ADL v Jets - 13/3/2022

[Jetmaster]

Groundhog Day....

[Mark325]

this team has so many moments of obvious quality that it makes moments like that goodwin goal even more frustrating

[Hunter403]

At least we didn't concede in the last 5 minutes of the first half....just the first five.

[Hunter403]

The are 14 year boys in community league with better touch than Yuell. Jeeeeez

[Hunter403]

Finally!

[Mark325]

thurgate might be the best midfielder in the league, and far and away the best in our team

[Hunter403]

And yet again we concede at the death...

[Mark325]

has a team ever conceded this much at the end of halves? It's actually getting ridiculous at this point

[Jetmaster]

20 shots with 9 on target again.
But you can't win conceding every game either.

[The Dunster]

Goodwin has the ball and we run away from him so he can put a cross in.
Cross goes in Elsey in no mans land again.

[lquiquer]

With NTS we could be top of the league .. we play good

[Hunter403]

The Yuell experiment fails as it has at other clubs. Too much crap for the few golden moments. Boomal promises so much but he can't hit the target lately. We should have won that comfortably with the opportunities created

[mic22]

With NTS we could be top of the league .. we play good

We had him, and he was begging to stay...

It's not even frustrating, you know it's gonna happen.
We concede early in the game, we dominate but can't score, eventually find a scrappy goal, then get sloppy and concede again at the end of the game.
I can't believe I watched this game again.

[The Dunster]

We had him, and he was begging to stay...

Would he have played for the same wage as Elsey?

[380]

F&*()ng witches hats our club captain and Elsey.

Yule for the last month playing like a bloke who would rather be anywhere but here. Touch, what touch ?. All we been getting lately from this bloke is the useless Western United version of him.

Paps with no answers to our defensive issues.

[mic22]

Would he have played for the same wage as Elsey?

I honestly don't know, but I think he would have accepted a substantial cut. Is he on big money at WU?
I have the impression Elsey is not cheap either.
It seemed more like a technical decision to me.

[Frodo]

Meh, I love watching us play. We are way more enjoyable even when we lose than some games that we won in previous years.

Considering we haven't heard boo about new owners, i.e. probably on our last legs as a club, I'd rather go out playing the most enjoyable football in the league than some dire GVE or Stubbins style football.

[mge61]

Don’t know if they showed anything on Paramount but live after the game Beka stayed on his own about 30m from the rest of the team. He was distraught and visibly remonstrating with firstly the captain and then one of the support staff. Pappas didn’t come near him for several minutes. He was riding him constantly on the sideline in the second half.

[Buddha]

With NTS we could be top of the league .. we play good

We wouldnt be top 6 if he was still here.

[lquiquer]

We wouldnt be top 6 if he was still here.

We would have more points

[Mark325]

Has Beka scored the most penalties for us in a single season so far? Think he’s up to 4 and I can’t ever remember us having that many

[Jeterpool]

We continue to spruik how physically fit we are, but we seem to switch off mentally at crucial times.

I also read that we need to build the squad over time to continue under Papas - if we are going to do this then we need to look to re-sign a few of the players because many are on 1 year deals....so the question needs to be asked, would we re-sign them?

[Bon]

We continue to spruik how physically fit we are, but we seem to switch off mentally at crucial times.

I also read that we need to build the squad over time to continue under Papas - if we are going to do this then we need to look to re-sign a few of the players because many are on 1 year deals....so the question needs to be asked, would we re-sign them?

Who are on the 1 year deals mate??
Just so we can throw some names around..

[Jeterpool]

Expiring 21/22
3 Jason Hoffman – signed until 21/22
5 Ben Kantarovski – signed until 21/22
7 Jordan O'Doherty - signed until 21/22
17 Valentino Yuel - signed until 21/22
19 Kosta Petratos - signed until 21/22* - *to the best of my knowledge
26 Archie Goodwin - signed until 21/22*^
28 Blake Archbold - signed until 21/22 ^
xx Mohamed Al-Taay - signed until 21/22
xx Olivier Boumal - signed until 21/22 #
xx Samuel Silvera - signed on loan until 21/22
xx Daniel Penham - signed on loan until 21/22 #
xx Dylan Murnane - signed until 21/22
xx Kosta Grozos - signed until 21/22
xx Savvas Siantravanis - signed until 21/22
xx Michael Weier - signed until 21/22
xx Eli Babalj - signed until 21/22
xx Mario Arques - signed until 21/22 #

Expiring 22/23
27 Lucas Mauragis - signed until 22/23 ^
32 Angus Thurgate – signed until 22/23
Xx Noah James - signed until 22/23 ^
xx Matthew Jurman - signed until 22/23
xx Dane Ingham - signed until 22/23
xx Riley Warland - signed until 22/23
xx Beka Mikeltadze - signed until 22/23 #
xx Jordan Elsey - signed until 22/23

Expiring 23/24
23 Jack Duncan - signed until 23/24


26 players signed for next season
- 22 A-League squad players from possible 23
- 5 Visa spot (Mikeltadze, Boumal, Penha, Siantravanis, Arches) from possible 5
- 4 Scholarships (Mauragis, James, Goodwin and Archbold) from possible 3 (?)

[Buddha]

Expiring 21/22
3 Jason Hoffman – signed until 21/22 - Cya
5 Ben Kantarovski – signed until 21/22 - Cya
7 Jordan O'Doherty - signed until 21/22 - Keep
17 Valentino Yuel - signed until 21/22 - Cya
19 Kosta Petratos - signed until 21/22* - *to the best of my knowledge - Should have been gone already
26 Archie Goodwin - signed until 21/22*^ - Keep
28 Blake Archbold - signed until 21/22 ^ - Keep
xx Mohamed Al-Taay - signed until 21/22 - Keep
xx Olivier Boumal - signed until 21/22 # - Jury's out
xx Samuel Silvera - signed on loan until 21/22 - Cya
xx Daniel Penham - signed on loan until 21/22 # - DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO KEEP
xx Dylan Murnane - signed until 21/22 - Keep
xx Kosta Grozos - signed until 21/22 - Cancel contract immediately
xx Savvas Siantravanis - signed until 21/22 - Cya
xx Michael Weier - signed until 21/22 - Keep
xx Eli Babalj - signed until 21/22 - Cya
xx Mario Arques - signed until 21/22 # - Keep

Expiring 22/23
27 Lucas Mauragis - signed until 22/23 ^ - Keep
32 Angus Thurgate – signed until 22/23 - Keep
Xx Noah James - signed until 22/23 ^ - Keep
xx Matthew Jurman - signed until 22/23 - Keep if getting a better CB than Elsey
xx Dane Ingham - signed until 22/23 - Cya
xx Riley Warland - signed until 22/23 - Keep
xx Beka Mikeltadze - signed until 22/23 # - MUST KEEP
xx Jordan Elsey - signed until 22/23 - Cya

Expiring 23/24
23 Jack Duncan - signed until 23/24 - Cya

[Bon]

Expiring 21/22
3 Jason Hoffman – signed until 21/22 - Cya
5 Ben Kantarovski – signed until 21/22 - Cya
7 Jordan O'Doherty - signed until 21/22 - Keep
17 Valentino Yuel - signed until 21/22 - Cya
19 Kosta Petratos - signed until 21/22* - *to the best of my knowledge - Should have been gone already
26 Archie Goodwin - signed until 21/22*^ - Keep
28 Blake Archbold - signed until 21/22 ^ - Keep
xx Mohamed Al-Taay - signed until 21/22 - Keep
xx Olivier Boumal - signed until 21/22 # - Jury's out
xx Samuel Silvera - signed on loan until 21/22 - Cya
xx Daniel Penham - signed on loan until 21/22 # - DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO KEEP
xx Dylan Murnane - signed until 21/22 - Keep
xx Kosta Grozos - signed until 21/22 - Cancel contract immediately
xx Savvas Siantravanis - signed until 21/22 - Cya
xx Michael Weier - signed until 21/22 - Keep
xx Eli Babalj - signed until 21/22 - Cya
xx Mario Arques - signed until 21/22 # - Keep

Expiring 22/23
27 Lucas Mauragis - signed until 22/23 ^ - Keep
32 Angus Thurgate – signed until 22/23 - Keep
Xx Noah James - signed until 22/23 ^ - Keep
xx Matthew Jurman - signed until 22/23 - Keep if getting a better CB than Elsey
xx Dane Ingham - signed until 22/23 - Cya
xx Riley Warland - signed until 22/23 - Keep
xx Beka Mikeltadze - signed until 22/23 # - MUST KEEP
xx Jordan Elsey - signed until 22/23 - Cya

Expiring 23/24
23 Jack Duncan - signed until 23/24 - Cya

I'd agree with pretty much all choices you've made here..
However, Jurman would be first out the door for me.. I feel Elsey looks a lot better when hes got Regan next to him.
I was a big supporter of Yuel and Boumal at the start of the year, could see the potential there.. But ever since that break, they have both been honking..

Mikeltadze is too good for us.. Him and Penha (or Penham, hahah) need to be kept at all costs.

[Jeterpool]

Expiring 21/22
3 Jason Hoffman – signed until 21/22 - Cya
5 Ben Kantarovski – signed until 21/22 - Cya
7 Jordan O'Doherty - signed until 21/22 - Keep
17 Valentino Yuel - signed until 21/22 - Cya
19 Kosta Petratos - signed until 21/22* - *to the best of my knowledge - Should have been gone already
26 Archie Goodwin - signed until 21/22*^ - Keep
28 Blake Archbold - signed until 21/22 ^ - Keep
xx Mohamed Al-Taay - signed until 21/22 - Keep
xx Olivier Boumal - signed until 21/22 # - Jury's out
xx Samuel Silvera - signed on loan until 21/22 - Cya
xx Daniel Penham - signed on loan until 21/22 # - DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO KEEP
xx Dylan Murnane - signed until 21/22 - Keep
xx Kosta Grozos - signed until 21/22 - Cancel contract immediately
xx Savvas Siantravanis - signed until 21/22 - Cya
xx Michael Weier - signed until 21/22 - Keep
xx Eli Babalj - signed until 21/22 - Cya
xx Mario Arques - signed until 21/22 # - Keep

Expiring 22/23
27 Lucas Mauragis - signed until 22/23 ^ - Keep
32 Angus Thurgate – signed until 22/23 - Keep
Xx Noah James - signed until 22/23 ^ - Keep
xx Matthew Jurman - signed until 22/23 - Keep if getting a better CB than Elsey
xx Dane Ingham - signed until 22/23 - Cya
xx Riley Warland - signed until 22/23 - Keep
xx Beka Mikeltadze - signed until 22/23 # - MUST KEEP
xx Jordan Elsey - signed until 22/23 - Cya

Expiring 23/24
23 Jack Duncan - signed until 23/24 - Cya

Yeah I didn't update this list once LKosta left - I pulled it from an earlier post in the Squad thread.

[Mark325]

I'm sure it's been floated around in here before, but I'd like to see Papas run 3 at the back for a couple of games and see how that works out for us. We have Warland signed on for next season and by CB standards he seems decently quick, put Jurman at LCB and Mauragis next to him who has pace as well and you could really offset just how slow he can be. Something like this could work:

Boumal - Penha
Penha
Thurgate - Arques
Mauragis - Jurman - Warland - Elsey - Ingham
Duncan

or you run 3 upfront and put Penha on the wing

[StannyCFCJET]

I'm sure it's been floated around in here before, but I'd like to see Papas run 3 at the back for a couple of games and see how that works out for us. We have Warland signed on for next season and by CB standards he seems decently quick, put Jurman at LCB and Mauragis next to him who has pace as well and you could really offset just how slow he can be. Something like this could work:

Boumal - Penha
Penha
Thurgate - Arques
Mauragis - Jurman - Warland - Elsey - Ingham
Duncan

or you run 3 upfront and put Penha on the wing

Weier ahead of Duncan all day and sadly it seems Lucas isnt rated by Papas or has done something wrong. Also Al taay and Wilson showed more then Arques has all season as has Ohdoherty

[Mark325]

Weier ahead of Duncan all day and sadly it seems Lucas isnt rated by Papas or has done something wrong. Also Al taay and Wilson showed more then Arques has all season as has Ohdoherty

I agree with all of these, I mean if it were up to me we wouldn't have to go back 3/5 and you would just start benching people for poor performances but Papas isn't doing that for the right people.

[Frodo]

Also Al taay and Wilson showed more then Arques has all season as has Ohdoherty

Showed more what exactly?

[Buddha]

Showed more what exactly?

I'm convinced that Stanny doesn't actually watch the games but rather spend the whole game waiting for players he doesn't like to make mistakes.

[belchardo]

Don’t know if they showed anything on Paramount but live after the game Beka stayed on his own about 30m from the rest of the team. He was distraught and visibly remonstrating with firstly the captain and then one of the support staff. Pappas didn’t come near him for several minutes. He was riding him constantly on the sideline in the second half.

On the match replay they showed him pulling his shirt over his head and yelling into it, and then the longnshot showed him on the far edge of the circle by himself. I think Jurman started heading over but he only went about half way over before stopping.

[StannyCFCJET]

Showed more what exactly?
He was composed on the ball and hard to dissposess and to me didnt struggle to cover the space in his role as Arques does

[StannyCFCJET]

I'm convinced that Stanny doesn't actually watch the games but rather spend the whole game waiting for players he doesn't like to make mistakes.

Ive never said I dont like Arques just feel like based on what weve seen so far weve wasted a foreign spot. We would all rather Jordan and Gus as our piviot until we sign better

[Bremsstrahlung]

Sign Angus to a 5 year contract and make him captain.

He won’t be here next season.

[matty]

I'm sure it's been floated around in here before, but I'd like to see Papas run 3 at the back for a couple of games and see how that works out for us. We have Warland signed on for next season and by CB standards he seems decently quick, put Jurman at LCB and Mauragis next to him who has pace as well and you could really offset just how slow he can be. Something like this could work:

Boumal - Penha
Penha
Thurgate - Arques
Mauragis - Jurman - Warland - Elsey - Ingham
Duncan

or you run 3 upfront and put Penha on the wing

Dane Ingham I wouldn't even trust to mark the lines on the grass let alone opposition wingers.

[380]

Dane Ingham I wouldn't even trust to mark the lines on the grass let alone opposition wingers.

This x 1000, Sorry Stanny but you know its true.

[StannyCFCJET]

This x 1000, Sorry Stanny but you know its true.

I cant defend anything he's done at the Jets, All our fullbacks have been bang average, Papas please let Lucas out of jail

[Mark325]

Dane Ingham I wouldn't even trust to mark the lines on the grass let alone opposition wingers.

I don't love him but I think this formation would still alleviate some of our issues with our CB's. I'd almost prefer we ran with Lucas and Murnane as I think they'd be the most qualified but I doubt Papas would go for it.

[Mark325]

Sign Angus to a 5 year contract and make him captain.

He won’t be here next season.

If we have to lose him I'd rather we do it after this season and actually get compensated for him. Scary to think the midfield this season could have been thurgate and devlin with Penha above them.

[Bremsstrahlung]

If we don’t sort out our defence before start of next season, I’ll be firmly in the Paps out brigade.
On paper, Elsey and Jurman wasn’t a Terrible intention or plan. But frailties have been exposed. I think individually they could probably offer something if paired with somebody who compliments them. Jurman has Socceroo experience and Elsey has youth on his side (compared to your Topors etc) but together they don’t work.

Our general gameplay is tonnes better than it has been for some time.
It’s just those lapses and we always look like we are going to concede.
I had more faith in Boogs and Topor keeping a clean sheet than I do Jurman and Elsey, and that’s saying something.

[redwah]

We need a better keeper, I don’t think the defenders have confidence in Duncan.
Jurman is to slow to try to play the high line we do and Elsey has stepped into midfield a couple of times and had us caught out.
I don’t mind out DM options but do feel a taller more robust option might be a better pick up if possible.
If we could get Angus and Penha playing 8s/10s somehow we would be a heap better…….as long as we learn you don’t have to either score from 30yds or 3yds..this is killing us.
Beka is a must and we need to fix things so he goes nowhere else in the league.
Fullback and wide miss are problems areas…Lucas needs a run and we need a solid right back.

Some one needs to tell hoff to **** off his runs forward straight towards the middle of the box..he plugs a channel there.
The coach needs to make better subs and stop making them just for the sake of it.
Babalj has offered very little off the bench so start giving Goodwin minutes.

[belchardo]

I can't say I've noticed a marked improvement in our defence since the new keeper came in.

[My2BobsWorth]

Might be time for a back four, no wingbacks, and take it from there. Fix the defence and the rest will follow.

[StannyCFCJET]

I can't say I've noticed a marked improvement in our defence since the new keeper came in.

I have. Weier is way more confident and assured in everything a keeper has to do. Not his fault our defence is garbage and leaving him high and dry

[Buddha]

I have. Weier is way more confident and assured in everything a keeper has to do. Not his fault our defence is garbage and leaving him high and dry
I dont think you read the post correctly. Weier coming in hasnt improved the defence at all. Its more of the same.

Duncan and Weier are both the same in terms of ability. Adelaide's winner came from Weier not committing himself to the cross enough hence why Toure got there ahead of him.

It's easy to watch a game with a biased view. It's also super easy to criticise goalkeepers when you dont play the position either.

[StannyCFCJET]

I dont think you read the post correctly. Weier coming in hasnt improved the defence at all. Its more of the same.

Duncan and Weier are both the same in terms of ability. Adelaide's winner came from Weier not committing himself to the cross enough hence why Toure got there ahead of him.

It's easy to watch a game with a biased view. It's also super easy to criticise goalkeepers when you dont play the position either.

Never has any issue with Duncan before he left to the saudi league. Actually rated him. Since he's come back haven't been impressed at all and confused as to why he has regressed

[Buddha]

Never has any issue with Duncan before he left to the saudi league. Actually rated him. Since he's come back haven't been impressed at all and confused as to why he has regressed

Once again you haven't read the post correctly. Go forth