21/22 A-League Men | Match Day 9 | Melbourne Victory v Newcastle Jets

[Jeterpool]

A-League 2021/22 Match Day 9 Melbourne Victory v Newcastle Jets

FIXTURE FACTS

Overall – 49 fixtures between the two teams. Of this, the teams have met on 47 occasions in the A-League and on 2 occasions in the FFA Cup.
Jets Wins - 19, Victory Wins - 20, Drawn - 10


In Newcastle – 24 matches.
Jets Wins - 10, Victory Wins - 7, Drawn - 7
In Melbourne - 25 matches
Jets Wins - 9, Victory Wins - 13, Drawn - 3

Average Home A-League Crowd – 10721
Average Away A-League Crowd - 16680

Goals in Fixture
Jets – 64, Victory - 70
In Melbourne -
Jets – 28, Victory - 42

1st Goals in Fixture
Jets – 23, Victory - 23

Cards in Fixture
Jets - 93 (87 yellow, 6 red), Victory 89 (84 yellow, 5 red)

Last Result -
Newcastle Jets 1 (Stamatelopoulos 18') - Melbourne Victory 2 (D Ryan 48', Brooks 79') at McDonald Jones Stadium, A-League, Round 16, Season 2020/21

Starting line-ups from Last Meeting in Season 2020/21 Match day 16

Newcastle JetsMelbourne Victory
Lewis ItalianoMatthew Acton
Matthew MillarStorm Roux
Lachlan JacksonDylan Ryan
Nikolai Topor-StanleyNicholas Ansell
Connor O'TooleAdama Traore
Luka PrsoJacob Butterfield
Angus ThurgateJake Brimmer
Ramy NajjarineCallum McManaman
Valentino YuelJay Barnett
Apostolos StamatelopoulosBen Folami
Roy O'DonovanLuis Lawrie-Lattanzio



FIXTURE RECORDS


Biggest Win

Jets 4 (Bridge 36’, Bridge 48’, Coveny 51’, J Griffiths 73’) – Victory 0 at Hunter Stadium, Round 21, Season 2006/07, 19/01/2007.

Heaviest Defeat

Jets 0 – Victory 5 (Hernandez 41’, Thompson 50’, Allsopp 61’, Allsopp 64’, Brebner 90’), Round 3, Season 2008/09 at Telstra Dome, 29/08/2008.

Leading Scorers in fixture –


Jets - Joel Griffiths (5)
Victory - Archie Thompson (7)



2020/21 A-LEAGUE SEASON STATISTICS

NumberNameAppearancesStartsSubbed OnSubbed offMinutes PlayedGoalsAssistsYellow CardsRed Cards
1Jack Duncan88007200020
2Dane Ingham75224940000
3Jason Hoffman88065240010
4Jordan Elsey77006300010
5Ben Kantarovski000000000
6Matthew Jurman88016580000
7Jordan O'Doherty86255030010
8Mario Arques1010120000
9Beka Mikeltadze77026156110
10Olivier Boumal88046561200
11Daniel Penha88046401410
14Mohamed Al-Taay4040630010
15Dylan Murnane73432831000
16Kosta Grozos83522710000
17Valentino Yuel74343903200
20Michael Weier000000000
21Savvas Siatravanis63332330010
23Eli Babalj5141940000
25Samuel Silvera81702430000
26Archie Goodwin000000000
27Lucas Mauragis000000000
28Blake Archbold000000000
30Noah James000000000
32Angus Thurgate77026252120
44Riley Warland41312350000



COACHING

Coaches Head to Head – 0 matches
Arthur Papas - 0 wins, Tony Popovic - 0 wins, 0 drawn

Newcastle Jets A-League Coaching Records –

Arthur Papas - 0 matches (0 wins, 0 drawn, 0 losses = N/A% win ratio)
Carl Robinson - 1 match (0 wins, 1 drawn, 0 defeats = 0% win ratio)
Ernie Merrick - 8 matches (3 wins, 0 drawn, 5 defeats = 38% win ratio)
Mark Jones - 3 matches (0 wins, 1 drawn, 2 defeats = 0% win ratio)
Scott Miller - 3 matches (1 win, 1 draw, 1 defeat = 33% win ratio)
Phil Stubbins - 3 matches (1 win, 1 draw, 1 defeat = 33% win ratio)
Clayton Zane – 1 match (0 wins, 1 drawn, 0 defeat = 0% win ratio)
Gary Van Egmond – 16 matches (10 wins, 2 drawn and 4 defeats = 63% win ratio)
Craig Deans - 2 matches (1 win, 0 drawn, 1 defeat = 50% win ratio)
Branko Culina – 6 matches (1 wins, 2 drawn, 3 defeats = 17% win ratio)
Nick Theodorakopoulos – 1 match (0 wins, 0 drawn, 1 defeat = 0% win ratio)
Richard Money – 3 matches (1 win, 1 drawn, 1 defeat = 33% win ratio)

Melbourne Victory Coach Record – Tony Popovic 57% win ratio (12 wins, 5 drawn, 4 losses)

[The Hacker]

Would love to know why Goodwin,Archbold,Mauragis have not made a match day squad. We have had Hoff play left back and he looks uncomfortable out there. We have lacked any punch of the bench all year Goodwin provided that last year

[Jeterpool]

Tweet on Arques and touch on Mauragis

https://twitter.com/bradfogarty101/status/1490972917458685953

[StannyCFCJET]

Have we signed a injury prone dud? Signs are not good. Unless your O Doherty who gets to keep starting

[Jeterpool]

Have we signed a injury prone dud?

On the surface it appears that way.

[MFKS]

To be fair we have got our recruitment rate up

3 out of 5 is a great ratio

Beka Penha Boumal are all great signings

The Greek bloke the jury is out on and the Spanish guy is MIA

I would take that ratio of successful signings every season

[Jeterpool]

To be fair we have got our recruitment rate up

3 out of 5 is a great ratio

Beka Penha Boumal are all great signings

The Greek bloke the jury is out on and the Spanish guy is MIA

I would take that ratio of successful signings every season

Agree

[The Hacker]

To be fair we have got our recruitment rate up

3 out of 5 is a great ratio

Beka Penha Boumal are all great signings

The Greek bloke the jury is out on and the Spanish guy is MIA

I would take that ratio of successful signings every season

At the Jets 3 out of 5 success rate on recruitment is unbelievable

[My2BobsWorth]

Party tricks don't impress me, none of them have shown anything to get excited about, passing to a Jets player would be a good start

[Bon]

Gotta say, comparing to our past recruitment, this season has been amazing..

I've been arguing with Frodo about this..
He loves Penha, I still think the jury is out on him.. (I totally agree that Boumal and Miekeltadze have been great, particularly Beka)
I get so frustrated with Penha cause he does some absolutely amazing stuff, and then other times he just passes it straight to the opposition, or shoots from roughly halfway, or dives cause someone looked at him.. etc..

[StannyCFCJET]

Beka is brilliant, just wish he wouldnt always drop deep, Similar issues with Penha who also could release the ball quicker. Boumal is starting to annoy me, bit of a ball hog and tries to beat 2 or 3 players instead of passing to the open man

[Frodo]

Gotta say, comparing to our past recruitment, this season has been amazing..

I've been arguing with Frodo about this..
He loves Penha, I still think the jury is out on him.. (I totally agree that Boumal and Miekeltadze have been great, particularly Beka)
I get so frustrated with Penha cause he does some absolutely amazing stuff, and then other times he just passes it straight to the opposition, or shoots from roughly halfway, or dives cause someone looked at him.. etc..

Not trying to compare quality at all.. But this Penha situation reminds me slightly of Ozil at Arsenal. When we are on top and things are rosy, he links up constantly and looks a class above, but when things aren't going well and we aren't on top (teams are set up to control us) he looks like he forcing things and frustrates. Plus, even though they both track back and defend, because they pick and choose the best times to do so it appears they are lazy. It also makes a difference when we have more than one passing option available, over the last 2 games we've been flat and not working off the ball, which is also why Boumal has looked isolated.


The flipside of us looking more flat has been that we haven't died after 65 mins and been overran towards the end of the game. Maybe Papas is trying to find a pace that means we can still attack/transition at pace like we did at the start of the season but have some legs to finish the game off, going to 3 atb was also interesting to me. That's a simple way to transition between all out attack and all out defence, as Stanny would know from Conte's days at Chelsea. Marquis being unavailable might also force us drop to a 2 man midfield as well.

[StannyCFCJET]

Not trying to compare quality at all.. But this Penha situation reminds me slightly of Ozil at Arsenal. When we are on top and things are rosy, he links up constantly and looks a class above, but when things aren't going well and we aren't on top (teams are set up to control us) he looks like he forcing things and frustrates. Plus, even though they both track back and defend, because they pick and choose the best times to do so it appears they are lazy. It also makes a difference when we have more than one passing option available, over the last 2 games we've been flat and not working off the ball, which is also why Boumal has looked isolated.


The flipside of us looking more flat has been that we haven't died after 65 mins and been overran towards the end of the game. Maybe Papas is trying to find a pace that means we can still attack/transition at pace like we did at the start of the season but have some legs to finish the game off, going to 3 atb was also interesting to me. That's a simple way to transition between all out attack and all out defence, as Stanny would know from Conte's days at Chelsea. Marquis being unavailable might also force us drop to a 2 man midfield as well.

And Tuchel atm but was it a back 3? Looked like Savas went to right back?

[mic22]

On the surface it appears that way.

And he's in the starting 11 tonight... Papas playing games?

[weston]

Mikeltadze is playing striker, midfield and defence. Mays well chuck some gloves on him too

[Hunter403]

And again we concede on half time.....

[StannyCFCJET]

Argues body wise, not up to it

[MFKS]

Our Manager needs to take a good hard look at himself

That midfield of ours is absolutely honking at actually getting about the place

That goal came after repeatedly Grozos and Arques made very little effort to actually run time and time again

Eventually it cost us

I get the fact that we have limited depth in our squad but FMD tactically this was obvious all half and it is really not a dereliction of duty that either personnel or tactics have not been adjusted

I get we ain't playing well either but that was one soft goal to concede

[Hunter403]

Do we have a CDM tonight?

[Bremsstrahlung]

Wow some finish

[Bremsstrahlung]

Do we have a CDM tonight?

Beka.

[Retro Jet]

That's soft...

[Retro Jet]

Has our luck finally changed?

Happy to take GF karma credits from these turd Tards tho.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Beka.

He’s gonna look so good in red n black next month.
When the Sydney clubs only transfer window opens.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Who is this Mauragis guy?

[Hunter403]

5 to go. Will it be a classic Jets finish? Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory? (No pun intended)

[Bremsstrahlung]

Geez, did my internet just lag or did sav just get chased down from a 10m head start

[Hunter403]

5 minutes extra time. We're screwed

[Retro Jet]

5 minutes extra time. We're screwed

Poppa-time

[Mark325]

Hardly a good performance but **** I’ll take 3 points any day of the week

[MFKS]

Must thank the guys at Smufs FC who have put the brown paper bag into the ref at HT

The dodgy send off and weak penalty the second half to turn arpund a defecit are the type of things that happen to Smurfs FC not the Jets

To be fair even against 10 men we were ****ing garbage tonight

Take the charity though

[lquiquer]

Must thank the guys at Smufs FC who have put the brown paper bag into the ref at HT

The dodgy send off and weak penalty the second half to turn arpund a defecit are the type of things that happen to Smurfs FC not the Jets

To be fair even against 10 men we were ****ing garbage tonight

Take the charity though

Would I be wrong if I say Brisbane were not always pretty under Ange?.... In Few games, decisions went their way, like us tonight but they always stick to their style, fought to the end and got the points

[MFKS]

Would I be wrong if I say Brisbane were not always pretty under Ange?.... In Few games, decisions went their way, like us tonight but they always stick to their style, fought to the end and got the points
I wouldn't say we turned that around through our philosophy eventually wearing the other team down

We were odds on to be better in the second half as we couldn't string 3 passes together in the first

The game definitely changed after the send off

Whether we would have dominated the period from 50 mins to 70 mins like we did if Victree had 11 men I doubt

The send off changed the game gave us encouragement

We did enough to take advantage of our fortune but I wouldn't say we really done enough in the last 40 mins against 10 men

If anything we scraped to a lead from a soft penalty and hung on and allowed a 10 men side opportunities to get a draw

We are a work in progress

[mic22]

Just a mention for the spectacular 40 meter assist that Penha produced: that level of precision and accuracy is top shelf.
Also, kudos to Yuel for believing, his touch was just as lovely.

I have noticed, Penha is doing lots of this through passes from 5-10 m outside the box, but the vast majority of them are not understood and our midfield/forwards don't make a run.
When they do, it often results in a goal or a big chance (see Thurgate vs. City).
If they learn to read his passing, this guy is a gold mine.

[Bremsstrahlung]

As somebody said the other game, we were the much better team and dropped points.
Considering this the karma balance of getting the points when we probably didn’t deserve all 3.

Good to see Mauragis back in the picture.
Thought Beka was excellent, really like what he brings.


Not sold on the Arques - prefer O’Doherty and Thurgate in that role.
Grozos and savvas aren’t really filling me with much joy either.

Penha is a welcome addition. Some maturity in his play would go a long way. He’s certainly capable of that x-factor pass or shot. Just needs to get his shots on target % and passing accuracy up a bit. In saying that, I like the dynamic of Thurgate and O’Doherty holding the midfield while he roams. Boumal and Yuel are both handy every second game. That finish. If that was ninkotwat or even Maclaren we’d be still wiping up the jizz from commentators.

Don’t think I was as annoyed watching Regan play as I was I was Jurman. Except when he was gassed after 60. But expected I guess. Interested to see more of him. He’s not the answer to our backline, but I’d love to see some repercussions for repeated poor performances.

[Hunter403]

Argues and Grozos were poor in my view. Argues unsighted.

[StannyCFCJET]

Argues and Grozos were poor in my view. Argues unsighted.

Agree 100% left the centre of the pitch wide open

[The Hacker]

Agree 100% left the centre of the pitch wide open

I thought strange decision from the gaffer to just throw him in the deep end and start him after being unsighted

[Jeterpool]

Argues and Grozos were poor in my view. Argues unsighted.


Agree 100% left the centre of the pitch wide open


I thought strange decision from the gaffer to just throw him in the deep end and start him after being unsighted

Given Jimmy G's tweet earlier in the week, I agree he was a surprise - but O'Doherty and Gussy need a rest, so rotation was inevitable. Mo Al-Taay will be disappointed not to start but he either hasn't done enough to earn it or we wanted Arques guidance. Funny that before kick off you saw him encouraging the team to "talk-talk" but you saw nothing of him directing, coordinating - don't know if that's his role but my bias was confirmed.

Listening to the match, the effect mics were picking up someone yelling at "Mario" quite a bit. Listen to it just before the goal. His mobility isn't up to what is needed for our system in that role. We'd need to play 2 beside him or put him in the 10 - which i'd be reluctant to do on both counts at this stage.

However, we earned 3 points (not completely deserved IMO) and JO'D got a break so it's a good outcome.

[Macca]

Given Jimmy G's tweet earlier in the week, I agree he was a surprise - but O'Doherty and Gussy need a rest, so rotation was inevitable. Mo Al-Taay will be disappointed not to start but he either hasn't done enough to earn it or we wanted Arques guidance. Funny that before kick off you saw him encouraging the team to "talk-talk" but you saw nothing of him directing, coordinating - don't know if that's his role but my bias was confirmed.

Listening to the match, the effect mics were picking up someone yelling at "Mario" quite a bit. Listen to it just before the goal. His mobility isn't up to what is needed for our system in that role. We'd need to play 2 beside him or put him in the 10 - which i'd be reluctant to do on both counts at this stage.

However, we earned 3 points (not completely deserved IMO) and JO'D got a break so it's a good outcome.

I think O'Doherty alongside him would be a huge step up from Grozos, especially in terms of defensive cover and work rate.

Another point is that in the games where we've played well he would probably look a lot better. In the first half we barely strung 5 passes together before turning it over. If we were bossing possession like in some other games this season, I think he may look a lot different.

Last thought is that he often dropped in to the back line to play the conductor role. I wonder if this was a tactic to cover for Regan and get some ball playing out from the back. I don't think we've seen the CDM dropping in between the CBs too much this season.

[Retro Jet]

Watching the mini match and Davidson's clearance off the line from Ingham.
Ingham is tracking the ball and Folami blatantly knocks him goalwards (a foul) and Ingham goes to ground...gets up and stops Davidsons shot.
Ingham is only Johnny-on-the-spot because of Folami's shoulder charge.
Thanks, Folami! you :arse:. You're the reason a clear shot on goal was able to be blocked. :rof: :wub:
F-tard is the first to put his arms up claiming the goal too lofl

Wonder if it would have been reviewed if JD scored it.

Edit: In another glorious moment in A-League coverage, Yuel's goal is completely missing in the mini-match. :wtf:
It goes from 54th min with the afters for Hoff's non goal to 68th and the pen decision.

[Jeterpool]

Edit: In another glorious moment in A-League coverage, Yuel's goal is completely missing in the mini-match. :wtf:
It goes from 54th min with the afters for Hoff's non goal to 68th and the pen decision.

I KNOW!!! I wanted to show my son the highlights the following morning and especially Val's goal - it was a beauty. But alas!

The app is truly horrible. The editing isn't any better.

[Macca]

I KNOW!!! I wanted to show my son the highlights the following morning and especially Val's goal - it was a beauty. But alas!

The app is truly horrible.

I watched the match back in full and there was a tackle from Beka on one of the Melb CBs where there were big shouts for him to get a second yellow.
They showed a "replay" of it, which was a frozen first frame for 5 seconds followed by the frozen last frame for a second.
Not sure if that was the case in the live coverage, or maybe an issue on my end trying to watch the replay back. I was curious though, the live angle looked like they both kicked the ball at the same time but Beka put his hands up straight away and Victory players were pretty angry about the challenge.

[Jeterpool]

I watched the match back in full and there was a tackle from Beka on one of the Melb CBs where there were big shouts for him to get a second yellow.
They showed a "replay" of it, which was a frozen first frame for 5 seconds followed by the frozen last frame for a second.
Not sure if that was the case in the live coverage, or maybe an issue on my end trying to watch the replay back. I was curious though, the live angle looked like they both kicked the ball at the same time but Beka put his hands up straight away and Victory players were pretty angry about the challenge.

No, that happened live as well.