2022 National Premier League thread

[sapdad]

I never get why people say this

Its because its the rule.Thats why people say this.Once the retaliation happens the referee is forced to act.The degree to which he acts is arbitrary,but by initiating the contact the Maitland player forced the referee to act.Thats why people say this.

[sapdad]

Felt sorry for Crowley, he needed more support

I thought #2 was their best on ground today.Agreed Crowley is quality and tried to spark something but was well handled for the most part.

[KITZ]

I never understand why people say this.

Dude was a class A douche for running 20m to shove a nothing situation. There wasnt anything to fix.

A couple of Maitland started getting grubby as they were getting outplayed. Maggies needed to disrupt the game only way they know how.

You are the ahole not the Jafs today. And before you cry to the mods, this a just reply to your initial diarrhea.

If you think the Jaffas played any sort of decent football with an extra player on the park as well as 2 17 year olds on the other team, then you need to go to spec savers. Even more so when you consider the budget they spend every year. 😂. It took two tackles that caused players needing to leave the park injured in order for them to be in the game. Disappointing to see in a grand final game having to resort to tactics like that for everyone watching.

[terry]

"Jim'll Fix It" :wtf: :wanker:

Sorry for impinging on your forum.

Nah. You be the ah#le. Jog on loser. Get back to your aidsfest

[Sideline]

After being at LM yesterday and NO2 today I think the grandfinal arrangement and organisation from nnswf has been a shambles agree with earlier comments on here about getting them back to the clubs LM has to be the absolute worst spectating ground I have ever been to

[FairPlay2022]

Game was a massive let down to be honest. Completely ruined as a spectacle with the early red card. Thought Maitland actually did ok with 10 men but after the send off the match just had the feeling it would eventually go Jaffas way.

That venue though is an absolute disgrace. I got there 15mins early and still missed kick off with the huge line outside. Then another 15mins to stand in line and pay $7 for a warm beer.

Was very poor especially compared with the ZPL grand final at Darling street a few weeks back which was a great day out and extremely well organised.

[Blueboy]

Nah. You be the ah#le. Jog on loser. Get back to your aidsfest

Oh it’s Terry Tough Cu*t

[Local Rules]

What an idiot comment.
Jaffas should/could of had 5 or 6. Yeah They were held for large parts but Maitland had very little and didnt look likely.
Wonder how they finished top tbh.

Virgili had a crap game, lost 7/8 1v1s but did put in 2 nice crosses that shouldve been finished.

Should have could have but didn't and playing against 10 men. If I was paying that much I would want my money back. I am not a supporter of either but my point was if the refereeing was consistent from the start then the incident would not have occurred and spoiled the game as it did. Maitland had to defend and hope they could hold out and if you listen to BarTV, ex coaches Damien Smith and CT were applauding the tactics and agreed with how Maitland played.

Compared to Sydney United's display in the Australia Cup none of our teams would be able to compete.

[terry]

Oh it’s Terry Tough Cu*t

Blueb*tch sticking her nose in. Hows the aidsfest champ

[terry]

Should have could have but didn't and playing against 10 men. If I was paying that much I would want my money back. I am not a supporter of either but my point was if the refereeing was consistent from the start then the incident would not have occurred and spoiled the game as it did. Maitland had to defend and hope they could hold out and if you listen to BarTV, ex coaches Damien Smith and CT were applauding the tactics and agreed with how Maitland played.

Compared to Sydney United's display in the Australia Cup none of our teams would be able to compete.

All because of a brain snap by heroknob that ran 20m for what? If he doesnt do that, the melee doesnt happen. Jaffas get their yellows and the game is different.
Thinking that bartv has reputable judgment is a joke.

Maggies know how to spend the $$ as well so lets not play that loser card as well. Jaffas spent ok after all.

[BBscone]

All because of a brain snap by heroknob that ran 20m for what? If he doesnt do that, the melee doesnt happen. Jaffas get their yellows and the game is different.
Thinking that bartv has reputable judgment is a joke.

Maggies know how to spend the $$ as well so lets not play that loser card as well. Jaffas spent ok after all.It's miles away from Sydney NPL 1. Probably the low end of 2/high 3 (Jets Youth). Clubs are entitled to spend what they want/have. It doesn't make it easier to watch. I am intrigued by the comments from SAPDAD around Jaffas having no soul. More than once that this is raised this year.

[early_to_the_match]

I never understand why people say this.

Dude was a class A douche for running 20m to shove a nothing situation. There wasnt anything to fix.

A couple of Maitland started getting grubby as they were getting outplayed. Maggies needed to disrupt the game only way they know how.

You are the ahole not the Jafs today. And before you cry to the mods, this a just reply to your initial diarrhea.
Did you even watch the game???

[early_to_the_match]

Its because its the rule.Thats why people say this.Once the retaliation happens the referee is forced to act.The degree to which he acts is arbitrary,but by initiating the contact the Maitland player forced the referee to act.Thats why people say this.
Look again.

[early_to_the_match]

Maggies supporters not enjoying their post GF bag of d*cks and their usual refs cry.

Not to worry, your team were no-where today and some couldnt hack their way out either.

Felt sorry for Crowley, he needed more support
Particularly from the refs.

[early_to_the_match]

Nah. You be the ah#le. Jog on loser. Get back to your aidsfest
A comment worthy of Pappas.

[Lord Elland]

Have you seen them sing the team song not much passion in it. But to be fair jaffas have a terrible team song

[magician]

Have you seen them sing the team song not much passion in it. But to be fair jaffas have a terrible team song

Maybe Jaffas should of used part of their wage bill to pay for some supporters

[immersion]

After watching the replay of the 21min tackles by Pappas and what Zach did after the tackles, I think Zach has to be sent off, unfortunately.

Though Pappas had more reason to be sent off. His first tackle, I don't think, gets the ball. I think he gets the attacker's legs which then hits the ball. It is hard to tell. But you don't get to go through a player to get to the ball. The attacker has the ball on his side further away from the attacker. He lunges in and may or may not have got the ball. Either way, I think it is clear foul and yellow.

The second tackle is terrible. It's a straight red 11 out of 10 times. I have no idea what the referee was thinking. The kid was injured from the tackle. Pappas flies in from roughly 1.5 meters away and misses the ball connecting with the players with extreme malice just on or slightly above the ankle. An easy red card. Pappas could have broken his ankle or caused significant damage to the joint.

Zach can't do what he did even though there wasn't much in it.

For me, it's two send off's.

First tackle:

Image link: https://gyazo.com/fa0bd296566d5ff74eef0b02718dd88e

Second Tackle:

1. image link: https://gyazo.com/7e8f68a0fc35e7bf0d850c20904a5076

2. image link:https://gyazo.com/93ec90ca912dcccbaabd3d165d782f6d

[anfield]

Papas tackle was clearly a Red Card tackle. Good player, but he had to go.
Thomas actions were worthy of a yellow, sure he run in but there wasn't anything really classed as violent in it. He was merely trying to stick up for his team mate which most players have done before.

Game changed as a contest, Maitland should feel disappointed with the decision. Grand Finals don't come around often.

[sapdad]

Look again.

Look again at what?Look again at the player committing serious foul play/violent conduct,both of which were punishable by a red card.Look again at the referee being forced to act because of the actions of the player?Or look again at people on here who clearly dont know the laws of the game?What am I looking at again?For the record I would have pulled up the first tackle in the sequence.Once it went on though I thought the 2nd tackle and violent conduct were both red card offences.Overall the referee had a poor few minutes there in my opinion.

[The Hacker]

Have you seen them sing the team song not much passion in it. But to be fair jaffas have a terrible team song

It’s not the 90’s or 00’s when blokes played at a club cause they loved the club or grew up in the area. Now days the only passion in any club is from the committee who are there cause they love the club. You would be lucky to find a handful of players in ANY club that are there cause they love the club most are there for the $$

[Zonal Marking]

Watched the game on BarTV and the Jaffas player should have been sent off. It wasn’t a great tackle at all. In saying that very silly of the Maitland guy to run in how he did. You need to keep your head in check especially in these big games and he gave the officials an excuse to send him off.

Interesting post game the Jaffas captain was interviewed and to see he has won 7/7 grand finals. That is some record to be fair. On the other end of the spectrum though the Maitland coach said he has lost all 6 he’s been involved in. It can be such a cruel game at times.

[immersion]

Watched the game on BarTV and the Jaffas player should have been sent off. It wasn’t a great tackle at all. In saying that very silly of the Maitland guy to run in how he did. You need to keep your head in check especially in these big games and he gave the officials an excuse to send him off.

Interesting post game the Jaffas captain was interviewed and to see he has won 7/7 grand finals. That is some record to be fair. On the other end of the spectrum though the Maitland coach said he has lost all 6 he’s been involved in. It can be such a cruel game at times.

Both players should have been sent off. There isn't an argument that could be said that would change my mind.

That's a crazy record for both. I feel for Bolchy apparently he has had it pretty tough recently. Would have been nice for him to finally win one.

[Zonal Marking]

Both players should have been sent off. There isn't an argument that could be said that would change my mind.

That's a crazy record for both. I feel for Bolchy apparently he has had it pretty tough recently. Would have been nice for him to finally win one.

He’s obviously a very good coach. Maitland lost a lot of senior players this year yet still made it to the final day with a new look younger team. Just hasn’t had any luck with his teams getting over the line in these big games though. I hope he’s not a Parramatta supporter would have been a perfect ending to the day.

[sapdad]

I am intrigued by the comments from SAPDAD around Jaffas having no soul.

In hindsight 'souless' might sound a bit worse than I was intending but it just goes back to my days playing and no one really being a proud former 'Jaffa'.People played there,then they left and that was the end of the relationship.I always used to contrast it with the way ethnic based clubs and clubs with the advantage of location had a way bigger sense of loyalty and community around them.You see old boys days at so many other clubs and it always seems their turnouts are way bigger and way more passionate.Since my eldest has gone through the JDL program and now into NPL youth that club has always been in the middle of some of the more baffling behaviour id seen along the way.They just have a way of doing things that is successful right now but long term it never seems like people have the same affection for the club and continue to stay involved once they leave.It must also be noted that this approach works.They will most likely win 13s this year and they will be better next year because they have already poached good players from rival clubs.If winning is everything its hard to fault the approach,but especially with local football Ive always seen a bit more to it.Add in the lack of womens football and even any ZPL adjacent representation and it always seems a pretty one dimensional club.It should also be noted that there are lots of people who volunteer and work for the club who put in just as much effort every week and this is no knock on them.Again,its my opinion and I dont hate the place but just thought I'd answer your question.

[sapdad]

And before anyone asks,no my son never played there or trialed there.

[early_to_the_match]

After watching the replay of the 21min tackles by Pappas and what Zach did after the tackles, I think Zach has to be sent off, unfortunately.

Though Pappas had more reason to be sent off. His first tackle, I don't think, gets the ball. I think he gets the attacker's legs which then hits the ball. It is hard to tell. But you don't get to go through a player to get to the ball. The attacker has the ball on his side further away from the attacker. He lunges in and may or may not have got the ball. Either way, I think it is clear foul and yellow.

The second tackle is terrible. It's a straight red 11 out of 10 times. I have no idea what the referee was thinking. The kid was injured from the tackle. Pappas flies in from roughly 1.5 meters away and misses the ball connecting with the players with extreme malice just on or slightly above the ankle. An easy red card. Pappas could have broken his ankle or caused significant damage to the joint.

Zach can't do what he did even though there wasn't much in it.

For me, it's two send off's.

First tackle:

Image link: https://gyazo.com/fa0bd296566d5ff74eef0b02718dd88e

Second Tackle:

1. image link: https://gyazo.com/7e8f68a0fc35e7bf0d850c20904a5076

2. image link:https://gyazo.com/93ec90ca912dcccbaabd3d165d782f6d
Can you get a good still of Zach touching Pappas. I'd be surprised if there was any contact at all. Just a dive.

[early_to_the_match]

Look again at what?Look again at the player committing serious foul play/violent conduct,both of which were punishable by a red card.Look again at the referee being forced to act because of the actions of the player?Or look again at people on here who clearly dont know the laws of the game?What am I looking at again?For the record I would have pulled up the first tackle in the sequence.Once it went on though I thought the 2nd tackle and violent conduct were both red card offences.Overall the referee had a poor few minutes there in my opinion.
Glad to hear what you would have done. That would really bring back diving as an art form.

[terry]

Can you get a good still of Zach touching Pappas. I'd be surprised if there was any contact at all. Just a dive.

Thats the whole idiocy of the red.
The intent of running 20m to set off the melee made old boofhead look like a tard and basically wrecked the game. It was amazing how Pappas threw himself down at that very moment. Yep, simulation taking advantage of a goose. Maybe a red each couldve saved the game.

[immersion]

Can you get a good still of Zach touching Pappas. I'd be surprised if there was any contact at all. Just a dive.

Image link: https://gyazo.com/97aa24f74c9679cfb14da53f7c6da645

This image shows a bunch of hands. You can see Zach's and his hand on Pappas's chest.

There is not much in it. But the refs can't process what happened with a high degree of accuracy in real-time. Zach runs in with intent. Places not much of hand on Pappas. Pappas goes down and almost loses his shirt, which makes it looks worse than it is.

Honestly, I can see how the refs came to sending Zach off. Albeit not much in it, the evidence would have looked to the ref that it was worse than it is.

But who knows how Pappas stays on the park? Just an awful decision. The tackle was disgusting.

[terry]

And before anyone asks,no my son never played there or trialed there.

So how do you really know. Plenty of lads have been cut from "big clubs" and continue to hate them. Not just jaffs.
Geez did you know about the Weston Maitland feud?

IMO, Jaffs are a young club at this level, very central and somewhat transient on that account. Weston, Maitland, Tronno, Valo, edgy have village comradery and the ethnics based clubs keep those cultural connections. You could say Jaffs are still finding their "soul" or internal connection.
I think RH will have to leave for that to happen

[early_to_the_match]

Image link: https://gyazo.com/97aa24f74c9679cfb14da53f7c6da645

This image shows a bunch of hands. You can see Zach's and his hand on Pappas's chest.

There is not much in it. But the refs can't process what happened with a high degree of accuracy in real-time. Zach runs in with intent. Places not much of hand on Pappas. Pappas goes down and almost loses his shirt, which makes it looks worse than it is.

Honestly, I can see how the refs came to sending Zach off. Albeit not much in it, the evidence would have looked to the ref that it was worse than it is.

But who knows how Pappas stays on the park? Just an awful decision. The tackle was disgusting.
Cheers. Would love to see a few more frames.
I remember recently a young player making a bad tackle and while he was on the ground an old hard nut ran in and picked him up by the shirt and slammed him into the ground several times. Ref only gave yellow card because he said it wasn't actually a punch. Where is the consistency on retaliation and should diving be rewarded.

[sapdad]

Weston, Maitland, Tronno, Valo, edgy have village comradery and the ethnics based clubs keep those cultural connections. You could say Jaffs are still finding their "soul" or internal connection.
I think RH will have to leave for that to happen

Yes this is what I was getting.I dont know many people that 'hate' Jaffas, in the same way i dont know many that 'love' them.Thats why I think they kind of get lost in the mix of it all.I wasnt meaning anything nasty about it and actually think your term of finding their soul is better than mine of souless (but I think we mean a similar thing).

[immersion]

Cheers. Would love to see a few more frames.
I remember recently a young player making a bad tackle and while he was on the ground an old hard nut ran in and picked him up by the shirt and slammed him into the ground several times. Ref only gave yellow card because he said it wasn't actually a punch. Where is the consistency on retaliation and should diving be rewarded.

This is the problem with the referees that many have spoken on this forum. The inconsistency is awful.

Diving shouldn't be rewarded. Though in the Pappas and Zach situation I dont see how the ref could have made any other decision regarding Zach. It would have happened so quickly. There were already a few players involved making it more difficult. I can see how the referee sent him off.

I just can't see how he doesn't send Pappas off. both his tackles in that 10 second period are yellows at the minimum. The second is a straight red and a 3 week suspension IMO. I'd give him and extra week for dangerous nature of the tackle.

[BBscone]

In hindsight 'souless' might sound a bit worse than I was intending but it just goes back to my days playing and no one really being a proud former 'Jaffa'.People played there,then they left and that was the end of the relationship.I always used to contrast it with the way ethnic based clubs and clubs with the advantage of location had a way bigger sense of loyalty and community around them.You see old boys days at so many other clubs and it always seems their turnouts are way bigger and way more passionate.Since my eldest has gone through the JDL program and now into NPL youth that club has always been in the middle of some of the more baffling behaviour id seen along the way.They just have a way of doing things that is successful right now but long term it never seems like people have the same affection for the club and continue to stay involved once they leave.It must also be noted that this approach works.They will most likely win 13s this year and they will be better next year because they have already poached good players from rival clubs.If winning is everything its hard to fault the approach,but especially with local football Ive always seen a bit more to it.Add in the lack of womens football and even any ZPL adjacent representation and it always seems a pretty one dimensional club.It should also be noted that there are lots of people who volunteer and work for the club who put in just as much effort every week and this is no knock on them.Again,its my opinion and I dont hate the place but just thought I'd answer your question.Maybe it's because their ground is in New Lambton. They "drink" at a New Lambton pub. Even Lambton doesn't want to own them.....maybe it started when they ditched the brown shorts? Maybe it's the cash they spend that people resent? Anyway it makes for a good rivalry next year and football needs more hatred, more derbies, more controversy.

[Alton]

One of the worst performances by a ref in a GF that I remember, it would’ve been completely different if he got it right and sent Papas off, that was an easy decision.

[Eastwest]

One of the worst performances by a ref in a GF that I remember, it would’ve been completely different if he got it right and sent Papas off, that was an easy decision.

1797

[BS detecor]

One of the worst performances by a ref in a GF that I remember, it would’ve been completely different if he got it right and sent Papas off, that was an easy decision.

100% straight red all day

[early_to_the_match]

I'm glad to see Zac's red card wiped.

[Hurricane]

I'm glad to see Zac's red card wiped.
Where did you hear this ettm

[The Hacker]

Where did you hear this ettm

In the Herald

[Reds Forever]

Where did you hear this ettm

Newcastle Herald. Review done and red card wiped.

[Zonal Marking]

Just read the article herald. So let me get this straight. This Pappas fella has injured two Maitland players leaving them with ligament damage and facing 12 & 6 weeks recovery time respectively and then gotten a third player incorrectly and unfairly sent off and all this in the biggest game of the season. Even more impressively has achieved all this within the timeframe of 30 seconds. The guy should audition to be the next Bond Villain.

[magician]

Just read the article herald. So let me get this straight. This Pappas fella has injured two Maitland players leaving them with ligament damage and facing 12 & 6 weeks recovery time respectively and then gotten a third player incorrectly and unfairly sent off and all this in the biggest game of the season. Even more impressively has achieved all this within the timeframe of 30 seconds. The guy should audition to be the next Bond Villain.

Hopefully all 4 officials are held accountable.
Maybe they need to make the game about the players and not about themselves
Hand in your license and never ref again

[Bremsstrahlung]

Would be interesting if every time a player had a bad game, they never played again….

Or you could use the footage and situation as education to improve.

[magician]

Would be interesting if every time a player had a bad game, they never played again….

Or you could use the footage and situation as education to improve.

They get dropped. What do match officials get? They ref the same comp again

[Bremsstrahlung]

They get dropped. What do match officials get? They ref the same comp again

I was responding to the “hand in your license and never ref again” comment. Simply Applied the same logic to a player who had a bad game.

And I also don’t exactly agree that a good coach drops a player for having a bad game. I’d like to think they coach the player in the first instance and point out what can be improved and worked on. If it’s something that is ongoing and need long term development, sure drop them.

Similarly, instead of “hey ref, you made a bad decision there. Leave your uniform at the door, you’re done”. Perhaps, maybe, you could try to educate and develop the decision making. Not sure the refereeing ranks have the numbers to drop refs due to a poor game.
We don’t know, but I’m assuming the ref in question, has performed reasonably well throughout their career, and recent season and thus was awarded the GF (judged by referee assessor’s who know the rules and interpretations).


Anyway. I’m not defending the decisions or what went on in the game. Just passing by and thought it was a bit overzealous to say the ref should never ref again.

[Stanley]

I was responding to the “hand in your license and never ref again” comment. Simply Applied the same logic to a player who had a bad game.

And I also don’t exactly agree that a good coach drops a player for having a bad game. I’d like to think they coach the player in the first instance and point out what can be improved and worked on. If it’s something that is ongoing and need long term development, sure drop them.

Similarly, instead of “hey ref, you made a bad decision there. Leave your uniform at the door, you’re done”. Perhaps, maybe, you could try to educate and develop the decision making. Not sure the refereeing ranks have the numbers to drop refs due to a poor game.
We don’t know, but I’m assuming the ref in question, has performed reasonably well throughout their career, and recent season and thus was awarded the GF (judged by referee assessor’s who know the rules and interpretations).


Anyway. I’m not defending the decisions or what went on in the game. Just passing by and thought it was a bit overzealous to say the ref should never ref again.

Agree, referees all over the world get decisions wrong. As a whole refereeing this season in NPL has been poor, better refs going around in ZPL

[magician]

I was responding to the “hand in your license and never ref again” comment. Simply Applied the same logic to a player who had a bad game.

And I also don’t exactly agree that a good coach drops a player for having a bad game. I’d like to think they coach the player in the first instance and point out what can be improved and worked on. If it’s something that is ongoing and need long term development, sure drop them.

Similarly, instead of “hey ref, you made a bad decision there. Leave your uniform at the door, you’re done”. Perhaps, maybe, you could try to educate and develop the decision making. Not sure the refereeing ranks have the numbers to drop refs due to a poor game.
We don’t know, but I’m assuming the ref in question, has performed reasonably well throughout their career, and recent season and thus was awarded the GF (judged by referee assessor’s who know the rules and interpretations).


Anyway. I’m not defending the decisions or what went on in the game. Just passing by and thought it was a bit overzealous to say the ref should never ref again.

Your acting like this is a one off.
They get chance after chance and there is no improvement

[spamg172]

Problem is they're not all going to be like Diggers and keep ref'ing until their 40s (I'm assuming. Apologies if I've done you dirty Diggers). In 10yrs they'll all be better referees, but cop it now, so will probably give it away shortly.
Where's Cleal? He was one of the better ones in my opinion, but has he already moved on?

[early_to_the_match]

I was very critical of the decision from the start, but accept refs can get it wrong. If they can learn from this - great. Hopefully the big lesson is to not presume someone has been hit just because they fell to the ground. And if they allow players to run in to complain about a decision, then why wouldn’t someone run in to complain to an opponent.

[Goatscheese]

Hopefully the big lesson is to not presume someone has been hit just because they fell to the ground.

You see reds get given at a professional level for this, and while it is all very well to watch the video and rewind and watch it again, the refs don't get this opportunity to do it before making a decision. Had the player not run half a field then there probably wouldn't have been a red card.

[Zonal Marking]

You see reds get given at a professional level for this, and while it is all very well to watch the video and rewind and watch it again, the refs don't get this opportunity to do it before making a decision. Had the player not run half a field then there probably wouldn't have been a red card.

Had the ref called up the first tackle which was one of the most obvious fouls you will see all season then the ensuing melee never happens and the player never runs half the field to get involved.

[Goatscheese]

Had the ref called up the first tackle which was one of the most obvious fouls you will see all season then the ensuing melee never happens and the player never runs half the field to get involved.

The only person to blame for running half a field to get involved is the player

[early_to_the_match]

The only person to blame for running half a field to get involved is the player
Not according to the judiciary. And certainly the distance and the world record speed is growing with the telling. Players from both sides came in, but that does not mean an offence was committed. Only obvious offence was the tackle, and only obvious error was the red card as confirmed by the judiciary.

[Goatscheese]

Not according to the judiciary. And certainly the distance and the world record speed is growing with the telling. Players from both sides came in, but that does not mean an offence was committed. Only obvious offence was the tackle, and only obvious error was the red card as confirmed by the judiciary.

The distance hasn't changed. The only one that ran in and raised his hand was the player. That's why the Jaffas player fell down because he knew to milk it to draw the red card. Had he not run half a field to join in (and certainly had he not raised his hand) then it wouldn't have happened, that's on the player for getting involved, no one else.

The judiciary had the benefit of watching a video and from a different angle a benefit the ref doesn't have. Perhaps we need a NPL bunker where play can be stopped and footage can be replayed so a decision can be made.

[early_to_the_match]

The distance hasn't changed. The only one that ran in and raised his hand was the player. That's why the Jaffas player fell down because he knew to milk it to draw the red card. Had he not run half a field to join in (and certainly had he not raised his hand) then it wouldn't have happened, that's on the player for getting involved, no one else.

The judiciary had the benefit of watching a video and from a different angle a benefit the ref doesn't have. Perhaps we need a NPL bunker where play can be stopped and footage can be replayed so a decision can be made.
But your "half the field" is both wrong and irrelevant.

[Zonal Marking]

The only person to blame for running half a field to get involved is the player

Yeah you’re fighting a losing battle here as usual. I’m not saying the player who ran in is entirely innocent however the officials have a duty of care to do their utmost to ensure player well being and safety. As I pointed out the first tackle was possibly even worse than the second one and how the referee and linesman on that side of the field both missed it is baffling.

[terry]

The only person to blame for running half a field to get involved is the player

This is correct. Let the ref unload on Pappas. He may have received his own red.

[terry]

But your "half the field" is both wrong and irrelevant.

Its actually pretty close. Ultimately. Maitland was out foxed and thus outplayed.

If it was the other way round Maggies supporters would be loving this. Instead they have losers medals. Enjoy.

[2285]

Its actually pretty close. Ultimately. Maitland was out foxed and thus outplayed.

If it was the other way round Maggies supporters would be loving this. Instead they have losers medals. Enjoy.

Out bashed perhaps.

[magician]

Its actually pretty close. Ultimately. Maitland was out foxed and thus outplayed.

If it was the other way round Maggies supporters would be loving this. Instead they have losers medals. Enjoy.

Look its tough guy again: surprised your not bagging out the womens game.

[terry]

Look its tough guy again: surprised your not bagging out the womens game.

lolol. These wannabes pretending the gals are playing football. Dont get me wrong I love everyone playing any game but being elite is the biggest patronising Joke i have ever seen in sport. Remember when the not very good Jets 15s creamed the Matildas? Well nothing has changed.
Keep up the pretense and chest beating.

BTW when did Maitland lads last win the NNSW comp? Waits for jealous w*nkers to spout more BS. gogogo

[Hurricane]

lolol. These wannabes pretending the gals are playing football. Dont get me wrong I love everyone playing any game but being elite is the biggest patronising Joke i have ever seen in sport. Remember when the not very good Jets 15s creamed the Matildas? Well nothing has changed.
Keep up the pretense and chest beating.

BTW when did Maitland lads last win the NNSW comp? Waits for jealous w*nkers to spout more BS. gogogo
Maitland won the comp in 2022
Jaffas won the grand final, not the comp

[Hurricane]

I don't think Maitland have ever won the grand final

[JustMe]

I don't think Maitland have ever won the grand final
Premiers yes but never champions to my knowledge.
That is a crazy stat.

[Lofty]

Agree, referees all over the world get decisions wrong. As a whole refereeing this season in NPL has been poor, better refs going around in ZPL

ZPL were privileged to have an NPL ref for the GF and he let go a worse tackle than what Papas did.

[Stanley]

I'm glad to see Zac's red card wiped.

This is why the refereeing standard is so poor, irrespective of what happened before, when is receiving a red card for running 30/40m to lay a hand on an opposing player a clear and obvious error. The match officials on the review panel that revoked the red card are just as bad. And by the way, when is Pappas,s tackle not a red card. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the standard of refereeing is poor across the whole competition.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Refereeing is subjective. There’s very few objective decisions and it’s mostly interpretation of incidents.
If you and 9 mates sat down and watched any game, I bet there will be some people who think there’s a foul, if it’s a yellow, if it’s a red or play on.
Referees aren’t robots. The elite referees make decisions that are questioned and many think are incorrect. Watch an EPL game, World Cup game, a league game, there’s a few decisions each and every game that as a spectator you think “pffft wtf are they watching”.

Having had the luxury of sitting on a lounge, multiple replays in slow motion, trying to zoom in and watch the 30 seconds prior to the incident, sure maybe there’s a few things that another referee could have done. But also, I don’t think any decisions could be chalked off as obvious error. Depending upon the charge reports Eg if the report says there was a punch and replays show no punch. (Just an example).

The first tackle from Pappas, could be called, but also, from the angle of the referee and the way the ball comes out, Pappas also does a good job of implying it was a clean tackle with his spray post tackle. I can see how it wasn’t given. Wouldn’t Have a problem if it was.
Maitland then have a crack at a tackle, that could be deemed a foul or play on.
Then the Pappas tackle. Referee recognises that it was a foul, calls it’s immediately, runs to the scene, issues the yellow card and most people acknowledge the situation is under control.
After all this, the Maitland player arrives and pushes the player who ends up on the ground (I’m still unsure whether it was milked or if he just got pushed unexpected and off balance as he’s midstep), regardless player ends up on ground and a melee ensues. The push aggravates the situation.
The referees all ponder the incident, they take their time, they discuss what they saw in the moment ( without luxury of replays or a good camera angle). And they make a decision.
The Bar TV commentary team ponder whether a red card will be given or not. The fact they even bring up whether it’s a red card or not, especially before the replay is shown, kind of justifies why it was being considered by the referee, who again, has no replays.

There’s lots of calls in this period that individually could have gone a number of ways. If he gives a red for the Pappas challenge, I think we are here having the same debate about whether that’s a red card. Some will be saying it is, some will be saying it’s not. Differences in opinion.


The respect we have for our officials in football is terrible. Stems from EPL and elite leagues down. It’s a culture and code issue. I don’t think there’s another code that gets away with giving the officials so much crap for decisions.

[FairPlay2022]

Refereeing is subjective. There’s very few objective decisions and it’s mostly interpretation of incidents.
If you and 9 mates sat down and watched any game, I bet there will be some people who think there’s a foul, if it’s a yellow, if it’s a red or play on.
Referees aren’t robots. The elite referees make decisions that are questioned and many think are incorrect. Watch an EPL game, World Cup game, a league game, there’s a few decisions each and every game that as a spectator you think “pffft wtf are they watching”.

Having had the luxury of sitting on a lounge, multiple replays in slow motion, trying to zoom in and watch the 30 seconds prior to the incident, sure maybe there’s a few things that another referee could have done. But also, I don’t think any decisions could be chalked off as obvious error. Depending upon the charge reports Eg if the report says there was a punch and replays show no punch. (Just an example).

The first tackle from Pappas, could be called, but also, from the angle of the referee and the way the ball comes out, Pappas also does a good job of implying it was a clean tackle with his spray post tackle. I can see how it wasn’t given. Wouldn’t Have a problem if it was.
Maitland then have a crack at a tackle, that could be deemed a foul or play on.
Then the Pappas tackle. Referee recognises that it was a foul, calls it’s immediately, runs to the scene, issues the yellow card and most people acknowledge the situation is under control.
After all this, the Maitland player arrives and pushes the player who ends up on the ground (I’m still unsure whether it was milked or if he just got pushed unexpected and off balance as he’s midstep), regardless player ends up on ground and a melee ensues. The push aggravates the situation.
The referees all ponder the incident, they take their time, they discuss what they saw in the moment ( without luxury of replays or a good camera angle). And they make a decision.
The Bar TV commentary team ponder whether a red card will be given or not. The fact they even bring up whether it’s a red card or not, especially before the replay is shown, kind of justifies why it was being considered by the referee, who again, has no replays.

There’s lots of calls in this period that individually could have gone a number of ways. If he gives a red for the Pappas challenge, I think we are here having the same debate about whether that’s a red card. Some will be saying it is, some will be saying it’s not. Differences in opinion.


The respect we have for our officials in football is terrible. Stems from EPL and elite leagues down. It’s a culture and code issue. I don’t think there’s another code that gets away with giving the officials so much crap for decisions.

What about the angle of the senior lineman who was also right there? I was 80m watching with a few mates all neutral supporters and were all were amazed it was let go. As someone said earlier if that very clear and obvious foul gets correctly picked up then you don’t get any of the nonsense that happened after it.

[Bremsstrahlung]

What about the angle of the senior lineman who was also right there? I was 80m watching with a few mates all neutral supporters and were all were amazed it was let go. As someone said earlier if that very clear and obvious foul gets correctly picked up then you don’t get any of the nonsense that happened after it.

The last foul gets pulled up and the nonsense still ensues.

Also, being 80m away doesn’t really help your case that you could see something more clearly than 2 officials that were closer.

[immersion]

What about the angle of the senior lineman who was also right there? I was 80m watching with a few mates all neutral supporters and were all were amazed it was let go. As someone said earlier if that very clear and obvious foul gets correctly picked up then you don’t get any of the nonsense that happened after it.

The tackle on Kale before the first Pappas tackle I think is a foul too. So both of Pappas's tackles don't exist if that's a foul.

[FairPlay2022]

The last foul gets pulled up and the nonsense still ensues.

Also, being 80m away doesn’t really help your case that you could see something more clearly than 2 officials that were closer.

Think you’ve missed my point completely. If the original foul gets called up I doubt everyone comes running in at all. Because several fouls weren’t given in a row emotions boiled over and that’s what caused the players to run in.

It 100% helps my case. I was 80m away and thought it was a clear foul and the replays confirm I was indeed correct. The fact the two officials missed it is ridiculous.

[Hurricane]

Think you’ve missed my point completely. If the original foul gets called up I doubt everyone comes running in at all. Because several fouls weren’t given in a row emotions boiled over and that’s what caused the players to run in.

It 100% helps my case. I was 80m away and thought it was a clear foul and the replays confirm I was indeed correct. The fact the two officials missed it is ridiculous.
The fourth official Higgins was the most senior referee and wasn't consulted at all and probably had the best view of both incidents

[Stanley]

Refereeing is subjective. There’s very few objective decisions and it’s mostly interpretation of incidents.
If you and 9 mates sat down and watched any game, I bet there will be some people who think there’s a foul, if it’s a yellow, if it’s a red or play on.
Referees aren’t robots. The elite referees make decisions that are questioned and many think are incorrect. Watch an EPL game, World Cup game, a league game, there’s a few decisions each and every game that as a spectator you think “pffft wtf are they watching”.

Having had the luxury of sitting on a lounge, multiple replays in slow motion, trying to zoom in and watch the 30 seconds prior to the incident, sure maybe there’s a few things that another referee could have done. But also, I don’t think any decisions could be chalked off as obvious error. Depending upon the charge reports Eg if the report says there was a punch and replays show no punch. (Just an example).

The first tackle from Pappas, could be called, but also, from the angle of the referee and the way the ball comes out, Pappas also does a good job of implying it was a clean tackle with his spray post tackle. I can see how it wasn’t given. Wouldn’t Have a problem if it was.
Maitland then have a crack at a tackle, that could be deemed a foul or play on.
Then the Pappas tackle. Referee recognises that it was a foul, calls it’s immediately, runs to the scene, issues the yellow card and most people acknowledge the situation is under control.
After all this, the Maitland player arrives and pushes the player who ends up on the ground (I’m still unsure whether it was milked or if he just got pushed unexpected and off balance as he’s midstep), regardless player ends up on ground and a melee ensues. The push aggravates the situation.
The referees all ponder the incident, they take their time, they discuss what they saw in the moment ( without luxury of replays or a good camera angle). And they make a decision.
The Bar TV commentary team ponder whether a red card will be given or not. The fact they even bring up whether it’s a red card or not, especially before the replay is shown, kind of justifies why it was being considered by the referee, who again, has no replays.

There’s lots of calls in this period that individually could have gone a number of ways. If he gives a red for the Pappas challenge, I think we are here having the same debate about whether that’s a red card. Some will be saying it is, some will be saying it’s not. Differences in opinion.

The respect we have for our officials in football is terrible. Stems from EPL and elite leagues down. It’s a culture and code issue. I don’t think there’s another code that gets away with giving the officials so much crap for decisions.


Still no explanation as to how the red card was rescinded for what was deemed a clear an obvious error. How can a player running 30/40m to lay a hand (irrespective of the amount of contact) on an opposing player be seen as a clear and obvious error.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Still no explanation as to how the red card was rescinded for what was deemed a clear an obvious error. How can a player running 30/40m to lay a hand (irrespective of the amount of contact) on an opposing player be seen as a clear and obvious error.

I’m not familiar with how appeals work.
As you say, if he was sent off for running in and pushing the player to the ground….then i agree, I don’t see how it can be overturned.

I’m a little curious as to what would happen if he was sent for a ‘striking’ action (send off report would mention a punch thrown or something like that) and obviously the video shows there was no punch. I wonder if that would be grounds to overturn a red card.

Gotta love the subjectivity and interpretation of laws of the game.
Even the “black and white” stuff like is the ball over the line, is it a handball or is it offside can be interpreted differently.

[Once played]

The referees report suggested contact with face/ head of Papas which on video review was deemed to be “light contact with the chest”. Additionally the report suggested ZT stomped on Papas which did not occur based on video review.

Running in does not constitute violent conduct hence decision from the appeal panel of “clear and obvious error”.

NB running in not condoned but in isolation is not a send off offence.


SENDING-OFF OFFENCES

A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:
- denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)
- denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick (unless as outlined below)
- serious foul play
- biting or spitting at someone
- violent conduct (see below)
- using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or action(s)
- receiving a second caution in the same match
- entering the video operation room (VOR)
A player, substitute or substituted player who has been sent off must leave the vicinity of the field of play and the technical area.

VIOLENT CONDUCT

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.

In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.

[RJSteakHouse]

Heard Keanu Moore walked the real love boat plank can anyone confirm?

[Negative Police]

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.

So ref got it right. Too bad so sad. Magpies busted 3 in a row.
Couldnt happen to a nicer pack on the northern fence :lulzturtle::lulzturtle::lulzturtle:

[Once played]

So ref got it right. Too bad so sad. Magpies busted 3 in a row.
Couldnt happen to a nicer pack on the northern fence :lulzturtle::lulzturtle::lulzturtle:


*Didn’t get it right according to the appeals panel who reviewed the video and applied the laws of the game (admittedly with way more time and evidence to review than was possible in the key moment during the game) 🤷🏻

[magician]

So ref got it right. Too bad so sad. Magpies busted 3 in a row.
Couldnt happen to a nicer pack on the northern fence :lulzturtle::lulzturtle::lulzturtle:

2 premierships.. that what counts
Don’t see any other league in the world that has grand finals you numpty

[Allday]

2 premierships.. that what counts
Don’t see any other league in the world that has grand finals you numpty

A League, the country we live in lol

[magician]

A League, the country we live in lol
I rest my case

[Mad with football]

See Bobby naoumov has left Jaffas ! Next stop Azzurri? Who else will he take from Jaffas to Azzurri??

[Hurricane]

See Bobby naoumov has left Jaffas ! Next stop Azzurri? Who else will he take from Jaffas to Azzurri??

James Pascoe is coaching at Azzurri

[Stanley]

The referees report suggested contact with face/ head of Papas which on video review was deemed to be “light contact with the chest”. Additionally the report suggested ZT stomped on Papas which did not occur based on video review.

Running in does not constitute violent conduct hence decision from the appeal panel of “clear and obvious error”.

NB running in not condoned but in isolation is not a send off offence.


SENDING-OFF OFFENCES

A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:
- denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)
- denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick (unless as outlined below)
- serious foul play
- biting or spitting at someone
- violent conduct (see below)
- using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or action(s)
- receiving a second caution in the same match
- entering the video operation room (VOR)
A player, substitute or substituted player who has been sent off must leave the vicinity of the field of play and the technical area.

VIOLENT CONDUCT

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.

In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.

Thanks for the explanation, based on what I have seen on bar tv this year there has been a lot of red card decisions that have been clear and obvious errors by the referees.

[early_to_the_match]

Thanks for the explanation Once played.

[early_to_the_match]

So ref got it right. Too bad so sad. Magpies busted 3 in a row.
Couldnt happen to a nicer pack on the northern fence :lulzturtle::lulzturtle::lulzturtle:
How do you get "use of or attempt to use excessive force or brutality" from running over to someone. Red cards flying around like confetti if that was the case. Standard practice to run in and argue with the ref.
Another year, another asterisk.

[Goatscheese]

It 100% helps my case. I was 80m away and thought it was a clear foul and the replays confirm I was indeed correct. The fact the two officials missed it is ridiculous.

I hope your signing up to be a ref next year, with your eagle vision, it would certainly increase the quality of the refs and none of your decisions would ever be questioned.

[Goatscheese]

2 premierships.. that what counts
Don’t see any other league in the world that has grand finals you numpty

Every other NPL in Australia, A-League, MLS (though they call them play-offs), CSL just to start with for other leagues in the world that has grand finals.

[Goatscheese]

How do you get "use of or attempt to use excessive force or brutality" from running over to someone. Red cards flying around like confetti if that was the case. Standard practice to run in and argue with the ref.
Another year, another asterisk.

He didn't run in and argue with the ref. He ran in and raised his hand as though he was pushing the player. The player fell down crying out and in that split second looked like he ran in and used force to push over the player. Good for us to see it from a different angle, slow it down, rewatch it again and again. Seen these get red cards in professional leagues.

[immersion]

James Pascoe is coaching at Azzurri

Pascoe will not have Bobby at Azzurri guaranteed.

I expect Shane Pryce to be sacked at Jaffas on the same tune. Both Bobby and Shane are poor coaches from all reports.

[magician]

Every other NPL in Australia, A-League, MLS (though they call them play-offs), CSL just to start with for other leagues in the world that has grand finals.

I thought you might of mentioned a league people care about.

[W8 WATCHER]

Every other NPL in Australia, A-League, MLS (though they call them play-offs), CSL just to start with for other leagues in the world that has grand finals.

lol
all the top leagues in the world, love the 2nd chance draw GF.
all the shit leagues in the world, play 1st to the top, at end of season

[early_to_the_match]

He didn't run in and argue with the ref. He ran in and raised his hand as though he was pushing the player. The player fell down crying out and in that split second looked like he ran in and used force to push over the player. Good for us to see it from a different angle, slow it down, rewatch it again and again. Seen these get red cards in professional leagues.
The point being, if the refs allow players to run in and argue with them, why would running and arguing with another player be deemed as worse.
Certainly refs can get it wrong and this is not the poorest call I've seen, but it was the wrong decision as proven by the judiciary, so those arguing it was justified should think again.

[Goatscheese]

lol
all the top leagues in the world, love the 2nd chance draw GF.
all the shit leagues in the world, play 1st to the top, at end of season

And? That's not what the poster said

[Goatscheese]

The point being, if the refs allow players to run in and argue with them, why would running and arguing with another player be deemed as worse.

Why are you trying to make this point? None of this happened is what the red card was shown for

[Allday]

Pascoe will not have Bobby at Azzurri guaranteed.

I expect Shane Pryce to be sacked at Jaffas on the same tune. Both Bobby and Shane are poor coaches from all reports.

Shane has been show the door apparently with tanch coaching jaffas in 2023

[W8 WATCHER]

Shane has been show the door apparently with tanch coaching jaffas in 2023

wow
what a alternative?????????

[early_to_the_match]

Why are you trying to make this point? None of this happened is what the red card was shown for
You, along with many others, are making an issue of "running in", which isn't an offence, but the only thing that can be agreed upon.
No actual offence was committed, that's why red card wiped. Happy to help explain things for you.

[prawnhead]

Shane has been show the door apparently with tanch coaching jaffas in 2023

Wow the 2 just shown the door must be pretty bad 😲

[Goatscheese]

You, along with many others, are making an issue of "running in", which isn't an offence, but the only thing that can be agreed upon.
No actual offence was committed, that's why red card wiped. Happy to help explain things for you.

You are the only one bringing up running in to argue with the ref which isn't what happened.

I am not arguing if it was an offence or not but rather why the ref did what he did. Happy to explain things for you

[Bremsstrahlung]

You, along with many others, are making an issue of "running in", which isn't an offence, but the only thing that can be agreed upon.
No actual offence was committed, that's why red card wiped. Happy to help explain things for you.

Running in, is not an offence. If he runs in and stands there he doesn’t get sent off. I mention he “runs in” because he travels at least 20 metres, arrives well after the referee has given a yellow card to the offence and at this point, everyone is moving on. Then he arrives and pushes the player who falls.

Last time I checked, if a player “pushes” an opponent, it is a direct free kick, so pushing an opponent is an offence.
Pushing a player, who falls and ends up at the bottom of a melee could definitely be seen an endangering player safety.

My opinion, I’m okay with a yellow being given for the incident. But I’m responding to people saying this ref should never ref another game because of this decision. I’m providing perspective on how he may have reached that decision.

As has been mentioned, there seems to be a discrepancy between what the report says and what the footage shows. I think, to the letter of the law, you could send somebody off for confronting a player and pushing them to the ground in a violent manner.
If the send off was due to a “punch” that never happened, or a stomp that never happened, im okay with it being rescinded.
If it’s because the panel deemed that there was not excessive force, I’m also okay with that.

I only offered my 2 cents when there’s calls for a referee to hand in his license because of one call that some people disagree with. I don’t defend every decision referees make, but I’ll always advocate for treating them with respect and acknowledging those that give up their time to allow games to happen.

[Stanley]

Running in, is not an offence. If he runs in and stands there he doesn’t get sent off. I mention he “runs in” because he travels at least 20 metres, arrives well after the referee has given a yellow card to the offence and at this point, everyone is moving on. Then he arrives and pushes the player who falls.

Last time I checked, if a player “pushes” an opponent, it is a direct free kick, so pushing an opponent is an offence.
Pushing a player, who falls and ends up at the bottom of a melee could definitely be seen an endangering player safety.

My opinion, I’m okay with a yellow being given for the incident. But I’m responding to people saying this ref should never ref another game because of this decision. I’m providing perspective on how he may have reached that decision.

As has been mentioned, there seems to be a discrepancy between what the report says and what the footage shows. I think, to the letter of the law, you could send somebody off for confronting a player and pushing them to the ground in a violent manner.
If the send off was due to a “punch” that never happened, or a stomp that never happened, im okay with it being rescinded.
If it’s because the panel deemed that there was not excessive force, I’m also okay with that.

I only offered my 2 cents when there’s calls for a referee to hand in his license because of one call that some people disagree with. I don’t defend every decision referees make, but I’ll always advocate for treating them with respect and acknowledging those that give up their time to allow games to happen.

Correct me if I’m wrong but the review panels decision to rescind the red card for minimal contact tells me a player is within his right to run in from distance and incite conflict provided he only uses minimal contact.

[Mad with football]

Wow the 2 just shown the door must be pretty bad 😲
If Tanj going to Jaffas - who is going to cookers ? These 1st grade coaches just go on a merry go round , time for clubs to take chances on different coaches

[Mad with football]

I saw Maitland promoting Graham Law is heading up a ‘Academy’ for them ? Wait until they see they chaos he can bring -fun and games

[onlooker]

If Tanj going to Jaffas - who is going to cookers ? These 1st grade coaches just go on a merry go round , time for clubs to take chances on different coaches

Problem is there are only a certain few coaches with the right tickets. There’s plenty of coaches out there that are good enough to be coaching at the level it’s just the ridiculous cost to go and get the tickets that stops them from doing so. Whilst I see some point in the tickets and having restrictions, it does cause this merry go round that is always happening.

[ForeverRed]

I saw Maitland promoting Graham Law is heading up a ‘Academy’ for them ? Wait until they see they chaos he can bring -fun and games

Maitland are well aware of Grahame as he coached there before so your post doesn’t make sense, you seem to have something against him, did he not pick you or something

[The Magician]

Maitland are well aware of Grahame as he coached there before so your post doesn’t make sense, you seem to have something against him, did he not pick you or something

Law returning to Cook's Hill

[BBscone]

Law returning to Cook's HillWhat happened to the big rumour that McBreen reunites with Deans at Cooks Hill and the Jets Youth follow in droves? Set up nicely now.

[immersion]

What happened to the big rumour that McBreen reunites with Deans at Cooks Hill and the Jets Youth follow in droves? Set up nicely now.

I would imagine that is a step down for McBreen. I think he has aspirations as a coach in the a-league and coaching at the NPL level would be detrimental to the progress of that goal in my opinion.

I think his next goal should be the assistant coach for an a-league team.

I certainly wouldn't take my opinions as sound career advice though LOL.

[Alton]

Oh come on Stan, the ref stuffed up, Papas sent off straight away avoids the running in.

[Alton]

Does the merry go round ever stop

[spamg172]

If you're going to take a chance, they've got to stick with it. Lakes got Keelan Hamilton in and gave him 5 minutes and then changed their minds when they weren't winning the comp straight away. Who would want to go into a job like that?

[Mad with football]

Maitland are well aware of Grahame as he coached there before so your post doesn’t make sense, you seem to have something against him, did he not pick you or something
Hi Forever red yes your a right I do
Have an issue with GLaw and it as you work with him close ( as I have) he is an imposter and chaos follows him , & Maitland fc know that but they have appointed him so best of luck but I believe it will end in tears IMO

[BBscone]

If you're going to take a chance, they've got to stick with it. Lakes got Keelan Hamilton in and gave him 5 minutes and then changed their minds when they weren't winning the comp straight away. Who would want to go into a job like that?And.....the fact that his credentials include buying a WPL comp, being run out of dodge at Edgey after the players revolted and setting up cones for W League. Some dudes can Coach, some get to hide behind a budget, some get used to being chewed up and spat out. Piggo isn't perfect but he has forgotten more about football than Hamilton. I hear lots of people say Law is hard to work with. I've found him to be respectful, and reasonable but he hasn't Coached me or mine. Does Tanch at Jaffas set up Sneddon to retire? The prodigal son returns.

[W8 WATCHER]

If Tanj going to Jaffas - who is going to cookers ? These 1st grade coaches just go on a merry go round , time for clubs to take chances on different coaches

with tancesvki and gomez as coaches at jaffas
expect a mass exodus or walkout.
perfect opportunity for lakes, olympic and edgy to pick up players

[BS detecor]

with tancesvki and gomez as coaches at jaffas
expect a mass exodus or walkout.
perfect opportunity for lakes, olympic and edgy to pick up players

Gomez won’t be at Jaffas

[W8 WATCHER]

Gomez won’t be at Jaffas

that's the word

on another note, how do you sack Pricey, when wins premiers, and GF over 2 years. then to appoint Tancevski.
teams to benefit from jaffas imploding, olympic, edgy,lakes and valo

[The Hacker]

that's the word

on another note, how do you sack Pricey, when wins premiers, and GF over 2 years. then to appoint Tancevski.
teams to benefit from jaffas imploding, olympic, edgy,lakes and valo

Throw in Azzurri. Pascoe will be on the phone to some old favourites

[Aegon]

that's the word

on another note, how do you sack Pricey, when wins premiers, and GF over 2 years. then to appoint Tancevski.
teams to benefit from jaffas imploding, olympic, edgy,lakes and valo

Gomez is now the Jets Boys Youth TD + 15's coach

[immersion]

that's the word

on another note, how do you sack Pricey, when wins premiers, and GF over 2 years. then to appoint Tancevski.
teams to benefit from jaffas imploding, olympic, edgy,lakes and valo

From what I heard, they were looking for a replacement weeks ago. Surprised they signed Tanch

This is what I have heard from 2 people linked to the club.

The players didn't enjoy the sessions. There was not a clear direction or plan on how to play tactically.

Players were blamed for poor results every time.

Albeit Maitland had a good side this year I think the Jaffas feel like they underachieved. I would agree. I am not saying they could have beat Maitland for the premiership. But with the squad Lambton had, they should have done better.

From what I have heard it was pretty toxic.

The grand final was lucky for the Jaffas.

Pappas should have been sent off. It's a stoke of good fortune he wasn't. But to have a Maitland player sent as the result of the Pappas send-off was crazy.

[W8 WATCHER]

From what I heard, they were looking for a replacement weeks ago. Surprised they signed Tanch

This is what I have heard from 2 people linked to the club.

The players didn't enjoy the sessions. There was not a clear direction or plan on how to play tactically.

Players were blamed for poor results every time.

Albeit Maitland had a good side this year I think the Jaffas feel like they underachieved. I would agree. I am not saying they could have beat Maitland for the premiership. But with the squad Lambton had, they should have done better.

From what I have heard it was pretty toxic.

The grand final was lucky for the Jaffas.

Pappas should have been sent off. It's a stoke of good fortune he wasn't. But to have a Maitland player sent as the result of the Pappas send-off was crazy.

The players didn't enjoy the sessions. There was not a clear direction or plan on how to play tactically.
well jaffas have fkd this up then with there replacment, speaking to Cookers players, its worse!
just what i have heard

[Stanley]

The players didn't enjoy the sessions. There was not a clear direction or plan on how to play tactically.
well jaffas have fkd this up then with there replacment, speaking to Cookers players, its worse!
just what i have heard

Rumour has it Tanch will be head coach and face of the club and Gomez will run the sessions and provide the tactical advise.

[chook]

Woopsy big afternoon. Some old allegiances realigning.

[Lord Elland]

Rumour has it Tanch will be head coach and face of the club and Gomez will run the sessions and provide the tactical advise.

Not sure how he’s gonna do that as the jets TD

[Alton]

Your mail appears to be off the mark Stanley

[The Magician]

Your mail appears to be off the mark Stanley

Gomes U15s Jets Coach, Jets Youth TD, and Jaffas First Grade Assistant/ Trainer and Senior Squad TD ...

[Stanley]

Gomes U15s Jets Coach, Jets Youth TD, and Jaffas First Grade Assistant/ Trainer and Senior Squad TD ...

What has Gomez ever done for the game, never heard of him as a player, sacked as a Jets youth coach at least 3 times (now re appointed for the 4th time, don’t they ever learn), sacked from Magic, Maitland and Cooks Hill. Watch out Jaffas

[immersion]

The players didn't enjoy the sessions. There was not a clear direction or plan on how to play tactically.
well jaffas have fkd this up then with there replacment, speaking to Cookers players, its worse!
just what i have heard

You're right. Perhaps will do better morale.

[immersion]

What has Gomez ever done for the game, never heard of him as a player, sacked as a Jets youth coach at least 3 times (now re appointed for the 4th time, don’t they ever learn), sacked from Magic, Maitland and Cooks Hill. Watch out Jaffas

Do you know why he was sacked?

Sacked 3 times is just ridiculous.

[The Berlin Wall]

Gomes U15s Jets Coach, Jets Youth TD, and Jaffas First Grade Assistant/ Trainer and Senior Squad TD ...

Wait... A guy who runs a "selective" academy thats USP is I Can Get You Into The Jets coz I know people is now the guy picking the kids who get into the Jets??

Nothing to see here guys. Just the Jets doing Jets.

[The Berlin Wall]

What has Gomez ever done for the game, never heard of him as a player, sacked as a Jets youth coach at least 3 times (now re appointed for the 4th time, don’t they ever learn), sacked from Magic, Maitland and Cooks Hill. Watch out Jaffas

He sounds great! :brrr:

[sapdad]

Just before this gets even sillier can everyone be very very careful about what they type regarding individuals named on here.Your rumours and best mates testimony means nothing if you are making defamatory comments.Maybe just move on.

[KITZ]

Hi Forever red yes your a right I do
Have an issue with GLaw and it as you work with him close ( as I have) he is an imposter and chaos follows him , & Maitland fc know that but they have appointed him so best of luck but I believe it will end in tears IMO

He's running extra training as an academy, not coaching in the club.... its extra training for the players on top.

[KITZ]

Just before this gets even sillier can everyone be very very careful about what they type regarding individuals named on here.Your rumours and best mates testimony means nothing if you are making defamatory comments.Maybe just move on.

Unless you got a cool million dollars a defamation case would never see a court room. Your best bet is a cease and desist letter, but honestly if they have been around football for more than 5 minutes in Newcastle they have probably heard it all already, nothing new to see here.

[BS detecor]

Wait... A guy who runs a "selective" academy thats USP is I Can Get You Into The Jets coz I know people is now the guy picking the kids who get into the Jets??

Nothing to see here guys. Just the Jets doing Jets.

He is probably the best decision the academy has made in years. Someone who has actually been around elite football before and knows how to coach. Should probably be doing something higher than 15s is my only criticism.

[JettyJet]

He is probably the best decision the academy has made in years. Someone who has actually been around elite football before and knows how to coach. Should probably be doing something higher than 15s is my only criticism.
It's a poor decision on top of about 20 other poor decisions the Jets have made.
He's just not very good at what he does.

[Stanley]

He is probably the best decision the academy has made in years. Someone who has actually been around elite football before and knows how to coach. Should probably be doing something higher than 15s is my only criticism.

Don’t know the guy, might be the best coach going around and he must be decent if he keeps getting jobs. But there has to be question marks around him being let go by the Jets multiple times, Magic, Maitland and now Cooks Hill.

[Negative Police]

Wait... A guy who runs a "selective" academy thats USP is I Can Get You Into The Jets coz I know people is now the guy picking the kids who get into the Jets??

Nothing to see here guys. Just the Jets doing Jets.

Definitely 1 in there that is on name only. non existent in trials. farce.
PG has a voice at Jets Youth and in the ear at CCM and is GVEs right hand slinger.
Think he reached the dizzy heights of AAge maybe repped in Ids at some stage.

[Texas Ranger]

Sounds like a lot of people making judgement calls on PG based on hearsay rather than facts. His background and reasons behind moving between jobs is purely speculation by most, and would blow all away if they knew the truth. He may not be everyone's cup of tea, but to suggest he doesn't know his stuff is way off the mark. He has made a huge impact on many young aspiring footballers in our region, which is why he is in such great demand.

[BS detecor]

Don’t know the guy, might be the best coach going around and he must be decent if he keeps getting jobs. But there has to be question marks around him being let go by the Jets multiple times, Magic, Maitland and now Cooks Hill.

Good coach but he shoots from the hip and that has a habit of offending todays parents

[BBscone]

Good coach but he shoots from the hip and that has a habit of offending todays parentsPaul shoots from the hip with a machine gun. Also somewhat immature, both reasons why he got into trouble at The Jets. I saw it first hand. Magic will be enjoying this as one of their biggest threats chase a solution. No news around signings out of Lakes, Buds or NL? Olympic and Valo going quitely about their business?

[Take it easy]

PG single best coach in Newcastle bar none. End of story. Shouldn’t be coaching in 15s he’s above this level.

[early_to_the_match]

PG shoots from the hip by telling parents their kid isn't good enough or dedicated enough to make it, which is hard to hear but honest. He also is prepared to criticise coaches and management in different organisations, which is what most of us here are doing anyway, only hidden behind a keyboard. Maybe a bit immature in his approach by getting officials offside, but those that have seen him work either swear by him or feel threatened by him but want to steal his ideas.

[cobra23]

PG Is one of the best out there, he is brilliant with kids and only wants to train kids (outside of football clubs) that are at a high skill level and are dedicated. his sessions are limited in numbers to assure quality and purpose to the session. he is not a organization like clacker, g law or wheelhouse and is a invite only coach.
he has great playing skills and I'm pretty sure he was involved in the Brisbane roar setup as a player years ago.

his downfall is , as stated he tells it how it is and parents," yes the parents who think they no it all" don't like what they here.

I heard he was at the jets but have not heard of the jaffas rumor.

[cobra23]

Wait... A guy who runs a "selective" academy thats USP is I Can Get You Into The Jets coz I know people is now the guy picking the kids who get into the Jets??

Nothing to see here guys. Just the Jets doing Jets.

Sorry Champ.

I think you have overlooked and mistaken a bloke that "was" involved in your club who does jets holiday academy's and thinks he is a jets coach. he gets kids to clubs by telling parents that crap.

[KITZ]

PG Is one of the best out there, he is brilliant with kids and only wants to train kids (outside of football clubs) that are at a high skill level and are dedicated. his sessions are limited in numbers to assure quality and purpose to the session. he is not a organization like clacker, g law or wheelhouse and is a invite only coach.
he has great playing skills and I'm pretty sure he was involved in the Brisbane roar setup as a player years ago.

his downfall is , as stated he tells it how it is and parents," yes the parents who think they no it all" don't like what they here.

I heard he was at the jets but have not heard of the jaffas rumor.

he's great, but not very organised, so in an organisation or system with structure, that's the issue. Almost like a hippy from the 60's counterculture. lol.

time for a new topic.

Which clubs are coach hunting at the moment?

Any new players coming in out of academies or from other areas? Any mass exodus?

Appears to be heaps of movement in the youth space with decoupling.

mariners also run some short trials this week - Think they were only looking for a couple possibly a second keeper in 18's a couple of field players.

[The Berlin Wall]

PG single best coach in Newcastle bar none. End of story. Shouldn’t be coaching in 15s he’s above this level.

Best coach in Newy yeh? Tell us players he's developed into A league players or those getting contracts overseas?

That's the thing with all this 'best coach' bull crap, if you can't show me a player who's made it under a coach then the rest is just words. Keyser Soze BS for mine. If the guy hasn't made it professional himself or produced top players then maybe when he tells parents there kid ain't good enough they might ask how he'd know. #Just sayin'.

[jandysardine]

Pepper not the only one leaving Cookers

[Oldjaffa]

I can only hope that Olympic are on the hunt for a new coach before the whole 1st grade squad follow Rhys Cooper, Tommy Davies, Jacob Bailey, Kyle Hodges and Cody Lucas out the door. Maybe the club need to ask themselves why these players are leaving?

[TRUMP TOWER]

Definitely 1 in there that is on name only. non existent in trials. farce.
PG has a voice at Jets Youth and in the ear at CCM and is GVEs right hand slinger.
Think he reached the dizzy heights of AAge maybe repped in Ids at some stage.

Did your son not make it? Unlucky champ. No need to cry like a bitch on a forum but. The 2 kids in that side that you say by name both deserve to be there, one trial means FA. Throughout the season they are definitely top 15.

[Aegon]

Let’s move on from discussing kids football in the NPL thread.

[KITZ]

Let’s move on from discussing kids football in the NPL thread.

Can you remove trump as well? everyone else got the hint - always trolling along with that other one that hates women football, neither are here to contribute even mildly.

[Negative Police]

along with that other one that hates women football, neither are here to contribute even mildly.

Nah. That point was correct. You guys cant handle the truth.

[Negative Police]

Did your son not make it? Unlucky champ. No need to cry like a bitch on a forum but. The 2 kids in that side that you say by name both deserve to be there, one trial means FA. Throughout the season they are definitely top 15.

Yawn. You definitely know nothing.
My lads went higher than this stuff lol but years ago. Earned a decent $$ too, so wrongo mongo.
I can see when someone hates the truth. Your lad must be the one who got a huge leg up. Anyway happy to leave this.

Back to 1sts, I'm interested to see who NL have lined up for their return to top grade.

[ForeverRed]

Yawn. You definitely know nothing.
My lads went higher than this stuff lol but years ago. Earned a decent $$ too, so wrongo mongo.
I can see when someone hates the truth. Your lad must be the one who got a huge leg up. Anyway happy to leave this.

Back to 1sts, I'm interested to see who NL have lined up for their return to top grade.
I heard Topor Stanley was in the mix

[Zonal Marking]

Back to 1sts, I'm interested to see who NL have lined up for their return to top grade.

Didn’t someone say earlier that they were going to go with mainly the same squad? If that’s the case a few NL players egos are going to learn some humility very quickly in next seasons competition.

[chook]

Cooks Hill are beating the froth out of egg hard in naming a new head coach.

[Grapevine]

Didn’t someone say earlier that they were going to go with mainly the same squad? If that’s the case a few NL players egos are going to learn some humility very quickly in next seasons competition.

Have heard NL have signed Sam Maxwell and Kent Harrison so far

[Kye_Fauchon]

Hearing NL have also signed Pat Wand

[Stanley]

Cooks Hill are beating the froth out of egg hard in naming a new head coach.

Rumour has it Graham Law

[Hotline]

Didn’t someone say earlier that they were going to go with mainly the same squad? If that’s the case a few NL players egos are going to learn some humility very quickly in next seasons competition.

Would you prefer they do a complete clean out like cookers did and kill the culture of the club. Surely keeping mostly the same squad who dominated the the Hit comp deserve a crack at the top div? I'm sure they all know how hard it's going to be. Don't worry yourself about the humility of the squad, they'll be ok.

[Imyourhero]

Let them have a dig with the boys they've got. Not like they need to worry about relegation or anything

[Grapevine]

Would you prefer they do a complete clean out like cookers did and kill the culture of the club. Surely keeping mostly the same squad who dominated the the Hit comp deserve a crack at the top div? I'm sure they all know how hard it's going to be. Don't worry yourself about the humility of the squad, they'll be ok.

Have been told that they aren't looking to get rid of any of their players but just add to what they already have.

[Reds Forever]

Interesting off season with coach movement.

Herald reported yesterday that Jets have spoken to DZ about taking over Jets Youth team. Highly doubt he would be able to do both roles. Other clubs would not want a rival coach having access to best Youth players in the region as well.

[Zonal Marking]

Would you prefer they do a complete clean out like cookers did and kill the culture of the club. Surely keeping mostly the same squad who dominated the the Hit comp deserve a crack at the top div? I'm sure they all know how hard it's going to be. Don't worry yourself about the humility of the squad, they'll be ok.

Not at all! As far as Im aware there is no relegation next season so NL may as well give the current squad a crack. However there is no denying that there is a massive step up in quality between the two divisions. And from my experience in football, teams who comfortably dominate their respective competitions always seem to contain a few players who have a bit of an ego. It will just be interesting to see how those particular individuals react going from winning matches every week to possibly getting only getting a handful of victories next season.

[BS detecor]

Not at all! As far as Im aware there is no relegation next season so NL may as well give the current squad a crack. However there is no denying that there is a massive step up in quality between the two divisions. And from my experience in football, teams who comfortably dominate their respective competitions always seem to contain a few players who have a bit of an ego. It will just be interesting to see how those particular individuals react going from winning matches every week to possibly getting only getting a handful of victories next season.

I think it will affect the youth teams more. I just hope they don’t lose any age groups

[sapdad]

I think it will affect the youth teams more. I just hope they don’t lose any age groups

There is a bit of movement as there are more than a few NL youth players out trailing with other clubs for next year.So either they have been moved on or choosing to leave.They should never struggle for numbers and it will take a while to build.De-coupling in youth will suit NL so it is the perfect time to build a long term program to compete at that level.Senior grades will probably depend more on how much they want to spend and how much everyone else does so those grades can change season to season.NL will be fine.

[Grapevine]

Olympic not looking to add anyone to their squad. Even after losing 4-5 players from their 20.

[RJSteakHouse]

Heard New Lambton had a launch this week. Apparently Matt Simon was there? Not doing a talk but more a meet and greet with coaches and players.

Also heard Josh Evans potentially coming in.

Can anyone confirm this?

God the money must be rolling in there.

[jim wallis]

There is a bit of movement as there are more than a few NL youth players out trailing with other clubs for next year.So either they have been moved on or choosing to leave..

bet they arent trialling with the bottom 6 clubs. Theyd be better off staying and fighting for 8th

[Goatscheese]

Rumour has it Graham Law

Can't be Graham Law, he has business opportunities which is why he has taken a step back from coaching and resigned from Azzurri and certainly not because he was sacked.

[Goatscheese]

There is a bit of movement as there are more than a few NL youth players out trailing with other clubs for next year.So either they have been moved on or choosing to leave.They should never struggle for numbers and it will take a while to build.De-coupling in youth will suit NL so it is the perfect time to build a long term program to compete at that level.Senior grades will probably depend more on how much they want to spend and how much everyone else does so those grades can change season to season.NL will be fine.

The amount of movement is the same, some have been moved on, others have decided to leave for one reason or another. But the numbers aren't huge

[WeekendWarrior]

Also heard Josh Evans potentially coming in.

Can anyone confirm this?

God the money must be rolling in there.

Must be rolling in to fly the guy in weekly from the NT for games...

[W8 WATCHER]

Can't be Graham Law, he has business opportunities which is why he has taken a step back from coaching and resigned from Azzurri and certainly not because he was sacked.

apparently john bennis or anthony richards are cookers options

[Stanley]

Can't be Graham Law, he has business opportunities which is why he has taken a step back from coaching and resigned from Azzurri and certainly not because he was sacked.

I bet you believe in Santa Claus as well

[Goatscheese]

I bet you believe in Santa Claus as well

Which part of my statement are you saying isn't true? That he won't be going to Cooks Hill? That he has stepped back from coaching? Or that he wasn't fired by Azzurri?

[Hurricane]

Which part of my statement are you saying isn't true? That he won't be going to Cooks Hill? That he has stepped back from coaching? Or that he wasn't fired by Azzurri?
Everyone knows that Graham was sacked by Azzurri, i heard it from his own mouth

[Goatscheese]

Everyone knows that Graham was sacked by Azzurri, i heard it from his own mouth

I am well aware my previous post was riddled with sarcasm considering what was said in the paper and the insistence by 3 posters on here that he wasn't sacked.

[Grapevine]

Someone have some transfer news? Or we just going to keep discussing on whether or not Graham law got sacked.

[RJSteakHouse]

Heard today New Lambton increasing players salaries by 500%. Got on good authority. Work with a guy who knows a family who are cousins with a dad of one of the under 14’s that don’t play anymore.

[Lord Elland]

Life comes at those 3 fast

[Alton]

I also heard if from the neighbours in laws who live next to a former players wife’s best friend

[YerMate]

Heard today New Lambton increasing players salaries by 500%. Got on good authority. Work with a guy who knows a family who are cousins with a dad of one of the under 14’s that don’t play anymore.

This has to win the best comment on here surely.
Bhahahahahahahaha

[furns]

Whether or not you "heard it from the horses mouth" - do you really think he wants it splashed all over the forums? Do I have to remind people about what can happen when discussing these topics?

[Hurricane]

Mitchell Rooke joins Bentley Greens

[Reds Forever]

Anyone read article yesterday about Zane taking on jets youth role?

Curious to know if this impacts his coaching gig at Magic.

[The Magician]

Anyone read article yesterday about Zane taking on jets youth role?

Curious to know if this impacts his coaching gig at Magic.

Will only strengthen the club, direct link to Jets Youth and Magic First Grade for those players that the Jets is too much for them... have the staff to support Zane in the dual role.

Into the future Jets and Magic collaborating for B league, Jets to have the best youth set up in the country through the B League... exciting times for Magic Park.

[onlooker]

Across both the boys and girls academy there are a number of coaches now with duel roles, with all academy training being in the mornings now and clubs still being afternoons there won’t be a clash training wise, Game day could be interesting for some but I’m sure they have things set up in club land well enough that they thought taking on the academy role wouldn’t hinder them.

[Oldy]

Will only strengthen the club, direct link to Jets Youth and Magic First Grade for those players that the Jets is too much for them... have the staff to support Zane in the dual role.

Into the future Jets and Magic collaborating for B league, Jets to have the best youth set up in the country through the B League... exciting times for Magic Park.

Been happening for years. Magic are the best leeches when sucking onto the better youth. Thats why their youth are always near top, not much through development as they like to try and tell everyone.
Look at this years jets kids most arrived there late as most did the year before. Hamo had their avenue as well but that has dried up.
If you want a benchmark for development look no further than mid coast 13s. Quality system.

Nothing new to see here but if it works, well played

[KITZ]

Across both the boys and girls academy there are a number of coaches now with duel roles, with all academy training being in the mornings now and clubs still being afternoons there won’t be a clash training wise, Game day could be interesting for some but I’m sure they have things set up in club land well enough that they thought taking on the academy role wouldn’t hinder them.

will likely be an interesting season all round watching from the outside to see how it all goes in the 13-18s, seniors probably next season onwards.

[Spell Check]

Into the future Jets and Magic collaborating for B league, Jets to have the best youth set up in the country through the B League... exciting times for Magic Park.

The very idea that Newy will have a team in the B League is laughable. We can barely sustain an A-League team let alone add another pro club to the region.

B League will be teams from Sydney and Melbourne, with Canberra and Wollongong in addition.

Magic and Jets collaborating on a B League team because DZ is now in charge on Jets Youth team is drawn with as long a bow as I’ve read on here in a while.

[Spell Check]

Anyone read article yesterday about Zane taking on jets youth role?

Curious to know if this impacts his coaching gig at Magic.

Understand DZ doesn’t work outside of football as looks after his kids, so would likely have capacity for both roles.

Great appointment for the Jets. Who else develops youth and gives them a go in the area like him?

DZ also a man of real integrity. Don’t believe he’ll be favouring Magic by taking/sending players to and from the Jets. He’ll be straight down the line.

[BBscone]

Understand DZ doesn’t work outside of football as looks after his kids, so would likely have capacity for both roles.

Great appointment for the Jets. Who else develops youth and gives them a go in the area like him?

DZ also a man of real integrity. Don’t believe he’ll be favouring Magic by taking/sending players to and from the Jets. He’ll be straight down the line.Hard to disagree, he has provided more kids with a chance than others in recent memory. I am really keen to see how areas like Weston and provincial hubs like Maitland can properly tap into growth demographics in years to come.

[jessepinkman]

The very idea that Newy will have a team in the B League is laughable. We can barely sustain an A-League team let alone add another pro club to the region.

B League will be teams from Sydney and Melbourne, with Canberra and Wollongong in addition.

Magic and Jets collaborating on a B League team because DZ is now in charge on Jets Youth team is drawn with as long a bow as I’ve read on here in a while.

This is working on the assumption that you think a top-flight club in the A-League is going to have 10k + supporters at every game - now THATS laughable.

The A-League is dying a slow, painful, and embarrassing death and its exclusion, inability to correctly market its product and absolute bore-fest for 90% of the meaningless games in its fixture means it hasn't captured the hearts of the actual football community.

The reason we can barely sustain an A-League team, just like many other markets in Australia, is not because the people aren't there, it's because 70+ % of the football community don't find it interesting, engaging, or fun. Franchised 'clubs' with no soul and no community connection, who cares.

Although, as far as I knew, it was Edgy that were the likely inclusion.

[Buddha]

This is working on the assumption that you think a top-flight club in the A-League is going to have 10k + supporters at every game - now THATS laughable.

The A-League is dying a slow, painful, and embarrassing death and its exclusion, inability to correctly market its product and absolute bore-fest for 90% of the meaningless games in its fixture means it hasn't captured the hearts of the actual football community.

The reason we can barely sustain an A-League team, just like many other markets in Australia, is not because the people aren't there, it's because 70+ % of the football community don't find it interesting, engaging, or fun. Franchised 'clubs' with no soul and no community connection, who cares.

Although, as far as I knew, it was Edgy that were the likely inclusion.

Edgeworth were part of the 30 clubs who met up at an AAFC meeting recently regarding the NSD

[Bremsstrahlung]

Edgeworth were part of the 30 clubs who met up at an AAFC meeting recently regarding the NSD

For some reason I have Newcastle Olympic in my mind as well. I recall there was talk of this second tier as one of the reasons behind their name change.
Could be wrong, but it seems an odd thing to be stuck in my head.

[W8 WATCHER]

This is working on the assumption that you think a top-flight club in the A-League is going to have 10k + supporters at every game - now THATS laughable.

The A-League is dying a slow, painful, and embarrassing death and its exclusion, inability to correctly market its product and absolute bore-fest for 90% of the meaningless games in its fixture means it hasn't captured the hearts of the actual football community.

The reason we can barely sustain an A-League team, just like many other markets in Australia, is not because the people aren't there, it's because 70+ % of the football community don't find it interesting, engaging, or fun. Franchised 'clubs' with no soul and no community connection, who cares.

Although, as far as I knew, it was Edgy that were the likely inclusion.

Broadmeadow Magic, is nowhere up to , becoming a team in the 2nd tier, there facility has deteriorated, along with the playing surface, imo
all those shanty sheds, looks like christmas island detention centre. not sure what they are doing there, they must have been for free? terrible.
Edgeworth Eagles facility is now the best, to showcase, however not sure what the back of house is like at the club to sustain the next step.

[Spell Check]

This is working on the assumption that you think a top-flight club in the A-League is going to have 10k + supporters at every game - now THATS laughable.

The A-League is dying a slow, painful, and embarrassing death and its exclusion, inability to correctly market its product and absolute bore-fest for 90% of the meaningless games in its fixture means it hasn't captured the hearts of the actual football community.

The reason we can barely sustain an A-League team, just like many other markets in Australia, is not because the people aren't there, it's because 70+ % of the football community don't find it interesting, engaging, or fun. Franchised 'clubs' with no soul and no community connection, who cares.

Although, as far as I knew, it was Edgy that were the likely inclusion.

I wasn't making any assumptions at all. My eyes show me this town can't sustain an A League team so I can't see why adding another semi/professional team would make things any better.

Edgy were in the talks to join the second tier but there is no way the numbers stack up. Millsy is generous with the purse strings but not to the extent that he'll through millions of $$ at something so unsustainable.

[jessepinkman]

I wasn't making any assumptions at all. My eyes show me this town can't sustain an A League team so I can't see why adding another semi/professional team would make things any better.

Edgy were in the talks to join the second tier but there is no way the numbers stack up. Millsy is generous with the purse strings but not to the extent that he'll through millions of $$ at something so unsustainable.

Youve entirely missed my point though - as I said, we cant sustain an A League team here in Newcastle because the A League is boring, not competitive, and 90% of the games don't mean anything. 2nd Division and the threat of relegation makes it enjoyable.

Plenty have done the costings re a 2nd div and with minimal further sponsorship and minimal tv revenue, clubs will be able to afford it based on their current costings. You're basing it off the A League, which is unsustainable because it sucks and nobody cares about it in its current form.

[terry]

will likely be an interesting season all round watching from the outside to see how it all goes in the 13-18s, seniors probably next season onwards.

fk oath.

Ill be having a look. Reckon we might have met our ceiling as far as staying with the big boys. Time will tell.

[terry]

Broadmeadow Magic, is nowhere up to , becoming a team in the 2nd tier, there facility has deteriorated, along with the playing surface, imo
all those shanty sheds, looks like christmas island detention centre. not sure what they are doing there, they must have been for free? terrible.
Edgeworth Eagles facility is now the best, to showcase, however not sure what the back of house is like at the club to sustain the next step.

Tragic would put together a decent squad and fix up the ground in no time if this became an option. Elite Football mad those ****s :lulzturtle:

[Grapevine]

Says in paper cooks hill have lost 9 players to jaffas. Cooks hill really going to struggle next season unless Richo brings in some decent players as replacements. They already struggled for depth this season.

[2285]

Isn’t there a points system with new signings on 10 points each ? How are there all going to fit ??

[Grapevine]

Isn’t there a points system with new signings on 10 points each ? How are there all going to fit ??

Article also says Jaffas are losing 6 players but yes the new signings would outway the players leaving. also says they should be getting Scott Petit back so that is another to add to the point system unless they kept him in theirs last season.

[Hunter403]

Says in paper cooks hill have lost 9 players to jaffas. Cooks hill really going to struggle next season unless Richo brings in some decent players as replacements. They already struggled for depth this season.

Looks like Jaffas won't be promoting any youth from their 18s....again

[Goatscheese]

Looks like Jaffas won't be promoting any youth from their 18s....again

Quality side too, but since most are still U18 they will probably stay in that comp next year.

[Spell Check]

Youve entirely missed my point though - as I said, we cant sustain an A League team here in Newcastle because the A League is boring, not competitive, and 90% of the games don't mean anything. 2nd Division and the threat of relegation makes it enjoyable.

Plenty have done the costings re a 2nd div and with minimal further sponsorship and minimal tv revenue, clubs will be able to afford it based on their current costings. You're basing it off the A League, which is unsustainable because it sucks and nobody cares about it in its current form.

Do you genuinely believe that having a second division will change things in Newy? That the threat of relegation will mean that fans start flocking to games? That the current 6k attendances treble to numbers that actually see the club break even? I think you are very optimistic.

Yes, relegation means a much better comp and I am 100% behind it, but to think that will somehow lead to having two pro clubs in a relatively small area like the Hunter is dreaming. There were not enough fans to sustain two footy clubs when the Super League was around, and Newy will always be a footy town. We should think ourselves lucky to have one pro soccer club and back them. Dividing the local fan base when its already at a low seems like a no win situation for anyone.

[jessepinkman]

Do you genuinely believe that having a second division will change things in Newy? That the threat of relegation will mean that fans start flocking to games? That the current 6k attendances treble to numbers that actually see the club break even? I think you are very optimistic.

Yes, relegation means a much better comp and I am 100% behind it, but to think that will somehow lead to having two pro clubs in a relatively small area like the Hunter is dreaming. There were not enough fans to sustain two footy clubs when the Super League was around, and Newy will always be a footy town. We should think ourselves lucky to have one pro soccer club and back them. Dividing the local fan base when it's already at a low seems like a no-win situation for anyone.

I think the cream will rise to the top and anyone whos poorly administered and poorly supported will drop. Ultimately it's better for football as a whole, even if that means Newcastle doesn't have a first-division team - the fact that mediocrity (or not even that) is rewarded in the current setup has a lot to do with why we have to import players whos great grandad visited australia at some point in the past, and why 90% of the people you see at football fields around the city dont care about the A League. I dont agree with your point of 'we should be lucky to have one pro soccer club and back them' - why should I, you, or anyone else have to back a club if they don't feel an affinity or connection? The mens Jets do absolutely nothing to connect with the community beyond a few appearances at some presentation days. I just dont see why we should have to support them when - in every other country in the world - you support your community club and you ride the divisions with them along the way. If anything, I am anti- A leagues because I think the current setup actively works against football and the development of youth.

I don't think that a 2nd division is a silver bullet for Newcastle, to be honest, the only way to bring the whole football community together is to open the pyramid completely - at least this is a good first step to that. It also depends on your marker for success. IMO Australian football shouldn't be looking at 10k + crowds all over the country. 10k seater stadiums that are 60-80% full is where we should be at. If we're looking outside for comparison, Newy is probably a Sheffield or Bristol in this scenario. 2 pro clubs, the one that administers correctly is the one that sees success longer term. Theres room for success and failure in an open system - in a closed one? there's room for mediocrity for 90%, and a revolving 2-3 clubs who decide to have a dig every now and then.

Anyway, before an open system, a proper transfer system is required so clubs can be rewarded for their development efforts.

[sapdad]

I might be mistaken,but arent the clubs who are gunning for a 2nd division spot like Marconi,Sth Melbourne and Wolves on a completely different level financially to anything we have here in Newcastle?I like the fact that our local clubs are striving for the absolute highest possible level but they seem to be a long long long way away from the next best 12/16 clubs in this country.A transfer system and genuine 2nd division with straight promotion/relegation is the only way to build the A-League from here.

[Two tone]

Cookers have a new gaffa RZ he’s got international experience.

[terry]

I might be mistaken,but arent the clubs who are gunning for a 2nd division spot like Marconi,Sth Melbourne and Wolves on a completely different level financially to anything we have here in Newcastle?I like the fact that our local clubs are striving for the absolute highest possible level but they seem to be a long long long way away from the next best 12/16 clubs in this country.A transfer system and genuine 2nd division with straight promotion/relegation is the only way to build the A-League from here.

I think we have a squad of quality players here mixed in with different clubs.

Those players that didnt take the next level for one reason or another but can handle the step up.

Ill let others name them.

[Stanley]

Cookers have a new gaffa RZ he’s got international experience.

What, has Perth sacked Ruben Zadkovich

[Two tone]

What, has Perth sacked Ruben Zadkovich
No it’s CZ not RZ my mistake

[Spell Check]

I think the cream will rise to the top and anyone whos poorly administered and poorly supported will drop. Ultimately it's better for football as a whole, even if that means Newcastle doesn't have a first-division team - the fact that mediocrity (or not even that) is rewarded in the current setup has a lot to do with why we have to import players whos great grandad visited australia at some point in the past, and why 90% of the people you see at football fields around the city dont care about the A League. I dont agree with your point of 'we should be lucky to have one pro soccer club and back them' - why should I, you, or anyone else have to back a club if they don't feel an affinity or connection? The mens Jets do absolutely nothing to connect with the community beyond a few appearances at some presentation days. I just dont see why we should have to support them when - in every other country in the world - you support your community club and you ride the divisions with them along the way. If anything, I am anti- A leagues because I think the current setup actively works against football and the development of youth.

I don't think that a 2nd division is a silver bullet for Newcastle, to be honest, the only way to bring the whole football community together is to open the pyramid completely - at least this is a good first step to that. It also depends on your marker for success. IMO Australian football shouldn't be looking at 10k + crowds all over the country. 10k seater stadiums that are 60-80% full is where we should be at. If we're looking outside for comparison, Newy is probably a Sheffield or Bristol in this scenario. 2 pro clubs, the one that administers correctly is the one that sees success longer term. Theres room for success and failure in an open system - in a closed one? there's room for mediocrity for 90%, and a revolving 2-3 clubs who decide to have a dig every now and then.

Anyway, before an open system, a proper transfer system is required so clubs can be rewarded for their development efforts.

I think we are largely in agreement on a lot of things. I’m all for the second division and think it is desperately needed for a competitive professional league and more opportunities for young players to play a good level of soccer. I also don’t really care for the Jets as an entity, but my point is more around having two professional clubs in Newy. If it’s Edgy instead of the Jets, I’m in. If it’s Magic, Olympic, I’m in. But there is not room for two.

I’m not sure we should compare Newy to smaller English cities with two clubs. It’s apples and oranges. Soccer is the number one sport in England with other sports a very distant second. Soccer here is probably fourth on the list of codes and the money isn’t there to sustain more than one pro club in places like Newy. Look at Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth: they are nowhere near able to demand a second team. Newy is no different.

[Stanley]

I think we are largely in agreement on a lot of things. I’m all for the second division and think it is desperately needed for a competitive professional league and more opportunities for young players to play a good level of soccer. I also don’t really care for the Jets as an entity, but my point is more around having two professional clubs in Newy. If it’s Edgy instead of the Jets, I’m in. If it’s Magic, Olympic, I’m in. But there is not room for two.

I’m not sure we should compare Newy to smaller English cities with two clubs. It’s apples and oranges. Soccer is the number one sport in England with other sports a very distant second. Soccer here is probably fourth on the list of codes and the money isn’t there to sustain more than one pro club in places like Newy. Look at Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth: they are nowhere near able to demand a second team. Newy is no different.

Agree, we struggle with one team and look what happened when Adamstown (a club side) tried it and they were the only team from Newcastle at that time. For it to stand any chance, Just like the Jets it would require the whole football community of Newcastle to support a second team (club side) and I can’t see that happening. The local NPL clubs are supported by 95% die hard club people, I can’t see Maitland, Weston, Olympic etc people coming out to say support an Edgeworth or a Magic in the national second division. Question for consideration, if a second team from Newcastle got promoted, what would that do to the local football community ???

The Jets in a second division would be a better option, that way we could support a team playing for promotion.

[Goatscheese]

I might be mistaken,but arent the clubs who are gunning for a 2nd division spot like Marconi,Sth Melbourne and Wolves on a completely different level financially to anything we have here in Newcastle?I like the fact that our local clubs are striving for the absolute highest possible level but they seem to be a long long long way away from the next best 12/16 clubs in this country.A transfer system and genuine 2nd division with straight promotion/relegation is the only way to build the A-League from here.

Yes which is why it is an outside chance of any of the two Newcastle clubs to get in. Magic didn't even bother sending a representative to the last AAFC meeting, they probably know it will be difficult for them

[Goatscheese]

Cookers have a new gaffa RZ he’s got international experience.

Good pickup for Cooks Hill and nice to see someone new not one on the local NPL head coach merry go round

[W8 WATCHER]

What, has Perth sacked Ruben Zadkovich

not yet,
however all betting has been suspended

[BBscone]

Good pickup for Cooks Hill and nice to see someone new not one on the local NPL head coach merry go roundI was looking at an article from 12mths ago. Dave Tanchevski at Cooks Hill. Shirt in his hands. Developing Youth, bringing "experience" to guide them. Big future.....Zzzzzzz. 12 mths on its broom put through the Club. Youth structure a shambles with no 16s last year and other ages reeling whilst Jacob Pepper is $20k+ richer and off to Edgey for another pay day. Apparently loads of Jaffas Res team boys getting squeezed out for Cookers players following Tanchevski and they are approaching New Lambton but turned away. A coup at Rosebuds and Hartley out of Jaffas and now at Buds? Shane Pryce also? It will be an interesting year.

[AVB]

I was looking at an article from 12mths ago. Dave Tanchevski at Cooks Hill. Shirt in his hands. Developing Youth, bringing "experience" to guide them. Big future.....Zzzzzzz. 12 mths on its broom put through the Club. Youth structure a shambles with no 16s last year and other ages reeling whilst Jacob Pepper is $20k+ richer and off to Edgey for another pay day. Apparently loads of Jaffas Res team boys getting squeezed out for Cookers players following Tanchevski and they are approaching New Lambton but turned away. A coup at Rosebuds and Hartley out of Jaffas and now at Buds? Shane Pryce also? It will be an interesting year.

Very interesting.

Cooks Hill at least seem to be learning fast...appointing an A League Coach as TD and a Head Coach with runs on the board from coaching youth teams at the Olympics and Youth World cups. It would be tough to argue that's not heading in the right direction.

Hartley leaving Jaffas would be a big loss.

[Grapevine]

I was looking at an article from 12mths ago. Dave Tanchevski at Cooks Hill. Shirt in his hands. Developing Youth, bringing "experience" to guide them. Big future.....Zzzzzzz. 12 mths on its broom put through the Club. Youth structure a shambles with no 16s last year and other ages reeling whilst Jacob Pepper is $20k+ richer and off to Edgey for another pay day. Apparently loads of Jaffas Res team boys getting squeezed out for Cookers players following Tanchevski and they are approaching New Lambton but turned away. A coup at Rosebuds and Hartley out of Jaffas and now at Buds? Shane Pryce also? It will be an interesting year.

This happens every year, Jaffas go and sign 8 new players every year and the reserve graders don't get a look in and move onto other clubs.

[Aegon]

Moved posts to youth thread, lets keep this on topic for Senior football please.

[Hurricane]

I was looking at an article from 12mths ago. Dave Tanchevski at Cooks Hill. Shirt in his hands. Developing Youth, bringing "experience" to guide them. Big future.....Zzzzzzz. 12 mths on its broom put through the Club. Youth structure a shambles with no 16s last year and other ages reeling whilst Jacob Pepper is $20k+ richer and off to Edgey for another pay day. Apparently loads of Jaffas Res team boys getting squeezed out for Cookers players following Tanchevski and they are approaching New Lambton but turned away. A coup at Rosebuds and Hartley out of Jaffas and now at Buds? Shane Pryce also? It will be an interesting year.

I wouldn't say the broom has been put through the club, more like Tanch has ravaged the club

[Stanley]

I wouldn't say the broom has been put through the club, more like Tanch has ravaged the club

Tanch or Gomez ????

[Kye_Fauchon]

Both Virgili’s as well as few other promising acquisitions at day one of Redbacks pre-season. Shouldn’t be long till the might of the red backs are mixing it up with the best of the best in Npl.

[Yesk21]

Both Virgili’s as well as few other promising acquisitions at day one of Redbacks pre-season. Shouldn’t be long till the might of the red backs are mixing it up with the best of the best in Npl.

Slow down mate

[Hurricane]

Zach Thomas from Maitland to Oakleigh

[Wild Brew]

Zach Thomas from Maitland to Oakleigh
A big loss.

[cobra23]

Zach Thomas from Maitland to Oakleigh

Good on him, great player and deserves to play in a quality league

[cobra23]

Both Virgili’s as well as few other promising acquisitions at day one of Redbacks pre-season. Shouldn’t be long till the might of the red backs are mixing it up with the best of the best in Npl.

whos the few other promising acquisitions? Whos coaching thornton?

[The Hacker]

whos the few other promising acquisitions? Whos coaching thornton?

You left off a question. Where are they getting their money from cause those boys aren’t playing there for the love of the game

[magician]

Good on him, great player and deserves to play in a quality league

Sure does. Be good to see him be picked up by another A-League club since the jets want nothing to do with him

[Spell Check]

Sure does. Be good to see him be picked up by another A-League club since the jets want nothing to do with him

Think he trialled or trained with the Mariners towards the back on last season but things didn't work out. Agree he's a good talent. Wish him well.

[BBscone]

You left off a question. Where are they getting their money from cause those boys aren’t playing there for the love of the gameI think you've been played here.