2024 Jets Academies

[Aegon]

For all discussions related to:

FNSW League Two Men's
FNSW NPL Women's
Boys and Girls Youth Leagues
Pre-Academy

[Dreamtime Yowie]

Anyone know what happening with all the kids leaving Jets in that 15s age group? I find it strange kids leaving for NPL clubs. Is it the club? The coaching? Or something else?

[Taffy]

Anyone know what happening with all the kids leaving Jets in that 15s age group? I find it strange kids leaving for NPL clubs. Is it the club? The coaching? Or something else?

Did they leave or were they cut?

[Retired01]

Did they leave or were they cut?

I know the parents of one of those boys and they were not cut. 6 have gone with 5 legitimately giving up their position and 1 boy cut from the squad. Ive been told boys aren't happy with coaching and parents upset the best boys not selected from the area. 14s have similar selection issues.

[Aegon]

I know the parents of one of those boys and they were not cut. 6 have gone with 5 legitimately giving up their position and 1 boy cut from the squad. Ive been told boys aren't happy with coaching and parents upset the best boys not selected from the area. 14s have similar selection issues.

Is this 2024 or 2023 14's and 15's?

I think the original question was regarding 2024 U15's age group which has hand a handful of recent departures.

[Retired01]

Is this 2024 or 2023 14's and 15's?

I think the original question was regarding 2024 U15's age group which has hand a handful of recent departures.


Yes I was commenting on the 2024 competitions with selected 15s players leaving already and 14s unhappy about player selection but not leaving that I know of.

[Taffy]

parents upset the best boys not selected from the area. 14s have similar selection issues.

While I would say I'm not surprised, like all objective things it may not be true and wouldn't put much stock into who parents think are the best players.

[Dreamtime Yowie]

No next years 15s so 2024 like the threads name. Not sure about 14s issues but news I got was kids getting pulled up to replace ones that left. Told they got offers but left, only 1 got cut. So now those kids need to be replaced also. In the last year I’ve heard more drama come out of the jets academy then a kardashion episode.
Coaches, tds, players.
Who’s even in charge over there now can someone fill us in?

[WOW2.0]

Coworker of mine whose son was rejected by the Jets just signed a professional youth contract with Sheffield Wednesday (he joins them next year as an 18 year old...spent the last two years in Brisbane after being rejected locally)

I don't think the Jets are all that great at this kind of stuff

[ForeverRed]

Coworker of mine whose son was rejected by the Jets just signed a professional youth contract with Sheffield Wednesday (he joins them next year as an 18 year old...spent the last two years in Brisbane after being rejected locally)

I don't think the Jets are all that great at this kind of stuff
Not every kid is targeted, lots of kids slip through the system for some reason or another, out of 50 academy kids only one will make it, Wednesday are sitting last in the championship, their academy?s aren?t fantastic due to overload, most would be equivalent to what Australian clubs have, good luck to him

[WOW2.0]

Not every kid is targeted, lots of kids slip through the system for some reason or another, out of 50 academy kids only one will make it, Wednesday are sitting last in the championship, their academy?s aren?t fantastic due to overload, most would be equivalent to what Australian clubs have, good luck to him

Maybe, but their u21s who he will be playing with are 3rd in their group though...that's not bad :)

[Taffy]

Not every kid is targeted, lots of kids slip through the system for some reason or another, out of 50 academy kids only one will make it, Wednesday are sitting last in the championship, their academy?s aren?t fantastic due to overload, most would be equivalent to what Australian clubs have, good luck to him

Their U18s are 4th in the group. I'd also argue that Championship academies aren't like Australian ones. You'd expect better coaches and facilities particularly since they will be competing with other academies as well as an overabundance of coaches means they can take those with more experience and qualifications (requirement to have a UEFA Pro License to be Academy Head, UEFA A to be the team manager)

[TopCorner]

Not every kid is targeted, lots of kids slip through the system for some reason or another, out of 50 academy kids only one will make it, Wednesday are sitting last in the championship, their academy?s aren?t fantastic due to overload, most would be equivalent to what Australian clubs have, good luck to him

Winner on most deluded post of 2023.

Congratulations

[ForeverRed]

Winner on most deluded post of 2023.

Congratulations
Thanks 🤦*♂️

[Dreamtime Yowie]

So who’s idea was it to charge Kids to trial for the academy? You really must be hard up to charge kids to trial. Very concerning at where this academy is heading.

[The Magician]

So who?s idea was it to charge Kids to trial for the academy? You really must be hard up to charge kids to trial. Very concerning at where this academy is heading.

Probably the same person who has decided to Auction off Match worn jerseys... Got to make sure Emily goes back overseas with plenty to spend at the Duty Free.

[Dreamtime Yowie]

Winner on most deluded post of 2023.

Congratulations

Hey Top corner aka Paul,how’s things theses days. Been a minute.

[Dreamtime Yowie]

Probably the same person who has decided to Auction off Match worn jerseys... Got to make sure Emily goes back overseas with plenty to spend at the Duty Free.

Ah yes makes sense, bad timing to auction off those strips with Messi’s WC shirts also up for grabs.

[onlooker]

Herald reports GVE looking like leaving to go to China. Potentially leaving the Jets Academy in limbo again with the direction they want to go in. Who takes over as academy TD who takes over as W-League coach. I?m not confident his right hand man Ryan is the right guy for either role.

[Eastwest]

Herald reports GVE looking like leaving to go to China. Potentially leaving the Jets Academy in limbo again with the direction they want to go in. Who takes over as academy TD who takes over as W-League coach. I?m not confident his right hand man Ryan is the right guy for either role.

Might get a few of the boys back and regain some integrity if thats the case. Theres been some dodgy people passing through that place.

[samcan]

Meanwhile, Mattiske expects to know by Friday if Gary van Egmond will take up a job in China but has ruled out the coach being able to work for both organisations.
Van Egmond is believed to be the preferred candidate to head up China's national women's youth program.
The 58-year-old, who coaches the Jets women and heads the academy, made a whirlwind trip to China last week to explore the opportunity and met with Mattiske on Tuesday.
"At this point in time, there is not a definite offer," Mattiske said. "Gary has advised us that he will know by the end of the week if there is an offer and whether he is willing to accept it.
"If he was to take the position it is something he would have to focus on solely. He would not be able to continue his roles at the Jets."
Van Egmond was approached last month about the position in China and has since been in talks with the Asian powerhouse.
A coach needs to be in place at the start of the year to prepare the China side in the lead-up to women's under-20 Asian Cup to be held in Uzbekistan in March.


This bloke should be terminated already. Some of his mates are untrustworthy money chasers. He's just looking for his next pay day. Cannot be focused on anything in Newcastle apart from getting his family paid gigs.

[Dreamtime Yowie]

Anyone know what’s happening at jets youth ? Not many scores posted on their Facebook. Only seen one of a Japan tour. Are they holding their own or not so good? Thought comp started or is it still trials?

[onlooker]

Anyone know what’s happening at jets youth ? Not many scores posted on their Facebook. Only seen one of a Japan tour. Are they holding their own or not so good? Thought comp started or is it still trials?
The comp has definitely started on the girls side round 3 this weekend and I was under the impression the boys started 3 weeks before the girls so should be round 6 this weekend.

[Dreamtime Yowie]

The comp has definitely started on the girls side round 3 this weekend and I was under the impression the boys started 3 weeks before the girls so should be round 6 this weekend.

Tried to google and managed to find some scores and tables. Not looking great atm so makes sense why they aren?t posting scores I guess.

[onlooker]

Tried to google and managed to find some scores and tables. Not looking great atm so makes sense why they aren?t posting scores I guess.

Two rounds in and the girls side looks good, just don?t look at first grade. lol

[WOW2.0]

Adult mens are no.2 in club championship in tier 3

Youth club championship for boys 12th of 16 clubs

4 games in by age:
U13s - 12th
U14s - 15th
U15s - 11th
U16s - 9th
U18s - 4th

[Alton]

Adult mens are no.2 in club championship in tier 3

Youth club championship for boys 12th of 16 clubs

4 games in by age:
U13s - 12th
U14s - 15th
U15s - 11th
U16s - 9th
U18s - 4th

Disgrace, this won?t impress any new potential owner who wants to develop from within

[Bremsstrahlung]

What’re our thoughts on the program playing in NSW NPL structure.

Are the best players getting the training and development?
Are they improving with the calibre of teams they are playing week in, week out?
Would they be better served playing in local NNSW NPL again with adjusted age groups?
I understand it may be a big commitment to spend most weekends down in Sydney and may turn a few people away. Would playing locally allow “the best” to not have the make that decision?


CCM seem to be constantly developing quality youth that can step into A League squad and make a go of it compared to our ‘prospects’ and history, do we need to be in tier 1 to be reaping the benefits?



No skin in the game. Just observations and curious.

[Dreamtime Yowie]

What?re our thoughts on the program playing in NSW NPL structure.

Are the best players getting the training and development?
Are they improving with the calibre of teams they are playing week in, week out?
Would they be better served playing in local NNSW NPL again with adjusted age groups?
I understand it may be a big commitment to spend most weekends down in Sydney and may turn a few people away. Would playing locally allow ?the best? to not have the make that decision?


CCM seem to be constantly developing quality youth that can step into A League squad and make a go of it compared to our ?prospects? and history, do we need to be in tier 1 to be reaping the benefits?



No skin in the game. Just observations and curious.


I think playing in Sydney competition is great for the kids, not so much the parents doing all this driving.
Also The morning sessions are a killer from the people I?ve spoken 2.
There?s been a lot of kids going in and out of late and coaching also so that can?t be great. Last season they came top 3 in club championships yeah? Now not looking so great.

Maybe GVE and his sidekick Gomez weren?t so bad after all?

[Tommy]

One of 13s games they won a few weeks ago has not been registered in the table yet. Should be equal 6th but 8th on goal difference.

[WOW2.0]

...

Maybe GVE and his sidekick Gomez weren?t so bad after all?

The results last year were also not very good, most teams finished 9th or 10th if I recall. The club championship was propped up by the fact they won the 16s comp.

From what I have heard, 2nd hand, GVE and Gomez alienated lots of players and parents. Many of those people left and I have only had reported bad user experiences from half a dozen parents (including some who are still there).

You might alternatively look at this current state as damage having been done by them, and the system needing time to recover...consequently, they are where they are (very early in the season with lots of time to improve in their positions).

(...Arguable too, do they have the best kids in Newcastle in the first place)

[onlooker]

Speaking as a parent with a kid in the program ( girls side) playing in the Sydney comp is a must, there is a vast difference in levels from Newcastle to Sydney. And I don?t find the mornings bad at all, I find it actually works better, can be tricky to adjust and get used to when you first do it but we are in year two of it now and no complaints.

[Retired01]

(...Arguable too, do they have the best kids in Newcastle in the first place)[/QUOTE]

This is always the constant question in newcastle football and the answer is NO but that is from many factors.

[WOW2.0]

(...Arguable too, do they have the best kids in Newcastle in the first place)

This is always the constant question in newcastle football and the answer is NO but that is from many factors.[/QUOTE]

I agree, co$t$, travel, morning training, coaching quality, politics, favouritism, talent ID shortcomings, player/parent alienation...probably dozens more reasons

Alienation is probably the worst...as it drives people away as "fans" as well, and they tell their stories to their friends...every year it just seems that the Jets and the league just have fans dropping off in droves

[Bulldogs 1962]

Player ID is a big factor too. They may pick who they think are the best 15 players in that age group. But that doesn't always equate to the best team.
Because they say they want to play attacking/ possession football, they'll pick 15 kids who are good attackers. Then some of those kids are forced to play as defenders and when they don't perform at that level in a position they aren't best at. They get moved on.

[WOW2.0]

Saw this on ESPN over on FB.
Is this the end of the Jets 😱 (and the Canberra women's W-League team)

https://www.espn.com.au/soccer/story/_/id/39762107/aleague-cant-guarantee-future-newcastle-canberra?fbclid=IwAR0jZ9oNM4NU4--SMF9TNDIxZBP1xi7By9bvpFxUC4Fi7gDHDExK9OANeRY

[Dreamtime Yowie]

Saw this on ESPN over on FB.
Is this the end of the Jets 😱 (and the Canberra women's W-League team)

https://www.espn.com.au/soccer/story/_/id/39762107/aleague-cant-guarantee-future-newcastle-canberra?fbclid=IwAR0jZ9oNM4NU4--SMF9TNDIxZBP1xi7By9bvpFxUC4Fi7gDHDExK9OANeRY

Surely the academy could still run itself if the seniors fold. If the academy isn?t pumping money into seniors then it should be able to run itself along with some sponsorship thrown in? If they both fold then that will be a disaster for Newcastle football.

[matjpacker]

My understanding is that the academy are their own entity, so wouldn?t / shouldn?t be affected by a sale or fold of the A League club?that said, if there?s no ?pathway? to an A League club I would imagine parents would seriously look at what they?re paying for versus coming back to NPL/PYL or trying their luck at Central Coast or elsewhere.

[WOW2.0]

I think the success of the academy is predicated on the connection to an A-League club, and people viewing it as a pathway to that slim opportunity of professional football.

From what I understand, it is very expensive to participate and take those opportunities

If it is folded, the returning talent to the local comp will be invigorating though

[Dreamtime Yowie]

My understanding is that the academy are their own entity, so wouldn?t / shouldn?t be affected by a sale or fold of the A League club?that said, if there?s no ?pathway? to an A League club I would imagine parents would seriously look at what they?re paying for versus coming back to NPL/PYL or trying their luck at Central Coast or elsewhere.

That?s what I meant about being a disaster as there is no pathway to senior football if that happens. You could join the jets at 13s and play until 18s only to then have to chase a NPL senior club. I guess it?s not much different to what?s happening now tbf, not many youth players have gone to the seniors anyway apart from Archie have they? Most come back to NPL clubs when their apprenticeship is done. Pretty sad when we can?t develop home grown talent anymore. Are the players worse or is it the coaching at youth level that can?t develop them?

[KITZ]

That?s what I meant about being a disaster as there is no pathway to senior football if that happens. You could join the jets at 13s and play until 18s only to then have to chase a NPL senior club. I guess it?s not much different to what?s happening now tbf, not many youth players have gone to the seniors anyway apart from Archie have they? Most come back to NPL clubs when their apprenticeship is done. Pretty sad when we can?t develop home grown talent anymore. Are the players worse or is it the coaching at youth level that can?t develop them?

Could leave youth in NSW NPL and run a senior team in the second division - pathway to being seen at least by the better NPL clubs, better quality football - try and get gate fees and build a local fanbase.

[The Postman]

Could leave youth in NSW NPL and run a senior team in the second division - pathway to being seen at least by the better NPL clubs, better quality football - try and get gate fees and build a local fanbase.

We already do, the Youth Team play in the Sydney NPL3 aka the FNSW League Two Men. They are currently 3rd on 14 points, 2 points 1st place after 6 games. Just beat Parramatta 7-1 on the weekend.

So that?s the pathway, if the worst case happens, let?s hope that continues in some form.

[Dreamtime Yowie]

We already do, the Youth Team play in the Sydney NPL3 aka the FNSW League Two Men. They are currently 3rd on 14 points, 2 points 1st place after 6 games. Just beat Parramatta 7-1 on the weekend.

So that?s the pathway, if the worst case happens, let?s hope that continues in some form.

They really need to get promoted pretty quickly because playing NPL 3 is like playing reserve grade in Newcastle.

[Alton]

They really need to get promoted pretty quickly because playing NPL 3 is like playing reserve grade in Newcastle.
They can?t be happy playing in this division

[KITZ]

We already do, the Youth Team play in the Sydney NPL3 aka the FNSW League Two Men. They are currently 3rd on 14 points, 2 points 1st place after 6 games. Just beat Parramatta 7-1 on the weekend.

So that?s the pathway, if the worst case happens, let?s hope that continues in some form.

No I meant an actual senior team in the new 2nd division of Australian football that's due to start next year. Leave the youth team as is or bring them back to Newcastle, 3rd division in Sydney is a waste of time.

[The Postman]

No I meant an actual senior team in the new 2nd division of Australian football that's due to start next year. Leave the youth team as is or bring them back to Newcastle, 3rd division in Sydney is a waste of time.

Still going to have money issues, just look at South Melbourne and the backing they have, I doubt any club in Newcastle could compare.

The fact that only Valentine (with the backing of apparent overseas Sugar Daddy) even sent an EOI into the National Second Division, to me confirms this.

[WOW2.0]

It's a shame, I would have liked to have had a NST team locally to support...especially if the Jets really are dead in the water

[finzee]

They really need to get promoted pretty quickly because playing NPL 3 is like playing reserve grade in Newcastle.

Nah. The top half in NPL3 Syd would easily compete in our 1st grade. Mounties would be top 4.

Agree, Div 3 is a slap in the face for an Academy Club.

They had every chance last year but blew it.

Year before we finished top but the converging divisions meant no real promotion.

[salmon]

They really need to get promoted pretty quickly because playing NPL 3 is like playing reserve grade in Newcastle.

Correct re: getting promoted ASAP being beneficial, completely incorrect re: the standard of competition being comparable to NNSW NPL Res Grade.

[KITZ]

Nah. The top half in NPL3 Syd would easily compete in our 1st grade. Mounties would be top 4.

Agree, Div 3 is a slap in the face for an Academy Club.

They had every chance last year but blew it.

Year before we finished top but the converging divisions meant no real promotion.

The bottom third at least of YL2 were pretty average last year, I could only manage 3 in that space being even more average, would that not filter through to senior teams where players would be pushing to play at least League 1?

[finzee]

The bottom third at least of YL2 were pretty average last year, I could only manage 3 in that space being even more average, would that not filter through to senior teams where players would be pushing to play at least League 1?

I was referring only to the mens comp which our u21s Jets "youth" play in. Thats a decent level.

As for the PYL 13s to 18s. Div 3 is not great. Top 5/6 of our NPL comp would fit into Syd Div 2 comfortably.

[WOW2.0]

PYL13-18s is tier 1

U20s and "1st grade" seem to be perennially stuck at the bottom (but imagine that also makes it hard for them to attract decent players too)

[mge61]

PYL13-18s is tier 1

U20s and "1st grade" seem to be perennially stuck at the bottom (but imagine that also makes it hard for them to attract decent players too)

Early days but both undefeated, leading their competitions and the club championship. Watch this space I guess. Be good to get some crowds out there on a Sunday afternoon/evening to support them.

[Oldy]

Early days but both undefeated, leading their competitions and the club championship. Watch this space I guess. Be good to get some crowds out there on a Sunday afternoon/evening to support them.

Promotion only occurs from 1st grade results. Club champ is a minor trophy.

[WOW2.0]

Ladder update after the weekend

YL1 boys (top tier) - 16 teams
13s - 9th
14s - 13th
15s - 9th
16s - 14th
18s - 3rd

L2 Mens (3rd tier) - 15 teams
U20s - 4th
1st Grade - 1st

YL1 girls (top tier) - 14 teams
U14s - 7th
U15s - 11th
U16s - 6th
U18s - 13th

NPLW (top tier) - 14 teams
Res - 12th
1st Grade - 14th

[Dreamtime Yowie]

Ladder update after the weekend

YL1 boys (top tier) - 16 teams
13s - 9th
14s - 13th
15s - 9th
16s - 14th
18s - 3rd

L2 Mens (3rd tier) - 15 teams
U20s - 4th
1st Grade - 1st

YL1 girls (top tier) - 14 teams
U14s - 7th
U15s - 11th
U16s - 6th
U18s - 13th

NPLW (top tier) - 14 teams
Res - 12th
1st Grade - 14th

Didn?t they all get wins vs CCM on weekend? That?s pretty good. Thought they would be further up the table then that. Do they have any games in hand?

[Tommy]

Didn?t they all get wins vs CCM on weekend? That?s pretty good. Thought they would be further up the table then that. Do they have any games in hand?

Updated Boys

13s 13pts 6th - Still 1 win from round 2 not shown on table.
14s 9pts 11th
15s 12pts 8th
16s 6pts 14th
18s 15pts 3rd.

[mge61]

Updated Boys

13s 13pts 6th - Still 1 win from round 2 not shown on table.
14s 9pts 11th
15s 12pts 8th
16s 6pts 14th
18s 15pts 3rd.

U20's also have an unrecorded win to be included which would make them 2nd and they also have a catch up game vs Prospect to be played.

[WOW2.0]

What time of day do they usually make updates to "Dribl"?
Was accurate as per Dribl when I threw that together for everyone

U13s better get that missing game corrected

[Tommy]

What time of day do they usually make updates to "Dribl"?
Was accurate as per Dribl when I threw that together for everyone

U13s better get that missing game corrected

Sometimes it is within hours, depends when refs report gets submitted.

Just to show some good results from the Boys Youth Vs Mariners on Sunday.
Everyone talks up the Mariners Academy and for good reason, but if we get our shit together the talent is there.

13s 7-3 win
14s 2-0 win
15s 4-2 win
16s 3-3 draw
18s 1-0 win

[JustMe]

Sometimes it is within hours, depends when refs report gets submitted.

Just to show some good results from the Boys Youth Vs Mariners on Sunday.
Everyone talks up the Mariners Academy and for good reason, but if we get our shit together the talent is there.

13s 7-3 win
14s 2-0 win
15s 4-2 win
16s 3-3 draw
18s 1-0 win
Thats a really good result all up. Vs WSW will be different

Its what the Mariners do from 18s up into 20s & Aleague that they do far better

[jessepinkman]

Thats a really good result all up. Vs WSW will be different

Its what the Mariners do from 18s up into 20s & Aleague that they do far better

poach talent from npl clubs and then sell them on for profit without the npl club benefitting?

[JustMe]

poach talent from npl clubs and then sell them on for profit without the npl club benefitting?

Yes that too which is smarter than us again, but they do give their youth a better go at the top. The Jets kids have to go to elsewhere before they are considered here. Goodwin the only exception recently.

[sapdad]

poach talent from npl clubs and then sell them on for profit without the npl club benefitting?

Which NPL club though?Plenty of kids who make the Jets get poached from one club to another along the way.To think that their last club before the Jets was the one that really developed them isnt at all true.I agree with you that NPL clubs should be compensated for players making national league squads but it doesnt look like an easy transaction.

[WOW2.0]

Did the 13s play on the weekend...I've been waiting to see an extra game before tabling the results?

(14s game shows in dribl)

[WOW2.0]

Boys club championship
Excluding any 13s (I believe they don't count)

1: WSW - 64pts
2: SD Raiders - 60pts
3: Marconi - 52pts
4: Sydney Olympic - 52pts
5: CCM - 52pts
6: Sydney United - 48pts
7: Sydney FC - 44pts
8: Blacktown City - 44pts
9: Jets - 42pts
10: Hills United - 41pts
11: Manly United - 40pts
12: Apia - 39pts
13: St George - 35pts
14: NWS Spirit - 33pts
15: Wollongong - 29pts
16: Sutherland - 25pts

*Collective points then GD*

[WOW2.0]

Jets team positions (tier I)
U13s - 7th (inc. additional game)
U14s - 11th
U15s - 8th
U16s - 14th
U18s - 5th

Mens (tier 3 - 16 teams)
U20s - 3rd
1st Grade - 1st

Girls (tier 1 - 14 teams)
U14s - 9th
U15s - 11th
U16s - 5th
U18s - 10th

Women's (tier 1 - 14 teams)
Res - 12th
1st grade - 14th

[Tommy]

Did the 13s play on the weekend...I've been waiting to see an extra game before tabling the results?

(14s game shows in dribl)

Yes, went down 2-1. Still not on Dribl yet.

Correct, 13s don't count for club championship.

[onlooker]

A U/15?s girls Jets team lost 2-0 to a U/15?s TSP team last night. Not sure of the complete make up of the jets team but definitely not a good advertisement for the Academy.

[The Bear]

A U/15?s girls Jets team lost 2-0 to a U/15?s TSP team last night. Not sure of the complete make up of the jets team but definitely not a good advertisement for the Academy.

Big man?s daughter is in the U15 TSP team. We see you. 👀

[onlooker]

Big man?s daughter is in the U15 TSP team. We see you. 👀
I?ve actually made no secret of the fact my daughter is in the Jets program already, scroll back a bit and you will see that. The reason I say it?s not a great advertisement for the Academy is the U/15?s girls actually play in the U/16?s comp and are currently the best performing team. again I?m unsure if the team was made up from those players or the team that competes in the U/15s comp.

[Retired01]

I?ve actually made no secret of the fact my daughter is in the Jets program already, scroll back a bit and you will see that. The reason I say it?s not a great advertisement for the Academy is the U/15?s girls actually play in the U/16?s comp and are currently the best performing team. again I?m unsure if the team was made up from those players or the team that competes in the U/15s comp.

U15s boys are 70% a second string side. 4 returned to jaffas and 3 returned to Olympic and 1 to Valentine then 3 were let go and reapplied and had to be taken back because there were not more applicants. Take into account the poor scouting of NNSW and then fill the gaps with kids willing to actively train over long periods and eventually got a reluctant offer with parental endorsement.

[ForeverRed]

U15s boys are 70% a second string side. 4 returned to jaffas and 3 returned to Olympic and 1 to Valentine then 3 were let go and reapplied and had to be taken back because there were not more applicants. Take into account the poor scouting of NNSW and then fill the gaps with kids willing to actively train over long periods and eventually got a reluctant offer with parental endorsement.
At least the kids putting the hard yards in will be better for it, it?s a bit ordinary calling 15 year old second string, not everyone develops together, poor choice of words retire

[Retired01]

At least the kids putting the hard yards in will be better for it, it?s a bit ordinary calling 15 year old second string, not everyone develops together, poor choice of words retire

Does that team contain the top group of boys with the best skills and ability in that age group? No they dont and NNSW and the Jets have always said they choose the most skilled and build on those skills then bring in some and drop and elevate those struggling as they grow. When you watch the NPL in 15s the skill level of many boys exceeds 50% of the Jets selection with both game play and individual skill. Dont get mixed up in politics and just watch the kids play and observe individual skill. Two feet to pass and shoot, percentage of passing, riding a tackle, beating a player, multiple passes to open up a defence or play out from the back. I fully support your comment when we discuss NPL and community football as kids do develop and drop off at different age groups but when you say best they are far from it.

[JustMe]

U15s boys are 70% a second string side. 4 returned to jaffas and 3 returned to Olympic and 1 to Valentine then 3 were let go and reapplied and had to be taken back because there were not more applicants. Take into account the poor scouting of NNSW and then fill the gaps with kids willing to actively train over long periods and eventually got a reluctant offer with parental endorsement.

A few of those were actually cut. Some left. With GrubyVE gone, there might be some better recruitment although training and Sydney travel is still a deterrent for some.

As for comparing NPL here with NPL1 Syd you're having a laugh. Its a slower game here. Everyone has time and space to use both feet but most still cant lol. It isnt as hard either. The way that Kids play will rise and ebb during the season as well. There is a couple out of their depth in the Jets. nepo is still alive.

[Meggsy]

A U/15?s girls Jets team lost 2-0 to a U/15?s TSP team last night. Not sure of the complete make up of the jets team but definitely not a good advertisement for the Academy.

I actually watched this game (a foot in both camps) and it was a real eye opener. Whilst the Jets girls had a lot of possession the TSP girls were very well organised (and well coached), defended really well and restricted the Jets girls to just a couple of chances. There wasn't much between the sides in most areas of the park and in some cases nothing between them at all which is a good thing in terms of depth in that age group I suppose.

[WOW2.0]

Updated club championship

1. WSW - 73pts
2. SD Raiders - 66pts
3. Marconi - 58pts
4. Sydney Olympic - 58pts
5. CCM - 57pts
6. Sydney Utd - 54pts
7. Apia - 50pts
8. Jets - 50pts
9. St George - 47pts
10. Blacktown City - 47pts
11. Sydney FC - 46pts
12. Manly Utd - 46pts
13. Hills Utd - 44pts
14. NWS Spirit - 39pts
15. Wollongong - 35pts
16. Sutherland - 25pts

13s excluded, because they don't count

Jets positions
Men (tier III)
1st grade -1st
U20s - 2nd

Boys (tier I)
13s - 7th; 14s - 11th; 15s - 7th; 16s - 14th; 18s - 5th

Women (tier I)
1st grade - 14th
Res grade - 13th

Girls (tier I)
14s - 7th; 15s - 11th; 16s - 6th; 18s - 10th

[onlooker]

Girls (tier I)
14s - 7th; 15s - 11th; 16s - 6th; 18s - 10th

16?s are actually 5th Dribl hasn?t updated their 2-1 win over Illawarra from yesterday?s games.

[WOW2.0]

Sounds like Dribl is nearly as bad as our local app

Hopefully will be captured in next week's update :)

[WOW2.0]

1. Western Sydney Wanderers ? 83pts
2. SD Raiders ? 80pts
3. Sydney Olympic ? 74pts
4. Apia ? 70pts
5. Manly United ? 66pts
6. Sydney United ? 65pts
7. Sydney FC ? 63pts
8. Newcastle Jets ? 63pts
9. Marconi ? 61pts
10. Central Coast ? 61pts
11. Hills United ? 60pts
12. Blacktown ? 55pts
13. St George ? 51pts
14. NWS Spirit ? 44pts
15. Wollongong ? 43pts
16. Sutherland ? 37pts

Jets boys
13s - 7th
14s - 6th
15s - 7th
16s - 14th
18s - 7th

Men (tier III)
U20s - 2nd
1st - 1st

Women
Res - 12th
1st - 14th

Youth girls
14s - 9th
15s - 12th
16s - 7th
18s - 12th

[Alton]

1. Western Sydney Wanderers ? 83pts
2. SD Raiders ? 80pts
3. Sydney Olympic ? 74pts
4. Apia ? 70pts
5. Manly United ? 66pts
6. Sydney United ? 65pts
7. Sydney FC ? 63pts
8. Newcastle Jets ? 63pts
9. Marconi ? 61pts
10. Central Coast ? 61pts
11. Hills United ? 60pts
12. Blacktown ? 55pts
13. St George ? 51pts
14. NWS Spirit ? 44pts
15. Wollongong ? 43pts
16. Sutherland ? 37pts

Jets boys
13s - 7th
14s - 6th
15s - 7th
16s - 14th
18s - 7th

Men (tier III)
U20s - 2nd
1st - 1st

Women
Res - 12th
1st - 14th

Youth girls
14s - 9th
15s - 12th
16s - 7th
18s - 12th

This is very poor

[howardyou]

This is very poor

How so? This is arguably the toughest youth competition in the country.

[finzee]

This is very poor

nope. thats pretty good. Played most of the top teams already as well.

[Texas Ranger]

Considering the Jets are a representative team, and the training hours they put in, it's not really showing great results. The older boys doing well in the third tier competition seems a waste. They would surely be better tested in our Newcastle comp.

[Trigger]

Considering the Jets are a representative team, and the training hours they put in, it's not really showing great results. The older boys doing well in the third tier competition seems a waste. They would surely be better tested in our Newcastle comp.

yep. But they might go up this year

[WOW2.0]

Waiting for Dribl updates for the Jets games is worse than watching paint dry!

[Eastwest]

Considering the Jets are a representative team, and the training hours they put in, it's not really showing great results.

Theres some terrible basic mistakes being missed by coaches. But hey, they're the Jets and apparently know more than anyone else.

Having looney gve and his corrupt side kick hack + other decent coaches leaving at the same time was enough proof that the "academy" was an in house sham.

Hopefully the culture is better now?

[WOW2.0]

Update for boys league

Most of the Jets teams have improved their positions since the last update...only 1 age group remained static

Overall, Jets have moved to 7th in club championship (seperated from Syd FC in 6th by goal difference GD +9 Vs +32)

Syd Div 1

1. WSW (97Pts)
2. SD Raiders (87Pts)
3. Apia (85Pts)
4. Marconi (83Pts)
5. Sydney Olympic (82Pts)
6. Sydney FC (78Pts)
7. Jets (78Pts)
8. Manly Utd (74Pts)
9. Sydney Utd (73Pts)
10. Hills Utd (69Pts)
11. St George (65Pts)
12. CCM (61Pts)
13. Blacktown (56Pts)
14. NWS Spirit (54Pts)
15. Wollongong (53Pts)
16. Sutherland (46Pts)

[Eastwest]

Update for boys league

Most of the Jets teams have improved their positions since the last update...only 1 age group remained static

Overall, Jets have moved to 7th in club championship (seperated from Syd FC in 6th by goal difference GD +9 Vs +32)

Syd Div 1

1. WSW (97Pts)
2. SD Raiders (87Pts)
3. Apia (85Pts)
4. Marconi (83Pts)
5. Sydney Olympic (82Pts)
6. Sydney FC (78Pts)
7. Jets (78Pts)
8. Manly Utd (74Pts)
9. Sydney Utd (73Pts)
10. Hills Utd (69Pts)
11. St George (65Pts)
12. CCM (61Pts)
13. Blacktown (56Pts)
14. NWS Spirit (54Pts)
15. Wollongong (53Pts)
16. Sutherland (46Pts)

Jets usually improve as the season goes on. Look over the last few years.

Hopefully the coaching has improved. The robotic system of 4 days a week doesnt really help much. No flair, just speed, strength.

[WOW2.0]

1. WSW (101pts)
2. SD Raiders (94pts)
3. Marconi (90pts)
4. Apia (90pts)
5. Syd Olympic (87pts)
6. Syd FC (83pts)
7. Manly Utd (83pts)
8. Syd Utd (82pts)
9. Jets (82pts)
10. Hills Utd (75pts)
11. CCM (71pts)
12. St George (70pts)
13. NWS Spirit (60pts)
14. Blacktown City (59pts)
15. Wollongong (57pts)
16. Sutherland (52pts)

Jets PYLB
13s: 7th
14s: 8th
15s: 7th
16s: 14th
18s: 5th

No time to look through the girls and adults today...but the boys current standing and club championship (roughly 14 rounds in...give it take for some clubs)

[mge61]

1. WSW (101pts)
2. SD Raiders (94pts)
3. Marconi (90pts)
4. Apia (90pts)
5. Syd Olympic (87pts)
6. Syd FC (83pts)
7. Manly Utd (83pts)
8. Syd Utd (82pts)
9. Jets (82pts)
10. Hills Utd (75pts)
11. CCM (71pts)
12. St George (70pts)
13. NWS Spirit (60pts)
14. Blacktown City (59pts)
15. Wollongong (57pts)
16. Sutherland (52pts)

Jets PYLB
13s: 7th
14s: 8th
15s: 7th
16s: 14th
18s: 5th

No time to look through the girls and adults today...but the boys current standing and club championship (roughly 14 rounds in...give it take for some clubs)

Youth team and U20's both won 6-0 last night vs Hawkesbury.
Scores are only partially entered at this stage and the tables haven't been updated as yet so still where we were last week.
Youth team leading their comp by 2 pts and 20's leading their comp by 2 pts also. Leading Club Championship on 184 pts with Sth Coast on 168.

[WOW2.0]

Syd Div1
1. WSW ? 120Pts (65MP)
2. SD Raiders ? 106Pts (61MP)
3. Apia ? 105Pts (60MP)
4. Syd FC ? 101Pts (64MP)
5. Jets ? 97Pts (64MP)
6. Marconi ? 95Pts (64MP)
7. CCM ? 95Pts (60MP)
8. Syd Olympic ? 94Pts (64MP)
9. Syd Utd ? 94Pts (64MP)
10. Manly Utd ? 87Pts (64MP)
11. Hills Utd ? 86Pts (64MP)
12. St George ? 76Pts (64MP)
13. Blacktown City ? 74Pts (60MP)
14. Wollongong ? 72Pts (64MP)
15. NWS Spirit ? 69Pts (64MP)
16. Sutherland ? 56Pts (61MP)

Dashes will come through as "?"

[Dreamtime Yowie]

nope. thats pretty good. Played most of the top teams already as well.

You would have to be a parent or coach defending poor results with that loser mentality. ?Played most of the top teams as well?. Yeah and didn?t beat them so let?s be happy we sit mid table. Last season we had teams in top 4 and now we don?t have 1. What?s gone wrong?

[WOW2.0]

We do have 1 current team in top 4 (boys) comp

I was busy so didn't include the current positions in that post

13s - 8th
14s - 5th
15s - 7th
16s - 11th
18s - 4th

Compare to other A-League academies:
CCM
13s - 13th
14s - 11th
15s - 14th
16s - 1st
18s - 3rd

Syd FC
13s - 1st
14s - 2nd
15s - 4th
16s - 12th
18s - 11th

WSW
13s - 3rd
14s - 9th
15s - 2nd
16s - 3rd
18s - 2nd

[finzee]

You would have to be a parent or coach defending poor results with that loser mentality. ?Played most of the top teams as well?. Yeah and didn?t beat them so let?s be happy we sit mid table. Last season we had teams in top 4 and now we don?t have 1. What?s gone wrong?

Geez is this grub still here.

Can you go find some rope and leave. Were all sick of your diarrhea. Old mate had it right pretty right.

[Aegon]

You would have to be a parent or coach defending poor results with that loser mentality. ?Played most of the top teams as well?. Yeah and didn?t beat them so let?s be happy we sit mid table. Last season we had teams in top 4 and now we don?t have 1. What?s gone wrong?

Last year
13?s - 12th
14?s - 9th
15?s - 9th
16?s - 1st
18?s - 9th

This year: round (17 of 30)
13?s - 8th
14?s - 5th
15?s - 7th
16?s - 10th
18?s - 4th

Doesn?t look worse to me. Especially when you consider some of last years 16?s are now in NPL 1st and 2nd grade instead of 18?s

[mge61]

Last year
13?s - 12th
14?s - 9th
15?s - 9th
16?s - 1st
18?s - 9th

This year: round (17 of 30)
13?s - 8th
14?s - 5th
15?s - 7th
16?s - 10th
18?s - 4th

Doesn?t look worse to me. Especially when you consider some of last years 16?s are now in NPL 1st and 2nd grade instead of 18?s



Youth team and the U20's both in first spot. Get out and watch them this afternoon/evening.

[finzee]

Youth team and the U20's both in first spot. Get out and watch them this afternoon/evening.

decent footy to watch

[WOW2.0]

Tier III, they'd want to be top of the pile as an academy side

[WOW2.0]

PYLB Div.1
(club championship...ex.13s results)

1. WSW 126Pts ~ (68MP)
2. APIA 113Pts ~ (64MP)
3. SD Raiders 112Pts ~ (65MP)
4. Syd FC 111Pts ~ (68MP)
5. Jets 101Pts ~ (68MP)
6. Marconi 100Pts ~ (68MP)
7. CCM 98Pts ~ (64MP)
8. Syd Utd 97Pts ~ (68MP)
9. Manly Utd 96Pts ~ (68MP)
10. Syd Olympic 94Pts ~ (64MP)
11. Hills Utd 87Pts ~ (68MP)
12. Blacktown 81Pts ~ (64MP)
13. St George 81Pts ~ (68MP)
14. Wollongong 78Pts ~ (68MP)
15. NWS Spirit 75Pts ~ (68MP)
16. Sutherland 56Pts ~ (61MP)


Overall Jets PYLB stats (inc 13s)

Matches Played ? 85
W ? 36; D ? 17; L ? 32
Overall Win Ratio 42%

GF: 175
GA: 165
GD: + 10

Overall club Championship (inc13s) ? 6th

[WOW2.0]

Div 1 Syd Boys league update (WSW and Apia had a bad week...only 3 points a piece)

1. WSW 129Pts (72MP)
2. Apia 116Pts (64MP)
3. SD Raiders 112Pts (67MP)
4. Sydney FC 111Pts (68MP)
5. Marconi 109Pts (72MP)
6. Sydney United 106Pts (72MP)
7. Jets 104Pts (72MP)
8. Sydney Olympic 103Pts (68MP)
9. Manly United 102Pts (71MP)
10. CCM 98Pts (64MP)
11. Hills United 90Pts (72MP)
12. St George 88Pts (72MP)
13. Wollongong 85Pts (72MP)
14. Blacktown City 81Pts (64MP)
15. NWS Spirit 79Pts (72MP)
16. Sutherland 66Pts (67MP)

[onlooker]

Saw GVE at Speers point on Wednesday night, from what it sounded like his China gig is over and he is back in Newcastle looking for a gig again.

[Jardelsimage]

Saw GVE at Speers point on Wednesday night, from what it sounded like his China gig is over and he is back in Newcastle looking for a gig again.

that was quick

[WOW2.0]

Saw GVE at Speers point on Wednesday night, from what it sounded like his China gig is over and he is back in Newcastle looking for a gig again.
Someone suggested he was also hanging around Lakes recently

[finzee]

Saw GVE at Speers point on Wednesday night, from what it sounded like his China gig is over and he is back in Newcastle looking for a gig again.

Crap no. Any who knows him, knows he is a cancer for youth football.

Add in his dropkick no hoper Gomez mate and you have the daily double of idiots.

[WOW2.0]

Wanted to do a slightly different analysis for the Jets position this time?

Obviously Jets has a lot of flux from season to season, and was curious to see how that fluid approach has panned out with the stats stacked up between the 2 seasons in Sydney?s Div.1 (PYLB)

Understand that the current season is still in flight so calculated averages as applicable.
(there are 47 games yet to register a result in 2024)?and the 2023 16s had an outstanding season


2023 (30 matches played)
U13s ~ 12th ~ 34Pts (9W,7D,14L) ~ GF48, GA70, GD -22
U14s ~ 9th ~ 38Pts (11W,5D,14L) ~ GF53, GA69, GD -16
U15s ~ 9th ~ 42Pts (12W,6D, 12L) ~ GF47, GA54, GD -7
U16s ~ 1st ~ 74Pts (24W,2D,4L) ~ GF101, GA37, GD +64
U18s ~ 9th ~ 44Pts (13W,5D,12L) ~ GF77, GA72, GD +5

2024
U13s ~ 7th ~ 31Pts (9W,4D,7L) ~ GF37, GA40, GD -3 (20MP)
U14s ~ 9th ~ 27Pts (8W,3D,9L) ~ GF36, GA31, GD +5 (20MP)
U15s ~ 7th ~ 30Pts (9W,3D,9L) ~ GF46, GA46, GD 0 (21MP)
U16s ~ 6th ~ 33Pts (9W,6D,6L) ~ GF45,GA40, GD +5 (21MP)
U18s ~ 6th ~ 32Pts (10W,2D,9L) ~ GF41, GA38, GD +3 (21MP)

From the above:
Last year AVG position 8th ~ this season 7th
Last year AVG GD +4.8 ~ this season +2
Last year PPG 1.55 ~ this season 1.49
Last year Win Ratio 46% ~ this season 44%



PPG by Age Group

2023/2024

U13s ~ 1.13/1.55
U14s ~ 1.27/1.35
U15s ~ 1.40/1.43
U16s ~ 2.47/1.57
U18s ~ 1.55/1.49

I think, we can see there have been some marginal improvements this season in general (the success of 2023s 16s skews results a bit).

But do we sit where a professional club?s academy should be?is the constant churn of players/staff helping or hindering? (clearly we haven?t built on the successes of 2023?s 16s)?do you think the teams have found their likely positions they?ll end the year at?

What?s your thoughts?

[ForeverRed]

If you include the grind of travelling I?d say it?s in good shape, remember it?s not about winning but improving, so it?s working.

[Eastwest]

But do we sit where a professional club?s academy should be?is the constant churn of players/staff helping or hindering? (clearly we haven?t built on the successes of 2023?s 16s)?do you think the teams have found their likely positions they?ll end the year at?

What?s your thoughts?

Thats where most people in Newy are clueless. We arent a professional academy. Go and checkout SD Raiders, Western Syd etc and see a real academy.

We do ok for a country "academy" on a shoe string budget. The players are having a good go. One of our weak points is coach education, its not the coaches fault. There are a few other weak parts but what can we expect. Were just lucky to be here.

[WOW2.0]

Thats where most people in Newy are clueless. We arent a professional academy. Go and checkout SD Raiders, Western Syd etc and see a real academy.

We do ok for a country "academy" on a shoe string budget. The players are having a good go. One of our weak points is coach education, its not the coaches fault. There are a few other weak parts but what can we expect. Were just lucky to be here.

You'll notice I said "a professional club's academy"...not "a professional academy", although they have a more privilige position then say Sydney Utd or Apia, etc

We also have far less competition to thin the talent there is available 🤷

Every business operates to a budget. But being regional our costs would also be lower...we should stop looking at ourselves as "regional"...We are the 7th largest city/urban area in the country (Newcastle/Maitland). Growing at a faster rate (16.16%) than Adelaide (14.52%)...we are larger than the Canberra-Queanbeyan "region" and our national capital.

Agree with the coaching observation, BTW

[Retired01]

You'll notice I said "a professional club's academy"...not "a professional academy", although they have a more privilige position then say Sydney Utd or Apia, etc

We also have far less competition to thin the talent there is available 🤷

Every business operates to a budget. But being regional our costs would also be lower...we should stop looking at ourselves as "regional"...We are the 7th largest city/urban area in the country (Newcastle/Maitland). Growing at a faster rate (16.16%) than Adelaide (14.52%)...we are larger than the Canberra-Queanbeyan "region" and our national capital.

Agree with the coaching observation, BTW

How do you encourage and ensure that the best kids are involved though as travelling to Sydney every 2 weeks certainly isnt doing that? The coaching isnt doing that either and the scouts only watch a game here and there then picking kids on a random good game then the mums and dads involved to fill the remainder. They need to go back to playing 1 or 2 years above there age bracket in NPL.

[WOW2.0]

How do you encourage and ensure that the best kids are involved though as travelling to Sydney every 2 weeks certainly isnt doing that? The coaching isnt doing that either and the scouts only watch a game here and there then picking kids on a random good game then the mums and dads involved to fill the remainder. They need to go back to playing 1 or 2 years above there age bracket in NPL.

The cost is also a major decision point on whether they can attract the genuine best...politics and favouritism too.

But, despite those detractors (and the travel commitment) I only know of 1 boy selected for the 13s this year, who turned around and said "thanks but no thanks" in relation to the offer, and 1x13s and 1x14s who abandoned their positions in the set up mid season.

(Also, worth noting too that the kids in Coffs Harbour (for NCF) are having to make an 8hour round trip once a fortnight too)

[Tommy]

How do you encourage and ensure that the best kids are involved though as travelling to Sydney every 2 weeks certainly isnt doing that? The coaching isnt doing that either and the scouts only watch a game here and there then picking kids on a random good game then the mums and dads involved to fill the remainder. They need to go back to playing 1 or 2 years above there age bracket in NPL.

Having watched some Academy games this year, playing in the Sydney comp is a must even though a big commitment.

[WOW2.0]

Having watched some Academy games this year, playing in the Sydney comp is a must even though a big commitment.

Curious question, what do you think makes them better specifically (I have my own ideas, but curious to hear yours...you are a coach yes, so had a lot of exposure to the varied standard from top to bottom teams over the last 2 years?)

[Tommy]

Curious question, what do you think makes them better specifically (I have my own ideas, but curious to hear yours...you are a coach yes, so had a lot of exposure to the varied standard from top to bottom teams over the last 2 years?)

Not a coach anymore, just watched a fair bit of youth football the past few years. Not taking away anything from the comp up here it is just faster, more technical and physical. Everything you would expect from one of the best youth comps in the country. More kids to choose from, cutthroat (maybe not a great thing for kids), families that live and breath it, clubs with better resources / backing. Certainly some NPL teams up here would compete but not all. The difference between the bottom and say position 4 is not much so every game is of high quality. They also play a 30 game season plus trials and finals. Just my opinion.

[WOW2.0]

Thanks for your observation...sorry to learn you're not a coach there anymore (If you're the same Tommy I'm assuming you are, I've only heard good things about your approach to coaching from people that used to play for you)

The lack of games in NNSW is a joke, 17 game season for tier 1 football, compared to 30 in Sydney...surely a big detractor!

[KITZ]

Not a coach anymore, just watched a fair bit of youth football the past few years. Not taking away anything from the comp up here it is just faster, more technical and physical. Everything you would expect from one of the best youth comps in the country. More kids to choose from, cutthroat (maybe not a great thing for kids), families that live and breath it, clubs with better resources / backing. Certainly some NPL teams up here would compete but not all. The difference between the bottom and say position 4 is not much so every game is of high quality. They also play a 30 game season plus trials and finals. Just my opinion.

I would say faster and more technical, but Newcastle football is FAR more physical - not the good type necessarily though and the refs let a lot go that you wouldn't get away with in the Sydney comp.

Playing on synthetic for the majority of the time really suited my kids play style (YL2), trained with some YL1 kids for an overseas cup and it was faster yet again, on synthetic and your touch had to be spot on - he would go back to his YL2 team and start smashing them.

It was very expensive though, almost 3k, not including all the extras like coaches gifts etc etc. plus the petrol and km on the car. all you do is live and breath football and the M1.

[WOW2.0]

Been a while since updated

Obviously some good news for the Jets being promoted to Tier II last night. With the relegation battle in NPL1 they will hopefully do battle against Sydney FC (currently in last place with 3 games to go)

Positions for the boys teams
13s - 7th
14s - 9th
15s - 6th
16s - 6th
18s - 6th

Having a strong finish to the season down there

The girls teams
1st grade - 13th
Reserve Grade - 9th

U14s - 9th
U15s - 6th
U16s - 10th
U18s - 13th
(I don't know if there is pro/rel for the girls)

[onlooker]

Been a while since updated

Obviously some good news for the Jets being promoted to Tier II last night. With the relegation battle in NPL1 they will hopefully do battle against Sydney FC (currently in last place with 3 games to go)

Positions for the boys teams
13s - 7th
14s - 9th
15s - 6th
16s - 6th
18s - 6th

Having a strong finish to the season down there

The girls teams
1st grade - 13th
Reserve Grade - 9th

U14s - 9th
U15s - 6th
U16s - 10th
U18s - 13th
(I don't know if there is pro/rel for the girls)

Jets girls can?t be relegated due to the academy rule where all players are a year younger than the competition they play in. This is also why the first grade team is capped at 20 years of age. I believe the boys first grade is also capped at that but the younger age groups play in correct age. I could be wrong I don?t know as much about the boys side as the girls. There is a change to the system for the women?s NPL next year where youth and seniors are being separated and the 1st and 2nd division aligning their age groups together. Not sure if that will change the relegation status of the jets in either youth seniors tho.

[WOW2.0]

Didn't want to distract from the youth league thread and the discussions over there (and this is related to the Jets academy as well)

A study was sent to me in relation to an age assessment of players representing their country during the Qatar WC, and at what age they joined professional organised academy systems. (Obviously this is a very select elite: 829 players from 32 countries)

(We often hear people say if you're not in an academy by age 14 you have no hope being a Socceroo, but this paper disproves that assessment)

It found they playing group had joined professional academies between the ages of 4.2 and 22.6 years old.


By continent, the findings in general found that the median age joining an academy was:
Europe: 11.1 (England was 8.4)
South America: 12.9
North America: 14.4
Africa: 14.6
Australia: 15.2
Asia: 15.6 (which did include Australia for a slight improvement)

Their noteworthy finding was that:


The differences in starting age also emphasize the need for policy makers and sport managers to adopt a balanced approach to selection-based systems and unstructured grass roots (soccer) activities. Players? development is a non-linear trajectory, and a too strict selection-based system will result also in the deselection of many players with the potential to excel in the future too.


?our findings should reassure players from all soccer nations that an early start in a professional soccer academy is not a prerequisite for participation in FIFA?s World Cup.

Thoughts?

Link to research paper: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/375885971_An_early_start_at_a_professional_soccer_ academy_is_no_prerequisite_for_world_cup_soccer_pa rticipation?fbclid=IwY2xjawEyV4dleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABH W1Edzxj8HthtJYVqBlDlI5Lk4GWaibNF5QXNwpuHSo0glEfGHK su7wEng_aem_4g9db1NbwnNJoxc6Zty8tg

[djjones]

The differences in starting age also emphasize the need for policy makers and sport managers to adopt a balanced approach to selection-based systems and unstructured grass roots (soccer) activities. Players? development is a non-linear trajectory, and a too strict selection-based system will result also in the deselection of many players with the potential to excel in the future too.
our findings should reassure players from all soccer nations that an early start in a professional soccer academy is not a prerequisite for participation in FIFA?s World Cup.
Thoughts?

Jets Academy is dodgy at best. It a results driven cattle truck so the tracksuits can keep a job and an ego to wear it on. Lets not mention the corruption that went on recently. Jaffas had better lock the apparel cabinet from greasy fingers
Technically its quite average and not good for the kids to mature into good footballers. There's a bit of neppo thats well known around the town anyway, but what Academy hasn't got that. The comp itself is quite good if you like the fees & travel.

[ForeverRed]

Jets Academy is dodgy at best. It a results driven cattle truck so the tracksuits can keep a job and an ego to wear it on. Lets not mention the corruption that went on recently. Jaffas had better lock the apparel cabinet from greasy fingers
Technically it?s quite average and not good for the kids to mature into good footballers. There's a bit of neppo thats well known around the town anyway, but what Academy hasn't got that. The comp itself is quite good if you like the fees & travel.
Someone?s kid didn?t get selected

[onlooker]

News after last nights final game in the women?s side of the Jets academy is Ryan Campbell is only going to be the A-League head coach and will have no official role in the academy, obviously he will still be around watching and looking at players to bring into the A-League squad, but they are now looking for a new TD and first grade coach. Will be interesting to see who they bring in for both roles and how much of a change the it will have on the system as a whole.

[WOW2.0]

Someone?s kid didn?t get selected

Really should leave members kids out of discussions between adults

Real response would be to show why his statement was wrong, not to attack a perceived motivation

Let's be better all round :)

[onlooker]

News after last nights final game in the women?s side of the Jets academy is Ryan Campbell is only going to be the A-League head coach and will have no official role in the academy, obviously he will still be around watching and looking at players to bring into the A-League squad, but they are now looking for a new TD and first grade coach. Will be interesting to see who they bring in for both roles and how much of a change the it will have on the system as a whole.

Correction to this post is that Ryan is remaining in his Role as TD and working with the coaches and players just no longer coaching the senior squad as he did this year.

[Addios]

Correction to this post is that Ryan is remaining in his Role as TD and working with the coaches and players just no longer coaching the senior squad as he did this year.

I think this is a good thing. Some coaching over the past has been a little thin. Adam goes alright for mine.

[Addios]

Someone?s kid didn?t get selected

1+2=5 for this dinosaur. He obviously has been in the system to know the score.

[WOW2.0]

Syd Div 1

A much greater pain in the you know where
(80 rows of teams to update, and then look over the club championship?most teams have done an extra 10 rounds since my last update)

Club Championship: (remembering this excludes 13s)
1. WSW ~ 190Pts (GD+62)
2. Apia ~ 185Pts (GD+49)
3. Sydney FC ~ 182Pts (GD+78)
4. SD Raiders ~ 178Pts (GD+44)
5. Newcastle Jets ~ 173Pts (GD+27)
6. Manly United ~ 172Pts (GD+28)
7. Marconi ~ 170Pts (GD+35)
8. Syd Olympic ~ 163Pts (GD+13)
9. CCM ~ 162Pts (GD-22)
10. Syd United ~ 158Pts (GD+18)
11. Wollongong ~ 152Pts (GD+2)
12. Hills United ~ 146Pts (GD-37)
13. Blacktown City ~ 143Pts (GD-31)
14. St George ~ 129Pts (GD-53)
15. NWS Spirit ~ 117Pts (GD-108)
16. Sutherland ~ 103Pts (GD-120)

N.B. Mariners and Syd United seem to have a round in hand on everyone else (at least 5 matches a piece not added into Dribl)

Jets places
13s ~ 6th
14s ~ 7th
15s ~ 7th
16s ~ 6th
18s ~ 4th

Other academies (13s~18s)
WSW ~ 4th, 11th, 1st, 4th, 6th
Syd FC ~ 1st, 1st, 3rd, 13th, 13th
CCM ~ 13th, 12th, 15th, 2nd, 2nd

Total Goals/Goals against by academy: (excluding 13s)
Jets ~ 236 Goals/209 Goals against
WSW ~ 228 Goals/166 Goals against
Syd FC ~ 286 Goals/208 Goals against
CCM ~ 236 Goals/258 Goals against

Best overall in League (all clubs excluding 13s)
Syd FC for total goals scored
WSW for least goals against

Interesting that Mariners seem to only pick up once Sydney FC drops away, wonder if there is any correlation there


There are some big differences in the age groups for the competition in general?there is clearly lots of variation in the depth of talent
Just looking at the 13s for example
Sydney FC has 132 GF Vs 14 GA for a GD +118
Apia has 141 GF Vs 26 GA for a GD +115

The bottom performers
NWS Spirit 25 GF Vs 108 GA for a GD of -83
CCM 46 GF Vs 90 GA for a GD -67


Last minute side note
With 13s GF go up beyond 400 for 2 teams, GA go up to 414 to mid 300s for 3 teams

Biggest GD still remains for Sydney FC at +196, followed by Apia (who have scored the most goals (422) at +164. Lowest team drops to -191, followed by a -173
A 387 goal variation?wow

With 13s our GD moves to +33 (292 Goals Vs 259 Against)

[ForeverRed]

1+2=5 for this dinosaur. He obviously has been in the system to know the score.

Lol

[djjones]

Someone?s kid didn?t get selected

Why does every clueless idiot bring out this stupid comment. The problem is getting selected. Missing out is actually easier.
This was a few years ago now. I only know a couple of boys & girls in the system now.

[djjones]

Syd Div 1

A much greater pain in the you know where
(80 rows of teams to update, and then look over the club championship?most teams have done an extra 10 rounds since my last update)

Club Championship: (remembering this excludes 13s)
1. WSW ~ 190Pts (GD+62)
2. Apia ~ 185Pts (GD+49)
3. Sydney FC ~ 182Pts (GD+78)
4. SD Raiders ~ 178Pts (GD+44)
5. Newcastle Jets ~ 173Pts (GD+27)
6. Manly United ~ 172Pts (GD+28)
7. Marconi ~ 170Pts (GD+35)
8. Syd Olympic ~ 163Pts (GD+13)
9. CCM ~ 162Pts (GD-22)
10. Syd United ~ 158Pts (GD+18)
11. Wollongong ~ 152Pts (GD+2)
12. Hills United ~ 146Pts (GD-37)
13. Blacktown City ~ 143Pts (GD-31)
14. St George ~ 129Pts (GD-53)
15. NWS Spirit ~ 117Pts (GD-108)
16. Sutherland ~ 103Pts (GD-120)

decent stats WOW. Interesting the way some clubs go about their play. CCM's demise seems to be the inverse of Jets entering back into Sydney.

[mge61]

Great to see the Jets U18 boys clinch a semi finals spot with another win on the road in Wollongong who have been very strong at home. Could end up 3rd if results go their way next weekend at St. George.

Also the U16's keeping themselves in the frame but relying on another result next week.

[WOW2.0]

Club Championship (excludes 13s)

1. WSW (209Pts)
2. Sydney FC (197Pts)
3. SD Raiders (195Pts)
4. Apia (193Pts)
5. Marconi (187Pts)
6. Jets (183Pts)
7. Manly (182Pts)
8. CCM (178Pts)
9. Syd Utd (177Pts)
10. Syd Olympic (169Pts)
11. Wollongong (165Pts)
12. Blacktown City (159Pts)
13. St George (151Pts)
14. Hills Utd (150Pts)
15. NWS Spirit (130Pts)
16. Sutherland (108Pts)

Not sure how many clubs get relegated in NSWF in Youth (as I check the details for last season ~ looks like 2)

Positions of clubs above the Jets + mariners 13s-18s
1. WSW ~ 5th, 8th, 1st, 4th, 8th
2. Syd FC ~ 1st, 1st, 3rd, 14th, 13th
3. SD Raiders ~ 3rd, 2nd, 4th, 15th, 10th
4. Apia ~ 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 10th, 15th
5. Marconi ~ 11th, 4th, 11th, 8th, 7th
6. Jets ~ 6th, 9th, 8th, 5th, 4th,
?
8. Mariners 12th, 10th, 15th, 2nd, 2nd


It's interesting how some of the big clubs die away in the older ages of 16s and 18s?I wonder what percentage of those ages are playing up in the clubs reserve or NPL 1st grade and side stepping 16s and 18s to play with, and against adults

Last season Jets? finished 2nd in Club Championship (namely due to the successes of the 16s who had a great year, and finished 1st) ~ total 198 Points (which would have had them 2nd again)

The (7) clubs above finished
WSW 1st, Jets 2nd, CCM 3rd, Syd FC 5th, SD Raiders 6th, Marconi 7th, Apia 14th

Best improver is clearly Apia shifting up 10 places in a season.

While the Jets finished higher last season, I feel 2024 has been a success, with a higher average position ?6.4th?; median of 8th (last season average of ?8th?; median of 9th)


The relegated clubs 2024 positions:
NWS ~ 15th, 16th, 12th, 7th, 14th
Sutherland ~ 14th, 5th, 16th, 12th, 16th

Looks like they will be replaced by:
Northern Tigers (who won Div 2 with 253Pts +116GD)
Bulls FC Academy (250Pts +189GD)?
3rd place was 207Pts with +68GD?so clear runaway winners in Div2, and interesting, all A-League clubs will have their academies in Div 1 in 2025, That's cool!

[Taffy]

all A-League clubs will have their academies in Div 1 in 2025, That's cool!

That's a good thing, and good to see Jets after a long time now comfortable up there.

Would make sense to think some of the non-academy teams have the best players bypassing 18s and going into 20s, while this probably isn't needed for the academy teams, though no doubt have some quality younger players playing up already as well.

[Skimmer]

Club Championship (excludes 13s)

1. WSW (209Pts)
2. Sydney FC (197Pts)
3. SD Raiders (195Pts)
4. Apia (193Pts)
5. Marconi (187Pts)
6. Jets (183Pts)
7. Manly (182Pts)
8. CCM (178Pts)
9. Syd Utd (177Pts)
10. Syd Olympic (169Pts)
11. Wollongong (165Pts)
12. Blacktown City (159Pts)
13. St George (151Pts)
14. Hills Utd (150Pts)
15. NWS Spirit (130Pts)
16. Sutherland (108Pts)

Not sure how many clubs get relegated in NSWF in Youth (as I check the details for last season ~ looks like 2)

2up 2down where applicable. Tigers back after a 2 yr hiatus. Mt Druid went from NPL1 to NPL3

[WOW2.0]

Saw a list of the team changes in the current 14s team, 8 new inclusions (didn't see the other age groups)

In one hand it's nice to see it's not a closed shop...on the other, it made me curious how the club helps the kids to transition out of the academy

I would like to think it wasn't just a pump and dump set up, especially that by the time of their selection/de-selection, most teams would be full

[Taffy]

I'm more curious as to why at least one ex-Jets coach was told which players were being dropped before the players were? Got told this morning that was contacting the parents of these players about signing up for his team because they were no longer at the Jets and these parents had no idea their sons weren't being retained.

[JustMe]

I'm more curious as to why at least one ex-Jets coach was told which players were being dropped before the players were? Got told this morning that was contacting the parents of these players about signing up for his team because they were no longer at the Jets and these parents had no idea their sons weren't being retained.

Also heard that and can verify. But also there was more than one coach from another club also doing this. Recruitment is very partial depending on which crowd is in charge at start of each year.
One hand, It doesn't really matter anyway as those getting cut or leaving were gone regardless of when email sent.
On the other I suppose it does give some clubs an advantage to poach the better players.

[The Magician]

Gve is back

[Alton]

Gve is back

Has to be, like him or not who else is qualified around here

[Taffy]

Also heard that and can verify. But also there was more than one coach from another club also doing this. Recruitment is very partial depending on which crowd is in charge at start of each year.
One hand, It doesn't really matter anyway as those getting cut or leaving were gone regardless of when email sent.
On the other I suppose it does give some clubs an advantage to poach the better players.

I wasn't concerned about the advantage but rather telling people outside of the club about cutting a player before informing the player, lacks professionalism (yes I know it's Jets academy and they never show much professionalism). May not have been the Jets but rather a coach just doing what they want of course.

[Bulldogs 1962]

Also heard that and can verify. But also there was more than one coach from another club also doing this. Recruitment is very partial depending on which crowd is in charge at start of each year.
One hand, It doesn't really matter anyway as those getting cut or leaving were gone regardless of when email sent.
On the other I suppose it does give some clubs an advantage to poach the better players.

Just playing devils advocate. But maybe it's the Jets not wanting the players to just end up at a random club. But actually wanting them to go to a strong club, so that they can continue too develop and maybe move back into the jets system in years to come. Or is that to much forward thinking for the Jets

[Taffy]

You give the Jets far too much credit.

[WOW2.0]

Just playing devils advocate. But maybe it's the Jets not wanting the players to just end up at a random club. But actually wanting them to go to a strong club, so that they can continue too develop and maybe move back into the jets system in years to come. Or is that to much forward thinking for the Jets

A professional approach would be to ask the div.1 clubs what positions they are still looking to fill and then.

Sit down with the kids and parents (not a plonker email) and.explain the rationale why they have been dropped.

...Explain what they would like to see from them in the future so as to improve their chances of being considered again.

Then, provide them the club list on the position vacancies and to organise those kids to integrate with the NNSW TSP program.

Jets continue to fail in treading the line of 'cutthroat business' and community/fan engagement and growth...I personally haven't met any one who loves the Jets whose been part of their program

[Bulldogs 1962]

A professional approach would be to ask the div.1 clubs what positions they are still looking to fill and then.

Sit down with the kids and parents (not a plonker email) and.explain the rationale why they have been dropped.

...Explain what they would like to see from them in the future so as to improve their chances of being considered again.

Then, provide them the club list on the position vacancies and to organise those kids to integrate with the NNSW TSP program.

Jets continue to fail in treading the line of 'cutthroat business' and community/fan engagement and growth...I personally haven't met any one who loves the Jets whose been part of their program

Absolutely something along these lines is what should happen. And like I said, I was just playing devils advocate. You also have to think that if it's happened how everyone is alluding it did. Then the Jets only have themselves to blame if those kids do develop more and are at a level to rejoin, as some may not now with being treated poorly.

[Meggsy]

A professional approach would be to ask the div.1 clubs what positions they are still looking to fill and then.

Sit down with the kids and parents (not a plonker email) and.explain the rationale why they have been dropped.

...Explain what they would like to see from them in the future so as to improve their chances of being considered again.

Then, provide them the club list on the position vacancies and to organise those kids to integrate with the NNSW TSP program.

Jets continue to fail in treading the line of 'cutthroat business' and community/fan engagement and growth...I personally haven't met any one who loves the Jets whose been part of their program

Here here WOW. Makes too much sense to be applied over there at present unfortunately.

Whilst it appears Jets had good intentions by advising the non retained player's previous clubs in an attempt to help secure them a place for 2025 they probably didn't factor in the possibility (likelihood) of at least one notoriously agenda driven NPLY coach ignoring any confidentiality or sensitivity around this pre notification by going off reservation and contacting parents/players before they had even been notified of their release.

If the Jets were really serious about the welfare and future development of those players not retained then a process such as what is proposed here by WOW would have been a far more professional and suitable approach for an A League academy to adopt

[JustMe]

If the Jets were really serious about the welfare and future development of those players not retained then a process such as what is proposed here by WOW would have been a far more professional and suitable approach for an A League academy to adopt

I never thought of Jets Youth Professional or much on development. Its a country town soccer program at the higher level.
A kid has a chance to succeed but they to do that within the regime on their own accord. Welfare lol. I thought everyone knew this around here.
Most who are involved are looking at a payday.
GVE has a 3 day footy camp coming up with special guest speaker EmilyVE for $400. Add in the private "academies" its about the cash brothers.
Pros & cons, Good luck to all.

[mge61]

Several well deserved award winners at the NSW NPL awards dinner last night. Congratulations to all those involved.

[WOW2.0]

I never thought of Jets Youth Professional or much on development. Its a country town soccer program at the higher level.

I wouldn't say they are professional either (probably none qualify as that in Australia)

It is a professional team's academy system though

Yes, football in Australia is a Ponzi scheme...and it's driven by 'FOMO' (new term I learnt) 'Fear Of Missing Out'

On the concept of a professional academy:
I recently found a video of FC Krasnodar's academy set up (opened in mid-2008, club founded in Feb the same year)...that is beautiful and genuinely professional (and not measuring ourselves against the 5 big leagues)

It includes in it's operations:
A fully equiped sports high school with onsite accommodation for all students through 10 purpose built cottages each housing 34 student. Sports specific nutrition is met through the campus cafeteria.

The academy includes a hotel run by the club for visiting parents (home and away), academy weight room, regular gym, medical and rehabilitation centre, a pool and trampoline room, growth and nutrition monitoring goes without saying.

They own in the campus, 2 artificially turfed 'compressed air supported pitches' for winter training. In addition to 3 regular artificial & 12 grassed pitches. There is also a roofed boutique stadium for 3000 supporters used specifically for u-21 home matches...everything is new

Nothing is pay for play...all that in a sub-1M population centre

...Watching their academy product on YouTube (they show all their matches from U13s up free). Suffice to say it's a much higher standard then the Australian "long ball" game which is so popular...

That is a "professional" standard academy...IMO

But never the less, the Jets are a professional club's academy, and should be offering somewhat of a professional approach to how they discard kids, or attempt to develop them.

They also as a business that relies on fan engagement and affection need to think about the sour taste they leave in mouths from those interactions and how the community then interprets the same when they hear from friends and families about sub-optimal experiences

[Taffy]

Nothing is pay for play...all that in a sub-1M population centre

Which is the way it should be, though these academies are funded through the selling of players. Develop 10 players sell them each for $250,000 and you have $2.5M to spend on your academy the following year.

Which is part of the issue, A-League clubs can't sell players to each other, which would help.

Along with the inability to sign youth (and I mean those playing in the Sydney Men's comp) to professional contracts, allowing to keep them and sell them off later.



But never the less, the Jets are a professional club's academy, and should be offering somewhat of a professional approach to how they discard kids, or attempt to develop them.

They also as a business that relies on fan engagement and affection need to think about the sour taste they leave in mouths from those interactions and how the community then interprets the same when they hear from friends and families about sub-optimal experiences

Couldn't agree more, a lot of bad tastes left in the mouths and while they will always be able to get players it does mean some don't bother or better players look to go to Mariners instead.

[WOW2.0]

Develop 10 players sell them each for $250,000 and you have $2.5M to spend on your academy the following year.

Exactly!

Interesting thing, just because I mentioned them before, FC Krasnodar just sold a player to PSG for 20M euros and a 5 year deal, a product of their academy since he was 16 (joined 2015)...

Matvey Safanov, and he's just made his club debut for PSG in a Champions League match against Girona

Can you imagine that, from a country now completely excluded from world football too. No internetional stage for him to have been showcased at like with Daniel Arzani.

Now sell 10 players like that and imagine how professional an academy could, and should be run!!!

[Imyourhero]

How long has the jets academy been running now?
I can think of jets youth teams being around for at least 10 years? So what percentage of participants have progressed from a jets academy, whether they completed a single year or multiple, to a professional contract of any kind?

How does this compare to other clubs around Australia?

"Professionalism" yeah great but if we've had 10 years now we need to ask more about efficacy.

[WOW2.0]

How long has the jets academy been running now?
I can think of jets youth teams being around for at least 10 years? So what percentage of participants have progressed from a jets academy, whether they completed a single year or multiple, to a professional contract of any kind?

How does this compare to other clubs around Australia?

"Professionalism" yeah great but if we've had 10 years now we need to ask more about efficacy.

Jets youth football was founded in 2008 (same as the club I've been citing (Jets as a club are 8 years older as well)

A key feature of "Professionalism" is efficiency though.

Not sure what percentage get to play professional football at any level...would be an interesting stat...I believe this year two 18 year olds were given "scholarship contracts"...whatever that really means

[ForeverRed]

Not many A league clubs the junior set up like we do so I suppose we have to be thankful for what we have

[TopCorner]

Not many A league clubs the junior set up like we do so I suppose we have to be thankful for what we have

That?s the way. It?s this sort of attitude that keeps the Socceroos chock full of NNSWF representatives 🙄

[furns]

Maybe some questions that could be asked on an AMA Im looking to get organised with Ken Schembri