the 3 have had any discouragement from coaches or anyone else from attending externally run sessions.

It’s exactly as someone said further up if your one of his favourites you get what you want, if you’re not then you’re condemned. This isn’t a belief it’s first hand and factual.

[Aegon]

It’s exactly as someone said further up if your one of his favourites you get what you want, if you’re not then you’re condemned. This isn’t a belief it’s first hand and factual.

Read rule #5 of the forum posting rules.

I get you have issues with Jaffas and individuals at the club. But continually naming a person or people is an ongoing issue in this forum.

I hope your young lad is having a great experience at his new club and if so surely you can focus on what is going well for him now rather than continually bashing a club where it didn't work out for you both.

[sapdad]

Read rule #5 of the forum posting rules.

I get you have issues with Jaffas and individuals at the club. But continually naming a person or people is an ongoing issue in this forum.

I hope your young lad is having a great experience at his new club and if so surely you can focus on what is going well for him now rather than continually bashing a club where it didn't work out for you both.

Agreed.On another topic have you heard anything about these proposed gala days?Has your club committed to any particular date?

[Sheshootsshescores]

Aegon your loyalty to your club is to be commended,but as a mate said to me “there is two types of players at the Jaffa’s, one that has been shown the door and one that is waiting to be shown the door” I truely hope your youngster is the exception to this.

On the JWF issue it seems to me where there is smoke there is fire

[Aegon]

Agreed.On another topic have you heard anything about these proposed gala days?Has your club committed to any particular date?

Nothing at all apart from the NNSWF communication.

At the moment everyone is working off the assumption that clubs will be assigned their gala day when the draw is released on the 9th of June.

Not ideal if you get allocated Tamworth on the 27th of the same month.

[Arsenal222]

Read rule #5 of the forum posting rules.

I get you have issues with Jaffas and individuals at the club. But continually naming a person or people is an ongoing issue in this forum.

I hope your young lad is having a great experience at his new club and if so surely you can focus on what is going well for him now rather than continually bashing a club where it didn't work out for you both.

You’re making an assumption I have left the club ?

[Jim]

It’s exactly as someone said further up if your one of his favourites you get what you want, if you’re not then you’re condemned. This isn’t a belief it’s first hand and factual.

Of all the many good things that has or is happening at the club this small part is true sadly. There are a select few who get offered further development because of 1 likeable attribute. Hard work isnt one. In saying that the few trialists who have forced there way into teams have been far superior that those few that have been shown the door just as it happens every other club.

[YewYew]

Of all the many good things that has or is happening at the club this small part is true sadly. There are a select few who get offered further development because of 1 likeable attribute. Hard work isnt one. In saying that the few trialists who have forced there way into teams have been far superior that those few that have been shown the door just as it happens every other club.

What the likeable attribute??

[YewYew]

When we all finished punching on jaffas can some1 tell me what is up at Hamilton? Been told 10’s & 11’s parents reall pissed off atm.

[Aegon]

When we all finished punching on jaffas can some1 tell me what is up at Hamilton? Been told 10’s & 11’s parents reall pissed off atm.

I know one of the 11's squads is struggling a bit this season compared to past years, but one of my sons best mates is in the other squad and when I have spoken with his parents they haven't had a bad word to say.

[sapdad]

I know one of the 11's squads is struggling a bit this season compared to past years, but one of my sons best mates is in the other squad and when I have spoken with his parents they haven't had a bad word to say.

Was about to say the same thing.A friends son plays in the 11's and has nothing but good things to say about the team and the club.Just to add,my son has come all the way through playing against the 12's and they are not only a great squad but they are great kids and coaches and have always been a credit to the program.

[YewYew]

I know one of the 11's squads is struggling a bit this season compared to past years, but one of my sons best mates is in the other squad and when I have spoken with his parents they haven't had a bad word to say.

What I heard was one team in both 10's & 11's not happy this year. might not be your mates team but been told there been some blow ups over things this year from a few loud parents

[traffic light]

What I heard was one team in both 10's & 11's not happy this year. might not be your mates team but been told there been some blow ups over things this year from a few loud parents

Yes, heard some grumblings but that happens as some aspects arent going to plan. Often happens when results are down or after a big loss.

[cobra23]

Yes, heard some grumblings but that happens as some aspects arent going to plan. Often happens when results are down or after a big loss.

you tend to find that with every club who has two teams in each age group.
if one team is playing better or coaching differences there is always someone or parents unhappy from the other team

[Arsenal222]

What I heard was one team in both 10's & 11's not happy this year. might not be your mates team but been told there been some blow ups over things this year from a few loud parents

Like every club. Just hope they don’t cut down to one team to get rid of the trouble makers

[Goatscheese]

Like every club. Just hope they don’t cut down to one team to get rid of the trouble makers

Or they just get rid of the trouble makers and replace them. Doubt Olympic will be hard pressed to find players to replace them next year.

[Jim]

Or they just get rid of the trouble makers and replace them. Doubt Olympic will be hard pressed to find players to replace them next year.
RH will continue to help them out.

Olympic coach u11s gone.

[Goatscheese]

RH will continue to help them out.

Olympic coach u11s gone.

Why would he help out Olympic over Lambton?

[samcan]

Why would he help out Olympic over Lambton?

Ill guess. Habit.

Stage 3 draw out soon

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What do people know about the JDL Gala days? not heard much from my boys club

[sapdad]

What do people know about the JDL Gala days? not heard much from my boys club

Nothing from ours or a few different people I spoke to over the weekend.A few parents not impressed with the travel but I think it will be a good opportunity for the kids to get out into a different environment.

[Goatscheese]

Nothing from ours or a few different people I spoke to over the weekend.A few parents not impressed with the travel but I think it will be a good opportunity for the kids to get out into a different environment.

Well those parents will be in for a rude shock if their kid plays NPL.

Even ruder if by some miracle they make Jets

[Game_over]

Nothing from ours or a few different people I spoke to over the weekend.A few parents not impressed with the travel but I think it will be a good opportunity for the kids to get out into a different environment.

Agree, I think it will be a great opportunity for the kids and they will enjoy the experience.

Just wish Northern could be a little more organized so people can sort out work and other family commitment, but I think peace in the middle east is more likely. :tongue:

[Aegon]

What do people know about the JDL Gala days? not heard much from my boys club

I think the information passed on to the clubs was limited.
The communication didn't clarify whether the gala day allocations would be at a team or club level nor whether the allocations would occur at the same time as the phase 3 draw is released.

[Isthisforreal]

Hearing some kids are already being tapped on the shoulder for the Jets next year, has anyone else heard of any movement ?

[Jim]

Hearing some kids are already being tapped on the shoulder for the Jets next year, has anyone else heard of any movement ?

Doesnt surprise. And maybe shows that those who are looking for the best are on the ball doing their job. There should be a few which stand out above anyway.

The politics and reputation forming will be on in earnest soon enough.

[Goatscheese]

Hearing some kids are already being tapped on the shoulder for the Jets next year, has anyone else heard of any movement ?

The kids at the U12s TSP are the main players they are looking at.

[Isthisforreal]

The kids at the U12s TSP are the main players they are looking at.

What’s the quality like there?

[Goatscheese]

What’s the quality like there?

Quite good, some of them are playing U13s in NPL already and aren't being shown up as poor.

[sapdad]

Quite good, some of them are playing U13s in NPL already and aren't being shown up as poor.

Yes was going to say that i think around 50% of the TSP kids are already in 13's and not out of place.Plus some of the kids who didnt make the TSP in 12's was surprising so hopefully theres enough talent there to form a good team of 13's next year.

[Jim]

Quite good, some of them are playing U13s in NPL already and aren't being shown up as poor.

That can be problematic as well as some TDs dont like playing their kids up. While others are letting their U11s play 13s.

[KITZ]

That can be problematic as well as some TDs dont like playing their kids up. While others are letting their U11s play 13s.

Some TD's and clubs have zero interest in youth development. They do it because its licence requirement in order to hold a senior NPL licence.

[Aegon]

Some TD's and clubs have zero interest in youth development. They do it because its licence requirement in order to hold a senior NPL licence.

I couldn’t disagree more.

In 3 years of involvement I am yet to see anything that displays systematic disregard for the kids development.
I know parents at around 8 or so of the clubs and although there have been moments of discontent, on the whole the clubs have made changes where required for the better.

[Goatscheese]

That can be problematic as well as some TDs dont like playing their kids up. While others are letting their U11s play 13s.

Clubs that don't push capable players up are not clubs you want your kids at. If an U11 is good enough for U13 then he should be there. No point holding him back, challenge the players to make them better.

[Isthisforreal]

Quite good, some of them are playing U13s in NPL already and aren't being shown up as poor.

What are the sessions like? Skills and drills or game play ?

[Retired01]

What are the sessions like? Skills and drills or game play ?

Information second hand only from parents that have boys there and they said 1 or 2 of the 13s players are a bit behind the others. 1 significantly with bad close skills and kicks chases and blames others. I could name their club but im not cool with putting it here

[Jim]

Yes was going to say that i think around 50% of the TSP kids are already in 13's and not out of place.Plus some of the kids who didnt make the TSP in 12's was surprising so hopefully theres enough talent there to form a good team of 13's next year.

I know of an ex 15s tsp player that has no hope of even making the 18s squad next year. Might not be the only one but shows that development and opinions about who's the best can change a lot over time so keep on plugging away.

[BS detecor]

I know of an ex 15s tsp player that has no hope of even making the 18s squad next year. Might not be the only one but shows that development and opinions about who's the best can change a lot over time so keep on plugging away.

Hard work will always beat talent if talent doesn’t work hard

[Bremsstrahlung]

I know of an ex 15s tsp player that has no hope of even making the 18s squad next year. Might not be the only one but shows that development and opinions about who's the best can change a lot over time so keep on plugging away.

100%. There’s a lot to be said for work ethic and motivation as you progress. You can make up for lack of technical skills, with awareness, communication and working hard during a game.
Maybe not so important early on in SAP but into older NPL Youth and seniors, technical ability only counts for so much.

Works the other way too imo.
I entered State league/NPL from inter district comps at 15, and I hope kids from inter district competitions that maybe aren’t so familiar with the SAP and NPL youth set ups can find their way if they want to/are good enough.

Edit: sorry BS, I just realised I repeated what you said haha.

[Aegon]

100%. There’s a lot to be said for work ethic and motivation as you progress. You can make up for lack of technical skills, with awareness, communication and working hard during a game.
Maybe not so important early on in SAP but into older NPL Youth and seniors, technical ability only counts for so much.

Works the other way too imo.
I entered State league/NPL from inter district comps at 15, and I hope kids from inter district competitions that maybe aren’t so familiar with the SAP and NPL youth set ups can find their way if they want to/are good enough.

Edit: sorry BS, I just realised I repeated what you said haha.

Having watched some community games recently (including 12A's), I think one of the side effects of SAP is that community teams have been gutted of not just high performers but nearly all the half decent kids as well.
Taking the 12's for example:
300ish kids in SAP are in this age group now.
Community has 8 grades of 8 teams, so maybe 800+ kids?
So over 1 in every 4 boys are now playing SAP, receiving training 2-3 times per week from 8-9 years of age from in most cases a higher standard of coach with TD support.

There aren't as many motivated coaches that stick with community teams anymore nor kids that stand out from the rest.

I think the late bloomers are going to be much fewer and far between. More likely they'll be kids that have swapped from other sports and have stand out physical abilities.

[Game_over]

What are peoples thoughts on the phase 3 draw? many changes from Phase 2?

[Bremsstrahlung]

Having watched some community games recently (including 12A's), I think one of the side effects of SAP is that community teams have been gutted of not just high performers but nearly all the half decent kids as well.
Taking the 12's for example:
300ish kids in SAP are in this age group now.
Community has 8 grades of 8 teams, so maybe 800+ kids?
So over 1 in every 4 boys are now playing SAP, receiving training 2-3 times per week from 8-9 years of age from in most cases a higher standard of coach with TD support.

There aren't as many motivated coaches that stick with community teams anymore nor kids that stand out from the rest.

I think the late bloomers are going to be much fewer and far between. More likely they'll be kids that have swapped from other sports and have stand out physical abilities.

Good point! I guess I came through during a time where it was Macquarie, NPS or HV SYL so what 50-60players in “elite pathways” and no Newcastle United/Jets pathways. Only NSWIS.
So good point.

I’m curious how most parents find out about SAP and NPL Youth?
Word of mouth, coaches telling them, clubs notifying them, more so those that were not a part of a club providing the SAP experience. I imagine once you’re in SAP, talk soon turns to NPL.

[sapdad]

What are peoples thoughts on the phase 3 draw? many changes from Phase 2?

is the draw out?Where did you see it?

[Game_over]

I've seen the draw for my sons team only, our club has uploaded it onto our team app. He pretty much plays the same teams in phase 3 as he played in phase 2, with the exception of Cooks Hill who he didn't play in phase 2 so I'm guessing they have been playing some good football in phase 2.

[Aegon]

I’m curious how most parents find out about SAP and NPL Youth?
Word of mouth, coaches telling them, clubs notifying them, more so those that were not a part of a club providing the SAP experience.

I personally didn't have a Newcastle Football background & my son came from a community club with no ties to NPL or NL1.
The way I found out about SAP was through work colleagues who had their own kids in NPL youth. At that stage they were pointing me towards the Zone SAP system which didn't exist anymore.
Fortunately the Operations Manager at Hunter Valley Football was extremely helpful and passed on all the relevant information about premier club SAP.

Once I knew my son would have to join a premier club I sought the advice of my work colleagues again who said pick 3-4 clubs for him to try out for & said to aim for Olympic, Magic, Jaffas, Edgy, etc and if he wasn't good enough to get in to try out at others clubs.


I imagine once you’re in SAP, talk soon turns to NPL.

Even at the 11's this year talk already is about what will happen at the end of 12's in 2022, How many boys will end up going to the Jets, how many will stay at or leave the club, strength of other clubs, etc.

[YewYew]

Olympic coach u11s gone.

Told u that was coming. Noisy parents r undefeated

[Arsenal222]

Told u that was coming. Noisy parents r undefeated

I don’t think so, Ask RH he’s at least 10 and noisy parents are 0. Not on his watch

[KITZ]

I don’t think so, Ask RH he’s at least 10 and noisy parents are 0. Not on his watch

Jaffas don't even post on their socials about their youth and JDL.... Jaffas 0 every other club 10000.... It should tell you well enough when they can't be bothered to post about their juniors and youth, but will post about the holiday camp you can pay for.

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Jaffas don't even post on their socials about their youth and JDL.... Jaffas 0 every other club 10000.... It should tell you well enough when they can't be bothered to post about their juniors and youth, but will post about the holiday camp you can pay for.


We were talking about Olympic then you kick the Jaffas as usual. RH isnt an angel of course but Man you need to get a life and stop being a douche. Even better help lake Mac cause they arent what you think.

btw a td doesnt need to do shit on Socials. Thats for other committee members.

[Arsenal222]

Jaffas don't even post on their socials about their youth and JDL.... Jaffas 0 every other club 10000.... It should tell you well enough when they can't be bothered to post about their juniors and youth, but will post about the holiday camp you can pay for.

They’ll even tell you that they only run JDL because they have to, not because they want to. That’s how RH came into it with NF the jaffas didn’t want to run it so they outsourced it.

[Arsenal222]

We were talking about Olympic then you kick the Jaffas as usual. RH isnt an angel of course but Man you need to get a life and stop being a douche. Even better help lake Mac cause they arent what you think.

btw a td doesnt need to do shit on Socials. Thats for other committee members.

Take your own advice.

[sapdad]

They’ll even tell you that they only run JDL because they have to, not because they want to. That’s how RH came into it with NF the jaffas didn’t want to run it so they outsourced it.

This isnt even remotely true.Its pretty obvious where you got this idea from so please next time consider the source.Now can we move on from bashing clubs and td's.Thanks.

[cobra23]

Man I love this thread:popcorn:

[sapdad]

Man I love this thread:popcorn:

Its actually pretty informative when we are actually talking about the kids and the football.The other shit can piss off out of here as far as im concerned but people seem to have some decent grudges.Now, has anyone seen a draw?Our club has only the next game available and we've been given our gala day allocation too.My young fella is looking forward to the experience which is good.

[Aegon]

Its actually pretty informative when we are actually talking about the kids and the football.The other shit can piss off out of here as far as im concerned but people seem to have some decent grudges.Now, has anyone seen a draw?Our club has only the next game available and we've been given our gala day allocation too.My young fella is looking forward to the experience which is good.

PM me, I'll forward you a copy of the draw for the age group you need.

[samcan]

They’ll even tell you that they only run JDL because they have to, not because they want to. That’s how RH came into it with NF the jaffas didn’t want to run it so they outsourced it.

As sapdad suggested. No idea so Jog on muppet

[THEBIGCHEESE]

I have a simple football related question which I hope its allowed on this non football forum.

How do parents, coaches etc feel the transition from running 8 teams in the member zones Hunter Valley, Macquarie, EJ and Macquarie with the clubs underpinning this to the clubs running the whole SAP programme has gone?

I was sceptical and for me the jury is still out. I feel the clubs are still underprepared with standard of coaching, the size and work implementing the programme is far bigger than what they expected and Northern are a shambles with organising it which really doesn't help the clubs. I also think when clubs get quality coaches on board the players will migrate there creating their own member zones with the rest being cast aside.

Would parents be happier to go back to the old system or do they think in time this is the best way?

[Arsenal222]

As sapdad suggested. No idea so Jog on muppet

Unfortunately for the pair of muppets being yourself and sapdad, the no idea part sits firmly with you. Until RH became involved the Jaffas had very little interest in the SAP program.

[Aegon]

I have a simple football related question which I hope its allowed on this non football forum.

How do parents, coaches etc feel the transition from running 8 teams in the member zones Hunter Valley, Macquarie, EJ and Macquarie with the clubs underpinning this to the clubs running the whole SAP programme has gone?

I was sceptical and for me the jury is still out. I feel the clubs are still underprepared with standard of coaching, the size and work implementing the programme is far bigger than what they expected and Northern are a shambles with organising it which really doesn't help the clubs. I also think when clubs get quality coaches on board the players will migrate there creating their own member zones with the rest being cast aside.

Would parents be happier to go back to the old system or do they think in time this is the best way?

I answer this based on my own experience with the club SAP as our family never had any experience with the Zone SAP.

The main difference seems to be:

Club SAP develops more players in preparation for NPL
Zone SAP concentrated on developing a smaller amount of hand picked players


Whilst I agree in principle that the Zone SAP was more focused on developing the best kids that could be found within the zones, it did leave kids behind that could have benefited from more focused training. Not every kid develops technically or physically at the same pace. By the time 13's NPL came around, how many of those kids have been caught up to physically but are then only at an advantage due to technique and game understanding? How many kids stayed in the Zone SAP because they got in early rather than being one of the best players?

I've heard rumours that NNSWF are looking to reduce teams to one per age group which should stem some of the dilution of talent in the players and coaches.

Ultimately though with SAP now being a 2 tier (or pool A/B) structure NNSWF should be looking at tiered payment models as well (look at FNSW as an example) which should dictate the quality of club support, TD's, Coaching, etc you are paying for.

[BS detecor]

I have a simple football related question which I hope its allowed on this non football forum.

How do parents, coaches etc feel the transition from running 8 teams in the member zones Hunter Valley, Macquarie, EJ and Macquarie with the clubs underpinning this to the clubs running the whole SAP programme has gone?

I was sceptical and for me the jury is still out. I feel the clubs are still underprepared with standard of coaching, the size and work implementing the programme is far bigger than what they expected and Northern are a shambles with organising it which really doesn't help the clubs. I also think when clubs get quality coaches on board the players will migrate there creating their own member zones with the rest being cast aside.

Would parents be happier to go back to the old system or do they think in time this is the best way?

It’s way too early to make a call. We always want instant results but change takes time. It might take 10 years for this program to start showing signs of real progress. The best thing we could do for our youth is develop an Australian way of playing football and stop copying from other countries curriculums that we have no chance of emulating.

[traffic light]

Dont feed the Arse222 troll. Clearly has no idea.



I have a simple football related question which I hope its allowed on this non football forum.

How do parents, coaches etc feel the transition from running 8 teams in the member zones Hunter Valley, Macquarie, EJ and Macquarie with the clubs underpinning this to the clubs running the whole SAP programme has gone?

I was sceptical and for me the jury is still out. I feel the clubs are still underprepared with standard of coaching, the size and work implementing the programme is far bigger than what they expected and Northern are a shambles with organising it which really doesn't help the clubs. I also think when clubs get quality coaches on board the players will migrate there creating their own member zones with the rest being cast aside.

Would parents be happier to go back to the old system or do they think in time this is the best way?

Current system is quite bloated and has dilution of talent from good to poor. Older metro system couldn't attract the best either even though players were very few. I sometimes think TSP coaches are clutching at straws when trying to pick our best players let alone JDL clubs.

Not sure where we go from here. One team per club for a start but even that has repercussions at 12's when recruiting for 13s.

JDL - 2 Tiers, All NBN Hitfm clubs enter. NBN clubs start in the top tier and relegation on club championship points format. Let clubs manipulate the nnsw "Dutch mantra" to suit club culture of playing style

[Goatscheese]

I have a simple football related question which I hope its allowed on this non football forum.

How do parents, coaches etc feel the transition from running 8 teams in the member zones Hunter Valley, Macquarie, EJ and Macquarie with the clubs underpinning this to the clubs running the whole SAP programme has gone?

I was sceptical and for me the jury is still out. I feel the clubs are still underprepared with standard of coaching, the size and work implementing the programme is far bigger than what they expected and Northern are a shambles with organising it which really doesn't help the clubs. I also think when clubs get quality coaches on board the players will migrate there creating their own member zones with the rest being cast aside.

Would parents be happier to go back to the old system or do they think in time this is the best way?

The fact is with more kids involved the higher the chance of finding the few gems and the rest developing better without it. The less kids involved the smaller number of developed players around


Any suggestion that we need to start having club championships from U9s is absurd. However, I will say that throughout the year teams do need to be playing against teams of their own ability and this needs to be assessed. Northern knows this but can't be bothered doing it properly. We saw that with the shambles of using the 5 aside courts and then ignored the results anyway, was nothing more than raising funds for them.

[THEBIGCHEESE]

Thanks for the response.

Just being curious now, maybe now SAP has been adopted by the clubs there is a place for the member zones to have their own SAP again for the higher potential players.

Would this

* Provide a platform for the better players to all train together.
* Allow other players at clubs to get more time develop at there own pace.
* Allow a competition which could provide valuable learning.
* Give players extra motivation to achieve success by being selected in the member zones.
* Promoting coaching opportunities and education

If this was in place of the TSP and worked on a 3 month cycle with coaches and TD's providing feedback on the player before inviting them back in or releasing them, TD's of the zones would be expected to visit each club 3 times during this cycle to discuss potential recruitment which is 2 training sessions and a gameday would this be better than the once a year selection by NNSWF who don't attend games?

[Yato]

Take under 12’s for example - around 300 kids playing JDL and 800 playing community.
How can that be considered a ‘talented’ program?
If the clubs stop thinking about the massive money making scheme that it is and we go to one team/club, then we may see more even results with a much better standard of football.
As a community coach and JDL parent, I’ve seen plenty of kids out of that 800 that are also arguably better than quite a number of kids in the 300.
Parents want their kid to be ‘talented’, and if you are willing to pay and trial at every club, most will get a spot.
Let’s take it back to the 80’s when you earnt your spot in a rep team and didn’t pay ridiculous money for the privilege.
150 would be enough for the NPL clubs to draw from for 13’s, but how would they then fund their 1st grade players???

[sapdad]

I’ve seen plenty of kids out of that 800 that are also arguably better than quite a number of kids in the 300.
Im still not sure why people keep bringing this point up.No one on here or anyone anywhere in the program that ive met thinks anything differently to this.Of course theres talent across the whole footballing community.JDL is one small part of it.Its a different approach that was taken due to the issues in the old system.No one is calling at talent program, no one thinks of it as an elite program.Its for kids to learn the 4 core skills and springboard that into 13's NPL and hopefully beyond.Thats it.The first crop of those kids will join 13's NPL next year, lets see how many of those kids that want to go on actually do, and if the level of football is increased by this approach.Anyone thinking its an instant fix is kidding themselves.The bar needs to be rising every year and its got to start somewhere.

[sapdad]

Current system is quite bloated and has dilution of talent from good to poor. Older metro system couldn't attract the best either even though players were very few. I sometimes think TSP coaches are clutching at straws when trying to pick our best players let alone JDL clubs.

Not sure where we go from here. One team per club for a start but even that has repercussions at 12's when recruiting for 13s.


Im a believer in 2 teams per club but understand the argument on both sides.My concern is that after 12's if every club has 22 players to choose from the temptation to want to fill spots is less than if they only had 11 to begin with.Im hopeful it means less player movement and kids who start in a club at 9's may feel more compelled to stay there and not chase a 'better' opportunity elsewhere.Of course some still will, but if the better teams are happy with their 16-18 best kids then theres less reason for them to recruit and weaken the other clubs.
Its probably not a universal opinion but i also agree with NPL and Hit clubs being seperate.This way it gives kids the knowledge that if they want to play NPL they need to be at an NPL club.New Lambton has been a good example of being good enough to play against anyone the first few years to kids leaving early to try and get in an NPL program.It has left their teams this year to rebuild in a a few ways and its not really fair on the club to develop kids and have them move on half way through.If kids know where they will end up those choices may be made earlier.And its also not a knock on the kids as if they want to play for an NPL team they need to give themselves the best opportunity.

[Aegon]

As a community coach and JDL parent, I’ve seen plenty of kids out of that 800 that are also arguably better than quite a number of kids in the 300.


It's hard to make the comparison without considering the age group and individual teams.

In 9's, the majority of kids are pretty raw and I think outside of the bigger NPL club teams you are probably right.
In the 11's and 12's though then you have to look at individual clubs.
A high achiever in 12's community is going to struggle to get a look in at the top clubs but will probably have a chance at other clubs depending on how well they can trial.

Based on my viewing of a 12A's game a little while ago that ended up 10-0, I didn't see any individuals that stood out head and shoulders above the rest or any that looked like they'd fit right in within a strong SAP team.

[traffic light]

The fact is with more kids involved the higher the chance of finding the few gems and the rest developing better without it. The less kids involved the smaller number of developed players around
Any suggestion that we need to start having club championships from U9s is absurd. However, I will say that throughout the year teams do need to be playing against teams of their own ability and this needs to be assessed. Northern knows this but can't be bothered doing it properly. We saw that with the shambles of using the 5 aside courts and then ignored the results anyway, was nothing more than raising funds for them.

nah. The gems will find the top anyway. "Developing" all kids will just mean that all-age can pass better and clubs can make a lot of $$ in the mean time.

Club championship was an option not an ideal solution.

And Northern have somewhat fixed the inconsistency with the phase 3 draw.

[traffic light]

It's hard to make the comparison without considering the age group and individual teams.

In 9's, the majority of kids are pretty raw and I think outside of the bigger NPL club teams you are probably right.
In the 11's and 12's though then you have to look at individual clubs.
A high achiever in 12's community is going to struggle to get a look in at the top clubs but will probably have a chance at other clubs depending on how well they can trial.

Based on my viewing of a 12A's game a little while ago that ended up 10-0, I didn't see any individuals that stood out head and shoulders above the rest or any that looked like they'd fit right in within a strong SAP team.
Good to see that clubs who have gone to one team are much more competitive

[Aegon]

Good to see that clubs who have gone to one team are much more competitive

Sorry I meant a community div 12A game.
If it came across as a call out around clubs with one team that was not my intention.

[traffic light]

Sorry I meant a community div 12A game.
If it came across as a call out around clubs with one team that was not my intention.

All good. I didnt take it as a put down for community. I was referring to the positive improvement in JDL teams who have gone to 1 team.

I havent seen much community to comment. I wonder if community players actually enjoy not having superstars running through their teams.

[Goatscheese]

nah. The gems will find the top anyway. "Developing" all kids will just mean that all-age can pass better and clubs can make a lot of $$ in the mean time.

You're missing the point, there will be more gems and special gems of higher quality than now. This isn't even my opinion this is based off a 2009 study published by the British Psychological Society looking into more kids doing more of the same activity and how it results in better outcomes not just for the general population but the top marks higher as well.

[Goatscheese]

You'd be silly not to look at a couple 12A and 12B teams to potentially take one or two players to trail at NPL clubs, they have the experience on the bigger field. One player who made it through to the second TSP camp came through community, never played Zone SAP and was in a 12B team selected over players who went through the Zone SAP program

[sapdad]

I was referring to the positive improvement in JDL teams who have gone to 1

which club has had improvement by going to one team?

[traffic light]

which club has had improvement by going to one team?

Adamstown, Lake mac, Wallsend to a degree, Weston. Better still go onto the draws from last year to this year ya lazy sod

[sapdad]

Adamstown, Lake mac, Wallsend to a degree, Weston. Better still go onto the draws from last year to this year ya lazy sod

Sorry but please excuse me if I read that with the image of an Alf Stewart type old man wagging his finger at me.I genuinely had no idea other than New Lambton and Maitland in 12's going back to 1 team.Hopefully they all find enough extra kids to round out a strong 13's squad.

[traffic light]

Sorry but please excuse me if I read that with the image of an Alf Stewart type old man wagging his finger at me.I genuinely had no idea other than New Lambton and Maitland in 12's going back to 1 team.Hopefully they all find enough extra kids to round out a strong 13's squad.

All tongue in cheek. Probably shouldve added the emoji thingy.

But all in all 1 good team is way better than 2 weak ones for game play. But i wonder if 2 team clubs are getting an advantage for squads in 13s and $$$ for paying seniors?

[Bremsstrahlung]

Depends what this SAP/JDL’s aim is.
Is it an elite program? 1 team.
Is it a development program? 2 teams.

The more kids that can be introduced to quality training and receive constructive feedback, the better they should be.
You get lopsided contests in all grades, all ages, that’s part of football. On the right track trying to even out the games.

I still can’t help but think, 85% of the best 100 players will be in the top tier competition. If there’s no JDL, they will be in their inter district teams playing A and B grade.
If there’s a NPL style comp, they’ll be playing that.
If there’s a JDL with 2 teams per club, they’ll be in that
Just calling it something difference.

The positive that I can see from this program is that the coaching seems more structured and with purpose than you’d receive at inter district level (on average). And with 2 teams you can affect and change and develop more players.

Get 2 teams at each club. (Not sure on numbers of clubs and teams so bear with me). Say 20 teams, 10 in a team. 200 kids at SAP Level.
Then onto NPL youth, 10 clubs, say 15 in a squad. 150 players per age. 50 drop out or onto NEWFM etc
From NPL youth, 150 can’t just go into 18s. Let’s say half a squad is promoted from NPL Youth to 18s.
That’s 80 kids into NPL senior set ups. After 1-2 years they can move onto 20s.
Then how many make first grade? Maybe 4? Being generous.

Just very very very rough numbers. But improving the base of the pyramid in SAP a exposure to quality programs can only be a good thing?

[traffic light]

There's 27 - 30 teams in each age.

So it's basically, it's A, B, C grade all wrapped into 1 with improved coaching, exorbitant fees and a whole lot of hype.

[cobra23]

Take under 12’s for example - around 300 kids playing JDL and 800 playing community.
How can that be considered a ‘talented’ program?
If the clubs stop thinking about the massive money making scheme that it is and we go to one team/club, then we may see more even results with a much better standard of football.
As a community coach and JDL parent, I’ve seen plenty of kids out of that 800 that are also arguably better than quite a number of kids in the 300.
Parents want their kid to be ‘talented’, and if you are willing to pay and trial at every club, most will get a spot.
Let’s take it back to the 80’s when you earnt your spot in a rep team and didn’t pay ridiculous money for the privilege.
150 would be enough for the NPL clubs to draw from for 13’s, but how would they then fund their 1st grade players???

Sap has been going for what 5 years .. if that's your answer for clubs paying first grade footballers then how did the firstgraders get paid prior to sap ?

[BS detecor]

There's 27 - 30 teams in each age.

So it's basically, it's A, B, C grade all wrapped into 1 with improved coaching, exorbitant fees and a whole lot of hype.

Is it improved coaching though? Are not most of the coaches just dads who have done a little course. I’d be interested to see how many coaches have even a c license which of itself doesn’t necessarily make you a good coach just like a drivers license doesn’t make you a good driver.
I would replace improved coaching with structured coaching and then we can debate whether that actually helps or hinders development. What will develop kids is playing loads and loads of football every day

[sapdad]

Is it improved coaching though? Are not most of the coaches just dads who have done a little course. I’d be interested to see how many coaches have even a c license which of itself doesn’t necessarily make you a good coach just like a drivers license doesn’t make you a good driver.
I would replace improved coaching with structured coaching and then we can debate whether that actually helps or hinders development. What will develop kids is playing loads and loads of football every day

I can absolutely vouch for the coaching.Of the coaches my son has had across the program,all but 1 have their C licence (min) and the one who didnt played at a really high level and was brilliant across all the parts of the program.For sure there are dads helping out at some clubs but most take it very very seriously and have high expectations on how their kids are being coached.Id bet that the longer it goes on the more incentive is put out there for coaches to get licences.That doesnt mean everything though ive seen a few coaches with the proper certificates who still have no idea how to teach kids.So it definitiely is a balance but for the most part coaches doing the right thing have been vital to any success the program is to have.

[Aegon]

Is it improved coaching though? Are not most of the coaches just dads who have done a little course. I’d be interested to see how many coaches have even a c license which of itself doesn’t necessarily make you a good coach just like a drivers license doesn’t make you a good driver.
I would replace improved coaching with structured coaching and then we can debate whether that actually helps or hinders development. What will develop kids is playing loads and loads of football every day

For the vast majority it is improved coaching with support from a dedicated SAP co-ordinator or technical director.
There is also now a requirement for clubs to train a couple of times at the LMRFF to give NNSWF technical staff the opportunity to see how individual clubs and coaches are coaching the kids with a coach dedicated session after the training is finished. The intention of this is to ensure that the kids are being coached effectively and to provide advice or recommendations on how to improve.

The big difference here is community coaches need to be self motivated, knowledgeable & willing to seek improvement as the oversight and support at most community clubs is negligible.

[Isthisforreal]

For the vast majority it is improved coaching with support from a dedicated SAP co-ordinator or technical director.
There is also now a requirement for clubs to train a couple of times at the LMRFF to give NNSWF technical staff the opportunity to see how individual clubs and coaches are coaching the kids with a coach dedicated session after the training is finished. The intention of this is to ensure that the kids are being coached effectively and to provide advice or recommendations on how to improve.

The big difference here is community coaches need to be self motivated, knowledgeable & willing to seek improvement as the oversight and support at most community clubs is negligible.

You have to work for NNSW if you actually believe that crap …

[traffic light]

Is it improved coaching though? Are not most of the coaches just dads who have done a little course. I’d be interested to see how many coaches have even a c license which of itself doesn’t necessarily make you a good coach just like a drivers license doesn’t make you a good driver.
I would replace improved coaching with structured coaching and then we can debate whether that actually helps or hinders development. What will develop kids is playing loads and loads of football every day

Didnt say it was great coaching but much improved from a kick and chase non footballing parent even in high junior grades.

TDs are deliver greater knowledge to coaches through several clubs that ive seen but that raises another problem. TDs have varying ideas on how to best play the game. One club will ridicule what another does on multiple levels. So how do we know who is getting it right?

[BS detecor]

Didnt say it was great coaching but much improved from a kick and chase non footballing parent even in high junior grades.

TDs are deliver greater knowledge to coaches through several clubs that ive seen but that raises another problem. TDs have varying ideas on how to best play the game. One club will ridicule what another does on multiple levels. So how do we know who is getting it right?

I’m all for coming up with a curriculum based on the strengths of young Australian players rather than a European method that doesn’t suit us.
I don’t see the point of playing 4 passes inside your own penalty area just for the sake of it. I don’t see the need to play 40 passes before having a shot, especially when 20 of them are backwards between the centre backs and the goalkeeper.
Aussies are fit, fast, strong and tall. We should be pressing high and hard against teams that want to play out, win the ball high and play forward quickly to runners in behind. We shouldn’t be afraid of playing crosses into the box. It shouldn’t be considered bad play to score after 3 passes from the keeper. We can’t compete with the technical ability of the European teams.
Just my opinion

[traffic light]

I’m all for coming up with a curriculum based on the strengths of young Australian players rather than a European method that doesn’t suit us.
I don’t see the point of playing 4 passes inside your own penalty area just for the sake of it. I don’t see the need to play 40 passes before having a shot, especially when 20 of them are backwards between the centre backs and the goalkeeper.
Aussies are fit, fast, strong and tall. We should be pressing high and hard against teams that want to play out, win the ball high and play forward quickly to runners in behind. We shouldn’t be afraid of playing crosses into the box. It shouldn’t be considered bad play to score after 3 passes from the keeper. We can’t compete with the technical ability of the European teams.
Just my opinion

For sure.
Remember when the Jets youth had to play out EVERY time. farce.
I think we can add 2 midfielders who are agile and technical. Weve had a few players in the past who can add this dimension to complement the tall physical attributes that we mainly have. Our technical deficiencies, imo, come from lack of in game practice. ie. Informal games on non training days.

maybe we dont have that hunger like other countries do?

[sapdad]

I’m all for coming up with a curriculum based on the strengths of young Australian players rather than a European method that doesn’t suit us.
I don’t see the point of playing 4 passes inside your own penalty area just for the sake of it. I don’t see the need to play 40 passes before having a shot, especially when 20 of them are backwards between the centre backs and the goalkeeper.
Aussies are fit, fast, strong and tall. We should be pressing high and hard against teams that want to play out, win the ball high and play forward quickly to runners in behind. We shouldn’t be afraid of playing crosses into the box. It shouldn’t be considered bad play to score after 3 passes from the keeper. We can’t compete with the technical ability of the European teams.
Just my opinion

I agree with everything you are saying here but the point is that none of this applies to what the JDL program is supposed to be about.Kids learn the 4 core skills, take that to their 13's coach and he/she teaches them tactics.JDL ages shouldnt ever be told how to play.they are only supposed to be told how to use their skills in a game situation.
and yes that is an ideal world and not one coach in the program does it this way but the hope is that our fit fast strong kids of the next generation are more technically skilled than the previous lot.that way we get the best of both worlds.

[Isthisforreal]

For sure.
Remember when the Jets youth had to play out EVERY time. farce.
I think we can add 2 midfielders who are agile and technical. Weve had a few players in the past who can add this dimension to complement the tall physical attributes that we mainly have. Our technical deficiencies, imo, come from lack of in game practice. ie. Informal games on non training days.

maybe we dont have that hunger like other countries do?

You’re questioning Hunger? This forum is full of parents over inflated egos hungry for success, the experts with no ideas and absolutely no clue at all.

Unless you were actually trying to be serious then becareful it’s about participation not winning and losing, you wouldn’t want a kid to have to much hunger or drive to improve or you’ll be labelled by the clowns in this forum. Don’t develop our strengths the text book doesn’t agree, don’t promote competition someone might get offended and above all don’t do extra sessions with quality coaches you’ll be a pushy parent. NNSW promote quantity over quality, appeal to the masses all in the aim of revenue.

Over to the muppets

[traffic light]

You’re questioning Hunger? This forum is full of parents over inflated egos hungry for success, the experts with no ideas and absolutely no clue at all.

Unless you were actually trying to be serious then becareful it’s about participation not winning and losing, you wouldn’t want a kid to have to much hunger or drive to improve or you’ll be labelled by the clowns in this forum. Don’t develop our strengths the text book doesn’t agree, don’t promote competition someone might get offended and above all don’t do extra sessions with quality coaches you’ll be a pushy parent. NNSW promote quantity over quality, appeal to the masses all in the aim of revenue.

Over to the muppets

Not the parents hunger, the kids. How many are really into it?

It's just much easier for Ozies to impress the mates by jamming a youtube channel with kickflips and wearing red speshay jogs then try to master this game.

[Aegon]

Not the parents hunger, the kids. How many are really into it?

It's just much easier for Ozies to impress the mates by jamming a youtube channel with kickflips and wearing red speshay jogs then try to master this game.

I lol’d I’m sad to say.

If not the above then more than happy to just watch big units run into each other for 80minutes.

[SAP SUPER COACH]

it appears more changes in the JDL coaching space with a club recently losing there TD after being hung out to dry by one of his coaches, can anyone confirm?

[Aegon]

it appears more changes in the JDL coaching space with a club recently losing there TD after being hung out to dry by one of his coaches, can anyone confirm?

Absolutely no idea - Haven't heard of any TD changes since Maitland's earlier in the year.

[SAP SUPER COACH]

Obviously too late for this year but I think most would agree that the phases and structure of the JDL this year has been disappointing to say the least. what is everyones thoughts on as a minimum that teams play for points in Phase 3 with the last weekend being a knockout. Think it would be great for these talented kids to experience the challenges faced with a win or a loss as long as its managed well - maybe NNSW could use their gradings as a way to measure and set up different pools of teams for this stage.

[sapdad]

what is everyones thoughts on as a minimum that teams play for points in Phase 3 with the last weekend being a knockout. Think it would be great for these talented kids to experience the challenges faced with a win or a loss as long as its managed well

It already exists.Its called the U/12 Interdistrict comp.You should sign your kid up for that if thats what youre after.

[traffic light]

it appears more changes in the JDL coaching space with a club recently losing there TD after being hung out to dry by one of his coaches, can anyone confirm?

Club? Geez there'd be a few that would know already.

[Goatscheese]

It already exists.Its called the U/12 Interdistrict comp.You should sign your kid up for that if thats what youre after.

There's more than one age group in JDL

[sapdad]

There's more than one age group in JDL

Absolutely.But is the discussion point here people wanting 9 year olds battling for trophies before they can kick with both feet?Or 10 year olds losing semis because we dont care all that much about offside at that age?Because again NNSW have,for now, decided the age that points and finals and trophies matter is 13's.If parents are that thirsty for success for their kids then surely get them in an ID comp with those incentives from whatever age they can.I just feel like we as parents are forever trying to make this program good for us rather than the kids and it just bothers me.The first crop of these kids havent even graduated from the program and people are on here carrying on about not having enough desire or passion.I have no idea where they get that from because the kids I watch every weekend across many age groups all try their hardest to win.
(and just to be clear im not accusing you of that).

[Jim]

Absolutely.But is the discussion point here people wanting 9 year olds battling for trophies before they can kick with both feet?Or 10 year olds losing semis because we dont care all that much about offside at that age?Because again NNSW have,for now, decided the age that points and finals and trophies matter is 13's.If parents are that thirsty for success for their kids then surely get them in an ID comp with those incentives from whatever age they can.I just feel like we as parents are forever trying to make this program good for us rather than the kids and it just bothers me.The first crop of these kids havent even graduated from the program and people are on here carrying on about not having enough desire or passion.I have no idea where they get that from because the kids I watch every weekend across many age groups all try their hardest to win.
(and just to be clear im not accusing you of that).

Happier the way it is. No points. Kids can play as fast as they like without the pts.

They have enough competition between each other as it is.

[sapdad]

They have enough competition between each other as it is.

This is a really good point Jim.

[YewYew]

it appears more changes in the JDL coaching space with a club recently losing there TD after being hung out to dry by one of his coaches, can anyone confirm?

U gonna fill us in on the news super coach? Who been hung by which coach?

[Goatscheese]

Absolutely.But is the discussion point here people wanting 9 year olds battling for trophies before they can kick with both feet?Or 10 year olds losing semis because we dont care all that much about offside at that age?Because again NNSW have,for now, decided the age that points and finals and trophies matter is 13's.If parents are that thirsty for success for their kids then surely get them in an ID comp with those incentives from whatever age they can.I just feel like we as parents are forever trying to make this program good for us rather than the kids and it just bothers me.The first crop of these kids havent even graduated from the program and people are on here carrying on about not having enough desire or passion.I have no idea where they get that from because the kids I watch every weekend across many age groups all try their hardest to win.
(and just to be clear im not accusing you of that).

Someone asked a question if it was worth having points in the final stage and then seemed their reasoning was about development. Not all development is about technical stuff.

[YewYew]

Someone asked a question if it was worth having points in the final stage and then seemed their reasoning was about development. Not all development is about technical stuff.

My question is where the best coaches at? If my kid gonna get better where he to go?

No1 talk about that. All this club that club no scores no ladder but where the best coaches??

[Bremsstrahlung]

How do the kids feel? Would a little comp over a weekend or 2 at the end make them happy? Is that something they’d like to do?

Devils advocate, can it be a worse idea than the cage matches?
Only 1-2 weeks of the program, at the end. Bit of fun for the kids. Parents get to go to work the next day and pop on their local forum and tell us who won.

I’d be interested to see it trialled with maybe the 2 older age groups. Argument being that it’s a bit of a competitive environment to help them prepare for competitive matches in NPL Youth. Would also be good to see, and would potentially validate the no points/scores approach to this development/elite league. If clubs stick to their fundamentals and try to play out as they normally would, it could be good. If they resort to sticking 2 players high and long ball to them or the game being a mess, it kind of validates the idea to not score and compete for points. (Would you even introduce the concept of offside? Just to delineate it from what they’ve been doing)

Think there’s more reasons not to do it, kind of sends mixed messages too. But, not the worst idea.

It’s an interesting point as to the purpose of this comp/league/kick around. If it’s about their football development and journey, then on paper, I wouldn’t be opposed to some kind of hybrid set of rules between SAP and NPL youth. Eg maybe introduce offside in the older groups. An attempt to prepare and transition them to NPL. (Do many teams “exploit” offside? Would there be many offsides in a game as is?

Or do we not really have a problem going from small fields, no offside, no points etc to big field, offside rules, points. Let NPL a youth clubs educate their players in pre-season.

[Aegon]

How do the kids feel? Would a little comp over a weekend or 2 at the end make them happy? Is that something they’d like to do?

Devils advocate, can it be a worse idea than the cage matches?
Only 1-2 weeks of the program, at the end. Bit of fun for the kids. Parents get to go to work the next day and pop on their local forum and tell us who won.

I’d be interested to see it trialled with maybe the 2 older age groups. Argument being that it’s a bit of a competitive environment to help them prepare for competitive matches in NPL Youth. Would also be good to see, and would potentially validate the no points/scores approach to this development/elite league. If clubs stick to their fundamentals and try to play out as they normally would, it could be good. If they resort to sticking 2 players high and long ball to them or the game being a mess, it kind of validates the idea to not score and compete for points. (Would you even introduce the concept of offside? Just to delineate it from what they’ve been doing)

Think there’s more reasons not to do it, kind of sends mixed messages too. But, not the worst idea.

It’s an interesting point as to the purpose of this comp/league/kick around. If it’s about their football development and journey, then on paper, I wouldn’t be opposed to some kind of hybrid set of rules between SAP and NPL youth. Eg maybe introduce offside in the older groups. An attempt to prepare and transition them to NPL. (Do many teams “exploit” offside? Would there be many offsides in a game as is?

Or do we not really have a problem going from small fields, no offside, no points etc to big field, offside rules, points. Let NPL a youth clubs educate their players in pre-season.

Offside is already in the 11's and 12's & in 9's and 10's game leaders are supposed to give free kicks for blatant offsides.

[sapdad]

Parents get to go to work the next day and pop on their local forum and tell us who won.


The problem is this is the only reason it would exist.The kids play to win and learn,the good coaches coach to win the right way,parents for the most part just want to brag.We dont need more of it.Also,with more at stake the behavior towards refs and players will only get worse and im not interested in any of that for my kid.Hes lucky at the moment his coach is amazing and more interested in the process rather than the result and hes a better footballer because of it.He'll get plenty of heartbreak and glory from next year on.Im fine for him to wait til then.

[Jim]

The coaches club is in the last 32 of the FFA Cup

down to Magic, Olympic, Weston

[BS detecor]

How do the kids feel? Would a little comp over a weekend or 2 at the end make them happy? Is that something they’d like to do?

Devils advocate, can it be a worse idea than the cage matches?
Only 1-2 weeks of the program, at the end. Bit of fun for the kids. Parents get to go to work the next day and pop on their local forum and tell us who won.

I’d be interested to see it trialled with maybe the 2 older age groups. Argument being that it’s a bit of a competitive environment to help them prepare for competitive matches in NPL Youth. Would also be good to see, and would potentially validate the no points/scores approach to this development/elite league. If clubs stick to their fundamentals and try to play out as they normally would, it could be good. If they resort to sticking 2 players high and long ball to them or the game being a mess, it kind of validates the idea to not score and compete for points. (Would you even introduce the concept of offside? Just to delineate it from what they’ve been doing)

Think there’s more reasons not to do it, kind of sends mixed messages too. But, not the worst idea.

It’s an interesting point as to the purpose of this comp/league/kick around. If it’s about their football development and journey, then on paper, I wouldn’t be opposed to some kind of hybrid set of rules between SAP and NPL youth. Eg maybe introduce offside in the older groups. An attempt to prepare and transition them to NPL. (Do many teams “exploit” offside? Would there be many offsides in a game as is?

Or do we not really have a problem going from small fields, no offside, no points etc to big field, offside rules, points. Let NPL a youth clubs educate their players in pre-season.

In the La Liga futures tournament they have an offside line that is basically the edge of the penalty area and you can only be offside beyond that line. Interesting concept

[JustHearThings]

down to Magic, Olympic, Weston

It's magic

[finzee]

it appears more changes in the JDL coaching space with a club recently losing there TD after being hung out to dry by one of his coaches, can anyone confirm?

How does a coach hang a TD out to dry?

[Aegon]

I watched Jaffa’s vs Magic in the 11’s this morning.

2 very competitive games. Both great to watch.

One of them the was the first goalless game of SAP/JDL I have seen in 3 years.

[Aegon]

Did anyone got to the first gala day weekend?

If so, how did it go? Any pain points? What worked well?

[sapdad]

Did anyone got to the first gala day weekend?

If so, how did it go? Any pain points? What worked well?

I spoke to a parent whos son played in the 12's yesterday.He said there was a fair gap in talent between the Newcastle NPL teams and the rest.He said they had some last minute changes due to the covid rules but otherwise went as well as expected.

[Eastwest]

it appears more changes in the JDL coaching space with a club recently losing there TD after being hung out to dry by one of his coaches, can anyone confirm?

And said coach is a disease. bad luck for the TD

[YewYew]

And said coach is a disease. bad luck for the TD

Sound like Tragic

I bet ya a middy we all no the coach.

[JustMe]

Sound like Tragic

I bet ya a middy we all no the coach.

:thumbsup:

[JustMe]

Lad at the local club has the choice next year between Playing U12 JDL or U13 NPL. Has played up an age before which was well suited but not this year.
Physical attributes no problem, skill level fine, and quick.
Current club wont do it but another club will. He's seems happy enough where he is but is busting at the bit to get to the big field and pts.

Is there any benefit to jump early into 13s?

[Aegon]

Lad at the local club has the choice next year between Playing U12 JDL or U13 NPL. Has played up an age before which was well suited but not this year.
Physical attributes no problem, skill level fine, and quick.
Current club wont do it but another club will. He's seems happy enough where he is but is busting at the bit to get to the big field and pts.

Is there any benefit to jump early into 13s?

In my opinion it’s completely dependent on the individual.
Are they completely dominating 11’s?
Are they physically more advanced than most other kids?
What advantage will they get from playing up and age?
Would they benefit from another year of no results, meaning they may have a bit more creative flexibility?
They’ll need to understand they’ll get less touches per game as well.

[sapdad]

Lad at the local club has the choice next year between Playing U12 JDL or U13 NPL. Has played up an age before which was well suited but not this year.
Physical attributes no problem, skill level fine, and quick.
Current club wont do it but another club will. He's seems happy enough where he is but is busting at the bit to get to the big field and pts.

Is there any benefit to jump early into 13s?

Where ever the better coaching and environment is, thats where id play him.

[JustMe]

In my opinion it’s completely dependent on the individual.
Are they completely dominating 11’s?
Are they physically more advanced than most other kids?
What advantage will they get from playing up and age?
Would they benefit from another year of no results, meaning they may have a bit more creative flexibility?
They’ll need to understand they’ll get less touches per game as well.

Good points. That last one is very true. Wondering myself if its beneficial. Its not a huge thing just an option to go with.


Where ever the better coaching and environment is, thats where id play him.

Very fair point. not sure at this stage

[Bremsstrahlung]

I’d say play NPL, if his skills are good and it’s a mid/top NPL club with good rep.
If he looks out of place or JDL is easy for him, play up.
JDL seems great for development and affording players conditions to improve their fundamentals, but once that’s under control, there’s a lot to learn from playing NPL. An extra year with NPL coaching (assumed good quality), competitive games, longer games, tactical awareness, comradery that develops as a result of playing for points.
If the NPL club has a good rep and he’s not gonna be benched all the time, should consider it.

[Goatscheese]

Lad at the local club has the choice next year between Playing U12 JDL or U13 NPL. Has played up an age before which was well suited but not this year.
Physical attributes no problem, skill level fine, and quick.
Current club wont do it but another club will. He's seems happy enough where he is but is busting at the bit to get to the big field and pts.

Is there any benefit to jump early into 13s?

Depends which club it is, is it a strong club that will help challenge or develop him or is it a weak club looking for some good players that may not help him out. If it is the former certainly do it if latter leave him where he is if it too is at a good club. If at a good club you might mention that he is going to play U13s at another club and they might then push him up, that's what a U12s TSP player did at their current club.

[Doopche]

Ok so he stands out in JDL? Will he stand out in the 13s NPL team or just make up the numbers? I know plenty of JDL kids that can jump to a 13s NPL team and be just another player or even some that would walk into the lower 13s teams. Some JDL teams even beat the lower 13s NPL teams. Lots of the bottom clubs will offer younger talents spots in NPL over JDL 12s just to lure them over and parents think it’s a huge achievement. Like others said if it’s at a top club yes, bottom club then you will end up regretting it. Seen it happen in older ages and won’t be much different in younger ages.
Is it the kid that can’t wait for the points table or the dad? 👀

[Aegon]

What are the stand out benefits for playing at 13's early?

My young lad (in this years 11's) was spoken to about playing for his local club's 13's team next year.
I couldn't think of any justification for him doing so, he's not the biggest lad but he's strong technically.
He currently has an excellent coach and looks forward to every training session and game.
My opinion is that he will benefit from another 12 months of technical & physical development.

By taking that extra step up to NPL 13's competition there is pressure on to win games that in some cases may stifle the opportunity to try new things and risk them going wrong in a game situation, there is also the risk of less playing time (bigger squads) & less time with the ball.

I'd also heard on the grapevine that several of the boys in this years 12's TSP playing 13's NPL seemed to be less technically proficient than their 12's JDL counterparts.

I may be missing something, but I am not in a rush to get him up the age groups as I think this stage of learning the game is essential.

[Isthisforreal]

What are the stand out benefits for playing at 13's early?

My young lad (in this years 11's) was spoken to about playing for his local club's 13's team next year.
I couldn't think of any justification for him doing so, he's not the biggest lad but he's strong technically.
He currently has an excellent coach and looks forward to every training session and game.
My opinion is that he will benefit from another 12 months of technical & physical development.

By taking that extra step up to NPL 13's competition there is pressure on to win games that in some cases may stifle the opportunity to try new things and risk them going wrong in a game situation, there is also the risk of less playing time (bigger squads) & less time with the ball.

I'd also heard on the grapevine that several of the boys in this years 12's TSP playing 13's NPL seemed to be less technically proficient than their 12's JDL counterparts.

I may be missing something, but I am not in a rush to get him up the age groups as I think this stage of learning the game is essential.



It’s pretty simple let’s not over complicate it.

If the kid is ready then he’s ready regardless of age.

There are 12s playing 13s this year and are killing it, it’s been great for them. There are also some who weren’t ready and are struggling.

The TSP shouldn’t be used as a reference, there are some there that absolutely should be playing NPL, there are some who aren’t ready yet and there are some who shouldn’t be in the TSP program at all.

If they’re dominating their own age group and are physically ready then playing up an age won’t be an issue. There’s a boy playing up in 12s JDL now who is killing it and is one of the best players in the 12s JDL, if he played in the 12s again next year he would be bored, not challenged at all and would destroy other teams come game day, no one wins.

It’s all about the individual and if they’re ready.. let’s not try and do the one size fits all approach, you’ll only stifle the progress.

[JustMe]

It’s pretty simple let’s not over complicate it.

If the kid is ready then he’s ready regardless of age.

There are 12s playing 13s this year and are killing it, it’s been great for them. There are also some who weren’t ready and are struggling.

The TSP shouldn’t be used as a reference, there are some there that absolutely should be playing NPL, there are some who aren’t ready yet and there are some who shouldn’t be in the TSP program at all.

If they’re dominating their own age group and are physically ready then playing up an age won’t be an issue. There’s a boy playing up in 12s JDL now who is killing it and is one of the best players in the 12s JDL, if he played in the 12s again next year he would be bored, not challenged at all and would destroy other teams come game day, no one wins.

It’s all about the individual and if they’re ready.. let’s not try and do the one size fits all approach, you’ll only stifle the progress.

I saw 1 lad coast through 12s this year. Seemed like a lost year. IMO he would have easily been more challenged learning the craft of on a larger field in 13s this year. Seeing him is what bought this up to the other kid.

It's not a big deal but a good discussion point at this age group. If 12s were played on a bigger field i think there'd be less need to go anywhere.

Mentioning TSP, many who played up this went into this. Wonder if they would choose the same if everyone stayed 12s.

[SAP SUPER COACH]

I bet you don’t know who it is !
But he is leaving to join his under the bus TD has announced it already !

[Jim]

I bet you don’t know who it is !
But he is leaving to join his under the bus TD has announced it already !

Someone who liked the last TD. hmmm

[Aegon]

Someone who liked the last TD. hmmm

Unfortunately this sounds messy.

Politics, egos & agendas getting in the way of development of the kids.

What is the bet that players want to follow the coach or TD? It'll probably result in some changes to the JDL landscape.

[SAP SUPER COACH]

Coach has been advised by new club that can’t take kids as there is an agreement.
I’m also told the TD had no relationship with players or parents so why would they follow Makes no sense.
Which way do you run in a storm ?

[Goatscheese]

Coach has been advised by new club that can’t take kids as there is an agreement.
I’m also told the TD had no relationship with players or parents so why would they follow Makes no sense.
Which way do you run in a storm ?

Would be a "can't offer kids spots before trials", if he has a great player the TD isn't going to say no just not allow the coach to say he has a spot first.

[samcan]

Coach has been advised by new club that can’t take kids as there is an agreement.
I’m also told the TD had no relationship with players or parents so why would they follow Makes no sense.
Which way do you run in a storm ?

New club sounds like it has some integrity. BUT, if the parents want to follow it's hard to knock back the better ones.

And as Aegon said, pity this has to happen in kids football. Theyll still all play each other regardless of colours.

[Cunning stunts]

What is the current ruling of clubs offering spots already to current JDL players from different clubs?

[Doopche]

What is the current ruling of clubs offering spots already to current JDL players from different clubs?

Ruling? There is no ruling, parents will take kids to whichever club they want and not much you can do to stop them.
On the other matter you guys make a big deal out of the smallest crap. So what a coach left a club 😱 its football that’s what happens regularly, stop making a big deal out of it. Players and coaches will swap teams it’s not a big drama, stop trying to create one because you guys are bored and need something to talk about.

[Cunning stunts]

Ruling? There is no ruling, parents will take kids to whichever club they want and not much you can do to stop them.
On the other matter you guys make a big deal out of the smallest crap. So what a coach left a club �� its football that’s what happens regularly, stop making a big deal out of it. Players and coaches will swap teams it’s not a big drama, stop trying to create one because you guys are bored and need something to talk about.

I really don't care if players swap clubs etc as it happens everywhere. I was generally asking as i have heard there is a certain date that clubs can only offer players outside there club a spot in there JDL program if that said player is currently playing for another JDL club.

[Reds Forever]

I really don't care if players swap clubs etc as it happens everywhere. I was generally asking as i have heard there is a certain date that clubs can only offer players outside there club a spot in there JDL program if that said player is currently playing for another JDL club.

Yes there is generally a date set by northern on when clubs can hold trials and make offers. This date is after Jets trials as they want Jets to have first crack at players and then remaining kids trial for NPL.

Unsure if this will happen this year with recent changes to Jets academy with Kew across both and first year of clubs have control of sap and NPL.

[sapdad]

What is the current ruling of clubs offering spots already to current JDL players from different clubs?

We were told by our club there are no official dates set out by NNSW anymore.JDL clubs are already informing kids they wont have a spot next year and expressions of interest are out for a few clubs for next year.Someone told me the other day that Adamstown are asking for expressions for 2022 for only U/9 and 13 NPL. No word on the other age groups which means they are happy with the kids they have or are handling offers of spots/trials themselves.

[traffic light]

I really don't care if players swap clubs etc as it happens everywhere. I was generally asking as i have heard there is a certain date that clubs can only offer players outside there club a spot in there JDL program if that said player is currently playing for another JDL club.

It's all on. Negotiate now. Cant hurt

[JustHearThings]

New club sounds like it has some integrity. BUT, if the parents want to follow it's hard to knock back the better ones.

And as Aegon said, pity this has to happen in kids football. Theyll still all play each other regardless of colours.

The club he leaving from has already started to offer spots to players as they are worried many will want to follow him to new club. Many are from the team whose coach was a main part of his axing.

[SAP SUPER COACH]

The Coach who was part of his axing is going to the same club ! Would like to see who they will cut from current squads to add these kids who are apparently going . New club is usually loyal to their players let’s see if they are true to their word!

[cobra23]

The Coach who was part of his axing is going to the same club ! Would like to see who they will cut from current squads to add these kids who are apparently going . New club is usually loyal to their players let’s see if they are true to their word!

SAP Super Cock , you sure know a lot about these issues .. maybe your involved same way or another ..
people like you give clubs bad names and are probably a no it all parent that really doesn’t have a clue and be the first to bag people out who are giving there all for the club

[traffic light]

SAP Super Cock , you sure know a lot about these issues .. maybe your involved same way or another ..
people like you give clubs bad names and are probably a no it all parent that really doesn’t have a clue and be the first to bag people out who are giving there all for the club

Actually he knows a lot and you sir are that jealous twat who just hates jaffas and nofc iirc. Now get back to your cancer club and sulk

[SAP SUPER COACH]

Thanks for the wise words Cock Bra ! Not involved in any of the clubs just hear things hero.
Also Not bagging any club either so not sure where that’s coming from.

[cobra23]

Actually he knows a lot and you sir are that jealous twat who just hates jaffas and nofc iirc. Now get back to your cancer club and sulk

So what cancer club am I apparently affiliated with so I can sulk ??


The only affiliation i can see is probably Traffic Light & SAP SUPER COCK

11:14PM traffic light sticks up for his boyfriend and posts just before they bang and then sleep.
4:54am SAP SUPER COCK wakes up from a sore ass and posts while still getting spooned from traffic light

[cobra23]

Thanks for the wise words Cock Bra ! Not involved in any of the clubs just hear things hero.
Also Not bagging any club either so not sure where that’s coming from.

I did not say you were bagging a club I just stated you seem to be a shit stirrer and you would be the person that bags people while sitting in the background

[Bremsstrahlung]

This thread never fails to stoop.
:popcorn:

[KITZ]

This thread never fails to stoop.
:popcorn:

makes you wonder what their kids must be like if this how they behave for kids that are 9-12 years old.

Worst thing for SAP was moving it to clubs and making it a competition for the lowest common denominator.

[Goatscheese]

What is the current ruling of clubs offering spots already to current JDL players from different clubs?

Northern do say that clubs can't offer players registered at other clubs spots until the beginning of the trail period.

Plenty of clubs ignore this and Northern does nothing about it so it seems pointless in Northern putting that out.

[KITZ]

Yes there is generally a date set by northern on when clubs can hold trials and make offers. This date is after Jets trials as they want Jets to have first crack at players and then remaining kids trial for NPL.

Unsure if this will happen this year with recent changes to Jets academy with Kew across both and first year of clubs have control of sap and NPL.

Since Jets are in the Sydney comp I think all those rules went out the window and the jets can take them whenever they want as long as it's in the NSW Football registration window. Maybe that might change with Kew but it could just be a conflict of roles and with all the new Jets management that might all change again.

[Goatscheese]

Unsure if this will happen this year with recent changes to Jets academy with Kew across both and first year of clubs have control of sap and NPL.

Clubs have asked Jets when their trails will be so they know when they can hold theirs. Jets have said start of September but with their competition being pushed back that may not happen

[Arsenal222]

Northern do say that clubs can't offer players registered at other clubs spots until the beginning of the trail period.

Plenty of clubs ignore this and Northern does nothing about it so it seems pointless in Northern putting that out.

Unless you’re the Jaffas. Recruiting hard for a while now.

[Aegon]

Unless you’re the Jaffas. Recruiting hard for a while now.

:facepalm:

[Eastwest]

Unless you’re the Jaffas. Recruiting hard for a while now.

Listen to this snowflake. All clubs have been at it for a while. ffs retards

[Jim]

Clubs have asked Jets when their trails will be so they know when they can hold theirs. Jets have said start of September but with their competition being pushed back that may not happen

Shouldnt have to wait for Jets to sort themselves to start trials. Jets scouts should've scouted while players are their natural playing environment during the season.

Trials arent even that important now. Negs have been underway by nearly all clubs.

[Goatscheese]

Shouldnt have to wait for Jets to sort themselves to start trials. Jets scouts should've scouted while players are their natural playing environment during the season.

Trials arent even that important now. Negs have been underway by nearly all clubs.

Well they are if you haven't see the Jets TD at games then you're not looking hard enough.

But you wouldn't want to offer spots to kids at the end of the season to find they have then gone and accept Jets spots and now you're scrambling.

[Jim]

Well they are if you haven't see the Jets TD at games then you're not looking hard enough.

But you wouldn't want to offer spots to kids at the end of the season to find they have then gone and accept Jets spots and now you're scrambling.

Fair call.
I have seen the nnsw reps at games like never before. Whats going on there?

I know a TD who doesnt like losing players to nnsw. Wonder what will happen if nnsw wants some of those players? Parents choice?

[sapdad]

But you wouldn't want to offer spots to kids at the end of the season to find they have then gone and accept Jets spots and now you're scrambling.

One club alluded to picking their squad then including the one kid they think might go to the Jets. if he doesnt make the Jets they said he'll play 13's or 14's next year each week depending on whats best for the club and player.If that means some kids some weeks get a few less minutes then its outweighed by having a quality player in their team and helping the team perform better.

[SAPDADDY]

So what cancer club am I apparently affiliated with so I can sulk ??



The only affiliation i can see is probably Traffic Light & SAP SUPER COCK

11:14PM traffic light sticks up for his boyfriend and posts just before they bang and then sleep.
4:54am SAP SUPER COCK wakes up from a sore ass and posts while still getting spooned from traffic light


Woowwweeee. Do you have kids that play SAP?
I sure bloody hope you don’t

[Goatscheese]

Fair call.
I have seen the nnsw reps at games like never before. Whats going on there?

The TAs like Fox and Sterry have been hired for this very purpose, get out and scout players as well as get out and watch games and then go back to clubs and speak to them on where the clubs and coaches can improve on.


I know a TD who doesnt like losing players to nnsw. Wonder what will happen if nnsw wants some of those players? Parents choice?

I think I know who you are talking about, which is disgraceful but no doubt the TD will be talking to the player and parents about why it is a bad idea and shouldn't go and it does come down to the choice of the player and parent ultimately.

[samcan]

Woowwweeee. Do you have kids that play SAP?
I sure bloody hope you don’t

agree, just ignore him. He cant handle the truth. Youll find nearly everyone here will just talk footy etc.

Ive noticed that the team training at Speers Pt continues after the season has finished. Is this correct?

[Goatscheese]

agree, just ignore him. He cant handle the truth. Youll find nearly everyone here will just talk footy etc.

Ive noticed that the team training at Speers Pt continues after the season has finished. Is this correct?

There's quite a few JDL teams training at Speers Point

[Aegon]

There's quite a few JDL teams training at Speers Point

I think samcan is referring to the sessions run by NNSWF to view clubs training as a whole where they conduct review sessions with the coaches afterward.

[jim wallis]

Grandson who is handy is putting in eoi for jdl 11s trials soon. Which club has the good coaches and good culture?

[Aegon]

Grandson who is handy is putting in eoi for jdl 11s trials soon. Which club has the good coaches and good culture?

Tough questions.

Good coaches is a little tough. Even the best clubs have average coaches from time to time.
To maximise your grandsons chances the best bet is just to get him into the best club he can get into.

A caveat as this is just my opinion based on watching JDL over the last few years.

1st options:
Jaffa's, Olympic, Magic, Edgeworth
2nd options:
Charlestown, Maitland, Adamstown, New Lambton
3rd options:
Lake Macquarie, Valentine, Weston, Cooks Hill

If your grandson can't make any of the above teams then I'd try his closest local team from the rest:
Wallsend, South Cardiff, West Wallsend, Kahibah, Belswans.

[jim wallis]

1st options:
Jaffa's, Olympic, Magic, Edgeworth
2nd options:
Charlestown, Maitland, Adamstown, New Lambton
3rd options:
Lake Macquarie, Valentine, Weston, Cooks Hill

If your grandson can't make any of the above teams then I'd try his closest local team from the rest:
Wallsend, South Cardiff, West Wallsend, Kahibah, Belswans.

Thank you for the heads up. Im sure all the clubs are trying to do their best.

He'll have a go and see what happens. No real aspirations. Get on the park and go for it, have fun, make some new mates as well.

[Jim]

What happened to the 2021 Youth thread? locked?

[sapdad]

What happened to the 2021 Youth thread? locked?

It got a bit silly debating the eligibility of a player.None of it made sense to be honest.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Loads of BS, but last straw was probably the COVID misinformation that saw posts removed and the thread canned. I can’t remember any of the names that contributed to the shit talking to see if they’ve been banned.

[Aegon]

On a different note:

How are all the young ones coping with the season pause and likely cancellation?

This week we were supposed to be in Coffs Harbour for the gala day up there and my lad is very disappointed we are going to miss it.

He was also looking forward to the last round of the season which pitted 2 of the stronger teams in Under 11's against each other. Last time they played neither team could manage to score a goal in a very entertaining game.

[Goatscheese]

What happened to the 2021 Youth thread? locked?

There was some Magic people upset that an Olympic player got an exemption off NSW Health which Magic weren't happy about because it made it harder for Magic to beat Olympic.

Then someone named the player which is straight away a no no and resulted in the deletion and locking of the thread

[Jim]

There was some Magic people upset that an Olympic player got an exemption off NSW Health which Magic weren't happy about because it made it harder for Magic to beat Olympic.
Then someone named the player which is straight away a no no and resulted in the deletion and locking of the thread

oh. I thought someone got hurt or an email from Asio was sent. Although the offended crowd would probably get a solicitor onto things now.

Cant they just put it on the next boxing under-card and leave the forum discussions separate.

[Doopche]

I’ve watched a fair few games over the last few months and it looks like NNSW has pipped the better sides vs one another. But what I have noticed has happened is some clubs have taken winning to a new level. Some teams loading up squads whilst others never taking off their stronger players searching for that big win 🤦 All I can say is I am glad my sons coaches aren’t buying into it. Our weakest player plays the same minutes as our strongest player as it should be in SAP level. Leave the chest pumping for NPL when points come into it.

[Goatscheese]

I’ve watched a fair few games over the last few months and it looks like NNSW has pipped the better sides vs one another. But what I have noticed has happened is some clubs have taken winning to a new level. Some teams loading up squads whilst others never taking off their stronger players searching for that big win 🤦 All I can say is I am glad my sons coaches aren’t buying into it. Our weakest player plays the same minutes as our strongest player as it should be in SAP level. Leave the chest pumping for NPL when points come into it.

Some coaches and clubs need a reality check. Even leave the chest pumping for NPL seniors when people actually remember

[YewYew]

I’ve watched a fair few games over the last few months and it looks like NNSW has pipped the better sides vs one another. But what I have noticed has happened is some clubs have taken winning to a new level. Some teams loading up squads whilst others never taking off their stronger players searching for that big win 🤦 All I can say is I am glad my sons coaches aren’t buying into it. Our weakest player plays the same minutes as our strongest player as it should be in SAP level. Leave the chest pumping for NPL when points come into it.

It been that was since the start. Some coaches wanna win games for them ego more than the kids Same some coaches always playing kids in 1 position. Oh little Jimmy is a striker he can only play striker, at 9,10 yrs old. WTF. When do the other kids get to have a fair go at scoring. All kids shld play all positions in sap. Real Stupid when kids just got one place & do it all games

[Goatscheese]

Oh little Jimmy is a striker he can only play striker, at 9,10 yrs old.

Some parents are the same as well and may put pressure on coach. I've heard at least one story of a mother complaining to the coach and then the TD about their U9 son being put in the back line during games because "he is a striker and has always played as a striker". The kid is 8yo, anyone who believes that rubbish shouldn't be allowed to say anything

[THEBIGCHEESE]

Seems like we always land back on this same subject which is extremely subjective.

Pros for playing in one position. They become very good in one position.
Pros for playing in different positions. They become good in playing different positions.

I think it should be less Black and White and more grey. By grey I think with correct planning and good communication a coach can facilitate a player to play in areas of the pitch to improve the player rather than always playing different positions.

[djjones]

Some parents are the same as well and may put pressure on coach. I've heard at least one story of a mother complaining to the coach and then the TD about their U9 son being put in the back line during games because "he is a striker and has always played as a striker". The kid is 8yo, anyone who believes that rubbish shouldn't be allowed to say anything

Having seen most of the teams on a few occasions I havent seen kids stuck in one position. Maybe Kids playing more time in those positions.

Agree, all players need to experience different positions. By 12s you'll start to find favoured spots but it's never a final place.

[djjones]

Has the Jets 13s for next year been announced yet? pretty sure a few seem to already know

[Aegon]

Having seen most of the teams on a few occasions I havent seen kids stuck in one position. Maybe Kids playing more time in those positions.

Agree, all players need to experience different positions. By 12s you'll start to find favoured spots but it's never a final place.

Depends on the methods employed by coaches as well.
Some coaches shift kids around within the same match, others prefer to keep players consistent in a single match but shift the players around in different games.

[jessepinkman]

at SAP level?

Where there's not even actual positions in the context of 11 v 11, so the passages of play will be different to real football?

SAP = Skills Acquisition Phase, so they should be acquiring the skills necessary to be a good footballer. You need experience all over the pitch to do that. How many failed strikers or number 10s do we produce in this country who would have had a much, much better chance at turning pro if they had pursued life as a two-footed left fullback?

Even once theyre in an 11 v 11 environment eg all of youth football they should be gaining experience in 'complimentary' positions. Eg, CB/LB/RB spending some time in the 6 to assist with their distribution and to put a bit more pressure on them/give them less time on the ball. Or a winger/striker spending some time in a fullback role that is encouraged to get forward/create overloads etc.

Makes them a better player, and sometimes you find that their skillsets are better suited there as they get older and understand the game more.

By playing kids in the one spot their whole life, they get to senior football and can only do one thing, and if someone is better than them in their position, they have to switch clubs or get used to the bench.

So, I agree with you about putting a player in complementary areas, but you can do that in 14s-16s, when they are learning how the game works, tactics, positional roles etc. As little ones, playing all over the pitch gives them exposure to every single skill, and tbh as a youth coach, humbles them a little bit. Too many kids think they're a striker and a striker only, which isn't always something that you cant fix - its when the parent does too thats the killer.

[onlooker]

Has the Jets 13s for next year been announced yet? pretty sure a few seem to already know
Personally I hope not, having a daughter in the Jets 13’s this year and not knowing what’s going on next year. I would hope they would inform their current players of what is happening with them before announcing any new players.

[KITZ]

Personally I hope not, having a daughter in the Jets 13’s this year and not knowing what’s going on next year. I would hope they would inform their current players of what is happening with them before announcing any new players.

All supposed to be happening in September from what I've heard, but now the Sydney comp has been scrapped for the year today who knows what's going on.

[BS detecor]

Has the Jets 13s for next year been announced yet? pretty sure a few seem to already know

At this point, would you accept a position at the jets? 2 years pretty much wasted in Sydney and no guarantee next season will be any different. They might even be better off going back to their old theory of playing a year higher in the northern comp.
I’m sure it will pay off one day but there may be a whole bunch of footballers who sacrificed their development for the cause.

[Oldy]

At this point, would you accept a position at the jets? 2 years pretty much wasted in Sydney and no guarantee next season will be any different. They might even be better off going back to their old theory of playing a year higher in the northern comp.
I’m sure it will pay off one day but there may be a whole bunch of footballers who sacrificed their development for the cause.

Good question. Maybe yes as it is a superior comp but they need to maintain superior coaches and get better facilities.

There still isnt much benefit in high achievement by the end of Jets Youth. However if you stay in nlp youth here you are nl1 or zpl in the end

[Alan]

at SAP level?

Where there's not even actual positions in the context of 11 v 11, so the passages of play will be different to real football?

SAP = Skills Acquisition Phase, so they should be acquiring the skills necessary to be a good footballer. You need experience all over the pitch to do that. How many failed strikers or number 10s do we produce in this country who would have had a much, much better chance at turning pro if they had pursued life as a two-footed left fullback?

Even once theyre in an 11 v 11 environment eg all of youth football they should be gaining experience in 'complimentary' positions. Eg, CB/LB/RB spending some time in the 6 to assist with their distribution and to put a bit more pressure on them/give them less time on the ball. Or a winger/striker spending some time in a fullback role that is encouraged to get forward/create overloads etc.

Makes them a better player, and sometimes you find that their skillsets are better suited there as they get older and understand the game more.

By playing kids in the one spot their whole life, they get to senior football and can only do one thing, and if someone is better than them in their position, they have to switch clubs or get used to the bench.

So, I agree with you about putting a player in complementary areas, but you can do that in 14s-16s, when they are learning how the game works, tactics, positional roles etc. As little ones, playing all over the pitch gives them exposure to every single skill, and tbh as a youth coach, humbles them a little bit. Too many kids think they're a striker and a striker only, which isn't always something that you cant fix - its when the parent does too thats the killer.

This is exactly the way I see things Jesse. It makes me crazy hearing that children (and I mean children!) have a set soccer position. It is silly enough when it is said at 13 and 14 years old, but in JDL age groups it blows my mind.

If a parent/coach/player in JDL won't provide that variety then it will be very difficult for the child to reach their potential in older age groups.

The modern game in Europe thrives on pace, athleticism and adaptability. Please coaches - move your players around!! Please parents - let your child's coach do their thing!!

A

[Goatscheese]

Personally I hope not, having a daughter in the Jets 13’s this year and not knowing what’s going on next year. I would hope they would inform their current players of what is happening with them before announcing any new players.

Well wouldn't your daughter be in Jets 14s next year?

[onlooker]

Well wouldn't your daughter be in Jets 14s next year? that is correct and I know announcing a new intake of 13’s would have no effect on what happens to her next year, just wouldn’t mind seeing them giving some info to current players first that’s all.

[Oldy]

Thats why I asked about 13s specifically. If doesnt undermine any players already there.

That being said, it would be beneficial for Kew and Co to announce their future plans going ahead in 22 so all current players can make plans.

[Isthisforreal]

Thats why I asked about 13s specifically. If doesnt undermine any players already there.

That being said, it would be beneficial for Kew and Co to announce their future plans going ahead in 22 so all current players can make plans.

They’ve expand the 12s TSP squad for cycle two, surely that’s enough of an indication as to who they’ve got in mind for the Jets 13s

[traffic light]

They’ve expand the 12s TSP squad for cycle two, surely that’s enough of an indication as to who they’ve got in mind for the Jets 13s

Is there a names list for cycle 2?

[Isthisforreal]

Is there a names list for cycle 2?

I’m sure their parents know. Hearing magic got a number through

[JustMe]

Pros for playing in one position. They become very good in one position.
Pros for playing in different positions. They become good in playing different positions.

I think it should be less Black and White and more grey. By grey I think with correct planning and good communication a coach can facilitate a player to play in areas of the pitch to improve the player rather than always playing different positions.

For mine, they learn more by rotation so eventually theyll be even better in that one position plus able to to a job somewhere else on short notice.
More enjoyable too.

Seen some good kids stifled and undone by fixed positions particularly when stuck at the back.

[Aegon]

They’ve expand the 12s TSP squad for cycle two, surely that’s enough of an indication as to who they’ve got in mind for the Jets 13s

Cycle 2? What happens here, do they have a certain amount of spots and just replace a couple of kids between cycles?
Are the cycles school terms or just a defined time period?

Edit - Never mind, I looked it up and found the link:
https://northernnswfootball.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/TSP-Information-Guide-2021-FINAL.pdf

[JustMe]

This scenario i see too often from community up to JDL.

Tommy has good skill. Is good at forward, mids and backs. Ian is average skill, terribly costly at back, ok in mid and ok at front.

Tommy is put at back 75% of the time to sure up defence. Ian develops ok in mids and front and mostly avoid the backs.

So the weaker Ian gets rewarded with "better" positions and I feel more development or do you stick Ian at the back for large parts until he can learn defence?

Im going part B even if they lose most games.

[JustMe]

Cycle 2? What happens here, do they have a certain amount of spots and just replace a couple of kids between cycles?
Are the cycles school terms or just a defined time period?

Edit - Never mind, I looked it up and found the link:
https://northernnswfootball.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/TSP-Information-Guide-2021-FINAL.pdf

Cycle 2 might be thrown out now due to Covid. Surely theyd have the Jets squad just about picked by now.

[Aegon]

Cycle 2 might be thrown out now due to Covid. Surely theyd have the Jets squad just about picked by now.

Unfortunately I agree, I doubt anyone will be be back on the field any time soon.
I feel bad for the kids who have just been selected and may miss out on their first cycle, especially considering the numbers drop down to a max of 10 kids in under 13's.

[Goatscheese]

Edit - Never mind, I looked it up and found the link:
https://northernnswfootball.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/TSP-Information-Guide-2021-FINAL.pdf

I find this bit funny


The NNSWF TSP’s will comprise of the most talented players in each respective age group
within each region.
Invitations to attend NNSWF State Team ID/Selection camps will primarily (but not
exclusively) be made to players from the respective TSP hubs. These invitations will be
guided through consultation with Premier Club TD’s, Member Zone TD’s, TSP Coaches and
NNSWF Talent ID staff.
NNSWF State Teams are selected through input from NNSWF State Team coaching staff at
the following the NNSWF State Team ID/Selection program.

Plenty of players in the nationals teams and TSP that didn't attend either the selection camp or identification camp.

Not to say it is a bad thing but Northern shouldn't put this out if they aren't going to follow it.

[Goatscheese]

Cycle 2 might be thrown out now due to Covid. Surely theyd have the Jets squad just about picked by now.

I'm not even sure why they have it so late, there are meant to be 3 cycles of 10 weeks each. Cycle two was meant to start last week takes us through to middle of October. If they kick off Cycle 3 straight away last week will be finishing Friday 24th December.

They really should start TSP at the start of the season to get 30 weeks in

[Aegon]

I'm not even sure why they have it so late, there are meant to be 3 cycles of 10 weeks each. Cycle two was meant to start last week takes us through to middle of October. If they kick off Cycle 3 straight away last week will be finishing Friday 24th December.

They really should start TSP at the start of the season to get 30 weeks in

To be fair, they didn't have the staff or organization in place early enough this year. Let's see how they roll it out in 2022. Like you I would be hoping they kick it off by the start of the season.
Not sure about other age groups but I have definitely seen some Northern reps out this season watching games. Hopefully this means they are more prepared.

[jim wallis]

I'm not even sure why they have it so late, there are meant to be 3 cycles of 10 weeks each. Cycle two was meant to start last week takes us through to middle of October. If they kick off Cycle 3 straight away last week will be finishing Friday 24th December.

They really should start TSP at the start of the season to get 30 weeks in

Definitely. Needs to be wrapped up by end of Term 3. The first term can be those who were identified end of previous year.

[KITZ]

I find this bit funny

Plenty of players in the nationals teams and TSP that didn't attend either the selection camp or identification camp.

Not to say it is a bad thing but Northern shouldn't put this out if they aren't going to follow it.

Yep. then you watch them play and have no idea why they are in there because they certainly don't stand out.

You can't then explain why the kids who missed out and went through the camp or ask for feedback - Doesn't provide a positive experience for any player who is serious about their football; and reinforces that football isn't about hard work or turning up day in and day out, its about the politics and off-field crap about "who you know".

And then all the football organisations wonder why we aren't producing world class footballers anymore - Because hard work will always win over natural talent when you have it all handed to you like that.

[Goatscheese]

Yep. then you watch them play and have no idea why they are in there because they certainly don't stand out.

You can't then explain why the kids who missed out and went through the camp or ask for feedback - Doesn't provide a positive experience for any player who is serious about their football; and reinforces that football isn't about hard work or turning up day in and day out, its about the politics and off-field crap about "who you know".

And then all the football organisations wonder why we aren't producing world class footballers anymore - Because hard work will always win over natural talent when you have it all handed to you like that.

I'm not going to go in to if any TSP players that are/were in the program should be in there or not. I've heard stuff about almost every playing in the 13s, 14s and 15s and which ones shouldn't be there but then I can see how technically gifted they are even if they have bad games. Could be due to size, due to the environment they are in at club level, and no doubt some who you know stuff going on.

My comment is more how Northern tells everyone what the process will be but then ignores that process. Bit of a joke really.

[BS detecor]

Yep. then you watch them play and have no idea why they are in there because they certainly don't stand out.

You can't then explain why the kids who missed out and went through the camp or ask for feedback - Doesn't provide a positive experience for any player who is serious about their football; and reinforces that football isn't about hard work or turning up day in and day out, its about the politics and off-field crap about "who you know".

And then all the football organisations wonder why we aren't producing world class footballers anymore - Because hard work will always win over natural talent when you have it all handed to you like that.

I know kids who have worked their arse off for years to get the opportunities that eventually came their way and then had to put up with the behind their back whispers that they only made it because of “who they know”. Jealousy has always been there and always will, especially in an environment that is totally subject to one persons opinion over another

[Unhappygreek]

Heard about this page and thought I’d expose that fraud of a club that is Olympic. Cut my son and his mates to make way for a large group of magic kids just to keep their new TD happy that I heard was sacked from magic and ex magic coach also sacked. What happened to developing kids in this space? Seems like Olympic are more worried about winning in this space rather then developing kids. What a joke!

[Doopche]

Heard about this page and thought I’d expose that fraud of a club that is Olympic. Cut my son and his mates to make way for a large group of magic kids just to keep their new TD happy that I heard was sacked from magic and ex magic coach also sacked. What happened to developing kids in this space? Seems like Olympic are more worried about winning in this space rather then developing kids. What a joke!

Hahah standard Olympic. Heard few weeks ago they stacked a team so hard and had that many subs that the bench near broke. Father told me they still lost the game hahaha

Chin up mate you don’t want to be there anyway, I’m sure your kid will find a spot at a decent club.

[cobra23]

This thread gets better and better by the month ..
If I was you unhappy Greek I would change my name to happy Greek . Leaving that club might be a blessing

[cobra23]

Can I ask what age group this is ..
As surly you would not be silly enough to leave a club that’s one of the strongest in the SAP space .
Magic should expect a few Kids knocking on the door if there is spots available

[traffic light]

Heard about this page and thought I’d expose that fraud of a club that is Olympic. Cut my son and his mates to make way for a large group of magic kids just to keep their new TD happy that I heard was sacked from magic and ex magic coach also sacked. What happened to developing kids in this space? Seems like Olympic are more worried about winning in this space rather then developing kids. What a joke!

Sorry to hear. That is harsh but not surprising at this "level". If that happened to me I wouldnt want to be in a club that accepted the Tragic culture sliding on in anyway.

Try not to worry what colour shirt you wear. Many of the boys from most clubs know each other and respect each other. Find another club with a decent coach. Maybe take a mate with you.

[sapdad]

Heard about this page and thought I’d expose that fraud of a club that is Olympic. Cut my son and his mates to make way for a large group of magic kids just to keep their new TD happy that I heard was sacked from magic and ex magic coach also sacked. What happened to developing kids in this space? Seems like Olympic are more worried about winning in this space rather then developing kids. What a joke!

My son is just coming to the end of year 4 in the JDL program.Sadly these stories have been part and parcel of the process all the way along and have been across many clubs.While your example if obviously personal its not the only one, the whole time its been littered with stories of continual recruitment rather than being satisfied with what clubs had .Just remember if your son (hopefully) goes on to play at another club he will be taking the spot of someone who was there before too.There is no easy answer to this,all I can say is that between the time they start til the time they finish playing at these types of levels pretty much every kid will go through getting cut or be out of favour at a particular club or under a particular coach.All you can do is keep him happy to play,find a spot where he will grow and every time he plays against that coach/td then show them what they are missing.

[Unhappygreek]

It’s JDL

[Unhappygreek]

Thanks for your support 🙏 my son is pretty upset we have started looking around but it’s tough with covid not being able to trial ,the worst thing is we were all told by the club weeks ago that all players were being kept for next season.
Rumour has it the TD and this new coach are result driven !
Does anyone know why they were sacked from their last club ?

[Unhappygreek]

Yes good points but tough telling 11 year olds, especially when the club had told parents their kids were being kept. I’m not sure of how many kids exactly but iv spoken to at least 6 who were told they didn’t have a spot anymore some kids have been here since 5 years old.

[cobra23]

Geez , I hope Olympic finish top of the table if they want to upset and cut kids , especially taken kids from magic who are arch enemies…
Oh wait stupid me there is no points ..🤦

[sapdad]

Yes good points but tough telling 11 year olds, especially when the club had told parents their kids were being kept. I’m not sure of how many kids exactly but iv spoken to at least 6 who were told they didn’t have a spot anymore some kids have been here since 5 years old.

Yes this is the behavior that needs calling out.Cutting kids for whatever reason is one thing,lying to them while clubs look around for something better is unforgivable.If the kid isnt wanted let them know early so they can find a spot for next year.Sadly this has happened at a few different clubs over my sons time and ive seen a lot of kids stranded.These instances should see penalties from NNSW in the hope of preventing it,but that seems a pie in the sky wish.My sons mate didnt make his clubs 13 NPL squad for next year,so has been filling in expressions of interest.He asked his club about trilaing with other clubs for next year and his current club has prevented him from doing so because they may have a spot come up if other kids dont take up the offer.To me thats not a way to treat kids either.For a program that has so many positives there are far too many coaches/tds and vocal parents who dont have the first clue about how to treat people.Sadly,the majority of kids want to be on a winning team and people will turn a blind eye to this stuff if it gives parents a chance to brag.

[Unhappygreek]

It’s very upsetting at JDL level like you mentioned as it’s meant to be development for these kids no points

[sapdad]

It’s very upsetting at JDL level like you mentioned as it’s meant to be development for these kids no points

Totally agree,i know it sounds shit at the moment but there are plenty of great people involved in this program and want to do it the right way.Hope your next experience with it is much better than this one.My son changed clubs during his 4 year stint because of the environment he was in.We had no idea where to go but filled out expressions of interest and luckily found a place that has made him a better player and person.Best of luck to you and your son hope you find a good landing spot and thrive.

[Negative Police]

Does anyone know why they were sacked from their last club ?

Lets just say the toxic powers have had the last say. Been going on for a while.

[SAP SUPER COACH]

My brothers boy also has lost his spot in this same club but they have already moved on and I am sure will be happier in the long run.
these guys really have so little to offer the new club who "wants" them so badly that they have to bring players with them from wherever they crawled over from to try and make themselves justifiable! how long will they last at their new club. 1 season tops!! haha good luck guys:)

[finzee]

Geez , I hope Olympic finish top of the table if they want to upset and cut kids , especially taken kids from magic who are arch enemies…
Oh wait stupid me there is no points ..🤦

Big chance that they will be going hard now for the best 12s to get a good start for the 13s the next year.

[Aegon]

Thanks for your support 🙏 my son is pretty upset we have started looking around but it’s tough with covid not being able to trial ,the worst thing is we were all told by the club weeks ago that all players were being kept for next season.
Rumour has it the TD and this new coach are result driven !
Does anyone know why they were sacked from their last club ?

Completely inaccurate.

I’ve got nothing but respect for the coach leaving Magic. He’s been excellent in his demeanour and attitude towards kids from both teams.

I’ve never met the TD, but parents I know who had him as a TD at Newcastle SAP have only spoken positively about him. Not a big fan of confrontation apparently but excellent with the kids.

[Aegon]

Completely inaccurate.

I’ve got nothing but respect for the coach leaving Magic. He’s been excellent in his demeanour and attitude towards kids from both teams.

I’ve never met the TD, but parents I know who had him as a TD at Newcastle SAP have only spoken positively about him. Not a big fan of confrontation apparently but excellent with the kids.

Also, it’s worth mentioning that neither the TD or the coach were sacked.

Both left voluntarily.

[Aegon]

Geez , I hope Olympic finish top of the table if they want to upset and cut kids , especially taken kids from magic who are arch enemies…
Oh wait stupid me there is no points ..🤦

Are Olympic the only club who release kids?

My son is going into under 12’s next year with only 5 other kids he started under 9’s at the club with.

So lets not pretend this is not widespread.

[SAP SUPER COACH]

They didn’t leave voluntarily who you fooling !
But you sound very close to these two covering up for them.The TD is there as no one else would have him and because his son is there ,when he gets cut from seniors which would be his 4 th club in 4 years then the TD will be gone.

[cobra23]

I think your full of shit Aegon
I don’t give two flying f@cks on how good of a bloke this coach is at magic ..
But I’m talking about the 6 kids getting cut from a club who they are arch enemies with for what 1 season of no points ..
So you saying they are stacking there team for the 13s will back fire as half those kids will play 13s with the jets

[SAP SUPER COACH]

Agree with you cobra23 Definitely not a good bloke if taking 6 kids from his club to cut 6 kids from olympic my nephew being one that got cut he has been at the club since 5 years old 😡
It’s pathetic !

[Oldy]

Also, it’s worth mentioning that neither the TD or the coach were sacked.

Both left voluntarily.

Absolute BS. There was bad blood within JDL ranks. Karma for mine.

[Oldy]

Completely inaccurate.

I’ve got nothing but respect for the coach leaving Magic. He’s been excellent in his demeanour and attitude towards kids from both teams.

I’ve never met the TD, but parents I know who had him as a TD at Newcastle SAP have only spoken positively about him. Not a big fan of confrontation apparently but excellent with the kids.

Stop spreading sh*te. better still go there, sounds like you have a soft spot for these grubs.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Hypothetically, if this coaching appointment fell through and he went elsewhere or whatever and your kids/nephews/not your sons were offered their spots back would you stay?

[Unhappygreek]

Well the club told everyone weeks ago before this coach and TD were even announced that all players were being kept.So yes would of stayed as we didnÂ’t know anything different.

[Aegon]

Sigh…… Go on the attack rather than acknowledge what has gone wrong.

I’m judging one based on interactions over 3 years & the other based on information received from friends.

My son is at Jaffa’s and he has friends at both clubs involved.

Throwing stones at me is not going to change anything, but feel free to continue if it makes yourselves feel better.

[YewYew]

How do i get that guy eating popcorn image! This is good

I like best how the ppl who are all
magic on earlier pages now have nephews & girlfriends & uncles at hamilton who been given the boot. My brother’s kids babysitta Been there since b4 they was born 2 !!

Big 😆

Keep goin guys. It lockdown and this good a 😂

[Aegon]

How do i get that guy eating popcorn image! This is good

I like best how the ppl who are all
magic on earlier pages now have nephews & girlfriends & uncles at hamilton who been given the boot. My brother’s kids babysitta Been there since b4 they was born 2 !!

Big ��

Keep goin guys. It lockdown and this good a ��

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[JustHearThings]

As like Aegon I've never met the TD but from speaking to other parents who have had him couldn't speak more highly of him

In regards to him bring results driven over developing players i have to think this might be false in the fact he was a coach at the heat who we all know aren't results driven and a TD at Newcastle sap who again we're not a results driven program.

[SAP SUPER COACH]

Both of you sound like mates of the TD and coach. The whole point is that kids have been cut that were told weeks ago they were being retained.
“ Rumour has it New TD had no balls to contact kids, got this years JDL coordinate to do his dirty work”

[JustHearThings]

Never said what he did was right but apparently if anyone is to talk positively about him is instantly his mate and not because the things said are true.

[Aegon]

Never said what he did was right but apparently if anyone is to talk positively about him is instantly his mate and not because the things said are true.

Try not to let everyone know that we have a lockdown breaching get together this weekend to plot out even further undermining of the Magic JDL system.

:wink:

[JustHearThings]

Yeah I forgot about that.

If players are willing to follow him to another club maybe that speaks volumes about him? But then again I'm his best mate so can't be taken seriously.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Well the club told everyone weeks ago before this coach and TD were even announced that all players were being kept.So yes would of stayed as we didnÂ’t know anything different.

My question was, if the TD appointment fell through, and stayed at magic (from what I’ve read) and Olympic said hey mr unhappy Greek little Johnny has his spot back, sorry about all that, he can be a mighty Olympic warrior again and progress through to NPL youth team if Johnny is happy to.
Would you stay?

[cobra23]

Regardless, my opinion this shit should not be happening in a SAP space they are kids for **** sake , the poor buggers are getting dragged from pillar to post because the parents make the rules in this program . it should be about fun and development for that club and now half those kids will have to find new friends etc. as a 11 year old that's daunting especially when they have probably been at the club since 5 year old.

anyway back to the senior threads for me

[Yaa Yaa]

Completely inaccurate.

I’ve got nothing but respect for the coach leaving Magic. He’s been excellent in his demeanour and attitude towards kids from both teams.

I’ve never met the TD, but parents I know who had him as a TD at Newcastle SAP have only spoken positively about him. Not a big fan of confrontation apparently but excellent with the kids.

I love how this guy thinks he’s so informed about everything that goes on at other clubs when actually he has no idea.
Reading some of your comments and laughing to myself I had to reply to the thread. There’s a thing at most clubs you might have heard of and it’s called a committee, they are the ones that released the pair you guys are speaking of and also a parent and his child. How do I know this you might ask? I know a few committee members and people that were at the meeting.
Let’s just say you know when you are in a job and doing a crap job and your employer asks you to leave or they will sack you? Well same principle here. The TD left because he was told he wasn’t required for next season along with a coach and a player/ parent that the club was inundated with complaints about from other parents and also other clubs who put in complaints to NNSW.
Now you can spin it anyway you like but don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.
Now reading some of these comments it seems to me the reason the coach has stayed on to finish could be for his son or judging by the comments if true he stayed to poach the squad with his mate the TD.
I guess when you are a TD of a club and all the coaches dislike you then of course someone that’s not at the club like Aegon knows the truth. That was a joke by the way.
You seem to be very well informed at several clubs but you aren’t too informed about this one I’ll tell you that much.

[Aegon]

1746

[cobra23]

Now im confused :confused:
surly YEW YEW & YAA YAA are affiliated in some way...
feels like im watching me myself & irene , classic split personality :popcorn:

[YerMate]

What happened to the 2021 Youth thread? locked?

I’m guessing Olympic officials started getting worried that the club had been caught out breaching lockdown rules by playing a player with a false exemption letter. This club is an absolute joke. Need to be punished for it and the team associated to it. It’s a form of cheating.

[cobra23]

I seem to like YAA YAA (hank) better at the moment , he seems to know something interesting so please kiss and tell .

[Aegon]

7 kids have chosen to leave Magic from this years 11's group.

Of those 7 in 2022:
2 are going to Olympic 12's
1 is going to Jaffa's 12's
1 is going to Olympic 11's
1 is "probably" going to Olympic 12's
2 unknown.

Olympic in 2022
1 minimum will play 13's NPL (elsewhere)
1 going to another JDL 12's team
1 player staying in 11's
1-2 players released

For perspective
Jaffa's
1 was released
1 was offered to stay another year in 11's but has left to join Magic 12's in 2022
1 chose to leave
1 will play 13's NPL (elsewhere)

Edgeworth
6 have been asked to retrial


Players being released, leaving of their own accord, asked to retrial, quitting football, etc will happen at every club, every year.

The only thing that concerns me in any way is clubs or players confirming retention and undertaking a late u-turn. If this happens it makes it difficult to find a new club/player and results in bad feelings for everyone involved.