2023/24 Newcastle Jets Men's Squad

[Jeterpool]

Updated 10/7/23 following Apostolos Stamatelopoulos signing

Expiring at conclusion of NPL season
30 Noah James - signed until 2023 ^

Expiring 23/24
xx Ryan Scott - signed until 23/24* (assumed)
03 Jason Hoffman - signed until 23/24
06 Brandon O'Neill - signed until 23/24
07 Trent Buhagiar - signed until 23/24
10 Reno Piscopo - signed until 23/24
16 Kosta Grozos - signed until 23/24
18 Daniel Stynes - signed until 23/24
19 Callum Timmins - signed until 23/24
20 Michael Weier - signed until 23/24
22 Phillip Cancar - signed until 23/24
23 Mark Natta - signed until 23/24
xx Lucas Mauragis - signed until 23/24
25 Carl Jenkinson - signed until 23/24
xx Rory Jordan - signed until 23/24 - Loaned to APIA Leichardt
29 Thomas Aquilina - signed until 23/24
xx Lachlan Bayliss - signed until 23/24*
xx Clayton Taylor - signed until 23/24*
xx Daniel Wilmering - signed until 23/24 *

Expiring 24/25
02 Dane Ingham - signed until 24/25
26 Archie Goodwin - signed until 24/25
xx Jacob Dowse - signed until 24/25
xx Apostolos Stamatelopoulos - signed until 24/25

22 players signed for season
- 21 A-League squad players from possible 23

- # = 1 Visa spot (Jenkinson) from possible 5
- ^ = 1 Scholarships from possible 3
- 1 Player loaned out (Jordan at APIA Leichardt)
- * contract length has not been disclosed and it is believed this is the deal length
- Noah James youth contract signed until conclusion of 2023 NPL season. (https://twitter.com/JamesGardiner42/status/1673537071083044865)

Rumoured Incoming Players
None active

Rumoured Outgoing Players
None active

[MFKS]

How the **** did we give some of these posers multi year deals ??

[mic22]

I'd try to retain:
04 Manabu Saito
06 Matthew Jurman
18 Daniel Stynes
19 Callum Timmins
32 Angus Thurgate (only with a creative midfielder, which could be Piscopo or someone a la Penha)

Please please don't renew Ingham and Hoffman: top blokes, but we've seen enough.

[Frodo]

I'd try to retain:
04 Manabu Saito
06 Matthew Jurman
18 Daniel Stynes
19 Callum Timmins
32 Angus Thurgate (only with a creative midfielder, which could be Piscopo or someone a la Penha)

Please please don't renew Ingham and Hoffman: top blokes, but we've seen enough.

Think I heard Saito wasn't in the last squad because he already had his bags packed to head back home. That one didn't work out it seems.


Also, Thurgate is already gone too. Tho, it will just be interesting to see who he ended up signing for. WU were the strong favorites, but I still think Sydney have signed him already.

[Frodo]

I was hoping Jenkinson's deal was already up this year, that's a large chunk of money going to waste next season now.

Same with Duncan, although he's ok value as a backup GK at least. Either Weier needs to step up next season or we really need to find a decent starter and move one of those two on instead




Of the off contracts, there's nobody unreplaceable. Although personally I'd be ok with another deal for any of Al Taay, Grozos, Timmins and Stynes if we think we can get more out of them next season. They all weren't ever honkingly bad from memory and are young, cheap and keen to impress. Gives us more time to focus on fixing other areas without needing to replace half a squad.

[380]

Gus off to WU so he can enjoy huge crowds and the wonderful home ground facilities LOL.

[belchardo]

Gus off to WU so he can enjoy huge crowds and the wonderful home ground facilities LOL.

You have seen our crowds recently and home ground facilities right?

[Frodo]

Just read a piece about player retention and supposedly we offered deals to some of the key players leaving but couldn't match those from other clubs. He specifically said that the uncertainty over the clubs ownership was a factor in us losing out.

Not surprising. By I wanted to note it down so when we start signing all the rejects again, people will think it's down to poor scouting when in fact it's down to a weakened ability to negotiate as well as poor scouting.

[Mark325]

I wouldn’t be surprised if we resign a lot of our lower tier, cheap players with the goal to avoid another significant overhaul of the team. So your Grozos, Al-Taays etc are most likely nailed on for next year

[StannyCFCJET]

I wouldn’t be surprised if we resign a lot of our lower tier, cheap players with the goal to avoid another significant overhaul of the team. So your Grozos, Al-Taays etc are most likely nailed on for next year

Grozos and Al-Taay have earned new deals imo

[MFKS]

Grozos and Al-Taay have earned new deals imo

Based on what ??

None of them can hold down a spot in a side as shit as ours currently

Exactly what is it they have done to earn a new deal

[StannyCFCJET]

Based on what ??

None of them can hold down a spot in a side as shit as ours currently

Exactly what is it they have done to earn a new deal

Played well this season. Not their fault Papas is an idiot and favours crap senior played

[Jeterpool]

Based on what ??

None of them can hold down a spot in a side as shit as ours currently

Exactly what is it they have done to earn a new deal

Our best run came with Al-Taay at CDM. Things turned once O'Neill took his place.
Grozos was a consistent starter this year and can be a reasonable fill in for Piscopo.
I'd offer them a contract. They both aren't even 23 yet... plenty of room to grow

[Frodo]

Al Taay is the only midfielder we have that can comfortably play as a single pivot IMO. He's not the greatest player we've ever seen, but his ability to hold that middle of park meant Thurgate and Grozos/Beka 2.0 could actually help our with the attack for sustained periods. O'Neil can't play that role specifically as well. O'Neil is probably the better player overall but he limits our ability to play a certain system, one that worked for us over a short period.

It honestly seems like Pappas is trying to squeeze the 11 players that train the best/have the best abilities in his eyes/have playing minutes clauses in their contracts (lol if true) instead of finding the best fit for his system regardless of who ends up on the bench.


Hence why Jenkinson kept playing instead of Natta/Cancar, who are actual CBs by trade.

[Frodo]

People are going to hate me even more for this, but I would also be ok if we resigned Ingham, and wait to blow up until after you've read the whole thing, lol.



I think Ingham has a lot of positives, he also has lots of negatives tho, and could be utilized well in a better defence. He has good pace, so can cover mistakes by others by at least getting back in front and holding them up. He also has a terrific engine so there's no worries about a fresh winger coming on and outpacing him late in the game.

His negatives look so much worse when the CBs are basically traffic cones, because his eagerness to constantly get involved means his mistakes are always punished and always clearly visible. The amount of times this season Ingham has missed a ball (but one that a decent CB should have dealt with on some occasions I might add) and we've had nobody in the backline making sure attackers are marked up was way too many. Whenever we lose the ball close to our backline neither Jurman or Jenkinson were in the correct position to either mark an attacker or cover the space left open. Jenkinson in particular was completely useless in transition because he doesn't understand the role.


If we can get a partner for Natta that can talk and cope with the high ball, I genuinely think Ingham's issues could be dealt with and his ability to push up into midfield and help control the ball/attack will be worth it. Plus, he can do a job on either wing/wingback to help close out a game.

[StannyCFCJET]

People are going to hate me even more for this, but I would also be ok if we resigned Ingham, and wait to blow up until after you've read the whole thing, lol.



I think Ingham has a lot of positives, he also has lots of negatives tho, and could be utilized well in a better defence. He has good pace, so can cover mistakes by others by at least getting back in front and holding them up. He also has a terrific engine so there's no worries about a fresh winger coming on and outpacing him late in the game.

His negatives look so much worse when the CBs are basically traffic cones, because his eagerness to constantly get involved means his mistakes are always punished and always clearly visible. The amount of times this season Ingham has missed a ball (but one that a decent CB should have dealt with on some occasions I might add) and we've had nobody in the backline making sure attackers are marked up was way too many. Whenever we lose the ball close to our backline neither Jurman or Jenkinson were in the correct position to either mark an attacker or cover the space left open. Jenkinson in particular was completely useless in transition because he doesn't understand the role.


If we can get a partner for Natta that can talk and cope with the high ball, I genuinely think Ingham's issues could be dealt with and his ability to push up into midfield and help control the ball/attack will be worth it. Plus, he can do a job on either wing/wingback to help close out a game.

Ingham's problem is his none existent football IQ on and off the ball and his technique is one of the worst i've ever seen in a jets shirt, Basically your saying he has pace and thats it which if that is all were looking in a player then lets just move the Jets to an all age league

[380]

Ingham's problem is his none existent football IQ on and off the ball and his technique is one of the worst i've ever seen in a jets shirt, Basically your saying he has pace and thats it which if that is all were looking in a player then lets just move the Jets to an all age league

Nah, If you want blokes who are fast but can't play football just find another 9 Trent Buhagiars.

[Frodo]

Ingham's problem is his none existent football IQ on and off the ball and his technique is one of the worst i've ever seen in a jets shirt, Basically your saying he has pace and thats it which if that is all were looking in a player then lets just move the Jets to an all age league

I'm not saying he's a world beater, but he must have at least a little Football IQ because he was actually a very important part of Pappas ball when we were in good form, the problem is that he was also an important part of the problem when we were in bad form as well.

He is great as pushing inside, bedside the DM, which gives us a passing channel from GK straight past the press and on the attack quickly. Instead of going long or just wide, which are both easy to defend, your B2B mids take the opposition CMs towards their goal, which leaves Ingham free to receive a pass, he can then either pass to the CDM if needed or dribble the ball through open space and start the attack.



For all of our problems (and to put them into context we have moved from like 20 points away from finals before Pappas to 5 or 6 now) the one constantly great thing has been our ability to transition quickly and bypass whichever midfield setup an opponent uses against us. Ingham has been a part of that, and if we can find some way to limit his need to constantly try to win the ball in front of the backline (when usually a switched on CDM or CB should be dealing with it) he can be at absolute worst a good backup to both sides of defence AND an option on the wings if we don't need a goal.

Let's not forget we still need to replace 3 very key positions (CB, CM, ST) in our spine plus we have to start again with Visa players, all while the club should still be focused on finding buyers if possible. I don't trust the club to find a better replacement for everyone we let go unfortunately, Pappas is going to have to coach a few of them up a little instead.

Resigning a few of the players that have gotten us closer to finals football than last year should be ok so long as they aren't declining because of age or blocking the club from signing anybody better.

[Jeterpool]

People are going to hate me even more for this, but I would also be ok if we resigned Ingham, and wait to blow up until after you've read the whole thing, lol.



I think Ingham has a lot of positives, he also has lots of negatives tho, and could be utilized well in a better defence. He has good pace, so can cover mistakes by others by at least getting back in front and holding them up. He also has a terrific engine so there's no worries about a fresh winger coming on and outpacing him late in the game.

His negatives look so much worse when the CBs are basically traffic cones, because his eagerness to constantly get involved means his mistakes are always punished and always clearly visible. The amount of times this season Ingham has missed a ball (but one that a decent CB should have dealt with on some occasions I might add) and we've had nobody in the backline making sure attackers are marked up was way too many. Whenever we lose the ball close to our backline neither Jurman or Jenkinson were in the correct position to either mark an attacker or cover the space left open. Jenkinson in particular was completely useless in transition because he doesn't understand the role.


If we can get a partner for Natta that can talk and cope with the high ball, I genuinely think Ingham's issues could be dealt with and his ability to push up into midfield and help control the ball/attack will be worth it. Plus, he can do a job on either wing/wingback to help close out a game.

Ingham looked better further forward than he did as a left back. I think he will have earned another contract with us...if he isn't being pursued by other clubs.

The left back issue will/should be solved by Mauragis returning and the potential/reported signing of Dowse.

That begs the question - do we have Ingham there over say a Sotirio or Stynes (who is completely different to those two)? I think Jaush is better suited on the right personally.

[Jeterpool]

Thoughts on Aquilina so far? I haven't been overly impressed and had a much higher opinion of him watching him sporadically than I have every other week.

Certainly the initiator of us conceding a few of the end of season goals. Defensively he is getting done 1 on 1 a fair bit. But he can deliver a decent cross into the box.

[Jeterpool]

I'll be interested to see what style of striker we go for because for all his faults Beka was essentially anonymous this season.

Do we go for a taller target man or do we got for a player that can operate as a 9.5 and allow the primary attack through our wingers?

[Frodo]

Thoughts on Aquilina so far? I haven't been overly impressed and had a much higher opinion of him watching him sporadically than I have every other week.

Certainly the initiator of us conceding a few of the end of season goals. Defensively he is getting done 1 on 1 a fair bit. But he can deliver a decent cross into the box.

I thought he looked good on the ball at first and was hoping he would be a good pickup, and then he got exposed so badly against his old mates down the coast and I lost all faith in him instantly. I know it's only one game, but I need to see a hell of a lot better to forgive that performance.

[Jeterpool]

I thought he looked good on the ball at first and was hoping he would be a good pickup, and then he got exposed so badly against his old mates down the coast and I lost all faith in him instantly. I know it's only one game, but I need to see a hell of a lot better to forgive that performance.

Yeah that Silvera 1 on 1 was shocking (sidenote where the hell was THAT Silvera last season...) and he was done again for the first Sydney goal too.

Plenty of work.

[MFKS]

Thoughts on Aquilina so far? I haven't been overly impressed and had a much higher opinion of him watching him sporadically than I have every other week.

Certainly the initiator of us conceding a few of the end of season goals. Defensively he is getting done 1 on 1 a fair bit. But he can deliver a decent cross into the box.

He makes a lot of last second diving in challenges

Most of the time he gets it bang on

Against the Gypos he got caught out on the night and looked woeful. If he had a centre back coming over to assist him at times ie not Jenkinson he gets away with it

Unfortunately Jenkinson was sound asleep to covering him and left him high and dry all night

I don't think he is as bad as some think. Just had a shit game and got no support from his teammates that night

[Jeterpool]

He makes a lot of last second diving in challenges

Most of the time he gets it bang on

Against the Gypos he got caught out on the night and looked woeful. If he had a centre back coming over to assist him at times ie not Jenkinson he gets away with it

Unfortunately Jenkinson was sound asleep to covering him and left him high and dry all night

I don't think he is as bad as some think. Just had a shit game and got no support from his teammates that night

I also think our slow ball movement nullifies his attacking qualities. If we got it out to him quicker I think we would be seeing something different.

The plodding around at the back really irritated me in the latter part of the season. If that's what we are going to be doing we need to become much, much better at breaking down a set defense.

[StannyCFCJET]

Can't believe anyone thinks Ingham did anything performance wise to warrant a new contract. Have our standards really fallen that low?

[Alton]

Ingham needs to go, he is no better than a local NPL right back

[StannyCFCJET]

Ingham needs to go, he is no better than a local NPL right back

Amen

[380]

Ingham needs to go, he is no better than a local NPL right back

This and take Aqualina with him. Pub standard both of them

[Jeterpool]

Can't believe anyone thinks Ingham did anything performance wise to warrant a new contract. Have our standards really fallen that low?


Ingham needs to go, he is no better than a local NPL right back

If I may clarify (not saying the above comments were specifically at me), when I say he looked better further forward it was in comparison to him at LB, which wasn't great. Maybe I should have said "less bad".

And when I say I think he will have earned a contract, I think the club will re-sign him - look at it objectively he played consistently for the season each and every week. I personally wouldn't be signing him again however.

I was trying to anticipate what the club will do.

[Jeterpool]

The end of season awards are tonight. I expect announcements to start happening either tonight or by Friday.

I don't know who is staying or going but for what it's worth I have provided the club a summary on each of the players with expiring contracts (performances, goals, debuts, records they hold, etc). That was at my own initiative, not their request.

[Frodo]

Can't believe anyone thinks Ingham did anything performance wise to warrant a new contract. Have our standards really fallen that low?

Show me a player, who we have a chance of signing, who's an improvement on Ingham then? I'd love to improve on him, I just don't think we would be able to given al the other more important positions we need to replace/improve on first.



I'm not saying he played well, I'm just saying I've seen enough in him that he could be a useful player next season IF we can find a pair of CBs that can actually do their jobs. You need to acknowledge that Ingham had to play with one of the worst CB pairings we've ever had and specifically beside one of the worst CBs I've ever witnessed in Jenkinson. I'd be much happier writing Ingham off if he looked this bad in an A League quality backline.

[Mark325]

I have a feeling we're about to enter a period of time akin to what Perth Glory has been going through these past few seasons, focusing mostly on younger players coming up and almost no established players apart from the ones we already have, and to be honest I'd be all for it.

If we can splash any cash I'd say focus on getting a great CB, CM and ST in, and then give players like Natta, Cancar, Dowse, Mauragis, Goodwin, Timmins, Stynes etc. the reigns this season to perform and see what happens.

[Jeterpool]

Show me a player, who we have a chance of signing, who's an improvement on Ingham then? I'd love to improve on him, I just don't think we would be able to given al the other more important positions we need to replace/improve on first.



I'm not saying he played well, I'm just saying I've seen enough in him that he could be a useful player next season IF we can find a pair of CBs that can actually do their jobs. You need to acknowledge that Ingham had to play with one of the worst CB pairings we've ever had and specifically beside one of the worst CBs I've ever witnessed in Jenkinson. I'd be much happier writing Ingham off if he looked this bad in an A League quality backline.

Happy to share my view. I think we have a similar player, and one who I feel is better, in Mauragis. Mauragis could play the role Ingham currently is. Otherwise, he could be out left back and allow us a player on the left like Stynes did earlier this season (think vs Western United in Geelong).

It's a shame we no longer see who is available or out of contract. When club's start announcing their releases that will give us an idea who may be on the market.

[StannyCFCJET]

I have a feeling we're about to enter a period of time akin to what Perth Glory has been going through these past few seasons, focusing mostly on younger players coming up and almost no established players apart from the ones we already have, and to be honest I'd be all for it.

If we can splash any cash I'd say focus on getting a great CB, CM and ST in, and then give players like Natta, Cancar, Dowse, Mauragis, Goodwin, Timmins, Stynes etc. the reigns this season to perform and see what happens.

Younger players? Not under Papas

[matty]

Speaking of which, D Ingham player of the year.... stick a fork in it we are done!

[380]

Speaking of which, D Ingham player of the year.... stick a fork in it we are done!

Yep, That says everything about this club and where its at FFS. Just when you thought shit couldn't get any more comical.

[Mark325]

Well Frodo is gonna be bang on about us keeping Ingham then

[mic22]

Speaking of which, D Ingham player of the year.... stick a fork in it we are done!

This bloke surely has pictures of all the coaching staff.

Easily the worst player this season, but played consistently for whatever reason. As someone pointed out, says a lot about the club's standards.

[MFKS]

Can't believe anyone thinks Ingham did anything performance wise to warrant a new contract. Have our standards really fallen that low?

Yet you are advocating that we resign Grozos and AlTaay

2 guys who can't hold down a spot in the side

Yet are reluctant to resign a player who at least holds down a spot in our side every week

What sort of standards are you offering??

[Frodo]

Oh jeez, now I'm definitely in trouble. Please don't blame me for Dane winning the award, all I said was that I wouldn't be disappointed if we resigned him! Lol.

[Macca]

I was initially surprised too. But honestly, are there even any better candidates? I struggled to come up with a name I'd put forward. At least he did play every week like others have said.

[mic22]

I thought it was about the quality, not the quantity.

[StannyCFCJET]

Yet you are advocating that we resign Grozos and AlTaay

2 guys who can't hold down a spot in the side

Yet are reluctant to resign a player who at least holds down a spot in our side every week

What sort of standards are you offering??

They both showed form Ingham can only dream of. And we've already mentioned Papas being bias to senior players

[Frodo]

They both showed form Ingham can only dream of. And we've already mentioned Papas being bias to senior players

You've mentioned it... Many times. The only youth player swho didn't get a fair shake was Natta instead of Jenkinson/Jurman and Al Taay over O'Neil. But honestly, O'Neil is the better player so really it's only Natta.

The other younger guys not getting a game were competing with players their own age like Sotirio or Buhagiar for starting spots.

[Frodo]

I was initially surprised too. But honestly, are there even any better candidates? I struggled to come up with a name I'd put forward. At least he did play every week like others have said.

Yeah, the other players who had locked in their spots (Thurgate, Beka, O'Neil) all had very bad seasons by their own standards. And the guys like Piscopo who had a higher peak were super inconsistent and struggled to stay in the team.


Realistically the only suitable options who played the majority of the games and actually played to their level or above were Dane, Sotirio and maybe Buhagiar. Our spine had a below average year, which is the reason we didn't make the finals, you can't do much in football when your spine is off unfortunately.

[Macca]

Yeah, the other players who had locked in their spots (Thurgate, Beka, O'Neil) all had very bad seasons by their own standards. And the guys like Piscopo who had a higher peak were super inconsistent and struggled to stay in the team.


Realistically the only suitable options who played the majority of the games and actually played to their level or above were Dane, Sotirio and maybe Buhagiar. Our spine had a below average year, which is the reason we didn't make the finals, you can't do much in football when your spine is off unfortunately.

Piscopo probably looked like our "best" player - but between injuries and form, I would guess he only looked "good" for roughly 1/4 of the season?
Jurman had a pretty decent second half of the campaign.
O'Neill looked good before the injury (which was pretty early from memory)

Tbh if Natta had played the whole season he would probably have my vote. The first and last quarters when he was played, he looked like a bright spot.

[Frodo]

Piscopo probably looked like our "best" player - but between injuries and form, I would guess he only looked "good" for roughly 1/4 of the season?
Jurman had a pretty decent second half of the campaign.
O'Neill looked good before the injury (which was pretty early from memory)

Tbh if Natta had played the whole season he would probably have my vote. The first and last quarters when he was played, he looked like a bright spot.

Bon and I both said exactly the same. Natta was the bright spark of the season and looked a cut above when he played. But for whatever reason he couldn't get a start after that injury.

I reckon we would have been a lock for 7th place, maybe even snuck into the 6, if Natta had played all season at CB.

[StannyCFCJET]

You've mentioned it... Many times. The only youth player swho didn't get a fair shake was Natta instead of Jenkinson/Jurman and Al Taay over O'Neil. But honestly, O'Neil is the better player so really it's only Natta.

The other younger guys not getting a game were competing with players their own age like Sotirio or Buhagiar for starting spots.

Stynes looked good and he's a younger player. I would've given Cancar a run as well and let's not even get started on the lies about Goodwin and the Muragis debacle

[MFKS]

Bon and I both said exactly the same. Natta was the bright spark of the season and looked a cut above when he played. But for whatever reason he couldn't get a start after that injury.

I reckon we would have been a lock for 7th place, maybe even snuck into the 6, if Natta had played all season at CB.

I would offer we looked a lot worse defensively the second Jenkinson was moved from right back to centre back

We looked better when Natta and Jurman were in the centre

[Frodo]

Stynes looked good and he's a younger player. I would've given Cancar a run as well and let's not even get started on the lies about Goodwin and the Muragis debacle

I haven't seen any lies about Goodwin or Mauragis. Goodwin didn't train, so wasn't ready to play. He trained the next week and was given a start. Then subbed off when he was cooked. Mauragis was on loan, not sure how he could have started for us this season.

I really hope Mauragis is our LB next season tho. He didn't lock down the LB role at the Nix, but they were a level above us so hopefully he can come back here and start every game.

If we can sign a decent quality, experienced CB to play with Natta, start Lucas at LB and get Jenkinson back to decent form at RB we would have an A League quality backline.

[Jeterpool]

Bon and I both said exactly the same. Natta was the bright spark of the season and looked a cut above when he played. But for whatever reason he couldn't get a start after that injury.

I reckon we would have been a lock for 7th place, maybe even snuck into the 6, if Natta had played all season at CB.

I concur

[Jeterpool]

I really hope Mauragis is our LB next season tho. He didn't lock down the LB role at the Nix, but they were a level above us so hopefully he can come back here and start every game.

If we can sign a decent quality, experienced CB to play with Natta, start Lucas at LB and get Jenkinson back to decent form at RB we would have an A League quality backline.

It remains to be seen, but i'm not confident we can play both Cancar and Natta together next season (getting in before it's mentioned). At 20ish (or early 20's) are either going to adept at vocally controlling and organising the backline? An experienced CB is a must - and I think it will likely be Jurman again. He's the captain and he played in a generally consistent manner last year. That leans towards Cancar starting at CB and not Natta.

The year we didn't have a vocal presence we got the spoon, we then paid for Boogaard and started to have that sorted.

[Macca]

I would offer we looked a lot worse defensively the second Jenkinson was moved from right back to centre back

We looked better when Natta and Jurman were in the centre

Did Natta and Jurman even play/start together as a central pairing?

I remember Natta and Elsey early in the season.

I thought Jenkinson was even worse defensively at RB than at CB to be honest. I thought for the most part he did OK at CB (although still had some egregious errors) and did at least give us a ball playing option which is required when partnering Jurman.

I admittedly haven't followed Mauragis at all this season, when he was with us I thought he was fine to good going forward but really poor defensively, which is the sort of thing people have been slamming Ingham, Aquilina for (and I'm branding Jenkinson in that manner too). Is he really going to solve our problems at LB if he's another guy who is good going forward and a liability in defense? McGarry was the same again, he was decent going forward. I have to assume that trade was made because he was seen as the same sort of player as Mauragis, and there was no point having both here next season.

edit: I'll add, I'd be happy to pencil Natta in at LB for next season if he can't find a starting spot in the centre based on his last few games.

[Jeterpool]

Did Natta and Jurman even play/start together as a central pairing?

I remember Natta and Elsey early in the season.

I thought Jenkinson was even worse defensively at RB than at CB to be honest. I thought for the most part he did OK at CB (although still had some egregious errors) and did at least give us a ball playing option which is required when partnering Jurman.

I admittedly haven't followed Mauragis at all this season, when he was with us I thought he was fine to good going forward but really poor defensively, which is the sort of thing people have been slamming Ingham, Aquilina for (and I'm branding Jenkinson in that manner too). Is he really going to solve our problems at LB if he's another guy who is good going forward and a liability in defense? McGarry was the same again, he was decent going forward. I have to assume that trade was made because he was seen as the same sort of player as Mauragis, and there was no point having both here next season.

edit: I'll add, I'd be happy to pencil Natta in at LB for next season if he can't find a starting spot in the centre based on his last few games.

They did in our second match (rd 3 v Wellington at Home - 3-1 Win), 3rd match (rd 4 v Wanderers - 0-2 loss), 6th match (Rd 7 v CCM - 2-1 Win), 7th match (Rd 8 v Roar - 0-1 Loss). Round 12 is when Natta fell out of the team and returned off the bench for 5 minutes in Rd 14.. They didn't start together centrally for the rest of the season.

[Frodo]

I feel like we are a team perfectly suited to a back 3. We have more wingbacks than fullbacks, our CBs are not ideally suited to a high line and our midfield is not exactly sorted yet.

GK
Jenkinson, new CB, Natta
Ingham,Aquilina or Mauragis at wingback.
2 man midfield with O'Neil and either Grozos/Stynes/Timmins or a new signing.
3 forwards who don't need to track back wide BUT a striker who can drop deep to collect and help create.

Piscopo, Stynes, Buhagiar, Sotirio could all play as wide forwards, even Archie could play out there, however we would 100% need to find the right Striker to make this sort of system work.

[StannyCFCJET]

I haven't seen any lies about Goodwin or Mauragis. Goodwin didn't train, so wasn't ready to play. He trained the next week and was given a start. Then subbed off when he was cooked. Mauragis was on loan, not sure how he could have started for us this season.

I really hope Mauragis is our LB next season tho. He didn't lock down the LB role at the Nix, but they were a level above us so hopefully he can come back here and start every game.

If we can sign a decent quality, experienced CB to play with Natta, start Lucas at LB and get Jenkinson back to decent form at RB we would have an A League quality backline.

Mustve missed all the stuff about Goodwins body only being able to handle more then 10-15 mins for the back half of the season and needing surgery then bam he starts.

[anfield]

I watched a fair bit of the Jets this year, I really don't think we were as bad as some are making them out to be. The biggest problem was obviously goals and if we converted more of our chances it would have taken pressure off other areas of the park.

We do have alot of players of similar quality, so deciding who stays and who goes isn't straight forward. Ingham winning player of the year indicates that he should be resigned. Sort of makes the award a joke if he isn't offered a contract. For mine Natta looked superb as a left back, I wouldn't be changing that. Ingham is your right back, won't score enough goals up the park.

For mine striker is the big one, along with a left winger. We need goals.
And I guess we wait to see what happens with Thurgate.

[Frodo]

Mustve missed all the stuff about Goodwins body only being able to handle more then 10-15 mins for the back half of the season and needing surgery then bam he starts.

You just misunderstood and confused two separate statements together.

He hadn't trained during the week leading up to the derby, so he was only going to be good for 15 mins of impact. Pappas said he didn't play him because once we went down to 10 men he would have needed to work twice as hard and I assume they were worried he wouldn't even last that long.

Then the following week he was able to train, so Pappas let him start and go as long as his body would last.

The surgery was known about before the season started, so obviously they were extra mindful to not kill the kid knowing he had surgery and a long pre season on the horizon. But the surgery wasn't the reason he didn't play in the derby.

[Mark325]

Dane Ingham has been signed for 2 years

[380]

Dane Ingham has been signed for 2 years

Quoted as pleased to be signing a 2yr deal, Will keep the stat man busy keeping count of the turnovers.

[MFKS]

Dane Ingham has been signed for 2 years

Two mure years of mediocrity coming up

[My2BobsWorth]

Probably mure

[turbojetfireV8]

Probably mure

is there an 'an' missing from that...

[Jeterpool]

Beka, Thurgate, Saito and Al-Taay departure confirmed

[Mark325]

Beka, Thurgate, Saito and Al-Taay departure confirmed

No real shocks there even though I thought we would keep Al-Taay.

curious to see how many more we move on this off season or if the plan is to minimise the amount of movement and keep the team somewhat similar for the first time in a while

[Jeterpool]

It will... but we've arguable removed two massive cogs of the machine in Beka and Gus.

Beka rumoured to be heading to the Bulls

[My2BobsWorth]

is there an 'an' missing from that...

Took me a while but very good

[380]

It will... but we've arguable removed two massive cogs of the machine in Beka and Gus.

Beka rumoured to be heading to the Bulls

Beka to the Bulls, Pretty sure its not to play in front of huge crowds

[plague]

The **** was that email the Jets sent?

Oh we tried so hard to keep Angus but he wants to live in a city with skyscrapers and flying cars........

My God what desperate low rent drivel.

Hes left, see ya, whos next.

I actually have respect for the bloke because he realised he was never gonna be Stu or Jobe so he should go to another shit**** club who have never had royalty like Stu and Jobe so he can stand out.

Surprised the email didnt start the desperate dance the club does to convince me to re-up my tickets for next year. Just give me the bpay details im there straight away Middleby the **** else i have to do these days.

[MFKS]

The **** was that email the Jets sent?

Oh we tried so hard to keep Angus but he wants to live in a city with skyscrapers and flying cars........

My God what desperate low rent drivel.

Hes left, see ya, whos next.

I actually have respect for the bloke because he realised he was never gonna be Stu or Jobe so he should go to another shit**** club who have never had royalty like Stu and Jobe so he can stand out.

Surprised the email didnt start the desperate dance the club does to convince me to re-up my tickets for next year. Just give me the bpay details im there straight away Middleby the **** else i have to do these days.

It was amusing how they came up with that cock n bull shit story to avoid saying the reality

We are shit and he don't want to play for a shit club any more

I got no problem with that

Why would you stay to play with guys like Ingham Hoffman Sotirio and Burhagier??

[MFKS]

Beka, Thurgate, Saito and Al-Taay departure confirmed

But reading between the lines Hoffman ain't being released as there ain't no tribute to him etc

So expect the club to announce soon his resigning which shows what a joke we are that we offered him a new contract

[380]

This club has never been in such worse hands than the current bloke they call boss in the front office. He ran the NRL for 5mins and has been milking that on his Resume ever since just like our coach and his putting out Anges cones on his. Two pretenders looking out for each other.

[Maito Mitch]

we understand that his focus is on international opportunities, and if these don?t come in the short term, the ability to experience living in one of Australia?s big cities.

I have never heard a more pathetic sentence from a football club. It's not even a comment from someone with a microphone in their face in the moment.

They actually put thought into that and typed it and released it in a statement.

That right there folks is the position our club is in. No one wants to be here. He's just making excuses to get outta the place

Good on him, I don't blame him. Hope he enjoys the tall buildings

[riverboy]

I have never heard a more pathetic sentence from a football club. It's not even a comment from someone with a microphone in their face in the moment.

They actually put thought into that and typed it and released it in a statement.

That right there folks is the position our club is in. No one wants to be here. He's just making excuses to get outta the place

Good on him, I don't blame him. Hope he enjoys the tall buildings

I tend to agree that's the weirdest comment I have heard from a club for while.

The truth is Thurgate has probably been told 'This year will be different ' for the last 3 years. He simply can't see the jets making the finals in the next year or 2. To go with that Graham Arnold has continually overlooked him for the Olyroos. Maybe to get noticed you have to play for Central Coast, Sydney or Adelaide?

End of the day, it needs to be next man up.

[Jeterpool]

But reading between the lines Hoffman ain't being released as there ain't no tribute to him etc

So expect the club to announce soon his resigning

Reading the tea leaves I expect the same.

[anfield]

I thought Al-Taay went alright, He played alot more this year then last year. Wonder if he decided to look elsewhere or he was shown the door?

[My2BobsWorth]

This club has never been in such worse hands than the current bloke they call boss in the front office. He ran the NRL for 5mins and has been milking that on his Resume ever since just like our coach and his putting out Anges cones on his. Two pretenders looking out for each other.

My thoughts exactly 380. As for Gus, an average player at best, Beka, never been much good. New coach, new management is the way

[MFKS]

Great news

We have released Sotirio to take up an opportunity in Asia

Now only got another 15 others to release

[Mark325]

Great news

We have released Sotirio to take up an opportunity in Asia

Now only got another 15 others to release

we've also signed Jacob Dowse for 2 years and have confired we will have Mauragis on board for next year

[anfield]

If the Jets sign a Australian striker I reckon it could be Pat Wood, Off contract at seasons end.

[Frodo]

If the Jets sign a Australian striker I reckon it could be Pat Wood, Off contract at seasons end.

Wood is a good shout for us, although I wonder if he's young enough to be happy on a bench at a better run club instead of risking it just for game time here.


I'm just terrified that Juric is also available.

[Bon]

I'm just terrified that Juric is also available.

Oh please no!!
(And he is just the sort of signing this basketcase of a club would think is a great move)

[Frodo]

Front 3 of Juric, Troisi and Kruse!! All off contract, all not deserving of a new one, absolutely perfect for us. Lmao

[plague]

If Middleby doesnt sign Juric just to annoy the good member then why bother even having a football club in this city?

[My2BobsWorth]

If the Jets sign a Australian striker I reckon it could be Pat Wood, Off contract at seasons end.

Don't like his hair, no

[My2BobsWorth]

Krishna is free but seems to want wello as first choice

[380]

Thought there was talk of Kusini Yengi, Would make sense to have another of Lederers Wanderers who can't make it down there as a regular starter. Seems to be our modus operandi that A & A have in place.

[pv4]

We should get Steve UG back

[anfield]

We should get Steve UG back

Can't see them having both Steve UG and O'Neil.

[StannyCFCJET]

We should get Steve UG back
Gone to city

[anfield]

Terry Antonis released by Wanderers and looking for a new club. I can see the Jets making a play.

Andy Pengelly is a striker that has scored truckloads of goals in the QLD NPL for a few years now. Only 25, Would like to see an A League club give him a go. The jets could be that team.

[Couscous]

Gone to city

This really sucks the root.

[My2BobsWorth]

I'm very happy he's gone to City, as long as it's not us

[anfield]

Jack Duncan mutually released, Good move I reckon as it will free up some money. Duncan was very solid most of the time, But had a bad period this year with the crosses. Weir finished the season as undisputed Number 1, Duncan had to make a move.

[belchardo]

Agreed. I feel like he always worked hard for us and wish him well.

[belchardo]

And we've signed Ryan Scott to replace him. I've never seen him in action, from Western United.

[StannyCFCJET]

Was good before he left under Merrick, terrible on his return. Best move for both parties

[Mark325]

Jurmans gone

[belchardo]

I hope we are choosing to release/not resign rather than them choosing not to stay. I'm glad we're moving a few people along though.

[MFKS]

Any chance we can get rid of Hoffman and Ingham while we are cleaning the house ??

[My2BobsWorth]

Looks like they signed Hoff just to piss you off:roflz:

[mic22]

Any chance we can get rid of Hoffman and Ingham while we are cleaning the house ??

Release the player of the year?
He will be captain next season.

As for Hoffman, I'm sure he's a great team player and leader, if he's cheap I have nothing against him staying, with occasional appearances on the bench.
When he gets regular starts though, it makes you wonder about the coach's choices and/or the overall quality of the roster.

[anfield]

Big 2 weeks ahead I reckon for signings, I can see 3 in very soon.

Late April I said we should sign 3 or 4 from Sydney FC's youth team. I stand by that, I'm all for local talent but I'm not sure if we have that ready to go.

Clayton Taylor is a good Winger, Sounds like he is on his way. I would sign Nathan Paull to replace Jurman. Good left footed centre back. The rumours are he is on his way to the Mariners, let's get in first.

Oscar Priestman is a good midfielder, bring him in to replace Thurgate. Again rumours are he is on his way to the wanderers.

I have no problem with Hoffman as a squadie.

If we wanted another local, Jacob Cresnar would have been a good back up left back. Been playing well for Sydney Olympic. But sounds like we might have the wanderers guy coming to compete with Mauragis for the left back spot. Personally I rated Natta there, I thought he looked really good there.

[belchardo]

I hope we make a bid for Mbappe

[Frodo]

I hope we make a bid for Mbappe

We've already got Buhagiar and Sotirio for the wings. Don't need him.

[MFKS]

We've already got Buhagiar and Sotirio for the wings. Don't need him.

No we don't

We are already rid of Sotirio

[Frodo]

No we don't

We are already rid of Sotirio

Oh, well maybe we do need Mbappe then.

[Jeterpool]

I hope we make a bid for Mbappe

But it isn't Mango season...

[Frodo]

Daniel Wilmering and Clayton Taylor signed. Supposedly Taylor is a bit of a jewel in Sydney's academy, but it's still a big step up to first team football so we will see how he goes.

We've got a lot of defenders but very few attackers so far.

[Mark325]

We've got a lot of defenders but very few attackers so far.

Yes and no, depends how Papas views them. Mauragis has been used as a winger at our club a lot, and I wouldn’t be shocked if that continues, and in the back end of the season Papas used Ingham as a winger, which may also be how he’s viewing him going forward instead of as a RB, which already balanced out our attack and defence numbers substantially

[Jeterpool]

Post on twitter, quoting Robert Dillon, saying Noah James won't be back for Pre-Season and has been released

[belchardo]

Grozos has signed on for another year.

[StannyCFCJET]

Grozos has signed on for another year.

Happy with this, He really improved last year

[belchardo]

Aaaaaaaaand we've re-signed Hoffman for another year

[MFKS]

Aaaaaaaaand we've re-signed Hoffman for another year

Honestly fold the ****ing club

[The Postman]

Just sign everyone to 1 year deals so when we get a new Coach every year they sign their squad.

No point waiting 2 years to sack them.

[Frodo]

Jurman off to Macarthur to play with A League legend Daniel Sturridge this season.

First player to play for all Sydney teams. Only has Palm Tree FC to complete all of NSW. I'll give the A League props, it's stance on recycling is absolutely top notch.

[belchardo]

Bayliss and stynes both signed up for 1 year.

We going to have any players that will be able to get into the post-match pub without their parents?

[Bremsstrahlung]

Jurman off to Macarthur to play with A League legend Daniel Sturridge this season.

First player to play for all Sydney teams. Only has Palm Tree FC to complete all of NSW. I'll give the A League props, it's stance on recycling is absolutely top notch.

Not sure but is that recycling looking logo the aleague new logo?! Or is it just us being self deprecating

[The Dunster]

Has Archie been traded to Sydney FC yet?

[Jeterpool]

Updated 28/6/23 - Stynes and Bayliss signatures

Expiring at conclusion of NPL season
30 Noah James - signed until 2023 ^

Expiring 23/24
xx Ryan Scott - signed until 23/24 (assumed)
03 Jason Hoffman - signed until 23/24
06 Brandon O'Neill - signed until 23/24
07 Trent Buhagiar - signed until 23/24
10 Reno Piscopo - signed until 23/24
16 Kosta Grozos - signed until 23/24
18 Daniel Stynes - signed until 23/24
19 Callum Timmins - signed until 23/24
20 Michael Weier - signed until 23/24
22 Phillip Cancar - signed until 23/24
23 Mark Natta - signed until 23/24
xx Lucas Mauragis - signed until 23/24
25 Carl Jenkinson - signed until 23/24
xx Rory Jordan - signed until 23/24 - Loaned to APIA Leichardt
29 Thomas Aquilina - signed until 23/24
xx Lachlan Bayliss - signed until 23/24*
xx Clayton Taylor - signed until 23/24*
xx Daniel Wilmering - signed until 23/24 *

Expiring 24/25
02 Dane Ingham - signed until 24/25
26 Archie Goodwin - signed until 24/25
xx Jacob Dowse - signed until 24/25

21 players signed for season
- 20 A-League squad players from possible 23

- # = 1 Visa spot (Jenkinson) from possible 5
- ^ = 1 Scholarships from possible 3
- 1 Player loaned out (Jordan at APIA Leichardt)
- * contract length has not been disclosed and it is believed this is the deal length
- Noah James youth contract signed until conclusion of 2023 NPL season. (https://twitter.com/JamesGardiner42/status/1673537071083044865)

Rumoured Incoming Players
Kusini Yengi - Striker (WSW) Now rumoured to be heading overseas.

Rumoured Outgoing Players

3 spots remain as reported.

I wonder if Bayliss and Taylor could be changed to Scholarship contracts to increase possible 2 spots. Don't fully understand contract structuring anymore. I can't locate clear guidelines and regulations like I previously could when A-League was under the FFA.

[Macca]

In general I'm happier to see us sign "prospects" from NPL and academies than late 20's squad level players.
If we're just going to be an average team, at least be an average team giving players a shot who may then have some desire and motivation because of that - rather than this being someone's 4th A-League club and just stopping by for a year or two going through the motions.

[380]

3 spots remain as reported.

I wonder if Bayliss and Taylor could be changed to Scholarship contracts to increase possible 2 spots. Don't fully understand contract structuring anymore. I can't locate clear guidelines and regulations like I previously could when A-League was under the FFA.

Also aren't clubs required to spend a min amount of the cap, 90% or thereabouts ?.

[Jeterpool]

Also aren't clubs required to spend a min amount of the cap, 90% or thereabouts ?.

That used to be the case. I'm unsure anymore because finding reliable information is tough. Belchardo was always the one who managed to dig that sort of information out.

[Mark325]

The biggest thing we are missing atm is an actual striker and another high-quality CB. If both of the next two signings fill these gaps I'll honestly be feeling better about this team than I have in previous years because at least it's filled with some potentially interesting players instead of a load of has beens

[Alton]

Agree

[anfield]

3 spots remain as reported.

I wonder if Bayliss and Taylor could be changed to Scholarship contracts to increase possible 2 spots. Don't fully understand contract structuring anymore. I can't locate clear guidelines and regulations like I previously could when A-League was under the FFA.

I think these guys have come to try an earn A League field time. With this they will be on minimum contracts around $70,000. I don't think anyone would want to sign for apprentice wages of what the scholarship contracts are.

[Jeterpool]

The biggest thing we are missing atm is an actual striker and another high-quality CB. If both of the next two signings fill these gaps I'll honestly be feeling better about this team than I have in previous years because at least it's filled with some potentially interesting players instead of a load of has beens

With the loss of Boogaard and NTS, we needed to bring in someone like Jurman to organise the defence - a real talker. We needed that gap addressed back when we brought Boogaard in from Adelaide because we leaked goals so easily that season because nobody spoke in the defense.

Stanton will no doubt be waiting to see if someone can step in to those shoes in terms of organising the backline. Duncan was always very vocal as a keeper - I don't specifically recalling if Weier is and no idea on Scott. If Natta and/or Cancar, who are both very young, can do it then great. Will Jenkinson be able to? I have doubts but I'll be watching.

[Jeterpool]

Something else interesting to watch is if Jenkinson will be back here for the match against Victory.

Is he on social media? Has he been posting photos that indicate if he's in Australia or not? It's a long off season to be out here if we lose and don't have any real competitive matches until October.

[380]

Competitive matches, Pretty sure the other teams have already banked the points.

[Hunter403]

Jeez, our squad is uninspiring

[Bremsstrahlung]

I enjoy the number of players off contract this season.
Very little $$ tied up with Ingham, Goodwin and Dowse for 24/25 (bloody hell, talking about 2025….)

Means that fresh start is easier to come by.
Previously I feel like we’ve always had GK or CBs or some vital positions signed for too long.

As was mentioned, I’m happier watching a bunch of NPL prospects than has beens and other clubs’ castaways.
Need to moneyball this club.

[My2BobsWorth]

I'd like to see him back but how injured is he?

[My2BobsWorth]

https://keepup.com.au/news/a-league-transfers-daniel-penha-kayla-morrison-bailey-wright/

[belchardo]

https://keepup.com.au/news/a-league-transfers-daniel-penha-kayla-morrison-bailey-wright/

I look forward to seeing him in red and black or sky blue next season

[anfield]

If the Jets sign a Australian striker I reckon it could be Pat Wood, Off contract at seasons end.

I got that one wrong, Wood resigned with Sydney for 2 more years.

James Donachie and Alex Parsons released from Sydney. I'm sure Donachie would have interest among A League clubs, although he might end up in India too.

[Jetmaster]

Something else interesting to watch is if Jenkinson will be back here for the match against Victory.

Is he on social media? Has he been posting photos that indicate if he's in Australia or not? It's a long off season to be out here if we lose and don't have any real competitive matches until October.

He is at training.....

1829

[belchardo]

Yengi has signed for Portsmouth. I'd like to thank them for preventing us signing him.

[Alton]

Penha to Western United

[My2BobsWorth]

Herald saying they are among several clubs interested, we are too poor

[MFKS]

Apostolos Stamatelopoulos has been signed

Fantastic news and I am now so excited that a guy who wasn't good enough for us a couple of years ago has returned to be our saviour this year

FMD

How much we paying for the spoon ??

[380]

17 Games 1 assist last club

Kind of typifies where the club is at and the financial support the club is being afforded.

When you look at the quality of the squad being assembled they should have just folded the shit show.

[My2BobsWorth]

I'm sure the members would return if they were treated like gold 380, but they are treated like shit. The management has continued to listen to facebook. If you base the club on facebook, then you better well hope that facebook turns up. Which they won't

[anfield]

17 Games 1 assist last club

Kind of typifies where the club is at and the financial support the club is being afforded.

When you look at the quality of the squad being assembled they should have just folded the shit show.

I certainly didn't see this move coming. He didn't play great minutes in those 17 minutes. At 24 , I think he has probably made the move for more game time.

[Hunter403]

Apostolos Stamatelopoulos has been signed

Fantastic news and I am now so excited that a guy who wasn't good enough for us a couple of years ago has returned to be our saviour this year

FMD

How much we paying for the spoon ??

Couldn't say it any better.

Disgrace.

[My2BobsWorth]

Everyone deserves a second chance , even the memba:tongue:

[Jeterpool]

Post 1 updated


Updated 10/7/23 following Apostolos Stamatelopoulos signing

Expiring at conclusion of NPL season
30 Noah James - signed until 2023 ^

Expiring 23/24
xx Ryan Scott - signed until 23/24* (assumed)
03 Jason Hoffman - signed until 23/24
06 Brandon O'Neill - signed until 23/24
07 Trent Buhagiar - signed until 23/24
10 Reno Piscopo - signed until 23/24
16 Kosta Grozos - signed until 23/24
18 Daniel Stynes - signed until 23/24
19 Callum Timmins - signed until 23/24
20 Michael Weier - signed until 23/24
22 Phillip Cancar - signed until 23/24
23 Mark Natta - signed until 23/24
xx Lucas Mauragis - signed until 23/24
25 Carl Jenkinson - signed until 23/24
xx Rory Jordan - signed until 23/24 - Loaned to APIA Leichardt
29 Thomas Aquilina - signed until 23/24
xx Lachlan Bayliss - signed until 23/24*
xx Clayton Taylor - signed until 23/24*
xx Daniel Wilmering - signed until 23/24 *

Expiring 24/25
02 Dane Ingham - signed until 24/25
26 Archie Goodwin - signed until 24/25
xx Jacob Dowse - signed until 24/25
xx Apostolos Stamatelopoulos - signed until 24/25

21 players signed for season
- 20 A-League squad players from possible 23

- # = 1 Visa spot (Jenkinson) from possible 5
- ^ = 1 Scholarships from possible 3
- 1 Player loaned out (Jordan at APIA Leichardt)
- * contract length has not been disclosed and it is believed this is the deal length
- Noah James youth contract signed until conclusion of 2023 NPL season. (https://twitter.com/JamesGardiner42/status/1673537071083044865)

Rumoured Incoming Players
Kusini Yengi - Striker (WSW) Now rumoured to be heading overseas.

Rumoured Outgoing Players

[380]

Bowling Jnr Goalkeeper ???

[belchardo]

Yengi signed for Portsmouth about a week ago

https://keepup.com.au/news/a-league-transfer-news-western-sydney-wanderers-portsmouth-kusini-yengi/

[Mark325]

According to Stanton, we are planning on signing a foreign striker and an experienced CB as two of our final 3 signings for the year.

Does anyone know what formation Stanton liked to use during his time as Sydney youth coach? Cause this team doesn't feel suited for your typical 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 that most teams use now and would be better suited to something like a 4-4-2

[Jeterpool]

According to Stanton, we are planning on signing a foreign striker and an experienced CB as two of our final 3 signings for the year.

Does anyone know what formation Stanton liked to use during his time as Sydney youth coach? Cause this team doesn't feel suited for your typical 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 that most teams use now and would be better suited to something like a 4-4-2

There was a brief conversation on twitter I saw today where a Jets fan suggested 4-4-2 as the formation with the players we have signed.

I suggested 3-4-3 but Jimmy Gardiner said he believes it's 4-4-2. He would know, having been at their training.

[anfield]

According to Stanton, we are planning on signing a foreign striker and an experienced CB as two of our final 3 signings for the year.

Does anyone know what formation Stanton liked to use during his time as Sydney youth coach? Cause this team doesn't feel suited for your typical 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 that most teams use now and would be better suited to something like a 4-4-2

Sydney FC's youth team this year have played 4-4-2 most times I have watched their games, Although that has nothing to do with Stanton.

I Don't think we have enough depth in quality in central midfield to play 4-4-2 as it will put alot of pressure on the 2 in the central areas. We do have a few guys that can play as wingers so I'm not ruling out 4-3-3. Dowse and Clayton Taylor are suited to playing as wingers.

[Jetmaster]

Archie (if fit) feeding off a big man could work in a two up top.

[MFKS]

Archie (if fit) feeding off a big man could work in a two up top.

Being a young guy he should be playing as a two up top while he develops

Exactly why anyone expects a young striker to play up front on his own and be a success is bizarre

[Mark325]

Jets are in talks with signing 31 year old Spanish CB Victor Mongil from Indian League side Kerala Blasters

[Jeterpool]

Jets are in talks with signing 31 year old Spanish CB Victor Mongil from Indian League side Kerala Blasters

Jimmy Gardiner has dismissed the link.

https://twitter.com/JamesGardiner42/status/1686518956977504258

"I'm told by good authority that the @NewcastleJetsFC haven't spoken to Mongil. They have put an offer to a different European defender and are awaiting a reply."

[Mark325]

Apparently Kerala Blasters are interested in signing Trent Buhagair

Honestly would be a great thing - get some money for the bloke and then put it towards someone actually competent

[380]

Apparently Kerala Blasters are interested in signing Trent Buhagair

Honestly would be a great thing - get some money for the bloke and then put it towards someone actually competent

If the figure from the blasters is not enough for the Jets then surely we can pass the hat around to help the blasters out and make this happen.

[anfield]

James McGarry looking like going to Aberdeen on a 6 figure transfer fee. That money could have gone to the jets.

[Frodo]

James McGarry looking like going to Aberdeen on a 6 figure transfer fee. That money could have gone to the jets.

I'm all for shitting on our management here, but Aberdeen being dumb enough to pay for a player with 4 or 5 decent games in the last 3 season can't exactly be the Jets fault. He started off great down there and that was about it, he looked good when they won and poor when they lost, just like he did with us. He was subbed off in almost all of the games he played for them, so he mustn't have been too important. Good on him getting the move tho, he can move into a home that's not on wheels again.

[Jeterpool]

I'm all for shitting on our management here, but Aberdeen being dumb enough to pay for a player with 4 or 5 decent games in the last 3 season can't exactly be the Jets fault. He started off great down there and that was about it, he looked good when they won and poor when they lost, just like he did with us. He was subbed off in almost all of the games he played for them, so he mustn't have been too important. Good on him getting the move tho, he can move into a home that's not on wheels again.

Agree.

[Jeterpool]

Apparently Kerala Blasters are interested in signing Trent Buhagair

Honestly would be a great thing - get some money for the bloke and then put it towards someone actually competent

Interesting if this comes off. Leaves us very short up top with Goodwin out for the Australia Cup in 10 days.

I'd hope we could use the money to contribute to an upgraded striker.

[anfield]

I'm all for shitting on our management here, but Aberdeen being dumb enough to pay for a player with 4 or 5 decent games in the last 3 season can't exactly be the Jets fault. He started off great down there and that was about it, he looked good when they won and poor when they lost, just like he did with us. He was subbed off in almost all of the games he played for them, so he mustn't have been too important. Good on him getting the move tho, he can move into a home that's not on wheels again.

Maybe not the jets fault, but handy money made by the Mariners for a player that was a jet.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Maybe not the jets fault, but handy money made by the Mariners for a player that was a jet.

CCM must have some connections. Wonder how their balance sheet is looking.

[mic22]

I thought Goodwin was supposed to have back surgery right after the end of the season... what happened there?

[Bremsstrahlung]

I thought Goodwin was supposed to have back surgery right after the end of the season... what happened there?

It happened. He recovered.
FMD, he recovered better and quicker from back surgery than I do from a night out.

https://www.nbnnews.com.au/2023/07/24/archie-goodwin-returns-to-form/
Video says surgery was 8 weeks prior to MV game.

[mic22]

It happened. He recovered.
FMD, he recovered better and quicker from back surgery than I do from a night out.


Must have something to do with being 18 :grin:
(I have the same problem)

Thanks for the update :beer:

[The Dunster]

If the Newcastle Jets are so broke, how do we keep outbidding Bayern Munich for Jason Hoffman's signature every time his contract comes up for renewal ?
The new French bloke has a lot of experience playing park football - he should find the Jets a good fit.

[The Dunster]

CCM must have some connections. Wonder how their balance sheet is looking.

it will need to.

https://www.caravancampingsales.com.au/editorial/details/more-caravan-price-rises-coming-135981/

[turbojetfireV8]

I think it's worrying that management seems to have given up on the men's team and are only signing players for the women's team these days, no complaints as we want a strong women's team, but no strengthening of the men's team at all is a bit depressing really...

[StannyCFCJET]

I think it's worrying that management seems to have given up on the men's team and are only signing players for the women's team these days, no complaints as we want a strong women's team, but no strengthening of the men's team at all is a bit depressing really...

You mean re-signing Noah James doesn't excite you?

[belchardo]

What do you mean we aren't strengthening the men's team? Didn't you see the article that says they're lifting heavier in the gym?

[380]

I think it's worrying that management seems to have given up on the men's team and are only signing players for the women's team these days, no complaints as we want a strong women's team, but no strengthening of the men's team at all is a bit depressing really...

whats happening here is as follows

Mens team folds at the completion of this upcoming season.

A Women's team shall be retained to fly the flag in a national comp.

[turbojetfireV8]

You mean re-signing Noah James doesn't excite you?

as a plus side on this, I'd like to see him as our first-choice keeper before season's end... can only live in hope etc. ;)

[MFKS]

as a plus side on this, I'd like to see him as our first-choice keeper before season's end... can only live in hope etc. ;)

If we gonna be shit we might as well give contracts to Topor Stanley and BK

We can't be that far away from them being our best players

[turbojetfireV8]

Lowey's a bit pessimistic to say the least:

https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/8393493/the-lowedown-the-odds-are-stacked-against-the-newcastle-jets


The Lowedown: The odds are stacked against the Newcastle Jets
By David Lowe
October 20 2023 - 8:00am


Jets veteran talks about new position and what it will do for his caree.
Righto Lowe, I said to myself, let's approach this positively, find an angle to concentrate on, and get excited.


Unfortunately I can't at this stage, and that is about the saddest thing I've had to write as a columnist in 30 years.

The players deserve better, the fans deserve better, and the youth of tomorrow deserve better. However, after just one play-off experience in the past decade and a bit, there aren't too many signs of a turnaround.

The club will again face a season where their finances, their ambition, indeed their very existence, will be reliant on a small group of owners from other participants in the league whose only real interest in the Jets is to keep them afloat to attend to TV-rights requirements, and the number of teams in the competition. The negotiations with prospective new owners (which group are we up to now?) have made Julian Assange's trials and tribulations seem expedient, and nothing seems likely to change. Ask Ange if you like!

Rob Stanton seems like a very likeable, practical coach but forget last Saturday, a true Everest awaits him and his team in the coming months. I'm sure there is a squad of young men full of hope and enthusiasm dying to prove me wrong, and I will salute you if you do, but in my eyes they have been set up to fail. Yet again.


Certainly there are talented players in Rene Piscopo and Jason Berthomier, whose resume reads very respectably, but in the myriad of players who exited the club in the close season, there were Angus Thurgate and Beka Mikeltadze, who were clearly their best performers.

We can hope that some of the relatively unknown youngsters will provide optimism, energy and entertainment this season, but it's too much to expect half a dozen to make a breakthrough.


There is enough pace in the team to be an awkward proposition for opponents on the counter, and Stanton will want that function of the team working productively.

At this time of year, I always remember the wise words of a former coach of mine, who steadfastly maintains that you need close to 50 goals a season to be challenging. Where are they going to come from?

Newcastle, I sense, will need to be very frugal at the other end to compete.

There may be a sense that the overall standard of the competition will provide some respite, as it's hardly gone forward in leaps and bounds in recent years. I'm expecting Sydney FC and Melbourne Victory to improve after stuttering form for most of last season, but given the recruitment to this point, any ascent may not necessarily be rapid.

Melbourne City have lost some key personnel. Their grand final opponents, the Mariners, have lost the boss Nick Montgomery and many of their coaching staff, so it will be interesting to see if they retain their personality.


Adelaide will likely provide vigour, thrills and spills, and entertainment, but need to address their defensive record, and cut out the 4-4 thrillers. Brisbane will play good football, but may be short of a cutting edge.

To me, the team best equipped to seriously challenge this year should be the Wanderers. They were excellent last year, until Sydney stung them in the finals, and they have made a couple of key local additions. If their international recruitment is spot on, they will be very hard to beat.

I really do hope the Jets surprise me, but history suggests a familiar narrative. Until there is money for players, a clear plan, and home-grown players emerging from a glacial production line, it will be a battle. We should be accustomed to that, and the fight continues.

Have an enjoyable season everyone.

[turbojetfireV8]

A bit more upbeat from Jimmy compared to Lowey ;)
https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/8391740/french-connection-jets-import-writing-next-chapter-in-football-fairy-tale


A-League Men, 2023: Jets import Jason Berthomier writing next chapter in football fairy tale

By James Gardiner
October 19 2023 - 8:29pm

Jets’ French import Jason Berthomier on life in Newcastle and his new teammates.

IT was the end to a cest une tr?s belle histoire for Jets' French midfielder Jason Berthomier. A beautiful story.


A football fairy tale that began as a 20-year-old amateur playing with his mates at Montlucon in the sixth division of French football.

Its final chapter, playing for Clermont Ferrand in Ligue One against Paris Saint-Germain, led by superstars Lionel Messi, Kylian Mbappe, Neymar Junior and Sergio Ramis at the Stade Gabriel Montpied.

"It was a very good moment, an important moment in my career, for sure," Berthomier said.

"To go up to Ligue one with my hometown club and play against PSG and their big players ... it was a very beautiful story of football for me.


"In France, I start as an amateur and finish in Ligue One. It is not a classical pathway, but I am very happy to have done it that way.

"I said to my wife and family that the game was finished in France for me.

"When you play PlayStation, if you finish the game, you don't start [at a lower level] again."

Berthomier was sold to Valenciennes at the end of the 2021-22 season. He gave 100 per cent for the Ligue Two club but longed for a new adventure.

Enter the Newcastle Jets.

"I had a two-year contract at Valenciennes," Berthomier said. "My agent was in Australia for the women's World Cup. At a game, he spoke with [Australian-based agent] Fahid Ben Khalfallah, who has known me for many years.


"Last year it was not possible for me to come. This year it was possible to get out of Vallicennes.

"I spoke with Fahid and [Brisbane's French midfielder] Florin Berenguer.

"My first question was about football. Is it good? I want to play good football. I don't just want to go to the beach.

"Fahid said that the lifestyle is very good, it is very different for you and your kids. The football is good, it is league one here. It may not be a big football country but it is league one. The level is very good."

Berthomier, wife Moeva and boys Andres, 5, and Bastian, 1, touched down in Newcastle on September 5.

The 33-year-old playmaker will make his A-League debut against Perth Glory in the in the season-opener at HBF Park on Sunday.


"We are ready," Berthomier said. "We have a very good attitude to football. All players are on board with the coach's ideas. That is very important. It is a good group with very good guys. I am excited.

"The football is not totally different [to France] but a bit different. I think, the players here are very athletic. Maybe, it is better tactically and technically in France.

"To me, here is the same level as Ligue Two in France.

"The young players in Australia have a very good mentality. They are always smiling and want to work hard."

There is always an element of risk in signing foreigners in the A-league.

Resumes, highlights reels and price tags don't always tell the complete story.


For every success - think Besart Berisha, Thomas Broich - there have been abject failures.

Jets coach Rob Stanton was looking for a centreback when Berthomier was offered up as an option.

"It can be hit and miss," Jets coach Rob Stanton said. "When you are scouting - talking to people and getting references - sometimes you see things in a player that says a lot about character, about who they are.

"There were a lot of flags that said Jason was a good person and I am seeing that. I had this gut feeling that he was the right guy.

"You can see him talking to younger players now. He and Kosta Grozos are getting on really well. He is working with them and building those connections, which is important to have. I'm very happy we got him."

Off the pitch, Berthomier and his family are also finding their feet.


His sons have started kindergarten and daycare and his wife has found work.

"Newcastle is a beautiful city. When we arrived, we were in the park and started talking to a French man, who came here a year ago," Berthomier said.

"He invited us to join a Whatsapp Group: Frenchy Newcastle. Last week they asked if anyone knew any people who were after work. I replied: my wife, but she doesn't speak English. That was not a problem."


Stanton has been blown away by Berthomier's eagerness to embrace Newcastle life.


"I can't believe how quickly he has thrown himself into it," Stanton said. "We had a family day with players and their wives and kids. It was like Jason had been here two or three years.

"It's terrific what he is doing. They want to get involved in the community and become part of it. That is not always the case. It is such a big win."

Berthomier, a left footer, is adept anywhere in midfield. Against Perth he will be deployed in a deep role, in the absence of suspended skipper Brandon O'Neill.

"Jason is suited to that deeper role," Stanton said. "He can control the tempo, switch play, help us get out of tight areas, start play ... he has a calmness on the ball under pressure.

"He is also very good at set pieces. I think there is a final pass in him as well. He has a killer ball when he gets free. As we progress as a team, and we venture into the opposition half with more control, I think you will see that passing range and the extras he has in the kitty.

"He is a good footballer. That is why we brought him here. He is bringing all the things a young team needs."

[Unhappygreek]

What?s the go with that brollo guy still in and around the club ? i thought he got the sack ? The guy has issues wanting to hung around to try and look important.
All he does is picks up cones and bibs
get a life !

[Hunter403]

Langerak has announced he wants to return to the A League. If any clubs needs him, it is the jets

[The Hacker]

Langerak has announced he wants to return to the A League. If any clubs needs him, it is the jets

This should be priority number 1 at the club

[Couscous]

The Jets can't attract anyone remotely like him. Need a new owner first.

[Maito Mitch]

I mean if you think about it, he'd have a lot of opportunities to show how good he is/isn't. He'll be the busiest keeper in the league behind a garbage defence.

Few good games and he'll be at Sydney

[Macca]

I actually think our defence has been pretty decent - when Hoffman isn't at centre back.
They just spend a lot more time getting tested than other teams because we can't hold onto the ball for more than 15 seconds.

[anfield]

Any word on what happened to Carl Jenkinson? Dragged at half time against Victory and not in any squads since.

[380]

Given he would be IMO one of our highest earners and not performing consistently enough it would not surprise me in the slightest if he is being frozen out in hope of moving him on next Jan and allocating those $$$$ somewhere else to strengthen the squad.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Rumour Sydney are in talks with Natta.

[380]

Rumour Sydney are in talks with Natta.

Seen that David Lewis thing yesterday and just shook my head. Given it is currently one of our bill paying clubs we were probably given the hint not too make any attempts to extend his current deal here.

[anfield]

Rumour Sydney are in talks with Natta.

Problem of players going will keep occurring until the jets are sold. Maybe then the jets can be more proactive in giving longer deals to players.

[Jim]

We are just a club hore for the clubs that own us and others with a spare 100 bucks. Enjoy

[Alton]

Hrustic is looking for a club, how about we announce ownership today and he is our first signing

[riverboy]

Hrustic is looking for a club, how about we announce ownership today and he is our first signing

He is 27, too old for the jets under Stanton.....

[furns]

Rumour Sydney are in talks with Natta.Not to mention that interest is also being shown in Mauragis, Taylor and Cancar as well :dry:

[Bremsstrahlung]

Not to mention that interest is also being shown in Mauragis, Taylor and Cancar as well :dry:

I’m assuming these clubs will ramp up their discussions while we are finalising ownership details. And until that’s sorted, I find it difficult to resent any of the players for seeking some security.

Once the ownership is sorted, we can hopefully be competitive with our offers and have some long term plan - which may include offloading these players to make way for some superstars.

[Jeterpool]

I've been thinking about Reno Piscopo since his latest injury. He's int he 2nd season of his 2 year deal so no doubt questions will start to be raised about whether we re-sign him (or at least try to) or simply let him go.

On his day, he can produce some magic...problem is consistency of those days seem to be few and far between. I've reviewed his time with us and pulled the following bit of data.

Since signing with us on 21/6/2022 ahead of the 2022/23 season, Piscopo has made 23 appearances of which 22 have been in the league and 1 in the FFA Cup. The Men's team have had 40 competitive fixtures since then. He has been available for 57.5% of competitive fixtures - a number that will continue to reduce as he is currently sidelined with an injury. The most matches he's strung together in a row during this time is 7.

But simply looking at appearances only gives you a limited insight, as 1 minute cameo counts as an appearance (That's 18 starts (of which he was subbed off 16 times, or 89% of the time) and 5 appearances off the bench) - so I worked out the competitive minutes the club have played since he signed.

The club have played 39 matched that went through to 90 minutes and 1 that went to extra time (this year's qualifier in Darwin). That's a total of 3630 competitive minutes. Reno has been on the pitch for 1422 of those - a total of 39%.

But what about what he does while he's on the field? In that time he's contributed 1 goal and 4 assists - a number so low that even I was surprised. So his goal contribution per minute played is therefore one every 284 minutes.

How does that compare to someone who signed at the same time as him and in the same position - say Trent Buhagiar.

We signed Trent 3 days after announcing Piscopo, so they've been around for the same amount of games (i.e. 40). Trent has appeared in 39 of these, with 27 starts (subbed off 19 times, or 70% of the time) and has come off the bench 12 times. His playing time of 2454 minutes is 67% of total minutes played.

But in that time he's made 18 goal contributions (scored 10 goals and assisted 8), which is one every 136 minutes. So he's contributing to a Jets goal at double the rate of Piscopo.

It would be interesting to see how both players contribute off the ball as well, but from the eye test neither seem to - but that could be instructions from the coach. Even if we think about why we brought Piscopo in, it was to replace the absence we'd felt since Dimi Petratos left and be the crate difference maker, an unpredictable play maker who can create. But even comparing creative outputs alone, Trent is producing an assist more frequently per minute than Piscopo (355 v 307). Unfortunately, I don't have data on big chances missed or shot on target conversion or event shot accuracy (shots v shots on target). The Keepup Website might allow that analysis.

This really opened my eyes to the effect both players have had on the team. And given the squad-constrained approach of the league you need players who are going to be available - especially if they're considered to be a key part of your Starting XI.

But when it's all said and done, one is a filthy Gypo while the other isn't.

Anyway, thought I'd share some analysis I did from some thoughts that were twigging away in my brain.

[Mark325]

I was actually just thinking the other day about Piscopo and based on everything you’ve written there Jeterpool it confirms what I was thinking that we need someone in this position who he can trust and rely on to perform, and Piscopo isn’t that guy. I’d like to move him on cause I feel he’d probably be on a little more coin then a lot of the players here as well.

[Bon]

I've been thinking about Reno Piscopo since his latest injury. He's int he 2nd season of his 2 year deal so no doubt questions will start to be raised about whether we re-sign him (or at least try to) or simply let him go.

On his day, he can produce some magic...problem is consistency of those days seem to be few and far between. I've reviewed his time with us and pulled the following bit of data.

Since signing with us on 21/6/2022 ahead of the 2022/23 season, Piscopo has made 23 appearances of which 22 have been in the league and 1 in the FFA Cup. The Men's team have had 40 competitive fixtures since then. He has been available for 57.5% of competitive fixtures - a number that will continue to reduce as he is currently sidelined with an injury. The most matches he's strung together in a row during this time is 7.

But simply looking at appearances only gives you a limited insight, as 1 minute cameo counts as an appearance (That's 18 starts (of which he was subbed off 16 times, or 89% of the time) and 5 appearances off the bench) - so I worked out the competitive minutes the club have played since he signed.

The club have played 39 matched that went through to 90 minutes and 1 that went to extra time (this year's qualifier in Darwin). That's a total of 3630 competitive minutes. Reno has been on the pitch for 1422 of those - a total of 39%.

But what about what he does while he's on the field? In that time he's contributed 1 goal and 4 assists - a number so low that even I was surprised. So his goal contribution per minute played is therefore one every 284 minutes.

How does that compare to someone who signed at the same time as him and in the same position - say Trent Buhagiar.

We signed Trent 3 days after announcing Piscopo, so they've been around for the same amount of games (i.e. 40). Trent has appeared in 39 of these, with 27 starts (subbed off 19 times, or 70% of the time) and has come off the bench 12 times. His playing time of 2454 minutes is 67% of total minutes played.

But in that time he's made 18 goal contributions (scored 10 goals and assisted 8), which is one every 136 minutes. So he's contributing to a Jets goal at double the rate of Piscopo.

It would be interesting to see how both players contribute off the ball as well, but from the eye test neither seem to - but that could be instructions from teh coach.

Anyway, thought I'd share some analysis I did from some thoughts that were twigging away in my brain.


Bloody hell..
Amazing work mate..

I never thought of it all like that.
If someone said "You've got to get rid of either Piscopo or Buhagiar" I would almost immediately be showing Trent the door..
But when you look at the numbers like that (and take in to account the amount of chances that Buhagiar has fluffed or duffed) then its pretty obvious who you would keep..

Can't wait for your analysis on Hoff vs Ingham.. :gent:

[Jeterpool]

Bloody hell..
Amazing work mate..

I never thought of it all like that.
If someone said "You've got to get rid of either Piscopo or Buhagiar" I would almost immediately be showing Trent the door..
But when you look at the numbers like that (and take in to account the amount of chances that Buhagiar has fluffed or duffed) then its pretty obvious who you would keep..

Can't wait for your analysis on Hoff vs Ingham.. :gent:

Thanks Bon.

I don't think Dingham v Hoff would be a fair comparison. Piscopo and Buhagiar are at least of a similar age and recruitment profile. Dingham v Jenko or Aquilina could be interesting.

Either way, we've got a lot of work to do on the recruitment/retention front. With players now able to negotiate with other clubs we only have 4 players signed for next year - Dingham, Goodwin, Ryan Scott and Jacob Dowse. Of them one hasn't made a league appearance and another is frequently unavailable through injury.

The key factor is getting the ownership sorted ASAP. This brings in cash to offer well-earned upgrades for some given their standing in the squad and also assurance of stability and a pathway forward. The longer it takes to be sorted, in my opinion, the more likely we will experience another rebuild next season.

[ForeverRed]

Until you find a better player then the best player in our club then he stays, pretty simple

[plague]

You omitted the only stat that matters.

1 of them is a filthy gypo, the other is not.


Case closed.

[Jeterpool]

You omitted the only stat that matters.

1 of them is a filthy gypo, the other is not.


Case closed.

Feedback received, noted and rectified

[My2BobsWorth]

You sure they play in the same position?

[Jeterpool]

You sure they play in the same position?

Reno was deployed on the left first half of last year, Buhagiar on the right. Both players on sides of their dominant foot.

Last year Reno moved more central towards the end of the season as a 10. Trent stayed out wide or was up top.

This year, Buhagiar has been one of the front two, often dropping into midfield. When Piscopo came in for the first time this year, he took that role and benched Buhagiar and they were substituted for each other on multiple occasions.

So yeah, I think it's a fair comparison positionally on the whole during their time with the club.

[Macca]

Interesting stats. My eyes tell me we look a lot more cohesive when Reno is on the pitch - but in terms of individual output he certainly has some room to improve.
I would be sad to see him go, but not devastated given how little he has been able to stay fit for us. But if he does depart, we need some quality and confidence added to midfield to replace him.

I just hope this ownership stuff is sorted pretty shortly so that next season doesn't become a write off too, with our current squad getting picked apart by others (instead of us) and no real time for the prospective new owners to put their spin on things.

[Alton]

Jeggo to city ffs

[Mark325]

Not seen it mentioned on here but we’ve signed Aquilina for another two years. I think that’s a good signing based on his performance this season

[ForeverRed]

Not seen it mentioned on here but we’ve signed Aquilina for another two years. I think that’s a good signing based on his performance this season
Who would sign to a club that has no future at seasons end unless sold 🤷*♂️

[380]

Who would sign to a club that has no future at seasons end unless sold ��*♂️

A bloke who knows that if it weren't for the Jets his playing days would be in Sydney in NPL, Not unlike two thirds of our squad

[ForeverRed]

😂😂

[Alton]

A bloke who knows that if it weren't for the Jets his playing days would be in Sydney in NPL, Not unlike two thirds of our squad
That?s what I thought 380

[380]

I don't wish to down on the players but the truth is given our financial circumstances we are giving players a run in the A League who come cheap and would most likely not get a look in at any other club. Brisbane have been operating very similar to us and Perth to a lesser extent.

Just how it is when your one of the pauper clubs.

[Alton]

I don't wish to down on the players but the truth is given our financial circumstances we are giving players a run in the A League who come cheap and would most likely not get a look in at any other club. Brisbane have been operating very similar to us and Perth to a lesser extent.

Just how it is when your one of the pauper clubs.
👍

[belchardo]

Grimaldi re-signed for another 2 years. I haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion, but the number of re-signings seem to have increased in the last week or so, so I take that as an encouraging sign about the ownership.

[380]

Grimaldi re-signed for another 2 years. I haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion, but the number of re-signings seem to have increased in the last week or so, so I take that as an encouraging sign about the ownership.

He's no world beater but looking around the A League at other squads he is not out of place in this League. Reminds me a bit of Gypo Arnolds Son In Law in actual fact, The way he moves around the park etc. The club is probably looking at him from a investment POV, If he keeps improving then a tidy fee might come the clubs way one day for his services.

[Mark325]

Clayon Taylor has extended his contract. Obviously a good signing, dudes super talented.

Surely the signings of players like him and Natta who you’d imagine could get signed by other clubs means a new owner is imminent

[380]

Clayon Taylor has extended his contract. Obviously a good signing, dudes super talented.

Surely the signings of players like him and Natta who you’d imagine could get signed by other clubs means a new owner is imminent

You could ask Shane to define imminent but we know how that goes LOL.

[Jeterpool]

OK, this is a bit out of date but with finals now all-but gone we need to start thinking about who is going to be around next season


Updated 10/7/23 following Apostolos Stamatelopoulos signing

Expiring at conclusion of NPL season
30 Noah James - signed until 2023 ^

Expiring 23/24
xx Ryan Scott - signed until 23/24* (assumed)
03 Jason Hoffman - signed until 23/24
06 Brandon O'Neill - signed until 23/24
07 Trent Buhagiar - signed until 23/24
10 Reno Piscopo - signed until 23/24
16 Kosta Grozos - signed until 23/24
18 Daniel Stynes - signed until 23/24
19 Callum Timmins - signed until 23/24
20 Michael Weier - signed until 23/24
22 Phillip Cancar - signed until 23/24
23 Mark Natta - signed until 23/24
xx Lucas Mauragis - signed until 23/24
25 Carl Jenkinson - signed until 23/24
xx Rory Jordan - signed until 23/24 - Loaned to APIA Leichardt
29 Thomas Aquilina - signed until 23/24
xx Lachlan Bayliss - signed until 23/24*
xx Clayton Taylor - signed until 23/24*
xx Daniel Wilmering - signed until 23/24 *

Expiring 24/25
02 Dane Ingham - signed until 24/25
26 Archie Goodwin - signed until 24/25
xx Jacob Dowse - signed until 24/25
xx Apostolos Stamatelopoulos - signed until 24/25

22 players signed for season
- 21 A-League squad players from possible 23

- # = 1 Visa spot (Jenkinson) from possible 5
- ^ = 1 Scholarships from possible 3
- 1 Player loaned out (Jordan at APIA Leichardt)
- * contract length has not been disclosed and it is believed this is the deal length
- Noah James youth contract signed until conclusion of 2023 NPL season. (https://twitter.com/JamesGardiner42/status/1673537071083044865)

Rumoured Incoming Players
None active

Rumoured Outgoing Players
None active

[Jeterpool]

For me:

OUTS
- Carl Jenkinson and Jason Bethomier haven't lived up to expectations this season. Even if they come good over the next few weeks I think their ship has sailed. The writing was on the wall for Jenko earlier in the season but an unfortunate injury early in his return to the starting lineup curtailed his chances. Berthomer by some accounts has struggled with his knees on the hard surfaces out here.
- Trent Buhagiar is linked with a move overseas.
- Reno Piscopo shows flashes while he is on the field but that's all too inconsistent. We need more from a player of his standing.
- Jason Hoffman I think is raching the end of his 17 year A-League career. A club legend in his own right, the early season move to CB to increase his longevity hasn't paid off. It surprises me why we haven't looked to players like Hoff to address out closing out games issues with an experienced head. We need to treat his departure in a much better way than we did Kanta's.
- I think we need to get mutual with Jacob Dowse. A spot wasted this year though injuries have impacted him.
- One of Weier of Noah James...neither are getting close to testing Ryan Scott.
- Rory Jordan

JURY'S OUT
- Daniel Stynes. I've never been his biggest fan. I don't see what he offers that's different to many other A-League midfielders.
- Brandon O'Neill could do with a solid defense behind him.
- Philip Cancar is a doubt. We're apparently looking at an experienced CB, then with Natta signing on longer and Grimaldi's emergence in a squad-capped league do we have the luxury to carry 4 CB?

RETAIN
- Callum Timmins. I've been mostly impressed with him this season.
- Kosta Grozos - he's got a better set piece records than Dimi at the Jets and we need that skill in the squad.
- Daniel Wilmering, Lachlan Bayliss.
- Lucas Mauragis
- Ryan Scott

[Mark325]

Apart of me doesn’t want this club to have to do another mass exodus of players, feels like that’s just become the new normal for us. So, I’d like to see us only move on a small crop of the bigger name players that aren’t really doing a lot for us

Outs
Jenkinson
Berthomier
Piscopo - this one bothers me cause you just know another club will sign him and he’ll go injury free and carve up the league
Hoffman
O’Neil
One of the goalkeepers - preference for Weir only because James is Newy based but I’m not fussed either way

Maybe
Stynes - not so bad I’d be annoyed if we kept him on, not so good id be annoyed if we moved him on

Keep
Cancar - I see why we won’t keep him, but I think he’s a great CB and you just know he’ll go elsewhere and be part of a great pairing. I think we don’t need a more experienced CB, but we need to sign a new RB with experience and get in an experienced CDM which I’d hope will fix out issues
Callum Timmins, Kosta Grozos, Lachlan Bayliss - all three fill in solid midfield roles. Timmins seems like a solid number 6 replacement, Grozos fits the box to box mold a little bit and Bayliss would be good cover for a CAM.
Wilmering
Mauragis - the player we NEED to keep on, he’s been a real game changer lately and I’m hoping we can resign him and get a fat transfer fee for him
Ryan Scott - apart from some hiccups start of the season and one or two blunders later on, he’s been a real solid keeper considering how cheap he’d be

[Bremsstrahlung]

Mauragis to scum.

[ForeverRed]

O?Neil & Mauragis gone, maybe the end is near.

[Bon]

Seriously?
Have been wondering where Mauragis has been for the last few weeks..

[Alton]

O?Neil & Mauragis gone, maybe the end is near.

O?Neill is finished at this level Red, this should not be a surprise at all, he would have to be the slowest midfielder in the game

[380]

O?Neill is finished at this level Red, this should not be a surprise at all, he would have to be the slowest midfielder in the game

This, Hasn't played a decent game in the A League since his smurfs days, probs one of our highest earners and been very average. Won't miss him.

[anfield]

O'Neill doesn't fit the mould of how the jets play. 2 fullbacks that get extremely high, require a quicker midfielder.

Good guy, decent player just doesn't fit the system under Stanton. He would go well in a team with 2 natural holders possibly in a 4231 system.

[belchardo]

Seriously?
Have been wondering where Mauragis has been for the last few weeks..

They mentioned mauragis to mariners on the match broadcast. Can't blame the guy.

[The Postman]

Who wouldn?t want job security, can?t hold that against him.

[Frodo]

O'Neill doesn't fit the mould of how the jets play. 2 fullbacks that get extremely high, require a quicker midfielder.

Good guy, decent player just doesn't fit the system under Stanton. He would go well in a team with 2 natural holders possibly in a 4231 system.

I was sad when we let Al Taay go, I think he suits high fullbacks better than most in the league, even if he's not flashy or great on the ball. Proper defensive lynchpin for everyone else to position themselves off.

[380]

I was sad when we let Al Taay go, I think he suits high fullbacks better than most in the league, even if he's not flashy or great on the ball. Proper defensive lynchpin for everyone else to position themselves off.

Agree totally with all your points re Mo. He also was a great talker on the park and had a bit of mongrel in him when the going got a little dirty. We hadn't had that in the middle of the park for a long time. he's been pretty handy for Wello.

[Mark325]

Just wanted to round up a couple things I've seen recently.

We have obviously lost Hoffy to retirement and O'Neil, Buhagair and Mauragis to other clubs. We are expected to lose Jenkinson and Barthomier which is no surprise. Apart from Mauragis, think most can agree there isn't a lot lost in this lot.

Off contract players Grozos, Bayliss, Goodwin and Timmins have offers in front of them. Happy with all 4 of those, Grozos and Timmins have proven themselves this season, either of them with a more experienced midfield should have us sitting pretty in that area. Bayliss has real potential, but I would like to see him put into the position of a guaranteed sub next season as opposed to a starter. Goodwin I still like, but he needs to prove himself this coming season

Piscopo, Stynes, Cancar and Weir are still unclear. I wish Piscopo was reliable. We are a better team with him on the pitch and I don't know if we'll find someone as good as him on his best days. Cancar I'm also sad to see go if he does, but we do need someone more experienced and Natta is clearly the preferred player. Stynes and Weir leaving doesn't concern me

Jets are expected to confirm three recruits once the ownership takeover has been finalised. Can only hope we're announcing an experienced CB, an experienced midfielder and some attacking player, either winger or CAM

[380]

Grozos and Timmins can toddle off to some NPL where there abilities are better suited. Grozos has one good game every two months and his set piece delivery is worse than some under 10's kid. As for Timmins if i had a dollar for every time he turned the ball over this season i would not have to go to work for the next six months.

Pisocopo is more injury prone Bridge ever was so he can go bye bye also. Club cant afford to be paying a bloke of his ability n remuneration to sit in the stands more often than not because he is too fragile.

[Frodo]

Grozos and Timmins can toddle off to some NPL where there abilities are better suited. Grozos has one good game every two months and his set piece delivery is worse than some under 10's kid. As for Timmins if i had a dollar for every time he turned the ball over this season i would not have to go to work for the next six months.

Pisocopo is more injury prone Bridge ever was so he can go bye bye also. Club cant afford to be paying a bloke of his ability n remuneration to sit in the stands more often than not because he is too fragile.

Disagree with Grozos, agree with Timmins. If we had a DM who could stay in position, unlike O'Neill who doesn't seem to know where to centre of the park is, he wouldn't need to do the work of two midfielders all game. Find a DM, let him float up and down one side of the pitch being tidy on the ball, with the odd wonder pass, and enough tactical nous to not let his man get away from him. You don't need 3 shiny midfielders, you need 2 or 3 that can do their roles well and Grozos can do a roll better than plenty of others that have come and gone here.

[Mark325]

Disagree with Grozos, agree with Timmins. If we had a DM who could stay in position, unlike O'Neill who doesn't seem to know where to centre of the park is, he wouldn't need to do the work of two midfielders all game. Find a DM, let him float up and down one side of the pitch being tidy on the ball, with the odd wonder pass, and enough tactical nous to not let his man get away from him. You don't need 3 shiny midfielders, you need 2 or 3 that can do their roles well and Grozos can do a roll better than plenty of others that have come and gone here.

This is my feelings on Grozos. Has the potential to be a good A-League level player if partnered with an actually good CDM, which he hasn't had the opportunity to do since he's been at our club. I think Timmins as a bench player is plenty serviceable for mine.

[ForeverRed]

Just wanted to round up a couple things I've seen recently.

We have obviously lost Hoffy to retirement and O'Neil, Buhagair and Mauragis to other clubs. We are expected to lose Jenkinson and Barthomier which is no surprise. Apart from Mauragis, think most can agree there isn't a lot lost in this lot.

Off contract players Grozos, Bayliss, Goodwin and Timmins have offers in front of them. Happy with all 4 of those, Grozos and Timmins have proven themselves this season, either of them with a more experienced midfield should have us sitting pretty in that area. Bayliss I think has potential, but I would like to see him put into the position of a guaranteed sub next season as opposed to a guaranteed starter. Goodwin I still like, but he needs to prove himself this coming season

Piscopo, Stynes, Cancar and Weir are still unclear. I wish Piscopo was reliable. We are a better team with him on the pitch and I don't know if we'll find someone as good as him on his best days. Cancar I'm also sad to see go if he does, but we do need someone more experienced and Natta is clearly the preferred player. Stynes and Weir leaving doesn't concern me

Jets are expected to confirm three recruits once the ownership takeover has been finalised. Can only hope we're announcing an experienced CB, an experienced midfielder and some attacking player, either winger or CAM
Baylis should be top priority, the kid can pkay

[Mark325]

Seen some loose links to Tom Aldred for us today. Haven’t watched a lot of brissy games apart from what they played against us but he’s experienced, not too over the hill it seems

[Alton]

Seen some loose links to Tom Aldred for us today. Haven’t watched a lot of brissy games apart from what they played against us but he’s experienced, not too over the hill it seems
Get him

[Jetmaster]

We do need a c*** in our team.

[380]

We do need a c*** in our team.

Even if its one who has been poor for Roar all season and so so slooooow, Been turned inside out all season. Look forward to one half of our backline carrying this bloke and Ingham.

[Frodo]

Even if its one who has been poor for Roar all season and so so slooooow, Been turned inside out all season. Look forward to one half of our backline carrying this bloke and Ingham.

Yeah, this bloke is all ****/mouth and zero ability. Gives away free kicks every other minute and the only time he doesn't foul is when the player is too far ahead of him to reach, at which point he turns and abuses his team mates for him getting beaten so easily.

I'd rather play with 10 than play with him in the team.

[ForeverRed]

I?d say no going off what I?ve seen of him, not a stand out player in a poor Roar team who concede easily

[Alton]

I?d say no going off what I?ve seen of him, not a stand out player in a poor Roar team who concede easily

Well who is an experienced defender we could chase

[380]

Well who is an experienced defender we could chase

If there is no official deal done then perhaps with new owners we may not be limited to searching locally.

[Frodo]

Well who is an experienced defender we could chase

Considering we had the 6th best defence this season, I'd say who needs one. Get our midfield sorted, find another young LB, RB and CB to fight with Ingham, Cancar, Natta, Grimaldi and Wilmering and our defence will be good enough to compete with the top teams.

Our attack was dreadful, and that was with an actual striker, so again I think it's just midfield that's needs to be sorted. Focus on an experienced CM to run things and then work from there.

[Mark325]

According to James Gardiner - Home-grown youth products Dobson, Nunes, Bertoncello, van Dorssen, K.James Bracco and Janni Rafty trained regularly with the senior squad this season.

At least two of those players will be offered scholarships and train full-time with the A-League outfit.

Does anyone know much about these players and who they’d like to see get the step up? I’ve gathered Van Dorssen is a good player and probably due an opportunity at this level by now

[Mark325]

Aleksandar Susnjar will leave Perth Glory for another A-League club. He is linked with a move to the Newcastle Jets.

Was good for MacArthur, less so for Perth. Not the best signing in my mind, would have preferred we stuck with Cancar and Natta if this is our experienced CB signing

[The Postman]

Little update, bit of work to do for the new owners.

Expiring 24/25
01 Ryan Scott
08 Apostolos Stamatelopoulos
11 Jacob Dowse
13 Clayton Taylor
14 Dane Ingham
23 Daniel Wilmering
26 Archie Goodwin

Expiring 25/26
19 Callum Timmins
27 Nathan Grimaldi
33 Mark Natta
39 Thomas Aquilina

Confirmed Outgoing Players
03 Jason Hoffman - Retired/NPL
05 Lucas Mauragis - Central Coast
06 Brandon O'Neill - Perth

Expired
07 Trent Buhagiar
10 Reno Piscopo
15 Jason Berthomier
17 Kosta Grozos
18 Daniel Stynes
20 Michael Weier
21 Noah James
22 Phillip Cancar
25 Carl Jenkinson
29 Justin Vidic
37 Lachlan Bayliss
66 Zac Bowling

[mic22]

Aleksandar Susnjar will leave Perth Glory for another A-League club. He is linked with a move to the Newcastle Jets.

Was good for MacArthur, less so for Perth. Not the best signing in my mind, would have preferred we stuck with Cancar and Natta if this is our experienced CB signing

I think we need CB who's more dominant than Natta in the air.
Not sure Susnjar is that type of player, but I'd try Natta as a LB, he looked ok when he played in that position.

[anfield]

I think we need CB who's more dominant than Natta in the air.
Not sure Susnjar is that type of player, but I'd try Natta as a LB, he looked ok when he played in that position.

Natta played LB at the end of 2002/2023, I thought is was his best games in a Jets shirt. I said before jets should look at him as a LB , I remember getting shot down about it.

Susnjar is a left footed centre back, he can also plays LB which shows at 1.92 metres high he is quite mobile for a taller player. This would work well in Jets high line. In Susnjar, Natta and wilmering the Jets have Left sided centre back and LB covered.

I guess the worry was he was in a poor Perth defence. At least he wasn't in the squads that got smashed by Melbourne city and Sydney fc towards the end of the season.

[Mark325]

Apparently jets are signing an international striker to partner with Stamma which is interesting. Seemed to be what was gonna happen this season gone but maybe didn’t occur because we weren’t able to get a player in to make the system work the way Stanton saw it

[380]

Apparently jets are signing an international striker to partner with Stamma which is interesting. Seemed to be what was gonna happen this season gone but maybe didn’t occur because we weren’t able to get a player in to make the system work the way Stanton saw it

Was informed today Beka AKA B1 still is or has very recently been in Newcastle.